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Just so CapA can get his answer (although it has been given several times) to his question about Chappell (my comments that he was out to make money from the state) who is running for the state school board.
Walt tried to sell his idea of a school finance formula to the state. This can be verifed by talking to legislators especially Sen. Jean Schodorf who chairs the senate education committee.
When the state was having a audit done Walt asked for a meeting with the state auditors (which they granted) he then turned around and billed them for $600. They did not pay this because as they told him it was not a meeting they requested of him at all. He had contacted them.
He is all about figuring out a way to make money from the state.
Hope this answers your questions Capa
Once again, science prevails.
New Ant Species Discovered In The Amazon Likely Represents Oldest Living Lineage Of Ants
ScienceDaily (Sep. 16, 2008) — A new species of blind, subterranean, predatory ant discovered in the Amazon rainforest by University of Texas at Austin evolutionary biologist Christian Rabeling is likely a descendant of the very first ants to evolve.
The new ant is named Martialis heureka, which translates roughly to “ant from Mars,” because the ant has a combination of characteristics never before recorded. It is adapted for dwelling in the soil, is two to three millimeters long, pale, and has no eyes and large mandibles, which Rabeling and colleagues suspect it uses to capture prey.
The ant also belongs to its own new subfamily, one of 21 subfamilies in ants. This is the first time that a new subfamily of ants with living species has been discovered since 1923 (other new subfamilies have been discovered from fossil ants).
More of the story at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080915174538.htm
Thomas Jefferson:
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
I sure wish we had someone with his wisdom around today….
““The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
I sure wish we had someone with his wisdom around today….”
Don’t worry, with the way the Republicans have screwed up the economy and let infrastructure fall apart we may all just become those small land farmers like Jefferson envisioned. Given the fact that those creating the Constitution were among the richest in America it’s not surprising they developed a system that rewards those who don’t work with corporate welfare and huge tax cuts.
““The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
I sure wish we had someone with his wisdom around today….”
Me too Raptor me too.
We might have CEO (do nothing) pay closer to that of the workers paying the CEO’s salary.
Speaking of wise T.Jefferson quotes………..
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Looks like citi may be the last dog standing. They should be strictly regulated after having been the driving force in the repeal of glass-steaga.
“The Secret Service contacted The Associated Press on Wednesday and asked for copies of the leaked e-mails, which circulated widely on the Internet. The AP did not comply.”
of course not
From the nutty religious files:
Mickey Mouse must die!
So sayeth a Muslim cleric. Someone needs to tell these guys that cartoons aren’t real.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/2963744/Mickey-Mouse-must-die-says-Saudi-Arabian-cleric.html
Then again, Jerry Falwell thought a Telle Tubby with no genitals was gay.
Seems somewhere in our little state of Kansas there is a visitor from Alaska.
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska– The battle over subpoenas issued to Palin administration officials raged on Wednesday, with accusations that the John McCain-Sarah Palin campaign has co-opted the state Department of Law.
Alaska Attorney General Colberg did not cite any legal reason for ignoring the subpoenas.
And after the announcement, officials said Colberg hopped on a plane to Kansas for a vacation.
“It appears that the department is in complete disarray,” said Sen. Bill Wielechowski. “It appears that the McCain campaign is co-opting our Department of Law and basically calling the shots and I think that’s pretty clear from some of the actions we’ve seen over the past couple of days.”
http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=9030139
More great news :(
Russia ratchets up US tensions with arms sales to Iran and Venezuela-
Russia snubbed its nose at the United States today by announcing plans to sell military equipment to both Iran and Venezuela.
The head of the state arms exporter said that Russia was negotiating to sell new anti-aircraft systems to Iran despite American objections.
“Contacts between our countries are continuing and we do not see any reason to suspend them,” Anatoly Isaikin, general director of Rosoboronexport, told Ria-Novosti at an arms fair in South Africa.
Reports have circulated for some time that Russia is preparing to sell its S-300 surface-to-air missile system to Iran, offering greater protection against a possible US or Israeli attack on the Islamic republic’s nuclear facilities. The missiles have a range of more than 150 kilometres and can intercept jets approaching at low altitudes.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4781027.ece
So he boarded a plane for the Repub. Sanctuary State, until things cool off?
And more news from our delightful Congress-
Democratic Congress May Adjourn, Leave Crisis to Fed, Treasury -
Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) — The Democratic-controlled Congress, acknowledging that it isn’t equipped to lead the way to a solution for the financial crisis and can’t agree on a path to follow, is likely to just get out of the way.
Lawmakers say they are unlikely to take action before, or to delay, their planned adjournments — Sept. 26 for the House of Representatives, a week later for the Senate. While they haven’t ruled out returning after the Nov. 4 elections, they would rather wait until next year unless Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who are leading efforts to contain the crisis, call for help.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aVPBaUbYV_qQ
Obama links MCain’s stance on illegals to Limbaugh in spanish ads. YEah. right. Anyway, since Obama official campaign links McCain to Limbaugh, what’s wrong with McCain linking Obama to Wright, Ayers, etc? Oh yea, not relevant. HAHAHAHAHA. Bullshift1
Actually, I guess I don’t really care. Neither major candidates will get my vote. It’s all bs. I will either vote for an independent, a writein,or just write in “NONE OF THE ABOVE”
The One is definately has his finger on the pulse of america…..
Lets see, the biggest complaints about the Bush Administration and some of the biggest issues America faces today. Here are a very few (I’m SURE the libtard on here can give me more but..)
1. The economy
2. The Mortgage crises
3. Iraq and Afganistan
4. Iran
5. Unemployment
6. Energy / gas prices
7. Homeland security.
8. Illegal immigration
9. Education.
You want to know how the one has been addressing these problems? (I mean what he has DONE.)
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S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.
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Or how about this one?
S.Res. 600: A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as “Freedom Summer”.
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S.Res. 268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as “National Summer Learning Day”.
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S.Res. 133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
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S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007
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Jul 29, 2008 S.Con.Res. 96: A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, a woman whose bravery saved the lives of thousands during the Holocaust and remembering her legacy of courage, selflessness, and hope.
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S.Con.Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
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S.Con.Res. 44: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.
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S.Con.Res. 5: A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
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S.J.Res. 23: A joint resolution clarifying that the use of force against Iran is not authorized by the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq, any resolution previously adopted, or any other provision of law.
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S.Res. 628: A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.
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S.Res. 383: A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.
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I think he’s done a wonderful job addressing the concerns of the american people. Don’t YOU Crapon, maggotpuke, Phaturd, peepee_mom and beejay.
I mean hell, at least he didn’t FIRE anyone!
“S.Res. 628: A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.”
yeah, how effing communist can you get?
From William Katz at Powerline.
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Why? Because “one of our own made it.” They liked seeing Jimmy, in his Hickey-Freeman, sitting down with all those management big shots. They liked it that this guy who came from the same streets they did could glance at the same Longines watch that the executives had wrapped around their chubby wrists. “One of our own made it.”
That’s the secret of Sarah Palin. When large numbers of American women, and men, look at her, they see themselves. And they see that a mother, married to a guy who works with his hands, can make it. And they deeply resent those who tear her down and push her out. The journalists trying to destroy Sarah Palin are the same ones who claim to root for “the little people.” Yet, they would never think of associating with them, and they’d be appalled if one of their children married into the Palin family. How does one explain it at the Princeton Club?
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021547.php
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KandiNathan
Posted September 18, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
“S.Res. 628: A resolution expressing support for the designation of Disability Pride Day and recognizing that all people, including people living with disabilities, have the right, responsibility, and ability to be active, contributing members of society and fully engaged as citizens of the United States.”
yeah, how effing communist can you get?
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I see RedWhiteNMonkey is at it again.
“Heckler” cites William Katz at Powerline –
“…the secret of Sarah Palin. When large numbers of American women, and men, look at her, they see themselves….”
And one of the things they see is they just might not be the second-best qualified person to be the leader of the Free World.
The Palin bounce is deflating as the Moose-Dresser keeps revealing that deep down she’s shallow.
And the real issue isn’t about the Snow-Billy, it’s about the judgment of a man who would pick such a bim-bunny for his running-mate.
Thanks for proving yourself a liar, Sunflower5.
What you posted upthread is not what you posted in response to the letter against Hedke.
You said that 1. Chappell’s company had made money by selling a finance plan to the board (it hadn’t) and that 2. Chappell’s endorsements were bogus.
You have already regneged on your first claim and you refuse to comment on your second.
“I see RedWhiteNMonkey is at it again.”
Get a grip, outlander. Obama has a burka waiting for you. After he dresses you in it, he will make sure his millions of minions probe you anally. Bet you won’t like that – it’s one of those things the demon crats live for.
Some interesting developments on the cracked Palin email account story.
A columnist at Huffington Post made this claim:
“A strange hacking incident earlier today tied up another loose end for Gov. Sarah Palin.
Overnight, one of Palin’s Yahoo e-mail accounts was compromised, allegedly by the leaderless collective of hackers known as “Anonymous.” Hackers apparently cracked the password to the e-mail address “gov.palin@yahoo.com,” posted it to a public forum, and then multiple users copied some of the e-mails and information the account contained.
>This morning one user reset the password, notified a Palin aide of the security breach, and the Yahoo account was soon deleted. Simultaneously, a second personal Yahoo account used by Palin, “gov.sarah@yahoo.com,” was also deleted.
The author’s claim is clearly conspiratorial in nature. After all, the guv is currently being sued to reveal the contents of those emails, and would thus be directly interference with the subject of am FOIA lawsuit. And why would the account that was not compromised be deleted?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/sarah-palins-yahoo-e-mail_b_127177.html
But were they in fact deleted? Well, I took a look.
In all technical aspects, it looks like both accounts were indeed deactivated, either by the user (they can do that themselves quite easily), or by someone at Yahoo. Yahoo would only do this at the user’s request.
One may charitably assume that, having had one account violated, the governor “freaked” and deleted both accounts to head off any future intrusions. Ma and Pa wouldn’t do that (they wouldn’t want to lose everything they had in those accounts), but then Ma and Pa won’t see the results on the evening news either.
While the blind-panic scenario is seriously unflattering to the Governor, the alternative presumption (i.e. Palin “freaked” at the possibility of incriminating stuff getting out) is far worse.
This then leaves the little matter of state business emails being deleted. Are they really gone? Probably not, yet.
If you ask Yahoo! to delete your Yahoo! account, in most cases your account will be deactivated and then deleted from our user registration database in approximately 90 days. This delay is necessary to discourage users from engaging in fraudulent activity.
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Please note that any information that we have copied may remain in back-up storage for some period of time after your deletion request. This may be the case even though no information about your account remains in our active user databases.
http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/datastorage/details.html
Still, if I was the one suing to release those emails, I would be talking to a judge about now.
Interesting quote on Thomas Jefferson. I wonder if the poster aggrees with Jefferson regarding the wall that separates chuch and state.
It seems very common. Agree with Jefferson economically (which I do) but don’t agree with him regarding separation of Church and state (which I also do)
How about a few more Jeffersonian quotes since we are on the subject:
1, What all agree upon is probably right; what no two agree in most probably is wrong.
2. Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
3. I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
4. It is surely time for men to think for themselves, and to throw off the authority of names so artificially magnified.
Or my favorite:
5. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbors to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
Bob Barr for President.
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/?s0820
CraponAmerica is a registered member of the demoncrats, Butt Pirates.
Hehe, good come-back, BlueJ.
It would be a lot more persuasive if a man who owned slaves hadn’t been the one talking about people benefiting from other people’s work.
In light of the great Jefferson quotes I’ve read above, I must ask the question:
Is everyone here ready to go back to a Gold Standard and get rid of the Federal Reserve System once our FIAT currency crashes?
We will have a choice to make after the crash. Do we listen to those who caused the problem, or do we let the market decide which currency is best?
We are witnessing the unwinding of malinvestment due to our FIAT system. It is time to take back our country and rebuild the wealth of this great nation.
Slaves lived better than the slaves this country has produced today Capn.
At least they knew they were slaves. You haven’t the foggiest.
“The owner of the Storchen restaurant in the exclusive Winterthur resort will improve his menu with local specialities such as meat stew and various soups and sauces containing at least 75 per cent of mother’s milk”
That is just disturbing. I can;t really tell you why, it just is.
Thomas Jefferson’s Ten Rules:
1. Never put off tomorrow what you can do today.
2. Never trouble another for what you can do yourself.
3. Never spend money before you have earned it.
4. Never buy what you don’t want because it is cheap.
5. Pride cost more than hunger, thirst, and cold.
6. We seldom repent of havien eaten too little.
7. Nothing is troublesome that we do willingly.
8. How much pain the evils cost us that never happened.
9. Take things always by the smotth handle.
10. When angry, count to ten before you speak; If very angry, count to a hundred.
Many like to refer to America as the engine driving the world economy.
We are actually the caboose. We do not produce like we used to. All we do is consume. The countries that produce what we consume are the ones creating real wealth.
It is time for America to start producing more and consuming less. We are losing the wealth of our nation.
Perhaps so Austrian. But many today prefer their slavery. The Irony of Fyador Dostoyevski’s writing is strong. “The weak man has no use for freedom.”
Benjamin Franklin said basically the same thing. But it is usually spoken of only when someone wants more economic freedom. Seldom is it spoken of for personal freedoms except, perhaps, when it comes to guns.
It’s always seems a bit one sided. Doesn’t it?
Austrailian_Economy_sized- It is time for America to start producing more and consuming less. We are losing the wealth of our nation.
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Start with yourself and get the F back to work……
ThomJefferson’s rules:
Never trouble another for what you can do yourself unless they’re effing slaves!
>1, What all agree upon is probably right; what no two agree in most probably is wrong. <
A lie is never the truth… even if everyone believes it, and the truth is still the truth… even if nobody believes it.
We work to provide for the government to spend our money how they see fit.
The people in office lie to us and spend money for the benifit of one group at the expense of another.
I am puzzled by those who defend the status quo, ie, Democrat or Republican.
There is no difference. We need to ask ourselves this fundamental question:
What is the role of government?
I thought it was to protect our freedoms stated in the Constitution.
Most think it is to provide for them. This way they don’t have to produce at all.
Freedom is truly null and void for those who rely upon the leviathan state.
How inconvenient. One of Thomas Jefferson’s quotes doesn’t fit into a paradigm. I suppose that quote won’t be used.
But I do agree with Raptor. I wish we had someone with Thomas Jefferson’s wisdom around today.
Slavery was common back then. It was not morally frowned upon like it is today.
His slaves lived better than the slaves in the United States today.
Like I said earlier, at least they knew they were slaves.
Jefferson’s ideas are still valid, even if he had slaves or not.
Quit playing the discredit game and look at the message, not the messanger.
McCain and Obama will never be half the man that Jefferson was.
There were people running for president that had this kind of honesty and integrity, but most Americans don’t go for that anymore.
biased1
Posted September 18, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink
Austrailian_Economy_sized- It is time for America to start producing more and consuming less. We are losing the wealth of our nation.
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Start with yourself and get the F back to work……
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It’s probably more productive for me to infuse this message with your mind than for me to balance my checkbook at this moment.
I wouldn’t go that far Austrian. I’m not going to get into “where have you gone Joe Dimagio?” that doesn’t do any good.
Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” works on many issues.
There is no difference.
As someone who has been known to vote for Independent, Green, and even occasionally Libertarian candidates, I roll my eyes at a statement like this.
The two major parties have become more alike as time goes on, largely due to being beholden to the same corporate interests. But if one pretends the role of government is to do nothing other maximize freedom and get out of the way, remember that the next time you eat a hamburger, get on an airplane, or buy a toy for your child.
And to say there is “no difference” in the parties is a statement of woeful, profound ignorance, even if one is limited to the one issue of protecting personal freedoms.
I’m a great admirer of Jefferson, but I don’t excuse his slaveholding. I just regard it as a moral failing of a flawed human being at a time when his peers were doing the same thing, and was regarded as “standard pratice” for Southern landowners. He must have known, deep down, it was in complete contradiction of every principle he advocated and, indeed, some of his contemporary writings hint as such unease–particularly the passage about the slave trade in the Declaration of Independence (deleted in the final draft)declaring the slave trade an “execrable commerce.”
I agree Rage.
I find Jefferson to be a man fighting that very internal conflict with himself.
Slaves were just too dang convenient. I read where he treated his slaves with dignity. They ate well, had places to eat and sleep. They worked for him and he paid them with real life neccesities.
If I eat a hamburger and get sick. I have learned not to eat that hamburger again. If I am truly worried about flying, I won’t fly. If children get sick from toys, I don’t buy that toy.
If a product is flawed, I can choose for myself not to buy it. I don’t need my tax dollars deciding what is good for me and what isn’t.
Does that sound heartless? I think not. I just feel compelled to take care of myself and mine. If we all took care of ourselves, we’d be fine.
Those who live for the leviathan state could care less. I’d rather teach those who are dependant a different way to live their lives.
God did not put me on this Earth to let other people run my life. He made me a capable person. To force me to rely on someone because others choose not to do the same thing is morally wrong. God created individuals, not groups of people.
P.S. I wonder if the poster aggrees with Jefferson regarding the wall that separates chuch and state.
Yep. Raptor is a die-hard Republican, but he has been almost always been opposed to religion and government intermingling (and I only say “almost” because he seems to have turned a blind eye to the ideology of Sarah Palin lately).
Does that sound heartless?
Naw. Just stupid.
I don’t recall seeing a single Democrat answering these questions:
If you are for tax increases, how much more money ARE YOU wanting to pay in taxes?
How much do you pay now in Federal taxes?
How much do you want to pay in Federal taxes?
Max, democrats don’t have answers, only complaints.
Higher taxes is the solution, say you Democrats.
But you want SOMEONE ELSE to pay those higher taxes.
Just like Global Warming solutions or anything else, you want SOMEONE ELSE to pay for you. YOU don’t want to pay anything, do you?
I disagree Anti, the Dems offer up many solutions –
Solutions that are paid for by SOMEONE ELSE.
(They are true S o c i a l i s t s.)
Rage
Posted September 18, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
Does that sound heartless?
Naw. Just stupid.
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Surely you would care to elaborate?
Are you saying that people are not capable of finding out things for themselves?
The end of Keynesian Economics is upon us.
Thank God!
Oops, the codeword for Socialist is now –
P r o g r e s s i v e !!!
Who can be against anything that is named Progressive?
No one is against progress afterall.
Name a turd Obama, add a sprinkle of Hope & Change, and you can convince any Democrat to buy that crap.
Australian_Economist
Posted September 18, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
The end of Keynesian Economics is upon us.
Thank God!
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Go back to australia and take your economy AND your tinfoil hat……….
frikkin’ aussies….
Max- How do you propose to pay the 40% of the entire US national think/worry about that; do we just dump that debt on later generations and go about our business?
40% of what? Huh?
I forgot, the way to pay those pesky bills is More “volume borrowing”! No problemo!!
I propose we cut spending as much as possible.
I propose we not consider One New Program, until we can pay for All Existing Programs.
And we need a fair tax system, like Max’s Modified Flat tax approach. A modified flat percentage is the fairest tax of all. Allow every individual to earn $25,000 tax free, then charge a X% (say 20%) tax on everything above $25,000.
But you Libs, won’t be happy if you have to pay for anything. In fact, you won’t be happy until your tax is Zero, AND you get a EIC back too.
gster, can you write a complete sentence please?
Damn publik edukation.
MaxGrobnik
Posted September 18, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
I disagree Anti, the Dems offer up many solutions –
Solutions that are paid for by SOMEONE ELSE.
(They are true S o c i a l i s t s.)
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Point taken. I was referencing democrats without power.
Are you saying that people are not capable of finding out things for themselves?
Sure they can. And maybe you won’t be the one who’s killed, maimed, or poisoned. Maybe.
Yeah, I get it: life has risks. Sometimes taking risks is necessary to get the benefit. But the Holy Market only corrects unnecessary risks at the macro scale (such as selling beef tainted with e. coli or BSE) long after great carnage has occurred. One may recall the tale of the Pinto, wherein the befanged lawyers and bean-counters determined it was cheaper to pay off lawsuits than reveal and fix the explosive gas-tank issue.
Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle” is instructive, as is the history of the FDA.
Moreever, workers who cannot unionize (and even some who can) are at the mercy of employers who perpetuate unsafe and unsanitary conditions, without bad ol’ freedom-killing government safety rules. That, too, has its own history in unregulated reality. None of these issues are new.
You people who think the Free Market will somehow address every issue crack me up.
From an email…
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Just moments ago, Bob Barr and our campaign manager, Russ Verney, stood on the steps of the Supreme Court of Texas to rally a crowd of supporters and answer questions from the media.
Today, we filed an emergency stay to prevent the Texas Secretary of State from printing ballots until after our case was decided.
For a quick recap, earlier this week we filed a lawsuit to remove both John McCain and Barack Obama from the Texas ballot. Texas election code §192.031 requires that the “written certification” of the “party’s nominees” be delivered “before 5 p.m. of the 70th day before election day” and both candidates missed that deadline.
When this story first broke, the New York Times , took a jab at us saying that if our campaign prevailed in Texas, the action may, “thoroughly alarm foreign investors.”
This morning, political pundits beholden to the status quo got a bit more serious. In a scathing hit piece published by CQ Politics, Craig Crawford wrote that Bob is in Texas “promoting a bogus claim that John McCain and Barack Obama should not be on the state ballot in November.”
Sorry, Craig, but you might want to do your homework the next time before you put pen to paper.
When we missed our deadline in West Virginia (a month before Republicans and Democrats were required to file I might add), we were forced off of the ballot. The law is clear and belonging to the Republican or Democrat party does not exempt you from its rule.
Politically biased members of the media are going to move into position and recite talking points that read “BOGUS” each time they are given the opportunity to do so. They’ll also be sure to throw in a few other stretches of the imagination or bits of misinformation to smear our candidate and our Libertarian Party.
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‘Experts Don’t Yahoo! Over Palin’s E-Mail Practices‘
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5830813&page=1
“The practice is dangerous, said experts, and can run counter to laws ensuring government is open and accountable — a tough point for Palin, who has made “open government” a catchphrase of her political identity.”
Dow making big move up on talk that gov. might set up a repository, shades of S&L crisis. How much will Cindy make on this one?
Mccain says he knows the economy, as chairman of the Commerce Committee he was responsible for all areas of the economy!
Obama responds, Nice Job, Senator Mccain. Where are you getting these lines?
Phantom, another RTC, huh? Only this one would be RTC on steroids, given the size of the problem in the markets. I’m wondering how this will fly in the Congress?
Rags- You people who think the Free Market will somehow address every issue crack me up.
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The free market takes care of MARKET issues.
I say F-osha, the fcc, fda, fema, faa and every other regulatory/safety program/office.
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Darwin will take care of the rest…..
I’m wondering how this will fly in the Congress?
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They are going on vacation. See my post way above.
They better get a supoena request into Yahoo! Which yahoo, would probably fight, and would successfully cause a delay in getting resolution until after the election.
Politics as usual. Where are the Reformers when you need them? Those that would infuse govt. with their high ethical standards? No where to be found, unless you look to OBAMA!
Got it ANTI; just have a feeling that maybe they’ll return after the elections if the Administration is serious about it.
Phantasy-
Posted September 18, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
Mccain says he knows the economy, as chairman of the Commerce Committee he was responsible for all areas of the economy!
Obama responds, Nice Job, Senator Mccain. Where are you getting these lines?
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I have a plan. A stamp!
How about a resolution to recognize the economy..
THERE! That’ll fix it!
Husein ‘08!!
From an email…
Go Bob!! I’ll admit to some bias (it would otherwise almost certainly be a McCain state), but I’d also love to see such a long-overdue shutout of the major parties, just like they’ve been doing to third party candidates for years.
The result would also be interesting to see.
Also heard State Street is feelin tremendous pressure because of their holdings. Can 401k acct. holders say were screwed?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/09/18/bush.economy/index.html
Seems that it’s not only the Democrats being critical, but also some Republicans. There’s going to be a need for both sides to support the RTC-like concept, and I’m wondering if that support currently exists.
Phantom, any news on whether Morgan, Stanley and Wachovia are in fact in merger discussions?
http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm
KGram apparently never heard the stories about KKKarl Rove, so she thinks I’m making them up.
In 1986, Karl Rove bugged his own candidate’s office
From WIKIPEDIA:
“1986 William Clements, Jr. gubernatorial campaign
In 1986, Rove helped Clements become governor a second time. In a strategy memo Rove wrote for his client prior to the race, now among Clements’s papers in the Texas A&M University library, Rove quoted Napoleon: “The whole art of war consists in a well-reasoned and extremely circumspect defensive, followed by rapid and audacious attack.”
In 1986, just before a crucial debate in campaign, Rove claimed that his office had been bugged by Democrats. The police and FBI investigated and discovered that the bug’s battery was so small that it needed to be changed every few hours, and the investigation was dropped. Critics, including other Republican operatives, suspected Rove had bugged his own office to garner sympathy votes in the close governor’s race.”
Sidney’s plan – put his friend Keating in charge … again.
KKKarl Rove also sent a video tape of Bush’s practice debates to TeamGore, hoping that they would watch it so that Rove could then accuse them of cheating.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998233,00.html?promoid=googlep
I think either side might fear the fall out if the opposed it. It’s going to have to be floated a bit to get the publics response I’m sure.
…and arent we all glad that bushco’s privatization of social security never became a reality?
Otherwise?
Social Security, the safety net cons love to hate, would be down the crapper with Wall street.
And I’m quite sure, the cons would be happy with that. Prescott bush’s revenge. Maybe bushco can dig up Franklin Roosevelt and kill him. Again.
Captain, refresh my memory. What did rove do that got him fired from Bush41’s campaign?
I think there’s quite a few in talks, everyone’s wondering if the short sellers are going to make them their next target.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080918/bs_nm/financial_dc_54
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 18, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
Captain, refresh my memory. What did rove do that got him fired from Bush41’s campaign?
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Promoting a boy band?
“The fundamentals of our economy are strong.”
–John McCain
Just keep repeating that over the headlines of the newspaper every day . . .
biased1
Posted September 18, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
Australian_Economist
Posted September 18, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
The end of Keynesian Economics is upon us.
Thank God!
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Go back to australia and take your economy AND your tinfoil hat……….
frikkin’ aussies….
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Ummm Oh, biased1 —- Care to find your reading glasses?? Your tirade/rant is absolutely telling of your intelligence….
The poster upthread is: Austrian_Economist Please note >>>>
Austrian_Economist
Posted September 18, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
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WHY would he/she want to go to Australia?? Hmmmm????
Get a grip… your biases are showing!!
“KKKarl Rove also sent a video tape of Bush’s practice debates to TeamGore, hoping that they would watch it so that Rove could then accuse them of cheating.”
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As with a lot of, if not most of your stuff Capn, the link has no substance.
Have you seen or listened to Karl Rove? Darth Vader, right?
It makes me smile to think of how this guy was feared by the left.
Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush presidential campaign after he planted a negative story with columnist Robert Novak about dissatisfaction with campaign fundraising chief Robert Mosbacher Jr.
Even though Rove denied it, everybody knows he is a lying weasel so he was fired anyway.
outlander–
How’s that waiting on the rapture working out for ya?
Oh yeah. From Wiki.
“Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush presidential campaign after he planted a negative story with columnist Robert Novak about dissatisfaction with campaign fundraising chief Robert Mosbacher Jr. (Esquire Magazine, January 2003). Novak provided some evidence of motive in his column describing the firing of Mosbacher by former Senator Phil Gramm: “Also attending the session was political consultant Karl Rove, who had been shoved aside by Mosbacher.”
Novak and Rove deny that Rove was the leaker, but Mosbacher maintains, “Rove is the only one with a motive to leak this. We let him go. I still believe he did it.”[29] During testimony before the CIA leak grand jury, Rove apparently confirmed his prior involvement with Novak in the 1992 campaign leak, according to National Journal reporter Murray Waas.[30]“
Boogity Boogity Booo!!!!
Outlander, just what would YOU consider to be “substance”???
That could be a BIG story, if the Feds keep pressing it…. And YOU conclude it has no substance?? Care to rationalize that??
BTW, CNN has Florida TIED after McCain was way ahead.
Obama’s people they have registered close to a million new Democrats in Florida.
Polls show Obama ahead in Indiana.
Despair and die, RepubliCONs. Nobody is buying the sh! t you’re selling.
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CapnAmerica
Posted September 18, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink
outlander–
How’s that waiting on the rapture working out for ya?
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How’s that Bizarro world working out for you and your buddy BJ?
Biased1 doesn’t know the difference between the German-speaking European country called Austria and the antipodal continent of Australia.
Please tell me you were homeschooled.
Judging from the polls, outlander, not bad.
Not bad at all . . .
From the crazy religious file. Those fundies in the south do love their violence. Six in 10 White Southern Evangelicals approve of violent torture. I’m betting that Mel Gibson Jesus snuff film sold out down there.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-09-16-torture-baptists_N.htm?csp=34
Or maybe fundies are just into S&M, after all, do unto others….
Prayer for today:
Our Dear Heavenly Father,
Wheresoever thou choosest to send smug, self-righteous people like outlander and Nathan after death, please Lord, send me to the other place.
Amen.
So much for ignoring me, hey CapnAmerica?
The sad irony is that if we believe what you do about getting to heaven, there are no standards. So my being a smug, self-righteous person doesn’t mean anything at all.
I understand that Austrian economic theories are what Charles Koch based his business theories on.
Don’t worry Captain, if heaven was such a great place Christians wouldn’t buy health care. Perhaps that’s why Republicans have no health care plan, they just want people to get to “heaven” quicker.
Maggotpunk,
What does having health care have to do with Heaven being a great place or not?
We have health care not because we are worried about death and what is beyond, but because we would rather not be miserable until death.
Ooooo…A test here. Will /CapnAmerica, an avowed Christian take offense at Maggie’s inane first sentence? I’m guessing not.
KraponAmeriKa- KKKarl Rove??
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How IS that old “southern democrat” senator byrd doing anyway, is he still kickin’?
I heard he just got a lifetime acheivement reward from the afore referenced association.
Did he cry and say he was sorry?
Do you think the One will get him a stamp?
Nathan, why would you want health care if it meant prolonging the time you have to spend apart from heaven? The Christian thing to do would be to die as soon as possible. It’s a pro-death religion.
Outlander,
Of course not. CapnAmerica routinely sides with maggotpunk in making fun of us as well. When Maggotpunk rejects the idea of any diety.
It is amazing how both Chas and CapnAmerica routinely side with those who no only attack us as Christians but the entire notion of there even being a God at all and having faith in one.
Maggotpuke- Do you take christmas holiday?
Maggotpunk,
Because it is not my job to get to heaven by cheating my life here on Earth.
I still have time to share the Lord’s word and to help others.
If we are all just focused on being dead to get to heaven, we are kind of missing the point.
For those who recognize that I am a believer in Austrian Economics and not Australian Economics, I thank you.
Biased1. I think it would behoove you to learn about Austrian Economics as opposed to Keynesian Economics.
I am not saying that I have all the answers to Foreign Policy or Social Issues, but I do have a decent solution for our economy and Monetary Policy.
Coincidentally, if you take care of the economy and Monetary Policy, you inevitably impact Foreign Policy and Social issues.
Rage. If someone is willing, meaning of their free will, to work in an environment not conducive to good health and safety issues, who is anyone to tell them no? I do believe that imports should be inspected for safety. Meat, toys, et al.
The market solves more than you think. We as individuals make up the market. We decide the direction of industry, not government. Deciding who gets bailed out and who doesn’t shows favortism and that is wrong.
Benefiting one group at the expense of another is wrong. Tax dollars should never be spent to do this very thing. Remember that when you see where government money goes.
So Nathan, since it’s an “attack” are you saying that heaven is a lousy place to be? Or are you ashamed that I again pointed out an absurdity of your religion?
What is the absurd part?
That we are love our neighbor as ourselves and love God with all our hearts?
Or that we are mindful of the fact we are ALL sinners seperated from God and in need of a savior?
Maggotpunk,
Now you are using the false dilemma logical fallacy.
Maggie, I’d like to buy you for what your arguments are actually worth and then sell you for what you have deluded yourself into thinking they are worth.
outlander
Posted September 18, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink
I understand that Austrian economic theories are what Charles Koch based his business theories on.
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That is why they are the biggest, most successful, and giving private company in the world.
I would work there if I wasn’t such a capitalist, entrepreneur at heart. I may after I finish my Master’s degree, but that would only be for the sole purpose of learning and growing my entrepreneurial mind.
They actually pay you and give you raises based on what value and production you provide the company. None of this seniority garbage. You must always be willing to learn and grow there. it is probably one of the most fulfilling places to work for those who love learning and growing as individuals.
I just read his book, “The Science of Success”. He quotes a lot of Austrian Economist and gives a fabulous list of sources and definitions in the back of his book.
His company should be a benchmark for all companies accross the globe.
I agree, Koch is indeed a great place to work.
I figured that is where your nic came from. I am also reading his book.
CapnAmerica
Posted September 18, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink
Biased1 doesn’t know the difference between the German-speaking European country called Austria and the antipodal continent of Australia.
Please tell me you were homeschooled.
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Surely you mean, “What Public School did you attend?”
lol
“What is the absurd part?
That we are love our neighbor as ourselves and love God with all our hearts?
Or that we are mindful of the fact we are ALL sinners seperated from God and in need of a savior?”
As I pointed out above 60% of White Evangelicals love the idea of torture. I don’t want you fundies loving me in the same way you enjoy your S&M fantasies. Nor do I want you to love me like the prophet from Washington when he went on that killing spree for God.
Only sheep need a shepherd. I’m not part of your loony cult.
Nathan, I am not seeing any attacks on Christians here — Only attacks BY Christians… Besides, I recall reading that Jesus said we would be persecuted because of our beliefs….
“Maggie, I’d like to buy you for what your arguments are actually worth and then sell you for what you have deluded yourself into thinking they are worth.”
Too bad I’m not female because, according to the Christian religion, they are worth 3/5 the value of a man. But since your religion approves of slavery I can see your compulsion for wanting to buy people.
Maggotpunk,
“love” the idea of torture?
I read your link, I failed to see that part anywhere there.
Just another example of how you lie about things and distort them in a discussion.
As I said last time you ran away from a conversation with me, you are simply outclassed.
I’m wondering if you spin this fallicies yourself or have some kind of hate site where you find your slander.
“As I said last time you ran away from a conversation with me, you are simply outclassed.”
You’re right. Nobody outclassing me on an inability to read quite the way you do.
Chas,
Do you even stop to read the things Maggotpunk says?
outlander
Posted September 18, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink
I figured that is where your nic came from. I am also reading his book.
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My name came from Ron Paul actually. I was delighted to know that Koch operated under Austrian philospohy though. My wife is a teacher at Friends and she got the book for me from Koch during a coop meeting.
During Ron Paul’s run, I get turned onto Austrian Econ. I had never heard of anything but Keynesian. Imagine my surprise when I learned that Economics was actually common sense and not as boring as what we were taught in school.
I love it and am never turning back. It just makes too much sense. I will be attending their yearly University in Auburn, Alabama in the coming years. It is a week long and you get indoctrinated with so much useful knowledge. I am very excited about attending.
There is a lecture every hour for a week and you just pick the lectures that interest you and then you take a test on the last day to get certified. The test is hard, but shouldn’t be hard if you love what you are learning.
It is not accreditted, but you don’t need accrediation to understand something. I could read books on a subject and get it just as well as a kid with a degree. It’s all about your mindset really.
Check out http://www.mises.org if you really want to learn more. There is so much free information, that you’d never get through it in your lifetime. Free e-books, free podcast, free lecture downloads. It is truly a think tank for free market economists.
“I’m wondering if you spin this fallicies yourself or have some kind of hate site where you find your slander.”
Yeah, they’re all here:
http://www.biblegateway.com
Interestingly the latest poll I can find is a quick searc shows 63% of ALL Americans “loving” tortue by MP’s logic.
capass you are so full of bs.
I never said he made money I said he tried.
I never said his endorsements were bogus.
I don’t know what letter you are referring to. I have only commented in the blogs.
Reading is pretty simple:
“A new poll finds that nearly six in 10 white Southern evangelicals believe torture is justified”
In fundy land pointing out the results of a survey is considered hate speech.
Actually, the majority of Americans aren’t happy with Obama or McCain. Only 34% of Americans vote for Republicans or Democrats.
If we could harness the power of the non-voter, we’d be the majority and we could leave this joke of a two-party system behind.
Mr Kia. You raise an interesting question. I have spoken of this often. But I will do so…..again.
Your question is what is absurd about your faith.
The question is way too easy to answer. For starters: I don’t see why you would believe that our creator either couldn’t or wouldn’t forgive us until someone died. Not only that, but the same creator can’t or won’t forgive us until we BELIEVE in said death. And then to top it off. We have to believe it LITERALLY or same creator can’t or won’t…. well you get the idea.
This is how your definition of the creator is absurd. That’s the 5th time I have had to say so. Something tells me I will be doing so….yet again
http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2006a/032406/032406h.htm
Well good for Southern Evangelical Christians. They are 3% less than the general population in its approving of tortue.
Ever heard of “Just war”?
We haven’t had one of those for a long time.
Torture is not christian like. I just interpret Jesus Christ and his message a little differently though.
Love and peace. Love thy enemy. Peace for all nations. That kind of stuff.
From the same article as I mentioned:
“The findings of this poll, which did not define torture, compared to a Pew Research Center poll from February that found that 48% of the general public think torture can be justified.”
It’s always better to use a more recent poll than one that is over two years old.
THE MAGGOTPUNK SPIN MACHINE:
What was actually said:
“A new poll finds that nearly six in 10 white Southern evangelicals believe torture is justified”
AFTER MAGGOTPUNK SPIN:
“As I pointed out above 60% of White Evangelicals love the idea of torture.”
WHAT THE ARTICLE ALSO CLARIFIED AND NARROWED:
“The poll released Thursday, commissioned by Faith in Public Life and Mercer University, found that 57% of respondents said torture can be often or sometimes justified to gain important information from suspected terrorists.”
Maggotpunk,
Clearly, I can read just fine. It is you who can’t seem to type the truth very well without spin.
SIMPLIFIED:
“believe torture is justified”
DOESN’T EQUAL
“love the idea of torture”
unless you are inside Maggotpunks twisted liberal head.
Too bad I’m not female because, according to the Christian religion, they are worth 3/5 the value of a man. But since your religion approves of slavery I can see your compulsion for wanting to buy people.
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What scripture specifically do you prevert to come up with this gem?
LLTVET,
So why is your definition of the creator any less absurd?
What do you base “your definition” on?
Senator McCain said today that as President, he would fire the chairman of the SEC.
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/mccain_id_fire_chris_cox.html
Someone needs to tell his speech writers that the President cannot fire the chairman of the SEC. While the President appoints, and the Senate gives “advice and consent”, the SEC is one of those independent agencies where the head thereof does not serve “at the pleasure of the President”. FDR found out that he couldn’t fire the head of the FTC; I don’t recall the name of the case, but SCOTUS held this unconstitutional in 1935, IIRC.
While a small thing, to be sure, it doesn’t enhance Sen. McCain’s credibility to make such a statement.
Nathaniel. I am not going to be presumptious enough to think that I can define the creator. I Don’t need to have the creator defined.
Much like asking: “what will happen to you when you die.”
I don’t know chief. I’ve never died before. I don’t need to know. And I don’t need to know what the definition of the creator is.
In my view, it is less absurd because it doesn’t attempt to define something that no human mind can define.
You asked.
Nate, click on Maggot’s nic, go to his site, look for Doug and his pics, read his rants. The guy is one hell of a freaky kookster.
How about McCain abolish the Federal Reserve System?
Cut the beast head off!
Our current monetary policy is unsustainable. You cannot create a money based on debt. Pretty soon, you have more interest to pay than you have of actual money.
That is why Jefferson and Adams warned us that if we allowed a central bank to control our money we would wake up one day with a country owned by corporations and banks. This was the prime reason for the Revolutionary war.
ANTI
Posted September 18, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
Nate, click on Maggot’s nic, go to his site, look for Doug and his pics, read his rants. The guy is one hell of a freaky kookster.
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Want to really get under that groups skin?
Pray for them!
LLTVET,
Yet you are being so presumptious enough to claim that the “creator” wouldn’t do the very things that those of us Christians believe.
Yet you are defining the “creator” by saying that what we believe as Christians is absurd.
If you truly don’t know and have no need to know then how can you sit on the sidelines throwing peanuts at us Christians for what we believe?
For all you know, or are claiming to know, we are right. You just don’t care, at least that is what you are attempting to claim here.
Yet that is not what you do at all. You do attempt to define the “creator.”
“…the President cannot fire the chairman of the SEC. While the President appoints, and the Senate gives “advice and consent”, the SEC is one of those independent agencies where the head thereof does not serve “at the pleasure of the President”.”
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Maybe McCain can schedule some coaching sessions with the Republican leaders responsible for the mess we’re currently in who coaching, prepping, packaging Gov. Palin and both of them can become informed of how government works!
The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday approved the largest adoption incentives bill since 1997, doubling the amount of funding available to states for some abortions, while the number of abortions remains on the decline, since Planned Parenthood refuses to counsel mothers against committing profitable contract killings of their children.
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Another big political battle brews over South Dakota’s second attempt to ban most abortions. Initiated Measure 11 will this time sanction the contract killings of children conceived in rape and incest, acknowledging that such babies must be less human and certainly guilty of the crime of their conception, and unworthy of adoption.
Check out this Koch article on the problem of uninsured people in Kansas:
http://www.flinthills.org/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,12/dir,DESC/order,date/limit,15/limitstart,15/
(you will have to scroll past the middle of this page to get to the pdf – Title: “The uninsured in Kansas: A closer look”)
The uninsured in Kansas is ‘not really a problem, you see, because many of the uninsured are wealthy or young.’
Those dudes have some impressive answers, now don’t they?
The Eagle treats them with reverence and will gratefully publish any of the propaganda pieces they offer.
Remember the Koch grandfather was one of the founding members of the John Birch Society. The same organization that called John F. Kennedy “a communist” – real nice people…
The Koch’s are among the 50 richest people on the planet earth. They have the same problems you do, and are looking out after you the best they can, hence all of their non-profit public policy efforts. :)
Nathaniel: Your definition is absurd. Beliefs are never absurd as long as they are worth believing in. That is why it is called a faith. Like Santa Clause.
Now if you wish to twist the context to make sure that I am defining. Fine. In the same way that not choosing is a choice, I am defining by saying that “GOD” if you must, is undefinable. (EYEROLL) WHATEVER.
Steven,
Many of the uninsured are wealthy or young.
Koch does quite a bit for the community. You need not go much further than right next to the Koch Tower to see 3 schools which are built on lands donated by Koch.
That is only one example of his giving to others.
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LLTVET
Posted September 18, 2008 at 5:12 pm | Permalink
Nathaniel: Your definition is absurd. Beliefs are never absurd as long as they are worth believing in. That is why it is called a faith. Like Santa Clause.
Now if you wish to twist the context to make sure that I am defining. Fine. In the same way that not choosing is a choice, I am defining by saying that “GOD” if you must, is undefinable. (EYEROLL) WHATEVER.
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Santa is a belief, not faith.
You realize that Biden said it is Patriotic to pay higher taxes.
All you Patriotic Democrats should immediately get your check books out, and send all your money to the IRS.
And you would help build a great economy too, ya know, cause you Libs think Higher Taxes makes a stronger economy.
So, how much are you sending to the IRS today?
I don’t recall seeing a single Democrat answering these questions:
If you are for tax increases, how much more money ARE YOU wanting to pay in taxes?
How much do you pay now in Federal taxes?
How much do you want to pay in Federal taxes?
What is the difference Regular?
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LLTVET,
Ok, talk about a self defeating statement???
“Your definition is absurd.”
And then
“Beliefs are never absurd as long as they are worth believing in.”
So which is it? First you say what I believe is absurd and then you say that something worth believing in is not absurd.
Or are you saying that you don’t find what I believe to be worthy so it is absurd?
Your logic (or complete lack of) makes no sense.
“Maggotpunk
Posted September 18, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
From the nutty religious files:
Mickey Mouse must die!
So sayeth a Muslim cleric. Someone needs to tell these guys that cartoons aren’t real.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/2963744/Mickey-Mouse-must-die-says-Saudi-Arabian-cleric.html
Then again, Jerry Falwell thought a Telle Tubby with no genitals was gay.”
Just shows how crazy the Abrahamist extremists are.
Max – I am not going to divulge my private financial information as you demand. Are you willing to do so?
Nathaniel; You do know the difference between a belief and a definition. Right?
Your definition of God (needing to kill someone) is not worth belief and absurd.
Faith, as it pertains to religion is a practice of beliefs by ceremony and custom which utilizes a central focus to apply rules of behavior in accordance with written or oral tradition. Faith requires a long term of commitment, instead of a specific ceremony or event.
Belief is a acceptance of a circumstance, that is influenced by culture and then furthers the practice of that belief by repeating the custom/practice. Belief can be temporary; i.e. like the child’s belief in Santa occurs most strongly around Christmas and there are no instructions ‘taught’ to them other than remaining ‘good’ throughout the year. Belief doesn’t require that a commitment be made, as it is used to reinforce events rather than a lifestyle focused on religious beliefs.
Santa wears a red suite and has eight tiny reindeer pulling a sled that flies through the sky.
The various religious faiths, not so much.
Now Nathaniel: If that definition were true. Then one can BELIEVE. Why not Jesus?
LLTVET,
I was thinking about it for a bit and I think I have accidently allowed the conversation to get side tracked into a battle on what a “definition” is.
When you first attempted to claim that what we do is attempt to “define” God, I should have corrected you in saying that what we do is no more am attempt to define God than what you are doing.
We do not attempt to define God at all. At least not any more or less than you do with your claims.
LLTVET,
Watch how easy this is:
Your definition of God is not worth belief and absurd.
As I clearly pointed out before, what is it that makes your “definition” of God any more “worth” belief and not absurd?
Airport Project Wins $4.8 Million FAA Grant
Date: September 18, 2008
Contact: Dale Goter, Government Relations Manager
E-mail: DGoter@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 371-0134
Contact: Victor White, Director of Airports
E-mail: VWhite@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 946-4701
Plans for a new terminal building at Wichita’s Mid Continent Airport got another boost from the U.S. Department of Transportation Thursday with the announcement of a $4.8 million discretionary grant from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
The funds will be used for construction of the second phase of the aircraft parking ramp and is a key component of the overall $150 million project slated for completion in 2012. Final engineering and architectural design of the project is currently being completed, and construction of the terminal building could start as early as next summer, according to Victor White, City of Wichita Director of Airports.
The process was aided by a joint letter of support signed by U.S. Sens. Pat Roberts and Sam Brownback, along with 4th District Congressman Todd Tiahrt, First District Congressman Jerry Moran and 2nd District Congresswoman Nancy Boyda.
“This next phase of grant funding is great news for the Wichita area, and for the entire state of Kansas,” Brownback said. “The Wichita Mid-Continent Airport over the next several years is undergoing an expansion process that will greatly benefit travelers across the state.”
Congressman Tiahrt echoed the praise for the new project.
“Mid-Continent Airport’s new passenger terminal will help make Kansans and visitors feel more comfortable and welcome when traveling to Wichita,” Tiahrt said. “The new terminal will help increase tourism and business opportunities for our community. I strongly support federal funding for this project that will benefit travelers and the general aviation community by providing expanded space.”
U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts complemented the City of Wichita on its progress towards a new terminal.
“Congratulations to the City of Wichita for securing this award and for their excellent administration of this project,” Roberts said. “Increased efficiency and effectiveness at Mid Continent benefits us all and is a great investment to the Wichita and state economy.”
Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer thanked the delegation for its support of the Wichita airport project.
“This is another great example of the productive partnerships between local and federal governments,” Mayor Brewer said. “We are deeply thankful for the efforts of our Congressional delegation and recognize the vital role they play in improving the quality of life in our community.”
The grant application from the City of Wichita survived a competitive process within the U.S. Department of Transportation, White said. The airport has received more than $20 million in grant funds from the FAA so far this year for the project.
The $150 million cost of the new terminal will be paid with a combination of federal aviation trust fund user fees from the U.S. Department of Transportation and Transportation Security Administration, airport users fees, airline rentals and other airport revenues. No local tax dollars or federal general taxpayer funds will be used on the project, White said.
That belief wouldn’t be absurd. But first. Why is your definition of God true. Twist all you want chief. You can look good on here. You can feel vindicated. Now if I have offended you by answering Mr. Kia’s question. That’s unfortunate. But I am not just taking pot shots. I don’t talk about this until someone asks.
LLTVET,
What belief wouldn’t be absurd and why?
I don’t believe that I am “defining” God. what makes it true is that it has been clearly outlined in the Bible and I believe the Bible to be true.
What makes what you believe “true?”
You have not offended me at all. I simply love the irony of people like you claiming the things you do when you can’t even see that you are logically just as “guilty” of what you attempt to say about other.
Nathaniel: Maybe I misunderstand. So you DON’T accept the premise that “God” needs some sort of a death before he can or will forgive us.
Perhaps I should be more clear. You ACCEPT a definition that needs to be looked at much closer.
But you might not necessarily Define.
Fair enough
I must go home. But if you like Nathaniel, we can finish later on my home PC.
LLTVET,
I think you are grossly misrepresenting what we as Christians believe when it comes to the sacrifice Christ made for us.
God doesn’t “need” any death from us before we can be forgiven. (Unless you are talking in the figuritive sense as a death to sin or a death to our flesh…etc…etc…)
What we “need” is God’s forgiveness and to get that we must simply ask for it and in our hearts actually desire it.
I will not be on till around 9:00ish.
bth
Posted September 18, 2008 at 5:23 pm | Permalink
Max – I am not going to divulge my private financial information as you demand. Are you willing to do so?
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Of course not. You won’t even give a range. (eg. I pay between $10,000 and $15,000 in Federal income taxes)
Because you don’t pay any taxes now, and you don’t want to pay any taxes in the future, you can’t even answer the question in a general sense.
BOTTOM LINE: You libs calling for Higher Taxes do not want to pay higher taxes yourselves. You want SOMEONE ELSE to pay higher taxes. You want SOMEONE ELSE to pay for you.
It’s easy to talk when you don’t have to do the walk.
It’s easy to push for more Government programs and higher taxes, when you never have to give anything. All you know how to do is take.
And yet you chastise others for wanting to keep more of what they EARN, and not give their hard-earned money to YOU.
Since when have you given anybody anything you earned?
Wow!
The IRS is reporting billions of dollars are being received in voluntary contributions from Democrats!
Democrats across America, in order to put their money where their mouths are, are sending in tons of extra money because they believe we need higher taxes in America, and they believe that higher taxes make an economy stronger!
Soon the National Deficit may be wiped out at this rate!
News Update:
Millions of Democrats are now marching in the streets demanding that Government cut spending and stop wasting the additional tax dollars they sent to Washington.
After receiving $1.3 Trillion in voluntary additional tax payments from Democrats, the Democrat Congress passed National Healthcare, The Obama Free Energy Plan, The Free Homes for All Americans Plan, spending an additional $2 Trillion!
The additional $1.3 Trillion in extra tax payments from Democrats was wasted, according to the protestors, and they want their money back!
Of course that’s fantasy land.
The Dems would be happy to take $2 Trillion in “free” stuff.
Hell would freeze over before they paid $1.3 Trillion in taxes, voluntary or otherwise.
“Because you don’t pay any taxes now, and you don’t want to pay any taxes in the future, you can’t even answer the question in a general sense”
AN ABSOLUTE LIE!
Figure 5 figures in taxes – and that is without any decimal point. Max – you arem as usual, full of BS.
NEWS FLASH!
Republics, led by MaxGrobnick, volunteer to pay off the war debts they ran up over the past 7 years.
Don’t we wish!
“Since when have you given anybody anything you earned?”
Ask Catholic Charities. Red Cross. United Way. and others …
Max – you Republics want to pass on the bills for your spending to future generations. You just love to use those credit cards.
Max – how much are you willing to contribute to pay for your war?
MaxGrobnik
Posted September 18, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
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Ben, max just doesnt get that no one is responding because, well, his posts are just too stupid to merit a response.
Then he thinks he wins. Heheheh. I wonder if the plaque store has ‘em for winning by default?
Pleased to be picking yours up then, maxie.
I bet he/she had to have Mom tie a pork chop around his neck so the DOG would play with him…
Nathaniel: Do I misunderstand? Wasn’t the death of Jesus required before salvation? Isn’t salvation God’s forgiveness?
You see a belief is a hope. I hope Santa will bring toys. You have hope of salvation, etc.
What I am asking goes to the very premise behind the salvation. The need for salvation in the first place. Now if it were scientifically proven (The Christian version of the inconvenient truth) Then there would be a basis for the belief. I would believe because it would be worth believing in.
But if there was no need for God to kill someone (his son, himself, whatever) then the basis of Christian belief would be moot.
That is where I come in.
What is patriotism?
“Ask most American adults today whether they are patriotic, and the answer is a heartfelt yes, regardless of politics.
In fact, 94.5% of Americans think of themselves as at least somewhat patriotic, and 72.2% say they are either very or extremely patriotic, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll of 1,009 adults. Only 5% of those polled said they were “not especially patriotic.”"
I’ll bet that 5% who are not especially patriotic are those nasty evil RICH people.
Biden will FORCE them to be patriotic!
What I am asking goes to the very premise behind the salvation. The need for salvation in the first place. Now if it were scientifically proven….
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Arbiter of the hopelessly faithless, “scientific proven” for an article of faith.
How doltish.
Can one American be MORE patriotic than the next?
“My daddy served in the army
Where he lost his right eye
But he flew a flag out in our yard
Until the day that he died….”
I’ll bet this guy wasn’t patriotic enough.
He served his country, lost an eye, and flew the flag EVERYday.
But Biden/Obama (BO) have redefined patriotism.
This guy, probably didn’t make over $250K. So he wasn’t truly very patriotic.
What this nation needs is a Patriotism Meter.
We need the government to go around and measure everyone’s patriotism. BO, can then put a hex on those not patriotic enough.
The henchmen of the hex work at the IRS.
That’s nice Regular.
“….those who have called themselves patriots or who have called others to the banner of patriotism have largely fallen into two camps.
The first company, whose signature is on so many of the bloodiest pages of the modern age, has its spiritual roots in the radical ideologies of the French Revolution. They announced the advent of a new god on earth and a new prophet/commander whose voice was the voice of that god. The new god, of course, was la patrie, the nation, and the new commander was the state.
Abbé Sieyès named the new god: “The nation exists before all. It is the origin of everything. It is the law itself.” By 1792, in a petition addressed to the National Assembly, the ferociously jealous claims of the of the new god were made chillingly clear: “The image of the patrie is the sole divinity which it is permitted to worship.”
Can anyone HERE see their political party in these lines?
The first company again,
“Those claims have echoed in a thousand variations from that day to this. It is the worship of national power, of national greatness, nearly always expressed as power over other peoples and qualities, and as power that acknowledges no limits on its own assertion.”
Their God is nation, a godless nation.
“”"The other company of patriots does not march to military time. It prefers the gentle strains of “America the Beautiful” to the strident cadences of “Hail to the Chief” and “The Stars and Stripes Forever.” This patriotism is rooted in the love of one’s own land and people, love too of the best ideals of one’s own culture and tradition. This company of patriots finds no glory in puffing their country up by pulling others’ down. This patriotism is profoundly municipal, even domestic. Its pleasures are quiet, its services steady and unpretentious.
This patriotism too has deep roots and long continuity in our history. Its voice is often temporarily shouted down by the battle cries of the first company, but it has never been stilled. Jefferson spoke for it, as did Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr…”
No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!
“Patriotism is based upon the amount of MONEY you give to your federal government.”
Biden
government of the people,
by the rich,
and for the people
As I’ve always said, the nation should build statues to the RICH.
Every townsquare should have a place to worship the rich, and show respect.
For their greater patriotism.
“We should not be surprised if this voice is often heard lamenting or rebuking the country’s failures to live up to its own best ideals, which have always been the ideals of the fullest possible freedom and the most nearly equal justice for all.”
“How the historic internationalism of the liberal left relates to the concept of patriotism:”
MO MONEY!!!!!! MO OF YOUR MONEY!!!!!
If you make more than $250,000 a year, I will cry you a river if your taxes are raised. That is the standard Senator Obama is pursuing.
The hard-pressed working people who are struggling to pay the bills and take care of their families wil get a well-deserved, well-earned break.
Lying about Obama’s position is not honorable. Cut it out.
With that I have melted sufficiently to a warm puddle, and will now slide off my ergonomic office chair.
“If you make more than $250,000 a year, I will cry you a river if your taxes are raised. That is the standard Senator Obama is pursuing.”
Not exactly. Single $200,000.00 Obama will raise your taxes.
“OBAMA: Well, it depends on how you calculate it. But it would be between $200,000 and $250,000.”
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008
So if you are single and make $200K, BO (Biden/Obama) are calling on you to be MORE patriotic too.
Barack Obama and his wife have become filthy rich, something that conservatives will not begrudge but liberals hold in general disdain. His income over the past six years is as follows:
Obama Income:
2006 $1.0 million
2005 $1.7 million
2004 $0.2 million
2003 $0.2 million
2002 $0.2 million
2001 $0.3 million
2000 $0.2 million
The bulk of his recent earnings come from mysterious “business” interests rather than public salary. Mainstream media organizations have attributed the business income to his book, but Obama himself stealthily omitted the attachments for 2005 and 2006 (something he calls a “statement”) that would explain it.
why Obama is more interested in redistributing other people’s income than he is his own. His charitable giving as a percentage of income can only be described as miserly until he decided to run for president. Knowing that his tax returns would get attention some day, just look at the giving pattern of this scrooge!
Obama Charitable Giving:
2006 $60,000 = 6%
2005 $77,000 = 4.5%
2004 $2,500 = 1%
2003 $3,400 = 1.5%
2002 $1,050 = 0.5%
2001 $1,470 = 0.5%
2000 $2,350 = 1%
All in all, the release of Barack Obama’s tax returns seem to raise more questions about his character.
“The hard-pressed working people who are struggling to pay the bills and take care of their families wil get a well-deserved, well-earned break.”
Cry me a river. Are you less an American?
Where is your patriotic spirit?
There will be no statues for you.
Sep 7, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding President Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.
Ouch!
What about increasing taxes on the wealthy?
“I think we’ve got to take a look and see where the economy is. I mean, the economy is weak right now,” Obama said on “This Week” on ABC.
Now this makes no sense. Come on Libs! You gotta SEE this?
Our nation is broke, 9 trillion in debt. On one hand he wants to give tax breaks – on the other he wants to sock it to the rich (at some point).
Why can we NOT afford to delay rescinding President Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans?
I THOUGHT HE NEEDED MO MONEY FROM THE RICH?
So why on earth would he DELAY?
Can one liberal tell me why?
Spending like crazy and expecting future generations to pay for it is putting self first. Striving to put America on a strong balanced fiscal course is putting country first. Democrats put country first. Republics, by advocating endless massive deficits, put self first.
Maybe Senator Obama thinks that one acts differently in a recession than one does when the economy is NOT in a recession.
“Nevertheless, has no plans to extend the Bush tax cuts beyond their expiration date (2010 – no doubt a recession would be over by then-db), as Republican John McCain advocates.”
“Instead, Obama wants to push for his promised tax cuts for the middle class…”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D931VVBO0&show_article=1
I will cry you $200,000-a-year-earners a slightly smaller river…
PALIN DISINVITED FROM IRAN PROTEST RALLY
The group organizing a rally on Monday to protest the appearance of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the United Nations has disinvited all politicians, including Sarah Palin.
A Jewish organizational leader says the decision to disinvite Palin came after two days of conference calls by the planners, most of whom were angry that Palin had been invited and confirmed without the consultation of other organizers.
Hillary Clinton, who cancelled her scheduled appearance at the event after learning of Palin’s plans to attend, had been confirmed months earlier. But Palin’s participation made the non-profit groups planning the event concerned they would lose their tax-exempt status, if only one party’s presidential or vice presidential candiate was invited to speak.
more at:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/18/1421633.aspx
If those making under 250,000 show patriotism by fighting wars, then those making over 250,000 can damn sure show their patriotism with their wallets.
With the exception of Tilman, the wealthy rarely volunteer.
“McCain’s plan cuts taxes across all income levels. It would cut taxes for those in the top 1 percent by more than $125,000″
- http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D931VVBO0&show_article=1\
The top 1% earn $1,791,886 a year or more. Between 2000 and 2006, pre-tax income for the top 1 percent of tax returns grew by 34 percent.
They are doing okay.. don’t ya think? Pity the picked upon millionaires…
Sarah Palin’s did quote Westbrook Pegler, who once called for the the assassination of Bobby Kennedy and lamented that Giuseppe Zangara bullet had missed Franklin Roosevelt and instead hit and killed Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak.
His assertion in November 1963 (at the height of the civil rights movement) that it is “clearly the bounden duty of all intelligent Americans to proclaim and practice bigotry”; … or his habit of calling Jews “geese,” because they hiss when they talk, gulp down everything before them, and foul everything in their wake, characterized his beliefs in the latter portion of his life.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler
Nice choice of Quotes, Slick Sarah….
“Also Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the son of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, expressed outrage about Palin’s quoting of Pegler in her speech….
“when Senator Kennedy considered running for president in 1965, Pegler had expressed hope that ’some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.’”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler
by advocating endless massive deficits, put self first.
I’m afraid both parties are equally guilty. The majority party in Congress today control the purse strings but have provided an example of deficit spending and approving pet projects in their voting districts which mirrors the previous party in the lead.
We all must realize we are deeply in debt as a nation and cannot afford any more new spending programs wars or tax cuts for anyone. Our debt, both personal and as a nation is what got us into this fix. We all should be contributing more to resolve it. Certainly not cuts for anyone.
It makes no sense to advocate cuts for one group of Americans and at the same time propose tax increases for another. It didn’t make sense the first time, and to be fair a careful examination of the original Bush tax cuts did help nearly all economic groups. But we all thought that Bush’s cuts were biased to the rich – to the point we overlooked any real gains for the lower class. Regardless though we thought that was wrong.
So why is it right – now?
“It makes no sense to advocate cuts for one group of Americans and at the same time propose tax increases for another.”
SURE it does. They have the money. In many cases, they have gotten it by exploiting their fellow countryman. They owe back.
“It didn’t make sense the first time, and to be fair a careful examination of the original Bush tax cuts did help nearly all economic groups.”
Where have you been the last 8 years, in a mineshaft?
Oh it is to laugh.
If he had to describe Sarah Palin with one word, Rupert Murdoch pretty boy Sean Hannity calls Sarah Palin?
Authentic?
Well, “authentic” coming from Sean Hannity would be something like “compassionate” from a conservative.
Great Patriots! Please join the rich and give your money to BO! Write a check, or better yet start a payroll deduction.
You do want to be great Patriots, yes?
“In 2001, McCain voted against a $1.35-trillion tax cut package, arguing that:
“I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle class Americans who most need tax relief.”
Isn’t this exactly what people need to know? McClame is part democrat/part republican.
Why vote for an unproven democrat when McClame has a proven track record and experience voting for your cause?
Read McCains words on the senate floor.
On the other hand, you have Obama, who has recently changed his mind about recinding the tax cuts for the rich.
How can McCain be more Bush – if he voted AGAINST Bush on the rich man’s tax breaks?
Democrats back fourth Bush tax cut for wealthy, business
By Patrick Martin
28 September 2004
In an action that exemplifies the prostration of the Democratic Party before the Bush administration and corporate wealth, the vast majority of Democratic senators and congressmen voted with the Republicans to approve a $146 billion tax cut bill proposed by the White House. The legislation passed the Senate September 23 by a near-unanimous vote of 92-3, while the House approved the bill on the same day, by a margin of 339-65.
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and vice presidential candidate John Edwards did not leave their campaigns to return to Washington for the vote, but both indicated they would have voted for the bill. Kerry issued a statement that tried simultaneously to criticize Bush and endorse the fiction that Bush’s tax cut would aid working people,
Who’s left to vote for?
David – I suspect with all the red ink Obama will inherit from the irresponsible Republics the tax bite will go deeper – probably down to $150K or even $100K (depending on S vs MFJ, dependents, etc). BUT – consider the alternative. A national Chapter 11? Consider the implications of half-trillion annual deficits for another term. Think about our grandchildren who will have to pay that debt – to China!
Bill Clinton raised some taxes; the Republics said that would throw the country into a depression. Well, if THAT was a depression then BRING IT ON!
“Under the President’s tax 2001 relief plan, the typical American family of four kept at least $1,600 more of their own money.
President Bush’s tax relief plan reflects this basic trust in the American people and confidence in the American ideal by increasing tax fairness and enhancing the performance of the economy. It includes:
Replacing the current tax rates of 15, 28, 31, 36, and 39.6 percent with a simplified rate structure of 10, 15, 25, and 33 percent
Doubling the child tax credit to $1,000 per child and applying the credit to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT);
Reducing the marriage penalty by reinstating the 10 percent deduction for two-earner couples;
Expanding the charitable deduction to non-itemizers;”
All these are part of Bush’s 2001 plan, and have helped low wage earners. In fact, Biden/Obama (BO) plan to KEEP THESE parts of the plan viable in their plan.
In other words: BO like the parts of the Bush 2001 Tax cuts which HAVE helped poor families.
Why? Because they DID help!
“Bill Clinton raised some taxes”
One of the biggest hikes in history! Well hell, anyone can create a surplus – just tax em to death.
Good luck trying that during a depression.
many cases, they have gotten it by exploiting their fellow countryman
SO your solution is to exploit the rich and steal their hard earned money?
I guess your WRONG makes it RIGHT, heh?
Please let me not barf at your “exploiting” crap post. There is no truth in it. But it sounds nice and liberal – EVIL rich folk!
red ink Obama will inherit from the irresponsible Bill Clinton who increased the national debt 1.5 trillion dollars is still wet!
Source: US Treasury
Yep, many of you libs are too hooked on the tape recordings and koolaid to recognize that all is not perfect in your party. You’d rather live in dreamland. (or is that oz?)
“SO your solution is to exploit the rich and steal their hard earned money?”
Yeah that’s pretty much it.
Oh except for the “hard earned money” part.
I’ve never known or met a person that had a lot of money that was not a jerk.
Oh well.
http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/deficit.jpg
I think the chart’s figures might be off a bit, but the pattern is indisputably correct.
An unscientific poll from yahoo:
Q. The Fed’s expensive rescues and Wall Street’s turbulent week have sparked anxiety worldwide. How nervous are you?
Extremely nervous. I think this a true crisis with far-reaching implications 46%
Somewhat nervous. Times may be pretty tough for a while but we’ll recover. 35%
Not very nervous. People and the media are overreacting. 17%
I’m not sure/No opinion 2%
12648 votes
They should have addressed this vulture mentality after rumors largely destroyed the first financial company before the bail out.
“http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/bs_nm/shortselling_sec_cox_dc_1
You know I don’t want to take the rich’s money- I just want them to be more responsible for when they keep stomping on the poor.
If you’ve got that kind of money, create good jobs and pay your employees part of that wealth for it is on their backs that you earn your money.
And yeah, pay your share of taxes, quit complaining about it and stop asking for corporate welfare.
Palin stonewalling the investigation, this isn’t going to play with anyone except the faithful. We have had enough with stonewalling and cover ups this past 8 yrs. not to recognize it when we see it.
Mccain should have vetted her!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080919/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate_44
Too funny;
‘Obama came up with yet another way to poke fun at McCain for his comment Monday that the fundamentals of the economy were strong. “This comment was so out of touch that even George Bush’s White House couldn’t agree with it when they were asked about it. They had to distance themselves from John McCain.”
President Bush has used the same language many times but his press secretary would not repeat the line Wednesday in the face of historic financial turbulence.
Repugnican do take care of their own:
“Florida authorities had said their investigation was hampered because neither Foley nor the House would let its investigators examine his congressional computers.
In a letter to the FDLE obtained by The Associated Press, House Deputy General Counsel Kerry Kircher wrote that because the data “may contain legislative information that is constitutionally privileged … and because Mr. Foley has not waived that privilege … we cannot simply give you access.”
The Florida agency had been working with the FBI and Foley’s attorneys to gain access to information on the computers. Foley’s attorneys have declined to comment throughout the investigation.
“Bill Clinton who increased the national debt 1.5 trillion dollars”
The ONLY increase in the debt during the Clinton years was due to interest accrual on the Reagan-Bush debt.
“Good luck trying that during a depression”
In 1993 Clinton did that during the Bush recession – the reduction in long-term interest rates that followed helped get us out of that recession. Are you acknowledging that Bush 2 is doing Daddy one better by plunging America into a DEPRESSION?
This is great!
Plans to donate to Planned Parenthood in the name of Sarah Palin.
Planned parenthood will send a thank you card for every person who donates to Palin.
We need to have that debate over the role of government that keeps getting put off. It’s apparent that creating an expen$ive and incompetent military state while drastically cutting taxes is unacceptable.
Contrary to AW’s seeming assertion, Bill Clinton did not tax us to death (apparently AW has forgotten that 6 of those years Clinton was facing against a hostile GOP Congress). Clinton simply balanced the budget, yes, by raising taxes, but also controlling spending.
Those who pretend (or perhaps ignorantly believe) that this is a conservative or Republican virtue simply haven’t looked at the figures. Get a calculator go over the receipts/outlays during the Reagan years–compute percentages of the total. You’ll find nearly every discretionary item of any note reduced–I’ll give Reagan credit for that. Health and Human Services went from 36 percent of the budget to a mere 15 percent (and that’s not just “welfare”–not even close–but our idiot righties will certainly label it as such).
Defense spending was hard to determine and part of it was in the “black” budget (secret spending! can you believe that crap?). The Defense department alone increased from about 24 to about 29 percent of the whole.
What’s the point? Sure, maybe domestic spending wasn’t slashed as vigorously as some would like. But the tax cuts were put in effect without any means of paying for them . Every Reagan budget had a built-in deficit. The plan, obviously, was to deliberately create huge deficits–and then go hog wild on slashing the portions that didn’t feed the military-industrial complex.
Someone at this point will mention Social Security. Well, that was still the “third rail”–there were still too many New Deal Democrats alive who would know better. As it was always intended as a trust fund (you pay in, the government pays you back), it was taken off-budget.
The truth, of course, is that the plans to privatize under Bush were nothing more than legalized theft. And, as KFG has pointed out, look at great Social Security would be doing now if it was allowed to brave the open markets.
So did anyone try to balance the budget? Impossible under Reagan: undoing or modifying any portion of Kemp-Roth was verboten, period. They even tried a mindless gimmick, the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act, which produced automatic across-the-board cuts in all departments if balanced budget was not reached.
You know what? When the bluff was called, they still couldn’t balance the budget–not with Reagan’s priorities dominating. But the automatic cuts were also evaded, because it turned out that automatic cuts would cripple essential function in, well, pretty much ever corner of government. A breathtakingly dumb idea.
When the predictable carnage of Reagan’s 3-trillion-dollars party was left on George W. Bush’s doorstep, Mr. Read-My-Lips raised taxes. But only after a multi-billion dollar S&L bailout and two stock market crashes. The collapse of the Soviet Union–the grand enemy–also caught Poppy off guard.
We’ve been down this road before, and not just in the 1980s. Not even just in the 1920s.
You see, however much some will whine about progressive taxation, the fact is that government has to be funded and, once those priorties are decided, adults pay for the friggin’ meal they ordered. Yeah, it’s “unfair” that a rich person pays a higher percentage. I have one vote and Charlie Keating, if he’s out of prison, has one vote. As it should be.
When I can get five senators–or, hell, even my own Congressperson–to meet with me in private, we’ll talk about the terrible unfairness of the progressive tax. It’s not redistribution. It’s asking a proper share of burden from those who receive the greatest benefits from government (even though they like to deny that government does anything for them!).
P.S. Did someone mention a Depression? Look up the taxation figures under FDR.
American_Way
Posted September 18, 2008 at 6:53 pm | Permalink
Obama Charitable Giving:
2006 $60,000 = 6%
2005 $77,000 = 4.5%
2004 $2,500 = 1%
2003 $3,400 = 1.5%
2002 $1,050 = 0.5%
2001 $1,470 = 0.5%
2000 $2,350 = 1%
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Amway…. that looks like a string of numbers… You had best show a Link, or I call BS… look at your figures for 2005, and 2006….
2006, you claim he GAVE 6% $60,000
And yet, in 2005, you claim he GAVE 4.5% at $77,000???
Gotta be a screw up somewhere —-
Get a link, OR, I call it BS… more Obama SMEAR crap from the unscrupulous…
Blue Jay,
Everyday you remind of a little child, always saying “gimme,gimme and I want I want”
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Political_mama
Posted September 18, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
This is great!
Plans to donate to Planned Parenthood in the name of Sarah Palin.
Planned parenthood will send a thank you card for every person who donates to Palin.
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As long as it’s not initiated by Planned Parenthood.
If it is initiated or promoted by Planned Parenthood, they could lose a large portion of their budget supplied through government contracts and their tax status.
‘Palin’s Anti-Rape-Investigation Stance Raised by McCain Campaign. Will Reporters Question?‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palins-anti-rape-investig_b_126763.html
“The McCain campaign paints this as a process story – that Monegan was going to DC to get money to prosecute rape, when the Governor didn’t OK that request.
I’d say it raises a huge question. Why is it that the Governor of the state with the highest per capita rate of forcible rape, who requested hundreds of billions in earmarks, not want to fight for Federal dollars to help law enforcement in the state investigate and prosecute rape?”
‘Sarah Palin, Planned Parenthood and I Thank You‘
http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/09/sarah-palin-pla.html
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Nite all!!
Cos,
Just made out my check for a donation to Planned Parenthood in Palin’s name. I hope she appreciates the nice card!
Phant,
“Mccain should have vetted her!”
He tried, but at his age sometimes even Viagra doesn’t help.
Send your checks, money orders or use your credit cards to send a donation on behalf of Barack Obama to the National Rifle Association (NRA)
https://www.nrahq.org/givejoinhelp/giving/general.asp