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Good morning out there: Get ready, tomorrow, September 22, 2008, is the annual fall equinox. That’s the time when the Sun again crosses the equator. A little more definitive, the celestial equator coincides with the eliptic equator.
Technically, the daytime hours should be approximately equal to the nighttime hours. This is not exact for several reasons involving astronomical geometry.
Mr. Moon is not involved in this deal.
So in any case, wear your best equinox clothing tomorrow to honor the day.
What should one wear to an equinox?
Some food for thought: (well, maybe not for Kandi…)
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race
Child abuse, tax evasion and kiddy porn, it’s another file from the nutty fundy file.
Evangelist’s compound raided in child porn case
FOUKE, Arkansas (AP) — FBI agents and state police raided an evangelist’s headquarters Saturday as part of a child pornography investigation and said they planned to remove several children from the complex, run by a man previously accused of child abuse.
The raid at the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries south of Texarkana started an hour before sunset. Armed guards regularly patrol the ministry headquarters, but there was apparently no resistance as agents moved in.
More at:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/20/evangelist.child.porn.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Long ago I heard there was a monster around Fouke Ark, but it religious beliefs were not discussed.
Child sex crimes are non-denominational make no point in their claim to faith.
lvs24neek8
Posted September 21, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink
Some food for thought: (well, maybe not for Kandi…)
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The link is worth a read and discusses the racism that will in the end, sink the Obama campaign. This country isn’t ready for a black president. I fault the far left wing of the Democratic Party on this one. This election was theirs to win; they picked a candidate who’s unelectable.
Much as it disturbs me, I predict a McCain win in November.
Three in 10 of those Democrats who don’t trust Obama’s change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.
Doesn’t give you a lot of confidence in those electoral polls, does it Dems?
With McCain changing his opinion almost daily on the financial mess, one wonders just who this guy really is. I think over the week, he changed his opinion at least four times: Our economy’s sound; it’s not; fire the head of the SEC; fire Paulson. McCain’s a mess on the economy, and his rants pretty much show him for what he is: confused. He has been against banking and financial regulations his whole career. Now he’s suddenly for regulation. This is not a presidential picture he’s showing the public.
I have to admire Obama for taking the time to delve into the problem before making some sound bite to appease the voters. Maybe we can get him into the white house and finally have someone who actually thinks about problems prior to deciding a course of action, instead of someone who uses his “gut” reaction, as this administration does.
I’m afraid that McCain’s “gut” reaction would rule the roost as well. And that is not change.
Democrats Unite! A great Democrat name Wayne Cline is running for Pratt County Sheriff. He is an excellent man who will do the job right and help stop the cronyism that is rampant in the current neo-con controlled Pratt County Sheriff Department.
For more info contact Sue Peachy (620-672-3366) to help Wayne Cline.
I thought JWink would have beat me to it on this, but if you didnt read this editorial, you missed the best part of the paper today.
And notice.. she lives in Colorado. And now they have Randy too.
Our water in Kansas doesnt stand a chance.
But hey, we’re still safe from gay marriage….
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/536226.html
The far left of the democratic party gave obama the nomination?
heheheheheheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. HEE HEE HE HEEEEEEEE!
Uh, no. The Hillary haters and the centrists gave him the nomination. The “far left” whatever THAT is, supported Kucinich, and, according to the centrists, they supported Hillary more than obama.
First XXX blames women and Hillary supporters, then the “far left”.
Uh, when will the CANDIDATE take responsibility for not closing the deal? Why is it everyone’s fault but the obama folks? Could THAT be the real problem?
Buyers remorse. Get used to the idea… And dont let the resounding “I told you so’s” from the “far left” distract you.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/no-deal/
No deal
I hate to say this, but looking at the plan as leaked, I have to say no deal. Not unless Treasury explains, very clearly, why this is supposed to work, other than through having taxpayers pay premium prices for lousy assets.
As I posted earlier today, it seems all too likely that a “fair price” for mortgage-related assets will still leave much of the financial sector in trouble. And there’s nothing at all in the draft that says what happens next; although I do notice that there’s nothing in the plan requiring Treasury to pay a fair market price. So is the plan to pay premium prices to the most troubled institutions? Or is the hope that restoring liquidity will magically make the problem go away?
Here’s the thing: historically, financial system rescues have involved seizing the troubled institutions and guaranteeing their debts; only after that did the government try to repackage and sell their assets. The feds took over S&Ls first, protecting their depositors, then transferred their bad assets to the RTC. The Swedes took over troubled banks, again protecting their depositors, before transferring their assets to their equivalent institutions.
The Treasury plan, by contrast, looks like an attempt to restore confidence in the financial system — that is, convince creditors of troubled institutions that everything’s OK — simply by buying assets off these institutions. This will only work if the prices Treasury pays are much higher than current market prices; that, in turn, can only be true either if this is mainly a liquidity problem — which seems doubtful — or if Treasury is going to be paying a huge premium, in effect throwing taxpayers’ money at the financial world.
And there’s no quid pro quo here — nothing that gives taxpayers a stake in the upside, nothing that ensures that the money is used to stabilize the system rather than reward the undeserving.
I hope I’m wrong about this. But let me say it again: Treasury needs to explain why this is supposed to work — not try to panic Congress into giving it a blank check. Otherwise, no deal.
Obama is trying so hard to be all things to all people, he may end up being nothing to anyone. Perhaps, if he had not adopted all the repuke talking points, like ending the Iraq war, FISA, offshore drilling, financial bailouts, etc. he would have more support in his own party?
Or… obama supporters could just stick your head in the sand and look for a convenient “stabbed in the back” meme.
Mcsame solidified his republican base. Obama? Not so much. Maybe he shouldnt have tried so hard to be a great republican. ‘Cause ya know, when you are going for the DEMOCRATIC nomination, it’s a good idea to at least TRY to act like a, ya know, Democrat.
What happened to the firm belief that bleating “hope” and “change” endlessly would bring about world peace, widely shared prosperity, and a democrat in the white house?
I promised not to say “I told ya so” but damn, it’s pretty hard to resist.
I’m not gonna hold back on the first Wednesday in November.
Hee hee heeeeee….
And on a completely parochial note, the fun in WaKeeney and Trego County continues unabated. The smell of blood in the air must mean it’s election season in Trego.
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/tregosheriff091408
And they thought I was the problem? Heheheh. HAHAHAHAHHAHAH. HOHOHOHOHOHOHOH. HAHAHAHAHAH!
A shameless bit of self promotion here. Beginning this week, I’m going to be writing a couple of columns for the weekly newspaper here. Mostly editorials and observations on politics and local government. With some state and national stuff thrown in for seasoning.
Elected officials are already quaking at the thought :) Hell hath no fury, ya know?
Ah yes. Trego county. Where politics isnt just a contact sport, it’s a BLOOD sport! Hell, we might as well pick two big guys, chain ‘em together, give them each a dark ages hammer on a chain, and let them bludgeon each other in front of the grand stand at the county fair grounds.
Last person alive wins. Extra style points for carnage.
It would accomplish about as much, and be at least as entertaining as the underground warfare and bloodshed that currently passes for local politics in Trego county…
A little background info
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09192008/watch2.html
Hee hee hee. And while local citizens enjoy the show….
Hays and Russell are STILL stealing our water.
Is that by design? Or just happy coincidence for Hays? Gotta water that golf course, ya know?
I am disappointed to not be able to comment on the DA candidates story in todays paper. While I want females to be protected, I also feel that some overstated charges may be inadequately investigated and those allegations are used to influence conduct in other matters. Truth is not an adequate defense against false or overstated claims in this area.
Has anyone seen the comment my Heather Mallik a Canadian journalist calling Sarah Palin “white trash” ? She works for the ultra liberal Canadian Broadcasting Company
If it were a conservative journalist using those words what would the reaction be?
When people resort to name calling do any of you assume they have ran out of intellectual capacity?
BTW…Good Morning it’s just past 8AM here in California. Sunday, fresh coffee, blogging,fotball, and a NASCAR race. Isn’t America truly great!!! :)
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Terry_CA
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink
Has anyone seen the comment my Heather Mallik a Canadian journalist calling Sarah Palin “white trash” ? She works for the ultra liberal Canadian Broadcasting Company
If it were a conservative journalist using those words what would the reaction be?
When people resort to name calling do any of you assume they have ran out of intellectual capacity?
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You must mean like the McCain campaigns “lipstick on a pig” slam? Or McCain’s “Obama’s a Muslim” smear? Or the McCain campaigns sound bites designed solely to keep anything remotely related to the issues from being discussed? That lack of intelligence?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 21, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink
First XXX blames women and Hillary supporters, then the “far left”.
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KFG,
You only have one agenda.
How’s Cynthia doing in the polls?
KFG high fives to you woman, I hope you give em a dose of truth out there. Just be careful- ah- nevermind. Both barrels.
Heheheh. So, it’s CYNTHIA that obama needs to beat?
She’s doing as well as any third party candidate can do in the states where she’s on the ballot.
How’s obama doing with women? Who’d a thunk that this election would swing on the “womens vote”?
And isn’t it wonderful we are now going to bail out all the banks with “toxic” loans and mortgages. Notice nothing was said about the average American citizen who got lured into the loans by those same banks, whose only concern was making money. Just wonderful: business as usual on the beltway.
Terry_CA
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink
When people resort to name calling do any of you assume they have ran out of intellectual capacity?
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No. I assume they’re angry. Anger has nothing to do with “intellectual capacity.” Anger is just anger. If you’re arguing that anger reduces intellectual capacity, then I guess that might explain the the effect by anger on the “intellectual capacity” of Sarah Palin.
Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” The companies, as McClatchy reported, “aren’t taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/sarah_palin_fumbles_on_fannie.html
Like I said, anger is a normal human emotion. I just wish the GOP had picked a VPOTUS with more brains than anger this time.
Heheheh Pmom. There isnt much left they can do to me. And ya know, the most dangerous person in the world is one with nothing to lose. Just call me dangerous :)
A little refresher on the importance of the women’s vote.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080921/pl_mcclatchy/3050041
Let’s see how well governor “leadership” and Claire “I heart obama” Mccaskill do in convincing folks to vote for obama.
They better get on those horses and ride. The election will be here before they know it!
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink
Heheheh. So, it’s CYNTHIA that obama needs to beat?
She’s doing as well as any third party candidate can do in the states where she’s on the ballot.
How’s obama doing with women? Who’d a thunk that this election would swing on the “womens vote”?
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The real question is: How will Palin do? Will women see her for what she really is: a religious wacko, or will they vote for her because she’s a woman, sort of (just had to add that:-)).
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/lawsuit-filed-stop-aig-bailout-tax-wealthy-instead
A federal lawsuit filed late Thursday on behalf of US taxpayers attempts to put a halt to the AIG bailout. The petition, filed in a US District Court in Albany NY, asserts that the government does not have the authority to use public funds to save private industry.
The suit was filed by constitutional activist Robert Shultz. Shultz is the chairman of the US constitutional watchdog group We The People (WTP). In the lawsuit Shultz claims that the move to bailout corporate entities who have demonstrated gross fiscal mismanagement is unconstitutional.
The lawsuit asserts that the commitment of public funds and credit for the direct benefit of privately owned AIG is an ultra vires action by the United States Government and Federal Reserve, i.e., beyond the limited legal authority granted by the Constitution. The lawsuit asks for a “show cause” hearing demanding that the Government produce evidence of its legal authority to commit public funds for such a purpose, as well as emergency and permanent injunctions halting the bailout transaction.
Beyond the Constitutional deficiencies, the bailout establishes a dangerous precedent enabling the Fed and/or Government to nationalize virtually any business or property within the United States without legal authority or congressional approval.
The defendants include the Federal Reserve System, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanki, the U.S. Treasury, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson Jr. and the United States Government.
KFG — I got this from an email last evening…. Thought you might like it….
From an email >>>>
“Palin-guage! Do you speak it?
If you’re a minority and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “token hire.” If you’re a conservative and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “game changer.”
Black teen pregnancies? A “crisis” in black America.
White teen pregnancies? A “blessed event.”
If you grow up in Hawaii you’re “exotic.” Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you’re the quintessential “American story.”
Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you’re “unpatriotic.” Name your kid Track, you’re “colorful.”
If you’re a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you’re “reckless.” A Republican who doesn’t fully vet is a “maverick.”
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are “woefully inexperienced.”
If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.
If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an “arrogant celebrity”. If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are “energizing the base.”
If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are “presumptuous.”
If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from the hip” maverick.
If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are “an elitist-out of touch” with the real America.
if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.
If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an “empty suit”.
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an “experienced executive.”
If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are “extremist.”
If you believe in creationism and don’t believe global warming is man made, you are “strongly principled.”
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.
If you have been married to the same woman with whom you’ve been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you’re “risky.”
If you’re a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you’re an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
But if you’re a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you’re spunky.
If you’re a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you “First dog.”
If you’re a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you “beautiful” and “courageous.”
If you kill an endangered species, you’re an excellent hunter.
If you have an abortion your not a Christian, you’re a murderer (forget about if it happened while being date raped)
If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.”
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THIS is where we have evolved to in our political designations…. How SAD!!
Heh Walker, plenty is being said. Bush’s guy is “resisting aid” to households.
Government assistance to big business = good.
Government assistance to real people = bad.
only in republican con land…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown
Okay, I said I’d never do it. I said I’d rather set myself alight than do it.
But yesterday, I did it.
I saw “Tropic Thunder”, Ben Stiller’s latest comic creation, at the Warren 13th Theatre. And I laughed my aging tuckesse off.
This freakin’ flick is hilarious. It boasts a stellar, all-star cast that knocks one’s socks off. It has a cameo appearance by a virtually-unrecognizable Tom Cruise that makes “Risky Business” look like child’s play. Ya just kinda need to see it to believe it.
Jack Black, portraying a drug addict caught in unwitting jungle detox, had me convulsed with laughter. Nick Nolte, playing a manipulative so-called Vietnam vet, was real, real funny. Stiller himself was his usual mirthful self.
But good ol’ Jack took me away from this cold, cruel world – and that was a good thang. A real good thang.
Oh, and saving the best for last………..Robert Downey, Jr. – in his portrayal of an Aussie actor impersonating a black brutha, just stole the show. I am not kidding – this man is brilliant. Emerging from years of drug abuse and incarceration, the stunningly talented thespian just walks away with this movie. And that’s saying a lot.
It’s also saying this much: This movie made me forget Downey’s recent miasmic interview in Rolling Stone, in which he couched what could have been savvy insights and sage widsom in a maddening cloud of hazy hipsterese.
Okay, before any of you point any fingers at me – know this: I am still just as horrified and outraged as ever by those who make fun of the afflicted. In fact, I’ve dealt with a situation such as this in the workplace this year. If I had known the identity of the dudes in question, I’d have had their balls hanging from a tree. Involving the retarded for one’s own amusement is beyond contempt. And it breaks my heart.
But everyone needs to lighten up when it comes to “Tropic Thunder.” First of all, this is a movie – not a real-life situation. Secondly, no one is lying to a retarded young man and (falsely) telling him they’re going to “fix him up” with a co-worker. And, in so doing, playing upon the young man’s loneliness and vulnerabilities.
This s–t breaks my heart. And it always will.
This movie made me laugh my a$$ off. And it always will.
Lured them in JM Walker?
Are people no longer required to be smart enough to figure out if they can afford a loan?
As a matter of fact, I have never seen a bank out trying to “lure” people in.
It is usually the people who go to a bank and beg, plead, lie, or do whatever they can to get a loan. Even when they know that loan is too much for them.
But yes, lets put ALL the blame on those mean banks.
*EYE ROLL*
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 21, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
I promised not to say “I told ya so” but damn, it’s pretty hard to resist.
I’m not gonna hold back on the first Wednesday in November.
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And that would make you mean spirited and hateful, wouldn’t it?
IF Obama loses, it will be because he and his supporters have no fire in the belly.
There is hate out here and anger, but Obama won’t use them.
My own brother is a perfect example of the type. His neighbors are LOUD and PROUD cons. And he is FRIENDLY with them! Ya don’t win by being nice to the enemy.
Obama’s recent encouragement for his supporters to get in the face of others IS a good sign. But it’s only a start. He needs to get a whole lot meaner.
The use of the term “white trash” is inexcusable no matter what ones state of mind is. Angry bursts show so much about a person’s character. Luck of judgement, lack of self-control, lack of respect for differing opinions. There is always room for honest, respectful discourse. There is no room for slander.
BlueJay,
How exactly is being mean to your neighbors going to help win the election for Obama?
Idiot.
Looks like McCain’s people are afraid Sarah will get b**ch slapped during the debate if they don’t get their way, which they did. Which makes me wonder what they would do if McCain gets elected, croaks, and Sarah takes over:
I’m sorry, Putin, but our president is not too well conversed in foreign politics, so could you use words of less than two syllables when communicating with her over the red phone? Or maybe use the international flag system for communication? She can see Russia from her front door. We have an interpreter standing by.
The following from the NY times. And she’s running for VP?
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At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.
McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/politics/21debate.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=us&adxnnlx=1222011312-4XO6l1Z/XGK1LnZTcjUTiA
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Terry_CA
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
The use of the term “white trash” is inexcusable no matter what ones state of mind is. Angry bursts show so much about a person’s character. Luck of judgement, lack of self-control, lack of respect for differing opinions. There is always room for honest, respectful discourse. There is no room for slander.
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You must mean like the McCain campaigns “lipstick on a pig” slam? Or McCain’s “Obama’s a Muslim” smear? Or the McCain campaigns sound bites designed solely to keep anything remotely related to the issues from being discussed? That kind of slander?
“And that would make you mean spirited and hateful, wouldn’t it?”
No. It would make me accurate. But thanks for playing…
Terry_CA
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
The use of the term “white trash” is inexcusable no matter what ones state of mind is. Angry bursts show so much about a person’s character. Luck of judgement, lack of self-control, lack of respect for differing opinions. There is always room for honest, respectful discourse. There is no room for slander.
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Agreed.
But that’s a significant departure from where you wanted to go above. Now you’re correctly assigning error to one person, a Canadian reporter. Above you tried to assign it to every American who’s not a Palin supporter.
But I agree: calling Palin “white trash” clearly allows the reader to infer bad things about the Canadian reporter’s character.
Blue
Why would a person stop being friendly to someone for having a different opinion? Politics isn’t the end all be all of life. I will be voting for McCain but if Obama wins he will be my President deserving of respect for my fellow citizens who elect him.
There are some people ya just decide are not worth dealing with Nathan.
Like you for instance.
Rich brat.
Oh, and under the republican bail out plan, the welfare and relief act for bankers, FOREIGN banks would get our bailout money too!
So much for protecting the “homeland”..
Foreign aid for poor people = bad
Foreign aid for rich bankers = good.
That’s what ya get when you put CONS in charge!
Sorry, forgot the link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080921/pl_politico/13690
Cons don’t care about country, their latest shill line “country first!” is a lie. They also do not care about people.
Their only loyalty is to money and power.
BlueJay,
I am far from rich. If you could stop being such a small envious, jealous, and bitter person you would see that.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
The polls I’ve seen show the Moose-Dresser tanking among all demographics, including middle-age and older white women.
Even older white males are wavering on the prospect of a “Palin-McCain” administration.
A lot of things can change, but I see signs this isn’t quite the neck-and-neck horse race that’s being pimped by the news bunnies. Obama is pulling away in Michigan, supposedly a toss-up state. I saw a report where even West Virginia (where people proudly came on TV after the primary and said they couldn’t vote for an African American) has slipped from “Solid” to “Leans” Red. West Virginia.
Add that the land line/cell phone conundrum. Yes, people who haven’t voted “in the last two elections” are not considered “likely to vote,” so 18-32 demographics are likely under-reported. And yes, young voters have been historically under-represented at the polls on election day.
But a huge number of that demographic don’t bother with a land line; their cell is their only phone and pollsters can’t robo-call cell phones. And Obama has an incredibly impressive ground game of organizers and volunteers on college campuses.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) attracted 400 or so people at some campaign appearances last week. When the Moose-Dresser is there, the average turnout was 4,000. And after she spoke, the crowd started to file out while McCoot was speaking.
The Codger had what? Five different and divergent
“principled” positions on the economic crisis in the course of 48 hours? Even CONs are becoming diffident about McSame.
The other good news, from polls I’ve seen, is the California gay marriage ban is tanking big time.
More and more I’m seeing that most Americans are instinctively feeling what Harry Truman said in 1948:
“How many times to you have to be hit in the head before you notice who’s hitting you?”
I am confused though…
I thought “tolerance” was a large mantra of the lefts?
How is it very tolerant to be mean to your neighbors or others who disagree with you?
Is there any outrage for Obama taking nearly $200,000 from Freddie and Fanny in less than 4 years while McCain took less than $20,000 over his 20 years?
MonkeyHawk, have you got a link to Prop 8 tanking in CA? Just wondering, because I havent seen it. Seems the Mormans and Catholics are POURING money into the campaign, big time, and the “no” folks are being outspent about ten to one.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink
“And that would make you mean spirited and hateful, wouldn’t it?”
No. It would make me accurate. But thanks for playing…
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Sorry but that doesn’t cut it. “Ha,ha,ha I told you so” serves no purpose but to cause pain and humiliation.
As I said, hateful and mean spirited.
Senile and Moose-dresser…Ageism and sexism. My point is proven
Look who has not been supporting our veterans:
Plenty of “shallow” talk going around.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559
How will the rest of the U.S. economy be affected if the republicans social security privatization plan is enacted?
Put simply, moving to a system of private accounts would not only put retirement income at risk–it would likely put the entire economy at risk.
The current Social Security system generates powerful, economy-stimulating multiplier effects. This was part of its original intent. In the early 1930s, the vast majority of the elderly were poor. While they were working, they could not afford to both save for retirement and put food on the table, and most had no employer pension. When Social Security began, elders spent every penny of that income. In turn, each dollar they spent was spent again by the people and businesses from whom they had bought things. In much the same way, every dollar that goes out in pensions today creates about 2.5 times as much total income. If the move to private accounts reduces elders’ spending levels, as almost all analysts predict, that reduction in spending will have an even larger impact on slowing economic growth.
The current Social Security system also reduces the income disparity between the rich and the poor. Private accounts would increase inequality–and increased inequality hinders economic growth. For example, a 1994 World Bank study of 25 countries demonstrated that as income inequality rises, productivity growth is reduced. Market economies can fall apart completely if the level of inequality becomes too extreme. The rapid increase in income inequality that occurred in the 1920s was one of the causes of the Great Depression.
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0505orr.html
“WASHINGTON (AP) – Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks—many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93AIV882&show_article=1
And I thought it was the white Republicans who were all racists….
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Terry_CA
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink
Senile and Moose-dresser…Ageism and sexism. My point is proven
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Hardly. How is “moose-dresser” sexist?
Senile is more like a fact than being ageist. McCain thinks Spain is in Latin America. He forgets from day to day what his stand on the issues are.
KFG,
With cons in charge?
Last time I checked, your party was in control of both the House and Senate.
Seems like they have been more concerned with taking all the breaks they can rather than face these issues.
“Terry_CA” –
“Senile” might not be politically correct, but one of the symptoms of Alzheimer’s Disease and other dementias is loss of short-term memory. Apparently McCain forgot what he said about the Wall Street melt-down hours apart.
That’s not ageism; that’s reporting what happened.
And the Republic Party convention speakers made a big deal about “dressing a moose.” Was Fred Thompson sexist? What’s sexist about dressing a moose? That, apparently, is one of her credentials to be chosen by the Republic Party as the second-best person on the planet to lead the Free World.
Your point isn’t “proven.” Your point is pointless.
XXX,
And Obama thinks there are 57 states….
Is he Senile or just stupid?
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
Lured them in JM Walker?
Are people no longer required to be smart enough to figure out if they can afford a loan?
As a matter of fact, I have never seen a bank out trying to “lure” people in.
It is usually the people who go to a bank and beg, plead, lie, or do whatever they can to get a loan. Even when they know that loan is too much for them.
But yes, lets put ALL the blame on those mean banks.
*EYE ROLL*
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Evidently, you haven’t been keeping up with the times. It is pretty much a given, by both Republican and Democrats, the banks, financial institutions and Mortgage lenders carry much of the blame for this mess.
I’ve said it once, if not a bunch of times, when you loan money to people with 615 credit ratings, when you loan money to people without checking jobs, income or references, you are asking for trouble. And trouble is what they are in today, and we, the taxpayers, are getting stuck with the bill.
This bailout will raise the debt from 10 trillion to over 11 trillion. This nations total output is around 16 trillion per year. The debt amounts to over 68% of the national output. The value of the both over the counter (unregulated) and listed (regulated) derivatives is over 1.4 quadrillion dollars. Total output of the WORLD is only around 63 trillion. When those derivatives lose value, and they are, the world suffers, not just the average American. This is a world problem now, and it will get much worse before it gets better.
Nathan, I think you need to get a bit of financial education (Specifically derivatives) prior to *EYE ROLLING*. It might open your eyes to just how bad the problem is, and just how bipartisan the blame is.
Nathanial
Along with us Rebublicans being raciest you forgot Neanderthal homophobe and Nazi
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink
XXX,
And Obama thinks there are 57 states….
Is he Senile or just stupid?
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It’s called a gaff, Nathan.
How about McCain’s statement the economy is fine shape? Is he senile or stupid?
It’s called politics, and in this election, making sound bites concerning over what amounts to nothing, only detracts from discussing the serious issues.
I’ll wait for the debates to judge who actually knows what they are talking about concerning this countries future.
Oh, and Nathan, racism knows no party: racists are all idiots, and shouldn’t be allowed to breed.
JM Walker,
My point is that the banks are not the only ones to blame.
There are several involved here. The idiots who try to get a loan thinking they can afford it when they can’t.
The idiots who forced banks to give loans to people with worse credit who normally wouldn’t have.
The idiots at the banks who took on far too much debt from the idiots who thought they could afford to pay it back.
Yet the only ones you people focus the blame on is the banks.
Especially with your twisted language of “luring” people in.
You act like people are just out minding their own business until some bank came along and tricked them into buying a home they couldn’t afford.
XXX,
I see! When McCain makes a gaff it is because he is Senile and when Obama does it… well… it was just a gaff.
What complete load of biased BS.
Time to go and check out the football gaames on TV. I enjoyed the conversation today. Thank you all very much
XXX,
You are right, this is a sound bite driven media and people like you lap it right up.
And instead of looking at it for what it is, you take up the perfect biased mantra of when McCain does it he is Senile and dumb. When Obama does it he is just making a gaff.
Try actually believing the things you say.
“Nathaniel” –
There were 57 Democratic Party primaries and caucuses.
You know that.
And for the purpose of getting the nomination, Guam and Puerto Rico and the American Virgin Islands and a bunch of other islands in the Pacific were considered “states” from an organizational point of view.
If that’s your best shot, you shouldn’t be allowed to carry a weapon.
JM Walker,
Of course racism isn’t bound to a particular party.
But if we were to believe half of the crap the liberals say about only Republicans being the party of racism that wouldn’t be the case now would it?
“ksfarmgrrl” –
The Prop. 8 polling I cited was from last Thursday’s Field Poll.
And, yeah, the Mormons are bragging that they have contributed 35% of the funds behind the Prop. 8 campaign. That money is overwhelmingly from out-of-state donors, (COUGH!
Utah) and the anti-8 people are pivoting that into an issue.Nothing is a slam-dunk, of course.
And I certainly don’t believe “As goes California, so goes Trego County.”
But I’m thinking there’s real progress, albeit slow, on this issue.
It’s so 2004.
Kansas tornadoes kill 10,000 people…
“Thank you Sioux City” while standing in Sioux Falls…
Saying his parents got together after the Bloody Sunday march in Selma when in fact it had happened 4 years after he was born…
Saying that we have a lack of translators in Afghanistan because they are all in Iraq… when the predominant languages in both countries are different.
Was ignorant about the Hanford Nuclear waste clean up….
Saying one day that tiny countries like Iran pose no threat to us and the next saying that Iran poses a grave threat…
The compeltely made up Life Magazine article that doesn’t exist, yet Obama claimed in his book, to have been his racial awakening…
Oh yes, but when Obama does it they are just “gaffes”
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink
XXX,
You are right, this is a sound bite driven media and people like you lap it right up.
And instead of looking at it for what it is, you take up the perfect biased mantra of when McCain does it he is Senile and dumb. When Obama does it he is just making a gaff.
Try actually believing the things you say.
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Actually, Nathan, that was me posting that. And I was making a point, not accusing McCain of senility. Just showing both sides are making stupid statements and avoiding serious discussions.
Try looking at all the campaign bs with a jaundiced eye.
Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
Kansas tornadoes kill 10,000 people…
“Thank you Sioux City” while standing in Sioux Falls…
Saying his parents got together after the Bloody Sunday march in Selma when in fact it had happened 4 years after he was born…
Saying that we have a lack of translators in Afghanistan because they are all in Iraq… when the predominant languages in both countries are different.
Was ignorant about the Hanford Nuclear waste clean up….
Saying one day that tiny countries like Iran pose no threat to us and the next saying that Iran poses a grave threat…
The compeltely made up Life Magazine article that doesn’t exist, yet Obama claimed in his book, to have been his racial awakening…
Oh yes, but when Obama does it they are just “gaffes
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Nathan that’s all fluff, and no substance.
McCain’s whole Senate life has revolved around deregulation. All of a sudden, he’s for it. I would say that calls for way more serious discussion, over campaign bs. But when all the news agencies want to talk about is campaign bs, serious discussion takes a back seat. I’ll wait for the debates.
Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink
You are right, this is a sound bite driven media and people like you lap it right up.
And instead of looking at it for what it is, you take up the perfect biased mantra of when McCain does it he is Senile and dumb. When Obama does it he is just making a gaff.
Try actually believing the things you say.
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Let’s try this on the other foot, ok Nathan?
The GOP has argued for years that government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem. The vast majority of today’s McCain supporters would agree, in fact, that Reagan’s disparaging comment “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” is just about the last word when it comes to big government.
But Friday the Bush administration came to Congress with a $700 billion, with a B appropriations request to fund the Treasury’s entry into the securities market.
Like you said, try actually believing the things you say.
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink
JM Walker,
My point is that the banks are not the only ones to blame.
There are several involved here. The idiots who try to get a loan thinking they can afford it when they can’t.
The idiots who forced banks to give loans to people with worse credit who normally wouldn’t have.
The idiots at the banks who took on far too much debt from the idiots who thought they could afford to pay it back.
Yet the only ones you people focus the blame on is the banks.
Especially with your twisted language of “luring” people in.
You act like people are just out minding their own business until some bank came along and tricked them into buying a home they couldn’t afford.
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Not even close: Of course there were people out there playing the game who couldn’t afford it. But do you think for one minute there were enough of them to have caused this mess? The big three cut their work force in half; 25,000 out of jobs. Unemployment is over 6%, many losing jobs to overseas. Businesses fail and people lose jobs.
The financial institutions saw easy money, played the game, and lost. And we, the taxpayers, are bailing them out. That doesn’t tick you off?
When it comes to real trouble, Nathan, the government is the helper of LAST resort.
Today’s GOP most definitely believes that government isn’t only there to help, it’s the ONLY helper when things get tough.
Yall’d get a lot more respect from thinking Americans if you’d lose that old Reagan canard, and just admit that there’s a helluva lot of value to the USA as a whole in making the government work right.
When the rubber hit the road, George W Bush and the GOP blinked.
JM Walker,
No, it does annoy me though. What ticks me off is when people like you and the other liberals try to turn it into a partisan blame game saying it is all the GOP’s fault or the banks fault.
JM Walker,
How had McCain’s entire political life revolved around deregulation and now how is he for it?
Please explain.
It’s too bad all the arm flailing being done by duh Libs on this blog.
Everyone of their puny Kansas votes will be canceled out by the moderate/conservative votes and Kansas electoral votes will go to McCain.
And, that just ticks them off. :D
sec 8 appears to be unconstitutional
September 20, 2008, 1:05 pm
Treasury’s Financial-Bailout Proposal to Congress
The following is the legislative proposal from Treasury Department for authority to buy mortgage-related assets:
Section 1. Short Title.
This Act may be cited as ____________________.
Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.
(a) Authority to Purchase.–The Secretary is authorized to purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.
(b) Necessary Actions.–The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation:
(1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out the authorities in this Act and defining their duties;
(2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, without regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts;
(3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them;
(4) establishing vehicles that are authorized, subject to supervision by the Secretary, to purchase mortgage-related assets and issue obligations; and
(5) issuing such regulations and other guidance as may be necessary or appropriate to define terms or carry out the authorities of this Act.
Sec. 3. Considerations.
In exercising the authorities granted in this Act, the Secretary shall take into consideration means for–
(1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the financial markets or banking system; and
(2) protecting the taxpayer.
Sec. 4. Reports to Congress.
Within three months of the first exercise of the authority granted in section 2(a), and semiannually thereafter, the Secretary shall report to the Committees on the Budget, Financial Services, and Ways and Means of the House of Representatives and the Committees on the Budget, Finance, and Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate with respect to the authorities exercised under this Act and the considerations required by section 3.
Sec. 5. Rights; Management; Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.
(a) Exercise of Rights.–The Secretary may, at any time, exercise any rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act.
(b) Management of Mortgage-Related Assets.–The Secretary shall have authority to manage mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act, including revenues and portfolio risks therefrom.
(c) Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.–The Secretary may, at any time, upon terms and conditions and at prices determined by the Secretary, sell, or enter into securities loans, repurchase transactions or other financial transactions in regard to, any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act.
(d) Application of Sunset to Mortgage-Related Assets.–The authority of the Secretary to hold any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act before the termination date in section 9, or to purchase or fund the purchase of a mortgage-related asset under a commitment entered into before the termination date in section 9, is not subject to the provisions of section 9.
Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.
The Secretary’s authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time
Sec. 7. Funding.
For the purpose of the authorities granted in this Act, and for the costs of administering those authorities, the Secretary may use the proceeds of the sale of any securities issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, and the purposes for which securities may be issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, are extended to include actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses. Any funds expended for actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses, shall be deemed appropriated at the time of such expenditure.
Sec. 8. Review.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.
Sec. 9. Termination of Authority.
The authorities under this Act, with the exception of authorities granted in sections 2(b)(5), 5 and 7, shall terminate two years from the date of enactment of this Act.
Sec. 10. Increase in Statutory Limit on the Public Debt.
Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $11,315,000,000,000.
Sec. 11. Credit Reform.
The costs of purchases of mortgage-related assets made under section 2(a) of this Act shall be determined as provided under the Federal Credit Reform Act of 1990, as applicable.
Sec. 12. Definitions.
For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall apply:
(1) Mortgage-Related Assets.–The term “mortgage-related assets” means residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.
(2) Secretary.–The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of the Treasury.
(3) United States.–The term “United States” means the States, territories, and possessions of the United States and the District of Columbia.
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink
XXX,
I see! When McCain makes a gaff it is because he is Senile and when Obama does it… well… it was just a gaff.
What complete load of biased BS.
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Nathan, you attributed a couple of posts to me that were by Walker.
Are you senile, stupid, or was that just a gaffe?
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XXX
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink
XXX,
I see! When McCain makes a gaff it is because he is Senile and when Obama does it… well… it was just a gaff.
What complete load of biased BS.
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Nathan, you attributed a couple of posts to me that were by Walker.
Are you senile, stupid, or was that just a gaffe?
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You both smell alike, sort of like rotten fish covered with raw sewage. :D
XXX,
I actually mistook only one post made by JM Walker for being yours and responded to it twice.
Are you stupid, senile, or was that just a gaffe?
If you ever watched those countrywide commercials and other mortgage financing ads then you know indeed unwary borrowers were being sucked in. Didn’t they also change the acceptable ratio of mortgage payment/income to qualify more borrowers for houses they couldn’t afford.
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
JM Walker,
No, it does annoy me though. What ticks me off is when people like you and the other liberals try to turn it into a partisan blame game saying it is all the GOP’s fault or the banks fault.
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I have not stated anywhere it is the fault of Republicans, but have said it was a bipartisan effort that allowed this mess to take place. So please refrain from accusing someone of something they never said.
And it doesn’t tick you off that what our government is doing amounts to communism/socialism, which is the government taking over the private sector at taxpayer expense? Simply amazing.
You’re really out of touch today.
Why is it anymore acceptable to bailout the predators rather than the victims? Wouldn’t the end effect be the same?
It’s like when you want to stimulate the economy, you can give massive tax cuts to the wealthy and get some stimulation, or you can give tax cuts to the vast majority of Americans and get the stimulation.
JMWalker
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
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Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
JM Walker,
No, it does annoy me though. What ticks me off is when people like you and the other liberals try to turn it into a partisan blame game saying it is all the GOP’s fault or the banks fault.
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I have not stated anywhere it is the fault of Republicans, but have said it was a bipartisan effort that allowed this mess to take place. So please refrain from accusing someone of something they never said.
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I call B.S.
Duh Libs have been blaming Bush since the news came out.
If foreign owned institutions are going to be included in the bailout, there should be an amount charged to their home countries to pay for it.
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
You both smell alike, sort of like rotten fish covered with raw sewage. :D
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Another brilliant statement, adding nothing to th3e discussion, by the blog a**h**e:-D
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink
I call B.S.
Duh Libs have been blaming Bush since the news came out.
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I call B.S.
Please show me where I blame the Republicans or Bush for this mess.
Dems have been screaming for more CEO’s regulation on compensation for ages, but Repubs. have defended their outlandish payment schemes for the same amount of time. Even now Paulson’s putting that on the ‘to do’ list at a later time (never), so he can get the money through.
Much is made of McCain’s age. Has anyone considered the fact that Obama smokes and both of his parents died at an early age?
Plus Biden has had two brain aneurysms which could have killed him.
If they both died while in office that would leave Nancy Pelosi as president. OMIGOD!
There is another excellent reason to vote for McCain & Palin.
Maybe they should just halt trading on financial institutions until a good plan can be worked out, or let the companies decide it they want their stock traded in the interim, since many have already been battered.
Bush deliberately appointed and hired anti-regulations true-believers, often from the very industry they were charged with overseeing”
It was like putting a child-molester in charge of a day-care center. What do you expect to happen? Or id you prefer. the fox was sent to guard the hen-house.
I think one can pin this on Bush without any trouble at all.
These markets were supposed to be supervised, observed, reigned in when necessary. That is not the Republican theory of “let the markets regulate themselves.”
Can you now see the emptiness and danger of this radical and foolish philosophy? We are on a dangerous financial precipice.
But, heavens, don’t blame Bush! You’ll upset one of his true-believers who voted for him twice with such great hope.
Now the truth of Republican Bush’s disastrous administration cannot be denied.
We are not safer.
Boxlock
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink
Much is made of McCain’s age. Has anyone considered the fact that Obama smokes and both of his parents died at an early age?
Plus Biden has had two brain aneurysms which could have killed him.
If they both died while in office that would leave Nancy Pelosi as president. OMIGOD!
There is another excellent reason to vote for McCain & Palin.
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If Obama’s and Biden’s health are subject to speculation, then so is McCain’s. After all, he’s old as dirt, he’s obviously having some issues with his cognitive function already, and he spent more than 5 years in a POW camp. His health is by far the worst of the bunch.
Which by your line of reasoning would result in Palin as POTUS.
And THAT just means a third Bush term.
When it comes to governing styles (ie, governing by gut instinct),
Sarah Palin = George W Bush
Are you happy with the overall direction of the USA under the leadership of George W Bush? If so, then you’ll LOVE Sarah Palin!
LOL, if yer worried about Obama’s possible life-span, you need to get the shovel out for McCain…
Mccain shouldn’t even be buying green bananas!
Only “Nathaniel” could ask –
“How had McCain’s entire political life revolved around deregulation and now how is he for it?”
Perhaps, boy, you should look into your favored candidate beyond the “R” behind his name.
Your frequent feigned ignorance on issues you claim to advocate isn’t senile, or stupid, or a gaffe; you simply reveal ignorance.
You ignore the facts of the matter, don’t bother to look them up, and come up with naive whimperings such as above.
In .21 seconds a “McCain regulation” search on “the” Google revealed 3,400,000 sites about the issue at hand.
Here’s one of them:
http://tinyurl.com/6msbxe
That leaves only 3,399,999 others to ignore. You know. Your comfort zone.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/why-you-should-hate-treasury-bailout.html
Sunday, September 21, 2008
Why You Should Hate the Treasury Bailout Proposal
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A mere two weeks ago, the Fannie/Freddie rescue was called “the mother of all bailouts” by some commentators. If the plans of the Administration come to fruition, it will shortly be surpassed by the $700 billion mortgage rescue plan proposed by Hank Paulson late last week.
The increase of the request from the initial $500 billion and the release of the shockingly short, sweeping text of the proposed legislation has lead to reactions of consternation among the knowledgeable, but whether this translates into enough popular ire fast enough to restrain this freight train remains to be seen.
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First, let’s focus on the aspect that should get the proposal dinged (or renegotiated) regardless of any possible merit, namely, that it gives the Treasury imperial power with respect to a simply huge amount of funds. $700 billion is comparable to the hard cost of the Iraq war, bigger than the annual Pentagon budget. And mind you, $700 billion is not the maximum that the Treasury may spend, it’s the ceiling on the outstandings at any one time. It’s a balance sheet number, not an expenditure limit.
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But here is the truly offensive section of an overreaching piece of legislation:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.
This puts the Treasury’s actions beyond the rule of law. This is a financial coup d’etat, with the only limitation the $700 billion balance sheet figure. The measure already gives the Treasury the authority not simply to buy dud mortgage paper but other assets as it deems fit. There is no accountability beyond a report (contents undefined) to Congress three months into the program and semiannually thereafter. The Treasury could via incompetence or venality grossly overpay for assets and advisory services, and fail to exclude consultants with conflicts of interest, and there would be no recourse. Given the truly appalling track record of this Administration in its outsourcing, this is not an idle worry.
But far worse is the precedent it sets. This Administration has worked hard to escape any constraints on its actions, not to pursue noble causes, but to curtail civil liberties: Guantanamo, rendition, torture, warrantless wiretaps. It has used the threat of unseen terrorists and a seemingly perpetual war on radical Muslim to justify gutting the Constitution. The Supreme Court, which has been supine on many fronts, has finally started to push back, but would it challenge a bill that sweeps aside judicial review? Informed readers are encouraged to speak up.
Nouriel Roubini does not think it passes the smell test:
`He’s asking for a huge amount of power,” said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University. “He’s saying, `Trust me, I’m going to do it right if you give me absolute control.’ This is not a monarchy.”
It would be best if this provision were expunged, but failing that, the Treasury should articulate what scenario it is worried about and any shield against legal intervention should be made as narrow as possible.
Now to the substance. The Treasury has been using the formula that it will buy assets at “fair market prices”. As we have noted, there is simply huge amounts of cash ready to bottom fish in housing-related assets (we saw an estimate of $400 billion a couple of months ago). The issue is not lack of willing buyers; it’s that the prospective sellers are not willing to accept prices that reflect the weak and deteriorating prospects for housing. Meredith Whitney, the Oppenheimer bank analyst who has made the most accurate earnings and writedown calls of her peer group, has noted how the housing market price decline assumptions used by major banks fall short of where the market is likely to bottom, given traditional price to income ratios and expectations reflected in housing futures prices.
In addition to the factors that Whitney (and others) have cited, the duration of the 1988-1992 US housing bear market and major financial crises suggests that that a peak-to-trough decline of 35-40% is realistic (obviously, this average masks substantial variation across markets and housing types). We are thus only a bit more than halfway through, as measured by the fall in prices.
Yet as we discussed, the plan makes no sense unless the Orwellian “fair market prices” means “above market prices.” The point is not to free up illiquid assets. Illiquid assets (private equity, even the now derided CDOs were never intended to be traded, but pose no problem if they do not need to be marked at a large loss and/or the institution is not at risk of a run). Confirmation of our view came from a reader by e-mail:
I worked at [Wall Street firm you've heard of], but now I handle financial services for [a Congressman], and I was on the conference call that Paulson, Bernanke and the House Democratic Leadership held for all the members yesterday afternoon. It’s supposed to be members only, but there’s no way to enforce that if it’s a conference call, and you may have already heard from other staff who were listening in.
Anyway, I wanted to let you know that, behind closed doors, Paulson describes the plan differently. He explicitly says that it will buy assets at above market prices (although he still claims that they are undervalued) because the holders won’t sell at market prices. Anna Eshoo pressed him on how the government can compel the holders to sell, and he basically dodged the question. I think that’s because he didn’t want to admit that the government would just keep offering more and more.
I don’t think that our leadership has been very good during this negotiation (or really, during any showdowns with this administration) at forcing the administration to own their position. If Paulson wants this plan, then he needs to sell it to the public, and if he sells a different plan to the public (the nonsense buying-at-market-price plan) then we should pass that. I’d rather see the government act as a market maker for the assets to get them transferred over to private equity firms and sovereign wealth funds and other willing holders. And if we need to recapitalize these companies, it seems like the cheapest way for the taxpayer is to go in and buy up the distressed debt and then convert that to equity.
So unlike the Resolution Trust Corporation, which took on dodgy assets which had fallen into the FDIC’s lap due to the failure of thrifts, and the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation, which was established in 1934 after the housing market had bottomed, this program is going to swing into action with the clear but not honestly disclosed intent of buying assets at above market prices when future markets and the analysts with the best track records on forecasting this decline (you can add Robert Shiller, CR at Calculated Risk, and Nouriel Roubini to the list) believe it has considerably further to fall.
“Boxlock” tries –
“… both of [Obama's] parents died at an early age…”
Obama’s father died in a car wreck.
I love the smell of CON abject desperation on a Sunday.
Up front: in my opinion, the most toxic, ruinously caustic — eggheaded to the point of total separation from reality — political movement in modern American history was that of the Neoconservatives.
RIP you dumb bastards.
That said, here’s some always-interesting commentary from one of the two Neocon apologists who I ever found made any sense, Niall Ferguson of the UK (the other was Victor David Hanson, fwiw):
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We are living through the end of a phenomenon that Moritz Schularick of Berlin’s Free University and I christened “Chimerica.” In this view, the most important thing to understand about the world economy over the past 10 years has been the relationship between China and America. If you think of it as one economy called Chimerica, that relationship accounts for around 13 percent of the world’s land surface, a quarter of its population, about a third of its gross domestic product and somewhere more than half of global economic growth in the past six years.
For a time, this symbiotic relationship seemed almost perfect: One half did the saving, and the other half did the spending. Comparing net national savings as a proportion of gross national income, U.S. savings declined from more than 5 percent in the mid-1990s to virtually zero by 2005, while Chinese savings surged from less than 30 percent to nearly 45 percent in the same time frame. This divergence in savings allowed a tremendous explosion of debt in the United States, because the Asian “savings glut” made it much cheaper for households to borrow money. Meanwhile, cheap Chinese labor helped hold down inflation.
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In essence, the rest of the world’s savings had helped inflate a real estate bubble in the United States. Easy money was (as is nearly always the case in asset bubbles) accompanied by lax lending standards and downright fraud. Euphoria eventually gave way to distress and then to panic. The trouble began in the subprime market because it was there that defaults were most likely to happen. But it soon became clear that the entire U.S. property market was going to be affected. Not since the Great Depression have we seen house prices declining at annual rates of more than 10 percent.
This has had three distinct consequences. First, it has exposed the weaker banks (particularly the investment banks, which cannot fall back on the cushion of savers’ deposits) to savage and self-perpetuating share-price declines. Second, the failure of financial firms has triggered a further crisis in the vast but opaque market for derivatives — especially credit-default swaps. Third and most important, the contraction of bank balance sheets almost certainly condemns the rest of the U.S. economy to a recession. Main Street is only now beginning to feel the pain that will be caused by Wall Street’s credit crunch.
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The days when the dollar was the sole international reserve currency may also be coming to an end. Reserve currencies do not last forever, as the British pound makes clear. Once upon a time, sterling was the world’s No. 1 currency, the unit of account in which most financial transactions were done. It died a long, lingering death, sliding from $4.86 in 1930 to very near par with the dollar at the pound’s nadir in the early 1980s. The principal reason were the huge debts that Britain had run up to fight the world wars. The second reason was slower growth: Britain’s economy was the underperformer of the developed world in the postwar decades, right down to the early 1980s.
If the main fiscal consequence of the credit crunch is a huge increase in the liabilities of the federal government — already substantially increased by the nationalization of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — the United States could find itself in a similar situation. The dollar could follow the pound into the category of former reserve currencies. And the United States would lose the convenient facility of being able to borrow from foreigners at low interest rates in its own currency.
–Niall Ferguson, Conservative historian
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091902804.html?sid=ST2008091903570&s_pos=
Doesnt anyone have any comment or opinion on the front page DA candidate story?
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 21, 2008 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
“Boxlock” tries –
“… both of [Obama's] parents died at an early age…”
Obama’s father died in a car wreck.
I love the smell of CON abject desperation on a Sunday.
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Ummmm not to mention that much was made of Obama’s “quitting” smoking back fairly early in the Primary campaigns…. His wife made a comment about it, at a spur of the moment press conference, after one of the early debates….
ALSO…. which “parents” of Obama’s allegedly marched in Selma??? His mother and his BLOOD father…. or His mother and his step-father???
And, ummmm, I honestly dont know….
“At his wife’s suggestion, he quit smoking before his campaign to win the Democratic nomination began.”
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1682433/bio
One less stupid rumor that needs to be smeared…. LOL
There are many others…
‘In the Kenyan town where his father was born, the long-brewed “Senator” brand of beer has been nicknamed “Obama.”‘
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1682433/bio
“His paternal relatives still live in Kenya.”
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1682433/bio
For those who want to check out all of the Anti-Obama SMEAR BS, check here >>>>
http://www.truthfightsback.com
Something has got to stop the mindless, worthless, and stupid smear tactics…
“Palin-guage! Do you speak it?”
1.5 MILLION acres is just a “little 2,000 acre plot of land”.
http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html
If your state produces 3.5 percent of the U.S. domestic energy production, then claim that it “produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy”.
And claim that gives you credentials re “energy independence”.
‘Energetically Wrong’
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html
Today’s article on the trio that’s driving the bailout, says Paulson came from J.P. Morgan (or was it morgan stanley) and went into govt. to prepare for the coming crisis. Why didn’t he sound the alert and take actions to correct it then? Since he selectively wants to chose who fails and who gets bailed out (Lehman=fail AIG=bailout) maybe his motives aren’t quite as honorable as he claims.
No wonder he’s not too keen on cutting back on and penalizing CEO’s, how much money did he make on the current mortgage fiasco?
He may well just be another example of putting the fox in charge of guarding the henhouse.
Looks like SNL gave mccain equal time:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/snl_swipes_at_mccain_again.html?nav=rss_blog
I still like palin the best.
ROFL! Check out this “Palin-guage”.
‘Energy Expertise!’
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/09/energy-expertis.html
Today, the person who “knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America” let slip some pearls of wisdom:
“Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first.”
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YouTube link and more at link above.
I’d like to hear Palin’s detailed plan on banning domestic oil exports.
A word of warning –
WATCH your bank account real close for changes in fees and unauthorized withdrawals.
I am suspicious of other organizations and businesses that are associated to this market crash committing criminal acts.
I have already found out that this past week that a certain business has stuck their greedy hands into one of my bank accounts without my authorization.
Come this Monday, I will be battling this transaction and may have to seek legal actions.
MP:
With all due respect to our fundamentalist Christian friends, I wouldn’t put Tony Alamo in the same class with them. I had my run-ins with him back when I was working with religious cult deprogrammers back in the mid-80s.
Belongs more with Sun Myung Moon and that type.
I don’t know how any thinking rational person could support McSame/Palin unless they were personally getting something out of it.
They obviously don’t know dick about the economy. A few days ago McSame was still saying that the nation was fiscally sound…or whatever words he used.
But hey if you richy riches like losing your asses, and a million other bad things this administration and McSame who voted for it 90% of the time- don’t expect me to pretend you’re not a moron.
Yeah PMom, you know Obama, the financial expert.
After all, some of his best friends and financial advisers are:
(1) In prison for financial corruption
(2) Multi-millionaires after taking huge salaries from Fannie Mae
Political_mama,
What, specifically, has happened to you as a result of the economic situation lately?
Did you lose your job? Get a decrease in wages?
What?
Please explain.
Be exact in what policy it was that effected you as well.
What, specifically, has happened to you as a result of the economic situation lately?
been to the grocery store lately?
bought fuel?
people who save money are punished with interest rates below the rate of inflation.
wages stagnate for what 7-8 years now.
Jesus Sighted in Arkansas City!
(how did we miss this?)
http://tinyurl.com/3k9b9t
YA BABY!!!! WE WON THE RYDER CUP!!!! GO USA!!!!
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Posted September 21, 2008 at 4:18 pm | Permalink
Yeah PMom, you know Obama, the financial expert.
After all, some of his best friends and financial advisers are:
(1) In prison for financial corruption
(2) Multi-millionaires after taking huge salaries from Fannie Mae
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Yeah PMom, you know McCain, the financial expert.
After all, some of his best friends and financial advisers are:
WASHINGTON — One of them helped deregulate the financial services industries in the 1990s, and now sits in the corporate suites of Swiss banking giant UBS, which Tuesday announced $19 billion in investment losses tied to the crumbling U.S. real estate market.
The other pushed one of the most aggressive and controversial mergers of the technology boom, then was sacked by the disenchanted board of Hewlett-Packard.
Former Sen. Phil Gramm, with his aw-shucks Texas drawl, may at first blush have little in common with Carly Fiorina, the telegenic former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard. But they share a bond: Both are leading economic advisers of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the presumptive Republican nominee for president. Both have reputations as the kind of aggressive capitalists that may be sliding from favor as the nation’s economy edges toward recession.
Democratic opponents are already plotting attacks on two advocates of what Robert Reich, former Clinton labor secretary, described as “dog eat dog capitalism,” an economic philosophy that works well when the economy is on the upswing but may not play so well in a trough.
“McCain is counting on people having very short memories and not connecting some pretty obvious dots here,” said Jared Bernstein, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute, summing up a growing liberal critique of Mr. McCain’s economic team.
To economists across the political spectrum, much of the criticism is unfair oversimplification. But even some close McCain advisers said they wonder if such lightning-rod public figures should be so closely identified with his candidacy. “I, for one, have thought about it a lot,” said one McCain adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “And that’s all I will say.”
The spiraling crisis in the credit and housing markets has kept Mr. Gramm in focus, fairly or not. His employer, UBS, revealed Tuesday that investment losses tied to the U.S. housing market reached $37 billion over the last six months. For the last three months, UBS posted a $12 billion loss.
Mr. Gramm, UBS’s vice chairman, said Tuesday he was “totally unaware” of his bank’s massive holdings of securities tied to subprime mortgages, but added, “I’m confident we’ll recover.”
More to the point may be Mr. Gramm’s aggressive efforts when he was chairman of the Senate Banking Committee to deregulate the banking and financial services industry. That culminated in passage in 1999 of a sweeping financial services law that tore down the Depression-era Glass-Steagall wall separating regulated commercial banks from largely unregulated investment banks. And little regulation was put in to replace it.
“We are here today to repeal Glass-Steagall, because we have learned that government is not the answer,” Mr. Gramm declared at the time. ” … We have learned that we promote economic growth and we promote stability by having competition and freedom.”
To many liberal economists, Mr. Gramm’s efforts set the stage for the current crisis. Lending by noncommercial banks has soared, to about 70 percent of total lending. Investment banks, including Bear Stearns, grew too large to be allowed to fail. And, said James Galbraith, a University of Texas economist, investment banks helped create the exotic financial instruments that turned subprime mortgages into tradable securities.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08097/870634-176.stm
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Pretty near anyone tied to the financial industry comes with baggage, reg, so what’s your point? I can play this game all day.
Looks like Gramm may be joining Obama’s so-called friend in prison, if justice is done:
It was an offer the Californian real-estate billionaire Igor Olenicoff couldn’t refuse. For several years, the US Internal Revenue Service had been on his tail. Suspecting serial tax evasion running into tens of millions of dollars, the IRS painstakingly amassed enough information to jail the Russian immigrant for decades.
In 2006, tax investigators offered Olenicoff, a man who has strong connections with Boris Yeltsin, a deal. In return for the identity of those who helped him evade taxes, his sentence would be slashed. It took Olenicoff, who owned 11,000 houses and a large collection of high-grade offices, less than 30 seconds to make up his mind.
After two years of further investigations, Olenicoff’s evidence resulted this month in a dramatic development. UBS, the most powerful bank in Switzerland, is now on the edge of a steep cliff. Ten days ago, Bradley Birkenfeld, who between 2001 and 2006 was a senior UBS banker, signed a US court statement detailing how he smuggled diamonds in toothpaste tubes, deliberately destroyed offshore bank records on behalf of clients and helped Olenicoff evade taxes of $200m on offshore assets worth $7.26bn.
In an explosive seven-page deposition, Birkenfeld claims he was encouraged to win clients at UBS-sponsored tennis tournaments and major art events. UBS bankers, he said, assisted wealthy Americans to conceal ownership of their assets by creating ’sham’ offshore trusts. Misleading and false documentation was routinely prepared to facilitate this, and the motivation, he concluded, was to ensure that UBS continued to manage a staggering $20bn of assets owned by wealthy US individuals, which generated the bank $200m in fees each year.
‘By concealing US clients’ ownership and control in the assets held offshore, managers and bankers… defrauded the IRS and evaded US income tax,’ reads the statement. The US Department of Justice has scented blood and is moving in for the kill. UBS denies authorising or encouraging any breaches of applicable laws and regulations and has put out a statement saying it will fully cooperate with all authorities and address any issues raised by the investigation (see below). It is now faced with having to hand over details of its 20,000 US clients to the authorities………….
http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2008/07/phil-gramm-mccains-financial-advisor-is.html
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That’s Phil Gramm’s bank, UBS. You know, the same Phil Gramm now advising McCain. There’s a winner in the team.
Wasn’t it dear Phil saying not long ago we were a nation of whiners? Change that winner on the team to whiner.
Didn’t Carly, the photogenic one, get booted for illegally spying on her own board members? Another winner, er whiner.
Who is William Ayers?
William Ayers was a member of the radical left domestic terrorist group known as the Weather Underground. He is pretty much a nobody now, but Mr. Obama had some run ins with him, so William Ayers is just making a bit of news, based on loose associations.
The only thing I do know is that William Ayers has expressed hatred towards the USA and currently wears a ring made out of U.S. airplanes shot down in Vietnam. These rings were given to him and his wife by Vietnamese Communist back in 1969.
Other than that. Barack Obama has nothing to do with William Ayers and he never will in the future. So there shouldn’t be any worries between Ayers and Obama.
Looks lik dems. aren’ going to give bush carte blanch.
“Democratic leaders in Congress promised swift action, but also want to throw a lifeline to homeowners, not just Wall Street
Democrats believe a responsible solution should include independent oversight, protections for homeowners and constraints on excessive executive compensation,” said California Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives….
“It’s … hard to tell the average American that we’re going to continue to have foreclosures that destabilize neighborhoods and deprive cities of revenues they need, but we’re going to buy up the bad paper,” committee Chairman Barney Frank said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”
Links Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, “I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough.”
Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.
“Other than that. Barack Obama has nothing to do with William Ayers and he never will in the future.”
I don’t think any poster here can make such assurance ictBest.
Does that make Ayers fellow professors, and even the university he teaches at impugned? I just don’t think you even have smoke here, much less fire.
Give it up.
After Ted Steven the money man gets his day in court, does that make Palin a co-conspirator, or something?
You people are desperate and ridiculous.
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Phantom
Posted September 21, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
Does that make Ayers fellow professors, and even the university he teaches at impugned? I just don’t think you even have smoke here, much less fire.
Give it up.
After Ted Steven the money man gets his day in court, does that make Palin a co-conspirator, or something?
You people are desperate and ridiculous.
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It makes Ayers an unrepentant terrorist.
Anyone who has done terrorist activity such as bombing and then makes a statement like ““I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough,” deserves no privilege or status.
“It’s … hard to tell the average American that we’re going to continue to have foreclosures that destabilize neighborhoods and deprive cities of revenues they need, but we’re going to buy up the bad paper,” committee Chairman Barney Frank said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”
Democrats pointing fingers at Republicans for the financial mess we are in starting with the mortgage subprime mess – need to realize they have fingers pointing back at themselves.
Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, a Carter-era law that purported to prevent “redlining” – denying mortgages to black borrowers – by pressuring banks to make home loans in “low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.” Under the act, banks were to be graded on their attentiveness to the “credit needs” of “predominantly minority neighborhoods.”
“The Clinton Administration’s regulatory revisions with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans.”
And finally in 2003: “the Bush Administration recommended what the NY Times called “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” This change was to move governmental supervision of two of the primary agents guaranteeing subprime loans, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under a new agency created within the Department of the Treasury.”
But democrats managed to stop any changes, said the hero Barney Frank:
‘’These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,’’ said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘’The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’’
Maybe if democrats had not acted in 1977 and 1995 to weaken the banking loan industry, and HAD supported Bush in 2003 when Bush tried to strength the industry – we wouldn’t be in the pickle we are in today!
Pelosi’s Fraude
Indeed, leave it to the Pelosi Politburo to pass a bill, literally in the dark of night, that EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITS domestic drilling and then try to sell the legislation to the American people as a measure that opens up domestic drilling!
In case you missed it, here’s the play by play on Pelosi’s energy “hoax”:
On Monday evening at 9:45 PM, Pelosi dropped a 245-page bill on Congress (H.R. 6899, the so-called “Comprehensive American Energy Security and Consumer Protection Act.”).
Then, using arcane procedural maneuvers, she effectively stifled substantive debate, by-passed the committee process, prohibited amendments and forced a vote within 24 hours!
And on Tuesday evening, the House of Representatives passed this “sham bill” on a mostly partisan vote of 239-189!
And Pelosi’s bill is NOTHING BUT SMOKE AND MIRRORS. It will ACTUALLY PROHIBIT DOMESTIC DRILLING, RAISE YOUR TAXES, and has a ‘mother-load’ of Congressional pork!
Republican House Minority Leader, John Boehner, had this to say: “It would permanently lock up 80 percent of our nation’s offshore energy resources — holding hostage billions of barrels of American oil.”
Congressman Jeb Hensarling called it “a hoax bill that would permanently prevent exploration of nearly 90 percent of the Outer Continental Shelf for American energy and block energy production in arctic Alaska and the Inter-Mountain West.” [Emphasis Mine]
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt said; “I’m offended…. And the American people should be offended that we’re not doing the job for them that really matters.”
Right now, this “Pelosi sham bill” is on the fast-track to the Senate and the only thing that may stand in its way — and the passage of REAL energy legislation that will actually open up domestic drilling — is YOU and millions of other concerned Americans!
If we don’t take action right now, the mantra of “drill here and drill now” may be replaced by a policy of “drill nowhere, drill never and raise taxes on the American people.”
And we can’t let that happen!
Use the hyperlink below to send your urgent and personalized Blast Fax Messages to President George W. Bush and each and every Republican Member of the United States Senate.
Tell them that the American people are not fooled and REFUSE to be held hostage by “sham legislation.” The American people know that this Pelosi “sham” will only PROHIBIT domestic drilling and raise taxes on average Americans!
Tell them that “drill here and drill now” means just that. The American people expect them to stand firm AGAINST “smoke and mirror” legislative plans and to get busy passing REAL energy legislation that will lower the price of gasoline at the pump and decrease our dependence on foreign oil!
Human Events
And Obama, the man of inexperience says, “Fat Cats are to blame…” for the financial crises.
He is ignorant of the legislative history and impact Congress and presidents have had on the banks.
And Obama, the man of inexperience says, “Fat Cats are to blame…” for “your job being outsourced.”
NAFTA was enacted by the “fat cat” Bill Clinton.
“does that make Palin a co-conspirator,”
You can continue your left-wing hatchet job on Sarah Palin – to cover up any scrutiny of Obama’s inexperience.
But shouldn’t we be more concerned about the credentials of the potential president – not the VP candidate.
And why lower yourselves to that comparison anyway? It may come back and haunt you because the media flat out immediate attack on Palin may turn her into the underdog the public loves to support. Afterall, everyone hates the media.
I love watching people who are total denial of the facts right before their eyes…
These guys are like the workers in 1984’s Ministry of Truth which is “responsible for the falsification of historical events; and yet is aptly named in a deeper sense, in that it creates/manufactures “truth” in the newspeak sense of the word.”*
“For example, if Big Brother makes a prediction that turns out to be wrong, the employees of the Ministry of Truth go back and rewrite history so that any prediction Big Brother previously made is accurate.” *
McCain says, “The fundamentals for the American economy are sound.” Of course he meant that autoworkers work hard…. u huh u huh.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Truth
DavidB,
Now that you mention it, that is what he meant.
If you had actually listened to his speech instead of just grabbing one sentence from it, you would know that.
“”And my opponents may disagree, but those fundamentals — the American worker and their innovation, their entrepreneurship, the small business, those are the fundamentals of America, and I think they’re strong,” he said in Orlando.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/15/mccain_fundamentals_of_economy.html
DavidB,
So, I don’t love watching it, but people like you seem to be the ones in denial of the facts.
You cherry pick things that are said in your weak attempts to mischaracterize what McCain has actually said.
For those of us who pay attention, we can see right through your lies.
It appears to me that you are the one who hopes that the average person who doesn’t pay any attention or bother to look at the facts will actually buy the complete load of BS people like you spew.
If you had actually listened to his speech instead of just grabbing one sentence from it, you would know that.
“For example, if Big Brother makes a prediction that turns out to be wrong, the employees of the Ministry of Truth go back and rewrite history so that any prediction Big Brother previously made is accurate.” *
[snort, snort]
You cherry pick things that are said in your weak attempts to mischaracterize what McCain has actually said.
“These guys are like the workers in 1984’s Ministry of Truth which is “responsible for the falsification of historical events; and yet is aptly named in a deeper sense, in that it creates/manufactures “truth” in the newspeak sense of the word.”*
[chuckle, chuckle]
What do you call someone who attends a $28,000 a plate dinner and then attends a $2,500 per ticket concert?
“fat cat”
(and if you took your better half, that’s only a paltry $62,000 night out.)
61K vice $62.
Nathaniel
Posted September 21, 2008 at 7:50 pm | Permalink
For those of us who pay attention, we can see right through your lies.
It appears to me that you are the one who hopes that the average person who doesn’t pay any attention or bother to look at the facts will actually buy the complete load of BS people like you spew.
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What about the BS the GOP spews?
The party of small government. The government is the problem, not the solution. We’re the government, and we’re here to help [wink wink nudge nudge]. Check out American_Way’s juvenile version just above.
What a steaming load of horsesh*t.
The GOP is intellectually, morally, and ethically bankrupt. The Dems ain’t any better, but that’s the key: they both EQUALLY bankrupt of good ideas for the USA.
Alaska: more earmarks per capita than any other state – Not much of a “no thanks…”
The fact is, the more truths we learn about Palin, the less suitable she seems.
Repeating falsehoods day after day to the approving roar of the Republican petite-bourgeoisie will not get her far.
“You can fool all of the people some of the time… You can fool some of the people all of the time… But you can;t fool all of the people all of the time.”
Obama knows America has to follow a new energy plan. And he knows healthcare for all is good for America. And not healthcare modeled after the banking industry of the past ten years, as McCain says in a current magazine article!
And they know that McCain is too old for the job…
…and Palin is too silly and extreme.
Very few people think that if their wife is raped, that she should be forced by law to carry the rapist’s baby to term, as Palin does. Very few people believe that a mother must risk death rather than abort a dangerous pregnancy, as Palin does.
Hee hee!! Personal attacks! heee hee. You lose.
“they both EQUALLY bankrupt of good ideas for the USA.”
Agree. Republicans like to blame the “tax and spend” democrats. They like to talk about staying out of business and less regulation.
And what did they just team up with democrats to do?
Bail out the fat cats and banks!
When Saudi Arabia nationalized oil, or Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez national their industry – republicans call it socialism.
The shoe fits.
McCain displayed a sudden interest in the SEC last week when he demanded that its chairman, Chris Cox, be fired. When his campaign was asked if the senator had ever criticized the current commission’s performance before, it failed to respond.
Tellingly, three former SEC chairmen, a Democrat, Arthur Levitt, and two Republicans, David Ruder and Bill Donaldson, have endorsed Obama. Levitt is a board member of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg News.
Donaldson, who was tapped by Bush to head the SEC, says Obama called him last year about the financial-regulatory problems. He has never heard from McCain.
“Obama has been talking about the need for better financial regulation well before this crisis hit and has done some real thinking about it,” says Donaldson, a lifelong Republican. “McCain comes across as someone who suddenly realized changes have to be made.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/21/america/letter.php
Obama has been talking about…
That’s the problem, all Obama does is talk and never does anything.
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Posted September 21, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink
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Phantom
Posted September 21, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
Does that make Ayers fellow professors, and even the university he teaches at impugned? I just don’t think you even have smoke here, much less fire.
Give it up.
After Ted Steven the money man gets his day in court, does that make Palin a co-conspirator, or something?
You people are desperate and ridiculous.
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It makes Ayers an unrepentant terrorist.
Anyone who has done terrorist activity such as bombing and then makes a statement like ““I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough,” deserves no privilege or status.
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. . . and, you know, that has absolutely nothing to do with Obama . . . except maybe in very small minded individuals.
“Obama has been talking about the need for better financial regulation…”
but you missed this part:
“and has done some real thinking about it.”"”
Thinking is um.. well, some of us believe thinking about a problem is part of the process of solving problems…
But then maybe Palin can pray real hard with her witch-hunter friend.. and God Almighty will do some fixin and shakin’ up.
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 8:08 pm | Permalink
Obama has been talking about…
That’s the problem, all Obama does is talk and never does anything.
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Background :
Worked for $13,000 / year helping inner city Chicago poor.
Registered 150,000 people to vote. Graduated first black
president of Harvard Law Review, passed over 600 high money
law firm offers to work for civil rights practice at fractional pay.
State senate :
Adds health insurance for 20,000 children, Welfare reform, Earned income tax credit, increased minimum wage ($5.15 to $6.50).
Death penalty reform making interrogations be video taped passed Senate 58-0, signed to law by governor who first opposed Obama’s bill. Sponsored bill probing police profiling.
Obama opposed Iraq war publically, long before the invasion. Accurately depicted it as undetermined length, undetermined cost, undetermined objective, resulting as civil war. Same assessment Bush Sr. & Dick Cheney both gave in early 90’s.
Federal senate :
Worked with republican senator Lugar to expand and author program to locate & dismantle stray Russian WMD’s left over from the cold war after the disbanding of the USSR.
Jan. 2007, major ethics/lobbying reform bill, w/ Russ Feingold insisted tougher measures banning lobbyist gifts/ meals/ jets, disclosure of earmark & contribution bundling to candidates or committees; restricts retiring Congress from going into lobbying.
Toured Kuwait, Jordan, Israel, Palestinian territories, he told Palestinian Authority Abbas that US would never recognize Hamas leaders until they renounced mission to attack Israel.
In Africa, publicly took AIDS test as example of responsibility.
Obama cosponsored Secure Orderly Immigration Act by John
McCain. Passed 62-36. Makes undocumented persons who
have been here 5+ years only allowed to stay and apply for citizenship, if pay back taxes, learn English and no criminal record. 2 million undocumented persons who have been in the United States for less than two years would be ordered home.
Called for increased fuel efficiency standards (3% / year)
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For a guy who never did anything, he’s been pretty busy.
Thanks JM.. they call them “cheap shots” for a reason…
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 7:27 pm
“Tell them that “drill here and drill now” means just that.”
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Tell them that “drill here and drill now” means a futile attempt at trying the maintain the status quo.
http://www.wilderness.org/Library/Documents/upload/PennyaGallon20yrs1.pdf
DRILL IN DETROIT NOW!
DRILL IN DETROIT NOW!
DRILL IN DETROIT NOW!
‘Drilling in Detroit ‘
Tapping Automaker Ingenuity to Build Safe and Efficient Automobiles
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/solutions/cleaner_cars_pickups_and_suvs/drilling-in-detroit.html
Alaska’s Ted Steven. . .?
‘Train to nowhere. Palin’s Choo choo to Ted Steven’s resort town.‘
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/3/10470/38203/246/584531
Well good evening Cosmos. Linking to what? dailykos?
I see you are being consistent in the quality of your sourcing.
A nice short list J M Walker.
That’s all Obama has to show for himself after 15 years in the Illinois Senate and the U.S. Senate?
Pathetic.
As I said before, Obama is a do nothing opportunist, that uses bumper sticker phrases to promote himself. Obama is a narcissist, nothing more.
Notice how cosmos links to ultra Lib Websites shows that he’s nothing but a political hack with a skewed ideology.
cosmos like duh rest of the duh Libs have no plans. Just more talk and higher taxes.
The story in cosmos’s link is true.
Why attack the source? IF you have facts to bring against the post OR the link then bring them.
Or? Don’t you have any?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Higher taxes on people who make their living off of other people’s work sounds like a first rate idea to me.
BlueJay,
Since you make your living off of other peoples work, how much more in taxes do you think you should be paying?
Yeah, sure it is BJ. Linking to a blog.
This does tend to illustrate my point about the demise of the MSM. In it’s place some of us read and reference crap journals like dailykos.
Reasonable folk know that if dailykos says the sky is blue, you better check for yourself.
If that list is pathetic… let’s think about the legacy of your George Bush’s eight year reign. And up until today, McCain is promising more of the same…
A lot of bitter angry people here… making personal insults and silly name-calling.
Please. Remember, our dear short GW Bush ran as a uniter, not a divider! Are we united yet?
DavidB
Posted September 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink
If that list is pathetic… let’s think about the legacy of your George Bush’s eight year reign. And up until today, McCain is promising more of the same…
A lot of bitter angry people here… making personal insults and silly name-calling.
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The only bitter angry people around here are duh Libs.
They’ve been whining and crying since 2000.
“Since you make your living off of other peoples work, how much more in taxes do you think you should be paying?”
I make FAR less than $250,000 there Nathan.
THIS is the pool that candidate Obama wants to tax. And I’m all for it. The only people I have ever even MET in that crowd MIGHT include your father and stepmother.
“Yeah, sure it is BJ. Linking to a blog.”
Again with attacking the source outlander? Disprove the story there. I dare you.
Soak ‘em.
Checking the lipstick in the rear-view mirror..
More than 6 in 10 said they would be concerned if Mr. McCain could not finish his term and Ms. Palin had to take over. In contrast, two-thirds of voters surveyed said Mr. Biden would be qualified to take over for Mr. Obama, a figure that cut across party lines.
-latest the New York Times/CBS News poll
Barack Obama now leads John McCain among national registered voters by a 49% to 40% margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 24-26.
-latest Gallup poll
Obama had an affair with Hillary Clinton. Disprove it.
Barack Obama now leads John McCain among national registered voters by a 49% to 40% margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 24-26.
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Dude, it’s September.
Anyone who thinks more of the same is good for America is a freaking lunatic.
I mispoke earlier, Paulson didn’t come from Morgan, he was the CEO of Goldman Sachs, how fortunate for them! No wonder he wants one of the conditions to be that the actions they take are beyond legal reproach.
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Federal Reserve approved applications on Sunday from Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley to become bank holding companies, enabling them to take deposits, borrow permanently from the central bank, while putting them under supervision of the central bank.
With your 9:57 lie outlander, you have lost the last measure of any respect I had for you.
AGAIN, if you can disprove the Palin choo choo link, do so.
Here’s a story that literally destroys yet another cosmos and DailyKos lie.
It gets tiresome kicking cosmos ass daily.
Palin’s “Train to Nowhere”
“Long time readers of Jessica’s Well know that public transit projects are met with large amounts of skepticism around here. As a rule, public transportation projects are massive drains on Taxpayer money. The bad part is small town Mayors and Councils go along with these projects because they want to be for economic development projects that support regional and state objectives.
So, Sarah Palin was no different than hundreds of other Mayors in this regard and she is taking an undue amount of heat over it.
When the Washington Post came out with the Palin’s Embrace of Earmarks story which is sourced to a group called Taxpayers for Common Sense, I was appalled by the lack of basic research into these large transportation “earmarks.” The depth of reporting on this seems to be a Google search for “Wasilla” and “Earmark” and some quick math to come up with $26.9 million dollars for the SOLE benefit of Wasilla, Alaska. Great investigative reporting there WaPo, thank goodness the blogs will do your job for you.
The largest chunk is the $15 million dollar commuter line touted as the Wasilla to Girdwood line. According to the KOS Kids:
She got $27 million in federal funds (earmarks) for that little town including one that intrigued me since reading about it a few days ago: $15 million for a “railway” project. I assumed that it must be a connection to Anchorage since that was the only thing that made sense.
Wrong! She collaborates with Senator Ted Stevens, the indicted Alaskan Senator. Bingo, tiny Girdwood gets rail service from Wasilla.
First off, the KOS Kids might do well to look at a map and learn that Anchorage is on the rail line between Wasilla and Girdwood and there is a freaking Mountain Range that prevents direct travel from Wasilla to Girdwood. The truth of the matter is, this was a regional rail project meant to serve everyone between Girdwood and Wasilla with commuter rail access to Anchorage along the existing rail lines. It was also an integral piece to prepare the rail system for further upgrades to support a deep water port project for the Mat-Su area called Port MacKenzie and remove dangerous grade crossings and steep curves.
The project is really spearheaded by the Alaska Railroad Corporation and the regional transportation group called MASCOT. Here’s one of the the ARRC’s studies. and another. In all the Alaska Rail Road Corporation is projecting they will receive close to $200 Million in funds (pg 16) for their rail projects from the Federal Government, which includes the bulk of the transportation projects with Wasilla in the name. All of the sudden Palin and Wasilla don’t seem to key to all that funding they are accused of getting.
As for the earmark claim, this comes from the fact this project was a specific line item in a Transportation Bill, which implies the project was not vetted by the executive bureaucracy for merit. This is false.
First off, all so called 5309 projects must be submitted by the Federal Transit Administration as a “Report to Congress” for evaluation and funding recommendation. This recommendation is provided to congress as a customary budgetary report, but as a matter of policy each 5309 project is directly funded to the entity, therefore every 5309 project comes across as an earmark, even though it was submitted for regular budgetary funding. Truthfully, until “earmarks” became a bad word, congressmen routinely plucked bureaucracy approved spending from their reports so they could brag to the constituents instead of letting the agencies take the credit.
So why would Palin be for this series of projects while Mayor? Well, while everyone seems to be keying in on the commuter rail service to Anchorage and the rest of the Mat-Su area, they overlook the opportunity for Wasilla to have the AARC RELOCATE the rail lines out of downtown Wasilla so the train can bypass the community and not have so many dangerous at grade crossings.
What small town mayor wouldn’t sign onto a huge package supported by the regional transportation powers when it is going to get the railroad out of the middle of their town?
I guess it is more shocking for the WaPo to say that Wasilla ALONE, under Palin received $20.5 Million in “transportation earmarks” instead of saying the greater Anchorage area, including Wasilla and many other communities benefited from these funds which will improve REGIONAL commuter access, support tourism, trade, commerce and national defense. Saying a town received $6.4 Million in earmarks over a decade doesn’t have the same ring.
So, to all those local elected officials with an eye for National Office, you should watch what regional grant request you sign on to in the name of economic development.”
http://www.jessicaswell.com/mt/archives/2008/09/washington-post-cites-gro.php
outlander posted September 21, 2008 at 8:41 pm
“Well good evening Cosmos. Linking to what? dailykos?
I see you are being consistent in the quality of your sourcing.”
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outlander posted September 21, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Yeah, sure it is BJ. Linking to a blog.
This does tend to illustrate my point about the demise of the MSM. In it’s place some of us read and reference crap journals like dailykos.
Reasonable folk know that if dailykos says the sky is blue, you better check for yourself.
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Actually outlander, the main source for the DailyKos page is the NY Times.
If you don’t like the NY Times, you can find the same $15 Million train to Girdwood earmark at,
‘EARMARKS
Palin’s Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds‘
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148.html?hpid=topnews
And outlander, if you don’t like the NY Times and WaPo, try some of these,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earmark+rail+Wasilla+Girdwood&btnG=Search
You can also check the Library of Congress.
Yes, yes.. only those liberals are angry. The conservatives are always models of charity and grace, praise the Lord, basking in the glory of their departing administration’s glowing, shining record of success after success.
And the democrats have no plans at all except to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, and end this fundamentally sound economic situation and our wonderful little wars…
Many of the liberals I know are full of hope that American will be a great nation again soon. They are a little peeved about the torture thing… possible war crimes.. a violated constitution and a wrecked checks & balances system… but othwr than that, they seem pretty up beat.
Palin is giving them lots to be happy about! The more they learn about Palin, the happier they are McCain chose her.
Too late cosmos, you’re buttocks have been thoroughly kicked. You can link to three thousand more Lib sources and they will all be lies.
As explained in the story I posted, this was a multi-community project, state of Alaska and Federal transportation project – not just Wasilla.
Go adjust your tinfoil hat cosmos, you lose again with your half-baked stories and out right lies.
“With your 9:57 lie outlander, you have lost the last measure of any respect I had for you.”
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Gosh BJ, I just don’t know if I can go on now.
But, have you disproved my allegation? Word is that they were frequently in the same cities at the same time.
The point, since I obviously have to draw you a picture, is that some crap is so ridiculous and/or unreliable that it can be dismissed out of hand. Like stuff posted at dailykos.
Yeah it’s REAL important for American taxpayers to pay millions of dollars so the residents of Wasilla have a rail line to a ski resort aint it “Regular”?
More information on the study from the Alaska Railroad Corporation that just literally kicks the crap out of cosmos lies.
http://www.akrr.com/pdf/2008%20Wasilla%20Road-Rail%20Alignment%20Planning1.pdf
Another thorough study that goes into great detail on the summary, highlights, financial pal, funding options and etc.
http://www.akrr.com/pdf/STU_2002_South_Central_Rail_Network.pdf
cosmos is so ate up with the Liberal dumb ass, he can’t tell fiction from fact. Drinking the kool aid of the Daily Kos and other liberal rags, cosmos should join the Jim Jones drinks of Jones town and just end it all. He fails miserably on assailing the good people of Alaska and falsely accusing Governor Palin.
cosmos is a deadwood Kommie liar and needs to be chucked on the fire of useless rubbish as he is no longer of any use to anyone.
Sounds like she was a ‘pig with lipstick’ going to the pork trough overseen by Stevens.
“Lee’s Summit, Mo.— Governor Sarah Palin went after Barack Obama today for requesting earmarks while she touted her own budget cutting record at a rally here.
She didn’t mention the earmarks she has accepted for Alaska which amounted to 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year.”
- Fox News (sic)
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/palin-hits-obama-on-earmarks/
Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink
Here’s a story that literally destroys yet another cosmos and DailyKos lie.
It gets tiresome kicking cosmos ass daily.
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You mean everything on the net isn’t true?
Gee, kinda like the following?
Obama’s not a US citizen?
Obama’s a Muslim?
Obama’s mentor is a terrorist?
Obama’s done nothing in 15 years of public service?
etc.,etc.,etc.?
Wow, I’m surprised!
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BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink
Yeah it’s REAL important for American taxpayers to pay millions of dollars so the residents of Wasilla have a rail line to a ski resort aint it “Regular”?
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You’re a total dumb ass Junior and obviously you didn’t read the link or the studies that this was a combined Alaskan and Federal project, not Wasilla.
It was for a entire community up and down the line.
But I know you won’t read it Junior, you like passing on lines and repeating them over and over.
And Junior claims he does lie.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Even when proven wrong, Junior repeats stories that have been proven false.
Remil the liar.
‘McCain had criticized earmarks from Palin‘
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story
“WASILLA, ALASKA — For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He’s even gone so far as to publish “pork lists” detailing these financial favors.
Three times in recent years, McCain’s catalogs of “objectionable” spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time — Sarah Palin.”
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JMWalker
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink
Here’s a story that literally destroys yet another cosmos and DailyKos lie.
It gets tiresome kicking cosmos ass daily.
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You mean everything on the net isn’t true?
Gee, kinda like the following?
Obama’s not a US citizen?
Obama’s a Muslim?
Obama’s mentor is a terrorist?
Obama’s done nothing in 15 years of public service?
etc.,etc.,etc.?
Wow, I’m surprised!
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Irrelevant limp dick.
You’re ashamed that cosmos got his ass kicked and won’t admit to one of your Lib idols is nothing but a liar.
Peace out.. jeez. Going all liberal angry on us now?
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
cosmos is a deadwood Kommie liar and needs to be chucked on the fire of useless rubbish as he is no longer of any use to anyone.
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I would think many here have the same opinion of, say, yourself? People who live in glass blogs, shouldn’t throw stones, huh?
Okay now folks, let’s watch all the spin from the lying leftist Libs.
Instead of owning up to their errors, they are going to throw in every side-stepping whining excuse they can think of.
But, never will they admit they are wrong.
And, they are dead wrong about the railway and Palin.
Actually, decidedly NOT regular “Regular?
I acquainted cosmos with the choo choo to the ski resort story.
I stand by it. Sarah Palin wasted United States tax payer money on an earmark (one among many) to build a railroad from a town of a few thousand to a ski resort that just HAPPENED to be owned by currently under investigation Alaska Senator Ted Stevens.
And you my addled opponent are showing signs of an entertaining meltdown.
Happy to help!
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JMWalker
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
cosmos is a deadwood Kommie liar and needs to be chucked on the fire of useless rubbish as he is no longer of any use to anyone.
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I would think many here have the same opinion of, say, yourself? People who live in glass blogs, shouldn’t throw stones, huh?
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Go ahead death breath, defend your liar if it you think it makes you more of man.
hahahahaha!
busted and busted good, cosmos is done, toasted.
Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink
Okay now folks, let’s watch all the spin from the lying leftist Libs.
Instead of owning up to their errors, they are going to throw in every side-stepping whining excuse they can think of.
But, never will they admit they are wrong.
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Reminds me of the McCain campaign. They do it the same way. The truth never bothered them, why should it you, regardless of subject?
Here comes more of Juniors lies at 10:21 pm.
Even when proven wrong, duh Libs stick with their lies.
hahahahahahaha!
Read the studies at the links Libs, if you’re men enough to do it and admit to your lies.
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
More information on the study from the Alaska Railroad Corporation that just literally kicks the crap out of cosmos lies.
http://www.akrr.com/pdf/2008%20Wasilla%20Road-Rail%20Alignment%20Planning1.pdf
Another thorough study that goes into great detail on the summary, highlights, financial pal, funding options and etc.
http://www.akrr.com/pdf/STU_2002_South_Central_Rail_Network.pdf
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
Go ahead death breath, defend your liar if it you think it makes you more of man.
hahahahaha!
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Death breath? More of a man? I’m neither defending nor condemning Cosmos on that subject. Just showing the world what a blog a**h**e you really are.
I could care less if she built or didn’t build a road to nowhere; or the story behind it. They don’t call this the silly season for nothing, dude, and you just made that case for me, silly boy.
No one likes war. War is a horrific affair, bloody and expensive. Sending our men and women into battle to perhaps die or be maimed is an unconscionable thought. Yet some wars need to be waged, and someone needs to lead. The citizenry and Congress are often ambivalent or largely opposed to any given war. It’s up to our leader to convince them. That’s why we call the leader “Commander in Chief.”
George W.’s war was no different. There was lots of resistance to it. Many in Congress were vehemently against the idea. The Commander in Chief had to lobby for legislative approval. Along with supporters, George W. used the force of his convictions, the power of his title and every ounce of moral persuasion he could muster to rally support. He had to assure Congress and the public that the war was morally justified, winnable and affordable. Congress eventually came around and voted overwhelmingly to wage war.
George W. then lobbied foreign governments for support. But in the end, only one European nation helped us. The rest of the world sat on its hands and watched. After a few quick victories, things started to go bad. There were many dark days when all the news was discouraging. Casualties began to mount. It became obvious that our forces were too small. Congress began to drag its feet about funding the effort. Many who had voted to support the war just a few years earlier were beginning to speak against it and accuse the Commander in Chief of misleading them. Many critics began to call him incompetent, an idiot and even a liar. Journalists joined the negative chorus with a vengeance. As the war entered its fourth year, the public began to grow weary of the conflict and the casualties. George W.’s popularity plummeted. Yet through it all, he stood firm, supporting the troops and endorsing the struggle.
Without his unwavering support, the war would have surely ended, then and there, in overwhelming and total defeat. At this darkest of times, he began to make some changes. More troops were added and trained. Some advisers were shuffled, and new generals installed. Then, unexpectedly and gradually, things began to improve. Now it was the enemy that appeared to be growing weary of the lengthy conflict and losing support. Victories began to come, and hope returned.
Many critics in Congress and the press said the improvements were just George W.’s good luck. The progress, they said, would be temporary. He knew, however, that in warfare good fortune counts. Then, in the unlikeliest of circumstances and perhaps the most historic example of military luck, the enemy blundered and was resoundingly defeated. After six long years of war, the Commander in Chief basked in a most hard-fought victory.
So on that historic day, Oct. 19, 1781, in a place called Yorktown, a satisfied George Washington sat upon his beautiful white horse and accepted the surrender of Lord Cornwallis, effectively ending the Revolutionary War.
What? Were you thinking of someone else?
The end of the Investment Banking Era has arrived. Good Riddance, they’ve done nothing except cause one upheaval after another. I hope derivatives dies with them.
George W. says only a war president can be great, so can the b.s.
heh heh, good story Box. :)
Maybe they needed the railline to ship out all the meth., get it to Anchorage.
JMWalker
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
Go ahead death breath, defend your liar if it you think it makes you more of man.
hahahahaha!
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Death breath? More of a man? I’m neither defending nor condemning Cosmos on that subject. Just showing the world what a blog a**h**e you really are.
I could care less if she built or didn’t build a road to nowhere; or the story behind it. They don’t call this the silly season for nothing, dude, and you just made that case for me, silly boy.
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Naw, instead of keeping your senile mouthings to yourself, you decided to attack me and calling me an a##hol# for pointing out what liars the Libs on this blog are.
Since you’re fond of the word a##hol# , why don’t you wear it as you appear to approve of liars and hate those who tell the truth.
LOL@YOU I like choo-choos.
They are safe and fuel efficient. They’re relatively green,” compared to the Detroit monstrosities.
Oh our decidedly NOT “Regular” James McCluer is in position for a full blown rabid rant fest.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm
“More information on the study from the Alaska Railroad Corporation that just literally kicks the crap out of cosmos lies.
…
cosmos is so ate up with the Liberal dumb ass, he can’t tell fiction from fact. Drinking the kool aid of the Daily Kos and other liberal rags, cosmos should join the Jim Jones drinks of Jones town and just end it all. He fails miserably on assailing the good people of Alaska and falsely accusing Governor Palin.
cosmos is a deadwood Kommie liar and needs to be chucked on the fire of useless rubbish as he is no longer of any use to anyone.”
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Multi-nic’d seems to very stupidly believe that I personally wrote all of the columns that appeared in the NY Times, WaPo, and other media.
‘Palin’s take on earmarks evolving’
http://www.adn.com/politics/v-printer/story/516743.html
“She also hired a lobbyist who pushed for a $15 million commuter rail project to link Wasilla, Anchorage and Girdwood.”
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Multi-nic’d. . . I did NOT write those columns.
Email your stupid, irrational rants to the journalists who actually did.
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BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
Oh our decidedly NOT “Regular” James McCluer is in position for a full blown rabid rant fest.
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No, I just enjoy kicking your spit/spraying feminine buttocks on this blog on a daily basis.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm
“So where are all these high energy savings devices cosmos is talking about?
They don’t exist?
Ten years from now?
Twenty years from now?
This is typically progressive liberal speak. Their solutions are pie-in-the-sky and do not exist.”
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They do exist.
‘Saving Oil’
Option 1. Efficient use of oil
Page 43 (PDF pg 67) of report,
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d. . . I did NOT write those columns.
Email your stupid, irrational rants to the journalists who actually did.
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hahahahaha!
cosmos refuses to admit he is wrong and is passing on lies!
You didn’t write it, that’s true cosmos, but when you pass on lies just like you always do, that makes you a liar.
I just decided it was time to call you out.
If people would read the original research from the Climate scientists, they would find out just how much of liar you really are. I know, I’ve read some of that research and it was the original research, not from some blog or an ‘Op ed’ piece.
cosmos thinks the abridged versions of science presses some sort of ‘easy button’ for him and justifies his lying to people here on the blog and the public.
Not your writings cosmos? It sure isn’t, but you are sure willing to pass those lies and half-baked innuendos along as the truth now don’t you.
Just
admit
you
are
wrong
cosmos
It’s that simple, really it is.
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm
“So where are all these high energy savings devices cosmos is talking about?
They don’t exist?
Ten years from now?
Twenty years from now?
This is typically progressive liberal speak. Their solutions are pie-in-the-sky and do not exist.”
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They do exist.
‘Saving Oil’
Option 1. Efficient use of oil
Page 43 (PDF pg 67) of report,
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
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Yeah, these innovations are saving how many billions of dollars a year?
You can pick these up right at your AutoZone right?
Maybe your hardware store?
What’s that? They are still research models?
Auto makers don’t use them because they break down and are too costly?
Further example of cosmos’s lies and half-baked innuendos and deception.
Oh wow Jimmuh “Regular” is monologueing now.
Complete with insane laughter.
One hopes his sister linda will be down to wipe his chin, and his screen soon!
This is rich!
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BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink
Oh wow Jimmuh “Regular” is monologueing now.
Complete with insane laughter.
One hopes his sister linda will be down to wipe his chin, and his screen soon!
This is rich!
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You need new lines Junior.
It’s funny the first time you write, after the twentieth time it becomes quite boring.
And why doesn’t J M Walker call you a blog a##ho##?
Hmmm?
The chicken Shietz Walker to afraid to call a Lib out, maybe because he is a Lib and ashamed to admit it.
“And why doesn’t J M Walker call you a blog a##ho##?”
Because THAT is your title and claim here “Regular”.
End of the month and the meds are running out for you is my guess.
I’m happy to help you vent/meltdown.
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BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink
“And why doesn’t J M Walker call you a blog a##ho##?”
Because THAT is your title and claim here “Regular”.
End of the month and the meds are running out for you is my guess.
I’m happy to help you vent/meltdown.
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Maybe you can relate your story to everyone on the blog of how you still wet the bed until you were twenty years old.
I’m sure others would be interested in your child hood trauma.
I think we are more interested in the confluence of traumas that created you there James.
An aging man with no kids and no wife who lives with his ALSO aging sister with no husband and no kids?
Hey, I’m a liberal, it is not my place to judge.
But understanding the dynamic might better help us understand your psychosis.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 10:45 pm
“hahahahaha!
cosmos refuses to admit he is wrong and is passing on lies!
You didn’t write it, that’s true cosmos, but when you pass on lies just like you always do, that makes you a liar.
I just decided it was time to call you out.
If people would read the original research from the Climate scientists, they would find out just how much of liar you really are. I know, I’ve read some of that research and it was the original research, not from some blog or an ‘Op ed’ piece.
cosmos thinks the abridged versions of science presses some sort of ‘easy button’ for him and justifies his lying to people here on the blog and the public.
Not your writings cosmos? It sure isn’t, but you are sure willing to pass those lies and half-baked innuendos along as the truth now don’t you.
Just
admit
you
are
wrong
cosmos
It’s that simple, really it is.”
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Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 10:47 pm
“Yeah, these innovations are saving how many billions of dollars a year?
You can pick these up right at your AutoZone right?
Maybe your hardware store?
What’s that? They are still research models?
Auto makers don’t use them because they break down and are too costly?
Further example of cosmos’s lies and half-baked innuendos and deception.”
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Thank you multi-nic’d, for proving, yet again that you have multiple, severe “problems”.
“limpdick?”
“death breath?”
“chicken Sheitz”
Who’s writing your material, “Regular?”
The Cub Scouts?
You see folks,
Duh Libs have nothing to come back with when they are caught in lies.
Just spin and more lies. That’s all the got.
Sad.
From cosmos’s link….
” Mayor Palin gathered up $27 million in subsidies from Washington, $15 million of it for a railroad from her town to the ski resort hometown of Senator Ted Stevens, now under indictment for failing to report gifts.
The Republicans are presenting Ms. Palin as a crusader against Mr. Stevens’s infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.” The record says otherwise; she initially supported Mr. Stevens’s boondoggle, diverting the money to other projects when the bridge became a political disaster. In her speech to the Wasilla Assembly of God in June, Ms. Palin said it was “God’s will” that the federal government contribute to a $30 billion gas pipeline she wants built in Alaska.
Don’t know about you, but federal funds for a railway to a ski resort in Girdwood, Ted Stevens hometown,seems like one of those earmarks a lot of Republicans would certainly be against. But maybe that’s just after they were for them? Didn’t the Republican Congress after produce and approve the most earmarks of any Congress ever? Did I get that wrong or something? Wasn’t it the Democrats who actually cut earmarks?
“As governor, I’ve stood up to the old politics as usual, to the special interests, to the lobbyists, the big oil companies, and the good-ol’-boy network,” she said Friday.
Cough. Heh. Cough. Wait a minute:
1. Palin hired a lobbying firm to help her get earmarks, in 2000. Paul Kane, WaPo. Lobbyists helped Sarah Palin, sure. She did her part as well, with several visits to Teddy Stevens in DC.
2. Palin traveled many times to Washington DC to ask for earmarks. Palin made “annual” trips to DC.
$15 million Train to town of “nearly” 2000.
The Alyeska Resort provides countless job and recreational opportunities for residents. Alyeska Resort includes The Hotel Alyeska with its 307 spacious rooms, fine dining, spa, and retail shops. A number of golf, spa, and ski packages are available. With three new chairlifts and a day lodge, this first-class ski resort provides amateurs and professionals with challenging trails in the midst of rugged landscape and snow-capped mountains.
She stood up to them alright. She stood up and begged for earmark money for her town! And for TED STEVEN’s tiny town. Girdwood has that one resort, don’t forget. I’m so glad my tax dollars could help them out.”
I finally got around to watching the Sunday morning shows.
The comment of the day:
“”The question is, who in this crisis looked more presidential, calm and un-flustered? It wasn’t John McCain who, as usual, substituting vehemence for coherence, said ‘let’s fire somebody.’”
-GEORGE WILL, on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”
“You see folks, ”
Tell the “folks” all about ya “Regular”.
You live with your sister and are on welfare.
You have threatened to break into the offices of posters here.
You have threatened to shoot (presumably to kill) me and other posters.
You have many times changed your screen name here.
You have threatened open warfare on the blog itself.
Decidedly NOT “Regular”?
I tell you again for the umpteenth time now. DO seek help.
BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink
Higher taxes on people who make their living off of other people’s work sounds like a first rate idea to me
What Blue Jay is saying is do it and that’s more hand outs and entitlements me and my kind don’t have to earn
‘Energy Expertise!’
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/09/energy-expertis.html
Today, the person who “knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America” let slip some pearls of wisdom:
“Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first.”
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YouTube link and more at link above.
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BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink
“You see folks, ”
Tell the “folks” all about ya “Regular”.
You live with your sister and are on welfare.
You have threatened to break into the offices of posters here.
You have threatened to shoot (presumably to kill) me and other posters.
You have many times changed your screen name here.
You have threatened open warfare on the blog itself.
Decidedly NOT “Regular”?
I tell you again for the umpteenth time now. DO seek help.
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hahahaha!
All lies by Junior.
And the funny thing is, everyone knows they are lies, yet J. Remil keeps repeating them.
You think you get into my head Junior, when it is me getting into yours.
I’ve made you dance tonight Junior. And you’ve just hopped your way from one lie to the next.
DANCE PUPPET DANCE!
Multi-nic’d Regular posted March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-319/#comment-316172
“It looks like Brownlee won’t do anything with this blog, so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.
Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.
Brownlee wants this blog to be amateur hour, well here it comes.
You’ll never know when it strikes.“
BlueJay
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:18 pm
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Ah yes, as predicted the lie would be repeated by none other than BlueJay, the blog’s worst liar.
What say you J M Walker, proud of your lying Lib friends even though they have been shown several times their stories are totally false and lies, they still keep posting them?
These lying Libs belong to you Walker, you took ownership of them, when you attacked me instead of them.
Guess Walker loves his liars.
Multi-nic’d Regular falsely claimed that:
“The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
Here are some examples of multi-nic’d Regular’s proof(sic) of that false claim:
“cosmos gasbagging his way to more one liners of attack. It’s not a wonder that cosmos large intestines are the size of fire hose and just as deadly with the expulsion of stinky fumes.”
“I have no idea why cosmos has such a ‘hard on’ for the Sierra Club. Maybe he’s a local president of them, I don’t know. But he’s definetely in butt lust with them.”
“Yet more of cosmos denials and lies and his incessant lustful butt thrusting about the Sierra Club.
Once again, cosmos changes his story to suit the occasion. An incessant liar and toe licker for the Sierra Club.”
“I wonder if cosmos attentions to the Sierra Club involve courtship or is it just a straight illicit affair?”
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 21, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d Regular posted March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-319/#comment-316172
“It looks like Brownlee won’t do anything with this blog, so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.
Be prepared to get ugly spilled upon you.
Brownlee wants this blog to be amateur hour, well here it comes.
You’ll never know when it strikes.“
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As predicted…
cosmos can’t admit to his lies, so he goes on the attack.
It was predicted.
It happened.
cosmos is a predictable liar.
Watch the meltdown from cosmos when he gets caught in his lies.
It’s rather amusing folks as cosmos arm flails his way into ’spin land.’
cosmos can’t man up and admit he lies, so he attacks others.
As predicted.
It came to light.
I don’t WANT to get into your head Jimmuh “Regular”
Even if you “Regular”ly spill the deluded contents of it here.
‘Bush Hiding Truth: Global Warming Regulations Worth $2 Trillion Benefit»‘
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/06/30/bush-epa-suppression/
“Assuming gas prices in the range of $3.50 per gallon, “the net benefit to society could be in excess of $2 trillion” through 2040:”
H/T to http://desmogblog.com
“Ah yes, as predicted the lie would be repeated by none other than BlueJay, the blog’s worst liar.”
Catch me in ONE James.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 21, 2008 at 11:54 pm
“Watch the meltdown from cosmos when he gets caught in his lies.”
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Thank you again multi-nic’d, for yet again proving that you have multiple, severe “problems”.
I have not lied.
And now. . . I’m just having fun reading some old files.
‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Don’t put beliefs as a statement on something I never wrote.”
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‘Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-710-2/#comment-382388
“The only thing that is happening at these sample stations that read nearly identical co2 levels is that they are calibrated as non-empirical samples.
In other words, they are submitted(sic) as bona fide samples the calibration gas, plus some imaginary weasel factors that the alarmist have dreamed up.
Instead of using actual data from actual sites where human lives, the alarmists have purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air.”
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Okay, according to multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
The data is “nearly identical”. . . “calibrated as non-empirical samples”.
Scientists submited as “bona fide samples the calibration gas” + “imaginary weasel factors, that the alarmist have dreamed up“.
The scientist’s CO2 data is “purified and indemnified virginal co2 levels literally out of thin air“.
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I’d say that ‘Regular’ said that the scientists are guilty of a global conspiracy to falsify the CO2 data.
Isn’t it interesting and predictable cosmos is trying to weasel out of his lies by trying to divert attention.
It ain’t working cosmos.
The more you post, the more people realize you are just putting up scam and spin.
They are your lies cosmos, you can sleep with the tonight and wake up to the crust of deception that has permanently attacked itself to your face.
I’m remembering the Republican primary here in Kansas “Regular”.
Some of the cons, Hank, Nathan, okobserver, got together to go and vote. I think they had breakfast or something.
They didn’t invite you.
I really do not wonder why.
Tah!
Oh and one more shot?
Nathan punked out at meeting you.
Because he thought I would be there.
Dud? You change your nic all the time. Change it to pinata.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 22, 2008 at 12:10 am | Permalink
“Isn’t it interesting and predictable cosmos is trying to weasel out of his lies by trying to divert attention.”
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Multi-nic’s multiple severe “problems” seem to prevent him from understanding what “lies” are.
Multi-nic’d has proven that he is a zero credibility LIAR, multiple times.
For example, multi-nic’d added a false, completely fictional last paragraph (aka LIES) to his copy/paste post here.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
And multi-nic’d also lied, by posting under JM Walker’s nic.
As far as global warming is concerned it may be real or it may not,frankly I don’t care either way. What I do care about is the fact that we have to find alternative sources of enery to stop our slavery to oil. There are all kinds of ideas floating around on which way is the best. I’m not sure that there is one best source I think it will probably wind up being a combination of several.
People need to pull their heads out and start pooling their ideas to break the oil dependence
Another example of multi-nic’d Regular’s false claims, re another poster here, and AGW science.
bth posted September 20, 2008 at 9:57 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/invent-baby-invent/#comment-429113
“Ben is just emphasizing way too much weight on political bias and not science.”
That is simply a blatant false statement. I rely upon the literature; not plitical surces.
”
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The WE Blog needs a credibility rating system.
Posters should not be allowed to LIE about other posters, climate science, the cause of levee failures, etc. . .
BlueJay,
Where do you get that I didn’t go because I thought you would be there?
Of the two of us, you are the only one who has said that you wouldn’t go anywhere I would be.
I am not the one with the problem here, you are. You were the coward who drove by.
Nathaniel,
Don’t you know he will not answer a direct question? Oh he will respond by deflecting,change the issue or when he is desperate make a personla attack. But an honest answer to an honest question is not what he is about
People, let’s catch a clue here, okay?
What in our economy has grown in the last 8 years?
Was it jobs? NO, we had a jobless recovery!
Was it manufacturing? NO, that was outsourced!
Was it innovation? NO, that was oursourced, too!
So what grew the U.S. economy in the last 8 years?
FINANCING! and that was pretty much it.
We, every last one of us, is responsible for the Bush fornication of our great country. Time to pay your penitence. Whips or more, your choice – but hey, we’ll get our money back. Yeah, right.
And the check’s in the mail
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BlueJay
Posted September 22, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink
I’m remembering the Republican primary here in Kansas “Regular”.
Some of the cons, Hank, Nathan, okobserver, got together to go and vote. I think they had breakfast or something.
They didn’t invite you.
I really do not wonder why.
Tah!
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Actually, they invited everyone.
I decided not to stand in the long lines as my back was acting up that day and was feeling a lot of discomfort.
So yet another lie told by BlueJay.
The lies just keep stacking up.
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