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		<title>By: repherrody</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-445972</link>
		<dc:creator>repherrody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426035</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain  in  Jacksonville...  

Economy  looks  GREAT....  

Later,  in  Orlando....  

Economy  is in  a  turmoil...  looks  bad....


Can  this  guy  ever  make  up  his  mind???
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Comments  on  YouTube  links  on  this  page  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

http://www.alan.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain  in  Jacksonville&#8230;  </p>
<p>Economy  looks  GREAT&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Later,  in  Orlando&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Economy  is in  a  turmoil&#8230;  looks  bad&#8230;.</p>
<p>Can  this  guy  ever  make  up  his  mind???<br />
==========================================</p>
<p>Comments  on  YouTube  links  on  this  page  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alan.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alan.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426024</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t quit your day job Hank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t quit your day job Hank.</p>
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		<title>By: okobserver</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426023</link>
		<dc:creator>okobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage. While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit - effectively cash - of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts.
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No where in his plan could I find where he said these would be before or after tax dollars. It seems there is a lot more in the link that Monkey posted than there is in the plan on McCain&#039;s page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McCain Will Reform The Tax Code To Offer More Choices Beyond Employer-Based Health Insurance Coverage. While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit &#8211; effectively cash &#8211; of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>No where in his plan could I find where he said these would be before or after tax dollars. It seems there is a lot more in the link that Monkey posted than there is in the plan on McCain&#8217;s page.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426018</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWENTY IN-DEPTH investigative days for Obama, oh how refreshing that would be!

You might even sell a newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWENTY IN-DEPTH investigative days for Obama, oh how refreshing that would be!</p>
<p>You might even sell a newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426017</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about TWENTY Topics on Obama for the next 15 days?

That should make things even by month-end.

EVEN, EQUAL, you know, like how you Socialists say things outta be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about TWENTY Topics on Obama for the next 15 days?</p>
<p>That should make things even by month-end.</p>
<p>EVEN, EQUAL, you know, like how you Socialists say things outta be.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426016</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWENTY.

That is 2 0 Topics on Sarah Palin in 15 days EAGLE.

Your Bi-Ass is showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWENTY.</p>
<p>That is 2 0 Topics on Sarah Palin in 15 days EAGLE.</p>
<p>Your Bi-Ass is showing.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426014</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;McCain’s Radical Agenda&lt;/b&gt;
By BOB HERBERT
Published: September 15, 2008

Talk about a shock to the system. Has anyone bothered to notice the radical changes that John McCain and Sarah Palin are planning for the nation’s health insurance system?

These are changes that will set in motion nothing less than the dismantling of the employer-based coverage that protects most American families.

A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan.

There is nothing secret about Senator McCain’s far-reaching proposals, but they haven’t gotten much attention because the chatter in this campaign has mostly been about nonsense — lipstick, celebrities and “Drill, baby, drill!”

For starters, the McCain health plan would treat employer-paid health benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes on.

“It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money,” said Sherry Glied, an economist who chairs the Department of Health Policy and Management at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health.

Ms. Glied is one of the four scholars who have just completed an independent joint study of the plan. Their findings are being published on the Web site of the policy journal, Health Affairs.

According to the study: “The McCain plan will force millions of Americans into the weakest segment of the private insurance system — the nongroup market — where cost-sharing is high, covered services are limited and people will lose access to benefits they have now.”

The net effect of the plan, the study said, “almost certainly will be to increase family costs for medical care.”

Under the McCain plan (now the McCain-Palin plan) employees who continue to receive employer-paid health benefits would look at their pay stubs each week or each month and find that additional money had been withheld to cover the taxes on the value of their benefits.

While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That’s because the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable tax credit — $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family — to be used “to help pay for your health care.”

You may think this is a good move or a bad one — but it’s a monumental change in the way health coverage would be provided to scores of millions of Americans. Why not more attention?

The whole idea of the McCain plan is to get families out of employer-paid health coverage and into the health insurance marketplace, where naked competition is supposed to take care of all ills. (We’re seeing in the Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch fiascos just how well the unfettered marketplace has been working.)

Taxing employer-paid health benefits is the first step in this transition, the equivalent of injecting poison into the system. It’s the beginning of the end.

When younger, healthier workers start seeing additional taxes taken out of their paychecks, some (perhaps many) will opt out of the employer-based plans — either to buy cheaper insurance on their own or to go without coverage.

That will leave employers with a pool of older, less healthy workers to cover. That coverage will necessarily be more expensive, which will encourage more and more employers to give up on the idea of providing coverage at all.

The upshot is that many more Americans — millions more — will find themselves on their own in the bewildering and often treacherous health insurance marketplace. As Senator McCain has said: “I believe the key to real reform is to restore control over our health care system to the patients themselves.”

Yet another radical element of McCain’s plan is his proposal to undermine state health insurance regulations by allowing consumers to buy insurance from sellers anywhere in the country. So a requirement in one state that insurers cover, for example, vaccinations, or annual physicals, or breast examinations, would essentially be meaningless.

In a refrain we’ve heard many times in recent years, Mr. McCain said he is committed to ridding the market of these “needless and costly” insurance regulations.

This entire McCain health insurance transformation is right out of the right-wing Republicans’ ideological playbook: fewer regulations; let the market decide; and send unsophisticated consumers into the crucible alone.

You would think that with some of the most venerable houses on Wall Street crumbling like sand castles right before our eyes, we’d be a little wary about spreading this toxic formula even further into the health care system.

But we’re not even paying much attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>McCain’s Radical Agenda</b><br />
By BOB HERBERT<br />
Published: September 15, 2008</p>
<p>Talk about a shock to the system. Has anyone bothered to notice the radical changes that John McCain and Sarah Palin are planning for the nation’s health insurance system?</p>
<p>These are changes that will set in motion nothing less than the dismantling of the employer-based coverage that protects most American families.</p>
<p>A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan.</p>
<p>There is nothing secret about Senator McCain’s far-reaching proposals, but they haven’t gotten much attention because the chatter in this campaign has mostly been about nonsense — lipstick, celebrities and “Drill, baby, drill!”</p>
<p>For starters, the McCain health plan would treat employer-paid health benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes on.</p>
<p>“It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money,” said Sherry Glied, an economist who chairs the Department of Health Policy and Management at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health.</p>
<p>Ms. Glied is one of the four scholars who have just completed an independent joint study of the plan. Their findings are being published on the Web site of the policy journal, Health Affairs.</p>
<p>According to the study: “The McCain plan will force millions of Americans into the weakest segment of the private insurance system — the nongroup market — where cost-sharing is high, covered services are limited and people will lose access to benefits they have now.”</p>
<p>The net effect of the plan, the study said, “almost certainly will be to increase family costs for medical care.”</p>
<p>Under the McCain plan (now the McCain-Palin plan) employees who continue to receive employer-paid health benefits would look at their pay stubs each week or each month and find that additional money had been withheld to cover the taxes on the value of their benefits.</p>
<p>While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That’s because the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable tax credit — $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family — to be used “to help pay for your health care.”</p>
<p>You may think this is a good move or a bad one — but it’s a monumental change in the way health coverage would be provided to scores of millions of Americans. Why not more attention?</p>
<p>The whole idea of the McCain plan is to get families out of employer-paid health coverage and into the health insurance marketplace, where naked competition is supposed to take care of all ills. (We’re seeing in the Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch fiascos just how well the unfettered marketplace has been working.)</p>
<p>Taxing employer-paid health benefits is the first step in this transition, the equivalent of injecting poison into the system. It’s the beginning of the end.</p>
<p>When younger, healthier workers start seeing additional taxes taken out of their paychecks, some (perhaps many) will opt out of the employer-based plans — either to buy cheaper insurance on their own or to go without coverage.</p>
<p>That will leave employers with a pool of older, less healthy workers to cover. That coverage will necessarily be more expensive, which will encourage more and more employers to give up on the idea of providing coverage at all.</p>
<p>The upshot is that many more Americans — millions more — will find themselves on their own in the bewildering and often treacherous health insurance marketplace. As Senator McCain has said: “I believe the key to real reform is to restore control over our health care system to the patients themselves.”</p>
<p>Yet another radical element of McCain’s plan is his proposal to undermine state health insurance regulations by allowing consumers to buy insurance from sellers anywhere in the country. So a requirement in one state that insurers cover, for example, vaccinations, or annual physicals, or breast examinations, would essentially be meaningless.</p>
<p>In a refrain we’ve heard many times in recent years, Mr. McCain said he is committed to ridding the market of these “needless and costly” insurance regulations.</p>
<p>This entire McCain health insurance transformation is right out of the right-wing Republicans’ ideological playbook: fewer regulations; let the market decide; and send unsophisticated consumers into the crucible alone.</p>
<p>You would think that with some of the most venerable houses on Wall Street crumbling like sand castles right before our eyes, we’d be a little wary about spreading this toxic formula even further into the health care system.</p>
<p>But we’re not even paying much attention.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426009</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say EAGLE, can we get ANOTHER Topic on Sarah tomorrow?  

Please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say EAGLE, can we get ANOTHER Topic on Sarah tomorrow?  </p>
<p>Please!</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426006</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#
MaxGrobnik
Posted September 15, 2008 at 11:28 pm &#124; Permalink

Has anyone seen Harvey?

You know, that big white rabbit?
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He keeps going around the corner just as I get close to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<br />
MaxGrobnik<br />
Posted September 15, 2008 at 11:28 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>Has anyone seen Harvey?</p>
<p>You know, that big white rabbit?<br />
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He keeps going around the corner just as I get close to him.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426005</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR you prove yourself wrong everyday.  You don&#039;t need my help for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR you prove yourself wrong everyday.  You don&#8217;t need my help for that.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426004</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prove me wrong &quot;Max&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prove me wrong &#8220;Max&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-426001</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone seen Harvey?

You know, that big white rabbit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone seen Harvey?</p>
<p>You know, that big white rabbit?</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425999</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR you believe a lot of things that aren&#039;t true.

Carry on in your lil fantasyland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR you believe a lot of things that aren&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Carry on in your lil fantasyland.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425998</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the FIRE &amp; BRIMSTONE he can muster to convince people abortions are fine per the modern interpretations of the Bible you know.  And so is homsexuality OK, like with all those lonely shepards in the desert in those Bible stories.  

ALAS BABYLON!  SODDOM &amp; GOMORAH WAS A LOVE STORY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the FIRE &amp; BRIMSTONE he can muster to convince people abortions are fine per the modern interpretations of the Bible you know.  And so is homsexuality OK, like with all those lonely shepards in the desert in those Bible stories.  </p>
<p>ALAS BABYLON!  SODDOM &amp; GOMORAH WAS A LOVE STORY!</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425997</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve met Chas.

   I&#039;ve seen &quot;Regular&quot; who looks decidedly not.

   I believe that Max is Hank who I have met as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve met Chas.</p>
<p>   I&#8217;ve seen &#8220;Regular&#8221; who looks decidedly not.</p>
<p>   I believe that Max is Hank who I have met as well.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425996</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant the SHOUTING, YA KNOW, GIVING A SERMON AND STOMPING YOUR FEET, JUMPIN UP AND DOWN, AND YELLING AND SCREAMIN HIS LIL HEAD OFF!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant the SHOUTING, YA KNOW, GIVING A SERMON AND STOMPING YOUR FEET, JUMPIN UP AND DOWN, AND YELLING AND SCREAMIN HIS LIL HEAD OFF!</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425991</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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MaxGrobnik
Posted September 15, 2008 at 11:13 pm &#124; Permalink

It does SOUND like Chas though, doesn’t it?
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Except for the articulation I imagine Chas fumbling through a sermon like chimp with a banana in its mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<br />
MaxGrobnik<br />
Posted September 15, 2008 at 11:13 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>It does SOUND like Chas though, doesn’t it?<br />
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Except for the articulation I imagine Chas fumbling through a sermon like chimp with a banana in its mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425989</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does SOUND like Chas though, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425988</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Maggot uses the same Dem attack on any conservative proposing any Government program - calls us Socialist!  LOL!

Interestate Highways can be used by all. Interstate Trains could as well.  Transportation is a fundamental role of Government, benefiting all.  Should we have only private airports?

Now the Socialist the Maggot wants, are programs that take from the top 50% and give to the bottom 50%.  That redistribution of wealth IS Socialism.  

Your Socialist programs, such as national healthcare, would benefit a few at the expense of all.  

Your Socialism provides a benefit to a small group, at the expense of others.

Oh and Maggot can see the difference.  The Maggot also sees how a national rail system would hurt the Teamsters.  

But really Maggot, do you want a 20% reduction in US Oil consumption, 7500 lives saved, a cooler and cleaner planet, or do you want to save the Teamsters?

Oh, you want to cure Global Warming and have Alternative Energy allright, but you want SOMEONE ELSE to pay for it.

SOCIALIST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Maggot uses the same Dem attack on any conservative proposing any Government program &#8211; calls us Socialist!  LOL!</p>
<p>Interestate Highways can be used by all. Interstate Trains could as well.  Transportation is a fundamental role of Government, benefiting all.  Should we have only private airports?</p>
<p>Now the Socialist the Maggot wants, are programs that take from the top 50% and give to the bottom 50%.  That redistribution of wealth IS Socialism.  </p>
<p>Your Socialist programs, such as national healthcare, would benefit a few at the expense of all.  </p>
<p>Your Socialism provides a benefit to a small group, at the expense of others.</p>
<p>Oh and Maggot can see the difference.  The Maggot also sees how a national rail system would hurt the Teamsters.  </p>
<p>But really Maggot, do you want a 20% reduction in US Oil consumption, 7500 lives saved, a cooler and cleaner planet, or do you want to save the Teamsters?</p>
<p>Oh, you want to cure Global Warming and have Alternative Energy allright, but you want SOMEONE ELSE to pay for it.</p>
<p>SOCIALIST!</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425986</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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MaxGrobnik
Posted September 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm &#124; Permalink

Say Regular, you saw his picture.

Is that Chas in the link above?
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Naw, Chas is a white bread, brown hair, glasses.</description>
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MaxGrobnik<br />
Posted September 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>Say Regular, you saw his picture.</p>
<p>Is that Chas in the link above?<br />
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Naw, Chas is a white bread, brown hair, glasses.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425983</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say Regular, you saw his picture.

Is that Chas in the link above?</description>
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<p>Is that Chas in the link above?</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425981</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could be Chas!

http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html

Sounds just exactly like him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be Chas!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html</a></p>
<p>Sounds just exactly like him!</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425972</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidB,

They have to use lies, to justify their incorrect opinions.  Another example,


okobserver posted September 15, 2008 at 4:32 pm 

&quot;Still little of the absence of the sunspots that many scientist say is much more responsible for the climate change we are in than anything man can or has done.

Just a tad of intelligence would tell you that Cosmos.&quot;
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidB,</p>
<p>They have to use lies, to justify their incorrect opinions.  Another example,</p>
<p>okobserver posted September 15, 2008 at 4:32 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;Still little of the absence of the sunspots that many scientist say is much more responsible for the climate change we are in than anything man can or has done.</p>
<p>Just a tad of intelligence would tell you that Cosmos.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-915-2/#comment-425969</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They just keep reading these liars and re-spew it....</description>
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