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A Republican wet dream in St. Paul, police in body armor on every street corner arresting and spraying peaceful citizens. Why do the Rethuglicans arrest a 51-year old veteran reporter? Because she isn’t part of the corporate media and that makes her dangerous.
Scenes from St. Paul — Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman arrested
Following up on this weekend’s extreme raids on various homes, at least 250 people were arrested here today in St. Paul, Minnesota. Beginning last night, St. Paul was the most militarized I have ever seen an American city be, even more so than Manhattan in the week of 9/11 — with troops of federal, state and local law enforcement agents marching around with riot gear, machine guns, and tear gas cannisters, shouting military chants and marching in military formations. Humvees and law enforcement officers with rifles were posted on various buildings and balconies. Numerous protesters and observers were tear gassed and injured. I’ll have video of the day’s events posted shortly.
Perhaps most extraordinarily, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now — the radio and TV broadcaster who has been a working journalist for close to 20 years — was arrested on the street and charged with “conspiracy to riot.” Audio of her arrest, which truly shocked and angered the crowd of observers, is here. I just attended a Press Conference with St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman and Police Chief John M. Harrington and — after they boasted of how “restrained” their police actions were — asked about the journalists and lawyers who had been detained and/or arrested both today and over the weekend. They said they wouldn’t give any information about journalists who had been arrested today, though they said they believed that “one journalist” had been, and that she “was seemingly a participant in the riots, not simply a non-participant.” I’ll have video of the Press Conference posted shortly.
More at:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/01/protests/index.html
Maybe this will do for the Reublicans what it did for the Democrats in ‘68
Doubtful, the corporate media will whitewash the events like they have done before, if they cover them at all. The sheeple will continue to believe whatever their godbox tells them.
It’s a pretty sad commentary on our ruling party that the only way they can feel safe from the people is to hold their convention in an armed camp. If they are as right as they believe they are,what is there to be afraid of?
We can see the difference between the two parties. Obama hold huge open air rallies and the security is light. There was an attempted assassination attempt and it was uncovered without having to put police on every street corner, breaking into homes, or gassing people pushing children in strollers.
On the other hand the Republicans had to resort to such tactics. If you have the support of the people you don’t need to oppress the people.
Scanning the headlines on Google they made a huge fuss over “violent anarchists” as if that was the status quo. 50,000 protesters, they arrest a few but the press concludes it is a violent protest. Probably things turn violent because you have a bunch of thugs in body armor spraying people for holding flowers.
If you have never read “Born On The 4th Of July by Ron Kovic I highly recommend it. There is a section in the book where he describes his treatment after he entered the Republican convention to voice his dissent that is of intrest in light of Maggotpunk’s article
Maggotpunk
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:05 am | Permalink
A Republican wet dream in St. Paul, police in body armor on every street corner arresting and spraying peaceful citizens. Why do the Rethuglicans arrest a 51-year old veteran reporter? Because she isn’t part of the corporate media and that makes her dangerous.
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Hey Cuz,
Did you take your dork pill today?
The Republicans aren’t out on the street doing law enforcement. It’s local law enforcement and National Guard.
Apparently the control is needed as one of the anarchist anti-war groups sprayed the Connecticut delegation with bleach in the eyes, including an 80 year old female delegate.
The “don’t taze me bro” whine from violent protesters ain’t gonna work when they attack innocent people.
inspirational video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iyDWvvkG64&NR=1
Hey maggot…did you forget Denver already? From the San Francisco chronicle…
“Every street is lined with officers on bikes, hanging off of sport utility vehicles, clad in riot helmets and padded gear head to toe. They are an army (no exaggeration) with helicopters, guns, batons, jeeps, tear gas and horses keeping Niketown and the Sheraton and the Pepsi Arena safe from a handful of malnourished and dread-locked sign toters.”
Gee…sounds like the Dems had themselves a bit of a “police state” as well…did you overlook that one, maggot? According to the news, there were “POLICE ON EVERY CORNER”..contrary to your utopian dream…the FACTS do not support your accusations.
What a surprise…
From the LA Times, referring to Denver DNC….
“On Monday night, police used pepper spray against a crowd of about 200 activists they said were blocking traffic; otherwise the daily demonstrations have drawn little notice.”
yep..seems in Maggots mind, the Republican convention is the ONLY one where protestors get sprayed..yep.
Myopic vision there, maggot??
mccain/ palin music vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvqyLC4xMzs
hehehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQGYchgLYdU
Yeah Doug… you wouldn’t see this headline in the normal media:
Dem cops cuff, stuff Christian girls
Sidewalk chalk messages challenged Obama’s moral positions”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73679
Good for the Minneapolis- St Paul police in quickly establishing control. Peaceful protests are free speech. But the masked anarchists throwing crap and breaking glass deserved to get pepper sprayed.
In Denver, protesters were allowed only in a designated fenced off area a ways from the convention center.
McCain campaign version of vetting: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin
palin’s husband’s DUI bust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5yO-IUR_xg
Wow, Moose.
Palin is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Now there’s strong evidence that she was indeed part of the Alaskan Independence Party that wants to secede from the Union.
Let’s get a WEB pool to see how long she lasts. I’m putting five dollars on a week from Friday.
Global Cooling update
Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century
The sun has reached a milestone not seen for nearly 100 years: an entire month has passed without a single visible sunspot being noted.
The event is significant as many climatologists now believe solar magnetic activity – which determines the number of sunspots — is an influencing factor for climate on earth.
According to data from Mount Wilson Observatory, UCLA, more than an entire month has passed without a spot. The last time such an event occurred was June of 1913. Sunspot data has been collected since 1749.
When the sun is active, it’s not uncommon to see sunspot numbers of 100 or more in a single month. Every 11 years, activity slows, and numbers briefly drop to near-zero. Normally sunspots return very quickly, as a new cycle begins.
But this year — which corresponds to the start of Solar Cycle 24 — has been extraordinarily long and quiet, with the first seven months averaging a sunspot number of only 3. August followed with none at all. The astonishing rapid drop of the past year has defied predictions, and caught nearly all astronomers by surprise.
In 2005, a pair of astronomers from the National Solar Observatory (NSO) in Tucson attempted to publish a paper in the journal Science. The pair looked at minute spectroscopic and magnetic changes in the sun. By extrapolating forward, they reached the startling result that, within 10 years, sunspots would vanish entirely. At the time, the sun was very active. Most of their peers laughed at what they considered an unsubstantiated conclusion.
The journal ultimately rejected the paper as being too controversial.
The paper’s lead author, William Livingston, tells DailyTech that, while the refusal may have been justified at the time, recent data fits his theory well. He says he will be “secretly pleased” if his predictions come to pass.
But will the rest of us? In the past 1000 years, three previous such events — the Dalton, Maunder, and Spörer Minimums, have all led to rapid cooling. One was large enough to be called a “mini ice age”. For a society dependent on agriculture, cold is more damaging than heat. The growing season shortens, yields drop, and the occurrence of crop-destroying frosts increases.
Meteorologist Anthony Watts, who runs a climate data auditing site, tells DailyTech the sunspot numbers are another indication the “sun’s dynamo” is idling. According to Watts, the effect of sunspots on TSI (total solar irradiance) is negligible, but the reduction in the solar magnetosphere affects cloud formation here on Earth, which in turn modulates climate.
This theory was originally proposed by physicist Henrik Svensmark, who has published a number of scientific papers on the subject. Last year Svensmark’s “SKY” experiment claimed to have proven that galactic cosmic rays — which the sun’s magnetic field partially shields the Earth from — increase the formation of molecular clusters that promote cloud growth. Svensmark, who recently published a book on the theory, says the relationship is a larger factor in climate change than greenhouse gases.
Solar physicist Ilya Usoskin of the University of Oulu, Finland, tells DailyTech the correlation between cosmic rays and terrestrial cloud cover is more complex than “more rays equals more clouds”. Usoskin, who notes the sun has been more active since 1940 than at any point in the past 11 centuries, says the effects are most important at certain latitudes and altitudes which control climate. He says the relationship needs more study before we can understand it fully.
Other researchers have proposed solar effects on other terrestrial processes besides cloud formation. The sunspot cycle has strong effects on irradiance in certain wavelengths such as the far ultraviolet, which affects ozone production. Natural production of isotopes such as C-14 is also tied to solar activity. The overall effects on climate are still poorly understood.
What is incontrovertible, though, is that ice ages have occurred before. And no scientist, even the most skeptical, is prepared to say it won’t happen again.
http://www.dailytech.com/Sun+Makes+History+First+Spotless+Month+in+a+Century/article12823.htm
Also, it looks like the “abstinice only” sex ed didn’t work for Palin’s unmarried daughter.
She’s five months pregnant.
Oh well, at least she didn’t commit the sin of using birth control, thank God.
:roll:
James Dobson must be kicking himself for the hours he spent licking this woman’s high heels.
James Dobson who asked his viewers to pray for bad weather when Obama announced his acceptance speech would be in an outdoor venue.
He needs to check his connections.
Hehehe, no kidding, Linda.
The weather was perfect for Obama’s speech.
Plus God sent the hurricanes to disrupt the RepubliCON CONvention.
According to the right-wing fundies, this apparently means He wants Obama to win.
Who is going to give Chrome a try? I can’t remember a Google product that didn’t’ impress, but I sure do like Firefox and always drag my feet on change when it comes to technology which easily boggles my abilities.
If Palin started a war for Alaskan independence, and the lower 48 fought to keep it in the Union, would the conflict then be called, the War of Southern Aggression?
Dig Doug Dumber has a clouded view of the world, per usual. Security at the DNC rivaled that of Ft. Knox – the Denver PD, CO State Police, CO National Guard AND the Secret Service.
wow nut,
way to put the dougster down dude,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OnnUTK7QjI
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3 tablespoons finely chopped onion
1 (15.5 ounce) can black beans, drained and rinsed
1 (10 ounce) can whole kernel corn, drained
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1/4 cup salsa
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2 tablespoons butter, divided
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Heat oil in a large saucepan over medium heat. Stir in onion, and cook until softened, about 2 minutes. Stir in beans and corn, then add sugar, salsa, and pepper flakes; mix well. Cook until heated through, about 3 minutes.
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Why do liberals try to shut down democracy, the process and free speech, at every turn?
Are you better off than you were 8 years ago. Average Americans say “no.”
NEW YORK – This Labor Day finds workers in worse shape than they’ve been in years, according to a scorecard released Monday by Rutgers University.
In its first national labor scorecard, the Rutgers School of Management and Labor Relations said more than 10 percent of Americans are unemployed, discouraged from seeking work or underemployed. That is a nearly 25-percent increase from one year earlier.
Professor Douglas Kruse, a labor economist who created the scorecard, said a sharp decline in the number of Americans able to find full-time jobs, along with growing consumer debt and health care costs, were causes for concern.
• The median weekly earnings for American workers have not grown in real terms over the last eight years.
• At $6.55, the federal minimum wage is worth 40 cents less per hour, in inflation-adjusted dollars, than it was a decade ago.
• While employer-assisted childcare and employee wellness programs have grown quickly over the last decade, they still cover less than one quarter of American workers.
• Roughly 4 percent of the workforce wants to work full-time, but is working part time because they can’t find full-time work.
The scorecard, which doesn’t assign grades but charts whether indicators are improving or getting worse, is based primarily on data from the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Dem cops cuff, stuff Christian girls
With a nice little quote from Wichita’s own Troy Newman!
KapnAmerika,
if it is “its first national labor scorecard”
how did they arrive at “finds workers in worse shape than they’ve been in years?”
Is that like going fishing once, and saying there aren’t as many fish as there used to be…..
Lefties
Your “heros” protesting at the Republican convention are burning trash, pushing burning trash bins into police vehicles. Your “heros” are also breaking store windows and deliberately holding up traffic, slashing tires.
The MAYOR of St. Paul is a Democrat.
Much like Mayor Dailey, in Chicago, in 1968.
Give it a rest propagandaPunk
Palin on Ron Paul: “Right On!’
In a February interview with MTV, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin lavished praise on maverick Republican presidential contender Ron Paul.
She had a few nice things to say about another GOP candidate, Mitt Romney.
But Palin made no mention of John McCain.
Now that McCain is the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, he has selected Palin as his prospective running-mate for vice president.
McCain calls Palin his political “soul-mate.”
But, in February, at a point when McCain was closing in on the Republican nomination, it sure sounded like she was sweet on Paul.
The governor, who sported a Pat Buchanan pin at a 1999 rally for the renegade Republican presidential candidate (Pat says: “She’s a great choice for the base … She’s a Buchananite”), described the anti-war, libertarian-leaning congressman from Texas as “cool.”
“He’s a good guy,” she continued. “He’s so independent. He’s independent of the party machine. I’m like, ‘Right on, so am I.’”
Conveniently, Paul — who refuses to endorse McCain — will be holding an outside-the-convention “Rally for the Republic,” which is expected to draw thousands of his ardent supporters to the Target Center in Minneapolis on Tuesday.
Perhaps Palin will join them.
Or is she now with the party machine?
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/351293
Your right Capn,
Are you better off than 8 years ago. From a con source
Are feds stockpiling survival food?
‘These circumstances certainly raise red flags’
Posted: July 25, 2008
12:30 am Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A Wall Street Journal columnist has advised people to “start stockpiling food” and an ABC News Report says “there are worrying signs appearing in the United States where some … locals are beginning to hoard supplies.” Now there’s concern that the U.S. government may be competing with consumers for stocks of storable food.
“We’re told that the feds bought the entire container of canned butter when it hit the California docks. (Something’s up!),” said officials at Best Prices Storable Foods in an advisory to customers.
Spokesman Bruce Hopkins told WND he also has had trouble obtaining No. 10 cans of various products from one of the world’s larger suppliers of food stores, Oregon Freeze Dry.
Violent protests for peace?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09022008/news/nationalnews/protest_turns_into_mini_riot_127101.htm
National Guard has to help with violent anti-war protests:
http://www.twincities.com/rnc/ci_10356224?nclick_check=1
Some of the protesters in St Paul could be Ron Paul supporters, he is holding a counter convention since the GOP wouldn’t let him speak.
How, exactly, do you “lead” anarchists?
‘Global warming of the past 30 years is over’
July 20, 2008 – By Geologist Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Emeritus Professor at Western Washington University, who has authored eight books and 150 journal publications.
Excerpt: Addressing the Washington Policymakers in Seattle, WA, Dr. Don Easterbrook said that shifting of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) from its warm mode to its cool mode virtually assures global cooling for the next 25-30 years and means that the global warming of the past 30 years is over.
The announcement by NASA that the (PDO) had shifted from its warm mode to its cool mode (Fig. 1) is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007) and is not an oddity superimposed upon and masking the predicted severe warming by the IPCC. This has significant implications for the future and indicates that the IPCC climate models were wrong in their prediction of global temperatures soaring 1°F per decade for the rest of the century.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200808211777/energy-and-environment/global-cooling-global-warming-has-ended-scientists-agree.html
Some of the protesters in St Paul could be Ron Paul supporters,
We are a peaceful lot. Not prone to violence.
“How, exactly, do you “lead” anarchists?”
Depends on how fast they’re running….
Heh, heh..
Bush to Address Convention Tonight
Topping the revised agenda will be an address by President Bush, scheduled for 9:30 p.m. EDT via satellite remote.
Convention officials said other prime-time speakers will be Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson and Connecticut Sen Joe Lieberman.
Thompson was inserted in place of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenneger, who canceled his appearance due to a state budget battle.
Both Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney canceled their speaking slots Monday.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/01/bush-to-address-convention-tonight/
annie_moose
Posted September 2, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink
Are feds stockpiling survival food?
‘These circumstances certainly raise red flags’
Posted: July 25, 2008
12:30 am Eastern
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKVJzgb8h7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sk5IuIjr1E
annie_moose
Posted September 2, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink
Are feds stockpiling survival food?
‘These circumstances certainly raise red flags’
Posted: July 25, 2008
12:30 am Eastern
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More reasons to stockpile butter….
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1302/1185614567_e6d772e3a3.jpg?v=0
>Dem cops cuff, stuff Christian girls
With a nice little quote from Wichita’s own Troy Newman!<
Troy Boy has to seize any opportunity to get his name in print. His quote in this case makes the story no less credible.
Mr. Kia,
A hearty well deserved hehehehe
Now we know why Russia hasn’t attacked the homeland yet, they’d first have to get through the Alaskan N.G., and SARAH PALIN! I feel safer already.
“Barack Obama has never dealt with a legislature as an executive,” Gleason argued. She also was commander in chief of the National Guard, no small task given it’s proximity to Russia. “If the bear ever comes, he’s coming that way,” he said”
More fun with Palin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Aj2w0OdiIM
I thought Republican ditto heads were supposed to turn Denver into the Chicago Convention, looks like it is their convention that arouses the passions of the masses!
Palin’s a barracuda up there in the boonies in Alaska.
Drunk on power and firing government officials at will.
She’s swimming in the big pond now. Or rather, she’s outta the pond.
Pinata Palin.
for outlander and sol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pia4i5sr0o0
firing government officials at will.
Examples of the plural?
Do your own research solie.
As mayor of that little town, she fired the police chief for disagreeing with her.
So, statements you won’t back up then BlueJay. Got it.
I don’t have to back it up if it is true.
Here’s your chance to make me a liar solie.
Knock yourself out.
peta approved coat for the global cooling crowd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfsesw4FtwE
Wednesday the corrupt, biased, bought-off Sedgwick County District Attorney’s Office informed Mark Gietzen, Chairman of the Kansas Coalition for Life, that they would NOT bring any charges, whatsoever, against violent abortionist quack George Tiller, in connection with the vehicular assault that occurred on April 5, 2006, in spite of the fact that Wichita Police obtained security camera images of the incident, which clearly show Tiller running his vehicle into Gietzen as he stood outside of Tiller’s abortion mill entrance, causing painful leg injuries that required several weeks to heal. Tiller did not stop his vehicle after striking Gietzen, nor did he render assistance or call for medical aid. Furthermore, the security camera photos submitted to the court by Tiller had obviously been altered or tampered with.
The next time Tiller snaps like that, he might kill someone besides a defenseless baby. If a dead pro-lifer is found someday outside Tiller’s entrance, with Jeep tread marks on their face, we’ll all know what happened.
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New surveys of women in New Zealand have found that nearly 1 in 10 pregnant women experienced violence during pregnancy, and that women who experienced domestic violence were 2.5 times more likely to abort than women who were not victims of violence. 43% of women who experienced violence while pregnant reported being punched or kicked in the abdomen, usually by the father of the unborn baby. Studies in the USofA have found that violence is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, and that pregnant women are more at risk for violence. Anecdotal evidence found that in many cases, women were assaulted or killed for refusing to abort or because the attacker did not want the baby.
64% of abortions involve coercion, 84% were not fully informed, 52% felt rushed and 54% uncertain beforehand, yet 67% received no counseling beforehand, and 79% were not informed about alternatives. Coercion can escalate to violence, and homicide is the leading killer of pregnant women.
This is the unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortion industry that Obamanation dictated into the Democrat Party Platform this year – supposedly for the benefit of women.
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Two young girls were brutally attacked by police Wednesday evening without warning as they were chalking the sidewalk with pro-life messages outside the Westin Hotel where Obamanation was staying, with the permission of the city attorney and deputy police chief, as in the previous days. Jayne White, 17, and Julia Giacopuzzi, 15, were knocked to the ground, kneed in the back, handcuffed, and painfully dragged away by cowardly, pro-abortion Denver police, then later released. To what purpose, other than intimidation terror, and denial of First Amendment rights for pro-lifers? What kind of message is that, that Democrats will order police to put your children’s face in the pavement and haul them to jail if you dare to speak out against legalized infanticide, against Obbamanation’s favored method of live-birth abortion?
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50 pro-life demonstrators marched on Portland, OR City Hall on Friday to protest construction of a new Planned Parenthood abortion mill in Northeast Portland. Protesters objected to Planned Parenthood’s moving their abortion mill from an area of low black population to an area of high black population, as a means to further reduce the black population by selling abortions in their neighborhood.
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The Republican Party platform this year will retain a strong, pro-life plank, including a complete ban on any and all human cloning and useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research, as well as a Human Life Amendment for the abolition of the abortion industry in the USofA.
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“My belief is parents have the right to know about the health and welfare of their children.”
. . . Gov. Sarah Palin, denouncing the leftist, activist, baby-hating Alaska Supreme “court” for striking down the parental consent abortion restriction enacted by elected Alaskan lawmakers
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An abandoned newborn baby found by a six-year-old girl in bushes in Syracuse, NY on Thursday was in stable condition when treated at University Hospital. The mother, when found, will likely face charges, like misdemeanor endangerment of the welfare of a child.
50 pro-life demonstrators marched on Portland, OR City Hall on Friday
all at the same time?
Palin Almost Recalled As Mayor
Did they even do anything CLOSE to vetting Sarah Palin?
The other day, I wrote about how Sarah Palin was nothing more than a two-bit hack, given the investigation into her abuse of power as Governor, firing the Public Safety Commissioner when he wouldn’t fire her ex-brother-in-law, lied about pressuring the guy to do so, and then showed keen judgment by replacing him with someone who had to resign in two weeks because of sexual harassment problems.
Seems that Palin honed this skill back as Mayor of Wasilla, where she was nearly recalled, for firing the Police Chief and Library Director for not supporting her in her 1996 race for Mayor.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palin-almost-recalled-as_b_122769.html
Palin’s swift rise wins both admirers, enemies
Her critics say that Palin often appears to be better at crafting her image than digging down into the policy details that make government work.
They note that Palin failed to appear at four major debates conducted during the 2006 general-election campaign that pitted her against former Gov. Tony Knowles and Andrew Halcro, an independent. Knowles said that when Palin did show up for debates, she typically kept a stack of cards cached behind her lectern’s nameplate. Knowles said they were color-coded for different topics, full of notes, and that Palin constantly referred to them as she answered questions.
“When the questions came up, she would roll her fingers down to the right area … ,” Knowles said. “It was quite bizarre.”
Knowles also recalls one memorable debate in Ketchikan, when the national press had pounced on a giant federal earmark to fund a $233 million bridge connecting this southeast Alaska town to an island airport. It had been dubbed “the bridge to nowhere,” and attacked by Sen. John McCain and others as a shameful example of misguided pork-barrel spending.
During that debate, Knowles, local reporters and politicians recall, Palin was quick to back the bridge. “We’re going to make a good team as we progress that bridge project,” she was quoted in the Ketchikan Daily News in September 2006.
In September 2007, Congress finally appropriated money for major Alaska projects, with no dollar amount specified for the bridge but containing enough funds to cover its construction.
Palin accepted the federal money but then directed it to other projects, and she announced her decision to scuttle the bridge project in a pre-dawn press statement released to meet East Coast media deadlines, according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein.
Many in Ketchikan feel betrayed, the mayor said.
More at:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008151136_palin01m0.html
Is anyone going to demofest? I haven’t decided yet.
You beat me to it, Linda. LOL
The more that comes to light on Palin the more I wonder,did anyone do a background check on her other than bloggers and if they did do one they would have had to know all this was going to come to light at some point.
I think at some poiint that someone in the Mcain camp is going to figure out instead of an asset she is a liability. If Mcains numbers continue to fall look for her to bow out “for the good of the party”
Freebird, she has MUCH attention now! Even McCain’s camp has people vetting her (FINALLY!).
She is drawing much more attention than any known candidate would have.
When McCain decided to put his ambitions first and his country last, he opened the floodgates!
Freebird1971
Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink
The more that comes to light on Palin the more I wonder,did anyone do a background check on her other than bloggers…
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Actually, they did do a background check and found out the truth rather than the spew the Daily Kos and other Lib Websites are spewing.
But keep on with the rumors and character assassinations, it’s so cool when duh Dems are proven wrong.
For the good of the party? Nah, “family emergency”.
“Baracuda” Sarah was never vetted. Well, not until those 8 guys in suits showed up in Wasilla to check out the newspaper archives.
Is McCain now wishing he’d learned how to “use the Google”?
Amen, Regular.
I’m still having a good chuckle at the democrat blogosphere who was CERTAIN that Palin’s fifth child was actually her grandchild.
What will those idiots think up next?
Predestined
Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink
For the good of the party? Nah, “family emergency”.
“Baracuda” Sarah was never vetted. Well, not until those 8 guys in suits showed up in Wasilla to check out the newspaper archives.
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Those 8 guys in suits might want to be careful. Alaska is a very large place and it might be years before their bones are found near a polar bear feeding area. :D
I’d say when the experience folder is very slim and dotted with investigations, there need to be MORE investigations! ;-)
America has had it “up to here” with incompetence and using political office for personal gain. Seems Palin isn’t an agent for change that makes sense or improvements in government, just change that suits her personal vendetta.
So we have an incompetent who has proven to have no judgment and no concern for our country in McCain who wants t be a bush third term, and Palin who uses makes her own decisins about which laws she needs to follow for the third term of cheney.
Didn’t realize giving one’s opinion is character assassination. Show me in my post where I even besmirched her character,let alone committed character assassination
Why would she bow out now?
She’s already ruined her daughter’s life.
And? Given her demonstrated capacity for leaning on people?
I’d bet you shotguns are present at the wedding of Bristol and groom whose name will be made famous if he does not show up.
Geez that poor kid. A little innocent teenage fun and he’s caught up in the brief career of a hack politician. I wonder if we ever get to hear HIS story.
Likely he will be afraid to tell it.
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Freebird1971
Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink
Didn’t realize giving one’s opinion is character assassination. Show me in my post where I even besmirched her character,let alone committed character assassination
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Wasn’t referring particularly to you, but all those who spread false stores about a minor especially.
Even though Obama has said it’s off-limits, the radical left on this blog keep repeating it.
I find that must mean they are desperate or just attention whores.
Seems a good time to mention RCP Poll of Polls average has Obama up 6 points.
The electoral map looks good too!
maybe the GOP Convention can bring about a bump. ;-)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
Maybe not bow out,try forced out if new information keeps coming to light. That kid’s life is ruined,thanks to Mom’s ambitions
But family emergency does make her sound more sympathetic
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Freebird1971
Posted September 2, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink
Maybe not bow out,try forced out if new information keeps coming to light. That kid’s life is ruined,thanks to Mom’s ambitions
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Was Palin supposed to sit in the backseat of the car on her daughter’s dates?
Teen pregnancies happen in the best of families. You didn’t hear Obama speak about it? Obama’s mother was 18 years old when Barak Junior was born. Which means, depending on the month, Barak Junior’s mother was a child bride of 17-18 years old.
Hypocrites
What do think your daughter would feel about you if you announced to the world that she was pregnant and not married. Don’t you think there might be a few hard feelings and psychological damage?
“Regular” whines –
“Was Palin supposed to sit in the backseat of the car on her daughter’s dates?”
That might be the only way Abstinence-Only might work in the real world.
palin the first secessionist nominated for vp since alexander stephen in 1861. alaska first!
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Freebird1971
Posted September 2, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink
What do think your daughter would feel about you if you announced to the world that she was pregnant and not married. Don’t you think there might be a few hard feelings and psychological damage?
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I wouldn’t have a problem with it. If I raised my daughter correctly, although chagrined, I doubt she would have a problem with it either – being as in this case, she will be married and has decided to keep the baby.
It’s one of life’s natural occurrences.
To look at it any other way is immature and just mean to mock it or question the decision of the parents and the daughter.
Michael Phelps to use $1 million bonus to start charity -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26506320/
A true hero.
Worldnet takes on vegan terrorists
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.
Estrogens are female hormones. If you’re a woman, you’re flooding your system with a substance it can’t handle in surplus. If you’re a man, you’re suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your “female side,” physically and mentally.
In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.
If you’re a grownup, you’re already developed, and you’re able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren’t so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you’re giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby’s endocrine system just can’t cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.
Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That’s why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today’s rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products. (Most babies are bottle-fed during some part of their infancy, and one-fourth of them are getting soy milk!) Homosexuals often argue that their homosexuality is inborn because “I can’t remember a time when I wasn’t homosexual.” No, homosexuality is always deviant. But now many of them can truthfully say that they can’t remember a time when excess estrogen wasn’t influencing them.
Linda,
I don’t know, the electoral map looks way too much like Kerry v. Bush.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
Obama has to do more than take the Northeast and coastal west. 125 electoral votes are in the “Toss Up” category?
Why isn’t Obama playing better in the south? I was hoping for an electoral map that looked like 1964. Given the gifts from Bush, that is how it should look.
The GILF was too busy in Juneau to be a parent to Bristol back in Wasilla.
Imagine if Bristol had asked her mom for birth control advice.
Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality.
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That would explain why I keep switching to the ‘fashion channel.’
Steven, you can find electoral maps that look much better! I like RCP because it is a compilation of all the polls and boy do they vary. I’m still not sure about polls, but if you take them all and get an average I feel that might give a more accurate picture.
You can’t make this stuff up!
From the GILF’s Candidate Questionnaire for Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum:
Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life! If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
The McKlondike Snow Bunny — The gaffe that keeps on giving.
Palin did say Thanks, but No Thaks to the bridge to nowhere.
Thanks- when Ted Stevens was getting the funding.
No Thanks= when the Bridge to Nowhere became the poster child for ear marks.
But every penny of that money was accepted! It just didn’t build the bridge.
She was for the bridge before she was against the bridge.
It is refreshing to see that Obama has a lot more class than a lot of posters here…saying that the kids are NOT part of the discussions, and some things should remain private.
Too bad people here can’t take a hint about common decency from Obama.
“If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.”
Linkiepoo
You can’t make this stuff up, either:
News of Mrs Palin’s former membership comes as the latest in a string of potentially embarrassing disclosures about her past.
The party has lobbied since the 1970s for the right to hold a referendum on whether Alaska should secede from the United States. Its motto, “Alaska First”, contrasts sharply with the John McCain campaign slogan: “Country First.”
It seeks “the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska” and aims to be “self-sufficient” by using profits from Alaskan oil and gas resources. It claims that the vote held in 1958 which led to Alaska becoming the 49th state of the US was corrupt and did not offer a proper choice.
While it is thought that Mrs Palin officially left the party to become a Republican in 1996, she recorded an address for its convention earlier this year in which she said: “I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state” and told members to “keep up the good work”.
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP), confirmed to ABC News that Mrs Palin and her husband Todd had both been both members and attended at least one party convention.
“When she joined the party our platform was right under her nose,” Mrs Clark said. “I can’t understand why in God’s name she has aligned herself with a candidate who opposes the development of our republic and Alaska’s resource wealth,” she added.
In a video recorded at this year’s party convention, Dexter Clark, the party’s vice chairman, can be seen telling delegates: “The situation is completely out of hand, the decay of the federal government is totally complete.”
He tells them that in order to propagate AIP policy they “should infiltrate” mainstream parties. “Whichever party in that area [in which] you can get something done, get into that political party, even though it does have its problems,” he says.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2667214/John-McCains-running-mate-Sarah-Palin-was-in-Alaskan-independence-party.html
The GILF will probably need that bridge. She’s headed nowhere.
So, she was for secession before she was against it.
“Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life! If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.”
Uh … wasn’t that added much later? No founding fathers involved?
Palin/mccain team will get buried in an avalanche, in Nov.!
Palin wins my vote thanks to all the aggressive speculating pre-judging vetters on this blog.
I really appreciate all the “concern” the democrats are showing for McCain and his vetting process. It feels good to know the Dems are interested in McCain selecting the best possible candidate as a running mate.
The “pledge of allegiance” was written by a socialist in 1893?, I think. “Under god” was rammed thru by Congressional Republicans in 1954 as an attack against “godless communism” (and also to affirm the usual irrational bigotry against atheists).
Such ignorance of basic historical facts is expected within such types, though. It goes hand-in-hand with the total scientific ignorance necessary to support teaching “creation science” in the schools, or to ignore the pretty damn convincing case of human influence over the Earth’s climate.
bth
Posted September 2, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink
“Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life! If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.”
Uh … wasn’t that added much later? No founding fathers involved?
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Yes but God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence.
“Raptor” –
This isn’t about Bristol, it’s about John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term).
This is the worst presidential-level appointment since Harriet Mier was Dumbya’s pick for the SCOTUS.
Word is out that McC*nt wanted ol’ Joe Lieberman as a running mate but Karl Rove nixed it. Rove wanted Mittens on the ticket but the Li’l Admrial wanted Tom Ridge. The advocates for illegal abortion had a hissy fit so McBush sold out and chose the twice-borns’ Snow Queen.
That’s what the Republic Party deserves for letting people like Phyllis Schlafly and Rush Limbaugh vet your nominee.
Maybe the 1954 Republicans “channeled” the Founding fathers.
bth
Posted September 2, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink
“Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life! If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.”
Uh … wasn’t that added much later? No founding fathers involved?
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And I bet she knows how many states we have.
I smell fear. Smells like…..democrap.
The left goes the most nuts when they are in a panic. Sarah Palin has induced a lot of Pant Schiding Hysterics. And it’s funny.
teehee
bth
Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
Maybe the 1954 Republicans “channeled” the Founding fathers.
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Eisenhower said
These words [“under God”] will remind Americans that despite our great physical strength we must remain humble. They will help us to keep constantly in our minds and hearts the spiritual and moral principles which alone give dignity to man, and upon which our way of life is founded.
How dare they.
Speaking of science. I suppose McCain won’t be able to answer until he figures out what the word science rally means. I wouldn’t recommend he ask his running mate!
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“A couple months ago, Scientists and Engineers for America, Science Debate 2008, and a bunch of other science organizations sent McCain, Obama, and all the Congressional candidates a bunch of questions on science and technology. Topics included biosecurity, genetics research, and national security, as well as the more common questions on research and education. Well, Senator Obama just answered.” Senator McCain has not responded to the questionnaire at this point in time, but the site has a profile of his views and actions relating to science policy, which provides a good basis for comparing the candidates’ stances. We’ve previously discussed the differences between the two candidates’ technology platforms.
Here are Obama’s answers:
http://sharp.sefora.org/people/presidential-candidates/barack-obama-presidential-candidate/
Regardingg Republican strategy, A Democrat avers:
“This is the worst presidential-level appointment since Harriet Mier was Dumbya’s pick for the SCOTUS.”
Thanks for your so esteemed perspective Monkeyhawk!
Monkeyhawk says she is the worst! That means John McCain scored huge with this pick.
“Mr_Kia” –
That would be 49 states if the GILF had stayed with the secessionist Alaskan Independence Party.
So much for McC*nt’s “Country First” slogan.
I think they are in McCain’s words — soul mates. They both have a great deal more ambition than judgment.
I suggest actually reading the Declaration of Independence. The sentiment is far different from the exclusionary nature of “one nation under god.”
http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
Heckler
Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink
I smell fear. Smells like…..democrap.
The left goes the most nuts when they are in a panic. Sarah Palin has induced a lot of Pant Schiding Hysterics. And it’s funny.
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I agree.
When smart people have nothing else to say, they say stupid things.
“Why isn’t Obama playing better in the south?” — Steven Davis.
Race.
Rage
Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
I suggest actually reading the Declaration of Independence. The sentiment is far different from the exclusionary nature of “one nation under god.”
http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
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How is One Nation Under God exclusionary?
Even the Messiah (Obama) acknowledges a Creator and an all paths lead to God type view.
It’s not One Nation Under Jesus Christ or anything.
I Hate You Sarah Palin
snip
But, seriously, just look at the negatives: she’s a popular first-term governor, she’s a woman, she’s happily married, she has five kids, one of them with Down’s syndrome, she’s a maverick, she’s from way beyond the Beltway, she’s taken on both the Republican Party and Big Oil, she shoots automatic weapons, she can kill a moose with a butter knife and fillet a sea lion with a smile, her husband’s a roustabout Eskimo snowmobile champ, she’s a hockey mom, she was Miss Wasilla, she looks like she should be playing Cecily, the saucy librarian, in Tom Stoppard’s Travesties, and she doesn’t wear pantsuits. Heck, she hasn’t even appeared yet on Meet the Press! I mean, who in his right mind would vote for her?
Sure, if she were one of ours, not only would we have nominated her by acclamation, since she fulfills every trope of feminism except for her unfortunate and inexplicable opposition to murdering unborn children, we would also have made at least two TV movies about her life, celebrating her choice to have her fifth child and the announcement yesterday that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is pregnant and is going to marry the teenage father of her child. That’s the kind of heartwarming, inclusive, empowering story we love — she’s like Juno come to life as Juneau, set in Mystery, Alaska.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2YzODI3MGE3OTU0Yjg5ZDY5YmFjZmE3MmFiOWE4ZjQ=
funny stuff that there. Read the whole thing.
from the above link
But sometimes the mask slips and you can see — whoops! — how much we hate you. Normally we’re against hate in all its forms, and embrace tolerance as one of our defining moral attributes. But when it comes to you conservatives, well, with the best will in the world, we just can’t tolerate you.
Any liberals planning on watching the RNC? I think I may tune in to watch Palin, might be the only one I watch (might have to push the mute button though!).
Anyone curious about Obama’s trip to Pakistan in 1981? How did he get the Indonesian passport with out rejecting his US Citizenship?
1981 Pakistan. Under military rule when all non-Muslims were not welcome.
Beyond the obvious horse race snapshot, polling is far too nuanced and complicated for television reporters (much less, their audience).
For example, pollsters tend to weight results by reducing the value of some respondents. If you’re 25 or younger you’re not likely to calculated as a “likely voter,” because young people traditionally don’t show up at the polls in great numbers. Forget that Obama’s organization has been powerful on college campuses, etc. Newly-registered voters aren’t considered “likely” voters since many have never voted before. Fact is, Obama’s strategy has been strong at registering new voters.
Word was out that John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) has expanded media buys in what used to be considered slam-dunk Red states. They wouldn’t be spending that money if they felt their base was solid.
The Pain of Palin.
I wonder how the CONs are going to justify dumping her now that they’ve defended her with such vehemence.
Just say no . . . to birth control . . . Meet GRANDMA Palin.
Oil down thirty some bucks, has there been some new oil flooding the market? Has demand fallen off enough to justify the change in price? Or, rather, is it that speculative bubble has burst. Last time we saw prices fall mysteriously like this was before the 06 elections.
Phantom – I figure I’ll watch some – about the same amount as I watched the DNC.
Phantom
Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
Oil down thirty some bucks, has there been some new oil flooding the market? Has demand fallen off enough to justify the change in price? Or, rather, is it that speculative bubble has burst. Last time we saw prices fall mysteriously like this was before the 06 elections
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There’s a thing called the summer driving season, maybe you’ve heard of it?
Also, Bush’s failed policies also have led to some strengthing of the dollar.
How is One Nation Under God exclusionary?
Even the Messiah (Obama) acknowledges a Creator and an all paths lead to God type view.
It’s not One Nation Under Jesus Christ or anything.
I haven’t Obama say anything like that, but that’s entirely beside the point.
It matters not one whit whether it’s under God, under Vishnu, under L. Ron Hubbard, under the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or under “Bob.” It’s in plain declaration that our unity in dependent on some set or sets of monotheistic beliefs, which is profound uh-American.
Jefferson would have been livid.
f we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? …Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814
My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
Good afternoon all. Mr Kia. Your argument about the summer driving season does not correspond with the timeline of oil price drops. The price started to drop in early July. Your argument doesn’t work.
Also your notion that the term God is in the declaration of independence is wrong. The term is “creator” this was due to the strong freemason influence at the time of the framing of the constitution. Well over 1/3 of the framers were freemasons.
I’ve always wondered how God feels about us pledging our allegiance to a flag.
“SolDevVB” veers into –
“Anyone curious about Obama’s trip to Pakistan in 1981?”
No.
And, btw, 1992 called. Lee Atwater wants his “Bill Clinton went to Russia” talking-point back.
I’ll watch some, Phantom, if I can wrestle the TV from the 18-year-old. It depends on how much extra time I have.
Will Gov. Palin use the same speech she’s now given twice? Haven’t heard a third one yet, so I can’t say about that one.
“lindainks55″ posits –
“I’ve always wondered how God feels about us pledging our allegiance to a flag.”
You’d think that might come under the “graven images” Commandment, wouldn’t you?
But remember: A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn’t mean your take every word literally.
i>I’ve always wondered how God feels about us pledging our allegiance to a flag.
Jehovah’s witnesses believe it’s worshipping a “graven image.” They had to go to court to end the practice of forcing their children to say it, resulting in a landmark Supreme Court precedent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
As Justice Jackson put it, “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion, or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0319_0624_ZO.html
P.S. By the way, “under God” was not part of the pledge then. . .
“Any liberals planning on watching the RNC?”
Only if I can’t find any wet paint or copulating flies.
What the new line of defense has not made it here yet?
Why Sarah Palin did her daughter a favor dontcha know.
Fatmouth Limbaugh says it would have been TERRIBLE for Bristol to have lived with the knowledge that mom didn’t take the nomination.
So Sarah Palin was RIGHT to make her daughter the most famous pregnant teenager in America! Yayyyyyy!
The gas price jumped last week in anticipation of Gustav. Remember, most of the Gulf is littered with off-shore drilling rigs and floating refineries. Now that the threat is over (for now) gas (and oil spec) prices are dropping again.
I’m willing to bet (and bet heavily) that Sarah’s speech tomorrow night will be spectacular. I’ll certainly be watching.
And I’ll equally bet that the VP debate will likely be the highest watched in history.
“Any liberals planning on watching the RNC?”
I’ll try, but no guarantees. Even with streaming audio, I missed Dennis Kucinich’s speech earlier. :(
“Predestined” –
Is that the “snow machine” racer speech.
(What’s that mean, anyway? He either races snowmobiles or plows, I guess.)
Phenomenal political rhetoric, that.
Winston Churchill gets all sorts of credit for that “Iron Curtain” thingy while the GILF talks about “snow machines.”
Only a simpleton would think that the loyalty to our country that we proclaim by pledging allegiance to the flag would somehow be confused with “worshipping a graven image.”
Yet another ridiculous assertion by the loony left.
Being a bastard son himself, I would think that The One and his believers would be more concerned about his VP picks “vetting.” Isn’t one of the biden boys a lobbyist that just got about 3.5 mil in earmarks backed and pushed for by The One? Talk about your “october surprise!”
Thought so….
LLTVET
Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
Good afternoon all. Mr Kia. Your argument about the summer driving season does not correspond with the timeline of oil price drops. The price started to drop in early July. Your argument doesn’t work.
Also your notion that the term God is in the declaration of independence is wrong. The term is “creator” this was due to the strong freemason influence at the time of the framing of the constitution. Well over 1/3 of the framers were freemasons.
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Oil prices are based on speculation. 2-3 months down the road. A barrel of oil purchased today does not get in my gas tank tomorrow.
And what of Bush’s failed economic policies among the strengthing US dollar?
God or that of a higher power (God) is mentioned in the following ways in the DOI:
God
Creator
Supreme Judge of the world
Divine Providence
‘It’s Pacific Decadal Oscillation’
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Pacific-Decadal-Oscillation.htm
“KSGolfnut
Posted September 2, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
Only a simpleton would think that the loyalty to our country that we proclaim by pledging allegiance to the flag would somehow be confused with “worshipping a graven image.”
Yet another ridiculous assertion by the loony left.”
I don’t think Jehovah’s Witnesses are exactly “left”
That’s right, “KSGolfnut” –
We keep it a secret that Jehova’s Witnesses are a secret cabal of the “loony left.”
Yet another ridiculous assertion by the loony left.
I had no idea that Jehovah’s Witnesses were the “loony left.” Thanks for the edification.
It’s just a piece of cloth to this patriot but, unlike you, I respect the religious freedoms of those whose views differ from mine.
Yes, even you flag-worshippers.
“I’m willing to bet (and bet heavily) that Sarah’s speech tomorrow night will be spectacular. I’ll certainly be watching” — Gnut.
don’t forget the lube.
Perhaps I should have posted this quote: “You’d think that might come under the “graven images” Commandment, wouldn’t you?”
I’m convinced now that Parkay is actually Gietzen. He seems really more fake buttery p’d off than normal over being ‘run over’.
Oh poor Mark.
Listen, I”m glad you’re on board with the violence against pregnant women. I’m sure you’ll do as much work with US on the issue to stop violence against women.
However isn’t it rather hypocritical to insist that a woman who decides it is best for them to get an abortion- you deny them the right to- deny them the right to prevent the pregnancy with morning after pills, deny them the right to prevent a preganancy with birth control. What the hell is wrong with you people.
You would rather tie them to that person who would kill them for life. You aren’t pro- woman. You’re pro- masochist.
JW’s aren’t LEFT at all. They’re hard-core right.
They just refuse to get involved in politics.
Perhaps I should have posted this quote: “You’d think that might come under the “graven images” Commandment, wouldn’t you?”
And as it turns out, it was a perceptive and historically significant observation.
To which you responded:
Only a simpleton would think that the loyalty to our country that we proclaim by pledging allegiance to the flag would somehow be confused with “worshipping a graven image.”
It’s obvious who the ’simpleton’ is here.
We can all agree that JWs are just loony.
Political mama
I’m suprised that a person with that name would still be pushing a womans “the right” to an abortion. Roe v. Wade has established that.
I believe the argument is…
If she feels that she needs an abortion, does she have the “right” to make the federal government pay for it.
I believe NO would be the answer to that.
I’m sure that God just loves that we pledge allegience to something other than him. Swear, pledge, worship….
Oddly, the United States of America is nowhere in the bible.
I know we hide when they are in the neighborhood.
LOL.
Don’t the re-nounce country in general?
No. But to withhold that funding specifically because you don’t agree with it, is wrong too.
No. But to withhold that funding specifically because you don’t agree with it, is wrong too.
So a “bridge to nowhere” is just fine by you?
So you think it is wrong for the demoratic controlled congress to withhold funding for the Iraq war specifically because they don’t agree with it?
File in the “Too Funny” drawer
Source: AP
McCain / Palin fought money on teen pregnancy programs
WASHINGTON – Republican John McCain, whose running mate disclosed that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, has opposed proposals to spend federal money on teen-pregnancy prevention programs and voted to require poor teen mothers to stay in school or lose their benefits.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s announcement Monday about her daughter, Bristol, was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin’s youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter’s. Palin said her daughter intends to raise her child and marry the baby’s father, who was identified only by his first name, Levi. The baby is due in late December.
Palin herself said she opposes funding sexual-education programs in Alaska.
“The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates.
The WEBlog resident authority on morality upchucks the latest thout shalt not:
1. Thou shalt not withold funding from something just because you disagree with it. It is WRONG!
In Laura bush’s own words : “Bush’s wife, Laura, told a breakfast of Michigan Republican convention delegates that she is excited about Palin’s candidacy.
“I think it was really very brilliant of John McCain to take her, and I’m so proud…”
Mccain probably thought it was a good idea to ‘take her’ too!
Poor Mark … tries to trump up charges against someone and then, when the DA won’t play patsie for him whines about it.
Hey Mark – go to the US Attorney and get a Civil Rights action against him – if you can.
When it comes to McCain’s first presidential decision–picking a running mate–he fails miserably.
You fellers might wanna read your own stuff before posting…
The SCOTUS based its ruling for JWs on the …on the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment rather than the Religion Clause.
I say again: only a loony (be they extreme right or left) would confuse pledging allegiance with religious worship.
Dear KapnAmerika,
The people of Alaska must have agreed with her.
Teach your own. Its not my responsibility to pay for your kids abortion. That is not really that profound.
and so you know Kapn…
I also believe, raise your own. If you choose to keep your child and not abort it, it is not my resposibility to pay to raise it.
Everone expected ‘Mittens’, but mccains said “No, Kittens”.
The Crapn and other Libs sure do have an unhealthy interest in minor girls.
Kind of confirms where there are liberals, the sexual offender list is so filled with ‘freedom of speech’ perverts.
“Its not my responsibility to pay for your kids abortion.”
Yes well.
You need to remember that the next story about a baby in a trash can that parkay drags in. If you won’t help a woman one way she will help herself another.
That choice is on you. You own any result.
Junion proclaims: If you won’t help a woman one way she will help herself another.
So…
Lemme get this straight, Junior. If I won’t hang out by the bar and give drunks a ride home, I “own any result” when they are busted for DUI?
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BlueJay
Posted September 2, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
“Its not my responsibility to pay for your kids abortion.”
Yes well.
You need to remember that the next story about a baby in a trash can that parkay drags in. If you won’t help a woman one way she will help herself another.
That choice is on you. You own any result.
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The woman that does that will be obliged to finding herself free room and board in prison.
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Interesting statistic: Since Roe V. Wade, 25 percent of all births have been aborted.
Old, Grizzled Third-Party Candidate Threatens McCain’s Base
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqktCdX0hs
The SCOTUS based its ruling for JWs on the …on the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment rather than the Religion Clause.
So? I knew that; I read the entire case nearly 20 years ago (including Frankfurter’s lonnng, ranting dissent).
The essential point you’re dancing around (trying to wash off the egg, I guess) is that JWs objected to the pledge on religious grounds. Ignoring their freedom not to speak would infringe on their religious freedom just as surely as forcing, by law, all Christians to pledge allegiance to Satan.
The fact that you or I might find that view silly doesn’t change that fact, and courts have no business judging the merits of one’s individual religious views (see Justice Jackson quote above). They believed it was worshipping a graven image.
The Court wisely recognized the greater issue, that test oaths–werein persons are forced to publicly state things they do not believe–have no place in the United States.
That IS an interesting statistic there James Regular.
Imagine a country where 25% of the population was born to a woman who did not want or could not support it.
I’m glad I don’t live there.
biased1
Posted September 2, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
and so you know Kapn…
I also believe, raise your own. If you choose to keep your child and not abort it, it is not my resposibility to pay to raise it.
BlueJay
Posted September 2, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
You need to remember that the next story about a baby in a trash can that parkay drags in. If you won’t help a woman one way she will help herself another.
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What of the 1,000’s of US families trying to adopt? That’s can’t afford the $10,000’s that it costs to adopt a child from overseas?
I’m not a cradle to grave nanny stater by any means but there are options to abortion and to being saddled with an unwanted child.
Baby dumpers need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Many states now have safe haven laws where babies can be abandoned, no questions asked (Texas was the first btw under a certain Governor Bush). There is no reason this should not be a nationwide intiative.
“You need to remember that the next story about a baby in a trash can that parkay drags in. That choice is on you. You own any result.”
That is the dumbist thing I’ve EVER read. What has that to do with the federal government not paying for abortions?
Do I have to pay to repair a skier’s broken leg? How about to educate skier on how to “not break his leg.” Is that my responsibility? Do I also “own” that result?
Let’s speak about federal funding of sex education. Since we have poured billions into sex education, are there any less teen prgnancies or STD’s?
No. not even 1. YOU OWN THAT RESULT!
Gimme my money back.
“Interesting statistic: Since Roe V. Wade, 25 percent of all births have been aborted.” — Regular.
GAWD
“Imagine a country where 25% of the population was born to a woman who did not want or could not support it.”
Imagine living in a country where you have spent billions on sex education, free condoms and free birth control.
And still 25% of the pregnancies are terminated.
Sounds like THAT plan is working……
morons.
heh HEH!
First fatmouth Limbaugh was climbing the walls.
Now wallbanger Hannity is swinging from the rafters and spitting chiclets!
You can HEAR the desperation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/11/study-finds-1-in-4-us-tee_n_90977.html
CHICAGO — At least one in four teenage American girls has a sexually transmitted disease, suggests a first-of-its-kind federal study that startled some adolescent-health experts.
Some doctors said the numbers might be a reflection of both abstinence-only sex education and teens’ own sense of invulnerabilty. Because some sexually transmitted infections can cause infertility and cancer, U.S. health officials called for better screening, vaccination and prevention.
Only about half of the girls in the study acknowledged having sex. Some teens define sex as only intercourse, yet other types of intimate behavior including oral sex can spread some diseases.
Among those who admitted having sex, the rate was even more disturbing _ 40 percent had an STD.
“This is pretty shocking,” said Dr. Elizabeth Alderman, an adolescent medicine specialist at Montefiore Medical Center’s Children’s Hospital in New York.
“To talk about abstinence is not a bad thing,” but teen girls _ and boys too _ need to be informed about how to protect themselves if they do have sex, Alderman said.
The overall STD rate among the 838 girls in the study was 26 percent, which translates to more than 3 million girls nationwide, researchers with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found. They released the results Tuesday at an STD prevention conference in Chicago.
“Those numbers are certainly alarming,” said sex education expert Nora Gelperin, who works with a teen-written Web site called sexetc.org. She said they reflect “the sad state of sex education in our country.”
“Sexuality is still a very taboo subject in our society,” she said. “Teens tell us that they can’t make decisions in the dark and that adults aren’t properly preparing them to make responsible decisions.”
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The United States has the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases (STD) in the
industrialized world. CDC estimates that 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half
of them among young people ages 15 to 24. Persons with a pre-existing STD have a three to five
fold increased risk of acquiring HIV/AIDS. In one year, our nation spends over $14 billion to
treat the symptoms and consequences of STDs. Untreated STDs contribute to infant mortality,
infertility, and cervical cancer.
STD prevention programs at CDC have been flat-funded since FY2003. CDC’s Division of STD
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four disease prevention goals – Prevention of STD-related infertility, STD-
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NASTAD and NCSD support a $110 million increase for STD prevention through the
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1.) Core STD Services – (+$13 million) Preventing STDs depends in large part upon state and
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support to the mid-1990’s level.
Bluejay, you listen to limbaugh and hannity?
I thought “the man of the people” al franken, to be more your style……
oh wait, nobody listens to libtard radio, not even libtards, thats why it fails…..
Mr Kia.
Semantics notwithstanding. The original discussion was in reference to Palin’s comment about “under God” and the forfathers. The framers made a deliberate effort to keep that concept generic. I think we are saying the same thing in that regard. Nonetheless “Under God” was adopted during the McCarthy era.
The price of oil was also effected by China’s action in late June which had an effect on their demand. I was merely saying that you oversimplify by saying that it was the summer driving season.
Regarding Dubya’s policy and the strong dollar. The dollar grew in strength when the world-wide markets hit their correction. It had very little to do with policy decisions.
I say again: only a loony (be they extreme right or left) would confuse pledging allegiance with religious worship.
Well, it was the JW’s who objected; not us.
Biased, or Mark..god how many names do you use on here…
When I said you can’t ask them not to fund it because you don’t believe in it- I was referring to medical issues. If you’re going to pay for viagra, broken arms, etc, abortions should also be covered for medical reasons. We have funding for birth control and there is good reason for it. Because how many insurance companies won’t pay for it. But they’ll sure pay for you to havfe a baby at 300% more.
We need to be a responsible nation- but not a stupid one. There isn’t one nation that doesn’t face these problems, it is universally human to have sex. We found out yes even Catholic priests do too- however disturbing who they were having sex with.
It just shows you that the desire to have sex isn’t going to be stamped out ever….with every person likely having sex at some point or at many points.
You don’t get on a roller coaster without buckling up your safety devices. Even if the 1:100,000 times it rides, one accident occurs. The safety device is there to keep you from getting hurt.
Europeans have such a lower unwed, unwanted pregnancy rate- because they’re not stupid like the puritans here in America. For gods sake if that means we throw condoms out at the parade, do it. I mean geez, the secular society hasn’t corrupted you to the point you can’t freak out every day in front of Tiller’s clinic.
yup biased I know what a knuckledragger like you is gonna say before YOU know it.
I can’t help but feel I lose IQ points listening. But it is my contribution to the greater good.
LLTVET
Posted September 2, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
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Regarding Dubya’s policy and the strong dollar. The dollar grew in strength when the world-wide markets hit their correction. It had very little to do with policy decisions.
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Agreed on the Constituition/Pledge. I don’t think we want to get into gaffs by the candidates and how that constitutes their abilities to govern.
With regards to the dollar, then you’d also have to agree policies had very little to do with its weakening as well and thus the prices of many of our goods and services which have assisted in our economic decline?
“To talk about abstinence is not a bad thing,” but teen girls _ and boys too _ need to be informed about how to protect themselves if they do have sex, Alderman said.”
Drivel and tripe.
Alerman AND the study needs to be more specific.
Are all these places that are teaching “absinence only” also the places with the highest rates? probably not. or that would BE the headline. How many places in new york (alderman) and chicago (gelperin) ARE teaching abstinence only. not many I’d bet. How many of the “girls in the study” were taught “abstinence only?”
Then ask the girls these three questions.
1. How do you get pregnant?
2. How is a sexually transmitted disease transmitted?
3. What is a condom.
if they can’t answer those questions, (even after an “abstinence only” education) THEN you might have an education problem. But I’m guessing they could answer all of the above by 5th grade…..
PM,
I DON’T pay for a skiers accident.
And I DON”T want to pay for viagra either.
and BTW, Europeans have such a lower unwed, unwanted pregnancy rate- because they’re ugly.
Agreed Kia. The weakening dollar was also good news/as well as bad news.
Regarding gaffs. I agree as well. The tabloid race is getting way out of hand. I don’t give a rat about Palin’s kids/grandkids, etc. I would rather this election be about the issues. I don’t like Palin because she is a social conservative.
She may have energized the base. But now it looks like 47% will enthusiastically vote for McCain instead of 46.8% voting against Obama.
How about this for a deal biased1? I don’t pay for midnight baptisms at the local church and you don’t pay for abortions. How about neither of us paying for skiing accidents.
I think we can remove federal funding for abortions AND remove the faith based initiative.
“Because how many insurance companies won’t pay for it.”
Shouldn’t the american people be as free to choose what they will pay for as an insurance company?
Put it on the ballot.
LLTVET- “midnight baptisms”
the new fedral funding crisis in america….
HAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!
cute biased. But gas on the JEEBUS is getting expensive so, no thanks.
If Federal funding to social programs are getting too expensive wouldn’t it make sense to continue to fund the most succesful and cut those that are not?
You beg the question Mr. Kia. What programs are successful?
here’s some more of that drivel and tripe
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/299/17/2013
Chicago—Over the past decade, the US federal government has heavily promoted programs that advocate sexual abstinence as the key strategy for dealing with adolescent sexuality, but studies are demonstrating that the approach has little impact on teen sexual behavior or in preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). As a result, health professionals and government officials are working to end the programs and to expand funding for other types of sexual education initiatives, and many states have refused federal funding for abstinence-only programs.
“By 2005, there were more than 800 programs that had been funded with over $1.5 billion, and increasingly, professionals, parents, policy makers, and adolescents have been raising concerns,” said John Santelli, MD, MPH, of the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health in New York City. The mounting pressure to revamp sex education programs was a topic of discussion at the 2008 National…….
Some Abstinence Programs Mislead Teens, Report Says
By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 2, 2004; Page A01
Many American youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only programs have been taught over the past three years that abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, and that touching a person’s genitals “can result in pregnancy,” a congressional staff analysis has found.
Those and other assertions are examples of the “false, misleading, or distorted information” in the programs’ teaching materials, said the analysis, released yesterday, which reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease.
“”Gonzales mishandled classified materials while serving as attorney general,” the report concluded.”
Republicans were demanding Sandy Berger be prosecuted to the full extent of the law when he took home classified info. from the archives.
Here we have Gonzo taking home real time classified info., and not a peep out of the cons. What’s up, Hypocrites?
http://www1.va.gov/fbci/page.cfm?pg=11
Veterans for one.
Is KIA, in a roundabout way trying to sat the govt. shouldn’t finance abstinence only instruction?
Mr. Kia. Opinions vary on the success of the FBCI and veterans. It is a nice argument. But it serves no purpose.
Kia —- The “Decaration of Independence” is NOT a part of the Law of the United States of America…. That would be the Constitution. The Constitution does not mention God, or Jesus, or Jesus, or Bible at all.
And as pointed out above, The Funding Fathers had NOTHING to do with writing the Pledge of Allegiance. Let’s at least try to be historically accurate??
Funding = Founding (typo)
Sodomite officer Devery L. Taylor of Elgin Air Force Base, FL was found guilty of raping four other Air Force servicemen and attempting to rape two others Tuesday, by a military jury. Taylor was accused of drugging men in bars with date rape drug GHB and then forcing sodomy on them.
This kind of outrage against military servicemen is what Democrats are putting into their party platform this year.
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The leftist media, in comparing this year’s Democrat and Republican Party platforms, is horrified to report that the right-wing conservative extremists have somehow taken over most of the American population, abusing their influence to convince 70% to 80% of citizens of the USofA that they oppose unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion and the legalized sodomite mockery of marriage, not to mention excessive taxation and excessive growth of wasteful, pork-laden government bureaucracy and handouts.
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“We are in the wilderness because we walked away from the limited government principles that minted the Republican Congress. The American people did not quit on the Contract with America, we did.”
. . . U.S. Rep. Mike Pence, lamenting the mistake of Republican congressmen who abandoned conservative principles, betraying the trust of their conservative base
[Would new blood like feisty conservative reformer, pork-trimmer, and house-cleaner Gov. Sarah Palin be a start to regaining that trust?]
Why is Obama the Presidential nominee feeling threatened by Palin, the VP nominee?
Amazing!
1. He stupidly goes on the defensive from the VP side of the Republican ticket.
2. Even dumber – Obama claims he has more experience then Palin because he’s ran a campaign for 2 years!
OBAMA IS QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE HAS RUN A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN!!!!
How dumb R U Dems?
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SAY EAGLE, what YOU afraid of?
That’s T W O attack topics on Palin today!
PLEASE, going forward, limit your attacks to ONE PER DAY!
(That will save room for more Tiahrt Amendment attacks by you guys!)
Max, since you have nothing better to do, why dont you enlighten all of us by posting a link in the Constitution that gives a list of qualifications to be POTUS??? That should be interesting… For both sides of the aisle….
Because there is a fair chance that mccains v.p. will in fact be the p., before his term is up. Therefore any comparison is relevant.
Is it a start Parkay? Maybe. If she is a pork-trimmer and house-cleaner. Then such a hypothetical choice would be a good start. emphisis on the word start.
But if that means that I am supposed to think the GOP is conservative once again. Well, that dog ain’t gonna hunt. Why not start being conservative once again:
Stop the no-bid contracts. (McCain had a chance to address that on Fox news this Sunday. He didn’t mention that)
Start making Iraq pay for their own construction. (also left out on this Sunday’s Fox news)
Those are also some good STARTS.
here’s one for max
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5IAPK0hbU
How embarrassing for Obama!
I can’t believe he’s this frickin stupid!
You Dems really buy this crap?
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/obama-i-have-more-executive-experience-than-palin/
Barack Obama contends that he is more experienced in executive matters than Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin because he has managed his presidential campaign for the past 18 months.
Speaking on a cable news channel Monday night, the Democratic presidential nominee said he is better prepared to handle a disaster like Hurricane Gustav because of his pursuit of the White House.
“Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said.
John McCain’s spokesman called the suggestion “laughable.”
“For Barack Obama to argue that he’s experienced enough to be president because he’s running for president is desperate circular logic and its laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama’s inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin’s executive experience managing a budget of over $10 billion and more than 24,000 employees,” said spokesman Tucker Bounds.
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
Max, since you have nothing better to do, why dont you enlighten all of us by posting a link in the Constitution that gives a list of qualifications to be POTUS??? That should be interesting… For both sides of the aisle….
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Go for it Chas. Show me the Constitutional bona fide occupational qualifications for President.
I think it says you “have to be able to manage a Presidential campaign.”
Phantom
Posted September 2, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
Because there is a fair chance that mccains v.p. will in fact be the p., before his term is up. Therefore any comparison is relevant.
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And may very well be an attempt by Obama to distract attention away from any comparisons in Experience between Obama and Palin!
“Hey, my #1 horse is better then your #2 horse!”
Great plan.
Should read:
And may very well be an attempt by Obama to distract attention away from any comparisons in Experience between Obama and McCain!
“Hey, my #1 horse is better then your #2 horse!”
Great plan.
See, the distraction worked!
You’re WRONG Max… but, hey, thats just normal… I asked you for a LINK to the place in the COTUS, that defines the qualifications to be POTUS…. And what do you do??? Throw back TRASH…
Typical TROLL behavior….
Re: MAX
DNFTT
If memory serves:
1. There is a minimum age (35, but don’t quote me)
2. The candidate must have been born in the United States.
3. I think that there is a 14 year residency issue to.
4. And I believe there is a $50 fee that must be paid in filing.
LLTVET, from memory, you’re close; I believe the term used in the Constitution is “a natural born citizen of the United States”.
Correct AV. So I suppose that means that all 4 people are qualified to be President (I will assume that Biden and Palin are natural born)
Oh my, now we will have to actually talk about the ISSUES.
From Article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States, paragraph 5:
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained the Age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Thanks Tolle, Vet…. NOW we can get past the “experience” issue…. MAYbe…. and get down to what is best for our Country….
I think we will have to start on that Tomorrow Chas. There are 2 other tabloid threads today that need to run their course.
JERRY!!!!!!! JERRY!!!!!! JERRY!!!!!!!!
To all the fascist Republicans can you point to any news articles where the Denver police, with the backing of the FBI, raided homes of people before the protest, pulled over buses of protesters trying to enter the city, arrested scores of reporters, had to resort to tear gas, etc?
All news reports pointed to the fact that the Denver protests were tame and peaceful with only a few anti-choice terrorists causing their typical problems. There was the case of a few Republicans busted in an assassination plot, that was about it.
Here’s the numbers. Only 152 arrests made during the entire DNC convention. However, on just Monday 286 people were arrested following hundreds of people being detailed before the convention with no charges being made.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/27760444.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUjc8LDyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Typical Republicans, excusing fascism but whining when known violent extremist groups like Operation Rescue get arrested for intentionally blocking the entrance to the Pepsi Center. But he was dispersing a bunch of racist material so you Republicans are completely cool with that.
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/5224/anti-abortion-activist-distributes-real-solutions-to-the-negro-problem-tract-at-dnc/
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink
You’re WRONG Max… but, hey, thats just normal… I asked you for a LINK to the place in the COTUS, that defines the qualifications to be POTUS…. And what do you do??? Throw back TRASH…
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Say Chas, I’m not your servant.
Google it yaself if ya can.
Obama said today that he was qualified to be President because he has ran a campaign for 2 years. He’s not my candidate to explain, he’s YOURS!
(I thought Obama was a Senator for the last two years? No? Just a campaign manager?)
Well, then, tomorrow VET… :-)
Per Chas’ definition of qualifications to be President, there are roughly:
210,000,000 qualified candidates for President this year!
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink
Thanks Tolle, Vet…. NOW we can get past the “experience” issue…. MAYbe…. and get down to what is best for our Country….
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Funnier then Heck!
The Libs want to “get past the experience issue”.
Dam right you do. If I was a Lib, I wouldn’t want to talk about the inexperience of Obama either!
That’s correct Max. That’s why the song goes like this: Every boy can be President.
So if you want to argue that McCain is BETTER qualified. Fine. That is your argument.
But unless you wish to change Article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States, paragraph 5
(Which Avtolle so studiously posted for us all)
Then Chas (and I) are both correct. All of the laughing in the world won’t change that.
Chas –
But a person’s experience IS an issue – we are, in large part, what our experiences have made us. It’s not for nothing that we all recognize that experience is the best teacher, and there is no substitute for it.
And Obama is the least “experienced” candidate in at least a century. He is a candidate for president on the strength of a great speech in 2004, his stand against the war (and he wasn’t even THERE when it mattered; it’s easy to take that stand from the safety of the Illinois legislature), and not much else.
That IS an issue.
As to “issues,” in my opinion, they matter less than we think. We don’t elect issues, we elect people. Presidents are always in large part trapped by events; rarely do presidents get to push their agenda without unexpected events taking over. No one imagined when Bush took office that his “issue” would be 9/11 and his response to it, yet it will define his administration. Presidents “ride the tiger,” as T. Roosevelt put it, largely reacting to events. What experience has Obama had in that kind of circumstance?
Not much, in my opinion. And that is an issue.
Oh and persons who oppose Obama are doing so because they believe it is best for the country.
Ok, technically that’s not T W O attacks on Sarah Palin today.
That’s O N E attack on Sarah Palin, AND
O N E attack on Bristol Palin.
I stand corrected.
Defrocked pastor Mark Holick has just been found guilty of battery. Yet another Christian terrorist found guilty of spreading the love of Jesus in Wichita.
Max, the Liberals think that Obama is qualified enough. Just like you think that Palin is qualified enough.
Or perhaps they think that the republican can’t run on the issues, so all they have is experience.
Why don’t you humor those silly liberals. Show them how the GOP can win on the issues.
Please do NOT discuss EXPERIENCE on the WE Blog.
Experience is overrated.
HELP WANTED. PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. No Experience Required, Will Train.
LLTVET
Posted September 2, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
Max, the Liberals think that Obama is qualified enough. Just like you think that Palin is qualified enough.
Or perhaps they think that the republican can’t run on the issues, so all they have is experience.
Why don’t you humor those silly liberals. Show them how the GOP can win on the issues.
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Been there.
Done that.
If there’s a Big “D” before their name, the Liberal Socialist Democrats vote for them.
No need to discuss Experience.
No need to discuss Issues.
REpublicans didn’t let Gustav rain on their parade!
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3419663/9545282
I suppose there are other issues such as how McCain is going to be different than Bush. I remember this Sunday, Chris Wallace gave him an opportunity to talk about the issues:
1. He didn’t talk about no-bid contracts.
2. He didn’t mention Iraq paying for their own reconstruction.
Now he did mention:
1. No pork (that’s good)
2. Environmental issues (interesting, I don’t care, but whatever)
How is McCain going to make the GOP conservative again?
The Republican convention is going quite well for the Republicans as many were entertained by Hookers and Blow.
But anyway, how long before McCain ditches Palin?
And just how has the vaunted experience of John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) resulted in a wise decision?
Experience being wrong is not an asset.
LLTVET,
Psssst…I’m not for McCain.
McCain is the lessor of two EVILS.
That is all.
Max. I’m not a liberal social democrat. Unless you believe Franklin who thinks that I am only POSING as a libertarian.
Sol and I have both asked on countless occasions: How is McCain going to make the GOP conservative once again? Thus far, all I keep hearing is “well the liberals are going to be worse.”
I can suffer through democrats because they won’t force social conservatism on me. When are the social conservatives going to learn to compromise with us?
MAX — THIS is the experience issue… NOT the fact that Obama is running for President… I swear you right wing nuts ALL need new glasses….
“Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said.
PSST,,,,Max. I LIKED McCain until the Republican base decided to castrate him.
He showed promise as a goldwater type.
McCain:
-Is much stronger on National Defense. (Which is the #1 Priority of Federal Government.)
-Will not penalize with higher taxes those who work hard, play by the rules, and are successful, and are already paying 97% of the total income tax. (Course the Dems LOVE higher taxes, since they don’t pay any.)
-McCain will not ban guns. If you don’t believe in the right to defend your own life, then what rights do you believe in? If a President will not defend the 2nd Amendment, what other Amendments will he violate?
-McCain will not advance the Socialist bandwagon to the extreme. McCain will not sign-off on National Healthcare, Free College Tuition, Free Preschool, Free This/That/Other, when we can’t pay for the existing obligations of Social Security & Medicare.
-McCain has demonstrated through EXPERIENCE that he is committed to serving his COUNTRY and not just serving HIMSELF. (McCain didn’t throw his medals away.)
(McCain didn’t throw his medals away.)
Psssst…. John Kerry isnt running!!!
MAX — THIS is the experience issue… NOT the fact that Obama is running for President… I swear you right wing nuts ALL need new glasses….
Chas –
So when you rail about getting off experience and on to “issues,” you DON’T really mean it; or at least you only mean it when the lack of experience of your guy is pointed out.
Are you saying, furthermore, than campaigning and governing are the same skill set? That’s been in large part our problem over the last 20 years or so; the campaigns never end, we never transition from running to governing. One thing that was notable about the Clinton White House was that they were always in campaign mode; Bush learned that lesson well, and has acted similarly.
Unfortunately, they’re NOT the same thing.
When it comes right down to it, the only candidate of the four who has the kind of experience we traditionally looked to as presidential material is Palin. Executive experience, actually running an executive office. Traditionally, we have looked to governors and big city mayors for that reason.
Yea, I’m not surprised the Dems want to get past “experience” as an issue; if I were in your shoes, I would too.
Oh I agree LLTVET, I think the Religious Right has overstepped its bounds and the Republicans have been bought by them.
I’d like to see Religion and Social Conservative issues left off the table.
Fiscally, let’s be as hard right conservative as we can be, and limit the role of Government to the extent allowed by the Constitution. Now, we can’t go back in time and start over, but we ought to be able to stop the growth of future programs, while we whittle away at existing ones.
And let’s make sure that the #1 Priority of Federal Government is defending the USA, and the #2 Priority of Federal Government is defending our Freedom. Everything after that is the Pork & Gravy. And the Libs will never stop squeeling for
more, more, more.
The Libs need to learn if they want something, they have to go work for it.
To take it from those who earned it, is stealing.
Come on GMC. I don’t think that any of the candidates are going to let the White House carpeting get dirty. Anyone with a grasp on reality knows that the President doesn’t need experience as much as they need good advisors and good judgement.
Of course Obama isn’t as experienced. That promotes a sense of risk. Change creates risk. McCain could have easily decided to be an agent of change and it would have worked beautifully. Boy blunder screwed up enough and Hillary helped in that regard to.
But McCain didn’t have the ba**s enough to say that the GOP needs to change. He let the base bully him.
So, GMC, what are YOUR qualifications for a candidate to be President??? You want to start some kind of amendment to the COTUS???
Obama is merely pointing out that managing his campaign, and the budgets, and funds, is a bigger task that Gov. Palin’s mayoral duties, in a NON-voting mayoral position in a very small town in Alaska….
THAT is not the same thing as saying he is qualified to be President, because he is running…. Geez….
GMC70
Posted September 2, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
MAX — THIS is the experience issue… NOT the fact that Obama is running for President… I swear you right wing nuts ALL need new glasses….
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Thanks for the answer GMC. Funny how Chas get’s so mad about attacks on Obama’s lack of experience, that he has to try to change the subject to something else. (There is no defense of Obama on this issue, so trying to shut critics up is the only approach they can take.)
Now Chas interprets the words of Obama, in order to splain things to us common folk.
The Lesson for Today Boys and Goyls:
If your candidate doesn’t say the right things, make up something on their behalf.
Just words anyway.
Geeeeeezz Chas.
Geeeeeezz.
Pssssst – Chas, I’m not running.
And P-lease. This isn’t about Constitutional qualifications, and we both know it (or at least I’ll treat you as if you’re that bright). 200 million + Americans have those. None of us pretend that we are “qualified” to be president, other than in the most basic sense.
But Obama’s history and experience, like McCain’s, is relevant. I know it, as do you. And Obama simply does not have the resume that generally would prepare one to be President. That’s not to say he could not be successful in the office; I don’t know that there is a resume that “prepares” one to be president, as there is nothing like it.
But experience (or the lack of it) does indeed matter. No matter you want to change the subject.
BTW – I appreciate your endorsement of my for POTUS. I’ll decline, thanks; I’ve always thought that anyone who was smart enought to be president was smart enought to know he doesn’t want the job.
So what State was Geo. H. W. Bush governor of?? Or what big city was he mayor of?? That didnt seem to hurt him when he was running for President… OR VP….
Obama DOES have executive experience MANAGING a multi million dollar, campaign… Its not the campaigning that is at issue — It is the Management of the campagin… budgets… funding…. Managing Staff…. etc., etc.
Does Obama have that expoerience?? Hell yes!!
Does Ms. Palin have such experience?? NO!!
See upthread where her experience is pointed out… I didnt make this stuff up… It is just part of the larger picture….
I AM more concerned about the issues, than about the experience…. as I noted above, no matter what side of the aisle….
I think the Constitution is quite clear as to the Qualifications to be President… ALL four of these people meet those qualifications….
Obama is merely pointing out that managing his campaign, and the budgets, and funds, is a bigger task that Gov. Palin’s mayoral duties, in a NON-voting mayoral position in a very small town in Alaska….
Uh, Chas . . . Wake up.
Palin is Governor. Of the State. Alaska. Even you should notice that, since you called her Gov. Palin.
Are you always this dense? Yes, you are (shaking head) . . .
Note: Not NON-voting mayoral position in a very small town in Alaska…. (as you, with your usual ignorance) put it.
Governor. An executive. Of a State. Who has had to make executive decisions. You do know what a governor is, don’t you? You know the difference between a mayor (her former position) and a governor (her current position) don’t you?
Obama has executive experience doing . . . . . what, exactly? Picking out the campaign slogans?
Wow, that’s an amazing Vetting Process Chas Has!
210,000,000 Americans qualify to be President after Chas gets done weedin em out!
GMC — Palin has had very minimal exerience as Gov. of Alaska… very minimal… Alaska isnt terribly heavily populated….
BTW, did you know that both she and her hubby were members of the AIP until very recently?? They BOTH were in favor of Alaska seceding from the United States…
Does that tell you anything at all???
GMC…. I AM NOT DENSE…. I AM TRYING TO KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE, SO YOU CAN STAY ON POINT…. THAT IS HARD TO DO AT TIMES…
It WAS very challenging to come up with Obama’s campaign slogans.
First choices:
Peace
Love
Save the world
Socialists unite
Then finally, after 6 days of work, Obama came up with:
Hope
Change
And on the 7th day, Obama rested.
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
GMC…. I AM NOT DENSE…. I AM TRYING TO KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE, SO YOU CAN STAY ON POINT…. THAT IS HARD TO DO AT TIMES…
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HA HA HAAAAAA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
ROFLMAO Crying Big Fat Tears of Laughter!!!!!
“Yuh see, I’m NOT FROM WASHINGTON. I’m from Texas.”
George W. Bush, in his first debate with Al Gore.
See how it works, Chas.
When it’s their interest to “not be from Washington,” Geo W. Bush, the outsider they’re not. But when it’s in their interest “to be from Washington,” John McCain, the ultimate insider, why then nothing is more important than experience.
Don’t try to argue with them, Chas. It’s like trying to argue with a really self-centered spoiled four year old.
You just have to smack ‘em down.
BTW, Max, you’re acting like an even bigger sh!thead than you usually are . . . and that’s saying a lot.
HELL’S BELLS, JUST THROW OUT THE CONSTITUTION…
GMC, WHY DONT YOU AND MAX FORM A NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR DETERMINING THE JOB QUALIFICATIONS FOR BEING POTUS…
Every candidate begins with the Constitution, or at least they should…. From a historical sketch of the Presidency, I think a WIDE variety of Men have been elected to that Office…. We have done pretty damned good at choosing those men, so far…. And someday, that will even include women…. I hope….
You know, what REALLY bugs me, is that the under currents to ALL of the objections to Obama, are that we just cant possibly elect a BLACK man from Chicago as POTUS!! And its that under current that really bugs hell out of me….
Everywhere I have been in the past month, I hear a very similar type comment….
“It’s not so much that he’s Black, it’s just that he doesnt have the qualifications or experience to be President.”
And for what it’s worth, I hear that kind of comment from both DEMS, AND REPUBS… So, it isnt really a “Party” kind of thing… it runs deeper…. and I am a little fearful about what it says about our Nation, in this year, 2008….
What’s McCain’s slogan anyway?
Sarah Palin is not my nurse, so stop saying that!
See Max, I kept it so simple, that even YOUR simple minded lunacy could get it!!
CapnAmerica
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
BTW, Max, you’re acting like an even bigger sh!thead than you usually are . . . and that’s saying a lot.
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Not really CapN… Max obviously hasnt had his dose of evening medications yet… still too early for pills…. :roll:
Chas –
Your caps lock got stuck. Fix it, please.
As to minimal experince . . . perhaps. But Alaska is also a state where the governor has relatively a great deal of power vis-a-vis the legislature; the legislature is part-time (kinda like Kansas).
Obama has governing experience doing what, exactly? Obama’s experience is less than minimal. He’s running on the basis of a great speech in 2004, and being against the war when he wasnt’ there to have to actually make that call.
That’s it. Period.
You still want to talk about “experience,” Chas?
Oh – and dense is exactly the right word – when I’m being kind.
Vote McCain–he knows torture
Make a rich white guy happy–vote McCain
McCain . . . when you want a joke about rape
Bomb, bomb, bomb . . . bomb Iran
McCain–like Bush, except older and crankier
“Executive decisions” like who to fire and why.
Now – to hide the lack of resume, Chas trots out the race card:
You know, what REALLY bugs me, is that the under currents to ALL of the objections to Obama, are that we just cant possibly elect a BLACK man from Chicago as POTUS!! And its that under current that really bugs hell out of me….
Let’s see . . . if you vote against Obama, you’re a racist.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
So, since you think that a woman should be president someday (and I quote:And someday, that will even include women…. I hope….) you’ll be voting for the McCain/Palin ticket, right?
Why, otherwise, you’re a misogynist. Chas has said so.
GMC — Where is it required that a candidate for President or VP have experience in executive office?? WHERE are you finding such a document?? Or have you just become so damned dense, that you and others like you have made it up??
Careful now…. McCain doesnt have any of that there exefcutive experience either!! Or Biden….
So, what does that tell you??
Oh yea, GMC — You have no comment about Ms. Palin’s quite recent affiliation with a Party in Alaska that is ANTI USA??? Does that go with her “experience” too???
FURTHERMORE…. IF YOU DONT LIKE MY CAPS, THEN THATS JUST TOO DAMNED BAD!!! A$$HOLE!!!
Experience and qualifications? How about the ability to do simple math?
Area 1002 in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is approximately 1,549,000 acres.
Bills in the U.S. Congress would open ALL of Area 1002 to oil exploration, except possibly a maximum of 45,000 acres designated as special areas.
“The Secretary, after consultation with the State of Alaska, the North Slope Borough, Alaska, and the City of Kaktovik, Alaska, may designate not more than 45,000 acres of the Coastal Plain as a special area if the Secretary determines that the special area would be of such unique character and interest as to require special management and regulatory protection.”
1,549,000 – 45,000 = 1,504,000 acres (or approx 1.5 million acres)
But according to McCain’s VP choice: 1,549,000 – 45,000 = 2,000 acres
And Palin also seems to believe that 1,549,000 acres = “20 million acres”.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/427xjuoj.asp
“One of the pieces of a solution is allowing exploration on that little 2,000 acre plot of land out of the 20 million acres up there in the coastal plain.”
Someone who is that math-challenged and/or confused is NOT qualified to be a VP.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/how-much-did-mccain-vet-palin/#comment-415026
Well I think it is established. On the ISSUE of experience, McCain has the advantage. McCain -1, Obama- 0. On the ISSUE of change, Obama has the Advantage McCain – 1, Obama – 1.
Now how about the other ISSUES now?
Military – McCain wins
Economy – Obama wins very slightly
Civil Liberties – Obama
JEEBUS values – McCain
Foreign Policy…..ahhh, now there is a juicy one.
Taxes….even juicier.
Chas – It isn’t in any document. But you keep trotting out that “consititutional qualifications” canard, as if that is the issue.
Do you read at all before you whack on the caps lock key?
Yeesh.
Look – I have to come to one of two conclusions. Either you want to avoid recognizing Obama’s utter lack of preparation for the job,
- or –
you’re an idiot.
Personally, I’d vote for the latter, given past experience here. But I can understand why you don’t want to talk about Obama’s lack of qualifications, so perhaps portraying yourself as an idiot, Chas, is a clever way to deflect attention from Obama’s lack of experience . . .
Yea, that’s it. It’s clever subterfuge.
NOBODY –
NOBODY –
NOBODY –
NOBODY –
NOBODY –
NOBODY –
Hey, will somebody go whack Chas. He’s stuck.
;)
Nobody — not even McCain can do a worse job that Dubya….. GMC, whast qualifications do you think a man/woman needs to be POTUS??? You keep stacking it on me…. Hell, man, 5 years as a POW sure doesnt do the trick…. Suppose you float out a list of “qualifications” and then test your list on the last number of Presidents in our history???
Damn, how did that happen?? my screen went blank…
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink
Oh yea, GMC — You have no comment about Ms. Palin’s quite recent affiliation with a Party in Alaska that is ANTI USA??? Does that go with her “experience” too???
Chas do you have something to prove she was a member of the PIA?
I have seen the documents showing she was not a member of the PIA but not the ones showing membership.
Now all we have to do is let the Jerry Springer, tabloid crap play out. Then the issues of experience, change, the economy etc. can be talked about.
HUD, that would be the AIP…. The article has been posted here already….
Here’s another one… from out of the NYT….
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/judgment-call/?ref=opinion
The Paper Trail seems to be a little lacking, except for her husband…. But, it might be something that the Repubs ought to dig into, at least….
Than Alaskan Independence Party isn’t anti-American, it’s simply pro-Alaskan. They’ve always added a bit of amusement to the ticket. Alaska is one of the few states where a third party has a decent chance of winning.
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:22 pm | Permalink
GMC — Where is it required that a candidate for President or VP have experience in executive office??
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Executive experience for the head of the Executive Branch of Government is not required?
Hmmm….
Chas, get your dictionary pulled out again. (Put away those nasty web sites that send you porno emails! LOL!)
London Sunday Times assessment of the War in Iraq
July 23 2008
The pathetic main stream American media continue to withhold the truth from the American public in order to serve their own biased agenda. The Investor’s Business Daily editorial board asks, ‘What would happen if the U.S. won a war but the media didn’t tell the American public? Apparently, we have to rely on a British newspaper for the news that we’ve defeated the last remnants of al-Qaida in Iraq .’
London’s Sunday Times called it ‘the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror:’ a terrorist force that once numbered more than 12,000, with strongholds in the west and central regions of Iraq, has over two years been reduced to a mere 1,200 fighters, backed against the wall in the northern city of Mosul. The destruction of al-Qaida in Iraq is one of the most unlikely and unforeseen events in the long history of American warfare. We can thank President Bush’s surge strategy, in which he bucked both Republican and Democratic leaders by increasing our forces instead of surrendering. We can also thank the leadership of the new general he placed in charge there, David Petraeus, who may be the foremost expert on counter-insurgency warfare. And we can thank those serving in our military in Iraq who engaged local Iraqi tribal leaders and convinced them America was their friend and al-Qaida their enemy.
Al-Qaida’s loss of the hearts and minds of ordinary Iraqis began in Anbar Province , which had been written off as a basket case, and has spread out from there. Now, in Operation Lion’s Roar, the Iraqi army and the U.S. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment are destroying thos terrorists who are left; more than 1,000 operatives have been apprehended. Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin, traveling with Iraqi forces in Mosul, found little AQI presence, even in bullet-ridden residential areas that were once insurgency strongholds, and reported that the terrorists have lost control of its Mosul urban base, with what is left of the organization having fled south into the countryside.
Meanwhile, the State Department reports that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s government has achieved ’satisfactory’ progress on 15 of the 18 political benchmarks, a big change for the better from a year ago. Things are going so well that Maliki has for the first time floated the idea of a timetable for withdrawal of American forces. He did so while visiting the United Arab Emirates, which over the weekend announced that it was forgiving almost $7 billion of debt owed by Baghdad, an impressive vote of confidence from a fellow Arab state in the future of a free Iraq.
But where are the headlines and the front-page stories about all this good news? As the Media Research Center pointed out last week, ‘the CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News and CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 were silent Tuesday night about the benchmarks’ that signaled political progress!
The war in Iraq has been turned around 180 degrees both militarily and politically because the president stuck to his guns. Yet apart from IBD, Fox News Channel and parts of the foreign press, the media don’t seem to consider this historic event a big story. Obama now says that progress was underway in Iraq before the surge. Suppose those serving in our military take offense to the implication that they didn’t make it happen – can we expect the press to set the record straight?
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink
FURTHERMORE…. IF YOU DONT LIKE MY CAPS, THEN THATS JUST TOO DAMNED BAD!!! A$$HOLE!!!
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More, from the Preacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
HELL’S BELLS, JUST THROW OUT THE CONSTITUTION…
GMC, WHY DONT YOU AND MAX FORM A NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR DETERMINING THE JOB QUALIFICATIONS FOR BEING POTUS…
Every candidate begins with the Constitution, or at least they should….
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When it’s convenient, the Libs point to the Constitution. In this case, detailed qualifications for President (or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter) aren’t there, so Chas leaps to the conclusion that Obama is QUALIFIED even with NO EXPERIENCE, because the Constitution doesn’t spell out every infinite detail commanding Government.
What about the 2nd Amendment Chas, does that matter?
GMC70
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink
Look – I have to come to one of two conclusions. Either you want to avoid recognizing Obama’s utter lack of preparation for the job,
- or -
you’re an idiot.
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Let’s vote on it.
I vote – IDIOT.
CHAS IS AN IDIOT = 1
CHAS IS AVOIDING OBAMA’S LACK OF EXPERIENCE = 0
Sorry GMC, forgot to count your vote!
CHAS IS AN IDIOT = 2
CHAS IS AVOIDING OBAMA’S LACK OF EXPERIENCE = 0
MAX.. you friggin LIAR…. duh, what else is new… SHOW where I said Obama is qualified because the Constitution says nothing about qualifications??? SHOW IT IDIOT!!!
I did NOT say anything CLOSE to that, you friggin Anti American Gun totin REDNECK!!!
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink
Oh yea, GMC — You have no comment about Ms. Palin’s quite recent affiliation with a Party in Alaska that is ANTI USA???
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Cite your source Chas, or STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAX, I challenged you AND YOUR FELLOW bOG-LIKE thinkers (stretching it a bit)… to come up with a list of qualifications you believe necessary to be POTUS…
You have failed to do so… All you can do is ATTACK aimlessly…. You have no better idea what qualifications it takes to be POTUS than anybody else…. SO, yu just ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!!!
And when you run out of attack, you thow in the 2nd Amendment out of absolutely NOWHERE!!!
MAX, one clue, you sorry sob…. The Founders didnt think the 2nd Amendment was important enough to include in the ORIGINAL Constitution…. They had to add it later, as an Amendment…..
Max, you are a blow hard, POS LIAR…
Now, if you want to put out a list of qualifications for the POTUS, fine… If not, go crawl back to your padded cell….
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink
MAX.. you friggin LIAR…. duh, what else is new… SHOW where I said Obama is qualified because the Constitution says nothing about qualifications??? SHOW IT IDIOT!!!
I did NOT say anything CLOSE to that, you friggin Anti American Gun totin REDNECK!!!
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I’m sorry Chas. I apologize. I agree Obama is NOT qualified, and that you never said he was qualified.
So sorry.
I already did, Max… learn to READ!!!!
Maggotpunk
Posted September 2, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Than Alaskan Independence Party isn’t anti-American, it’s simply pro-Alaskan. They’ve always added a bit of amusement to the ticket. Alaska is one of the few states where a third party has a decent chance of winning.
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Chas, even your own is eating you alive!
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink
MAX.. you friggin LIAR…. duh, what else is new… SHOW where I said Obama is qualified because the Constitution says nothing about qualifications??? SHOW IT IDIOT!!!
I did NOT say anything CLOSE to that, you friggin Anti American Gun totin REDNECK!!!
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Another GEM from the Preacher!
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:18 pm | Permalink
MAX, I challenged you AND YOUR FELLOW bOG-LIKE thinkers (stretching it a bit)… to come up with a list of qualifications you believe necessary to be POTUS…
You have failed to do so… All you can do is ATTACK aimlessly…. You have no better idea what qualifications it takes to be POTUS than anybody else…. SO, yu just ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!!!
And when you run out of attack, you thow in the 2nd Amendment out of absolutely NOWHERE!!!
MAX, one clue, you sorry sob…. The Founders didnt think the 2nd Amendment was important enough to include in the ORIGINAL Constitution…. They had to add it later, as an Amendment…..
Max, you are a blow hard, POS LIAR…
Now, if you want to put out a list of qualifications for the POTUS, fine… If not, go crawl back to your padded cell….
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Entering into evidence as Exhibit 1,283 evidence that 1) Chas is no Preacher, and 2) Chas is an I D I O T.
Maggot, thats sort of like saying Gobachev wasnt Anti American, but Pro Soviet Union…
The AIP is extremely in favor of Alaska voting to NOT be a part of the USA… The allegations are that Palin and her husband have been a part of this Anti American party, or at least supportive of it….
I believe it needs further investigation….
Max, it is totally obvious that you have NOTHING to add to this Blog, except constant attacks…
Thus, I call you out as a POS LIAR, and SOB… I dont cre what you think about that and my profession…. Jesus called obvious enemy combatnts by epithets as well…. He called them Sons of Vipers, Sons of Snakes…. We simply have new terms now days!!
Now, do you want to put out a list of what you believe to be qualifications to be POTUS…. or NOT???
If not, then YOU STFU!!! Dumb A$$
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink
I believe it needs further investigation….
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Chas, written by someone with your level of CREDIBILITY, and HONESTY, and RESPECT, certainly adds a great deal of weight to the argument for further investigation.
Please get a scale, and see how much your dust mite of credibility brings to the discusson.
MAX… I dont need your Bull Sh*t tonite… I have better things to do with my time… When you get all done, turn out the lights, and go back to your padded cell…. They will bring your pills shortly….
/sarcasm off
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
Max, it is totally obvious that you have NOTHING to add to this Blog, except constant attacks…
Thus, I call you out as a POS LIAR, and SOB… I dont cre what you think about that and my profession…. Jesus called obvious enemy combatnts by epithets as well…. He called them Sons of Vipers, Sons of Snakes…. We simply have new terms now days!!
Now, do you want to put out a list of what you believe to be qualifications to be POTUS…. or NOT???
If not, then YOU STFU!!! Dumb A$$
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Chas, with THE ABOVE WORDS, you are comparing yourself to Jesus?
Sad, sic, and disgusting.
You NEED to get a life.
Good night; good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
(Even to the RNC and their Convention)
Blessings to Hurricane victims….
So mote it be!!
Damn, Max, you dish it out, but you just cant take it…. and NO, I did not compare myself to Jesus… again you are nothing better than a POS LIAR!! Go to bed Max!!
Chas
Posted September 2, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
MAX… I dont need your Bull Sh*t tonite… I have better things to do with my time…
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Since when, do you have better things to do?
Saving a few sinners tonight are you?
Jesus, with friends like Chas, you don’t need enemies!
I can see why you are signing off early (for the first time) this evening Chas.
Good night, and may God have mercy on your soul.
blatherskates
Wow Chas you owned Max. What a twit.
Coming from you Pmom, that means a lot.
Max –
Remember: STFU (which you used at 8:14) will need it’s acronym identified. Be specific, and cite the source of your STFU.
Chas, of course, used it at 8:32, but we know what he says the acronym stands for.
Yea, I know. Try not to giggle, folks.
Chas – surely you are not arguing that experience in actually governing something is not relevant to being president. Historically, Presidents have tended to be governors. Clinton, Carter, Reagan, were all governors. Nixon had a long career in Congress and as VP under Eisenhower. Ford was a 20+ member of Congress. GHWBush had been Congressman,VP, head of Central Intelligence, envoy to China. You get the idea. While they had varied resumes, all had long experience.
And then there is Obama.
Obama has been a “community organizer,” (I frankly don’t know just what that is); a member of the Illinois state legislature for eight years; and a Senator who hadn’t even finished a single year in office before he ran for President.
Simple question, Chas: Tell me what Obama has ACCOMPLISHED. Not what he says, what has DONE.
There has not been a presidential candidate, from either party, for the last century with such a thin resume.
You may believe that does not matter. I think it does.
Then there is this little tidbit:
The Founders didnt think the 2nd Amendment was important enough to include in the ORIGINAL Constitution…. They had to add it later, as an Amendment…..
Sheesh.
Chas – I’d note the Founders put our most cherished freedoms – freedom of religion, speech, press, freedom from unreasonable search, guarantees of rights to trial, and yes, protecting the right to bear arms – ALL were not part of the original constitution.
Are you saying they are not important?
STFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDSB2dN3bJg
http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/n02460733-environment-arctic/
Chas,
STFU
Chas doesn’t think all the Amendments are important, especially the Bill of Rights.
Throw em all out, he says.
The only Amendment that counts is that one that says:
A candidate for President of the US must be able to Manage a Campaign in order to qualify for the position of President.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html)
Copy/paaste above URL into browser, without the parentheses. It wont post to the Blog.
MAX — I call you out, to answer Chas’s previous post — Either post what you believe are the qualifications to be President of this country, or STFU as the coward and troll that you really are. Get it?
Max is not permitted out of his padded room much later than midnight. After that, his keepers put him away, and give him his night time sleeping meds, so he wont bother other residents.
Re: Max
DNFTT
Chas, what are you doing up at 2:00 a.m.? And did you forget which alter-ego to use?
Must be almost as hard as remembering all those “unimportant” rights in the Bill of Rights, huh?
That’s a fantastic article. Fine work, keep it up!