Barack Obama represents Illinois, corporate home of Boeing. Even so, 62 percent of participants in a Wichita-area poll by SurveyUSA for KWCH, Channel 12, said they think a President McCain would be more likely than a President Obama to support Boeing’s bid to build the tanker. Those two-thirds apparently are willing to overlook McCain’s crusading against Boeing on the tanker-lease deal and that at least five of McCain’s former or current campaign officials lobbied the Pentagon and Congress on behalf of Airbus on the now-shelved purchase contract.
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That makes NO SENSE. Obama is the one pushing to keep American jobs at home. Not McSame- he’s part of the ‘free global market’ mantra and shipping jobs overseas to the lowest slave.
It just goes to show that McCain supporters aren’t informed voters.
“Those two-thirds apparently are willing to overlook McCain’s crusading against Boeing on the tanker-lease deal…”
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Remember the shameful corruption and scandal involving the Air Force and Boeing on the original tanker deal?
A refresher:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031125-boeing-scandal.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031125-boeing-scandal.htm
McCain will not support Boeing on this, irregardless if he get’s elected or not. Obama has promised that he will. However, I really wonder how much control any of them would have as President. It seems like they are in more control as senators.
Outlander,
Everyone is full aware of the Boeing scandal. The real issue is whether the USA should relinquish it’s work to a team of foreign competitors with EADS. Also, Northrup Grumman has had more than their share of scandals over the years.
Here’s a “refresher” for yourself about the Northrup scandals. Look at the section on accountabilty.
http://www.crocodyl.org/wiki/northrop_grumman
Thomas Frank got it so right.
CONs are so blinded by wing-nut ideology they’ll twist truth and logic to vote against their best interests.
Oh, and in order to keep everything on top of the table, here is a link to the scandals and accountabilty problems that EADS has had as well.
http://www.crocodyl.org/wiki/eads
How do you propose to punish Boeing, EADS, and Northrup Grumman? If we were to apply your line of reasoning, probably none of these companies should be allowed to bid because they all have scandalous histories.
Boeing managed to run all of its US competition out of business. This was accomplished, at least in part, through the government procurement process. The justification given for allowing them a pass on anti-trust was that they would face international competition. In other words, they would have to compete with EADS etc.
Now Boeing whines when they are expected to actually compete.
IF we want to consider geography in this comparison I want to see a detailed analysis of domestic/foreign content. Chicago-based Boeing has been outsourcing a lot of their work to China and elsewhere. Meanwhile EADS is talking about out-sourcing their mainframe – TO ALABAMA! For those Kansans who might not be familiar with Alabama it IS a part of the United States. It also is the home of some fairly powerful GOP Congressmen – unlike Kansas.
So, will McCain favor Chicago-based Boeing over Alabama’s Northrup? NOT!
Getting built the best plane for the job is #1 priority. Who builds it really doesn’t matter, as long as they follow the guidelines stated in the contract.
The one problem I have is: if Boeing is complaining about Northrup building it overseas, but Boeing sends parts of the plane overseas to be built, then Boeing has nothing to complain about. Just a bit of hypocrisy, don’t you think?
Obama is likely to let us go with NO tankers at all, or reduce the number of tankers.
Also, do not forget, Obama told all of us, when he was in Germany, that he is a “Citizen of the World”!
“Franklin” tries –
“Obama told all of us, when he was in Germany, that he is a “Citizen of the World”!”
And you’re not, “Franklin?”
Just what part of the World do you not belong to?
The real one?
“a “Citizen of the World”!”
Which is what Boeing also has told us they are.
“Obama is likely to let us go with NO tankers at all, or reduce the number of tankers.”
Any evidence to support that Paul?
Obama is naive, and dangerous:
http://www.militarynewsnetwork.com/videos/videoblog17.htm
“I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal I will not develop new nuclear weapons, I will seek a global ban on the development of fissile material and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.” Obama
There’s only one word for Kansans-ignorant!
Airbus in now back on the “We may not bid” routine. It worked very well for them last time in getting the rules and specs changed.
Mccain is owned by airbus, to believe Mccain would be better for Boeing is to ignore all his recent history. But if all Kansans have to do is suspend disbelief to help them justify voting for Mccain, consider it a done deal.
4 more years of the last 8…and a proven record against the Boeing company. He not only downed the original contract award to Boeing years ago because in his opinion it wasn’t a good deal for taxpayers, but he insisted that the air force change their request for proposals this time around to favor EADS. This just proves that Kansas is a republican state, regardless of the candidate, or the situation. Truly sad!
One only has to look at the candidates response when the tanker was awarded to airbus to tell who is more likely to support a boeing bid.
Rhonda, should get a statement from boeing about who would support the boeing tanker! Surely the boeing workers know, just ask them.
Franklin has suspended disbelief, or in today’s vernacular, drank the koolaide!
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink
Obama is naive, and dangerous:
http://www.militarynewsnetwork.com/videos/videoblog17.htm
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
“I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to insure that the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal I will not develop new nuclear weapons, I will seek a global ban on the development of fissile material and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.” Obama
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Is your second post a link to the first (video)? I heard none of the second in the first. Where did you get your second post from?
I agree with Obama in setting a goal for a nuclear weapons free earth. To not do so only perpetuates the MAD aspect of nuclear weapons. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD WHAT-SO-EVER THAT CAN COME FROM NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROLIFERATION. It is wrong on way too many levels.
Franklin
I watched the video and he doesn’t say anything about tankers. It sounds more like he is talking about nuclear weapons. Exactly how many do you think we need? We already have enough to make the earth uninhabitable till the end of time. Not to mention how many Russia, China, Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea, and anybody else I left off the list may have.
Thomas Frank was talking about you.
The eagle needs to run an article showing the candidates past record on this issue. Kansans have such short memories. Of course they would be called liberal and bias if they print the truth.
Obama Statement on the GAO Report on Air Force Tanker Award
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Printable FormatFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Michael Ortiz, 202 228 5666
WASHINGTON, D.C. – “Senator Obama applauds the GAO’s recommendation to reopen the competition for the Air Force tanker award. This contract will be the second largest military procurement contract in history, and has enormous implications for our national security and economy. Given the stakes involved and the strong concerns raised in the GAO report, Senator Obama believes that this competition must be reopened to ensure a fair and transparent process that fully considers the needs of America’s military and our workforce.”
Just google mccain and tanker, or eads.
here’s one exerpt:
Two of the lobbyists working on the EADS account gave up their lobbying work when they joined McCain’s campaign last year. A third, former Texas Rep. Tom Loeffler, lobbies for EADS and serves as McCain’s national finance chairman.
McCain, the Republican presidential nominee in waiting, has been instrumental in the Pentagon’s long attempt to complete a deal on the tanker. McCain helped block an earlier, scandal-marred tanker contract with Boeing in 2004 and prodded the Pentagon in 2006 to change proposed bidding procedures opposed by Airbus.
EADS retained The Loeffler Group to lobby for the tanker deal last year, months after McCain sent two letters urging the Defense Department to make sure the bidding proposals guaranteed competition between Boeing and Airbus.
Or consider that Obama has strong ties to kansas and especially to Sebelius, or that Boeing has their HQ in Chicago.
Mccain could care less about Kansas, except for their vote.
From USA today:Two of the lobbyists working on the EADS account gave up their lobbying work when they joined McCain’s campaign last year. A third, former Texas Rep. Tom Loeffler, lobbies for EADS and serves as McCain’s national finance chairman.
McCain, the Republican presidential nominee in waiting, has been instrumental in the Pentagon’s long attempt to complete a deal on the tanker. McCain helped block an earlier, scandal-marred tanker contract with Boeing in 2004 and prodded the Pentagon in 2006 to change proposed bidding procedures opposed by Airbus.
EADS retained The Loeffler Group to lobby for the tanker deal last year, months after McCain sent two letters urging the Defense Department to make sure the bidding proposals guaranteed competition between Boeing and Airbus.
“Mccain could care less about Kansas, except for their vote.”
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And he has it! Doesn’t need to make sense to people of no sense.
Exactly the same people who are currently running our economy and foreign policy are coaching, teaching, packaging Palin so she can understand the McCain ticket is all about what already is.
McCain for four more years of the last eight years.
Republican should be honest, and just admit “I don’t care if cost jobs, or cost more for the tanker, I’m still going to vote for mccain.
Ask people in Mobile, Alabama about the tanker deal.
“Phantom” notes –
“Mccain could care less about Kansas, except for their vote.”
And he knows he’s gonna lose Washington state anyway, so why bother?
And McCodger knows he’s gonna win Kansas regardless of substantive issues, so why should he bother?
Here’s a clue:
If you see any commercials for John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) in Kansas, the McCoot campaign is worried.
If there’s any place in America where a Republic Party candidate should think s/he could count on winning without effort, it’s Kansas.
If McC*nt thinks he has to spend media bucks in Kansas, his candidacy is in trouble.
Ask them if the love mccain for helping them get the tanker deal, before they lost it.
My only point is yes it’s a French company (no one has a more of a mean on for France than I) but these are American jobs.
Sore grapes in Wichita because it has a direct local effect. But it’s not like some guy named Pierre in Cannes is going to be working on our Tankers between sips on his latte’ and red wine.
“I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems”
Obama
Obama is naive and dangerous on defense matters:
http://angela-stevens.com/archives/obamas-youtube-arrogance-his-defense-know-not/
I want to be the quarterback on the football team.
McCain, the coach, tells me that I have to be a receiver, instead.
Do I go to the other team?
Or do I do what is best for the team?
Make no mistake, the “team” is the United States.
The game? SURVIVAL!
Its 3 AM:
http://hillaryclinton.com/video/142.aspx
Paulie, for god’s sake, stop humiliating yourself.
The shark called again…
“Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink
I want to be the quarterback on the football team.
McCain, the coach, tells me that I have to be a receiver, instead.
Do I go to the other team?
Or do I do what is best for the team?”
If you are Joe Lieberman you go over to the other team.
KFG
Liberal Democrats have not won a national election in a very, very long time.
Jimmy Carter barely won, against Gerald Ford, after Ford pardoned Nixon, and Jimmy Carter had the Evangelical vote.
Bill Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote. Clinton won because Clinton understands that America is NOT a liberal country. Remember “triangulation”??
Obama is a left wing radical.
Obama is sympathetic to radical Islam.
Obama is sympathetic to Communist tyrants.
Joe Lieberman wants to survive.
Joe Lieberman puts his country first!
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink
Joe Lieberman wants to survive.
Joe Lieberman puts his country first!
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Joe Lieberman wants Joe Lieberman to get re-elected at whatever cost, regardless of what the country needs.
JM
And you think that the country needs Obama?
Well, I guess it depends on WHAT country!
Russia needs Obama
Iran needs Obama
North Korea needs Obama
Obama calls THIS the “prettiest sound on Earth”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBYF1LZ3FI
Why is Joe Lieberman even being discussed?
Except for the fact he’s an embarassment to the Democratic party and now must be rebuked at every chance?
Joe Lieberman
The last SANE Democrat Nominee for VP.
As a testament to his sanity, Lieberman now supports McCain!
Obama 08 ?
Osama 09
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
JM
And you think that the country needs Obama?
Well, I guess it depends on WHAT country!
Russia needs Obama
Iran needs Obama
North Korea needs Obama
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Yes, I think this country needs Obama more than it thinks it needs McSame. Your “video” was about the most cherry-picked POS I’ve watched since this campaign began. For one, Iraq was wrong on many levels, regardless of who voted for it. We went after a tinpot dictator who got his ass handed to him during Desert Storm; he had no WMD; his continuing reign was for the country of Iraq to do something about; it detracted from the real war on terror by diverting weapons, troops and money from Afghanistan. Guess where all the troops will go after Iraq is over? Yep, Afghanistan, where they should have been in the first place.
I agree with Obama’s plan to make this a nuclear weapons free planet. Can it be done? Maybe not, but it sure as hell is worth talking about. We already have weapons and missiles capable of delivering multiple warheads. Why add to that doomsday scenario by developing new ones? It makes no sense: you can only kill a planet once.
Some of your videos spin spots were from over a year ago. Things have changed since then, if you haven’t noticed. Even the “legitimate” government of Iraq wants us out of there.
Obama has never been a Muslim, as has been proven over and over again. Your continued support of such nonsense proves just how a small group of extremists are so afraid of Obama, they’ll resort to plain lies to keep him out of the Presidency.
But you keep crying wolf if it makes you feel better. I do know if you respond to this, it will be the samo-samo shill nonsense you’ve been shilling for the ultra right wing extremists. You have nothing, and nothing is what you’ll get out of this, except maybe a few pieces of silver for betraying the people of this country with your lies and distortions. As MrC said, “Wash, rinse, repeat.”
At long last Franklin paulie, have you no shame?
The very idea that you care anything about this country is laughable to all on this forum who have come to know you so well. You are the charicature of the greedy right.
I see that yet another Leftist progressive Liberal, has been impregnated by the literary sperm of Thomas Frank (MonkeyHock.)
Frank’s casual application of Lib free love and Freudian mind-warping via progressive dogma is an unlicensed orgy of revised history and the hallucination of documented events.
The faithful progressive Libs lap up the curdled seed of Frank like milk from the teat of a dieing sow.
Each progressive Lib as it becomes infested with the inherit traits of distorted liberalism, latches itself to the anti-immune bodies of uncertainty. The Thomas Frank philosophy is a death ghost, laying in wait for the victim to feed like an attached tick, then abruptly die into a meaningless life cycle of birth-rebirth without end or promise.
It must really suck to be a progressive liberal knowing that you’re going to die, sucked dry by the ‘vampiric’ lure of saprophytic decaying events.
“Bill Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote”
But he sure got a lot more votes than the Repuke candidates. Bush not only failed to get a majority of the popular vote in 2000; he didn’t even get a PLURALITY.
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Regular
Posted September 14, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
I see that yet another Leftist progressive Liberal, has been impregnated by the literary sperm of Thomas Frank (MonkeyHock.)
Frank’s casual application of Lib free love and Freudian mind-warping via progressive dogma is an unlicensed orgy of revised history and the hallucination of documented events.
The faithful progressive Libs lap up the curdled seed of Frank like milk from the teat of a dieing sow.
Each progressive Lib as it becomes infested with the inherit traits of distorted liberalism, latches itself to the anti-immune bodies of uncertainty. The Thomas Frank philosophy is a death ghost, laying in wait for the victim to feed like an attached tick, then abruptly die into a meaningless life cycle of birth-rebirth without end or promise.
It must really suck to be a progressive liberal knowing that you’re going to die, sucked dry by the ‘vampiric’ lure of saprophytic decaying events.
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. . . and the neo-conservation extremist religious right continues it’s vitriolic attacks on the American way of life, freedom of speech, and the Constitution of this country. But what, exactly, does that have to do with airplane contracts, other than to make you religious extremists feel good about themselves?
JMWalker
Posted September 14, 2008 at 1:38 pm
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. . . and the neo-conservation extremist religious right continues it’s vitriolic attacks on the American way of life, freedom of speech, and the Constitution of this country. But what, exactly, does that have to do with airplane contracts, other than to make you religious extremists feel good about themselves?
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Just waiting for the next festering sore of human flesh to respond to what I wrote. You’re it!
(dance puppet dance!)
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Regular
Posted September 14, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
Just waiting for the next festering sore of human flesh to respond to what I wrote. You’re it!
(dance puppet dance!)
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Dancing to your puppet brand of logic thrown back in your face? Being a puppet to your own brand of humor is the epitome of the illogical. But then, when have you extremists ever been logical:-)
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JMWalker
Posted September 14, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted September 14, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
Just waiting for the next festering sore of human flesh to respond to what I wrote. You’re it!
(dance puppet dance!)
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Dancing to your puppet brand of logic thrown back in your face? Being a puppet to your own brand of humor is the epitome of the illogical. But then, when have you extremists ever been logical:-)
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Entrapped by his lack of intellectual prowess, Walker spins on this toes and performs an oafish pirouette for the Puppet Master.
(chortles)
JM
Evidence and proof r 2 different things.
Obama, himself, admits in his books that Obama now denies in his campaign.
Somebody wanted to know upthread if the President has much say on a deal like this. It’s certainly a reasonable question to ask. The answer is that the President, by virtue of his position in the U.S. Government, has heavy points wherever he wants them. This is all about calling key people and saying, “Hey, I need coffee and a doughnut.” The guy in Congress says, “Glazed? What kind of coffee do you like?” And the President says, “American.”
If the President wants a thing, people at least think about doing it, because down the road a ways, they’ll need cooperation from the guy.
What’s that mean for Wichita and jobs at Boeing? I’d break it down as follows:
If Obama wins, he will have a Democratic Congress on his side and the Boeing office in his home state. Most important, he does not have coffee and doughnuts every morning with lobbyists from Airbus.
Now let’s look at a McCain win. Here you have a guy with a record of opposing Boeing at every turn. He is surrounded by Airbus lobbyists, and he has no reason whatsoever to give a tinker’s damn what Kansas thinks about anything: as far as he’s concerned, his loyal followers will follow. He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to do it. He might as well oppose Boeing another time and when the deal is done, call Tiahrt: “Hey, Todd?”
And the Congressman says, “Yes, Mr. President?”
“Get me a half dozen glazed doughnuts.”
Tiahrt says, “You like Starbucks coffee with that?”
One more point: based on the lead story in today’s New York Times, here’s what I’d ask the people at Boeing: did anyone go to kindergarten with Sarah Palin?
Sold to the gentleman!
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Regular
Posted September 14, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 14, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink
Dancing to your puppet brand of logic thrown back in your face? Being a puppet to your own brand of humor is the epitome of the illogical. But then, when have you extremists ever been logical:-)
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Entrapped by his lack of intellectual prowess, Walker spins on this toes and performs an oafish pirouette for the Puppet Master.
(chortles)
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I rest my case.
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
JM
Evidence and proof r 2 different things.
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Wow, no kidding? Is that why in this country you are innocent until PROVEN guilty? You seem to be judge, jury and executioner. That works out really well for communist countries and dictators. Is that where you wish to reside? I kinda like this one, myself.
The Sec. of defense is appointed by the Pres. right? Just as mccain leveraged influence on Gates, the pres. has even more as the Sec. is more beholding to the person that appointed him, than a single member of congress.
JM
My remark, about evidence and proof being two different things, was for a reason.
That reason being that YOU have the habit of claiming that weak evidence, on your side, is PROOF of whatever you happen to think.
You use the phrase “proven wrong” way too much to be taken seriously.
Of course they are dfferent things. A wild claim on a predatory porno site might be taken as “evidence” for anything. Especially by those who are into such things. I recall not o long ago someone claiming that he had caprured a Bigfoot and had him in a freezer. I guess that claim was “evidence” too.
;)
I’m so amazed at how those who support McCain can’t tell you the difference between his plan for the economy and Obama’s. The one thing I would hope for is that Americans educate themselves on the issues and where the candidates stand and what their plans are before they vote. Too many cons are just parroting the right wing spin and rhetoric rather than really thinking about what is best for the country. They get hung up on things like the Bible, gun control, abortion, and other issues that have nothing to do with the mess this country is in and don’t seem to have a clue about what a president can and can’t do regarding those issues.
Just one example: there has been only one pro-choice president since Roe vs Wade…but not one of the many pro-life presidents have been able to do anything to overturn it since it became law.
The stupidest thing I’ve seen is to brag about being a “maverick” and a Washington outsider, and then be so arrogant and ignorant to think you’ll go to the White House and clean up the whole system. McCain has been a Washington “insider” for a long time and hasn’t done it yet….what makes him think that a woman who is 2 year governor of a state with less than a million residents and knows how to shoot a moose is going to change things once she’s with him there?
Get a reality check….do you really want 4 more years of the same with McCain? Can you afford it? Even if you could, why would you want to? He’s voted with Bush’s policies more than 90% of the time. Bush has been the worst president in my lifetime…why would anyone in their right mind want someone who is just like him? Do you hate America that much?
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink
JM
My remark, about evidence and proof being two different things, was for a reason.
That reason being that YOU have the habit of claiming that weak evidence, on your side, is PROOF of whatever you happen to think.
You use the phrase “proven wrong” way too much to be taken seriously.
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And you present NO credible evidence. So there is nothing to PROVE on my part, other than you are continuously wrong. I NEED no evidence to either prove or disprove pure b**l s**t coming from you. B**l s**t speaks, and smells, for itself.
ben
You have a reading comprehension problem.
The “wild claim” on the porno site would be that said porno site put forward a bogus polygraph test by a bogus Phd in order to defend Obama.
The porno site was not attacking Obama.
The porno site was defending Obama.
JM
There is proof positive that Joe Biden’s son charged an opponent of Obama with a crime, and then dropped the charges.
The wingers know full well that when it comes to welfare for the wealthy, you can’t beat the CON gravy-train.
Republican motto: We’re dedicated to redistributing wealth to the already rich.
Or more briefly,
It’s a class war, and we’re winning.
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Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 5:56 pm | Permalink
JM
There is proof positive that Joe Biden’s son charged an opponent of Obama with a crime, and then dropped the charges.
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Only in your mini-mind does that mean anything at all.
The porno site also has publicized the incredible charges in the first place. And you, Paul, have also done so with absolutely no evidence to support the veracity of the charges.
Paul – if the charges were bogus then why hasn’t Biden been charged with that?
Leaman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, A.I.G. all falling on their faces, three of the biggest names in American fiance.
Franklin, even you can’t deny that greed, unbridled, unregulated greed has us on the edge of financial ruin. I guess the so-called Masters of the Universe weren’t so damned smart after all.
Ah, hubris, God love it. It always brings down the guys who think they are the smartest in the room.
I could well see you all in the bread line.
Republicans. Gaaaaaa!!!
Dennis
Ben
You are naive beyond belief.
Or perhaps dishonest?
False arrest and false charges do happen far too much.
Rarely is their any lawsuit for false arrest.
Beau Biden falsely arrested this guy, and after extraditing him to Delaware, dropped the charges.
THAT is the story.
The sleazy allegation against Obama?
That is called “MOTIVE” in the false arrest, for political purposes.
Yellow dog
Again, the financial mess is VERY bipartisan.
What do you want to bet that Lehman contributed to Joe Biden?
Many, many corporations are domiciled in Delaware.
Biden voted to repeal Glass Steagel.
Biden takes large contributions from financial firms.
Lehman Brothers political contributions:
http://www.politicalbase.com/groups/lehman-brothers/13087/
Senator in 2008
Frank Lautenberg $19,600
Joe Biden $7,000
Katrina Swett $4,600
Max Baucus $2,900
Jay Rockefeller $2,300
Chuck Hagel $2,300
Jon Bruning $2,000
Saxby Chambliss $2,000
Norm Coleman $2,000
Tim Johnson $2,000
Representative in 2008
Rahm Emanuel $25,300
Jerrold Lewis Nadler $4,600
Nick Lampson $4,200
Chris Murphy $4,000
Tim Mahoney $3,600
Joe Courtney $3,600
Charles B. Rangel $3,300
L. Duckworth $3,100
Ron Klein $3,000
Kirsten Gillibrand $2,750
Money to parties
Democratic $2,403,401
Republican $1,328,091
Other $45,750
Independent $3,500
Green $1,750
President in 2008
Barack Obama $216,135
Rudy Giuliani $128,100
Hillary Clinton $119,500
John McCain $54,125
Mitt Romney $52,450
Chris Dodd $37,500
John Edwards $21,700
Joe Biden $16,100
Bill Richardson $13,800
Ron Paul $2,250
“Franklin
Posted September 14, 2008 at 8:11 pm | Permalink
Ben
You are naive beyond belief.
Or perhaps dishonest?”
What a joke you are PaulTheShill! And you accuse ME of bullying etc when I point out your extreme ignorance and dishonesty in regards to science.
IF there is something there as you claim then you should PROVE it. Or is just your wild accusation all that is required in Shill-land?
Ben
My accusation is that Democrat VP candidate Joe Biden’s SON, the AG of Delaware, had a man arrested, outside of his own jurisdiction, and extradited that person to Delaware, immediately after a political speech in which that person had attacked Obama.
Then, all charges were dismissed.
That, alone, is pretty bad, regardless of the statements made by the person who was falsely arrested.
I have proven my point, every portion of my point.
Political trials, political arrests, are way out of bounds in this country.
And Ben,
You are so lacking in simple common sense, and so lacking in reading comprehension, it would be rather odd for you to be better at both, where science is concerned.
Your brain is second rate, Ben, based on what you have posted on this thread, alone.
A second rate brain is second rate, no matter the subject.
Thank you for the compliment PaulTheShill. Coming from a bottom-feeding scumbag shill like you your insults are taken as the opposite.
Thanks again PaulTheShill!
It’s funny how a guy with a second rate brain can graduate with honors from MIT. And with high honors from WSU.
Paul, you might have a modicum of intelligence. Unfortunately since you are absolutely devoid of any shred of honor, ethics, or morals it really makes no difference.
“YellowdogLiberal” notes –
“Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, A.I.G. all falling on their faces, three of the biggest names in American finance….”
And the campaign of John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) would rather talk about cosmetics on barnyard animals.
For good reason, as it turns out.
Because the CONservatives know they’ve ruined the economy and the only way their personal and corporate fortunes can be salvaged is by staying in power and making taxpayers pay for the sins of George WMD Bush, (The Big) Dick Cheney, Greenspan, Enron… the usual suspects.
And the Republic Party has been so incredibly malevolent, they’ve moved the goalposts past credulity. As egregious as the Moose-Dresser’s book-banning bullying was, it’s pretty small potatoes compared with a full frontal assault on the United States Treasury by plutocrats.
Was anyone paying attention when the Supreme Court equated Free Speech with money?
Doesn’t sound very free to me.
We need to come to grips with the question of which is most important? Nationalism — in our case, Americanism — or corporatism; where multi-national greed transcends any source of commonality outside of ones investment portfolio.
Some clown was on TV last night who was peddling his scheme that “proves” no one has to pay income taxes.
“Three payments of $19.95, BUT WAIT!
If you call within the next twenty minutes (because we can’t do this all day), we’ll throw in a Cap-Snaffler. Snaffles caps off of jugs, bottles, and jars and it really really works!”
My mentor in the 80s used to muse about all those leveraged buy-outs made possible by Reaganomics. The rationales for that topsy-turvy business strategy always included some comment about how they “could service the debt…” but never addressed the principle.
That’s the economic house of cards we’re living in.
We should be in a “not if, but when” mindset about the economy. The next President, at the most optimistic the President after him, is going to have to deal with an economic catastrophe.
It probably won’t be a “Crash” as in 1929. But we’re starting a Crumble. Government bails out — socializes, really — the investor class and attempts to play out the game with feints and dekes long enough to keep the
c*nt’swife’s nine houses and private jet and leave you with the tab.But none of that matters. I’ve heard Obama might be 44% Muslim.
I get the feeling we have seen a good example of the “ethical standards” (sic) that have led to these financial fiascos with our own PaulTheShill. Take a little factoid and dress it up to make it look like a big story. They do the same thing when they dress up their financial statements to try to make them look good. A little hint of truth so they can’t really get nailed with the lack of enforcement that exists out there. I wonder if PaulTheShill is as devoid of ethics in his profession as he is in his politics.
Libs
If you wish to make Lehman a political issue, it will hurt Democrats.
Lehman Brothers execs contributed HEAVILY to Obama and to Clinton.
Biden was also received large contributions from Lehman Brothers.
“I wonder if PaulTheShill is as devoid of ethics in his profession as he is in his politics.”
I don’t wonder about that at all. I’m SURE that Franklinpaulie sells insurance to people who he knows will be denied on claims.
63.51% of the political contributions from Lehman Brothers went to the Democrat Party or to Democrat Party candidates, in 2008.
Obama received more money, from Lehman Brothers, than any other presidential candidate, $216,135.
Joe Biden received $16,100 for his presidential race and an additional $7,000 for his Senate campaign.
http://www.politicalbase.com/groups/lehman-brothers/13087/
BJ
Dimwit
90% of the health insurance that I sell is Medicare Supplement Insurance.
By law, the insurance company can NOT pay unless Medicare approves the claim, first.
By law, the insurance company MUST pay its share, if Medicare approves the claim.
Oh so you bilk seniors?
Why am I not surprised?
Of all the financial implosions of the past year I consider the worst to be fannie and Freddie. They both traded on their ‘quasi-government’ status while their executives paid themselves multi-millions. I’d like to see the courts find a way to force disgorgement (sp?)
IndyMac is an interesting case. From what I have seen the FDIC receiver is trying to work out the loans instead of foreclosing. That will likely end up costing LESS in loses.
A question about IndyMac to me: Where the heck did it come from? I don’t recall that bank from my time in Pasadena. Did it grow out of nowhere? Such explosive growth was common in the run-up to the S&L debacle as high-risk backed by the taxpayers was also the norm. I seem to recall a small suburban Chicago S&L balooning from a small local thrift to a powerhouse – and then imploding.
“63.51% of the political contributions from Lehman Brothers went to the Democrat Party or to Democrat Party candidates, in 2008.”
But of course, they were looking for someone to save them, but alas, it was already too late.
Medicare supplement insurance?
I’d like to see your niche market wiped out Franklinpaulie.
So you’d have to get a real job?
Health care should be a right not just to seniors but to all Americans.
Lehman may be crooked but they ain’t dumb. They want to back a winner and hope maybe that will help them. Who did they back in 2004? 2000?
econ posted September 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm
“90% of the health insurance that I sell. . .”
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Don’t YOU get paid econ, for selling that health insurance, REGARDLESS of whether the claims are approved, or even filed?
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bth
Posted September 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink
Of all the financial implosions of the past year I consider the worst to be fannie and Freddie. They both traded on their ‘quasi-government’ status while their executives paid themselves multi-millions. I’d like to see the courts find a way to force disgorgement (sp?)
IndyMac is an interesting case. From what I have seen the FDIC receiver is trying to work out the loans instead of foreclosing. That will likely end up costing LESS in loses.
A question about IndyMac to me: Where the heck did it come from? I don’t recall that bank from my time in Pasadena. Did it grow out of nowhere? Such explosive growth was common in the run-up to the S&L debacle as high-risk backed by the taxpayers was also the norm. I seem to recall a small suburban Chicago S&L balooning from a small local thrift to a powerhouse – and then imploding.
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No, the most significant financial implosion was the toilet paper industry. I mean it really comes down to a choice if you want to use the high dollar roll paper or a newspaper to complete your business. ;)
Thank you regular for the most intelligent post from the ‘right’ all evening.
And with that – good night all!
:)
I am writting this to both partys. All aircraft companys out source to overseas companys that is the only way they can be competitive in the open market. I was in purchasing at learjet and Raytheon before they became Hawkerbeechcraft and had to out source.I did not like it but I had to make aliving. We had in house costs to work from and on the normal you could save 38 to 49 percent of costs by out sourcing. The overseas aircraft Mfgs would eat our lunch if the U.S. Mfgs relied on U.S. costs only.
Well flatlander I was at Raytheon aircraft.
The parts and assemblies outsourced? Mostly they came in as rework or scrap. Who KNOWS where the budget disappears or gets kicked back to to pay for that.
Long story short? I wouldn’t fly in any plane that has any outsourcing or subcontracting in it.
So, I don’t fly.
cosmos
You, too, are an idiot.
There is a “privacy waiver” in nearly every Medicare Supplement application.
That waiver allows Medicare to notify the private insurance company, electronically, as to any claim that Medicare approves or declines.
This electronic “EOB” or explanation of benefits is, basically, an order by Medicare for the private supplement company to pay its share of the bill.
So, as far as the companies that I represent?
The only claims that are denied are denied by Medicare.
CMS, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, is the gatekeeper.
Yes, Medicare does deny some claims sometimes.
Sometimes, I have gotten involved and gotten those claims paid.
You would be lucky to have an agent like me.
I have fixed many bogus Medicare premium penalties, in cases where the government screwed up.
I have fixed many billing errors, simply by calling the medical provider.
There are something like 13 different codes, for the various “tread mill tests” for instance.
When the code entered does not match the “Medicare Assignment” dollar figure — the claim will be rejected.
I call the provider and jokingly ask if the regular billing clerk went on vacation that week.
More than half the time, the answer is a sheepish, “yes” and I tell them to resubmit the bill, to Medicare.
Problem solved.
Medicare, by the way, rarely tries to fix a billing problem, they just deny the claim.
I am responsible for FIXING problems caused by the billing clerks.
I also am responsible for fixing problems caused by bureaucrats who do not understand the rules as well as I do.
Actually,
Even though Lehman heavily favored Democrats — It is childish to assume that every financial failure is criminal.
That just is not true.
Capitalism demands failures from time to time.
You can not have true success without some failures.
Now, the role of the government is to protect the markets and to protect the innocent, without causing a “moral hazard” —
Moral Hazard, in financial terms, is defined as an encouragement for the private sector to do stupid things with their money, in the expectation that the government will bail them out.
econ,
So that’s a “yes”? YOU do get paid, for selling that health insurance, REGARDLESS of whether the claims are approved, or even filed?
Yes
I am sticking up for the Democrat loving people at Lehman Brothers.
It is not a criminal act to run a business that tanks.
It is not fair to call the people at Lehman “crooks” — that simply is not in evidence at this time.
cosmos
You dork.
The medical provider files the claim.
Rather easy to do.
All they need is the Medicare Card Number.
Then, If the claim does NOT get paid?
That was Medicare’s decision.
I do my best to help, since it might have been a billing mistake.
However, it was the GOVERNMENT that denied the claim.
It is also the GOVERNMENT that does not allow private insurance to pay, unless and until the GOVERNMENT approves its portion of the claim.
Does the loan officer at the bank get paid, whether the loan is approved or not?
Does the divorce attorney get paid, even if you get taken to the cleaners?
Does the heart surgeon get paid, even if you die?
It is my job to do the best I can to manage risk.
Humility and honesty demand that I tell my client:
I can not control the government, perfectly predict the economy, or micro manage the claim process.
However, I can sure help them get through it. And I have, thousands of times.
We need you out of the way Franklinpaulie.
We NEED national health insurance.
BJ
You truly are a moron.
There is absolutely, positively NO WAY that any change in health insurance rules, for those under 65, will impact those over 65 or on Medicare.
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!
Not a single Democrat in Congress, pushing “health care” as an issue, is the least bit interested in changing the Medicare laws.
NOT ONE!
However, YOU need to buy your own insurance.
You are the type of irresponsible deadbeat that Obama was talking about.
People who can afford insurance and refuse to buy insurance?
Obama said he would “garnish your wagees” —
That would be funny!
Hone your grocery sacking skills Franklin.
It WILL be tough since you fought against union rights for those folks.
But you are about to be right back there.
We are going to have national health care. That puts peddlers and exploiters like you out of business.
econ,
Okay, I’ll assume that is a “yes”. YOU econ, get paid, for selling that health insurance, REGARDLESS of whether the claims are approved, or even filed.
econ gets paid for selling that health insurance, even if his clients do not need health care.
That Charlie Brown toon Character is still spamming hatred here!!!!!!!! Well hell has a place for you and you’re well on your way Franklin. Really too bad that some never bother to read what they type so they can do some self examination. You don’t happen to live in a Klan community do you? Your worthless rants only show you’re IQ falls into the easily brainwashed by The Rush The Drugged Lush or MAnn Coulter types. Following hatred anywhere can only end you up with the Biggest of them all in hell.
That Charlie Brown toon Character is still spamming hatred here!!!!!!!! Well hell has a place for you and you’re well on your way Franklin. Really too bad that some never bother to read what they type so they can do some self examination. You don’t happen to live in a Klan community do you? Your worthless rants only show your IQ falls into the easily brainwashed by The Rush The Drugged Lush or MAnn Coulter types. Following hatred anywhere can only end you up with the Biggest of them all in hell.
Nothing judgemental or hatful about your post is there Sahdow?(just to let you know that was sarcasm)
bluejay if that is the case and it is not why was the MRB crib so full of parts that had to be reworked or scrapped that was made at Raytheon.
It’s even worse at Boeing. Pretty much all of the hourly workers plan to vote for McCain even though they know he may eliminate their jobs.
My son was on the fire dept at Boeing and took a job as a city fire fighter,even at lower pay because there were rumors around that the Fire Dept at Boeing was going to be done away with in a couple of years. He said he didn’t know how much truth there were to the rumor but wasn’t willing to find out.
Everyone seems to overlook the fact that the Boeing scandal involved the Air Force procurement officer as well. So it was individuals that broke the rules not Companies or Military. Why does the rest have to pay? Some of Boeings out sourceing is to sell planes to other countries. They do not out source military work. It would be very wrong to give a sensitive military contract to France which is facist. We would be at their mercy if they decided to not provide spare parts for the AC.
“Humility and honesty”
Two words that should never be used in referring to PaulTheShrillShill.
You still read his posts, Ben?
comic relief
:)
Mccain had no clue that any rules had been broken, he went after Boeing,and eventually found something, that would enable him to get the contract killed.
Point is, he was on a vendetta when he stumbled onto the scandal. It’s not like he knew about the back scratching when he went out to get the deal undone.
Big difference. Shows what his original motive was.
You can find Medicare in London. Lehman Brothers would have you believe otherwise. Nuclear weapons itself is just short of 100 hundred dollars.