Open thread 9/11

173 Comments

  1. JMWalker
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    I’ve read the facts on each one mentioned, and I, for one, don’t see any of them as belonging to any party: They’re sleezebags and belong out of congress.
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    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington has released its fourth annual report, “CREW’s Most Corrupt Members of Congress, outlining Washington politicians who it says have “most egregiously betrayed the public’s trust.”

    12 of the 24 members of Congress listed in the report are under investigation. The thirteenth, New York Congressman Charlie Rangel, has opened a House ethics investigation on himself.

    “With soaring gas prices, a housing market in crisis, rising unemployment, and a nation at war, elected officials should be prioritizing their constituents’ needs over their own self-interests,” said CREW executive director Melanie Sloan. “Unfortunately, the members of Congress listed in CREW’s Most Corrupt report have decided that their personal needs are paramount to those they represent. This report holds them accountable for those choices.”

    The entire list is as follows:

    * Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)

    * Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)

    * Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-CA)

    * Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)

    * Rep. Vito J. Fossella (R-NY)

    * Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-LA)

    * Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)

    * Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)

    * Rep. Daniel Lipinski (D-IL)

    * Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

    * Rep. Gary G. Miller (R-CA)

    * Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-WV)

    * Rep. Timothy F. Murphy (R-PA)

    * Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA)

    * Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM)

    * Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)

    * Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)

    * Rep. Harold Rogers (R-KY)

    * Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK)

    * Rep. Don Young (R-AK)

    The report also adds four “dishonorable mentions”:

    * Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)

    * Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN)

    * Rep. Laura Richardson (D-CA)

    * Rep. Michael Turner (R-OH)
    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CREW_releases_profiles_of_most_corrupt_0910.html

  2. swallow_my_nickel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    I read this interesting essay about “What Makes People Voter Republican” and I thought it would be quite enlightening for everyone in here who would actually take the time to read the essay and think about what it says, instead of the usual knee-jerk reactions of many who come here to post. Here is the beginning of it….

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    WHAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN? [9.9.08]
    By Jonathan Haidt

    JONATHAN HAIDT is Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Virginia, where he does research on morality and emotion and how they vary across cultures. He is the author of The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom.

    WHAT MAKES PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN?
    What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their e conomic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies? We psychologists have been examining the origins of ideology ever since Hitler sent us Germany’s best psychologists, and we long ago reported that strict parenting and a variety of personal insecurities work together to turn people against liberalism, diversity, and progress. But now that we can map the brains, genes, and unconscious attitudes of conservatives, we have refined our diagnosis: conservatism is a partially heritable personality trait that predisposes some people to be cognitively inflexible, fond of hierarchy, and inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death. People vote Republican because Republicans offer “moral clarity”—a simple vision of good and evil that activates deep seated fears in much of the electorate. Democrats, in contrast, appeal to reason with their long-winded explorations of policy options for a complex world.
    Diagnosis is a pleasure. It is a thrill to solve a mystery from scattered clues, and it is empowering to know what makes others tick. In the psychological community, where almost all of us are politically liberal, our diagnosis of conservatism gives us the additional pleasure of shared righteous anger. We can explain how Republicans exploit frames, phrases, and fears to trick Americans into supporting policies (such as the “war on terror” and repeal of the “death tax”) that damage the national interest for partisan advantage.
    But with pleasure comes seduction, and with righteous pleasure comes seduction wearing a halo. Our diagnosis explains away Republican successes while convincing us and our fellow liberals that we hold the moral high ground. Our diagnosis tells us that we have nothing to learn from other ideologies, and it blinds us to what I think is one of the main reasons that so many Americans voted Republican over the last 30 years: they honestly prefer the Republican vision of a moral order to the one offered by Democrats. To see what Democrats have been missing, it helps to take off the halo, step back for a moment, and think about what morality really is.

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    Here is the link to the complete essay– http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html

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    BTW, Ben, you should sign up for the edge if you aren’t already…I think you would find it an enjoyable place to visit for intellectual stimulation…

  3. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    I hate to distract you CONs from your name-calling snarks, but let’s consider for a moment the issue of taxes and the presidential election.

    Let’s use the John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) and his lovely trollop’s income model as applied to each candidates’ tax
    policies.

    (Of course, it’s a bit conjectural since the Arizona Beer c*nt Queen would have to reveal how much the McSames make.)

    To get a sense of the difference, though, one need look no further than the NYTimes Magazine piece Sunday on Obama’s economic policies:

    “McCain, by continuing the basic thrust of Bush’s tax policies and adding a few new wrinkles, would cut taxes for the top 0.1 percent of earners — those making an average of $9.1 million — by another $190,000 a year, on top of the Bush reductions. Obama would raise taxes on this top 0.1 percent by an average of $800,000 a year.

    “It’s hard not to look at that figure and be a little stunned. It would represent a huge tax increase on the wealthy families. But it’s also worth putting the number in some context. The bulk of Obama’s tax increases on the wealthy — about $500,000 of that $800,000 — would simply take away Bush’s tax cuts. The remaining $300,000 wouldn’t nearly reverse their pretax income gains in recent years. Since the mid-1990s, their inflation-adjusted pretax income has roughly doubled.”

    That’s a good ballpark estimation. Obama would raise the McCains’ taxes by roughly $800,000 (that’s more than two days of Cindy’s Republic party convention wardrobe); McCain would cut them by about $200,000. That’s a million dollar spread. No wonder McCain is so hostile to Obama’s economic agenda.

    But here’s what’s really interesting. Obama’s proposals would raise his own taxes by hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to cut the taxes of people who are less fortunate than he is. McCain would cut his own taxes even further than they’ve already been reduced.

    That’s about everything a voter needs to know about these two men.

    I suggest all you McCainiacs choose to go to one of your homes and sit down and figure out how much an Obama presidency will cost you in taxes.

    I feel your pain.

  4. Posted September 11, 2008 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    EVERYBODY — PLEASE —-

    TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, TO REMEMBER THE TRAGEDY OF SEVEN YEARS AGO THIS MORNING.

    I WILL NEVER FORGET SEEING THE SECOND PLANE HIT THE TOWER. I WAS STILL IN BED ON THE FIRST PLANE… . MY DAUGHTER CALLED AND YELLED AT ME: DAD GET OUT OF BED!! TURN ON CNN!! WE ARE UNDER ATTACK IN NEW YORK!!

    And that was that…

    I remember slumping down in my recliner, and not moving for at least two hours.

    It was a major shock for us all…

    Take a moment today. Reflect back. Remember the tragedy. Then, go about your day. This is still the USA, and it is still our Nation!!

  5. FoxNewsSucks
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Hey, Bush, WHERE’S OSAMA?????

    http://www.cagle.com/working/080910/stein.jpg

  6. Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Special Comment Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:05 PM by Countdown
    Filed Under: Special Comment

    Thus tonight — as promised — a Special Comment about our sad anniversary tomorrow.

    Or, more correctly, what our sad anniversary tomorrow has been turned into by the presidential administration, and the current Republican candidates for President and Vice President.

    This is supposed to be a day of remembrance. Remembrance of the attack, remembrance of the national unity which followed it.

    Most important of all, remembrance of the dead.

    But 9/11 has become…… a brand name.

    A Republican campaign slogan.

    Propaganda of the lowest form.

    9/11 has become… 9/11 with a trademark logo.

    9/11 (TM) has sustained a president who long ago should have been dismissed, or impeached. It has kept him and his gang of financial and constitutional crooks in office without – literally – any visible means of support.

    9/11 (TM) has made possible the greatest sleight-of-hand in our nation’s history.

    The political party in office at the time of the attacks, at the local, state and national levels, the party which uniformly ignored the warnings — and the presidential administration already through twenty percent of its first term and no longer wet behind the ears — have not only thus far escaped any blame for the malfeasance and criminal neglect that allowed the attacks to occur, but that presidency and that party, have managed to make it seem as if the other political party would be solely and irredeemably responsible for any similar catastrophe in the future.

    Thus, Senator McCain, were you able to accomplish a further inversion of reality at your party’s nominating convention last week.

    There was the former Mayor of the City of New York — the one who took no counter-terrorism measure in his seven years in office between the first attack on the World Trade Center, and the second attack.

    Nothing, except to insist — despite all advice and warning – that his Emergency Command Center be moved directly into the World Trade Center.

    Yet there was this man, Sir – Rudolph Giuliani — quite succinctly dismissed as “A Noun, a Verb, and 9/11,” and repudiated even by Republican voters — transformed into the keynote speaker, Senator McCain — at your convention.

    And his childish, squealing, braying, Tourette’s-like repetition of 9/11 (TM), was greeted not as conclusive evidence that he is consumed by massive guilt – hard-earned guilt, in fact – but rather as some kind of political tour-de-force, an endorsement of your Vice Presidential nominee, a rookie governor — a facile and slick con artist.

    The blind endorsing the bland, to a chorus of 9/11 (TM), 9/11 (TM), 9/11 (TM.)

    Your ringing mindless cheer of “We’ve Kept You Safe Since Then”…

    While nobody asks “doesn’t then count?”

    All of this, sadistically disrespecting the dead of New York, and Washington, and Shanksville…

    Endorsed, Senator McCain…

    Exploited, Senator McCain…

    Trademarked, Senator McCain… by you.

    And yet of course the exact moment in which Senator McCain’s Republicans showed the nation exactly how far they have fallen from the Better Angels of Mr. Lincoln’s Nature, came the next night.

    The television networks were told that the Convention would pause, early in the evening, when children could still be watching, for a 9/11 Tribute, and they were encouraged to broadcast it.

    What we got was not a tribute to the dead of 9/11, nor even a tribute to the responders, or the singularity of purpose we all felt.

    The Republicans gave us sociological pornography… a virtual snuff film.

    Years ago, responsible television networks, to the applause of the nation, and the relief of its mental health authorities, voluntarily stopped showing the most graphic of the images of the World Trade Center, except with the strongest of warnings.

    And yet, the Republicans, at their convention, having virtually seized control of the cable news operations, showed… the worst of it.

    This is all anyone with a conscience can show you of what the Republicans showed you.

    The actual collapse of the smoking towers.

    A fleeting image of what might have been a victim leaping to his death from a thousand feet up.

    And something new.

    From this angle, ground-level, perfectly framed, images — of the fireball created when the second plane hit the second tower.

    It was terrifying.

    After all its object was… to terrify.

    Not to commemorate, not to call for unity, not to remember the dead.

    But to terrify.

    To open again the horrible wounds, to brand the skin of this nation with the message — as hateful as the terrorists’ own — that you must vote Republican or this will happen again and you will die…

    And just in case that was not enough, to also dishonestly and profanely conflate 9/11 with the 1979 Iran Hostage Crisis — to stoke the flames of paranoia about another Middle Eastern Nation.

    This was a 9/11 Tribute.

    Not to the dead, nor to the unity.

    But a tribute to how valuable 9/11 has been as a political tool for the Republican Party.

    9/11… (TM.)

    Senator McCain, you had promised us a clean campaign.

    You could be Snow-White the rest of the way, Sir, yet that manipulative videotape from your convention should tar you always in the minds of decent Americans.

    And still, as this seventh 9/11…(TM)… approaches — that, Sir, is not the worst of your contributions to the utter politicizing of a day that should be sacrosanct to all of us.

    Hard to believe, but the Senator has done worse with 9/11 and the evil behind it.

    We heard it last week in Minnesota… we’ve heard it off and on since January…

    But Senator McCain said it most concisely in June.

    “Look,” he said. “I know the area, I’ve been there, I know wars, I know how to win wars, and I know how to improve our capabilities so that we will capture Osama bin Laden — or put it this way, bring him to justice. We will do it. I know how to do it.”

    Senator McCain seems to be quite serious — that he and he alone — not the CIA, nor the U-S Military, nor the current President — can capture Bin Laden.

    Thus we must take him at his word, that this is no mere ludicrous campaign boast.

    We must assume Senator McCain truly believes he is capable of doing this, and has been capable of doing this, since last January.

    “We will capture Osama bin Laden… we will do it. I know how to do it.”

    Well then, Senator… you’d better go and do it… hadn’t you?

    Because, Sir, if a man or woman in this nation, Democrat or Republican, had a clear and effective means of capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden…

    If that person had been advertising his claim, Senator… for eight months…

    But if that person not only refused to go to responsible authorities in government and advise them of this plan to catch Bin Laden, but further announced he would not even begin to enact this secret plan to corral the world’s most hated man… until the end of next January…

    What would be your description of such an individual, Senator?

    Charlatan?

    Do-nothing?

    Opportunist?

    Senator McCain, if you have — if you have had — a means of capturing Osama Bin Laden, and you do not immediately inform some responsible authority of the full scope of that plan, you are to some degree great or small…aiding and abetting Osama Bin Laden.

    If you could assist in capturing him now, Senator McCain, but you have chosen not to… you, Sir, have helped… Osama Bin Laden… stay free.

    Free to inspire and supervise the terrorists.

    Free to plan or execute attacks here.

    You, Sir, are blackmailing some portion of the American electorate into voting for your party, by promising to help in the capture of Bin Laden…only if you are made president!

    I’d rather win an election than catch Bin Laden!

    No more cynical calculation has ever been made in this nation’s history, Sir.

    If you lose the election, Senator, are you not going to tell the President-Elect?

    Are you intending to keep this a secret until the next election and your party’s next nominee?

    Senator, as you and your Republicans shed your phony, crocodile, opportunistic tears tomorrow on 9/11 TM, in front of the utterly disingenuous banner “Country First”….

    The fact is, you have shown that it is John McCain first, and the country last.

    The fact is, Sir, by holding out on your secret plan to catch Bin Laden…

    By searing those images into our collective wounded American psyche at your nomination last week…

    Terrorists are not what you, John McCain, fight.

    Terrorists… are what you, John McCain, use.

    Good night, and good luck.

  7. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Dangerous human-caused warming can neither be demonstrated nor measured
    By John Nicol Wednesday, September 10, 2008

    There is no evidence, neither empirical nor theoretical, that carbon dioxide emissions from industrial and other human activities can have any effect on global climate. In addition, the claims so often made that there is a consensus among climate scientists that global warming is the result of increased man-made emissions of CO2, has no basis in fact.

    The results of accurate measurements of global temperatures continue to be analysed by the international laboratories, now with 30 years experience in this process while a large number of scientists continue to perform high quality research. The results of these activities clearly demonstrate a wide range of errors in the IPCC projections.

    Among the more obvious of these errors was the prediction of global warming expected by modelling of climate for the last three years. The actual measurements of global cooling in 2007/2008, flew directly in the face of these IPCC models. It would be difficult to find a more definitive illustration of an experimental error.

    However, the claim of a consensus continues to be used in efforts to attract attention away from the lack of verifiable evidence, in a final desperate attempt to support the hypothesis that anthropogenic carbon dioxide is responsible for global warming.

    In the past, verifiable and reproducible evidence was required before acknowledgement of a scientific truth. In regard to global warming, this principle has been replaced by a process involving a majority vote.

    The fundamental requirement of reproducible evidence, has been lost in the process of promulgating the messages regarding the output from the experimental computer models providing suggestions of global warming for the IPCC reports. No two of these 23 models provide the same values of temperature – the results are not reproducible.

    That human-caused global climate change is so small that it cannot yet be differentiated from natural changes, has not been accepted. Rather our governments are being subjected to calls to provide policies based on unsubstantiated assertions of largely non-scientific executives of the IPCC, who ignore the uncertainties expressed in the main scientific reports of the International Panel. Evidence that no changes have been observed in Monsoonal activity, snow in the Himalayas, the rate of glacial retreat and the rise of sea level is conveniently ignored or presented as perceived evidence of “change”. Alarming reports are presented of the many natural processes of glacial cracking, ponding of water in the Arctic Ice and the common and repetitive droughts in the drier continents of Australia, America and Africa while insufficient attention is given to the many benefits of increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide, which forms the basis for plant growth through photosynthesis.

    In summary, the future global and local climate is as uncertain as it has always been. Multi-decadal warming, cooling trends and abrupt changes, will continue to occur. Appropriate climate related policies are needed that, first, closely monitor change; and, secondly, respond and adapt to deleterious climatic events in the same way that we already approach hazardous natural events such as droughts, storms and earthquakes. Measures include appropriate mitigation of undesirable socio-economic effects and other economic stresses resulting from changes of the world’s climate.

    The best scientific advice available at present is to “Follow the Sun”.

    Adaptation to climate change will not be aided by imprudent restructuring of the world’s energy economy in pursuit of the mitigation of an alleged “dangerous human-caused warming” that can neither be demonstrated nor measured.

    John Nicol, BSc (University of Queensland), PhD (James Cook University)

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4941

  8. swallow_my_nickel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    HeyFoxNewsSucks…have you ever stopped to consider the consequences of what would happen if bin Laden were captured? If the terrorists are willing to take hostages and kill innocent victims to free minor players, what would they be willing to do to regain bin Laden? Although it really sucks for the victims of his crimes, it may be far better in the long run to simply counter his threats as much as possible…

    By the way, it would be interesting to see how Obama would handle the situation if he wins, and then bin Laden is captured about the time he takes office…

  9. Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Right swallow_my_nickel, that’s why the Bush administration prefers to imprison the innocent and not the guilty.

  10. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    The other day a few of us discussed the possibility of this being another election where popular vote says one candidate won while the electoral college makes the opponent president. I found an interesting and educational article about what would happen if the electoral college votes were tied, here:

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Sep11.html

    You’ll need to scroll down to the topic headline:
    “What If the Electoral College is Tied?” about mid-page. It begins:

    “If no candidate for President receives 270 electoral votes (either due to a 269-269 tie or a third-party candidate has won a few electoral votes), the newly elected House chooses the President, with each state having one vote. Some people have asked what the House is likely to look like in January 2009. Lets start with the House as it is right now.

    “The blue states have Democratic majorities. The red ones have Republican majorities. Arizona and Kansas are split evenly. Click on the map for an interactive version.

    “Of course, it is the new House that gets to vote, not the old one. What changes are likely? Let’s look alphabetically.”

  11. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    At that same site, you might also find this interesting:

    “Polling and Partisan Identification”

    “A series of recent polls have shown John McCain gaining ground on Barack Obama. No doubt part of that is real due to the Republican convention and especially the speeches by Sarah Palin and McCain himself. But there is also a troubling issue here relating to partisan identification about which pollsters themselves strongly disagree. There are two schools of thought. Gallup, SurveyUSA, and many others say in effect: “If we sample 1000 people and 500 are Republicans and 500 are Democrats, that’s the way it is.” They just report the raw numbers–say 50% McCain and 50% Obama. Other pollsters, such as Rasmussen say: “I know there 42 million registered Democrats and 31 million Republicans in the country. Furthermore my own samples over the past 3 months show (for example) that 55% percent of the people I’ve called are Democrats and 45% are Republicans. So if I happen to get a 50-50 sample one day, I am going to weight the 500 Democrats as if they were 550 and I am going to weight the 500 Republicans as if they were 450. Thus even though the raw data said Obama 50% McCain 50% I am going to report that as 55% to 45%.”

    more at:
    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Sep11.html

  12. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Thanx for the links Linda. What wasn’t mentioned was the way the polls were taken i.e. the wording of said polls. Ever since 2000, I take poll numbers with a grain of salt. Come election day, should the rain be hard and the lines long, everything changes.

    I have a problem with the voting machines themselves. From the touch screen to the card scanner.

    Puzzle me this; why is Diebold’s source code protected by law? It is a simple scripting language. What could possibly be compromised by evaluating the source code of a tallying program?

  13. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    By the way, web pages are comprised of script and tags. On just about every web page you can right click a white space and select View Source. This will give you a txt file with all of the mark up. Why won’t Diebold provide the same?

  14. Phantom
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Foreigneres don’t pay taxes.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080911/pl_nm/usa_taxes_dividends_dc_2

  15. Hud
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    “If no candidate for President receives 270 electoral votes (either due to a 269-269 tie or a third-party candidate has won a few electoral votes), the newly elected House chooses the President…”

    And the Senate chooses the Vice President.

  16. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    And if the House is unable to elect a President, the Vice President elected by the Senate (with each state having two votes, one per senator) acts as President.

    Another new to me fact I learned from reading the link I posted above. And, it’s ALL possible this year! Fascinating!

  17. Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    I remember where I was at on 9-11-01, I was in my cubicle at work and one of our co-workers said that a plane just hit one of the twin towers. We thought she was joking, then we watched the video on the internet. We were shocked but not near as shocked when we heard about the second plane. I was too busy working so I didn’t have the time to really reflect on it until I got home.

    I am thankful to the men and women who had the strength and courage to help those in need on that day. My cousins only lived and worked a few blocks down from the twin towers, and the authorities helped them to find their child who was in a daycare in the same area and then got them to safety on the island.

    I thank God for the courage that he gave the men and women on Flight 911 to try to take over the plane from the terrorist. Their lives shall not be in vain. I thank God for the Air Traffic Control who had the wisdom to shut down the air traffic completely; their action stopped the terrorist from using 4 to 5 more of our planes to destroy us. I thank God that the Pentagon was not completely destroyed.

    I thank God for the brave men and women who have joined the military to protect the citizens of the United States of America from further attacks by the terrorists. Their sacrifice will not be in vain.

    Shall we never forget not just the tragedy that happened that day but of the unity and the true spirit of America, to help our fellow brother in need. We may seem divided when it comes to politics, sports and other things but that is only an expression of the individuality that we all have come to know and honor in the true spirit of Freedom. May others throughout the world have gift of freedom that we have come to know and share.

  18. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Sol, I know nothing (absolutely nada!) about computers, source codes…! I may be less capable than McCain says he is. I do trust you and your knowledge so if you are worried I know there is reason for that worry. We have enough problems in politics without adding machines that you’re warning may only add to the corruption. Is there anything that can be done, any solutions?

  19. Hud
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    “So if I happen to get a 50-50 sample one day, I am going to weight the 500 Democrats as if they were 550 and I am going to weight the 500 Republicans as if they were 450. Thus even though the raw data said Obama 50% McCain 50% I am going to report that as 55% to 45%.”

    Linda, just like I heard Obama say the other day, There are numbers, damn number, and statistics. You can play all day and never come up with an answer.

    55% to 45% of what. Most of the polls use “registered voters”. Of course, using the past record we know not every “registered voter” will vote. Using the numbers from past elections, A higher percentage of “Registered Republicans” will actually vote than “Registered Democrats”. So the correct answer is not 55/45.

    I love numbers.

  20. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Hud, did you click on this link — evstrength.com — at the site we read about polls and electoral votes? That blogger loves numbers too! I find this all fascinating, sure seems numbers (in this case) can prove or disprove about what you choose.

    My sincere hope is we actually have an outcome to this election that seems fair and above board to most Americans. I worry about our divisiveness.

  21. gster
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    “A higher percentage of “Registered Republicans” will actually vote than “Registered Democrats”

    That statement could well be true regarding past elections, but I rather doubt if it’s necessarily going to be the case in the forthcoming election. I wouldn’t count out theBush incompetence/anger factor together with ” voters remorse” from earlier elections.

  22. Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Did anyone see Joe Biden on the news last night? He is already setting the stage to take a step down and let Obama announce a new running mate. I wonder who that could be. Could it be Hillary? How ironic would that be. I don’t know which one loathes the other the worst.

    And wow, just think a VP debate between Palin and Clinton. It would be more watched than the Presidential debate of Obama and McCain. As a matter of fact it will be more watched than the famous tennis match in the 70s between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs. I bet it will be the most watched event in history. I can’t wait.

    Even though Clinton is very good at debates, My bet is on Palin. I’m gambling that a person’s(Palin’s) honesty and integrity can outweigh a person’s(Clinton’s) intellect and ingenuity.

  23. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    This is another article I found interesting. It talks about Barack Obama teaching at the University of Chicago Law School — the classes he taught, his methods, what his students had to say… It also (at the bottom of the article) includes a link to a sample of an exam he used. All I know about law(s) is I want to avoid interaction with those who enforce them. But would be interested in opinions of those better informed than me about the sample exam.

    Taking Professor Obama’s Class

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1835238,00.html?cnn=yes

  24. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    Sadly, you probably don’t even see the hypocritial irony of your post do you?

    “I hate to distract you CONs from your name-calling snarks…Let’s use the John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term.)”

  25. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Linda,

    Only if voters demand an end to vote fraud. Simply testing the machines will not work. It would be very easy to do a date check when the vote is cast. If it is not election day between voting hours, count correctly. Otherwise, tally the vote in any form programmed.

    The only way to truly ensure the program is functioning properly is to examine the source code. Get some independent college types (students and/or professors) and some local developers to examine random machines.

  26. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Well, Sol, guess we’re dead in the water then. Voters seem to be really busy trying to make each candidate look as stupid, corrupt, incapable as possible. Don’t think we have time to address a boring topic like vote fraud…

  27. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Sad fact Linda.

  28. Phantom
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Sounds like a reaonable drill bill. But since it contains some take away from oil co. don’t expect the repubs. or mccain to support it.
    Since the ocs is not part of the coastal state territory, I hope they don’t get any royalties out of it.

  29. Phantom
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080911/pl_nm/usa_energy_legislation_dc;_ylt=AkEHWHjnzEhGrN4UNPHPFT0a.3QA

  30. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Sample exam is not remarkable to me; while some might divine hidden messages, etc., from the two questions, it seems typical and appropriate for an advanced Constitutional Law class.

    I found it interesting that U Chicago allows for a six hour exam period, but that it was suggested that three hours would be sufficient. BTW, in suggesting that the additional three hours could be spent in any way the student wanted, if I were taking the exam, a part of that time would be spent in reading and editing the answers for typos, etc., as I am sure many students did.

  31. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Vaughn, did either the article or the sample exam tell you anything about Obama that might be informative as to how he would lead, govern?

  32. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Phantom,

    I saw the word ‘exploration’ used an awful lot in that article. That has been part of the problem. The lease holders may lease the land, but not explore. Explore, but no test wells. Test wells, but no production.

    Do you know if these restrictions have been lifted as well?

    Otherwise, it looks good to me at first blush.

  33. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Linda, no.

  34. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” whines –

    “… you probably don’t even see the hypocritial [sic] irony of your post do you?”

    “Nathaniel,” I’m fully aware of the irony. Even of the “hypocritial” nature.

    You, boy, don’t want to discuss the realities of the candidates’ different tax policies. You’d rather Distract and Attack me.

    All you CONs resort to name-calling or insults or snits directed toward those us us who happen to disagree with you. Yeah, I snark at John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) and the Moose-Dresser.

    I try to never go personal against other posters to this forum. And, compared to the CONs, I think I have a pretty good record on the front.

    Care to prove me wrong?

  35. Raptor
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Borg…I had flown to Miami on 9/10 (from Los Angeles). Spent many days in a hotel in Miami, staring at CNN and trying to figure out how to get home. Wasn’t complaining…I had a minor inconvenience compared with what so many other people were dealing with.

    I still have a picture I took of midtown Manhattan from the 69th floor of the south tower..3 weeks prior to the attack.

    The events of that day were horrifying..and make me wonder what are those animals planning next? How can they kill thousands of totally innocent people and claim a ‘victory’???

  36. Raptor
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    MH wrote:
    “All you CONs resort to name-calling or insults or snits directed toward those us us who happen to disagree with you.”

    As usual, any gross generalization is easy to shoot down. “ALL” is pretty inclusive. Since you made the claim, do you care to back it up with a some kind of proof? I seem to see people on ‘your side’ unloading claims like “bush whore” and “pukes” etc., etc., etc. as personal attacks more than from the conservative side. But..that is just an observation, not going to claim one ’side’ is better or worse than others–as you apparently have done.

    So, MH..let’s see a little proof of your claim, shall we? Either that, or kindly refrain from such all sweeping generalizations. ok?

  37. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    You routinely have been little more than both rude and deragatory to me.

    How many times have you mocked my service in the Marine Corps?

    I have lost count.

    Now you sit here acting like you never go personal?

    What a liar you are.

  38. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/obama%E2%80%99s-kansas-grandmother-made-her-own-way/#comment-398911

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 10, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Poor “Nathaniel” –

    He gots his wittle feewings hurt.

    What a whiner.

    No wonder the Marines don’t want you back, boy.

  39. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    You can see MonkeyHawk continue on in that thread mocking my service and making personal attacks to me when I had done nothing to him.

  40. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    How rich…

    MonkeyHawk, now that WS Clark has left you have got to be the biggest offender on this blog by far.

    And then you sit here actinh like you never make things personal? LOL

    Wow, I think I am going to have to go to the bathroom before I wet myself laughing so hard.

  41. Raptor
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    September 10, 3:18AM..MH wrote:

    “You’re a real stud-muffin, I’m sure. The Nora Joneses of the world just line up to date you. And that four-pronged cane is just to beat them away.

    Too bad they’re all inflatable.”

    Nawww…MH never resorts to personal attacks/insults. Nope. Just like his attacks on Nathan, calling him “boy” among other demeaning personal insults.

    Sorry, MH…your holier than thou claim just doesn’t stand up.

  42. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Officials tell wire services of ’serious incident’ in tunnel between U.K. and France

  43. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    “Raptor” cites –

    “You’re a real stud-muffin, I’m sure. The Nora Joneses of the world just line up to date you. And that four-pronged cane is just to beat them away.

    Too bad they’re all inflatable.”

    Sounds to me like I was extolling “Regular’s” self-proclaimed status as a Nora Jones Magnet.

    That’s demeaning?

    “Nawww…MH never resorts to personal attacks/insults. Nope. Just like his attacks on Nathan, calling him “boy” among other demeaning personal insults.”

    As I recall, “HLP” frequently refers to “Nathaniel” as “the boy.” (As he calls his favorite lap dogs.)

    “Demeaning?!”

    I thought it was a term of endearment.

    “Sorry, MH…your holier than thou claim just doesn’t stand up.”

    Except to, y’know, the facts.

  44. Raptor
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Attacking and demeaning Nathan’s military service is a very personal attack…care to put a spin on that one?

    And..still waiting for some backup on the “ALL you Cons” statement….you made it, care to substantiate it? Or can you admit your overly broad generalization is just that?

  45. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/11/tunnel.fire/index.html

    Above is link to incident ANTI posted on earlier; from same, a fire occurred on a freight train on the French side of the channel tunnel; no passenger trains in the tunnel.

  46. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” whines –

    “… you probably don’t even see the hypocritial [sic] irony of your post do you?”

    “Nathaniel,” I’m fully aware of the irony. Even of the “hypocritial” nature.

    You, boy, don’t want to discuss the realities of the candidates’ different tax policies. You’d rather Distract and Attack me.

    All you CONs resort to name-calling or insults or snits directed toward those us us who happen to disagree with you. Yeah, I snark at John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) and the Moose-Dresser.

    I try to never go personal against other posters to this forum. And, compared to the CONs, I think I have a pretty good record on the front.

    Care to prove me wrong?
    ——————-
    roflmao!

    What a knee slapper!

  47. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” pisses his pants with –

    “How many times have you mocked my service in the Marine Corps?

    “I have lost count.”

    Okay. I’ve got to go for the stale old joke. You set me up “Nathaniel.” I’m only human. So here goes:

    “You’ve lost count? Typical Marine.”

    (cue the rimshot)

    “Now you sit here acting like you never go personal?”

    Nope.

    Go back and reread the post you’re whining about responding to.

    I said I try to not make my posts personal toward other participants in this forum. Sometimes you guys just make it so damned easy.

    “What a liar you are.”

    Sorry if it seems personal to you, “Nathaniel,” but if you’ve been to Iraq and other Marines are dispatched back to war zones and the Marines are so desperate they’re recruiting high school drop-outs and convicted felons rather than call you back into active duty, you’ve become an ex-Marine. They don’t want you back, boy. The Marines think they’re better off without you, boy.

    Nothing personal, mind you. I respect the Marine Corps. They’re probably the best military force on the planet. I respect their opinion about who they want in their ranks and on the front line. I respect and salute the fact that the Marine Corps would rather have you in Goddard instead of Baghdad.

    They know who they’d be dealing with, boy. And they obviously don’t want you.

  48. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    “Raptor” tries –

    “…still waiting for some backup on the “ALL you Cons” statement….you made it, care to substantiate it? Or can you admit your overly broad generalization is just that?”

    I dunno.

    Show me a CON on this forum who hasn’t.

  49. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    the Marines are so desperate they’re recruiting high school drop-outs and convicted felons

    I respect the Marine Corps. (snip) . I respect their opinion about who they want in their ranks and on the front line.

    LMFAO

    You can’t even make this $hit up !!!!

  50. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Yeah, for not wanting me on the “front line” the Marine Corps has only asked me to go 3 times in the past year.

    MonkeyHawk, you are an idiot. You continue to show that you not only do not know anything about the Marine Corps, but you have no respect for those that serve honorably in the Marines.

  51. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Can’t speak to the situation with recruiting problems or lack thereof that the USMC is or might be facing. However, it appears that the Army is having sufficient problems that it has started its own prep school so enlistees who dropped out of high school can get a GED before basic training:

    http://www.army.mil/-newsreleases/2008/08/01/11404-army-to-open-preparatory-school-for-prospective-soldiers/

    Gotta love the comments of the General quoted in the above.

  52. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    I want to make it clear that I’m all for requiring enlistees to have a minimum of a high school diploma; I don’t think that it should be the business of the Army to try to supply it in the form of a GED.

  53. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    I don’t see the big deal. It appears as if the Army is trying to do the right thing and still meet enlistment goals.

    Instead of lowering their standards to accept those without High School diplomas, they are helping those who don’t have one to get a GED.

    The military can teach young men and women quite a bit on doing the right thing, ethics, leadership…etc…etc…

    These are all good things for kids who otherwise wouldn’t even have a GED or much of a future.

    Then upon completeion of their 4 years, they will even have the opportuinty for college.

    What is so bad about that?

    Uneducated young men and women will get an education and our military will be closer to meeting their recruiting goals.

    Seems like a win win to me.

  54. Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122109403841221751.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

    Ethics Adviser Warned Palin
    About Trooper Issue
    Letter Described
    Situation as ‘Grave,’
    Called for Apology
    By JIM CARLTON
    September 11, 2008; Page A8

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska — An informal adviser who has counseled Gov. Sarah Palin on ethics issues urged her in July to apologize for her handling of the dismissal of the state’s public safety commissioner and warned that the matter could snowball into a bigger scandal.

    In the letter, written before Sen. John McCain picked the Alaska governor as his running mate, former U.S. Attorney Wevley Shea warned Gov. Palin that “the situation is now grave” and recommended that she and her husband, Todd Palin, apologize for “overreaching or perceived overreaching” for using her position to try to get Trooper Mike Wooten fired from the force.

    Mr. Shea was acting on his own in writing the letter, with no official capacity. In late 2006, Gov. Palin asked him to co-write an ethics report for Gov. Palin with then-House Democratic leader Ethan Berkowitz that recommended new financial-disclosure rules for elected and appointed officials in the statehouse. That report served as a key document for the ethics bill she later signed into law.

    Gov. Palin has taken the opposite tack, hiring a private attorney to advise in a matter that has become known as “Troopergate.” Seven Palin administration employees have refused to meet with the independent investigator. The McCain-Palin campaign has argued that the state legislature has no right to look into the matter. Palin spokesmen say the state personnel board is the appropriate investigative body, setting up a showdown between the state’s legislative and executive branches.

    Sound familiar? Legislative oversight, we don’t need no stinkin’ legislative oversight! Some change, eh?

  55. samkan
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    BUYERS BEWARE:

    I just want to warn some of you who have teenagers or young adults who have joined the “text messaging” craze. Our 19 year old son bought a “pay as you go” phone and signed up with Virgin Mobile for their $20 per month unlimited texting plan. Unfortunately, he used his debit card to sign up and now, in the last 3 months his account has been charged over $800. Sometimes it was charged 2 or 3 times in one day. We look up his account online and yes, it says it is a $20 unlimited texting plan. We have cancelled the debit card, contacted the Attorney General and the Better Business Bureau, but we are told we are unlikely to get anything back on the fraudulent charges more than 60 days old.

    If you sign up for one of these plans, I do not recommend using a debit card. Also, watch your account more closely than he did, or you may end up with $0 plus bank charges.

  56. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    #
    samkan
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    BUYERS BEWARE:

    I just want to warn some of you who have teenagers or young adults who have joined the “text messaging” craze. Our 19 year old son bought a “pay as you go” phone and signed up with Virgin Mobile for their $20 per month unlimited texting plan. Unfortunately, he used his debit card to sign up and now, in the last 3 months his account has been charged over $800. Sometimes it was charged 2 or 3 times in one day. We look up his account online and yes, it says it is a $20 unlimited texting plan. We have cancelled the debit card, contacted the Attorney General and the Better Business Bureau, but we are told we are unlikely to get anything back on the fraudulent charges more than 60 days old.

    If you sign up for one of these plans, I do not recommend using a debit card. Also, watch your account more closely than he did, or you may end up with $0 plus bank charges.
    ———————–
    Sweet clam shells SamKan!

    That’s a lot of money for texting!

    Hope you’re able to erase the debts, it sounds like an advertising trap to me.

  57. Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Samkan–

    Thank the Bush administration.

    The regulations that should be in force for this kind of abuse are not.

  58. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Good luck, SamKan.

    For others: if one is tempted to buy a “pay as you go” cell, read all the fine print. The $20 per month unlimited texting plan might have (as a hypothetical; haven’t read the plan SamKan refers to) a “daily access charge” of some amount, which is in addition to the texting time. If the telephone is used for verbal calls, there’s another charge on a per minute basis.

    But most importantly, don’t do the debit card thing; add minutes by purchasing them as needed; not as convenient, to be sure, but better control.

  59. samkan
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Regular…

    No doubt there is some small print somewhere (too small for my 54 year old eyes to read) that will get them off the hook. It sure isn’t apparent in reading the contract online. We did print a copy in case they choose to make any modifications between now and when the authorities check it out.

  60. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Thank the Bush administration.

    Holy $hit you gotta be kidding me. EVERYTHING is Bush’s fault. Capn has chronic diarrhea. Bush’s fault. Capn stubs his toe, Bush’s fault.

    Get a freakin life already.

  61. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Just got my early voter registration to vote by mail in the mail today.

    I plan on taking advantage of it, cause it’s gonna be a zoo-like atmosphere around Election day November 4!

  62. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” conjures –

    “…for not wanting me on the “front line” the Marine Corps has only asked me to go 3 times in the past year.”

    And you denied them three times?

    That’s downright Biblical, boy!

  63. Raptor
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Sol…you are sooo right. Katrina was Bush’s fault. NAFTA is Bush’s fault. China becomming communist is Bush’s fault.

    Capn has a bit of a fixation problem it would appear.

    Personally, I agree with Freebird in a previous post. I really don’t think it will make that much of a difference no matter who wins. Changing madams in the whorehouse won’t change the corrupt government that we have. Congress getting automatic pay raises for not working. Lifetime pensions even after “serving” 1 term. Corporate “lobbyists” buying influence in BOTH parties.

    The system is clearly broken, and regardless of who wins in November, it will still be broken.

  64. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    You have truly demonstrated what a hypocrite is today.

    You start off by attacking the “cons” for making “name calling snarks” and then procede to make one yourself.

    You then follow it up by pronouncing yourself as someone who “tries” to never go personal and then challenge someone to prove you wrong.

    When proven wrong you procede to continue with the personal attacks.

    This is too much. You can’t make this kind of stupidity up!

  65. Heckler
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    So, how long before Obama dumps Biden?

  66. gster
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    “So, how long before Obama dumps Biden?”

    I must have missed this- what are you referring to?

  67. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    So, how long before Obama dumps Biden?
    =================
    Dunno,

    I find it hilarious that Obama would pick Biden being as Biden has stated:

    Obama doesn’t have the experience

    and

    That Biden would be willing to server as Vice President to John McCain and that Senator McCain would make a great President.

  68. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Cyclist OK After Crash With Bear

    He may have been going green by riding his bicycle to work, but a Montana middle school teacher is pretty black and blue after he struck a massive bear.

    Jim Litz said he was traveling about 25 mph Monday morning when he came upon a rise and spotted a black bear about 10 feet in front of him. He didn’t have time to stop and T-boned the bruin.

    He tumbled over the handlebars, his helmet hit the bear’s back and the two went cartwheeling down the road.

    The 300-pound bear rolled over Litz’s head, cracking his helmet, and scratched his back before scampering up a hill above the road.

    Litz’s wife drove by shortly after the crash and took her husband to the hospital. He hoped to be able to return to teaching science at Target Range Middle School by Friday. (AP)

  69. Heckler
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    And when Obama dumps Biden who does he replace him with?

  70. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    gster, Senator Biden defended Senator Clinton in NO uncertain terms — said something to the affect that Senator Obama should /could have chosen her, she would have made an excellent, of course was qualified… (I don’t remember the exact words just the intent) and I’m certainly not going to look it up to lend any credence to the question posed here. It’s one of those look the other way because some posts and posters definitely don’t deserve to be dignified with a response.

  71. Hud
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    “And when Obama dumps Biden who does he replace him with?”

    Biden says Hillary would have been a better selection.

  72. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Target Range Middle School

    What the…

    You’re kidding us on that name right?

  73. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
    Target Range Middle School

    What the…

    You’re kidding us on that name right?
    ——
    Nope…You gotta think fast at that school!

  74. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420803,00.html

    Bear story

  75. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Oh and before the Libs say, “Fox is biased and favored the bicyclist!”, here is another source for the Bear Story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26650794/

  76. gster
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the info Linda.

  77. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    $4000 per year for congress.
    No health coverage.
    No retirement.
    Meet twice a year for 1 month each.
    Taking lobbyist money is a felony (don’t know how to enforce that yet).

    Should shake loose the old timers that don’t need to be there.

  78. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    $4000 per year for congress.

    Salaries that is…

  79. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    In this age of instant communication from anywhere, they ought to be able to spend lots more time in their congressional districts AND keep up the “responsibilities” as a body. Would spread them around where their constituents could keep a closer eye on them and lobbyists wouldn’t find so many in one place thus would need to work harder to buy them.

  80. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Amen to that.

  81. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    ANTI posted September 11, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “Oh and before the Libs say, “Fox is biased and favored the bicyclist!”, here is another source for the Bear Story.”
    ———-

    anti does not seem to understand that “AP” and “Associated Press” are the same source.

    Faux:
    “at Target Range Middle School by Friday. (AP)”

    MSNBC:
    “at Target Range Middle School on Friday.
    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.”

  82. GMC70
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    COMPLETELY different subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You have before you the entirety of the best music collection you can think of. What song do you play first?

    I’ll start – It’s a close call, and would depend on my mood, but most likely:

    “Kashmir” – Led Zeppelin

    From Physical Graffitti (GREAT ALBUM!)- “In my time of Dying,” “Houses of the Holy,” “Trampled Underfoot,” and then “Kashmir,” bang, bang, bang, bang. I’d died and gone to heaven. And best of all, my folks hated it!

  83. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    little wing

  84. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink
    ANTI posted September 11, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    “Oh and before the Libs say, “Fox is biased and favored the bicyclist!”, here is another source for the Bear Story.”
    ———-

    anti does not seem to understand that “AP” and “Associated Press” are the same source.

    Faux:
    “at Target Range Middle School by Friday. (AP)”

    MSNBC:
    “at Target Range Middle School on Friday.
    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.”
    ——–

    Cosmos doesn’t understand humor, or the fact that most libs see “Fox News” and don’t read any further.

  85. beber
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    “Sol…you are sooo right. Katrina was Bush’s fault. NAFTA is Bush’s fault. China becomming communist is Bush’s fault.” — the wefu

    The concept of consumer as prey has advanced somewhat however, in the past eight years. It’s called the fox in the henhouse phenom.

  86. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    little wing- Jimi
    Redemption Song- Bob Marley
    Diamond On The Inside- Ben Harper
    Great White Buffalo- Ted Nuget

  87. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Hmm, tough call, as it is all mood dependent.

    “I’m Just a Singer in a Rock and Roll Band” – Moody Blues;
    “Stairway to Heaven” – Led Zeppelin
    “Bridge Over Troubled Waters” – Simon & Garfunkel
    “Like a Rolling Stone” – Bob Dylan

    for starters. If I’m in a particular mood, however, “Brandenburg Concerto #V”, by J.S. Bach.

  88. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    “Yesterday”

  89. biased1
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    GMC70
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
    COMPLETELY different subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ——————————————-
    toss-up
    meatloaf- Dashboard Lights
    nick cave- stagga’ lee

  90. biased1
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    beber
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
    “Sol…you are sooo right. Katrina was Bush’s fault. NAFTA is Bush’s fault. China becomming communist is Bush’s fault.” — the wefu

    The concept of consumer as prey has advanced somewhat however, in the past eight years. It’s called the fox in the henhouse phenom.
    ———————————————

    Never forget, the policies of the self proclaimed “First Black President”
    Caused 9/11

  91. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    “Outside” – Staind

  92. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Also most anything by TOOL

  93. biased1
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
    Also most anything by TOOL
    ——————————–
    Huh, huh……….he said “TOOL”
    huh, huh……

  94. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Start it off with an oldie:

    Gene Krupa featured in a Benny Goodman Band, and the song, “Sing Sing Sing.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko

    Moving up a bit in time, Nat and Natalie Cole, “Unforgettable.”

    Animals, “The House of the Rising Sun”

    “White Rabbit” Jefferson Airplane

    “California Dreamin” Mamas and the Papas

    “Hotel California” The Eagles

    “Kokomo” Beach Boys

    Not in the hard rock mood today, but do have have some faves in acid and hard rock.

  95. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Yeah! I did! huh huh…TOOL.. huh huh

  96. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    SamKan,

    I was reading an article late last night about customer problems with AT&T cell phone billing. Seems a couple of customers have received bills in the thousands. Sorry I can’t remember the details, but at least one of the customers was able to have the bill wiped clean. The other is working on it.

    Maybe google AT&T over-billing or something like that? You might get some ideas on how to handle your son’s problem.

    And this is why I DON’T TEXT. :)

  97. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Well….

    “Stairway To Heaven” by Led Zeppelin

    “Wish You Were Here” Pink Floyd

    “With Or Without You” U2

    U2 is one of my favorite groups.

  98. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Regular,

    If we stick to music, you and I could get along well. :) Except for “Hotel California”, that is. Oh, Nat King Cole has been a favorite of mine since I was a kid. I’ve downloaded (legally) several NKC songs and have a double (vinyl) album of his greatest hits.

    VT,

    Thumbs up on “Bridge Over Troubled Waters”, but you already know I’m a S&G fan. :)

  99. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Boy…

    I love “Baba O’Riley” by The Who as well.

    I actually have a top 200 songs list on my computer. Pretty good stuff.

  100. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    avtolle,

    Nice selection. I was going to say “Like A Rolling Stone” by Bob Dylan as well.

  101. biased1
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Nathanal- Nice selection. I was going to say “Like A Rolling Stone” by Bob Dylan as well
    —————————–
    Why not dust off the old bong and listen to some Alices Resturant…..

    hippies……..

  102. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Category 2 Ike is larger and more powerful than Katrina
    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1080&tstamp=200809

  103. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    I would have loved to be a fly on the wall at the 2-hour luncheon meeting today between President Clinton and Senator Obama.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-clinton12-2008sep12,0,1910967.story

  104. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    My Windows Media Player contains 400-500 songs that I’ve either ripped from my own CD’s (saves changing CD’s and skipping over what I don’t like) or downloaded songs. Picking a favorite is very difficult. I’ve put them in categories for different moods. Lately, we’ve been playing the “Walking” category, very upbeat and “easy to dance to”. The 1-year-old grandson likes the original “Lady Marmalade” the best.

    Favorite groups? (That’s a little easier.) Beatles, Beach Boys, Blood Sweat & Tears, Dan Fogelberg, Barbra Streisand, CCR, James Taylor, Gloria Estafan, Stevie Wonder— (taking a breath) –the aformentioned Simon & Garfunkel, Neil Diamond, Doobie Brothers, Chicago, Sergio Mendez, Herb Alpert… That’s only the tip of the iceberg. There’s some Country, a little Jazz, a few Classical, Alternative (or whatever it’s called), and a whole bunch of late 50’s early 60’s music.

  105. Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    In some ways, I have grown weary of a lot of “classic rock.”

    Some decent songs were mercilessly overplayed and thus ruined, like The Eagles’ “Take It Easy” or the Byrds “Turn, Turn, Turn.” A lot of others just weren’t that good to begin with–case in point, the infamous “Freebird” and absolutely everything by The Steve Miller Band.

    Fortunately, some really great bands got no airtime what so ever back in the AM pop heyday, so they still sound fresh: Grateful Dead, Pure Prairie League, The Band, Flying Burrito Bros, early YES (before they sold out and sucked up), Cream and Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

  106. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Back to serious stuff…

    I received voting info in the mail today from Sedgwick Co. Election office. It says, “Voter turnout this presidential election is expected to be big, but you can beat the crowd by voting early either in person or by mail.”

    I like the “Any voter can vote at any site” for the advance voting. There are 15 locations. That’s probably what I’ll pick, seeing that there usually aren’t people waiting in long lines.

    Anybody else?

  107. Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    And the first two albums REO Speedwagon put out were sublime. After that, they went straight downhill.

  108. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

    I saw them at the State Fair once, years ago. They’re good!

  109. SolDevVB
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Pre,

    Wouldn’t that skew the voting record for each area? I am all for making it easier to vote, but I understand there being rules.

    Also, during the ‘hanging chad’ issue I remember something about they might have to count the mailed in votes. Could be wrong though. Are the votes counted or are they reserved in case of a tie or recount?

  110. GMC70
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Ya know the best part of this list of songs –

    There’s always a few that I’m not familiar with. A new place to go mining for music.

    Great stuff, all. Keep it up! There really is more to life – and more important things – than all politics, all the time. If only the work computer would let me use Pandora . . . . .

    Time may come, I may invite you all out for a meet-up, and bring a guitar, or whatever you play. Or to listen to a band.

  111. Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    PreD–

    Download an Advanced Voting application and send it in.

    No driving, no lines.

    Plus there’s a paper trail of your vote.

    http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/forms.htm

    It’s the second hotlink on the page.

  112. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of Bob Dylan, my favorite is “The Times They Are a Changin’” ;) Good for election time, huh?

    I was surprised and shouldn’t have been to learn that the theme song for Hope Floats, “To Make Me Feel Your Love”, was written by Dylan. Sung by and made famous by Garth Brooks, of course. But I found an even better rendition of it by Mick McAuley and Winifred Horan, Irish ballad singers.

  113. ANTI
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    GMC, if your into the southern rock/country stuff check out The Drive by Truckers(I know, horrible name), Wade Bowen, Mike McClure, Corry Morrow, ect.

    Good bands, not cookie cutter crap.

  114. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    If only the work computer would let me use Pandora . . . . .

    Pandora is THE greatest! I haven’t listened for a while, but I go back now and then. VT has a great radio station to listen to on the web, too. Maybe he’ll share here?

    Um, I played flute, so if we could do some BS&T (Colour My World), maybe I could fake it. LOL (I wanted to play the cello.)

  115. gster
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    If you play guitar, you’ve got to really like the Stones, particularly their older stuff. And , of course, Hendrix.

  116. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Capn, there’s a form for Vote by Mail in what I received today. But I think I’ll do the real thing. I must like pushing those names on the screen. Not as much fun as the levers were, though.

  117. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Sol,

    I have no idea about the voting, only what the SCE sent. I suppose you could call and ask.

    I once voted absentee by mail because I suspected I might be in the hospital having a baby at voting time. Now I can’t remember if I was or wasn’t.

  118. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I voted one year by mail as I was going to be traveling on election day. No problems as I was having a great trip and had done my duty…

    Another year I voted in advance. Election day came (I wasn’t traveling!) and I felt at loose ends, left out, I can’t really come up the words to describe how I felt, so for me I’ll stand in the lines. If those lines are long I will try to enjoy the fact that many are accepting the right and responsibility of voting.

  119. Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Linda–

    You should volunteer to GOTV (Get Out The Vote) or to be a poll watcher.

    Believe me, you’ll feel like part of the action, then, heh.

    I may go to Missouri with a video camera to do my small bit to stop the RepubliCONs from stealing the election in a battleground state, like they always do.

  120. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    My oldest (28) is a huge Doors, Queen, and Elvis fan. I am NOT nor never have been an Elvis fan, but she managed to drag me to see and tour Graceland 10 years ago. I was not impressed.

  121. lindainks55
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Where / how would I do that Capn?

  122. Nathaniel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    I actually got out my ipod and was listening to some of my favorites on the way to feed the animals for my parents.

    I see that someone brought up Jimi Hendrix. I just listened to “All Along The Watchtower.”

    Some odd ones that I like:

    Def Leppard, they were the 80’s rock that I grew up listening to with friends.

    I know it is “stealing” but I have about 100 GB of Music that I have from Iraq with another 500GB of movies and TV shows.

    In Iraq they have a shared drive with over 1 TB of movies, music, and TV so that the soldiers can download stuff to pass time.

    Of course, they are probably up to 3 TB now.

  123. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Don’t get bogged down with the “hits” of classic rock. Back in the day it was “Album-Oriented Rock & Roll;” they played other cuts off of albums and a lot of the stuff you never heard or have forgotten is pretty awesome.

    Let me recommend http://www.beakerstreet.com

    For those of you too young to remember, KAAY Little Rock was a special radio station back in the late 60s and early 70s.

    It was an old-fashioned mom & pop radio station from 6 am to 6 pm… they ran the pig scores did a lot of local news and stuff. Then from 6 pm to Midnight they were pretty much a typical Top 40 station. But after Midnight…

    KAAY was a 50,000 watt clear channel (before that was a brand) AM station. You could hear it in 49 states and this guy who took the name “Clyde Clifford” was the transmitter engineer off in a remote location from the regular studios. He did an album-rock show called “Beaker Street.”

    It was magic.

    Anyway, Clyde still creates the magic, albeit without the 50K blow-torch. And it’s still magic. Yeah, he plays some hits, but he also goes deep into the album cuts.

    Here was last Sunday’s playist:

    7:00 – 8:00 pm
    Grateful Dead China Cat Sunflower
    Proto-Kaw Relics Of The Tempest
    Uriah Heep Sweet Lorain
    Pink Floyd Shine On You Crazy Diamond ( Delicate Sound of Thunder )
    Argent Lothlorien
    Mason Proffit Medley: George’s Jam/Call Me The Breeze
    The Strawbs Lay Down
    The Winter Consort Icarus
    Populuxx The Message
    Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow The Man On The Silver Mountain

    8:00 – 9:00 pm
    Queen Radio Ga Ga
    Gordon Lightfoot The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald
    Porcupine Tree Lightbulb Sun
    Led Zeppelin You Shook Me / Dazed And Confused
    Chris Rea Burning Feet
    Genesis Visions Of Angels
    Richard Thompson Dad’s Gonna Kill Me
    Grateful Dead Doin’ That Rag
    Flow Arlene

    Little Rock Classics with Scott Reed
    littlerockclassics@gmail.com
    Fleet Foxes – Fleet Foxes
    Ragged Wood / Tiger Mountain Peasant Song / Quiet Houses / He Doesn’t Know Why / Blue Ridge Mountains

    9:00 – 10:00 pm
    Robin Trower Messin’ The Blues
    Duane Allman B.B. King Medley: A. Sweet Little Angel,
    B. It’s My Own Fault, C. How Blue Can You Get
    Roy Buchanan When A Guitar Plays The Blues
    Grateful Dead Cosmic Charlie
    Rush Bastille Day
    Canned Heat Going Up The Country

    10:00 – 11:00 pm
    Trout Fishing In America Ode To Big Blue
    Steppenwolf Monster
    Fleetwood Mac ( I’m A ) Road Runner
    Scallion What Are We doing Here
    FM Dialing For Dharma
    Arlo Guthrie Presidential Rag
    Bela Fleck & The Flecktones Far East Medley
    Led Zeppelin Your Time Is Gonna Come /
    Black Mountain Side / Communication Breakdown
    Beatles A Day In The Life

    11:00 -12:00 pm
    MIJ Grok ( Martian Love Call )
    Trout Fishing In America Not Fade Away
    Duane Allman Going Down Slow
    Chris Rea Stony Road
    String Cheese Incident Hey Pocky Way
    Captain Beyond Dancing Madly Backwards ( On A Sea Of Air )
    / Armworth / Myopic Void / Mesmerization Eclipse
    Tempest Byker Hill
    The Strawbs Benedictus
    Jefferson Starship Women Who Fly

    Check it out.

  124. Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Cool play list, MH.

    Thanks for the tip.

  125. GMC70
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Wow. I remember Beaker Street. Late at night, on AM. Playing that wierd Rush stuff and some far-out cat named Frank Zappa (Goin to Montana soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon . . . )

    Bringing back memories. And now it’s on the net? Yes, I will have to go there.

    Also – discovered an alternative to Pandora that’s not blocked: Slacker

  126. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Obama yells, “Joe, RUN & HIDE!

    It’s Palin!

    Hillary, HELP ME! HELP ME! HELP ME!”

    Obama, err, I mean CBS News had McCain AD pulled, cause it scared Obama so much!

    Pansy A*s.

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/11/cbs-news-forces-youtube-to-pull-mccain-lipstick-ad/

    CBS News Forces YouTube to Pull McCain ‘Lipstick’ Ad

    CBS News has jumped into the middle of the presidential race, forcing YouTube to take down a Web ad by John McCain’s campaign that the network calls “misleading” in its use of Katie Couric.

    The ad, entitled “Lipstick,” accuses Barack Obama of calling McCain running mate Sarah Palin a lipstick-wearing pig. It features at the end a quote from Couric bemoaning the “continued and accepted role of sexism in American life.” Couric at the time was referring to Democratic primary coverage of Sen. Hillary Clinton.

  127. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    YO, OBAMA! YOU HAVE NO CHOICE NOW!

    YOU MUST DUMP BIDEN, AND BEG FOR HILLARY TO BE YOUR VP!

    HURRY! YOU MUST DO THIS AT THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW, SAY 5PM FRIDAY!

    (Will hide more easily that way)

    Then come Monday, you can say “What Change? Hillary’s been the VP all along. I don’t know what you’re talkin about, Biden was NEVER the VP!”

  128. avtolle
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Ah, Pre, you must be referring to WMHB-FM, Waterville, ME, the radio station of Colby College. Truly the “college radio” experience, student DJs, only with some community members thrown in. Available on the internet at http://www.wmhb.org (and if you like jazz, there are two hours daily, 3 p.m. to 5 p.m.). Right now, “Jazz with Chaz” is on, hosted by a professor emeritus of English there.

    And, if you like a cappella, there is a program on Wednesday evenings (5 to 7 p.m.) “Unaccompanied Company” where the host plays (primarily) recordings made by college a cappella groups (such as the Yale Whiffenpoofs); really good stuff.

  129. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted September 11, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    “I know it is “stealing” but I have about 100 GB of Music that I have from Iraq with another 500GB of movies and TV shows.”
    ——–

    Yes, it is STEALING.

  130. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Ritchie Blackmore

    Wow, I ran across his website one day by accident, but didn’t really know who he was or “had been”. Blackmore’s Night now does Renaissance themed music featuring himself and Candice Night. When I was reading the story about “Smoke on the Water” (refreshing my memory), I was reminded that he’d been a member of Deep Purple back then.

  131. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    In Iraq they have a shared drive with over 1 TB of movies, music, and TV so that the soldiers can download stuff to pass time.

    Yes, it is STEALING.

    Then I’d say the government is complicit in it.

    I don’t mind. Other than tipping back a few and digging holes in the sand, there probably isn’t a whole lot to do. My son-in-law usually loads his bag up with DVDs when he’s deployed in the Middle East. It breaks the boredom.

  132. GMC70
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Sitting here, as I do paperwork, listening to Slacker. GREAT –

    You can type in your favorite artist (or two, or three, etc) and it will play music – by the artist you listed, and by others who are related or similar.

    Great way to discover music.

    Enjoy, all. There may be a time for a musical get-together. I understand several of you play (and I don’t want to hear about how badly!!); that creates an opportunity for a non-political get together.

    Think about it. Sharing music is always a good thing.

  133. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Predestined,

    I’d assume that the military has an agreement with the artists and studios re the music and videos they provide to on-duty soldiers.

    I doubt that agreement includes allowing soldiers to make copies for their personal use, long after their tour is over.

  134. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    #
    Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    In Iraq they have a shared drive with over 1 TB of movies, music, and TV so that the soldiers can download stuff to pass time.

    Yes, it is STEALING.

    Then I’d say the government is complicit in it.

    I don’t mind. Other than tipping back a few and digging holes in the sand, there probably isn’t a whole lot to do. My son-in-law usually loads his bag up with DVDs when he’s deployed in the Middle East. It breaks the boredom.
    ——————
    1 TB drive is not all that much, especially if it contains movies.

    In the first Gulf War, the Japanese bought all sorts of VCR’s, TV’s, radios, etc. (since they didn’t participate, they contributed) All that equipment went back via government channels was eventually sold through Defense supply networks to the public.

    Special services offices had stores opened up that sold state side goodies in a mobile environment (burger king, mcdonalds, etc.)

    Of course now, one sees Burger Kings almost on every large military base.

  135. beber
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    China may cut its currency reserves in Fannie May and Freddie Mac debt according to reports from the nation’s largest investment bank, China International Capital Corp. (CICC). Currently, China holds a fifth of its currency reserves in dollars in the two mortgage-finance companies. CICC’s chief economist, Ha Jiming remarked, “The crisis has made Chinese officials realize it’s a bad idea to put all their eggs in one basket. This will likely lead to greater diversification of foreign-exchange reserve investments.” Recent data from the U.S. Treasury have lead the CICC to believe China holds $447.5 billion of U.S. agency bonds.–posted by Steve Jefferson

    http://uschina.usc.edu/(A(HEAkxu5KyQEkAAAAYTA4MjU0NDItZjI2ZC00NGQ2LTlkYzEtNGZjZDc5OTlmYmE3SP66OunVdhGs5DFujlVQN9IgYvk1)S(lkq2312v2gpm11bynysg2f55))/DailyUpdates.aspx?Date=9/11/2008

  136. Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    From the Newsweek Website:

    It was a mainstay of Jim Crow segregation: for 100 years after the Civil War, Southern white Democrats kept eligible blacks from voting with poll taxes, literacy tests and property requirements. Starting in the 1960s, the U.S. Supreme Court declared these assaults on the heart of American democracy unconstitutional.

    Now, with the help of a 2008 Supreme Court decision, Crawford vs. Marion County (Indiana) Election Board, white Republicans in some areas will keep eligible blacks from voting by requiring driver’s licenses. Not only is this new-fangled discrimination constitutional, it’s spreading.

    GOP proponents of the move say they are merely trying to reduce voter fraud. But the incidence of individual vote fraud—voting when you aren’t eligible—is virtually non-existent, as “The Truth About Vote Fraud,” a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, clearly shows. In other words, the problem Republicans claim they want to combat with increased ID requirements doesn’t exist. Meanwhile, those ID hurdles facing individuals do nothing to stop the organized insiders who still try to game the system.

    The motive here is political, not racial. Republicans aren’t bigots like the Jim Crow segregationists. But they know that increased turnout in poor, black neighborhoods is good for Democrats. In that sense, the effort to suppress voting still amounts to the practical equivalent of racism.

    In Crawford, the court upheld an Indiana law essentially requiring a passport or driver’s license in order to vote. But more than two thirds of Indiana adults have no passports and nearly 15 percent have no driver’s licenses. These eligible voters, disproportionately African-American, will need to take a bus or catch a ride from a friend down to the motor vehicles bureau to make sure they obtain a nondriver photo ID. Otherwise, they cannot vote in Indiana this year.

    To get an idea of how many African-Americans nationwide lack driver’s licenses, recall Hurricane Katrina in 2005, when thousands were stranded without transportation. “Crawford Republicans” could make the old “Jim Crow Democrats” look like pikers when it comes to voter suppression.

    ******

    Republican ratf***ing elections, successful since 2000 . . .

  137. Regular
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Oh no!

    Requiring someone to be responsible and have photo ID!

    OMIGOSH!!!

  138. American
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    From ABC News blog:

    “I just want to say Go for it Sarah, everyone is scared when real change comes in front. She is the change with MCCain we need. EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS IS URGENT : whether you are a OBAMA supporter McCain supporter or other…Obama still has not proven his citizenship or birthplace or shown documents. Family in Kenya have said that he was born in Kenya. When his mother accepted citizenship in Indonesia by marrying her 2nd husband Barack also became a Indonesian citizen. He has to be a citizen to be enrolled in school. There is no evidence they took oath to become citizens of USA when moving back to the states. When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he went using a Indonesian Passport not a US passport, he was 20 years old. THIS IS NOT A SMEAR please check for your self. FRAUD charges have been filed by a prominent lawyer who supported the democratic party. Here is the Link http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/berg.pdfResearch this than make a educated decision. Andrea Independent…
    Posted by:
    andreadas1 8:05 PM”

    I do not know the validity of the above taken from Palin’s interview article on ABC News website.

  139. Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Sarah Palin thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.

  140. American
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Bad link above.

    http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/berg

  141. Boxlock
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting local perspective of Sarah Palin:

    The lodge is owned by Butch and Kathy Wildman. The Wildmans spend their winters in Texas and their summers in Alaska . Kathy’s father and former husband served in the Alaskan legislature for around 30 years so Butch and Kathy know Alaska politics.

    Eddie emailed Butch and asks Butch what the Wildmans think of Gov. Sarah Palin. Butch’s unedited email is attached below. Please read it and forward it to your friends. This is what the citizens of Alaska think of Sarah Palin!

    Fishing is good here at Wildman and I rarely have time for politics, but many of our friends are asking us ‘Who is Sarah Palin?’ Of course, as Alaskans, Kathy and I are extremely proud of her. We just want to let you know that Sarah ‘Barracuda’ Palin is a straight shooting, hard charging, get it done gal. She knows when to listen, how to analyze the facts and how to make a decision, then implement the plan. She doesn’t do a poll before jumping in with both feet like too many of the Washington types. She has little legislative experience because she has always held the EXECUTIVE position; in private life, as mayor of Anchorage ’s largest bedroom community or more recently as Governor of our State. She is a smart, attractive home grown Alaska girl with excellent moral and family values. She can see what needs to be done and does not hesitate to get it done.

    One of our State’s major problems is that its Capital is in Juneau , 500 miles from the nearest road and 800 air miles from the population base which is Anchorage , Wasilla and Fairbanks . Our legislature and most of the State government is in Juneau and they ALL behave like a bunch of freshmen in a college town. It has been this way since Statehood in 1959. When Sarah moved to Juneau , so did accountability and responsibility When the oil revenue started flowing and a barrel of North Slope Crude hit $23.00, these people began spending money like drunken sailors. You can only imagine what was happenings when oil hit $100.00 a barrel, about the time Sarah took command. My wife Kathy has first-hand experience with this fiasco, as her father and also her ex-husband were Alaska Legislators who served in Juneau as Senators, Senate President, or members of the State House for a combined period spanning nearly three decades.

    About the time Sarah took the HELM as Governor of Alaska, about half of the State legislature was in the pocket of big oil companies or contractors doing big projects for Native Corporations around Alaska, all funded by State oil revenue. Alaska government was nothing but a good old boys club riding the perpetual wave of prosperity. This filtered down from the legislature, through the Department of Natural Resources, Department of Labor and even spilled in to the Public Safety who are supposed to ‘preserve and protect’.

    When Sarah walked into the Governor’s Mansion, she promptly dismissed the State Trooper detachment as signed to Governor and had her and her husband’s gun case brought in from Wasilla. Then, she got rid of the former Governor’s STATE Jet and told legislators that there were no more free rides, they would have to fly Alaska Airlines, just like her and her family if they wanted to travel. Next came the nut cutting (the Barracuda part) the heads that rolled were too numerous to name, but when Sarah finished cleaning house, a number of our legislators ended up in jail for on corruption charges, or tendered their resignations along with numerous department heads and those who have been riding the gravy train for way too long, AND THEN SHE HAD LUNCH. By the end of the day, Sarah Palin had saved the people of Alaska millions and has not yet slowed down.

    She has truly brought CHANGE to Juneau . I personally know several persons in the private sector in Alaska , that hold her in high est eem. She surrounds herself with smart people, many from my hometown of Anchorage , she listens to them but makes her own decisions. Sarah Palin is a no B.S. politician. It is refreshing that there is such a thing anymore. You want to talk about CHANGE? You should see a before and after picture of the State government in Alaska . That’s CHANGE! Sarah will bring a number of things to the election. I am sure she will appeal many voters who may otherwise could have gone the other direction on election day. The conservative block will not be for Barack. We have their vote. We need what Sarah will bring, first to the election and second, what she will bring to Washington D.C. McCain has been advised well, Let’s just hope the American people can get the straight scoop on her in the weeks ahead.

    This is just the opinion of one Alaska Bush Pilot and Guide, who pays attention to national politics, watches the news and is deathly afraid of the direction our nation is headed. I guarantee that if Sarah gets a chance to dig her spurs into the flanks of the liberal Washington types, they will know that she is in the saddle.

    Butch King
    Pilot/Guide
    Butch & Kathy King

  142. swallow_my_nickel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    “November Rain”–Guns and Roses

  143. beber
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    It reads like the ad copy in a real estate brochure.

  144. swallow_my_nickel
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    yeah, GMC, I listen to slacker almost every night at work, unless I’m listening to the Playa Cofi jukebox…I’m usually in the 70’s, although I do listen to the 60’s and the 80’s a lot too…

    Here’s the links for both of them for anyone who is interested…
    http://www.slacker.com/
    http://www.tropicalglen.com/

  145. American_Way
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:26 pm | Permalink
    Sarah Palin thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.

    That’s what you post when you got nothing.

  146. American_Way
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 7:26 pm | Permalink
    Sarah Palin thinks the Flintstones is a documentary.

    That’s what you post when you got nothing.

  147. American
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Snopes says differently:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

  148. Boxlock
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    A woman from Los Angeles , who was a tree hugger and an anti-hunter, purchased a piece of timberland, near Grants Pass , OR . There was a large tree on one of the highest points in the tract. She wanted a good view of the natural splendor of her land so she started to climb the big tree. As she neared the top she encountered a spotted owl that attacked her. In her haste to escape, the woman slid down the tree to the ground and got many splinters in her crotch.

    In considerable pain, she hurried to the nearest doctor. She told him she was an environmentalist and an anti-hunter and how she came to get all the splinters. The doctor listened to her story with great patience and then told her to go into the examining room and he would see if he could help her. She sat and waited three hours before the doctor reappeared. The angry woman demanded, ‘What took you so long?’

    He smiled and then told her, ‘Well, I had to get permits from the
    Environmental Protection Agency, the Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land Management before I could remove old-growth timber from a recreational area. I’m sorry, but they turned me down.’

  149. Predestined
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    I could post statements from citizens of Alaska who say the opposite about Sarah Palin. What do either prove other than some like her and some don’t. Please, tell me something new.

  150. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Save This Link Fast!

    The Eagle deleted it 3 times today!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

    Message to Obama from an Iraq War Vet.

    Please don’t silence his voice again!

  151. Boxlock
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Predestined Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:14 pm |
    “I could post statements from citizens of Alaska who say the opposite about Sarah Palin. What do either prove other than some like her and some don’t. Please, tell me something new.”

    Then do it or shut the heck up.
    She has an 80+% approval rating in spite of of being so active in cleaning up Alaska politics.

    “Please, tell me something new”

    Okay….go get a brain, you really need one that functions.

  152. American_Way
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    If it goes, so goes the press:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

  153. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    That video is only 1:55.

    Highly recommend it. I almost never post links to videos.

    This one is worth it. And you need to watch it to the end, when he walks away.

  154. American_Way
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    “when he walks away.”

    Hey Max, is that a gun he has bulging in his left shorts pocket? You suppose he has a permit to carry that thing?

  155. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t notice the gun, but there was something shiny there.

    Can you believe the Eagle deleted my post with that link?

    They can’t handle the truth.

  156. American_Way
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    “Can you believe the Eagle deleted my post with that link?”

    I’m not surprised. There are no moral or ethical limits to get their man elected.

  157. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    No moral or ethical limits? Of course not!

    The Libs are all about taking more from the rich, stealing.

    Pure and simple.

  158. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    The Libs don’t understand that a Free Healthcare system for those making less then $50,000/yr is paid for by those making over $50,000/yr, and that such a system is a wealth redistribution system.

    If I pay for your healthcare JR, then you are taking my property from me and stealing it for yourself.

    Or they do see, and don’t care. Why? Cause they have no ethical or moral standards.

    Their only standard is:

    G I M M E !!!!!

  159. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    And when you take someone’s property from them, you are taking away their Freedom. Wealth redistribution is taking away Freedom.

    The two basic fundamental Freedoms are the right to defend your life, and to be secure in your own property.

    But you Libs don’t care about Freedom.

    You will sacrifice your Freedom to get something for nothing. Anything to avoid W O R K.

    G I M M E !!!!!!

  160. Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    “If I pay for your healthcare JR, then you are taking my property from me and stealing it for yourself.”

    I am enjoying watching you melt down Hank.

    I have not posted this thread since early this morning. And then I did not mention health care.

  161. Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Max, your link was shutting down the WEBlog site, from YouTube… dont kinow what is wrong… probbly why Eagle took it out…

  162. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink
    Max, your link was shutting down the WEBlog site, from YouTube… dont kinow what is wrong… probbly why Eagle took it out…
    ——————————————————————

    Oh Chas, you are a WE Blog editor. I forgot about that.

    Thanks for the update.

    Glad to hear it was some technical difficulty and that the WE Blog wasn’t trying to silence a 2 minute message from an American Veteran of the Iraq war.

  163. Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    I cant get any links to work on here at this time… must be a techno glitch in their system…

  164. Posted September 11, 2008 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    I read on a different Blog, that the Iraq Veteran speech is fake… bogus… maybe it needs checking on Snopes.com???

  165. Nathaniel
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    Are you still on your nicswitch paranoia?

  166. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” –

    Are you still on your concealed-carry paranoia?

  167. Nathaniel
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Only for as long as there are evil people in this world that would do you, myself, or others harm.

  168. Predestined
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Then do it or shut the heck up.
    She has an 80+% approval rating in spite of of being so active in cleaning up Alaska politics.

    “Please, tell me something new”

    Okay….go get a brain, you really need one that functions.

    A little touchy, aren’t you?

  169. Posted September 12, 2008 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    Good night; good luck; God bless —-
    Whatver you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    So mote it be!!

  170. Freebird1971
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    Hey, bj,
    On open thread Ichallange you to go for 72 hurs without posting on this blog. No twisting or spinning(like that will happen) all you have to do is simply accept or decline the challange.

  171. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Jeez, “Freebird1971″ –

    All we expect from you is one day at a time.

    “72 hurs?”

  172. Freebird1971
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    My bad,24 hours then.

  173. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 12, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    JR will simply switch nics, like he always does.

    Right Hank?

    Right American Way?