Obama shrinking the target

What started as a 50-state strategy keeps shrinking. Barack Obama’s campaign has been redeploying staff and resources in a way that abandons some states (North Dakota, Alaska and perhaps Montana) and more fiercely defends others (Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin). A Time magazine analysis suggests that to win, Obama needs to hold the states John Kerry won in 2004, plus Ohio or Florida; take back parts of the South by winning Virginia, North Carolina and maybe Georgia; and win Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico.

73 Comments

  1. Nathaniel
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Don’t you mean his 57 state strategy is shrinking?

  2. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.

    In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.

    In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm

  3. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement

    JEFFERSON CITY – Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

    “St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

    “What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

    http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=newsitem

  4. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    MORE THUGGISHNESS: Obama threatening the licenses of TV stations that run NRA ads.

    MORE: Prosecutors and sheriffs threatening to prosecute Obama critics?

    Check out this TV news report from St. Louis, too, which makes clear that the Obama campaign is behind this.

    Thugs on parade. Will the U.S. Department of Justice investigate? Or are they compromised?

    http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024910.php

  5. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Chicago style thug political tactics.

    Change you can believe in.

  6. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Don’t expect to hear about it on CNN or the other alphabets.

  7. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    Impartial? Independent? NO!
    FactCheck and Brady Campaign in Bed with Annenberg Foundation

    FactCheck supposedly exists to look beyond a politician’s claims. Ironically, in its analysis of NRA materials on Barack Obama, these so-called “FactCheckers” use the election year campaign rhetoric of a presidential candidate and a verbal claim by one of the most zealous gun control supporters in Congress to refute facts compiled by NRA’s research of vote records and review of legislative language.

    There’s another possible explanation behind FactCheck’s positions. Just last year, FactCheck’s primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for “efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry.” Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005. (source)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2092846/posts

  8. Regular
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Obama’s response to Heckler’s charges:

    “Uhhhh ahhh, let me say that ummm errrr aahhh”

  9. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    You guys need a good laugh this morning:

    pid=7wQNBZW_S__8vFbBOvfUiF_IvLsuf4g5&GT1=42003

    and this:

    http://www.236.com/video/2008/sarah_palin_gets_instructions_9171.php

  10. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:10 am | Permalink

    Obama came across so much more intelligent and gracious than McCain in the debate. When McCain couldn’t think of anything to say, he kept repeating the same talking points, and resorting to emotional bullcrap.
    He’s too old and bitter to be president of the free world.

  11. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    Off to work, see ya later.

  12. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    So it’s okay for McCain to use “law enforcement” in his campaign, but not for Obama?

    IOKIYAR

    It’s not even 8:30 in the morning, and the spin has begun! Look out for a dizzy day, as the smell of Republican fear fills the air.

  13. mom
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:39 am | Permalink
    Don’t you mean his 57 state strategy is shrinking

    Is this all you’ve got? I would rather have a man who is tired and mistakenly said 57 when it was obvious he meant 47 than your guy who sings little songs about bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran when the president of our country just threatened to use force against Iran.

    It was priceless in the debate when McCain accused Obama of publicly telling the enemy what he planned to do in Pakistan when McCain’s old little song of bombing Iran is so well known. McCain needs to get his act together if he even hopes of being able to compete.

  14. mom
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    predestined – you have hit the nail on the head this mornning. Republicans know they have a doddering old man who sees more wars around every corner and an airhead barbie-type who cannot help herself by knowing when to just shut up.

  15. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Obama makes another misstatement?

    During Friday night’s presidential debate, Barack Obama claimed that one of John McCain’s advisers, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, supported his view that the U.S. president should meet with Iran’s president and other rogue dictators without preconditions.

    The point made McCain livid, as he repeatedly pointed out that Kissinger, his friend of 35 years, would never back such a dangerous position.

    McCain turned out to be right.

    Kissinger released a statement immediately after the debate. It read:

    “Sen. McCain is right. I would not recommend the next president of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the presidential level.”

  16. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    And the insanity (and flagrant exploitation and manipulation) continues.

    From The Sunday Times
    September 28, 2008

    McCain camp prays for Palin wedding
    The marriage of the vice-presidential candidate’s pregnant teenage daughter could lift a flagging campaignSarah Baxter in Washington
    In an election campaign notable for its surprises, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice- presidential candidate, may be about to spring a new one — the wedding of her pregnant teenage daughter to her ice-hockey-playing fiancé before the November 4 election.

    Inside John McCain’s campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. “It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”

    More at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4837644.ece

  17. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Obama is a big fat Liar.

    “John Lott spoke, with an interesting point. He’d held a fellowship at Univ. of Chicago School of Law, when Obama was a prof. or sorta-prof. there, and they talked a few times. The first time Obama said “oh, you’re the gun guy.” When he said that he was, Obama said “I don’t believe people should be allowed to own guns.” Lott said maybe they should talk about it. Obama just smirked and left without a word. Lott noted that he is happy to debate the topic fairly; he’s often had Cass Sunstein, who is very anti-2A, to his house for dinner and they debate gun control amicably. But not Obama.”"

    http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/09/gun_rights_poli_1.php

  18. Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    John Lott used to post as one of his students, a “Mary Rosh” and write about how much “she” loved her teacher John Lott.

    Yeah. Weird freaking dude.

    I don’t think Obama ever said that. Anyway, that’s not his stated policy now.

    But thanks for the textbook example of the straw man.

  19. Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    McCain gets “livid” a lot, doesn’t he, LittleJohn.

    He came off as what he was–a little white lump of angry.

  20. Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    BTW, the TIME analysis as stated by Rhonda is wrong.

    All Obama has to do to win is hold the states Kerry won and win EITHER Ohio or Florida.

    That’s all Kerry would have had to do too.

    Any additional states he racks up like Virginia or North Carolina will just be a bonus.

  21. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Kissinger a flip-flopper like McCain?

    Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program. Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran “without conditions,” ABC News reported.

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/16/Kissinger_Open_direct_Iran_talks/UPI-46971221579660/

    So 9 or 10 days later, after the debate, he comes back with the quote LJ posted.

  22. Heckler
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Pred.

    You are missing a fundamental aspect of Kissingers statement. He did not advocate the President engaging personally in talks. There’s an important difference.

  23. Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Poor Levi.

    A little bit of teenage fun and he has every figurative shotgun in the country on him to marry WAY too young. And can you IMAGINE having Sarah Palin for a mother in law? Yeeesh.

  24. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    This thread is about Obama shrinking his target, yet Capn is the only one so far to address it.

    Instead of focusing on the polls, I like to take a look at the Electoral Maps.

    This one shows the changes from as far back as May:
    http://electoralmap.net/index.php?date=9.29

    Data Source
    The data for this map come from the Intrade prediction market where there are real-money contracts for each individual state based on how it will award its 2008 electoral votes. Traders who predict the outcome correctly are rewarded with the money of those who don’t. For more information visit Intrade.com. This map is updated at least once per week.

    Changes Since Last Update
    Florida and New Hampshire have drifted into tossup territory. Another state that has been fluctuating wildly is North Carolina. Depending on what time of day you check the market, NC has drifted in and out of McCain’s column.

    Another is CNN’s:
    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/

    CNN’s estimate is based on several factors, including polling, voting trends and ad spending.

    For all you Republicans out there, you can click on the states and make them all red so you can feel better.

  25. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    He did not advocate the President engaging personally in talks. There’s an important difference.

    Then perhaps he should have been more specific to begin with. But then, let’s be real. This is Kissinger.

  26. Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Obama narrowing the focus on the must-win states makes perfect sense four weeks out.

    Not only that, word on the street says that Obama is burying McCain because he’s got a lot more money to spend.

  27. Phantom
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Levi probably won’t have to marry the girl, just something to throw out there for the RW until after the election.

  28. Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    “What started as a 50-state strategy keeps shrinking.”

    About damned time. I hope it is not too late.

    We HAD a candidate who won in states where Democrats can win in the fall.

    There are some states and no small number of people that ya just gotta scrape off. They aint worth it and you lose too much of yourself pandering to them.

  29. Phantom
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Like mccain you mccainites can’t get past the ‘prepatory’ part of Obama’s statement. Just what do you think that means if not lower level talks preceeding his meetings?
    Obama’s argument is that unlike bush, N.K. doesn’t have to become completely compliant with U.S. demands before talking, Iran doesn’t have to issue a statement they consider Israel a friend, or destroy all centrifuges before he’d talk to them.

  30. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink
    McCain gets “livid” a lot, doesn’t he, LittleJohn.

    He came off as what he was–a little white lump of angry.

    Yep, you are correct. Which is why I don;t support him. ANd will not. I will vote for and independant,or write in “none of the above”.

  31. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Obama’s argument is that unlike bush, N.K. doesn’t have to become completely compliant with U.S. demands before talking, Iran doesn’t have to issue a statement they consider Israel a friend, or destroy all centrifuges before he’d talk to them

    So, please list his requirments, if there are any, before President Obama (of which I have no doubt will be the outcome) meets directly with anybody (which was the direction of his statement, not any lowere level prepatory talks.

  32. Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Good for you, Littlejohn.

    People like you who can’t make up their minds shouldn’t be choosing the president of the United States.

    Your wasted vote, while regrettable, is good for our country.

  33. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    People like you who can’t make up their minds shouldn’t be choosing the president of the United States.

    Just a little judgemental he? Why I am not surprised.

  34. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    As if Obama were proposing he’d hop on Air Force One, fly to Tehran, and knock on Ahmadinejad’s front door unannounced.

    In State Department diplomatic speak, “without preconditions” means the summit would be open a wide range of issues, with no expectation to create new policy on the spot.

    The CONs are being intentionally ignorant. Again

  35. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    LJ,

    A thinking person would know that requirements are not set in stone, as each situation would be different. Then again, Bush’s requirements are not to meet at all unless the other country’s leader does exactly what Bush tells him to do.

    If McCain is elected, will he look at foreign leaders when talking or listening to them? Will those foreign leaders fall asleep while McCain drones on and on with reminiscent stories?

  36. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Ahmadinejad

    Speaking of which, how is his name pronounced? I thought it was ah-ma-din’-i-jawd, but Palin pronounced it awk-ma-din’-i-jawd. Does she think he’s German?

  37. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    The pronunciation sorta sounds like “I’m in a dinner jacket.”

    I think the Moose-Dresser was channeling “Cathy” on the comics pages: “ACK!”

  38. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    LJ,

    A thinking person would know that requirements are not set in stone, as each situation would be different. Then again, Bush’s requirements are not to meet at all unless the other country’s leader does exactly what Bush tells him to do.

    Sorry, to disappoint you, but I agree. And I don;t support Bush. I asked what Obama’s conditions were.

    If McCain is elected, will he look at foreign leaders when talking or listening to them? Will those foreign leaders fall asleep while McCain drones on and on with reminiscent stories?

    Sorry, don;t support mcCain either.

  39. Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Ahmad can be pronounced either akmad or a-mad. The Arabs have a glottal sound represented by “h” that we don’t have in English . . . kind of like a K pronounced in the throat.

    (Nevermind that Ahmadinajad is Persian so that he speaks Farsi, not Arabic. His name is Arabic.)

  40. Phantom
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    I really don’t see where pre-conditions are necessary, now if you can’t hold your own, and will succumb to the other side without pre-conditions, yes pre-conditions are critical.
    Actually, Obama was right, the Iranian pres. wouldn’t be the person to talk to, he wields no real power, and is just a figure head.

  41. Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Thanks, Capn, for clearing that up for me. It just popped out at me when Palin said it and I wondered. Oh, and my name is Persian, but that X makes it pretty clear. LOL

    LJ, I’m sorry you weren’t offered someone you could vote for. Such is life…and politics. (FWIW, that wasn’t a snarky comment.)

    Phantom, I agree. Pre-conditions are nothing but stone-walling and a tantrum of sorts to get one’s way. It rarely works against especially more renegade leaders. (McCain wouldn’t put up with it used against him, would he?) The time to get tough with conditions (not pre-) is after talks start to crumble and no agreement can be reached.

  42. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Any Questions as to who and which party is largely responsible for this financial meltdown we find our country and the world in?

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&&scp=5&sq=fannie%20mae&st=cse

    By STEVEN A. HOLMES

    Published: September 30, 1999

    In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

    The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

    Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

    ”Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990’s by reducing down payment requirements,” said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer (and current Obama advisor). ”Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.”

  43. Rage
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Obama is in Colorado today, a state he’s been leading in most of the summer, but only by a few points.

    Obama has all but given up on Georgia, but the other states in Time’s blurb are still very much in play. He could probably win Montana back with a little more effort, but it’s only 3 electoral votes. All five of the non-Kerry states mentioned are fiercely competitive this year.

  44. Rage
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    P.S. Since the “moose-dresser” came up, I just thought I would share my favorite answer from the Couric interview:

    COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

    PALIN: That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it’s got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

    http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/ready.html

  45. Regular
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    #
    Predestined
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Ahmadinejad

    Speaking of which, how is his name pronounced? I thought it was ah-ma-din’-i-jawd, but Palin pronounced it awk-ma-din’-i-jawd. Does she think he’s German?
    =============================
    Actually, no one has gotten the pronunciation correct.

    It’s pronounced “ah-mah-DIH-nee-zhahd”

  46. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Another one of “Regular’s” many talents:

    He’s fluent in Farsi.

  47. avtolle
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Hmm, Wachovia sells its retail banking assets to Citigroup. Looks like the consolidation of the banking industry is happening much more quickly than the “experts” thought it might.

    Concerns I have include the ability of the apparent “Big 3″ in the banking industry (BoA, Citigroup, and JP Morgan Chase) being able to dictate terms and conditions, fee structures, etc. to the consumers going forward. Another concern is the continued viability of the small and middle sized local and regional banks.

    Are we repeating the “too big to fail” argument by this consolidation of banking power when, in the future, conditions of a negative sort happen?

  48. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Re:
    Rage
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink
    ******************************************
    While I do not support MCCain, and could care less about Palin since she isn;t the top of the ticket, the above, if true (and I have no reason to doubt it), is a sad commentary.

  49. Rage
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    All Obama has to do to win is hold the states Kerry won and win EITHER Ohio or Florida.

    This is slightly wrong. Gore won Ohio, but had Florida stolden. Kerry won Florida, but had Ohio stolen.

    OBama can win without either Florida or Ohio (here’s one way how), but it will require winning multiple states that neither Gore or Kerry won.

    If he picks up Ohio or Florida, that makes things considerably easier.

  50. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Obama is already attacking the 1st Amendment, even before being elected to office….how much worse would it get if he is elected?

    The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.

    The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania.

    Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama’s longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama’s real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment.

    They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF’s ads.

    The Obama camp is particularly angry with an NRA ad entitled “Hunter” which lays out Obama’s record on gun control.

    You can see the “Hunter” ad — Go Here Now;
    http://election.newsmax.com/nra_Hunter.html

    Other NRA ads include “Way of Life” and another focusing on Joe Biden’s record, “Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama.”

    This week, Obama’s campaign general counsel Bob Bauer wrote seeking to censor the ads at stations in Pennsylvania.

    “Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations do not have a ‘right to command the use of broadcast facilities,’” Bauer writes. “Moreover, you have a duty ‘to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising.’”

    “This advertising is false, misleading, and deceptive,” Bauer continued. “We request that you immediately cease airing this advertising.”

    The NRA says Obama’s camp are sending out these “intimidating cease and desist letters” to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.

    The NRA charged that “Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in hiding Obama’s radical anti-gun record.”

    And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF’s ads.

    NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have responded to the Obama campaign’s despicable and abusive attempt to trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the Obama campaign’s fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate.

    The NRA has set up a Web site detailing its position on Obama at http://www.gunbanobama.com.

  51. Rage
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Are we repeating the “too big to fail” argument by this consolidation of banking power when, in the future, conditions of a negative sort happen?

    Yeah, but I gather that’s how it works. Those that don’t fail outright are absorbed until only a few giants remain standing.

  52. avtolle
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/news/companies/wachovia_citigroup/index.htm?postversion=2008092908 contains some details on the Citigroup/Wachovia deal. It seems that the FDIC is involved contingently, at least; Citi is to raise capital by a new stock offering, and by cutting the quarterly dividend.

  53. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Oh. It’s only that the NRA ads simply break the law.

    Part of their tax-exempt status is their advertising must be issue advocacy not candidate advocacy.

    You can’t get much more candidate-oriented than that guy with the Big Boy voice says, “Defeat Barack Obama.”

    They could’ve said “vote for your gun rights” and included all those votes Obama is on record for (despite he “has no experience”). But the NRA couldn’t restrain themselves. They had to go on to the “Defeat Obama” language. Black-letter law illegal, unless the NRA wants to forfeit its tax-exempt status.

  54. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Monkey,
    Only a dimwit would think the NRA is tax-exempt.
    Gee….get an education will ya?

  55. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    “Regular” gives us –

    “It’s pronounced “ah-mah-DIH-nee-zhahd”

    And not like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlRilfhKRSA

    The doddering ol’ Fred Mertz look-alike.

  56. Regular
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    “Regular” gives us –

    “It’s pronounced “ah-mah-DIH-nee-zhahd”

    And not like this?
    ==============================================
    No, it’s more like this:

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=obama+uh+umm&emb=0&aq=f#

  57. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Monkey,
    The only part of the NRA that has a 501(c)(3) tax exemption is the ‘NRA Foundation’, a completely separate entity, established to fund gun safety and educational projects of benefit to the general public. Contributions to the Foundation are tax-deductible and benefit a variety of American constituencies, including youths, women, hunters, competitive shooters, gun collectors, law enforcement agents and persons with physical disabilities.
    The NRA itself is NOT tax exempt, and all dues and contribution to the NRA are NOT tax deductible.

  58. avtolle
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Actually, Boxlock, the NRA is a tax exempt organization, according to its web site. That does not mean it is a tax exempt organization under 501(c)(3), IRC, however. Given that it has established a Foundation under 501(c)(3), and has a political lobbying arm, I’m hypothesizing that it is tax exempt under 501(c)(4) of the Code.

    The restrictions that are placed on a 501(c)(3) organization would not apply to a (c)(4) organization. The importance of being exempt under (c)(3) is the deductibility of donations to the organization by the donors on their personal income tax returns.

    Many hear “tax exempt” and automatically think 501(c)(3); that isn’t true in most cases. I refer you to section 501(c), IRC, for some light reading on the types of organizations exempt from income taxation; and the various regulations propounded thereunder relating to the types of organizations, permitted and prohibited activities of each sort.

  59. avtolle
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    http://www.muridae.com/nporegulation/documents/exempt_orgs.html

    A table that is relatively clear setting forth different classifications of tax exempt organizations.

  60. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    And, “Boxlock” –

    The law-breaking commercials were produced by the NRA’s 527 tax-exempt organization, limited to promoting issues-advocacy not candidate-advocacy.

    Black letter law.

  61. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Boxlicker, thanks again for proving YOU are the resident idiot here.

    Can you say “501(c)4″>

    According to this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

    The NRA has (c)4 status, which permits it to lobby. It also has a (c)3 status foundation that accepts contributions that are deductible.

    But the NRA is STILL tax exempt under the 501(c)4 status.

    nitwit

  62. XXX
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink
    Any Questions as to who and which party is largely responsible for this financial meltdown we find our country and the world in?
    ________________________________________________

    Spin it any way you want to, Boxlock, but Americans believe the current financial crisis was brought on by republicans by a margin of 2 to 1. You cons did this, it’s your fault, and you own it.
    Prepare to face the consequences at the polls in November.

  63. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Dammit, I HATE when VT beats me to the punchline!

    And he does it so much better than I :)

  64. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    “The law-breaking commercials were produced by the NRA’s 527 tax-exempt organization, limited to promoting issues-advocacy not candidate-advocacy.

    Black letter law.”

    Apparently, not so much (at least as i understand it)
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    A 527 group is a type of American tax-exempt organization named after a section of the United States tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 527. A 527 group is created primarily to influence the nomination, election, appointment or defeat of candidates for public office. Although candidate committees and political action committees are also created under Section 527, the term is generally used to refer to political organizations that are not regulated by the Federal Election Commission or by a state elections commission, and are not subject to the same contribution limits as PACs.

  65. george
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    I don’t trust Obama with my life, and pocket book.

  66. avtolle
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    ’salright, kfg; at least I know there’s someone else out there who gets the joke. :-)

  67. littlejohn
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Oh crap I am so sorry. I intended for only a small section of the above, and a link. My bad

  68. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s “Police State Tactics”

    “Governor Blunt said the action has “attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign. What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.”

    The Obama campaign is using similar hardball tactics to get NRA ads pulled off the air in Ohio and Pennsylvania. The Obama campaign’s top attorney has reportedly sent “cease and desist” letters to stations airing the ads warning them that the Federal Communication Commission may revoke their broadcasting licenses.

    If candidate Obama is this aggressive in targeting his critics before an election, how do you think “President Obama” will act in the Oval Office? If Democrats win control of all three branches of government on November 4th, the “Fairness Doctrine” will shut down conservative talk radio and “hate crimes” laws will silence conservative pastors. “

  69. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    “Spin it any way you want to, Boxlock, but Americans believe the current financial crisis was brought on by republicans by a margin of 2 to 1. You cons did this, it’s your fault, and you own it.”

    And that is simply because the party in office of the Presidency is being falsely blamed.
    It was Clinton and the Dimocrates (not a misspelling) that started this whole mortgage mess, with them wanting to give loans to people that simply could never repay them. Now we all are having to pay.
    And by the way it’s the Dims that control both houses of the legislative branch that make law, not the Republicans.

  70. American
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Interesting video link to Obama’s advisors:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3118880&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

  71. Boxlock
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    avtolle,
    Thank you for your clarification of the tax exempt status of the NRA.
    What I should have said clearly is that the only part of the NRA that would be concerned with position comment is the Foundation which has 501(c)(3) status.
    I am confident there is no law the NRA itself is violating or the wienies would have already been screaming long ago.
    Monkeyhawk posted “Oh. It’s only that the NRA ads simply break the law”, and that is what I disagree with.

  72. sunflower5
    Posted September 30, 2008 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    This is priceless:

    Go to YouTube and check this one out.

    Democrats Defend Fannie/Freddie from Regulation

  73. Boxlock
    Posted September 30, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    sunflower5,
    Ya forgot the link, at least it’s not showing up on my screen.
    I would like to see what you’ve found.