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Happy Labor Day to all. Hope you enjoy it.
The Crowson’s cartoon today is just an insult rather than a clever commentary.
http://www.kansas.com/599/image_media/511739.html
The Mayor of Mulberry is just as qualified as a sitting state governor? Would the same cartoon have been published if our own governor was selected as a VP candidate? Of course not, she’s a Democrat.
Take a quick comparison of Alaska verses Kansas. Kansas does have roughly four times the population of Alaska. However, in the national population Kansas has 0.91% verses Alaska at 0.22%. Neither state has anything to gloat over on size.
Pot meet kettle. Or in this case, meet the deep thoughts of the progressive left-wingers.
That’s because Crowson is a Liberal. Although, I remember one time in an article by the Wichita Eagle, there was a claim he wasn’t – the vast majority of his cartoons have a Liberal slant.
With that said, I do enjoy his cartoons and his provocative style. :)
“ProudMan” whines –
“The Crowson’s cartoon today is just an insult….”
And all this time I thought it was us Liberals who were supposed to be humorless.
“Monkeyhawk” adds more deep thoughts of a progressive.
Sad.
Former DNC CHIEF: GUSTAV IS A SIGN FROM GOD COMMENT
Fox News
“A former Democratic National Committee chairman apologized Sunday for remarks he made a day earlier that suggested he thought Hurricane Gustav demonstrated that God is on the Democrats’ side in this year’s presidential election.
Don Fowler, who was DNC chairman from 1995-1996, said he was just mimicking Rev. Jerry Falwell when he was caught on tape during a flight from Denver to North Carolina Friday.
“That just demonstrates that God is on our side,” Fowler said during the flight, of which a video was posted on YouTube under the headline: “Fowler Fouls: Hurricane is God’s Favor To Democrats.”
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Also, Michael Moore made a similar comment.
“I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,” Moore told MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann. “To just have it planned at the same time, that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for Day One of the Republican convention, up in the Twin Cities, at the top of the Mississippi River.”
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Which only proves that Democrats don’t care if their is human suffering or death just so they can score political points. This is much in evidence when Libs use death tallies in Iraq and Afghanistan in their ghoulish effort to make political hay.
Humor has a liberal slant.
Clearly, human misery and economic devastaion are nothing to take advantage of – are you listening, Sen. McCain? Or are you going to arrange a photo-op on the Guilf Coast?
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink
Which only proves that Democrats don’t care if their is human suffering or death just so they can score political points. This is much in evidence when Libs use death tallies in Iraq and Afghanistan in their ghoulish effort to make political hay.
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Two idiots make a bad joke and all Democrats are ghoulish? Only in Wangoville can logic like that exist. You prove once again being the blog a**hole is reserved for you alone.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all seeing as how he said he might give his acceptance speech from the Gulf Coast.
I predict the Republicans and the Democrats will do a fine job of supporting the victims this time, but their efforts will be spoiled by a parade of mealy-mouthed commentators.
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink
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Two idiots make a bad joke and all Democrats are ghoulish? Only in Wangoville can logic like that exist. You prove once again being the blog a**hole is reserved for you alone.
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Nope.
It’s a legitimate observation. Democrats and Libs on this blog, including yourself, have used body counts to score political points.
Denying that you and others scavenge with ghoulish glee on the suffering of others, including deaths, is just a lie.
This practice is done on this blog and every Democratic News organization and blog site.
Even Obama stated that U.S. military deliberately bomb children.
If John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) speaks from the gulf coast a day or so after the storm hits, he’ll recreate that Potemkin Speech George WMD Bush gave from Jackson Square after Katrina.
“Regular” –
Sending 4,500 American fighting men and women to die in the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong country is a legitimate political issue.
Not adequately caring for tens of thousands of war-damaged American veterans when they they come back is a legitimate political issue.
There’s blood on your hands.
Pardon my “ghoulishness” for pointing that out.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:41 am | Permalink
“Regular” –
Sending 4,500 American fighting men and women to die in the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong country is a legitimate political issue.
Not adequately caring for tens of thousands of war-damaged American veterans when they they come back is a legitimate political issue.
There’s blood on your hands.
Pardon my “ghoulishness” for pointing that out.
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Why do you hate Arabs?
Are you just one of the Libs who scream about prejudice then don’t practice what you preach?
Would it have helped, if Iraq as filled with “lily white-skinned people with blue eyes?”
For me it has nothing to do with hating anything but the fact that 4,500 Americans are dead for no good reason other than a president’s ego,which is no reason at all
Palin embroiled in Alaska firing probe
For the past several years, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential candidate, has been embroiled in a bitter family feud that has drawn in the state police, the attorney general, the governor’s office and the state Legislature.
A bipartisan state legislative panel has appointed a special prosecutor to investigate whether Palin improperly brought the family fight into the governor’s office. The investigation is focusing on whether she and her aides pressured and ultimately fired the public safety commissioner, Walter Monegan, for not removing Palin’s ex-brother-in-law from the state police force.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MN0Q12LQD1.DTL
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Nothing like using your political clout to carry out a personal vendetta.
Might know the repugs would pick a candidate for vp that’s under investigation. How “republican”.
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Freebird1971
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:50 am | Permalink
For me it has nothing to do with hating anything but the fact that 4,500 Americans are dead for no good reason other than a president’s ego,which is no reason at all
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Then blame Senator Joe Biden as well. He voted for prosecuting the war and was one of the most vocal advocates in doing so.
President Bush didn’t do this on his own, he had to get the assistance of Congress, which he did.
Your comment is simple minded and obviously blind to the truth.
“Regular” –
I think I speak for most of us on this forum when I say, “Huh?”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=60020
LOL I received a e-mail that contained a hit piece from a Dr. Jack Wheeler on Obama. I had not heard of him so I did a search. Like the author of Obama Nation. This guy is at least a equal opportunity hitter. Both have done hit pieces on Obama and McCain.
Wheeler sighted McCain for being unstable and a collaborator with the Communist while a POW.
I was thoughtful enough to send the piece about McCain back to the senders of the e-mail about Obama. I wonder if they will forward that one like they forward the one about Obama?
How the Clintons will undo McCain
Posted: February 04, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
By Jack Wheeler
© 2008
The number of fellow senators who think John McCain is psychologically unstable is large. Some will admit it publicly, like Thad Cochran who says, “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”
Others relate times when McCain screamed four-letter obscenities right in their faces in the Senate cloak room, like Dick Shelby, Rick Santorum or Jim Inhofe. “The man is unhinged,” one senator told me. “He is frighteningly unfit to be commander-in-chief.”
That John McCain is clinically nuts is scary enough. What worries a small group of GOP senators and congressmen even more is a deep and dark skeletal secret in McCain’s glorified past to which they are privy, and which the Clintons will use to blackmail him.
They have been having discussions with a Russian whom we’ll call “T” for translator. T’s father was the Soviet military intelligence officer who ran the “Hanoi Hilton” prison holding captured Americans during the Vietnam War. One of those prisoners was John McCain.
The GRU – Glavnoje Razvedyvatel’noje Upravlenije or main intelligence directorate of the Soviet (now Russian) Armed Forces – operated the entire North Vietnamese prison system holding American prisoners of war. GRU officers, all of whom were Russians, oversaw the interrogation of every American POW.
The interrogations themselves were conducted by Vietnamese who spoke some English. After each interrogation session, which could often include torturing the prisoners at the direction of the GRU officers, the Vietnamese interrogator would write a report of the session – in Vietnamese.
These reports had to be translated into Russian. T, a bright teenager living in the GRU compound in Hanoi, had become fluent in Vietnamese, and ended up translating many of the reports and interrogators’ notes.
John McCain, flying his A-4 Skyhawk, was shot down over Hanoi on Oct. 26, 1967. Badly injured from the ejection, he was beaten and abused by his captors. In July, 1968, his father, U.S. Navy Adm. J. S. McCain, was made CINCPAC, commander in chief, Pacific Command, commander of all U.S. military forces in the Vietnam theatre. Upon learning this, the Vietnamese offered – according to McCain – to release him.
McCain claims he refused, because he demanded all American POWs captured before him be released as well. He thus remained a prisoner when he could have gone home, and was subjected to constant brutal beatings and torture for years: that is the source of the “war-hero” saga making McCain a greater war-hero than any other American POW.
Yet the offer of release would had to have been approved by the GRU overseers of the North Vietnamese – and T does not recall any such offer being made. T admits, however, that this took place before McCain was transferred to Hoa Loa prison, nicknamed the “Hanoi Hilton” by the POWs. T had only direct knowledge of what happened at Hoa Loa, and not the other prisons, where T’s father was in charge.
McCain was kept at the Hanoi Hilton from December 1969 until his release, along with all the remaining POWs, in March 1973. During this time, T translated all the Vietnamese interrogators’ notes and reports regarding John McCain.
According to T, they reveal that McCain had made an “accommodation” with his captors, and in exchange, T’s father saw that he was provided with an apartment in Hanoi and the services of two prostitutes. Upon returning to his prison cell, he would say he had been held in solitary confinement. That may be why so many of his fellow prisoners said later they saw so little of him at Hoa Loa.
The notes and reports written in Vietnamese were sent to Moscow, where T was a now a college student, for T’s translation into Russian, then placed into GRU archives. That’s where they stayed until 1991. Late that year, as the Soviet Union was collapsing, the CIA and the GRU made a deal for a document swap.
All of what it involved, T doesn’t know. What T’s father, by now retired but still with substantial contacts within the GRU, did learn (and thus T learned) was that the swap included all of T’s translations.
In other words, the CIA has in its possession the notes and reports of John McCain’s interrogators at the Hanoi Hilton, in both the original Vietnamese and translated Russian, showing collaboration with his Communist captors.
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XXX
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:51 am | Permalink
Palin embroiled in Alaska firing probe
For the past several years, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential candidate, has been embroiled in a bitter family feud that has drawn in the state police, the attorney general, the governor’s office and the state Legislature.
A bipartisan state legislative panel has appointed a special prosecutor to investigate whether Palin improperly brought the family fight into the governor’s office. The investigation is focusing on whether she and her aides pressured and ultimately fired the public safety commissioner, Walter Monegan, for not removing Palin’s ex-brother-in-law from the state police force.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MN0Q12LQD1.DTL
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Nothing like using your political clout to carry out a personal vendetta.
Might know the repugs would pick a candidate for vp that’s under investigation. How “republican”.
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Or perhaps the Public Safety Commissioner had not completed the goals set forth to him by the legislature, just as Palin stated in her lengthy press conferences.
Palin even offered the Public Safety Commissioner a job with equal pay (Alcohol Commission).
Good morning Wichita!
Headed to the beach shortly, but while waiting on a (work) server to come up I found this on WaPo’s website.
Seems Gov. Palin is a lot, and I do mean a LOT, like George W Bush, aka Augustus Stupidus, aka Commander Codpiece, when it comes to her governing style!
:D
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Washington, D.C.: Why don’t reporters and legislators have a high opinion of the governor?
Gregg Erickson: It is clear that she has not paid much attention to the nitty-gritty unglamorous work of government, of gaining consensus, and making difficult compromises. She seems to be of the view that politics should be all rather simple. That often appeals to the wider public, but frustrates those who see themselves as laboring in the less glamorous parts of the vineyard.
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Arlington, Va.: Do you think Hillary supporters will vote for McCain now just because there’s a woman on the ticket — even though she’s about as opposite as Hillary as a candidate could be?
Gregg Erickson: As I replied to another question, the only way I can figure that it makes sense is that McCain believes his campaign is in big trouble, and hopes this very unconventional choice will give his candidacy much needed appeal women voters and those from the religious right who have been not quite comfortable with his credentials as a social conservative.
Appealing to Hillary supporters by choosing someone opposed to any abortion, rights seems odd to me.
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Washington, D.C.;: You wrote: “If you took a poll of reporters and legislators I expect her approval rating would be down in the teens or twenties.” What do they know about her that the general population does not?
Gregg Erickson: One example: The Republican chair of the Alaska State House Finance budget subcommittee on Heath and Medicaid says he can’t find anyone in Palin’s executive office who cares about helping bring that budget under control. He is furious with her about that.
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YIKES!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/08/29/DI2008082902052.html
He is CINC isn’t he? The ultimate decision to go to war was his no matter who voted for it or against.
Hey Dog,
let’s break your shoulders and give you other injuries, have you beaten and kicked by the local villagers, give you know pain medication and then lock you up in a cell for five years occasionally dragging you out tying your up in a most uncomfortable position for 48 hour stretches.
Then you can supplement your diet with semi-rotten fish and dried rice.
Let’s see how you fare in such a situation Dog.
give you know pain medication
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give you no pain medication
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Freebird1971
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink
He is CINC isn’t he? The ultimate decision to go to war was his no matter who voted for it or against.
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He still has to be funded and that takes voting measures in Congress, both houses, now doesn’t it?
“Regular” plays the POW card –
“…give you know pain medication…”
But… but… under the Cheny/Bush “enhanced interrogation guidlines” John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) was never tortured at all.
Sure sounds like you’re posting under “medication” this morning.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:05 am | Permalink
“Regular” plays the POW card –
“…give you know pain medication…”
But… but… under the Cheny/Bush “enhanced interrogation guidlines” John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) was never tortured at all.
Sure sounds like you’re posting under “medication” this morning.
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Actually, I don’t take pain medication other than Tylenol.
And yes, I’m am tired because I had back spasms and pain that kept me up most of the night last night.
Not that you or any of you Libs would give a shit.
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:00 am | Permalink
Hey Dog,
let’s break your shoulders and give you other injuries, have you beaten and kicked by the local villagers, give you know pain medication and then lock you up in a cell for five years occasionally dragging you out tying your up in a most uncomfortable position for 48 hour stretches.
Then you can supplement your diet with semi-rotten fish and dried rice.
Let’s see how you fare in such a situation Dog.
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That hardly makes McCain eligible for the Presidency.
From one imprisoned with McCain:
1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW’s for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.
I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859,00.html
MWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:00 am | Permalink
Hey Dog,
let’s break your shoulders and give you other injuries, have you beaten and kicked by the local villagers, give you know pain medication and then lock you up in a cell for five years occasionally dragging you out tying your up in a most uncomfortable position for 48 hour stretches.
Then you can supplement your diet with semi-rotten fish and dried rice.
Let’s see how you fare in such a situation Dog.
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That hardly makes McCain eligible for the Presidency.
From one imprisoned with McCain:
1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW’s for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.
I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859,00.html
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McCain’s POW experience doesn’t disqualify him from being President either.
Shall we start on your Vietnam service Walker?
Why did you kill babies and rape women in Vietnam?
What do you mean that accusation is not true?
How does it feel to be falsely accused?
Actually, reg, dog was posting a hit piece by some moron named wheeler. Dog did not write it, and said it was a hit piece and bs.
If you’re going to be the blog a**hole, at least learn to read.
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink
Actually, reg, dog was posting a hit piece by some moron named wheeler. Dog did not write it, and said it was a hit piece and bs.
If you’re going to be the blog a**hole, at least learn to read.
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So, what is the excuse for posting your piece on McCain?
Because you are a blog asshole?
McCain’s POW experience doesn’t disqualify him from being President either.
Shall we start on your Vietnam service Walker?
Why did you kill babies and rape women in Vietnam?
What do you mean that accusation is not true?
How does it feel to be falsely accused?
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Accused by you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Actually I was a father raper and mother stabber. The kids I bbqed.
Just how low, as the blog a**hole, do you intend to sink
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink
McCain’s POW experience doesn’t disqualify him from being President either.
Shall we start on your Vietnam service Walker?
Why did you kill babies and rape women in Vietnam?
What do you mean that accusation is not true?
How does it feel to be falsely accused?
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Accused by you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Actually I was a father raper and mother stabber. The kids I bbqed.
Just how low, as the blog a**hole, do you intend to sink
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I dunno, how long do you intend to sink?
Let’s torture you for two years straight and see how you react.
My estimate, from your whining on this blog, you would have broken down and cried like a little girl, the moment the N.Vietnamese laid their hands on you.
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink
Actually, reg, dog was posting a hit piece by some moron named wheeler. Dog did not write it, and said it was a hit piece and bs.
If you’re going to be the blog a**hole, at least learn to read.
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So, what is the excuse for posting your piece on McCain?
Because you are a blog asshole?
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“Because you are a blog asshole?” No, that would be your domain.
As for my posting, if you read it, you will find it is not a hit piece, but an observation by one of his fellow prisoners. He praises McCain for his strength during captivity. He just doesn’t think he’s qualified to be prez, and states his reasons.
Again, learn to read.
I see that the Little Admiral plans to make his acceptance speech from somewhere down on the Gulf Coast, where word has it that he personally will be directing hurricane relief efforts.
The Little Admiral really DOES have good reason to be down there, though: He brings all that hard-won hurricane expertise from serving 22 years as the Senator from…Arizona.
“Monegan was fired two weeks ago at Gov. Sarah Palin’s direction by her chief of staff. The firing was unexpected and unexplained and gave rise to accusations that it was retaliation by the Palin family for Monegan’s refusal to fire an Alaska state trooper formerly married to Palin’s sister and currently embroiled in an ugly custody fight with her.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/45779.html
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Looks like a revenge firing to me.
“The firing was unexpected and unexplained”
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink
Actually, reg, dog was posting a hit piece by some moron named wheeler. Dog did not write it, and said it was a hit piece and bs.
If you’re going to be the blog a**hole, at least learn to read.
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So, what is the excuse for posting your piece on McCain?
Because you are a blog asshole?
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“Because you are a blog asshole?” No, that would be your domain.
As for my posting, if you read it, you will find it is not a hit piece, but an observation by one of his fellow prisoners. He praises McCain for his strength during captivity. He just doesn’t think he’s qualified to be prez, and states his reasons.
Again, learn to read.
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Lies.
Your motive to post it wasn’t to be noble or observation, but mean spirited and be one of the blog assholes – which btw you were, long before anyone else.
Your motives are transparent and shallow, an indication of your character.
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink
McCain’s POW experience doesn’t disqualify him from being President either.
Shall we start on your Vietnam service Walker?
Why did you kill babies and rape women in Vietnam?
What do you mean that accusation is not true?
How does it feel to be falsely accused?
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Accused by you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Actually I was a father raper and mother stabber. The kids I bbqed.
Just how low, as the blog a**hole, do you intend to sink
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I dunno, how long do you intend to sink?
Let’s torture you for two years straight and see how you react.
My estimate, from your whining on this blog, you would have broken down and cried like a little girl, the moment the N.Vietnamese laid their hands on you.
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Actually, I float rather well: I was a lifeguard in Venice California.
And after reading your posts for almost that long, depending on who you were at the time, I do consider myself tortured. Ain’t broken down or cried yet.
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XXX
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink
“Monegan was fired two weeks ago at Gov. Sarah Palin’s direction by her chief of staff. The firing was unexpected and unexplained and gave rise to accusations that it was retaliation by the Palin family for Monegan’s refusal to fire an Alaska state trooper formerly married to Palin’s sister and currently embroiled in an ugly custody fight with her.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/45779.html
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Looks like a revenge firing to me.
“The firing was unexpected and unexplained”
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You need to do more research. All of this was explained in detail by Palin, which is not being published by the MSM and goofball Websites.
Of course, keep on believing in conspiracy and rumor, if it keeps you warm at night.
Or, you can actually join the adult world and seek the truth and facts.
Lies.
Your motive to post it wasn’t to be noble or observation, but mean spirited and be one of the blog assholes – which btw you were, long before anyone else.
Your motives are transparent and shallow, an indication of your character.
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Wango linear logic at its finest, brought to you by TBA.
“Regular” shares –
“… I had back spasms and pain that kept me up most of the night last night.
Not that you or any of you Libs would give a shit.”
I give a shit, “Regular.”
I give you more shit than you can handle, as a matter of fact.
If your pain is due to service-related injuries I think the Veterans Administration should finance your recovery and rehabilitation and whatever therapies that might rid you of the pain that tortures you.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) voted against increasing such benefits for our brave war veterans.
You tend to play your war (or was it non-war; I lost track of the various versions) injuries the same way McC*nt plays the POW Card. When ya got nothin’ else, you get back pains and beg forgiveness for your idiocy.
I give a shit about you and your fellow injured veterans, although the more I know you specifically, a shit is about all I’m eager to give you.
;^)
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink
Actually, I float rather well: I was a lifeguard in Venice California.
And after reading your posts for almost that long, depending on who you were at the time, I do consider myself tortured. Ain’t broken down or cried yet.
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Big deal. Half of the males (including myself) and about twenty percent of my High School Class were Water Safety Instructor qualified and rated to be lifeguards by examination and testing.
I doubt if you could cope as a POW. You whine way too much on this blog and that indicates a weak character.
“…Bush advisers later said McCain was not to blame for the mix-up, but they were not so forgiving of what happened the next month in New Orleans. Bush brought the president of Mexico and prime minister of Canada to New Orleans in April for a meeting. Hurricane Katrina is such a black mark on Bush’s record that he hoped to demonstrate how much he has done to rebuild what was lost. But just two days after Bush left town, McCain flew in to visit the Lower Ninth Ward, the hardest-hit section of New Orleans, and condemned the administration’s response to the hurricane as “disgraceful.” White House officials recognize that any candidate must promise to do better after Katrina, but they seethed at both the timing and the tone of McCain’s remarks. McCain aides tried to soothe the Bush team by telling them that the word “disgraceful” was not in the prepared text but came out spontaneously.
[ :lol: ] [ahem]
The grievances nursed by both sides have only grown from there. Not only was Bush kept under wraps at the Phoenix fund-raiser, it also came just hours after McCain gave a speech separating himself from the president’s nuclear-arms-control policies. For its part, the McCain team was aggravated that Bush’s address to Israeli lawmakers in May condemning appeasement of America’s enemies, a comment interpreted as a slap at Obama, stepped on their candidate’s speech the same day envisioning what a first McCain term would look like. The campaign was equally perturbed when McCain called for lifting restrictions on offshore drilling only to have Bush agree the next day, giving Democrats an opening to trash the senator as a Bush replica. Later that same week, Bush and McCain separately went to Iowa to inspect flood damage just 30 miles apart, each effectively distracting from the other’s effort to show compassion.
The crossed connections have left some political veterans scratching their heads. “I don’t think they’ve quite figured out how to do this,” John Weaver, the former McCain strategist, told me. “If they’re going to distance themselves from the president, they need to either do it or not do it.” …
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/magazine/31bush-t.html?pagewanted=6&ref=magazine
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As so many of us predicted:
George W Bush = Big Friggin GOP Albatross in 2008
As so many of us predicted:
George W Bush = Big Friggin GOP Albatross in 2008
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Bush is not running for office.
You ignorant Libs need to wake up to this fact or you will get blown out of the water in this election.
“After Palin fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan on July 11, she replaced him with an appointee, Chuck Kopp, who was nearly as awful as John McCain’s pick as his running mate. And two weeks late he resigned too! Why? Apparently an unvetted 2005 sexual harassment complaint!”
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink
As so many of us predicted:
George W Bush = Big Friggin GOP Albatross in 2008
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Bush is not running for office.
You ignorant Libs need to wake up to this fact or you will get blown out of the water in this election.
John McCain votes agreed with the Bush policies over 90 percent of the time. McCain=Bush.
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink
As so many of us predicted:
George W Bush = Big Friggin GOP Albatross in 2008
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Bush is not running for office.
You ignorant Libs need to wake up to this fact or you will get blown out of the water in this election.
John McCain votes agreed with the Bush policies over 90 percent of the time. McCain=Bush.
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One can make statistics say anything.
Obama voted with his fellow Democrats 98 percent of the time.
As a Senator, on all votes Obama voted with McCain, 78 percent of the time in agreement.
So, is Obama an appeaser to Bush as well?
Not all votes in the Senate on along party lines.
The statistics all you Libs keep quoting are quite laughable and show your naivety.
“I see that the Little Admiral plans to make his acceptance speech from somewhere down on the Gulf Coast, where word has it that he personally will be directing hurricane relief efforts.” — cf2k
W-a-a-a-A-A-A-a-a-y-y-y too eager for a disaster to exploit; meanwhile, Obama is activating his network to solicit donations for victims.
“Bush is not running for office.”
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A Republican involved in keeping the two camps working in tandem said that coordination had improved, but, he added, Bush’s liabilities cannot be ignored. “It’s almost never a good thing to put them together,” he told me. Asked if there was a risk of looking too eager to keep Bush in the closet, the strategist said, “I don’t want to be unkind here, but when you’re at 29 percent, I think the answer is probably no.”
:lol:
“Following her two terms as mayor of Wasilla, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for the Republican lieutenant governor nomination in 2002.
Then, as chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, she fell into a public spat with fellow commissioner Randy Ruedrich, the state’s GOP chairman.
In 2003, she reported Ruedrich to Gov. Frank Murkowski’s administration, saying she suspected him of an ethics breach in conducting work for the state GOP on government time.
To obtain evidence of Ruedrich’s alleged malfeasance, Palin hacked into his computer, an ethical lapse in its own right. She resigned from the commission in January 2004.
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No wonder the repukes like her so much.
She’s a total bitch.
Looking at approval ratings McCain votes with a President with a 33% approval rating (current Gallup).
Obama votes with a Congress with a 14% approval rating (current Gallup).
Could be interesting…..
Is there any McCain supporter here willing to defend GW Bush?
Anyone?!?
:twisted:
jm whines..:
“Two idiots make a bad joke and all Democrats are ghoulish?”
That is the exact same thing that happens when that idiot Rush says something and JM and capn and the other extremists use that to castigate ALL Republicans.
And this is what passes for “logic” and “discussion” on this blog.
Sad.
Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink
Is there any McCain supporter here willing to defend GW Bush?
Anyone?!?
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Sure. I’ll step up.
I’m not a cheese eating surrender monkey like yourself and believe in ’sticking by your guns’ and flip flopping politically when times get tough.
and not flip flopping…
no sleep.. bad sentence structure…
beber, that’s the the G.O.P, photo op. Obama sets the wheels in motion for some real relief. Compationate cons. my ass. Thats real change. Obama brings change you can believe in.
and, jm…it wasn’t just a rank and file Democrat, but a former DNC member..speaks well for the Dems, doesn’t it?
Real relief from what?
Looks to be alot of rain and some wind gusts of 40 mph.
Liberal guilt and media induced frenzy that have done nothing but waste time, money and resources.
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink
beber, that’s the the G.O.P, photo op. Obama sets the wheels in motion for some real relief. Compationate cons. my ass. Thats real change. Obama brings change you can believe in.
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Yes, we all know about the email campaign Obama is doing.
Lots of luck with that.
Makes for good press, however, the effectiveness of it remains to be seen.
The real heroes are already in place, volunteers ready to be in there after the storm, providing shelter and food. These are the conservative churches and groups that are the stalwarts of disaster relief.
These conservative groups are not the “hey look at me I’m great – I gave a dollar” attention whores like the Libs.
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink
Actually, I float rather well: I was a lifeguard in Venice California.
And after reading your posts for almost that long, depending on who you were at the time, I do consider myself tortured. Ain’t broken down or cried yet.
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Big deal. Half of the males (including myself) and about twenty percent of my High School Class were Water Safety Instructor qualified and rated to be lifeguards by examination and testing.
I doubt if you could cope as a POW. You whine way too much on this blog and that indicates a weak character.
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Fact is, a**hole, I wasn’t a POW, so we’ll never know, will we. But the same goes for you; I would expect the same result from yourself as you expect from me.
And the difference between you and me, other than I actually have an IQ, is I admit I’m a full blown a**hole; you, on the other hand, only think you’re not.
Oh, and my comment about floating was in response to your, “I dunno, how long do you intend to sink?”
I suspect you meant low, not long, but being as you have no IQ, I’ll let it slide:-)
Maybe XXX. Who knows what is true and what is not? It makes it difficult to take any allegation from the left seriously when they begin with a ridiculous, low rent attack on Palin’s 16 year old daughter.
“These conservative groups are not the “hey look at me I’m great – I gave a dollar” attention whores like the Libs.”
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Back that one, bozo.
JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink
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Fact is, a**hole, I wasn’t a POW, so we’ll never know, will we. But the same goes for you; I would expect the same result from yourself as you expect from me.
And the difference between you and me, other than I actually have an IQ, is I admit I’m a full blown a**hole; you, on the other hand, only think you’re not.
Oh, and my comment about floating was in response to your, “I dunno, how long do you intend to sink?”
I suspect you meant low, not long, but being as you have no IQ, I’ll let it slide:-)
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You were in the 1 percent percentile on National Merit test like myself? Well, I’m impressed Walker.
You graduated with 3.97 (out of 4.00) from college like myself Walker? I’m doubly impressed.
You’re the one that always attacks me first Walker, I usually leave you alone to your comments.
Just own up to what you are, an excuse making whiner and life will be okay once you admit what you are.
So just what is it about Bush that appeals to a McCain supporter?
Is it McCain’s utter lack of economic chops (he supports Bush’s Medicare Part D, runaway govt spending overall, bridge to nowhere, runaway growth in Fed government, lost jobs under fiscal policies)?
Is it Abu Graib? Gitmo? Torture for American POWs?
Is it the pissing away of traditional allies?
Just what is it about McCain that is so in line with GW Bush?
Yes, we all know about the email campaign Obama is doing.
Lots of luck with that.
Makes for good press, however, the effectiveness of it remains to be seen
More effective than, say, a photo op.
Given that the Alaska governorship took less than 18 months to bring out Sarah Palin’s lack of personal and managerial integrity, the contrast with Barack Obama’s mangerial experience is instructive. There’s an interesting piece on the CBS mobile site (can’t link to it because I’m on the Blackberry) by Hilzoy which gives an overview of Obama’s campaign. It employs 500 people and has a budget of $100 million. Architecturally, Obama managed to combine a team of insiders and insurgents, and to keep his inner circle together and focused on the candidate. Those who expected his campaign to be like “a small jazz combo” have, instead, been treated to “a symphony.”
The most astonishing tidbit in the article is a wistful quote from Republican operative Frank Luntz. Of the Obama campaign, he says “I spent my life waiting for this candidate, and when he showed up he turned out to be a Democrat.”
Sarah Palin is a small town beauty queen on a vendetta, who, every day, shows herself less and less fit for the office she currently holds, much less to be ready for the Presidency on day one. Every day of the Obama campaign, by contrast, testifies to a candidate who is more than up to the task of being President.
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink
“These conservative groups are not the “hey look at me I’m great – I gave a dollar” attention whores like the Libs.”
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Back that one, bozo.
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Don’t have to, there is a two hundred year history in the U.S. of conservative groups and churches coming to assist in times of disaster.
If you’re supporter of both Bush and McCain, then surely you believe McCain will in fact be a third Bush term, right?
Or at the least you HOPE that
McCain’s first term = Bush’s third term
Right?
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Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink
If you’re supporter of both Bush and McCain, then surely you believe McCain will in fact be a third Bush term, right?
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Only idiot Libs make such statements.
Glad you are conforming to to the “idiot Lib” mold so perfectly.
:lol:
Translation: YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!!!
So, we’ve established that at least for one poster here, Regular, McCain = Bush.
Anybody else?
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Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink
So, we’ve established that at least for one poster here, Regular, McCain = Bush.
Anybody else?
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No, you made a false statement. You haven’t established anything, other than you’re an idiot Lib that believes his own lies.
Regular as someone else pointed out my intent was not to put down McCain. I would willingly excuse McCain if after what he went through as a POW he had appeared with Jane Fonda on V.C. TV in a dress sing the National anthem of North Vietnam.
I am pointing out what is the plain tactic that is meant to confuse and misinform the public and voters. It is simple-minded dribble and often without facts and provable sources. I would not have been surprised to see the same crap that was sent to me about Obama being posted by Paul. Likewise this bit about McCain is depending on un-named Senators and a hard to trace son of a theoretical Russian whom was an interrogator of American POW in North Vietnam. And sadly there are some whom will without even doing what I did and seeing if in deed there was even someone writing the crap named Dr. Jack Wheeler. I am sure that Wheeler wrote it during the period when the right was trying to submarine McCain as the GOP Nominee. Since such a piece would not have been one that would convince the Republicans that McCain is the best candidate. And for the Democratic to use it would be easily dismissed by the right.
Wheeler is a hero to the Far Right and the Neoconservatives he is often looked to as a source of fairytales about the left and liberals. As such what he writes is seen as the Gospel to those whom want to believe the worst of the person then those wanting to make an inform decision.
Regular,
He had the authority to go to war but that didn’t mean he had to use it.
Oh I think I’ve established MUCH MORE than that. :D
So which of Bush’s policies will McCain abandon? Which will he disown?
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Freebird1971
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink
Regular,
He had the authority to go to war but that didn’t mean he had to use it.
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And Congress has the authority and privilege not to vote to fund the war.
After all, if you wish to create (out of thin air) some “distance” between Bush and McCain, you got some work to do?
So let’s see it!
:twisted:
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You were in the 1 percent percentile on National Merit test like myself? Well, I’m impressed Walker.
You graduated with 3.97 (out of 4.00) from college like myself Walker? I’m doubly impressed.
You’re the one that always attacks me first Walker, I usually leave you alone to your comments.
Just own up to what you are, an excuse making whiner and life will be okay once you admit what you are.
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With all that going for you, you still post on WEblog? Wow, the editors must be dauntingly impressed. I know I’m not. You should be running a multinational company by now.
“Just own up to what you are,”
I did: I stated I was a full blown a**hole. And being as I don’t belong to the top one percentile of the Wango school of stupidism, such as, say, yourself, I guess I’ll just muddle along, bitch-slapping morons as I wander blissfully by.
From what I’ve seen of Pelin, including an interview by CNBC last night, she is an extremely intelligent lady.
Those chauvinists who would try to denigrate her intellect because she looks good (CF), are going to end up looking stupid.
“Don’t have to, there is a two hundred year history in the U.S. of conservative groups and churches coming to assist in times of disaster.”
There IS?
Huh? I thought they made ya listen to the sermon before they gave ya the soup or blanket.
“I’m not a cheese eating surrender monkey like yourself and believe in ’sticking by your guns’ and flip flopping politically when times get tough.”
Regular
Posted August 31, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
Obama gave his wife herpes.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:04 am
“Just own up to what you are, an excuse making whiner and life will be okay once you admit what you are.”
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and you are what?
you’re a worthless whining POS a disgrace to the uniform you want us to believe you wore bravely and with honor.
Such a small small man — you rail at those who take you on and give back what you dispense and you’re too small a man to be a man and not engage in what you accuse of others — back in your hole –
AND you claim to be a Christian ? you will burn in your own hell
SHAME ON YOU
“You were in the 1 percent percentile on National Merit test like myself? Well, I’m impressed Walker.
You graduated with 3.97 (out of 4.00) from college like myself Walker? I’m doubly impressed.” — Regular
What went wrong?
“Those chauvinists who would try to denigrate her intellect ”
“My hubby won a snow machine race yayyyyyy hehehehehe”
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink
Bush is not running for office.
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I believe this has been shown to be false, no?
:twisted:
Well, this is interesting!
BabyGate: Explosive New Details
“Yesterday, the nation at large was introduced to Sarah Palin’s fraudulent claims of maternity by numerous photographs, video, and a timeline that made even those accepting of the ‘official’ story turn their heads in confusion.
The revelation that had been whispered among the Alaskan legislature was explosive. Sarah Palin is not the mother of Trig Palin. Her daughter is the mother. Scarce if any refutations to the contrary have come forward, and now damning incidents and evidence has come to light.”
Dog,
Wheeler is not my hero. I don’t think what was done to Kerry by Swift-boating was right either. Although, my eyebrows do go up when I hear the stories about Kerry’s three band-aid purple hearts. Especially when I personally know some Vets who had much more serious injuries and returned back to combat.
Kerry also accused military of being baby killers and generally homicidal maniacs. You know, just like the Libs are doing today with our brave men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To even bring up McCain’s time as a POW in any detrimental way is disgraceful in my opinion.
As a veteran and one who fully understands disability and pain, I find the attacks on McCain beyond human decency.
People who promote this kind of talk should be placed under the same conditions as McCain and then let’s see how well they come out.
Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink
Bush is not running for office.
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Cute and quite obvious.
Let me know when you want to have a discussion worthy of an adult.
I believe this has been shown to be false, no?-
Oh wait, I get it.
The kind of “step up” support given to GW Bush is the kind that you can only talk about privately, right? It should NEVER be discussed publicly, is that it?
:lol:
So it’s THAT kind of support, huh?
“Let’s see how you fare in such a situation Dog.” — Regular
Ask the graduates of Guantamano
But even with approval the ultimate choice was his was it not?
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beber
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
“Let’s see how you fare in such a situation Dog.” — Regular
Ask the graduates of Guantamano
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The detainees in Guantanamo (the correct spelling) live in luxury compared to conditions of what McCain was held in.
Anybody else notice that Gov. Palin is shaping up to be a LOT like Augustus Stupidus when it comes to governing style?
No curiosity, pays no attention to detail, prone to charges of corruption, prone to self-destructive loyalty to others?
Sound familiar?
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Freebird1971
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink
But even with approval the ultimate choice was his was it not?
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That’s the way it works.
If you want to play the pivotal argument.
A war not funded is a war not prosecuted.
We can go around and around with this all day.
Wow, with friends like Regular George W Bush and John McCain will certainly go places!
Crawford, TX, and Phoenix, AZ come to mind…
:lol:
http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/ballot_box/should_christians_support_a_wo.aspx
http://generationcedar.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palinyeah-im-going-there.html
Sarah Palin is part of this. This is more prevalent than one thinks.
I’ll bet Nathan and Hank would agree.
I guess if it’s ok with you we can agree to disagree
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink
To even bring up McCain’s time as a POW in any detrimental way is disgraceful in my opinion.
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Well of course it would be disgraceful, “in your opinion”.
We certainly wouldn’t want to discuss propaganda statements McCain made for the North Vietnamese.
Seems like I remember something in the UCMJ that prohibits that sort of thing.
“As a veteran and one who fully understands disability and pain, I find the attacks on McCain beyond human decency.”
Does it make ya wanna go all btk on folks who say such things there James?
Too many idiots spouting base bigotry and stupidity here. Have fun playing with yourselves, folks.
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Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink
Anybody else notice that Gov. Palin is shaping up to be a LOT like Augustus Stupidus when it comes to governing style?
No curiosity, pays no attention to detail, prone to charges of corruption, prone to self-destructive loyalty to others?
Sound familiar?
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Ever notice the similarities that Obama has with radical Islamic terrorist leaders?
He has terrorists as friends and fund raisers.
He associates with corrupt businessmen and utilizes their positions to advance his personal causes.
He only highlights the positive aspects of his life, while ignoring the fact that he only knew his father one month of his life and his father was boinking his second wife, while married to his third wife.
All of Obama’s paternal relatives are Muslim.
Obama has millions, while his paternal relatives live in poverty.
Regular posts:
[crickets]
:lol:
So just exactly how does Sarah Palin, McCain’s putative VP selection, differ from George Bush?
Outlander,
Don’t lie about what I said. And you ARE lying, outlander. My criticisms were of Sarah Palin’s venal character and misuse of authority. If she chose participate in beauty pageants, it certainly isn’t untoward to point that out.
I am no chauvinist. Period. And given your previous sexist bleating that Hillary Clinton’s voice “Gave you a headache, I’d say you’re about as a big a proponent of keeping women suburdinate to men as we’re likely to see on this board.
Gettin’ a lot of cricket noises over this question, asked a number of times now…
Ok, a compromise. :D
A somewhat valid case can be made that John McCain is, in fact, not George W Bush. Even though no McCain supporter is willing to TOUCH the question! :lol:
What’s not in dispute, however (at least not yet) is this.
Sarah Palin = George W Bush
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XXX
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink
To even bring up McCain’s time as a POW in any detrimental way is disgraceful in my opinion.
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Well of course it would be disgraceful, “in your opinion”.
We certainly wouldn’t want to discuss propaganda statements McCain made for the North Vietnamese.
Seems like I remember something in the UCMJ that prohibits that sort of thing.
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Unlike yourself, I stayed awake in the briefings in regards to understanding the POW and UCMJ implications.
One of the things emphasized that in addition to resisting the enemy and making every attempt to escape, no one expects anyone not to eventually succumb to torture, starvation and psychological mistreatment.
I would like to think I wouldn’t make any propaganda statements because of torture, but I have never been held as a POW. One doesn’t know unless they have been a POW.
I do know what intense pain is like though – and when it’s really bad, I would go to great measures to get to a hospital to get relief.
With that in mind, yes, I could see where intense, prolonged pain, psychological brutality and desperate conditions could alter my judgment as it did McCain’s.
I find no weakness of character or compromise in what McCain did under conditions of torture.
Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
Regular posts:
[crickets]
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Ask a question that is not loaded with prejudice and I’ll answer.
You are doing nothing but demonstrating your propensity to being an ideological idiot.
Sarah Palin = George W Bush
Discuss.
Outlander,
“Participates in beauty pageants” doesn’t equal “unintelligent”; it equals “affirms women’s subservience to men.”. That’s precisely why YOU like her and precisely why I don’t.
George had a mastectomy?
Question 2:
If McCain is NOT George W Bush, then why would he choose a female version of George W Bush, Sarah Palin, as his running mate?
Personally I think there’s something in the water at RNC get togethers.
Anybody else care to conjecture as to just exactly why the GOP is so fond of intellectual lightweights from the American West? (Dan Qayle, Augustus Stupidus, Sarah Palin)
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
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Ever notice the similarities that Obama has with radical Islamic terrorist leaders?
He has terrorists as friends and fund raisers.
He associates with corrupt businessmen and utilizes their positions to advance his personal causes.
He only highlights the positive aspects of his life, while ignoring the fact that he only knew his father one month of his life and his father was boinking his second wife, while married to his third wife.
All of Obama’s paternal relatives are Muslim.
Obama has millions, while his paternal relatives live in poverty.
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. . . and you call me out for posting an article by Wheeler about McCain.
And all you got is right-wing propaganda that’s been knocked out of the ball park by every intelligent writer around. Which leaves stupid neo-cons writing nonsense.
(quote) “Just own up to what you are, an excuse making whiner and life will be okay once you admit what you are.”
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink
“These conservative groups are not the “hey look at me I’m great – I gave a dollar” attention whores like the Libs.”
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Back that one, bozo.
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Don’t have to, there is a two hundred year history in the U.S. of conservative groups and churches coming to assist in times of disaster.
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There is also a two hundred year history of American people coming to the aid disaster victims, regardless of political persuasion. Only the neo-cons would deny that fact. During times of a disaster, everybody who can helps. For cons to use anything else as political leverage is totally asinine but totally expected.
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
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Ever notice the similarities that Obama has with radical Islamic terrorist leaders?
He has terrorists as friends and fund raisers.
He associates with corrupt businessmen and utilizes their positions to advance his personal causes.
He only highlights the positive aspects of his life, while ignoring the fact that he only knew his father one month of his life and his father was boinking his second wife, while married to his third wife.
All of Obama’s paternal relatives are Muslim.
Obama has millions, while his paternal relatives live in poverty.
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. . . and you call me out for posting an article by Wheeler about McCain.
And all you got is right-wing propaganda that’s been knocked out of the ball park by every intelligent writer around. Which leaves stupid neo-cons writing nonsense.
(quote) “Just own up to what you are, an excuse making whiner and life will be okay once you admit what you are.”
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I thought you had an IQ?
Evidently, you don’t understand I was responding with a snarky response to Pedant’s equally snarky post.
I thought you were more intelligent Walker.
My bad. I’ll try to break it down to your kool-aid drinking and crayola user level next time.
Still not willing to defend George W Bush, John McCain, and Sarah Palin, Regular?
:twisted:
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink
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There is also a two hundred year history of American people coming to the aid disaster victims, regardless of political persuasion. Only the neo-cons would deny that fact. During times of a disaster, everybody who can helps. For cons to use anything else as political leverage is totally asinine but totally expected.
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Oh, you mean like Obama’s (patting on the back-look-how-great-I-am) statement on using an email chain to raise funds. That kind of political leverage by Obama is what you mean?
Self serving politics like the Obama campaign constantly practices?
Pedant
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink
Still not willing to defend George W Bush, John McCain, and Sarah Palin, Regula
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You’re on ignore until you want to participate in a sensible manner.
Of course, I know you won’t, you like to play little boy games that all Libs do.
Or perhaps the Public Safety Commissioner had not completed the goals set forth to him by the legislature, just as Palin stated in her lengthy press conferences.
Palin even offered the Public Safety Commissioner a job with equal pay (Alcohol Commission).
If her “reason” for firing him was that he wasn’t doing his job concerning alcohol, why would she offer him the job in the Alcohol Commission?
Ironic?
No, just stupid.
Try reading what the investigation is about.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink
Or perhaps the Public Safety Commissioner had not completed the goals set forth to him by the legislature, just as Palin stated in her lengthy press conferences.
Palin even offered the Public Safety Commissioner a job with equal pay (Alcohol Commission).
If her “reason” for firing him was that he wasn’t doing his job concerning alcohol, why would she offer him the job in the Alcohol Commission?
Ironic?
No, just stupid.
Try reading what the investigation is about.
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The Public Safety Commissioner, as I understand it, was fired for not meeting replacement manpower requirements and not seeing that funds were distributed in much need areas of law enforcement.
Like I advised others, do your research before you going making accusations.
You will find the video by Palin fully explains what occurred and what didn’t occur.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink
You’re on ignore until you want to participate in a sensible manner.
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:lol:
Translation: I lack both a leg to stand on and the character to admit it.
Dang James “Regular”
You been at it almost 4 hours now.
Sis been in to wipe your chin and change ya?
Appealing to Hillary supporters by choosing someone opposed to any abortion, rights seems odd to me.
Commenting on how she doesn’t like Hillary’s “whining” isn’t going to endear her to the PUMAs.
Like with Troopergate, Palin thinks people have no memory. If she said something last month, saying the exact opposite the next or trying to retract her words just isn’t going to cut it.
Make up your mind, Sarah, or shut your mouth.
BlueJay
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink
Dang James “Regular”
You been at it almost 4 hours now.
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So has Walker and Beber.
No comments towards them?
It’s a holiday and lot of participants that actually have something to say.
You might try participating in the discussion Junior, instead of making one of your typical ad hominem attacks.
Of course, everyone on the board knows you won’t.
Your position as the ‘pet dog’ for the Libs is safe.
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I thought you had an IQ?
Evidently, you don’t understand I was responding with a snarky response to Pedant’s equally snarky post.
I thought you were more intelligent Walker.
My bad. I’ll try to break it down to your kool-aid drinking and crayola user level next time.
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And here you implied you were on the genius level.
Gee, didn’t you call me out, and call me a liar, for posting part of Wheeler’s article? Is that now just a blip on the radar, meaning nothing? Kind of like your posts? Is it your bent to write meaningless posts just to engorge your over-the-top ego? You never stated top or bottom 1% of the national merit exam. I’m betting the bottom. Your Blog a**hole status is still intact.
I prefer scotch and watercolors.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
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Ever notice the similarities that Obama has with radical Islamic terrorist leaders?
He has terrorists as friends and fund raisers.
He associates with corrupt businessmen and utilizes their positions to advance his personal causes.
He only highlights the positive aspects of his life, while ignoring the fact that he only knew his father one month of his life and his father was boinking his second wife, while married to his third wife.
All of Obama’s paternal relatives are Muslim.
Obama has millions, while his paternal relatives live in poverty.
Regular spouts right wing talking points, and when he is called out on it, says I was just being snarky. I call b.s. Just another right winger putting forth the same old lies, hoping that the weak minded won’t know the difference.
The Bush and McCain supporters here kill me.
Oh they’re the 82nd Airborne keyboarders when it comes to roughing up a Democrat, but when it comes to defending their own friggin president, their candidate for president, and that candidate’s VP selection they insist on “sensible” manners. :roll:
I believe there are topicals nowadays for conditions like yours, i.e., lacking a pair.
:twisted:
8 men in suits arrived in Washill, AK, yesterday and are staying at a local “hotel” there. Seems one of the things McCain forgot to do in his rush to name Palin as his running mate was to vet her.
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
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I thought you had an IQ?
Evidently, you don’t understand I was responding with a snarky response to Pedant’s equally snarky post.
I thought you were more intelligent Walker.
My bad. I’ll try to break it down to your kool-aid drinking and crayola user level next time.
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And here you implied you were on the genius level.
Gee, didn’t you call me out, and call me a liar, for posting part of Wheeler’s article? Is that now just a blip on the radar, meaning nothing? Kind of like your posts? Is it your bent to write meaningless posts just to engorge your over-the-top ego? You never stated top or bottom 1% of the national merit exam. I’m betting the bottom. Your Blog a**hole status is still intact.
I prefer scotch and watercolors.
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My bad, evidently you weren’t around anyone who accomplished anything with the National Merit testing.
A 1 percentile always means those who scored in the top 1 percent nationally.
Your claim of the bottom 1 percent would be expressed as 99 percentile group.
I didn’t realize you were so incompetent when it came to understanding what percentile testing scores meant.
I’ll break it down for you next time. :)
McCain’s POW experience doesn’t disqualify him from being President either.
So if it doesn’t qualify him or disqualify him, maybe he should stop running on it.
Word had it that his “POW experience” was going to be the main focus of the RNC.
And then Gustav entered the picture.
Now the focus will be on “raising money” to help those affected by the hurricane.
Oh, yes, and Dubya won’t be there tonight to make his speech. I guess they should be thanking Gustav for that.
Off to north beach, lads and lasses.
Allz I can say is this. If the pitiful defense of John McCain and George W Bush is the best the McCain/Bush/Palin ticket can bring, then they better start bringing a lunch now through the first Tuesday in November.
If what we’ve seen here is any indication, It’s gonna be a short, short night come election day.
Enjoy your Labor Day! :D
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
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Ever notice the similarities that Obama has with radical Islamic terrorist leaders?
He has terrorists as friends and fund raisers.
He associates with corrupt businessmen and utilizes their positions to advance his personal causes.
He only highlights the positive aspects of his life, while ignoring the fact that he only knew his father one month of his life and his father was boinking his second wife, while married to his third wife.
All of Obama’s paternal relatives are Muslim.
Obama has millions, while his paternal relatives live in poverty.
Regular spouts right wing talking points, and when he is called out on it, says I was just being snarky. I call b.s. Just another right winger putting forth the same old lies, hoping that the weak minded won’t know the difference.
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Actually I was responding to Pedant’s post and wrote to Walker about putting in a snarky response.
Unless that is, you are admitting to being Pedant and yet another multi-nicking Lib poster.
Looks like a revenge firing to me.
Apparently it wasn’t the first.
If you think Dubya’s cronyism ran high, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet when it comes to Sarah Palin.
JR–
I used to attempt to annoy Regular by saying that he’s mentally disturbed, even though I wasn’t convinced that he really was.
Now, I pretty much am. Regular is a guy who doesn’t appear to have human contact except through his keyboard. He’s like freaking Bo Radley.
He’s someone who rails against “parasitical welfare queens” while he himself lives on welfare.
He constantly plots about “revenge” against his “tormentors”–who are not tormentors so much as people who simply point out his logical contradictions. His stated revenge includes but not limited to stalking, rifling offices, lawsuits, physical threats, and slow murder.
You know how when you see some scroungy-looking guy carrying plastic bags of cans and old newspapers talking to himself hobbling up the sidewalk at you and you wisely cross the street?
That scroungy-looking dude is Regular.
The wisest course is just to leave him alone . . . in his misery.
I heard some con ranter or other.
Clearly he wasn’t thrilled with lil’ Sarah.
He referred to her as Sarabama. Picked ONLY because she is young and a woman.
The hurricane may just save the con vention.
They’ll do just party business and a little fakery at compassion for the victims of the hurricane.
That will spare them speeches by george bush and Sarah Palin.
“I’m from Alaska and it’s really cold up there yayyyyyy!”
Another classical statement by CraponAmerica.
The Crapn is afraid to debate me, because he knows he gets his ass kicked every time he does.
The only avenue the Crapn has left, is personal attack.
He’s so good at personal attacks.
Crapn’s daughter must be proud of her sperm donor father, who spits on other human beings at every opportunity.
Yes Regular, I am all the liberal posters on this board. I couldn’t fool you, could I? I should know better than to go up against your superior intellect and razor sharp wit. You found me out.
Your so smart, but you continue to miss the point. You parrot the right wing talking points and when called on it, reply, I was just being snarky. That is the point.
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Yes Regular, I am all the liberal posters on this board. I couldn’t fool you, could I? I should know better than to go up against your superior intellect and razor sharp wit. You found me out.
Your so smart, but you continue to miss the point. You parrot the right wing talking points and when called on it, reply, I was just being snarky. That is the point.
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I don’t parrot right wing talking points.
I deal with facts and truth.
When you grow up and learn the difference between facts and accusation, then we can discuss.
If something is not a fact, I’ll state it is not a fact.
I don’t pretend to make it a fact by repetitive emetics like the Libs do.
Sarah Palin’s first speech as VP Candidate = Sarah Palin’s first LIE as VP Candidate
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/2656914/John-McCain-running-mate-Sarah-Palin-misled-Republican-supporters.html
The Governor of Alaska gave a misleading version of events over a controversial bridge project in her home state when she made her maiden speech as the presumptive nominee.
Mrs Palin told a cheering audience in Ohio that she had turned down an offer from the US Congress to build the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere”, which would have connected Gravina Island with Ketchikan International, an airport in Alaska’s southeast serving just 200,000 passengers a year. Mr McCain routinely cites the £100 million project as a symbol of wasteful central government spending.
As she introduced herself to Republicans and the American public on Friday, the virtually unknown Mrs Palin said: “I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress … ‘thanks, but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said we’d build it ourselves.”
However it emerged that in a 2006 interview with the Anchorage Daily News during her gubernatorial campaign, Mrs Palin had a different view of the bridge.
Asked “would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?” she replied: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now – while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”
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BTW, Alaska receives more federals funds per person than any other state in the Union. “I hate pork and earmarks. . . . Uh, except when I get them . . . “
From what I’m reading while the “vetting” of Sarah Palin begins, Senator Clinton will be on the campaign trail and everyone will have the opportunity to see McCain’s VP choice is “pale in” comparison to Clinton.
I don’t parrot right wing talking points.
Evidently, you don’t understand I was responding with a snarky response to Pedant’s equally snarky post.
Which is it Regular? You can’t have it both ways. Or are you now saying you believe that crap about Obama is fact? Never mind that all the points you pasted about Obama has been proven false. For a man with such a giant intellect, you sure don’t make this very clear.
I shall now put you on ignore.
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lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
From what I’m reading while the “vetting” of Sarah Palin begins, Senator Clinton will be on the campaign trail and everyone will have the opportunity to see McCain’s VP choice is “pale in” comparison to Clinton.
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Will this be after we hear HClinton’s explanation on how she avoided the Bosnia snipers?
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
I don’t parrot right wing talking points.
Evidently, you don’t understand I was responding with a snarky response to Pedant’s equally snarky post.
Which is it Regular? You can’t have it both ways. Or are you now saying you believe that crap about Obama is fact? Never mind that all the points you pasted about Obama has been proven false. For a man with such a giant intellect, you sure don’t make this very clear.
I shall now put you on ignore.
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cya, good riddance to bad rubbish.
My bad, evidently you weren’t around anyone who accomplished anything with the National Merit testing.
A 1 percentile always means those who scored in the top 1 percent nationally.
Your claim of the bottom 1 percent would be expressed as 99 percentile group.
I didn’t realize you were so incompetent when it came to understanding what percentile testing scores meant.
I’ll break it down for you next time. :)
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Wow, Wango logic does it again! The only thing you qualify for in any 1% bracket is the stupidity index. That would be the TOP 1% of stupid cons.
And actually, while I wasn’t in the top 1%, I was in the top 5% on the National Merit Exam. Not bad for a fully qualified a**hole, huh? Can we then infer any neo-cons scoring higher than me are a**holes as well?
cya, good riddance to bad rubbish
Good grief, I didn’t realize I was talking to a grade school kid. Sorry I was so rough on you. Now go away and let the grown ups talk.
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JMWalker
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
My bad, evidently you weren’t around anyone who accomplished anything with the National Merit testing.
A 1 percentile always means those who scored in the top 1 percent nationally.
Your claim of the bottom 1 percent would be expressed as 99 percentile group.
I didn’t realize you were so incompetent when it came to understanding what percentile testing scores meant.
I’ll break it down for you next time. :)
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Wow, Wango logic does it again! The only thing you qualify for in any 1% bracket is the stupidity index. That would be the TOP 1% of stupid cons.
And actually, while I wasn’t in the top 1%, I was in the top 5% on the National Merit Exam. Not bad for a fully qualified a**hole, huh? Can we then infer any neo-cons scoring higher than me are a**holes as well?
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Perhaps you scored lower because of your poor math skills and had no understanding that the 99 percentile group is actually the bottom 1 percent. :cool:
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink
cya, good riddance to bad rubbish
Good grief, I didn’t realize I was talking to a grade school kid. Sorry I was so rough on you. Now go away and let the grown ups talk.
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Just keeping you real. :)
There isn’t a person in the race for president, vice president or other high-profile positions who hasn’t been vetted, by the press, by the public, by traditional and nontraditional methods — EXCEPT Sarah Palin. In his rush to do something / anything to shore up his abysmal rankings McCain has used his first presidential decision to show Americans how reckless he is, and his (lack of) judgment.
Let the vetting begin! We’ll see how this VP candidates is “pale in” comparison to many.
Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Now the focus will be on “raising money” to help those affected by the hurricane.
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This is going to play hell with the repugs, having to act like they care.
It’s been 3 years since the last time they were forced to care. Just doesn’t seem fair, huh?
Repubs, dust off all of your “blame the victim” quotes.
(blip)
Time for chicken soup. :D
Take a look, a close look, at Regular’s posts. Is this what bi-polar looks like?
Perhaps you scored lower because of your poor math skills and had no understanding that the 99 percentile group is actually the bottom 1 percent. :cool:
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Wow, is that all you got? TBA still intact.
Those chauvinists who would try to denigrate her intellect because she looks good (CF), are going to end up looking stupid.
No, it’s you and yours who are going to look stupid. Chauvinists? Shall I go back and copy and paste the “Her Thighness” comments made by Hank? I could post them right alongside the “butt” comparisons between Hillary and Michelle. But they didn’t stop there. It’s been going on for more than months. IOKIYAR, right?
the “vetting” of Sarah Palin begins
I’m new to this, but shouldn’t that have been done before he named her as his vp? This was such a weak pick, yet the right doesn’t seem to notice. McCain acts like he doesn’t want to be elected, but hangs in there out of party loyalty. Worst canidate, making even worse choices. Obama/Biden look good so far. It is theirs to lose.
Here you go XXX and Predestined,
Something for you to ruminate on, while you are chewing the cud of Obama liberal mastigation techniques. :D
Philanthropy Expert: Conservatives Are More Generous
SYRACUSE, N.Y. — Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America — and it’s making him nervous.
The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.
In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives — from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services — make conservatives more generous than liberals.
The book, titled “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism” (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24
(chortles)
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink
Perhaps you scored lower because of your poor math skills and had no understanding that the 99 percentile group is actually the bottom 1 percent.
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A percentile is the value of a variable below which a certain percent of observations fall. So the 20th percentile is the value (or score) below which 20 percent of the observations may be found. [The 99th percentile group then is the value (or score) below which 99 percent of the observations may be found]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentile
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:lol:
Sorry, saw it earlier but only now decided that I couldn’t let such sheer idiocy pass. Regular is so geneyus that he can’t even understand what own alleged Merit test results mean…but of course feels free to lecture others out of his own ignorance.
Nitwit.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink
I don’t parrot right wing talking points.
I deal with facts and truth.
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Ha!
Heh, heh, heh..
Ha, ha, ha, ha!
Ha, ha, ha, hee, hee, ho!
Ah-ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Good one, Reg!
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Another classical statement by CraponAmerica.
The Crapn is afraid to debate me, because he knows he gets his ass kicked every time he does.
The only avenue the Crapn has left, is personal attack.He’s so good at personal attacks.
Crapn’s daughter must be proud of her sperm donor father, who spits on other human beings at every opportunity.
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My bad, evidently you weren’t around anyone who accomplished anything with the National Merit testing.
A 1 percentile always means those who scored in the top 1 percent nationally.
Your claim of the bottom 1 percent would be expressed as 99 percentile group.
I didn’t realize you were so incompetent when it came to understanding what percentile testing scores meant.
I’ll break it down for you next time. :)
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Need I say more? TBA
BabyGate: Explosive New Details
There has been a lot of discussion on this and whether or not it should come to the attention of the MSM. Let’s face it, people will talk, and “talk” now includes blogging on the internet. It’s a fact.
The last I heard about this issue (and remember, I posted that I was NOT convinced of the duplicity), a photo of Palin that actually showed her pregnant with Trig (and very pregnant indeed!) was discovered on a freeper site.
Which doesn’t excuse her flight from TX to AK WHILE IN LABOR. IMHO, Sarah Palin’s judgement is in question on this and other more “political” issues. I’d rather stick with the political.
Yes, libdave, candidates whose judgment can be trusted, those who put country first, realize how important this person is / could be. There are questions being asked by American allies too. Australia says they have a stake in this, their soldiers fighting with Americans have a stake in this and all soldiers deserved more from McCain.
An assistant manager at Target gets more scrutiny than McCain gave his running mate.
McCain put his ambition first, his country last.
He had the authority to
go to waruse force but that didn’t mean he had to use it.There. That’s better.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink
Here you go XXX and Predestined,
Something for you to ruminate on, while you are chewing the cud of Obama liberal mastigation techniques. :D
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Uh, Reg…
Since we’re correcting errors today, here’s a correction for you. It’s “mastication”.
Chewing techniques?
That’s stupid, even for you.
Regular, you should just quit while you’re ahead today. The ass-kickings you’re getting from the “libs” is almost embarrassing.
Why can’t you just admit, for once, that you are wrong?
I think he had another, similar sounding word in mind any way there X.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 1, 2008 at 10:28 am
“I don’t parrot right wing talking points.
I deal with facts and truth.
When you grow up and learn the difference between facts and accusation, then we can discuss.
If something is not a fact, I’ll state it is not a fact.
I don’t pretend to make it a fact by repetitive emetics like the Libs do.”
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Multi-nic’d Regular posted multiple times a LIE about the Sierra Club re the New Orleans levees.
Multi-nic’d Regular has also posted lies about posters, climate science, and other issues.
Multi-nic’d Regular is, in short, a liar.
The book, titled “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism” (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24
One man’s opinion.
I’d rather send $26 to help those in need.
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XXX
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink
Here you go XXX and Predestined,
Something for you to ruminate on, while you are chewing the cud of Obama liberal mastigation techniques. :D
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Uh, Reg…
Since we’re correcting errors today, here’s a correction for you. It’s “mastication”.
Chewing techniques?
That’s stupid, even for you.
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Actually no. I was referring to mastigation muscles, i.e.;
tensor veli palatini and tensor tympani muscles, not the act of chewing.
It was used as an adjective, not a verb, which is what masticate is (a verb.)
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In references to the National Merit scores, the model was different in the 1960s than it is now. today’s National merit is measured towards PSAT competitive qualifying scores.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink
The book, titled “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism” (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24
One man’s opinion.
I’d rather send $26 to help those in need.
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No.
One of your own – an educated and qualified Liberal who actually printed the truth about who contributes to charity and worth causes.
worthy causes…
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
Regular, you should just quit while you’re ahead today. The ass-kickings you’re getting from the “libs” is almost embarrassing.
Why can’t you just admit, for once, that you are wrong?
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Chas,
You should stick to one nick. :D
It’s still one man’s opinion, Reg.
Since you know so much about this, can you tell me where he got his data? There are lots of people (on both sides) who donate and help, but never seek recognition for doing so. Some, who can’t help in big ways, do so in small ways. One on one. Is that included in his data?
Sorry Regular, not Chas.
Contrary to what you have a history of doing, I have always posted under this nic. I choose most of time to sit back and watch. As you pointed out, this is a holiday weekend and I also have extra time to waste.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink
It’s still one man’s opinion, Reg.
Since you know so much about this, can you tell me where he got his data? There are lots of people (on both sides) who donate and help, but never seek recognition for doing so. Some, who can’t help in big ways, do so in small ways. One on one. Is that included in his data?
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Let’s start with just one organization.
Ever hear of the Salvation Army?
I think you might get the point, unless you want me to list the thousands of Christians charities, which I feel you are capable of finding those yourself.
Yikes! Another possible look into Palin’s activities? Those 8 guys are going to have some reading to do!
JUNEAU EMPIRE.COM
August 31, 2008
Palin has steadfastly denied abusing her role as governor to target Wooten, and says she fired Monegan for reasons unrelated to her former brother-in-law. But she suspended an aide who, according to the governor, gave the perception of applying undue pressure to have Wooten fired during a recorded phone call with a state trooper lieutenant.
During the phone call, which the governor made public, Director of Boards Commissioner Frank Bailey references Wooten’s personnel file. In response, the Public Safety Employees Association, which represents the state troopers, is looking into any possible breaches of confidential records, including public employee personnel files.
John Cyr, the executive director of PSEA, said his organization has filed an open records request with the state for copies of any documents that involve the union’s contract negotiations or any of its members.
Reg,
So you’re saying that only Christians donate to the Salvation Army?
Or are you saying that only the money and items from Salvation Army members are used in donations?
Ever hear of the Salvation Army?
I think you might get the point, unless you want me to list the thousands of Christians charities, which I feel you are capable of finding those yourself
Here we go again, I know I put you on my ignore list, but this same old crap. Christian charities? Are you trying to say that only cons are christian, that their are no liberal chistians,or liberal chistian groups. So list away Regular, but Christian does not equal concervative.
Palin’s 17-Year-Old Daughter Is Pregnant
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE New York Times
“ST. PAUL — The 17-year-old daughter of Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain’s running mate, is five months pregnant, Senator McCain’s campaign advisers announced today.
The daughter, Bristol, plans to marry the father, the campaign said.”
Hey, Gov! How about that Abstinence Training!!
Pretty obvious already that the new media will not be providing the same level of coverage to the republican convention, than they did to the democrats. I suppose it’s because of the political beliefs the majority in the news media hold. Or it could just be there can only be one true God, and Obama is a democrat.
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink
Ever hear of the Salvation Army?
I think you might get the point, unless you want me to list the thousands of Christians charities, which I feel you are capable of finding those yourself
Here we go again, I know I put you on my ignore list, but this same old crap. Christian charities? Are you trying to say that only cons are christian, that their are no liberal chistians,or liberal chistian groups. So list away Regular, but Christian does not equal concervative.
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Of course there are liberal churches.
With that said, most conservatives that attend churches do not belong to those liberal churches do they? :D
You’re more than welcome to put up any data that these liberal churches do in the way of charitable work in the way of disaster relief efforts.
I wouldn’t know where to look myself as I know of no study that has looked at this.
But feel free to explore your assertion.
My assertion is based on well known and studied facts.
Yours? – not so much
Breaking news…Palin’s 17 yr old daughter is pregnant…with Palin not knowing how to keep from getting pregnant at the age of 43 and now her daughter…someone needs to sit them both down and explain the concept of birth control.
I’m a little worried about a woman who obviously lacks common sense being only a “heartbeat away” from the presidency.
I see Obama and Bush are concerned about New Orleans. So concerned they cancelled their agendas. Yet most of Florida was under record flooding by Hurricane Fay, which made landfall four times in Florida, and we didn’t hear a peep from the politicians nor the news media.
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Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink
Chas,
You should stick to one nick. :D
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The biggest nic-switcher of all accuses someone else of nic-switching.
The blog a$$hole strikes again.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink
Reg,
So you’re saying that only Christians donate to the Salvation Army?
Or are you saying that only the money and items from Salvation Army members are used in donations?
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Nope, I’m saying that conservative Christian churches put the whole effort when it comes to assisting in disaster relief.
They don’t just drop a dime in the bucket and call it a day. Christian conservative groups like Catholic Charities, Operation Blessing, Feed the Children, etc. etc. walk the talk.
“I’m a little worried about a woman who obviously lacks common sense being only a “heartbeat away” from the presidency.”
Then you really should be worried about Obama. Afterall, the vast majority of teenage pregnancies and out-of-wedlock babies are statistically occurring among black Americans.
They all lack common sense, Mary?
I heard Bristol aleady had the quicky wedding. That was the rumor in Washill and Palmer yesterday.
And before anyone starts snarking about this not being pertinent and attacking the messenger(s), DavidB put in perspective. It’s one more bit of proof of how abstinence education doesn’t work.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink
Breaking news…Palin’s 17 yr old daughter is pregnant…with Palin not knowing how to keep from getting pregnant at the age of 43 and now her daughter…someone needs to sit them both down and explain the concept of birth control.
I’m a little worried about a woman who obviously lacks common sense being only a “heartbeat away” from the presidency.
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I thought children were off limits?
You know, like Chelsea Clinton?
Or is that only a one way rule?
Generousity doesn’t just lie in tax deductable donations, Reg. Many liberal Americans give generously, but they don’t talk about it.
When I was growing up, the nuns taught me that to do something generous for someone else is good, but if you talk about it, then it doesn’t count.
I certainly don’t keep a list of the things I do and give, I see a need, lend a hand, and then move on.
American_Way
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink
Pretty obvious already that the new media will not be providing the same level of coverage to the republican convention, than they did to the democrats.
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Yeah, Damn the MSN for covering a hurricane instead of the republican convention!
Read the rest of my post, Reg…would you want a woman in charge who doesn’t even know how to prevent a pregnancy at her age, especailly knowing what the risks are?
We need someone with common sense back in the White House.
Not to mention stupid.
Isn’t it quite “convenient” that Palin announces the “pregnancy” of her daughter a few days after the accusations that the govenor herself is actually the grandmother of Trig Palin, not his mother.
I think we will be hearing about this story in the weeks to come. Could Sarah Palin be the next Thomas Eagleton?
Then you really should be worried about Obama. Afterall, the vast majority of teenage pregnancies and out-of-wedlock babies are statistically occurring among black Americans.
You’re blaming all the out-of-wedlock babies of black Americans on Obama?
Seriously, I believe Obama adressed this issue by pointing out that fathers need to take more responsibility, and he was blasted by the right for doing so.
Oh I believe the child is hers…that’s often what happens when a womnan her age gets pregnant.
I respect her choice not to abort the baby…but she should never have gotten pregnant…the risks are too high.
“…The daughter, Bristol, plans to marry the father….”
Won’t that make Todd a bigamist?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink
Generousity doesn’t just lie in tax deductable donations, Reg. Many liberal Americans give generously, but they don’t talk about it.
When I was growing up, the nuns taught me that to do something generous for someone else is good, but if you talk about it, then it doesn’t count.
I certainly don’t keep a list of the things I do and give, I see a need, lend a hand, and then move on.
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You’re missing the point Mary, just like predestined.
I’m saying that conservatives and those who are Christian are more charitable on a whole than Liberals. The reason being, is that conservative Christians don’t just stop at putting a dime in the bucket.
These Christian Conservatives, go out and do; they deliver the food and supplies; they help rebuild churches and homes; they provide emergency services and staff them with their own people.
Dropping a dime in a bucket is charitable, but it certainly a statement of non-commitment in doing charitable work. Which by the way, charitable work is difficult to measure, because it is mostly unpaid volunteerism.
would you want a woman in charge who doesn’t even know how to prevent a pregnancy at her age, especailly knowing what the risks are?
And ignoring those risks by getting on a plane to fly from Texas to Alaska, one month before her due date and IN LABOR?
Have a great Labor Day…I gotta run, the family is coming out for dinner. We have a new exchange student from Thialand to welcome!
XXX posted September 1, 2008 at 11:43 am
“The biggest nic-switcher of all accuses someone else of nic-switching.
The blog a$$hole strikes again.”
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Multi-nic’d Regular even changed his Typekey registration so that he could steal J M Walker’s nic.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Read the rest of my post, Reg…would you want a woman in charge who doesn’t even know how to prevent a pregnancy at her age, especailly knowing what the risks are?
We need someone with common sense back in the White House.
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So what?
How many good families have you known in your lifetime where a daughter has become pregnant?
Did the parents plan it to be that way due to bad parenting?
Your argument is weak and your assertion is wrong.
Canceling the Republican Convention events is a stroke of great luck for the Grand Old Party.
They won’t have to trot out the grey-haired old man, the light-on-experience-TV-talking-head-beauty-pageant-contestant-governor and the knocked-up 17-year-old so all can see what a ridiculous ticket they have.
PreD, many pieces of the Palin/pregnancy story really don’t add up. This is going to get interesting very soon. I wonder what Jon Stewart is going to do with this story?
Just wanted to throw this in from yesterday’s chicking fighting thread.
Last year the world killed and ate 44 billion chickens so I would suggest that concern over a few chickens killed in cockfights is irrational.
Well Regular, just of the top of my head, ever hear of the Mennonites? How about the Church of the Brethern? Fellowship of Friends? Any of the historic peace churches? They all have their own disaster relief organizations. The whole idea of these groups is to put their faith into action, no dropping of dimes in a bucket and calling it a day. I gave up 2 weeks a few years ago to help build homes for families that got wiped out in a tornado. Does that count as dropping a dime in the bucket and calling it a day? The point I was making, not all chistians are concervative, and the study you cited doesn’t exclude liberal christians. So practice your mastigation techniques on that.
Regular, you don’t get it…many of my liberal friends do all the things you mentioned also. You can’t judge what people do or don’t do according to data kept…much of it’s off the record. Most of my friends who are generous with their time and money don’t do it through church organizations and the like.
Gotta go.
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beber
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
Just wanted to throw this in from yesterday’s chicking fighting thread.
Last year the world killed and ate 44 billion chickens so I would suggest that concern over a few chickens killed in cockfights is irrational.
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Roosters are tough and stringy, they deserve to die. :D
Only capons are worth eating. :)
Which by the way, charitable work is difficult to measure, because it is mostly unpaid volunteerism.
My point exactly.
“How many good families have you known in your lifetime where a daughter has become pregnant?
Did the parents plan it to be that way due to bad parenting?
Your argument is weak and your assertion is wrong.”
READ my post, Reg…I’M TALKING ABOUT PALIN HERSELF..not her daughter!
There will be much news about Palin, everything is on the table and should be. There is a very short time for the public to know about her. If her youngest son is a political ploy she gets to use, then why should her oldest daughter be off limits? I thought family and family values was part of her appeal? And much has been made of her pro-lie stance, this would be another example of new life just as the child born last April.
If McCain had chosen someone Americans knew about, someone with a record, someone qualified to step in and be president the news media’s job would have been easier. Everyone competent, qualified and capable had already been vetted.
I remember when I painted one of my disabled patient’s apartment and asked for volunteers on this very blog…not one “conservative” offered to help me! JR was the only one who even offered.
Blaidd,
The only “national” I’d seen until the announcment (here) of Bristol’s pregancy was from Andrew Sullivan yesterday.
Not sure when the Palin family would have made the announcement about Bristol if the son/grandson question hadn’t been raised. They’be been keeping her in the background more than the forefront. She’s the one who has been caring for Trig most of the time on the campaign trail.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink
Which by the way, charitable work is difficult to measure, because it is mostly unpaid volunteerism.
My point exactly.
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Your “point exactly” what?
That the financial aspects of volunteer work is hard to quantify monetarily?
I don’t think you won anything here predestined.
Sorry, you’re not getting out of this that easily, but making a statement of nonsense.
“The reason being, is that conservative Christians don’t just stop at putting a dime in the bucket.”
Liberals don’t want to be bothered by dropping a dime. They’ rather the government take their money and decide whom to give it to.
Plus, it’s much easier to say, “I gave at the office”, than to get involved.
To a Con, generosity is a tax deduction; to a working man, generosity is a sacrifice.
Have a good one everybody!
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink
“How many good families have you known in your lifetime where a daughter has become pregnant?
Did the parents plan it to be that way due to bad parenting?
Your argument is weak and your assertion is wrong.”
READ my post, Reg…I’M TALKING ABOUT PALIN HERSELF..not her daughter!
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I read your post Mary and my point still stands.
How many good families do you know in your lifetime have had pregnant teenage daughters?
Stuff happens, it has nothing to do with the parents. At that age, the decision making process is pretty much up to the teenager.
If they make a poor decision and get pregnant and that is not their intention, then it was a personal choice by the teenager.
Your argument is weak Mary and your points lay splayed out in your own confusion.
lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Take a look, a close look, at Regular’s posts. Is this what bi-polar looks like?
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Ummmm… yep…. pretty much!!
Hey Chas, our old buddy Regular, has already accused me today of being you.
Am I you and really don’t know?
Welcome to Alaska, Trig Paxson Van Palin
by Lori Tipton, NBC NEWS, KTUU.cOM
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin gave birth to her fifth child at about 6:30 a.m. Friday morning.
Trig Paxson Van Palin was born at Mat-Su Regional Hospital about one month before he was scheduled to arrive.
Trig Palin weighs six pounds, two ounces.
A press release from the governor’s office says Palin and her new son are both “doing well and resting comfortably.”
cont’d at:
http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8194634
Of course, all the Libs will claim the OB-GYN Doctors and Nurses present at the birth are just lying.
Blaidd_Drwg69, thats o.k., he accused me of being all the liberal posters on this board. I guess that means I am not only Chas, but Blaidd_Drwg69 as well. I don’t know how I’m going to keep up with all of this.
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Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Take a look, a close look, at Regular’s posts. Is this what bi-polar looks like?
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Ummmm… yep…. pretty much!!
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No, it’s called I’m particularly cranky today due to pain and lack of sleep. The pain has subsided somewhat because of some heat therapy I applied, but is still there.
But thanks lindainks for accusing me of being mentally ill.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I find your accusation typical of a Liberal grasping for any excuse trying to discount a person and their opinions.
What a sad chimp you are linda.
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
Blaidd_Drwg69, thats o.k., he accused me of being all the liberal posters on this board. I guess that means I am not only Chas, but Blaidd_Drwg69 as well. I don’t know how I’m going to keep up with all of this.
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boohoo! whine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trying being accused every day for two years of being other posters like I was, chump.
What a cry baby you are.
“Plus, it’s much easier to say, “I gave at the office”, than to get involved.” — America pays
There’s more to getting involved than attending a megachurch.
Sorry, you’re not getting out of this that easily, but making a statement of nonsense.
Kinda like your statements of nonsense? Just replying in kind, Reg.
The Rumor about Sarah
The rumors about Gov. Palin’s pregnancy actually being her daughter’s were swirling before John McCain even heard of her, and no professional vetting group for a national politician would have wanted their man to be within light-years of a person with a rumor like that hanging over her head. This seems to confirm speculation, contrary to the more official story, that Palin was, indeed, a last-minute choice for McCain, a choice made without thorough prior investigation of the potential running mate’s background. Regardless of whether or not the rumor about Palin’s child had any truth to it, that rumor had legs. In Palin’s role as governor, it was more or less a “gentlemen’s understanding” that the suspect nature of her story about the child’s parenthood would not be used against her except by malcontents, in somewhat the same way the rumors about John Edwards’ affair were well known, but better journalists and politicians did not talk about the matter.
I had no intention whatsoever of writing about this rumor here at The UnCapitalist Journal because it had the taste of nothing other than sleazy prying into personal, family issues; but then something occurred to me that changed my mind, and I need to point this out: if Palin did, indeed, represent her 16-year-old daughter’s pregnancy as her own, that’s a personal if more than slightly questionable choice; if, however, the baby were represented in public filings (specifically, the application for a birth certificate) as hers when it was actually her daughter’s, we are talking about a criminal act.
If that birth certificate was the evidence for acquiring a Social Security Number for the child, then a federal crime may have been committed, as well.
If the child is not Gov. Palin’s, but she represented it as hers in seeking coverage under her health insurance plan, then she has committed insurance fraud, too.
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1728
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
Sorry, you’re not getting out of this that easily, but making a statement of nonsense.
Kinda like your statements of nonsense? Just replying in kind, Reg.
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You weasel so well predestined.
Lots of practice? :D
“Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink
Former DNC CHIEF: GUSTAV IS A SIGN FROM GOD COMMENT
Fox News”
It was a stupid comment. Just like the Righties claim that Katrina was God’s punishment of gays etc.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink
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libdave
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
Blaidd_Drwg69, thats o.k., he accused me of being all the liberal posters on this board. I guess that means I am not only Chas, but Blaidd_Drwg69 as well. I don’t know how I’m going to keep up with all of this.
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boohoo! whine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trying being accused every day for two years of being other posters like I was, chump.
What a cry baby you are.
I was not talking to you, Regular. If I sound like I’m whining, that was not my intent. As for your school yard taunts and name calling. Yawn.
If she is so inexperienced and so disqualified and her presence on the ticket just spells doom for the McCain campaign why are the farthest among the left pooping themselves in an effort to discredit Palin?
Her nearly 4-month old son is actually that of her six months pregnant daughter?
Now that’s a nifty trick. It’s a vagina, not a clown car.
lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
The Rumor about Sarah
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Trig Palin, son of Governor Palin, was born April 18, 2008.
Governor Palin’s daughter was still pregnant by September 2008.
Now linda, either you just mean-spirited and like repeating vicious rumors or you are just too stupid to figure these things out on your own.
Which is it?
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Mr_Kia
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
If she is so inexperienced and so disqualified and her presence on the ticket just spells doom for the McCain campaign why are the farthest among the left pooping themselves in an effort to discredit Palin?
Her nearly 4-month old son is actually that of her six months pregnant daughter?
Now that’s a nifty trick. It’s a vagina, not a clown car.
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Ha!
You beat me to the punch and in a much more humorous fashion. :)
Maybe multi-nic’d Regular has used so many nics, he thinks most of the other nics on WE Blog are just one person?
Here’s multi-nic’d Regular’s (aka “Republikhan”) post when he stole J M Walker’s nic.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
The last paragraph of multi-nic’s copy/paste is added, fictional BS, because he LIED about the issue earlier, and had no facts to support his false claim.
Lots of practice?
Let’s put it this way. I’ve had lots of practice dealing with a mindless conservative male. I don’t intend to have my words twisted by you any longer.
And you still haven’t read Mary’s post.
“Regular” goes all soft-hearted –
“Stuff happens, it has nothing to do with the parents….”
Really?
Seems like Bristol grew up in a household where she didn’t have enough self-esteem to confide with her mother about her desire to have sex with
Toddher boyfriend.I know a lot of women — CONservatives and liberals — who’ve been good enough parents to have an open and honest relationship with their offspring to avoid Bristol’s plight. Where was the GILF when her daughter needed her? Busy trying to get her brother-in-law fired?
Who is taking care of special-needs newborn Trig while his “family values” mom is on a tour of hurricane photo-ops?
But the bottom line is really that none-of-the-above really matters… EXCEPT as an example of how the mind of John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) works.
What politician in his our her right mind select someone like the GILF (aka “Quayle-Lite”) as the second-best person in America to be a heartbeat away from a septuagenarian cancer-victim Leader of the Free World?
Unless you’ve committed to drinking McCool-Ade you’ve really got to take a step back and wonder WTF?
Yes, cosmos I did that. I even admitted at the time I did that as a joke. I made no attempt to hide it was me that did that. I apologized several times for doing that.
So, what’s your point cosmos, Mr. Environmental terrorist, worshiper at the altar of the Goracle?
Nice try MonkeyHock, but not even in the same league or ballpark.
Go back to talk radio. No wait, you were fired, my bad. :)
Chuckle… A very humorous but devastating comment Mr. Kia.
The lib low lifes that started the rumor that the child was not Sarah Palin’s can go crawl back under their rock for a while.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
Lots of practice?
Let’s put it this way. I’ve had lots of practice dealing with a mindless conservative male. I don’t intend to have my words twisted by you any longer.
And you still haven’t read Mary’s post.
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So that’s why you divorced, you couldn’t communicate with your husband?
Did you try or did you shut him out, just like you are doing me, instead of admitting your errors. :)
Let’s see in 72 hours back on WEBlog I’ve seen it alleged that the Palin baby is actually the Grandson, but no wait. A six-month pregnant daughter. MUST BE the incest in the case of the father.
You are one sick SOB. Enjoy your freedom of speech while you have it. Your Messiah won’t let you keep it for long.
Speaking of lib low lifes.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
“Regular” goes all soft-hearted –
“Stuff happens, it has nothing to do with the parents….”
Really?
Seems like Bristol grew up in a household where she didn’t have enough self-esteem to confide with her mother about her desire to have sex with Todd her boyfriend.
I intend to do my part in beginning the vetting process on McCain’s running mate. Since he was in such a rush to (lack of) judgment, it will take more to get the info about this candidate out in the short time we have. I think it can be done!
What I find so far indicates she will “pale in” comparison to many.
Monkeyhawk,
Making it appear that Todd Palin is the father of Bristol’s baby is in poor taste. If and when the name of the father is announced, all may discover that he’s a typical high school boy. He left an announcement on his MySpace (or was it FaceBook?) page that said: I LOVE BRISTOL PALIN!
Hey, at least the kid cares for her. Maybe the marriage will last. Her parents’ marriage has.
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lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
I intend to do my part in beginning the vetting process on McCain’s running mate. Since he was in such a rush to (lack of) judgment, it will take more to get the info about this candidate out in the short time we have. I think it can be done!
What I find so far indicates she will “pale in” comparison to many.
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So, in your own weasel words, you are confessing to being a mean-spirited liar then.
Welcome to the Liar’s Club – The Democratic Party.
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Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
Monkeyhawk,
Making it appear that Todd Palin is the father of Bristol’s baby is in poor taste. If and when the name of the father is announced, all may discover that he’s a typical high school boy. He left an announcement on his MySpace (or was it FaceBook?) page that said: I LOVE BRISTOL PALIN!
Hey, at least the kid cares for her. Maybe the marriage will last. Her parents’ marriage has.
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Thanks for that post predestined. :)
lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
I intend to do my part in beginning the vetting process on McCain’s running mate.
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Then stick to some issues. Debate the legitimacy of the so-called “trooper gate”.
Leave the cheap shots at disabled children and unplanned pregnancies to the trolls.
You’re better than that.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 1, 2008 at 12:46 pm
“So, what’s your point cosmos, Mr. Environmental terrorist, worshiper at the altar of the Goracle?”
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My points were that you’re a nic-switcher, and a liar. Thank you for confirming my points.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-418/#comment-333487
Will someone please post a count of the personal insults and rude names Regular has used against his fellow bloggers already today? I can’t bear to go back over them to count, but he is on a nasty roll today.
“you’re better than that” — Mr. Kia
But Mr. Kia sure as hell ain’t.
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DavidB
Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Will someone please post a count of the personal insults and rude names Regular has used against his fellow bloggers already today? I can’t bear to go back over them to count, but he is on a nasty roll today.
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I’m a wounded animal in pain today.
Cross me and I’ll rip your throat out.
Have a nice day! :D
“Mr_Kia” posted –
“It’s a vagina, not a clown car.”
Okay. That’s funny.
But the past several days’ rumors and gossip coming out of Alaska are pretty easy to trace and understand now that we’ve learned Bristol will no longer be wearing her “I Gave My Word to Stop at 3rd” t-shirt.
The real issue is why would any reasonable politician in the year 2008 lean into the left-hook of all of the GILF’s problems if he knew better? And why didn’t he know better?
And if he knew about the GILF’s closet skeletons, just what about her transcends the obvious political pitfalls? What about her makes her — in McC*nt’s opinion — the second-best person on the planet to lead the Free World?
Just a blogger like all of us who lives in Alaska.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/
lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:05 pm | Permalink
Just a blogger like all of us who lives in Alaska.
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Who cares?
You’ve already admitted today that you like passing on lies and disguised it under “vetting.”
It’s still lying.
Welcome to the party of Liars – The Democratic Party
“A couple months ago, Scientists and Engineers for America, Science Debate 2008, and a bunch of other science organizations sent McCain, Obama, and all the Congressional candidates a bunch of questions on science and technology. Topics included biosecurity, genetics research, and national security, as well as the more common questions on research and education. Well, Senator Obama just answered.
Senator McCain has not responded to the questionnaire at this point in time, but the site has a profile of his views and actions relating to science policy, which provides a good basis for comparing the candidates’ stances. We’ve previously discussed the differences between the two candidates’ technology platforms. According to a recent NPR story, both candidates intend to keep politics out of science.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/31/167244
Okay libs and liars (sorry, they both mean the same thing;
Out of here for awhile.
What you are doing today (lying) is the reason why you will lose the election.
Americans do not like liars.
They would rather vote for a cranky old dude, that is truthful, that is backed by conservative people than one ‘change’ candidate who has no plans and backed by liars.
Don’t be crying in November when you lose, because of your lies.
DavidB,
Mult-nic’d Regular has to post personal insults, because he does not have facts to support his invalid claims and opinions.
For example, multi-nic’d Regular falsely claimed: “The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
Here are some examples of multi-nic’d Regular’s proof(sic) of that false claim.
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“cosmos gasbagging his way to more one liners of attack. It’s not a wonder that cosmos large intestines are the size of fire hose and just as deadly with the expulsion of stinky fumes.”
“I have no idea why cosmos has such a ‘hard on’ for the Sierra Club. Maybe he’s a local president of them, I don’t know. But he’s definetely in butt lust with them.”
“Yet more of cosmos denials and lies and his incessant lustful butt thrusting about the Sierra Club.
Once again, cosmos changes his story to suit the occasion. An incessant liar and toe licker for the Sierra Club.”
“I wonder if cosmos attentions to the Sierra Club involve courtship or is it just a straight illicit affair?”
“I’m a wounded animal in pain today.”
Good! May your suffering continue and increase. I’m smiling thinking about it.
I still am trying to figure out all the negatives of her candidacy.
-At 44 she has a baby with down syndrome?
-Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant? Having chosen to keep the child and marry the father – basically walking the walk of her pro-life views
-She wanted a law enforcement officer fired who had threatened to kill his ex-wife?
-She’s from a small town and has held a short-term of Governor of a small state in population. This embodies change. She’s not in bed with special interests. She’s held some kind of elected office much longer than Senator Obama has.
You guys better be nice to regular or hes gonna start channeling his hero BTK
You guys better be nice to regular or hes gonna start channeling his hero BTK
Blaidd — I’m sure glad I’m not you… I couldnt spell your nic!! LOL
“-At 44 she has a baby with down syndrome?”
A choice SHE made that she would deny others in the same situation. This candidate has even stated that if her own daughter were RAPED she would want the child born.
“-Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant?”
Before she is in a position of telling others how to live she should see to her own family.
“-She wanted a law enforcement officer fired who had threatened to kill his ex-wife?”
She USED her government office to conduct a personal vendetta.
“She’s not in bed with special interests.”
We know this how?
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/31/167244
Thanks for the link, Linda.
For those who actually visit Slashland, I highly recommend reading the original article to which they linked (unlike, alas, many of the Slashdot regulars).
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Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
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DavidB
Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Will someone please post a count of the personal insults and rude names Regular has used against his fellow bloggers already today? I can’t bear to go back over them to count, but he is on a nasty roll today.
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I’m a wounded animal in pain today.
Cross me and I’ll rip your throat out.
Have a nice day! :D
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I am SO scared. Reg, Wango jr, threatens those who cross him. Every lib in Kansas is now quaking in their boots. I think I’ll get me an ice cream. Maybe phart while I’m at it.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 29, 2008
Shocking Choice by John McCain
WASHINGTON– Senator John McCain just announced his choice for running mate: Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska. To follow is a statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.
“Senator McCain’s choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.
“Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska’s coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.
“This is Senator McCain’s first significant choice in building his executive team and it’s a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain’s commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil.”
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The Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund provides a powerful voice in Washington to Americans who value our conservation heritage. Through grassroots lobbying, issue advocacy and political campaigns, the Action Fund champions those laws and lawmakers that protect wildlife and wild places while working against those that do them harm.
http://www.defendersactionfund.org
She USED her government office to conduct a personal vendetta.
Would appear to be so. At any rate, this is issue is not about trying to get the guy fired. From what I gather that was previously attempted, openly, and she didn’t succeed.
The issue is whether a state official–his boss–was pressured to ignore personnel rules and fire the guy anyway, and thus fired for illegal and improper reasons. Period.
It in no way relies upon a presumption of angelic behavior on the part of the obnoxious ex-brother-in-law. It’s about following the rules, without which the governor could order the firing of anyone at any time for any reason. And get away with it.
If Palin can demonstrate that the guy she fired was canned for proper and documented reasons, the scandal ends. Otherwise, this is a problem for her (and McCain). And should be one.
Regular
Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
I’m a wounded animal in pain today.
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Good!
Linda,
I see you found mudflats! I was going to post the link and decided the blog owner didn’t need the grief of the likes of Regular there. ;)
There’s another similar to it.
“She’s not in bed with special interests.”
We know this how?
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Burden of proof lies with the accuser.
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“-She wanted a law enforcement officer fired who had threatened to kill his ex-wife?”
She USED her government office to conduct a personal vendetta.
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So you don’t have a problem of a spousal-abuser being in law enforcement? Quite the champion of Women’s Rights.
“-At 44 she has a baby with down syndrome?”
A choice SHE made that she would deny others in the same situation. This candidate has even stated that if her own daughter were RAPED she would want the child born.
“-Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant?”
Before she is in a position of telling others how to live she should see to her own family.
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Ultimately the liberal agenda come down to one thing, killing babies.
So you don’t have a problem of a spousal-abuser being in law enforcement? Quite the champion of Women’s Rights.
You’re necessarily implying either that (a)the rules were broken to keep this guy employed, or, (b)it’s okay to break the rules to fire him.
Which is it?
Mr Kia?
If you do not like abortion, don’t get one.
The trooper himself? Should have been fired and charges should have been brought against him.
Public Safety Commissioner? Showed poor judgement in keeping such a trooper employed. Was offered a different position. Declined and was fired which would certainly fit in the Governors responsibility as CEO of the state.
Mr. Kia,
What you don’t seem to understand is that liberals want women to have a choice. Sarah Palin had choice and chose not to abort. In a similar situation, when I was offered genetic testing for the same reason (pregnant at 37 and the chance of Downs Syndrome), I turned it down, knowing I wouldn’t abort.
Banning abortion is only one side of the spectrum. The other is forced birth. Choice is in the middle. I’m pretty convinced you wouldn’t be for forced brith.
Banning abortion would not stop it and would lead to an even worse situation. Obviously, I’m not anti-abortion, but neither am I pro-abortion.
Women only ask that they are given the right to make their own decision.
So you don’t have a problem of a spousal-abuser being in law enforcement?
Has it been determined this is fact? If you have something other than allegations, I’d be happy to see it.
There’s a lot of spousal abuse that goes on in law enforcement. You might be surprised at how much.
Mr Kia?
If your daughter or sister or wife were raped?
Should they be forced to carry a resulting pregnancy to term?
I’ve been thinking about how strange this story keepd getting. There are just too many bizarre items to ignore. And now it comes out that the very girl just so happens to be exactly as pregnant as the boy is old.
How convenient.
I’m going to keep beating a dead horse here. Something is amiss. And I kept thinking, why exactly would someone go through so many hoops to hide something like this?
It has to do with a comment I offhandedly made yesterday.
Fraud. Falsification of Documents.
can you imagine how many people would be in big trouble? Not to mention how dumb the McCain camp would look.
I guess I’m going to spin off into the realm of conspiracy theorist, but how sad is it that I can believe the worst of a political party? I guess it has to do with at one time I didn’t believe an American President of any party would send Americans to die for a war based on lies. Or that I’d have to defend against torturing human beings in the United States… Or that I’d have to actually defend a constitutional right to be free from spying by our own government.
So folks, I’m just not putting anything by anyone anymore. Not when there is so much at stake.
Poor Bristol. Welcome to Chelsea Clinton’s life.
“but how sad is it that I can believe the worst of a political party?” — p.m.
No trick at all for you p.m.
As far as the spousal abuse goes, I don’t believe the trooper was ever charged. Firing someone over unproven allegations might be what Republicans would do, but it’s not what Christians would do, nor people who follow the law.
Showed poor judgement in keeping such a trooper employed.
Even if this were so (was it so? as I recall, the proceedings in this matter were said and done before he became public safety commissioner), it would be still be an obvious conflict of interest.
If Palin thought he was doing that bad a job, it wouldn’t be based on one decision in which she had a personal interest, nor would you see multiple persons close to her–and once again, completely outside of the proper mechanisms of government, to do it or else!
Yet you’re arguing that giving the guy the “choice” or ending his career or quitting (the method typically used at that level to fire people), is somehow a logical, proper decision by a state official. And based on the minimal facts we have (which don’t make the guv look good at all.
I would advise you never to work in governmnent, KIA, but if you do, avoid management, and especially stay out of political positions.
You’ll get indicted in no time, and will completely deserve it.
Mr_Kia,
Would you call a total of 2,000-acres (a little over 3 square miles) of gravel, scattered in small sections across 1.5 MILLION acres of tundra a “little 2,000 acre plot of land”?
That’s what McCain’s running mate calls those widespread, scattered sections of gravel.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/427xjuoj.asp
“One of the pieces of a solution is allowing exploration on that little 2,000 acre plot of land out of the 20 million acres up there in the coastal plain.”
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The truth. “Exploration” would be allowed on nearly all of the 1.5 MILLION acres of the coastal plain.
2,000-acres is a “limit” on the total amount of tundra that can be buried under gravel for “production” oil facilities. Roads and gravel mines are exempt from the “limit”.
‘Drilling in the Arctic Refuge: The 2,000-Acre Footprint Myth
Oil development would stamp a spiderweb of industrial sprawl across the whole of the refuge’s 1.5-million-acre coastal plain.’
http://www.nrdc.org/land/wilderness/artech/farc2000.asp
Friday when one of the men who wants to lead America announced this woman as his running mate I said I was seething, and promised to work harder, to be more involved.
For me, this goes directly to the (lack of) judgment of McCain, to the fact that he puts his ambitions ahead of our country.
I am fed up to “here,” with judgment that is poor, gambling with the lives of innocents, decisions made on gut feelings than with due diligence. It has been proven there was NO vetting of this “choice.”
No matter how often the “talking points” of her experience are repeated anyone with common sense knows she is not ready to be president and that is one requirement of the VP.
This is because McCain put our country LAST — far behind his pandering, his ego, and in doing so proved he can’t be trusted.
Palin has all the right body parts which makes her female ONLY, they are in an attractive configuration which makes her attractive ONLY. Much needs to be learned! Where we’ve had ample opportunity to learn the pros and cons of other candidates in a direct line to be leader of our free world, the same opportunity to know who Palin is, what are the pros and cons.
I know someone in her position should be held to at least a standard we would hold any “applicant” to, and the time is short!
I totally agree, PMom! Something is still very “fishy” about this story. The pictures of a very obvious pregnant young girl were taken at the end of 2007. The “dates” and the “how far alongs” are always said in “abouts.” And who hasn’t heard of two babies being born close together?
Linda / PMama —- What is the liklihood of a woman breaking water, giving a 30 minute speech at a meeting, and then flying from Texas, BACK to Alaska, and then giving birth the next morning??
I mean, you are females… help me out here… That just doesnt sound right!!
But…. I’m just a guy….
I mean, even if she SITS DOWN to give the speech!!!
A better question is WHAT woman who loves her children would do that? Dallas has excellent hospitals and doctors, the plane trip stopped in both Seattle and Anchorage. Take a look at the time line here:
http://www.thelowbar.com/2008/09/palin-pregnancy-timeline.html?widgetType=BlogArchive&widgetId=BlogArchive1&action=toggle&dir=close&toggle=YEARLY-1199174400000&toggleopen=WEEKLY-1220166000000
I think it’s unusual for a 5th labor to be that long, I know it is extremely poor judgment to endanger your child by not seeking medical care after amniotic fluid begins leaking.
But, she and McCain don’t seem to have as much judgment as they do ambitions.
No Chas the whole story stinks. I’m telling you there is something wrong there.
“You can’t have a fish picker from Texas,” said Todd.
I’m sure all this will go over well with the people in Texas. :)
He’s right. His is the measured, correct, adult response. I will not post on this subject again. I will not stop trying to find out who Palin is, what she has been, what she thinks and what her agenda is.
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Obama Says Palin Pregnancy “Off Limits”
Barack Obama addressed a gaggle of reporters this afternoon to discuss the latest goings-on with Hurricane Gustav. After brief opening comments on the much-hyped, overly politicized hurricane, reporters were curious about one thing: 17-year-old Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, made public today.
“I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics,” the Democrat said forcefully. “It has no relevance to Governor Palin’s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a VP. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he continued.
The candidate who himself was born to a teenage mom, reminded reporters, “You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and you know teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off limits.”
When asked about an “unnamed McCain advisor” accusing the Obama campaign of spreading despicable rumors surrounding Bristol Palin online, Obama interrupted the reporter mid-question. “I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us,” he said directly. “Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that it was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that – they’d be fired,” he added.
With that, Obama boarded his airport-bound bus to head to Milwaukee for a rally.
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/01/obama-says-palin-pregnancy-off-limits/
I get some bad vibes about Alaska’s governor. There’s a lot of muck surrounding her, and although there are plenty of people in the state who think she’s the next best thing to sliced bread (Republicans), there are also many who think someone left the loaf in the oven and it burned (some of them Republicans, too). [This has absolutely nothing to do with buns in the oven. ;)]
Similar to our friend Dubya, she says things that later she’s forced to backpedal on. The Bridge to Nowhere appears to be one of these, in addition to Troopergate. She was for it before she was agin’ it. All one has to do to find out about this and other political stuff is to read Alaskan newspapers. Like I said, those 8 MIS (men in suits) who are up there to (finally) vet her, are in for some reading.
And maybe some surprises.
lindainks55
Posted September 1, 2008 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
He’s right. His is the measured, correct, adult response. I will not post on this subject again. I will not stop trying to find out who Palin is, what she has been, what she thinks and what her agenda is.
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Obama Says Palin Pregnancy “Off Limits”
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Of course he’s right.
It’s also exactly what myself and other posters have been trying to tell you as well.
Americans won’t vote for dirty politicians who are backed by liars.
Predestined,
Indeed. The Palin Freakshow will go on blowing up in McCain’s face until such time as it necessary for Palin to withdraw her name in order to “spend more time with her family.”
As others (notably dday at Digby’s place) have noted, the pick was designed to bring Dobson and the Fundo zombies on board, which it surely has done. But the blowback is that it also opens the Pandora’s Box of an apparently unvetted nutcase of a candidate letting it all hang out for the national media.
And the ultimate blowback is that it showcases John McCain’s colossal lack of judgment in placing a proxy James Dobson on the GOP’s ticket, as well as his total lack of fixed views regarding anything, particularly those who, in the past, he would have attacked as “agents of intolerance.” It also shows him in the creepiest possible light. Referring to Palin as his “soulmate?” Wonder how Cindy McCain feels about that.
Earlier, I called John McCain the Little Admiral for his attempted showboating down on the Gulf Coast. With the self-inflicted wound that keeps on giving (namely, the Palin nomination), I’d say he’s getting smaller all the time.
Obama doesn’t understand who and what he is up against. The cons are not to be handled with kid gloves.
“I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off limits.”
Well that leaves me out. I don’t support Barack Obama.
I also do not want to lose to John McCain and the con thugs.
Oh. Did I mention that the CBS poll has Obama / Biden up over McCain / Palin, 48% to 40%?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/01/opinion/polls/main4405106.shtml
And did I mention that Sarah Palin evidently has retained a lawyer in advance of her sworn depositions in the Troopergate Case?
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_hires_lawyer_for_trooper.php
There really is no fool like an old fool; or, in this case, an old, old fool.
Blue Jay,
Obama doesn’t need to do anything; Palin’s self-destruction is going to take McCain’s reputation and credibility down with her.
Given that Obama has forced the GOP to blow their politics of personal destruction wad, has elicited this fatal misfire of a VP pick from a desperate John McCain, all while continuing to increase his margin, I’d say you are the one who doesn’t know what Obama is up against.
Blue Jay,
It’s like I wrote to Boxlock the Clueless the other day: Obama held his fire until Thursday night, when an audience of 40+ million people (71% of the viewing audience that night according to Nielsen) saw him knock out McCain with one precisely delivered blow. He played McCain like a fiddle. It was a thing of beauty to see, really.
The Republicans are toast, and they know it. Boy do they know it. How many more desperation moves does McCain get to make before all vestiges of his credibility are gone? Republicans aren’t going to stand by him if he goes on embarrasing them.
And when Palin has to withdraw because McCain no longer can afford to be seen as a laughingstock, how do you think all the Fundo zombies he tried to bring on board are going to feel about THAT? Or, even if she DOES stay on the ticket, how is the presence of the Dobson Nutjob Fundos going to play with the non-insane wing of the GOP, to say nothing of the indepedents that McCain is trying to court?
If you don’t see how impossible McCain’s situation is, Blue Jay, that reflects more about what you’re bringing with you than anything about what’s there.
While I agree with Barack Obama that the family is off limits, I still can’t be put off with that trip from Texas to Alaska. That has to do with Sarah Palin’s judgment. Apparently there are a LOT of people that agree with me. http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=3422
But I’ll lay off that for now. :)
According to reports I’ve read, the people of Alaska were glad to see someone running against Murkowski and happy when she beat him in the primary. It was an “anybody but Murkowski” kind of thing. But things went south quickly and it’s beginning to look like the new gov is Murkowski-lite. Which begs the question, are all republicans in Alaska on the take?
Predestined,
That would be a yes.
It’s indicative that Sarah Palin took no time whatsoever to become precisely what she said that she hated.
Thye governor’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it’s really nobody’s business beyond that.
I happen to agree.
Well, CF2K, as they say, doing the kind of thing McCain has done concerning his VP works well when you’re ahead, but it can be a killer when you aren’t.
Interesting analysis CF. Of course, it is based on nothing more than conjecture and the way you really hope things turn out.
When faced with a less than attractive reality, I’ve heard that… ahem, fantasizing, can help.
KSGolfnut, I think that’s what I’ve already said upthread or at least tried to say. Interesting and titillating as it’s all been for the past couple of days, Bristol’s pregnancy is nothing out of the norm.
I’m sure you and others would say the same if this had happened to Chelsea Clinton.
Americans won’t vote for dirty politicians who are backed by liars.
?????
G.W. got elected twice. Or was it selected?
Since conjecture is the method of the madness today; I can imagine the admiration a lot of women in tough circumstances are going to have for Palin as they find out more. Mom of five, one handicapped, a pregnant unmarried daughter, and still able to handle the job of reformist state governor and now VP candidate.
If she is able to carry it off well.
CF I was the first person to suggest that the Sarah Palin choice would not survive the convention.
But along came a hurricane and the cons pathetic, faux, patronizing attempt to turn their political convention into some kind of compassion telethon.
SO, the party and the convention are not going to doom Palin. In fact the hurricane gives the cons the excuse to keep other liabilities like george bush and dick cheney at arms length.
Obama runs a risk by calling the dogs off Sarah Palin’s heels.
There is a very real risk that if Palin survives the convention, SHE may get the media pass that (my opinion) Obama got.
Nothing Chelsea Clinton says or does (or did) is relative to this or any election – unless she’s running in it.
I think the same has held true for most national campaigns – save one moment four years ago during the VP debate when Edwards brought up the fact that Cheney’s daughter is gay.
And that didn’t turn out too well for him.
Junior,
You’re backpedalin’
That would be the Kennedy family’s business too, whenever one of their children get into a bit of drug trouble, or that would be the Gore family’s business too, when a son gets arrested for speeding and a bit of pot is found in his pocket — oh I could go on all day.
outlander,
There are pros and cons to all you listed, and it will depend on each person to decide from their own POV. It’s very difficult for women to balance a family and a normal job. It takes a lot of help from other family members (other children, husbands, parents and in-laws and more).
If, indeed, McCain wins in November, we’ll see if Gov. Palin can balance the stresses and duties of the job and her family. For the record, I’m not saying she can’t. I also don’t count this type of discussion as “personal”, not when there is such a huge number of women all over the country who are or have been working mothers. Whether this will add another “crown” to Sarah Palin’s bio, I guess we’ll see.
Hey, kids can be an embarrassment in all walks of life!
As for Palin, she’s a mother who safely delivered a baby. Nothing happened, so her judgement isn’t in question. She was right. All that crap about her is just mean bullshit.
Every working Mom I’ve ever known has said it would sure be nice to have a wife. When the challenges are great it’s good to laugh!
Nowadays Fathers play a more involved role in the family — the responsibilities of home and child rearing. It’s more a shared job than in years past.
Gotta admit the job Sarah Palin is applying for is one of extraordinary challenges! If she can be both VP and Mom without one suffering she deserves everyone’s praise!
Al Gore III, 24, was driving a blue Toyota Prius about 100 mph on the San Diego Freeway when he was pulled over at about 2:15 a.m., Sheriff’s Department spokesman Jim Amormino said.
The deputies said they smelled marijuana and searched the car, Amormino said. They found less than an ounce of marijuana along with Xanax, Valium, Vicodin and Adderall, which is used for attention deficit disorder, he said.
MSNBC
Al Gore III, was an adult.
You lose again.
As for Palin, she’s a mother who safely delivered a baby.
Perhaps only by the grace of God.
Sorry, Beber, but she took risks most mothers wouldn’t, so I disagree. Just ask any woman who has given birth. I’m not going to beat this to death, but I’m not going to let comments like yours go by either.
Last time I checked an Arrest occured for something illegal.
A Pregnancy occurs another kind of way.
I’m sad the public school system failed some of you so miserably.
I really love being married to a man who takes his duties as a husband, father, housekeeper, worker, just as equally as I do.
It equals out the stress. I look at working as my chance to get to be all that I can be, and my kids get more time with dad.
The family unit has become all people involved sharing responsibility. The kids have to be more responsible as well.
Do you think the Beav ever had to learn how to cook or clean a stain with June around? And I don’t recall ever seeing Ward scrub a toilet.
Just spoke with a Palin ’supporter’ and when told the story she said “you can stop right there, no woman on her 5th kid is flying in an airplane after her water broke”.
She didn’t even need to hear the rest- already believes its crap too.
Care to answer my earlier question Kia?
Do you believe that a pregnancy as a result of rape should be carried to term?
Do we do away with the tests for damaged pregnancies? If not, do we FORCE a woman to carry a damaged pregnancy to term? Then what? Send law enforcement to force her to care for a child she does not want?
Sarah Palin made a choice. She would take that choice away from others by act of law. We already SEE that she will use elective office for her own personal agenda.
You cons constantly bemoan “nanny” government.
How can you justify a woman who has nannies for her baby while SHE would tell others how to live?
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Political_mama
Posted September 1, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink
Just spoke with a Palin ’supporter’ and when told the story she said “you can stop right there, no woman on her 5th kid is flying in an airplane after her water broke”.
She didn’t even need to hear the rest- already believes its crap too.
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Wasn’t aware that you or your friend were board certified obstetricians.
As far as I know, the biggest risk after “your water breaks” is infection.
If precautions were taken, you normally have 24 hours to deliver the baby safely. Dunno for sure, just what I learned in advanced medical training in safety.
BlueJay
Posted September 1, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Care to answer my earlier question Kia?
Do you believe that a pregnancy as a result of rape should be carried to term?
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Rape is not relevant in discussing the Palin case.
If you want to start a thread on abortion, go do it somewhere else.
Bill Maher or Jon Stewart (OR BOTH!) have writers working overtime on this entire political season, don’t they? This does seem like a whole season of political comedy and satire! Or is it just more proof that truth really is stranger than fiction? From the “git go” has there ever been more turns and twists and shake your head moments?
You may be surprised to learn James “Regular” that you do not hold editorial fiat over me or anyone else.
“The candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant.
Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother’s life was in danger. When it came to her daughter, she said, “I would choose life.”
Fine. Her choice.
I do not care to have her making that choice for everyone else.
These libertards that just foam at the mouth over the abortion issue are comical.
Abortion will never be illegal again in the entire United States.
In the event Roe v. Wade was overturned by the Supreme Court, it becomes a state by state issue, which in my opinion just about all social issues should be (exception would be civil rights.).
I wonder why no one has put up a “convention thread?” Could it be because it’s a holiday? Everyone who works does indeed deserve a day to celebrate their labors! Antiques Roadshow is great, as always, but I do intend to tune in the convention when it ends.
Attention!! Attention!! There is not ONE subject on this Blog that Regular has not had some kind of training in…. including, apparently, obstetrics and baby delivery….
All Hail the annointed one of Knowledge!!
/sarcasm off
51-year old host of the national news program, Democracy Now! was arrested outside the Republican convention for the apparent crime of interviewing protesters.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/352466/amy_goodman_others_detained_outside_rnc
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/loophole/archive/2008/09/democracy_now_host_amy_goodman.shtml
Before the convention the Republican thugs had homes of people raided for the simple reason that they were planning on peacefully protesting the convention. Now they have moved onto arresting reporters for covering the convention without having any preconceived bias the way corporate media does.
Republicans just showing how much they hate America and fear the people and outbreaks of Democracy.
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Chas
Posted September 1, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink
Attention!! Attention!! There is not ONE subject on this Blog that Regular has not had some kind of training in…. including, apparently, obstetrics and baby delivery….
All Hail the annointed one of Knowledge!!
/sarcasm off
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Jealous Chas?
No, I don’t know anything about pregnancy other than the basics of emergency care. I had to take several courses because sometimes in a plant there is no nurse or a physician to take care of the workers. Having a Safety officer who is trained in emergency medical technical training is a decided plus. Disaster training is part of my specialty as well, so knowing the basics of emergency medical care is a must.
I took the primers to EMT, two courses, Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Basic Life support. Was supposed to take a trauma course, but the director putting it on got ill and it never came about. To qualify for all of that I had to take anatomy, physiology, microbiology, etc. etc. – courses common to medical professions.
So yes Chas, I’m very well rounded and grounded in education. Be jealous, it’s your problem not mine.
But you would be lucky if I was on a desert island with you, as I’m also trained in survival, water safety in addition to medical technician training.
BTW, if I would have taken that trauma course, I would have qualified to take the LPN certification. :) (I think after I did some clinical courses, never really looked into it)
Multi-nic’d Regular also claims to be the expert on the New Orleans levee failures (Katrina).
I wonder how many swamp animals and died to Gustav cosmos?
Were they wiped from the map by tidal surges? :D
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 1, 2008 at 5:39 pm
“Rape is not relevant in discussing the Palin case.
If you want to start a thread on abortion, go do it somewhere else.”
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Rape is very relevant in discussing Palin’s opposition to abortion.
And this is the “Open” thread.
How’s your chap stick holding out cosmos? All that butt smooching you do on the GORAClE has to be rough on your lips. :cool:
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 1, 2008 at 7:37 pm
“How’s your chap stick holding out cosmos? All that butt smooching you do on the GORAClE has to be rough on your lips.”
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Thank you multi-nic’d, for proving my 1:16 pm post was accurate.
“Mult-nic’d Regular has to post personal insults, because he does not have facts to support his invalid claims and opinions.”
Mr_Kia,
Don’t you support Palin? Aren’t you going to answer my question?
Would you call a total of 2,000-acres (a little over 3 square miles) of gravel, scattered in small sections across 1.5 MILLION acres of tundra a “little 2,000 acre plot of land”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-91-2/#comment-414618
I’m not here to play into your little games.
I’m here to offer an opinion when I can.
In the debate of drilling in ANWAR I don’t think you could have a better person on your team than Sara Palin. Basically a life long resident of the state. Her husband works in the oil industry there.
I’d trust her opinion on the subject more than anyone else.
“If precautions were taken, you normally have 24 hours to deliver the baby safely. Dunno for sure, just what I learned in advanced medical training in safety.” [Regular]
Hmmmm…. when pressed on the matter, Regular only claims “basic” knowledge… rather than “Advnced Medidal Training in safety”
Amazing!!!
. Her husband works in the oil industry there.
I’d trust her opinion on the subject more than anyone else.
And you see no conflict of interest there either? Nothing about that just might skew her opinion a bit?
Wow.
That’s kinda like relying on Operation Rescue to get objective scientific information about abortion.
Mr_Kia posted September 1, 2008 at 7:56 pm
“In the debate of drilling in ANWAR I don’t think you could have a better person on your team than Sara Palin. Basically a life long resident of the state. Her husband works in the oil industry there.
I’d trust her opinion on the subject more than anyone else.”
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Okay. . . so Mr_Kia prefers to believe Palin’s falsehoods, instead of the truth.
A map of Palin’s “little 2,000 acre plot of land”,
http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html
btw Mr_Kia, it’s ANWR, not ANWAR.
Short for ARCTIC NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE.
Maggotpunk, the arrest of Amy Goodman (and the two reporters before that) is outrageous. So was the arrest of Brian Ross of ABC at the DNC.
I think this comment sums up my view of current circumstances best:
well the police state is finally coming to corporate media.
alternative media has been suffering this type of overpolicing for years.
http://blogs.courant.com/roger_catlin_tv_eye/2008/08/abc-reporter-arrested.html
But notice how this little press the Goodman abduction is getting.
Kia, first of all, Ms. Palin is not a lifelong resident… Secondly, I would think her level of expertise would be highly dependent on who is buttering her bread, and which side of the bread is being buttered…
Seems to me her biggest political influence comes from Sen. Stevens… and we all know how reliable that old fox can be…. :roll:
What’s your point Cos?
Chas
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
“If precautions were taken, you normally have 24 hours to deliver the baby safely. Dunno for sure, just what I learned in advanced medical training in safety.” [Regular]
Hmmmm…. when pressed on the matter, Regular only claims “basic” knowledge… rather than “Advnced Medidal Training in safety”
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Yes, EMT training is somewhat advanced as opposed to basic first aid and basic medical training.
Mr_Kia prefers to believe the wife of an oil roughneck who works for BP in Alaska, instead of the U.S. Geological Survey.
‘Potential Impacts of Oil and Gas Development on Refuge Resources’
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
According to the U.S. Geological Survey, possible oil reserves may be located in many small accumulations in complex geological formations, rather than in one giant field as was discovered at Prudhoe Bay. Consequently, development in the 1002 Area could likely require a large number of small production sites spread across the Refuge landscape, connected by an infrastructure of roads, pipelines, power plants, processing facilities, loading docks, dormitories, airstrips, gravel pits, utility lines and landfills.”
Kia(or whoever you are), the point is quite simple —- find out where she gets her support, and you will find out what positions she takes….
Chas
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink
Kia, first of all, Ms. Palin is not a lifelong resident
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I used the term “basically”.
Born in Idaho. Moved to Alaska as an infant. Went to college out of state. At 44 it’s same to say roughly 90% of one’s life is a life long resident.
Go back to the DailyKos for some more talking points.
If your party wasn’t losing it’s collective control of bodily functions over her, why trying so hard to discredit?
Regular, where in the EMT course do they actually teach you how to be an obstetrician? I have taken the EMT course myself. I guess I must have missed that class that makes you an expert in delivering a baby.
Chas
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink
Kia(or whoever you are), the point is quite simple —- find out where she gets her support, and you will find out what positions she takes….
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She beat an incumbent in a primary election.
The sword cuts both ways.
Regular says >>>> and quite truthfully >>>>
“No, I don’t know anything about pregnancy other than the basics of emergency care.”
James, the sheer fact that you put pregnancy in the same sentence as “the basics of emergency care” is quite telling… Pregnancy (more literally delivery at this point) is far from emergency procedure…. It is quite ordinary….
How many births have you assisted, from the time of water breaking, to birth???
How many times have you been told by the mother of your child — My water broke, we need to get to the hospital… ???
This “wonder woman” you all are frothing at the mouth over simply made a very poor judgment call —- first breaking water, and THEN hanging around to deliver a speech, which could have easily been entered into the record, and THEN, rather than checking in at any number of very good local hospitals…. FLY all the way back to Alaska to deliver her FIFTH baby…. A smart woman would have said to get her to a hospital, and then fly home a day or two AFTER giving birth….
I dont think I want a woman that poor of judgment being one heart beat from the Presidency of the United States….
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink
Regular, where in the EMT course do they actually teach you how to be an obstetrician? I have taken the EMT course myself. I guess I must have missed that class that makes you an expert in delivering a baby.
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It was in the phase II part of the training where we did clinical rotations. It was taught by a nurse practitioner, a PhD I believe.
And they don’t teach you how to be an obstetrician, they give the basics of emergency child birth management. One of the questions that popped up was about when the water broke and what to do. The answer was, if there was no excessive mucous or blood, is to get the patient transported to the hospital within a few hours. But, there is more or less a 24 hour window before complications such as infection could set in.
Also, I never claimed to be an expert in child delivery. As the course stated, emergency medical technician.
You know, access, stabilize and transport.
oops that should be assess, not access. :)
Kia — she beat a very UNpopular incumbent in that primary!! which could most likely mean, she was considered the lesser of two evils….
Or, it could mean that the dog catcher from Scagway could have won that primary!! ROFL!!!
I did the clinical rotations too, at KU Med Center. I still didn’t get the training you claimed to have received. I guess the instructor from KU Med Center wasn’t as good as one you had.
Whatever Chas, your judgment on Palin has nothing to do on how I was trained.
You appear to be confused on what emergency medical care does. Even in basic first aid courses, they teach something about taking care of a females in child bearing moments.
If you have questions regarding the complications of water breaking, ask a nurse or a physician.
I just related what I was taught under emergency conditions.
I also know how to do a peritoneal lavage and handle a pneumo thorax condition, do a venous cut down and etc. :D
Chas I know how knowledgable you are on every subject but you are all wet on this one. Every woman knows their own body much better than some man on a blog. She was in her fifth pregnancy and was confident because of the length of previous labors that she could be back in Alaska for her delivery.
No lack of judgement as you have tried to stress. The left is really fishing to try to say ’she lacks good judgement’ because of this.
You have me a good laugh.
I am watching the leftist protestors at the Rep convention and they are almost as funny as you. Be away a week and the fear has set in big time for the left. No surprise.
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
I did the clinical rotations too, at KU Med Center. I still didn’t get the training you claimed to have received. I guess the instructor from KU Med Center wasn’t as good as one you had.
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Evidently it wasn’t. It was the short courses that were parallel they give to para rescue airman for the Air Force. Being as if you completed all the phases, I think there were six of them for medical training? Don’t remember, you could take the exams and be qualified/certified as an EMT and a paramedic. The para rescue courses were separate and quite intensive as I understand it.
10,000 protestors. Looks like Operatin Chaos was a roaring success. At least the Repubs. are drawing big numbers!
A CBS News poll showed Obama leading McCain by 48 percent to 40 percent in polling done Friday through Sunday, after the Democratic convention and the selection of Palin. Obama led by three points before his convention.
A USA Today poll taken after the Democratic convention showed a 7-point Obama advantage, up from four points before the gathering.
With an 8 point lead after the convention, and all v.p. candidates announced, can we now say “Obama closed the deal?”
Mr_Kia posted September 1, 2008 at 8:16 pm
“What’s your point Cos?”
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Do you have reading comprehension problems? I’ll repeat my point.
“. . . so Mr_Kia prefers to believe Palin’s falsehoods, instead of the truth.”
And also,
“Mr_Kia prefers to believe the wife of an oil roughneck who works for BP in Alaska, instead of the U.S. Geological Survey.”
Phantom do you remember hearing about the conventioin bounce? Wait until next weekends polls if you are looking for an accurate poll.
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink
Mr_Kia posted September 1, 2008 at 8:16 pm
“What’s your point Cos?”
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Do you have reading comprehension problems? I’ll repeat my point.
“. . . so Mr_Kia prefers to believe Palin’s falsehoods, instead of the truth.”
And also,
“Mr_Kia prefers to believe the wife of an oil roughneck who works for BP in Alaska, instead of the U.S. Geological Survey.”
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Have you ever been to Alaska cosmos?
Have you ever worked in an oil field cosmos?
Have you ever been the Governor of an oil producing state cosmos?
No?
Then STFU.
(that’s stand the floor up according to chas)
I understand you are either an environmentalist wack-job worried about the displacement of Santa Claus and 8 Tiny Reindeer OR just a staunch anti-capitalist.
Finding oil in the United States and drilling now is the most immediate fix for our energy problems. That is by no means it. But finding oil on our of our own vs. financing our enemies war effort against us needs to be a priority.
Oh gran- you are SO full of it. Every pregnancy is different. No woman can see the future on how her labor and childbirth is going to be.
Evening Mom :)
And you really need to get off this pregnancy conspiracy thing. It stinks of desperation.
EMTs do get taught to deliver babies. And how to handle the emergency in childbirth. Not all cases of course, but the most likely to encounter.
And a PROM is cause to get to the hospital- not HOURS. Certainly not on a plane with no medical attention on board.
I bet Palin’s daughter was on the ‘promise ring’ birth control.
If her daughter was 13 instead of 17, I wonder if she’d still be telling her to have it?
Hey its not my problem the woman is that incredibly unbelievable.
And Hi Kia, how you been?
Kerry never got a bounce after the convention. Bet Mcbush doesn’t either.
I’d always heard labor time normally decteases with the more children one has.
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Political_mama
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink
EMTs do get taught to deliver babies. And how to handle the emergency in childbirth. Not all cases of course, but the most likely to encounter.
And a PROM is cause to get to the hospital- not HOURS. Certainly not on a plane with no medical attention on board.
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We weren’t taught to deliver babies either, but it was part of the classroom lectures to know what to do in the event of a child birth delivery occurring while you were present. :)
Not that it’s the same, but have helped with horses, dogs and cats. :D
The one with the dog was interesting, it was the neighbor’s dog and he was quite squeamish about blood and stuff. So, I helped the Veterinarian. It had to be done by C-section and the little pups were squeezed out like toothpaste. The only thing I had to do, was put a drop of Dopram (( think that’s the medication) on the tongue of each pump and irrigate their eyes.
er pup not pump :D
Phantom
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
Kerry never got a bounce after the convention. Bet Mcbush doesn’t either.
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Kerry did. It got him to about even. He was that pathetic.
I’m well Mom btw, thank you. Living back here now so my vote cancels yours out :)
well we do now. With pregnancy mannequins and all.
What, why did you move back I thought you had Mr Cushy Pants richy rich job?
LOL. You can’t assume. Even at a wage you would consider richy rich, we couldn’t get ahead in California, were unhappy with the schools, etc.
Interesting, Kerry and bush, had the worst convention bounce for their respective parties. Guess you’d have to say they both sucked.
“Of course, it can be risky to predict the future based on historical patterns. In 2004, neither Kerry (whose support dropped 1 point after his party’s convention) nor George W. Bush (whose support increased just 2 points) got a significant boost from their parties’ conventions. Both fell well below the historical norm of 5-point increases and now rank as the single worst post-convention showings of any presidential candidate of their respective parties.
It was N.O. misfortune that Katrina didn’t hit in an election yr., while the Repub. convention was running!
The Federal Emergency Management Agency had cartons of food, water, blankets and other supplies to sustain 1 million people for three days ready to be distributed Monday – a contrast to Katrina, when thousands waited for rescue in a hot Superdome.
“With Katrina they didn’t come and rescue us until the next day,” said LaTriste Washington, 32, who stayed in her home during the 2005 hurricane and later was rescued by boat. She was in a shelter in Birmingham, Ala., Monday. “This time they were ready and had buses lined up for us to leave New Orleans.”
Political_mama
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:54 pm | Permalink
Oh gran- you are SO full of it. Every pregnancy is different. No woman can see the future on how her labor and childbirth is going to be.
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The left is so know it all about every situatiojn. I loved Chas having an opinion on when she should have gone to the hospital. I had three kids and they were all about the same length in labor. Just my experience.
As for the particulars of this delivery. What makes you think that you know the exact circimstances involved. You guys are so funny when you try to make a lame claim.
Gonzo mishandled classified documents carrying them out of the viewing room (did he stuff them down his pants?). I expect all those Repubs. that had Kaniption fits to be outraged about this as well.
“WASHINGTON – Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales mishandled highly classified notes about a secret counterterror program, but not on purpose, according to a memo by his legal team.
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The memo, obtained by The Associated Press, acknowledges that Gonzales improperly stored notes about the program and might have taken them home at one point.
Removing secret documents from specially secured rooms violates government policy.
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The classified notes focus on a March 2004 meeting with congressional leaders about a national security program that was about to expire. Efforts to renew the program sparked an intense Bush administration debate that played out at the hospital bedside of then-Attorney General John Ashcroft.
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I don’t know how Sarah Palin gets out of this without looking downright despicable.
She takes the VP nod and thus makes her daughter the most famous unwed pregnant teen in history?
What kind of mother does that to her daughter?
Granny, I guess I felt like I could post on this, since I was prsent for BOTH of my kids births, AND, I already posted a link to the story on Ms. Palin’s birth process, that started in Texas, and ended back in Alaska…. I dont think it was good judgment…. You disagree…. That doesnt make EITHER of us right, OR wrong…
So, dont even start with your normal BULLS*iT
Some interesting Gustav coverage on NBC.
Given all the blood still on Republican hands and the pathetic failire of the Corps to deliver on their promises regarding the levies, it’s pretty sickening to watch the Littke Admiral strutting around the Gulf Coast.
What IS interesting in NBC’s coverage was the long, long Katrina retrospective. I was glad to see they weren’t going to let the Repubicans run away from the logical result of their “government is bad, always!” governing philsophy.
Frankly, I’m a lot less convinced than are the commentators that a bunch of pictures of the Little Admiral supposedly facing danger are going to wipe the Repubican authorship of Katrina out of people’s memories. Tonight’s retrospective reminded me how raw those images still are.
The United States hasn’t recovered from Katrina any more than it has recovered from 9/11. Keeping the guilty parties in office only puts us further and further behind.
I see Regular is sharing some of his vast medical knowledge.
BTW, if I would have taken that trauma course, I would have qualified to take the LPN certification.
If you had, you would know infection is the greatest risk. Yes, precautions need to be taken, and those precautions are to make sure there is no threat of infection. Antibiotics would probably be introduced. So unless Palin was traveling with antibiotics prescribed in the event this would happen–and I highly doubt that–let’s look at this a little closer.
She was at a public function, and although it may have not been huge, it certainly wasn’t like a home environment. Lots of people there that might be dealing with who knows what kind of illness. Colds, flu, staph infections… You name it.
Same with her flight home. And they sure don’t sterlize those airplanes between flights.
Chas, there may be a 24 hour window, but if she noticed the leakage and the contractions at 4 a.m. and Trig was born the next morning at 6:30 a.m., that window was breached.
I’m assuming that when she reached the hospital (after driving past 2 major hospitals in Anchorage that have had better facilities to handle the premature birth [lung difficulties] of a baby with Down Syndrome [heart difficulties]–the hospital where she delivered reportedly does not have an NICU) she was given the needed antibiotics and taken care of very well by her doctor. (BTW, her doctor says Sarah never mentioned the flight home, so she did not give medical permission for that.)
EVERY woman who is pregnant knows what to do when the membrane breaks: Get to the hospital. Even if it was only a leak and her labor pains did slow down to 1 or 2 an hour, that doesn’t mean they couldn’t kick back in at any time, especially during that long flight. Each pregnancy and delivery of each woman is different. And they/we LOVE to compare notes on them.
She knew that if she went to the hospital, they’d keep her, and they didn’t want their baby born in Texas. I can understand not wanting to give birth in a strange hospital, but I also understand the risk she took. I’m thankful that nothing went wrong, because there are so many things that could have.
It was poor judgment, plain and simple, if the story she tells is true. Or maybe I should say stories, because details of it keep changing.
Maybe it’ll point out that there is a severe problem with teen pregnancy, and start a push for prevention. NOT!
Luckily for the young lady, her mother is fairly well situated in life, and I bet financially secure, unlike the vast majority of others in her position.
She’ll just get her future son-in-law a good paying govt. job with the state or an oil company.
There are 2 more hurricanes moving toward the U.S. Wait, make that possibly 3.
Hanna and Ike are moving this way and are scheduled to make landfall somewhere within the next week. If that happens, it will be the first time in history that 3 hurricanes have made US landfall in one week.
Next up: Tropical storm Joe.
Cf a republican governor made sure there was an evacuation. The mayor actually did his job. The left blamed FEMA and Bush for the Katrina failure and let Nagen and Blanco walk.
Fortunately the repubs stepped in and made sure the state did their job as Florida and Missippi have always done.
with breate taking speed republicans threw george w bush under the bus. you have got to admit it bush had it coming.
“Fortunately the repubs stepped in and made sure the state did their job as Florida and Missippi have always done.”
Sorry Germ,
The Bush administration threw a major U.S. city under the bus and let them suffer. Cronyism (”Heck of a job, Brownie!”) always trumps public safety with dumbasses like you all.
everybody in texas = all you all.
Are you giving government credit for the efforts of the individual there germie okie?
And just because the Governor is a con now?
There was a historic belief in New Orleans that the city just did not get hit with hurricanes.
Katrina was the exception. Learning from that exception, the population of New Orleans fled.
Turns out where a lot of them fled to got hit HARDER than New Orleans.
And,
all you all = awl y’awl ROFL
Thanks for the Phonics less Chas. You crack me up dude. :)
less = lesson – late and typing getting less accurate.
Night all.
Amen.
Why Palin? An answer that makes some sense:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841.html
This time officially: night.
Okobserver,
I guess this is the part where I call you a liar.
Both Blanco and Nagin DID issue evacuation orders. More to the point, okobserver, the FEMA evacuation order included NONE of the coastal counties of Louisiana. In hearings one month later, Michael Brown claimed that Governor Blanco never requested assistance, at which point Governor Blanco produced the letter in question proving that she had.
In other words, okobserver, the Federal agency tasked with coordinating disaster relief was unprepared, at every step of the way, to deal with the single likeliest catastrophic scenario.
As for your smug and dishonest comparison with the cases of Mississippi and Florida, well, okobserver, neither state had its major metrpolitan center hit by a categort 5 hurricane, now did it? But it WAS the case, okobserver, that both states enjoyed highky expedited disaster assistance, both before and after their respective events. And in the case of Mississippi, Haley Barbour dispensed lots of that money to his friends and cronies.
So yeah, okobserver, I stand by my statement that the Bush Administration and its crony pals have lots of blood on their hands. To watch the Little Emperor try to make political hay from Gustav is like watching someone take pennies off the eyes of the deadm
. As for your smug and dishonest comparison with the cases of Mississippi and Florida, well, okobserver, neither state had its major metrpolitan center hit by a categort 5 hurricane, now did it? But it WAS the case, okobserver, that both states enjoyed highky expedited disaster assistance, both before and after their respective events. And in the case of Mississippi, Haley Barbour dispensed lots of that money to his friends and cronies.
He was also the former chairman of the National Republican Committee. Both the governor and mayor of Lousiana were democrats. It’s seems so obscene to the point of absurdity to suggest their favoritism in a situation like that and, looking at from 2008 perpective, it is absurd.
But some of us remember the political climate of 2005, wherein the lunatic right was openly gloating, and the emperor’s minions really thought they could create their own reality, and thus do no wrong.
Katrina disproved that. It, in part, broke the trance, and made the 2006 election results possible.
P.S. What a hell of a price to pay for our own wilful ignorance.
Mr_Kia posted September 1, 2008 at 8:53 pm
“I understand you are either an environmentalist wack-job worried about the displacement of Santa Claus and 8 Tiny Reindeer OR just a staunch anti-capitalist.”
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No. . . I’m just not a liar, and/or clueless idiot like you, Mr_Kia.
“Santa Claus” does not live in Area 1002. There are over 100,000 migratory caribou in the Porcupine herd, and they calve in the coastal plain. Plus there are muskoxen, polar bears, large numbers of migratory birds, and other wildlife.
‘Potential Impacts of Oil and Gas Development on Refuge Resources’
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
I’m also not a “staunch anti-capitalist”. Investment in higher energy efficiency is guaranteed to “produce” much more than the coastal plain might, and sooner, faster, and cheaper.
Mr_Kia: “Finding oil in the United States and drilling now is the most immediate fix for our energy problems. That is by no means it. But finding oil on our of our own vs. financing our enemies war effort against us needs to be a priority.”
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Higher energy efficiency is actually the “most immediate fix for our energy problems”. The Arctic Refuge is no more a “fix” than Prudhoe Bay, which had little impact on world oil prices, and is now running dry.
And if the Refuge isn’t like the nearby low-producing Badami field, it still, at best, only helps replace other declining U.S. oil reserves.
Mr_Kia, prove that you have no ethics, no morals, and no logic.
Keep supporting the lying about the “2,000 acres”, and the lying about the non-impact to the wildlife in the Refuge. Keep ignoring the much better, cheaper, short-term and long-term solution of higher energy efficiency.
The more that comes to light on Palin the more I wonder,did anyone do a background check on her other than bloggers and if they did do one they would have had to know all this was going to come to light at some point.
I think at some poiint that someone in the Mcain camp is going to figure out instead of an asset she is a liability. If Mcains numbers continue to fall look for her to bow out “for the good of the party”
Predestined
Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink
I see Regular is sharing some of his vast medical knowledge.
BTW, if I would have taken that trauma course, I would have qualified to take the LPN certification.
If you had, you would know infection is the greatest risk. Yes, precautions need to be taken, and those precautions are to make sure there is no threat of infection.
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I’ve already mentioned the risk of infection, at least twice bozo breath.
CF2K: Katrina wasn’t cat when it struck New Orleans. I believe it was a cat 3. I’m not looking it up.
Chas–
Delusions of grandeur are typical of the mentally ill.
Ask Regular what it’s like to be Napoleon.