“I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.” — John McCain last year, talking about Hillary Clinton’s health care plan.
“You can put lipstick on a pig. It’s still a pig.” — Barack Obama on Tuesday, criticizing McCain’s stated commitment to change.
“Sen. Obama uttered what I can only describe to be disgusting comments, comparing our vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, to a pig.” — Former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift, who is leading the McCain camp’s new “Palin Truth Squad” (Palin joked last week that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick).
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Personally, I don’t think he meant to refer to Palin, but what is hilarious is that the Democrat faithful at the rally did!
The argument of some, that he trying to be clever and get in a jab while claiming innocence, has some appeal.
the GOP needs to grow up a little – not everything directed at their v.p. candidate is sexist
My question is why does mccain relate a remark about a pig, to his running mate?
So now the Moose-Dresser owns all rights to the word “lipstick?”
What a bunch of petty whining pantywastes.
That’s a well used expression, lipstick on a pitbull isn’t.
Was the fish wrapped in newspaper also another underhand comment directed at Palin? Did he mean to imply she smells like a fishwife?
If this nonsense is an indication, the time from now to the election is going to be non-stop mud fest!
If you’re a republican it’s perfectly reasonable to be outraged by the Obama comment, and not bothered in the least by the mccain comment. It comes with the territory.
Obama putting it on them about trying for the phoney outrage, and not talking about issues.
This is beyond silly. No, it’s not sexist. It’s a fairly common phrase, as demonstrated by its use by both candidates in various contexts.
This is one the McCain campaign should let go. The Obama campaign is self-destructing all alone; it don’t need any help. There have been plenty of baseless – and sexist – attacks on Sarah Palin by the Kos-slop folks (we’ve seen most of them from Kos’ mouthpieces on this blog) and Obama’s surrogates, and the blowback has been disasterous for Obama.
The worm turns.
I don’t think I’ll waste anymore time on this topic. It’s much ado about nothing.
Is calling the One “Curious George” a racist remark?
No because he looks like curious george. Has nothing to do with race. He just happens to look like a monkey.
But don’t call Biden “the Man in the Yellow Hat” because Biden doesn’t look mexican at all. That would be racist.
Does Sarah look like a pig with lipstick?
Didn’t think so, but black men aren’t exactly famous for having respect for white women.
I believe McCain, when using the pig comment, specifically stated he was referring to Hillary’s health care plan so there was no mistake what he was talking about.
There was no confusion or interpretation he was referring to Hillary.
Obama did not do that, and in the recent context of Palin’s speech at the RNC Obama’s use of the term was quickly understood to be a reference to Palin specifically. And, his audience took it exactly that way themselves, hooting and laughing.
He took a cheap, low rent shot and got caught again.
Since Palin first brought lipstick into what passes for political debate these days, it wouldn’t be sexist even if he was directly referring to her. I agree with GMC: it’s silly.
Obama’s personal response is already on Youtube, and it’s a nice reminder of the stakes in this election, and how this kind of bullshit is designed to divert attention away from anything of importance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b42UI_m-HSU
It’s somewhat amusing to watch. Obama’s entire candidacy is a product of a fawning MSM. It’s amusing to see them put heat on him over something so nonsensical.
I imagine Hillary is really pi-s-s-ed about now.
It really hinges on whether the lipstick color is flattering the pig or not!
At least this Republican had the balls to say it: ‘The truth does not matter’:
“John Feehery, a Republican strategist, said the campaign is entering a stage in which skirmishes over the facts are less important than the dominant themes that are forming voters’ opinions of the candidates.
“‘The more the New York Times and The Washington Post go after Sarah Palin, the better off she is, because there’s a bigger truth out there and the bigger truths are she’s new, she’s popular in Alaska and she is an insurgent,” Feehery said. “As long as those are out there, these little facts don’t really matter.’”
See WashPost link above.
Maybe I am old fashion, but I think Americans basically loathe liars. So, I am not seeing the advantage conferred to McCain/Palin by their numerous lies.
Someone should tell PETA about this….those poor pigs… :(
Wow, biased1, your comments are so low, they should be on WichitaNewsBrief. You’d feel right at home there.
anyway, the Curious George references are old news. They began back when W was elected. Ever heard of bushorchimp.com?
Oh great! Now ” PETA Pigs for Palin”!
Posting this here because if the world had been destroyed today I would have been pissed because I wouldn’t have been around to see how this important subject resolved.
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WE are all still here!
The world’s most powerful physics experiment is well and truly under way.
Scientists cheered as a beam of proton particles completed their first circuit of the 27km long Large Hadron Collider (LHC).
At 8.30am today, the machine which some fear could create a giant black hole capable of swallowing the planet was switched on.
Dr Lyndon Evans, known as Lyn, is leader of the Large Hadron Collider project at the Geneva-based European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN).
The white-haired Welshman showed few signs of stress, however, even finding time for a small joke when the machine took a second longer than expected to demonstrate it was operating correctly.
“Five, four, three, two, one, zero,” he counted down, then smiled as he added: “Nothing.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1668971.ece
McCain, Palin, and the press need to shut up about this. Making mountains outof nothing. Damn
What? The man in the yellow hat was Mexican?
Lipstick on a pig ?
I thought that they were describing Regulars love life …..
Messiah Obama needs to understand the times have changed and there is no tolerance for his sexism. He should cease coming up with all kinds of bashing McCain to justify his sexist remark. He should acknowledge the sexism and move on.
crat3 — You’re assuming that only women wear lipstick? How sexist.
FirstAmendmentFan
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink
crat3 — You’re assuming that only women wear lipstick? How sexist.
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You are right, Maggotpunk wears lipstick and he’s a man(?).
30 lawyers and the best he’s got is a pig with lipstick?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK4oWay1VbE
Shoot the pig and lets have a BBQ, then move on about our business as usual.
If Obama is the second coming shouldn’t Sarah be back at home getting her congregation ready to administer to those that are left? Or, is it to those that are left behind? The whole End-times thing is just so confusing!
Mccain’s publicly called his wife worse.
Of course Palin will have to do the shooting, cleaning, and BBQ-ing, as Obama probably wouldn’t know where to begin.
Phantom
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
Mccain’s publicly called his wife worse.
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When?
I don’t think the Obama-messiah was talking about Sarah Barracuda, But probably Oprah, Nancy or that broad his preacher knocked up down in Texas.
A few childish comments and mud slinging is it a sign of a stagnant campaign or acts of desperation?
Here is part of a letter from a friend who grew up in a Muslim country. He has no reason to lie.
“When I heard Obama utter the statement about “Lipstick on a pig” I knew exactly what he meant.
The word “pig” is meant to insult. It is not a joke. I know that because I grew up in a Muslim country ( Malaysia ). Among Muslims no one uses the “pig” word against anyone unless one’s looking for a fight! It is the ultimate insult a Muslim can inflict on his enemy!
Obama does not want anyone to use his middle Muslim name “Hussein” so that we won’t think he’s a Muslim. No one who’s born a Muslim can denounce his faith. Obama let slip with “my Muslim faith” in one of the talk shows a few days ago. He is a Muslim to the core. That’s why the Muslim world is championing him to be the President of America. Remember who financed him to study at Harvard?”
We know from his autobiography that he had Muslim roommates in college of foreign nationality. Now it turns out that an influential, radical black Muslim with close ties to the Saudi royal family and an outspoken opponent of Israel helped finance Obama’s law school education. Obama’s benefactor at the young age of 25 is Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour a/k/a Donald Warden. Here are some facts you should know about al-Mansour according to a Newmax investigative report:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2076161/posts
I don’t think little Barry meant anything sexist by his lipstick/pig remark.
Wasn’t very ‘presidential’ though.
Indie
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
Lipstick on a pig ?
I thought that they were describing Regulars love life ….
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Nothing better than a Chester White or a big red Duroc.
Is that Hillary’s photo?
Yeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monica was the better choice.
There’s breaking news about interior dept. official having sex with oil industry people.
Haven’t found it in print yet.
Two-party ‘charade’ must end, Ron Paul says
Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas called on voters to back a third-party candidate for president Wednesday, rejecting his party’s nominee and offering equally harsh words for the Democratic candidate.
Paul, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination this year, told supporters at the National Press Club in Washington that he is not endorsing GOP nominee Sen. John McCain or Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama.
Instead, Paul will give his seal of approval to four candidates: Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, independent candidate Ralph Nader and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.
Paul said he’s supporting the third-party candidates because the two major parties and media had “colluded” to avoid discussing issues and falsely presenting the difference between McCain and Obama as real.
“I’ve come to the conclusion, after having spent many years in politics, is that our presidential elections turn out to be more of a charade than anything else, and I think that is true today. It is a charade,” he said.
Paul offered an open endorsement to the four candidates because each signed onto a policy statement that calls for “balancing budgets, bring troops home, personal liberties and investigating the Federal Reserve,” an aide to the congressman said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/paul.endorsement/index.html
“Indie” posits –
“Lipstick on a pig ?
I thought that they were describing Regulars love life …..”
Nah.
Unless it was an inflatable pig.
Guess the Interior dept. is supposed to make a release.
ANTI
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
Phantom
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
Mccain’s publicly called his wife worse.
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When?
Sex is a crime now?
At least somebody in Government is FOR drilling.
Here is Obama giving Hillary the “finger” —
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM
Obama has a history of showing disrespect to women.
Phantom, I’ve been searching too and can’t yet find anything except investigations into ten officials who may have corruptly influenced energy deals, ethics violations, secretary of the interior will be holding a news conference…
Another day in the bushco administration.
I see Rage has posted something to yesterday’s Open (since there isn’t a today’s Open).
Steven?
What “lies”
Are you one of the libs that claimed Palin “lied” about stopping the “bridge to nowhere”??
The Alaska Democrat Party, in a page attacking Senator Stevens, specifically gave partial credit to Sarah Palin, for STOPPING that bridge.
However, they took it down, so I can not link it for you.
Just a hint: If you call someone a “liar” without proof? That makes YOU the liar!
Here it is. Republicans, let the Good Times Roll, Driller here, Driller Now!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/washington/11royalty.html
Phantom
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
Mccain’s publicly called his wife worse.
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When? Phantom, were you just making stuff up again like political mama?
Mccain can smear lipstick all over the Republican Pig, but it’ll still be politics as usual.
Mccain’s funding from the oil companies is going to be cast in an especially bad light. Think he’ll give it back?
Article mentions some 80 oil(interior) dept officials being involved. Interior dept. sounds like a bush/mccain frat. house.
you see man, It’s not like a white man calling a bitch a pig. When a black man calls a white woman pig, it’s like callin’ a bitch, a ho’. Don’t mean no dissin’ is goin’ on….
signed,
Isahia Thomas
McCain voted AGAINST the last energy bill, saying it had too many “give aways” to “big oil”.
Obama voted FOR the last energy bill.
Isn’t palin pressing for the Interior dept.’s oil be made available to the oil companies? Does she have more skeletons in her closet?
John McCain was FOR using the phrase before he was AGAINST it. TYPICAL.
Hey liar, Rosell,
Check out my 1:01 post – not one,but instead three links backing up my claims about the lies of your V.P candidate:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/lipstick-on-a-pig-suddenly-sexist-remark/#comments
Just a tip to you joker: You are, and have been, such a loathesome liar here, that you don’t have any privilege to make that charge against anyone else. How can you tell when Rosell is lying? – his lips are moving, or his keyboard is making clicking sounds. :)
Other unimportant news. Pentagon admits (finally) the Afghan strategy isn’t working. Who Knew?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080910/ts_nm/afghan_usa_pakistan_dc_2
Better to discuss a remark taken out of context. Eh?
Sorry for the repeat. I thought that my original post was being held up for moderation, maybe it is not. But, still, repeating the fact that Rosell is a loathesome liar is indeed redundant and obvious on its very face to any human with a brain.
To all neocon posters, Obama didn’t call anyone a pig. He said McCain trying to pass himself off as an agent of change was like putting lipstick on a pig.
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bth
Posted September 10, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
John McCain was FOR using the phrase before he was AGAINST it. TYPICAL.
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Indeed.
However, the context when compared to present circumstances indicates a lack of judgment.
Lipstick on a ( ) said one day when there is no comparative statement is probably fine.
However, when it is known that the words lipstick and an animal is used and has become famous or infamous, then the use of the phrase (lipstick on a pig) has a double entendre.
It would be like entering a police station full of cops and start talking about your visit to a pork factory and talking about all the ‘pigs’ that were slaughtered. Imagine the eyebrows that would be raised.
So yeah, Obama’s sense of timing deliberate or unintentional indicates a lack of good judgment.
Phantom
Posted September 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
Other unimportant news. Pentagon admits (finally) the Afghan strategy isn’t working. Who Knew?
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Burn and destroy all the opium, kill and destroy all the enemy.
Two things you MUST do to win in Afghanistan.
No one has the guts to do it.
No do? No win.
liberals
When Obama gave Hillary the finger, the entire crowd KNEW exactly what Obama meant.
When Obama used the “lipstick on a pig” — likewise, the entire crowd knew what Obama meant.
Obama was putting down Palin.
Context, people, context.
obama -
Nor does having a Bible in a White hating church make you a Christian.
Especially if you say “My Muslim Faith”.
I say that makes obama a Muslim just like Osama.
What say you obama?
I found this an interesting take on a group of women voters — Hillary supporters.
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Commentary: It’s not Hillary’s role to attack Sarah Palin
I am (and always will be) a Hillary Clinton supporter. Now that Our Girl has had her chance, I and many of the quiet women like me will vanish into the woodwork.
We never really were that political. We just knew she was the most qualified person running for president. And yes, she was a women, so we felt called to help her. (Finally, one of ours!)
If Obama had picked Our Girl, most likely, Sarah Palin would not have been the vice presidential choice. Sensing the national hunger for a female candidate, however, the Republicans (or let’s give the man credit — John McCain) picked one instead.
This week, the drums are beating for Hillary to attack Sarah. I don’t think she should. I don’t think she would. Being the pit bull is the job of the vice presidential candidate.
Here’s the tricky part. Women do not consider women interchangeable. Hillary and Sarah are about as far apart as two candidates could be. Hillary is pro-choice, pro-gun control and pro-gay. Sarah is pro-life, pro-gun and anti-gay.
Hillary supporters would rarely become Sarah girls. But, out of curiosity, like the rest of America, they did listen to her convention speech. And, by any measure, Gov. Palin gave a helluva speech.
All her family challenges became positives. She had her Down syndrome child, and now she is the advocate for children with special needs. Her eldest son doesn’t go to college? She’s a military mom! He’s going to Iraq! And her teenage daughter who became pregnant? Well, Sarah’s messy family began to look like everyone else’s messy family, and thus she awakened the quiet women of her party. The Conservative Christians. The Hockey Moms. They are so energized you can feel it.
I’ll say this: I like the cut of your jib, Sarah Palin. You’re smart and funny and feisty. I get the feeling that nobody pushes around The Sarah. (And we women are tired of being pushed around.)
I can’t vote for you because we are on the opposite side of the issues. I don’t vote for people just because they have a uterus. But I sincerely hope you and your quiet women have a great ride, just the way we did. Give ‘em hell, Sarah!
Hillary is reminding me to vote for the Democrats, because their issues and positions are my issues and positions. Tip O’Neill, late Speaker of the House, always said that people liked to be asked for their vote. That should be Hillary’s job. Ask for our vote, and we will give it to you. Or perhaps I should say, your party.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/condon.palin/index.html
Regular
Posted September 10, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink
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bth
Posted September 10, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
John McCain was FOR using the phrase before he was AGAINST it. TYPICAL
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Yeah, but come on Reg, that was a pretty good one.
libdave
“To all neocon posters, Obama didn’t call anyone a pig. He said McCain trying to pass himself off as an agent of change was like putting lipstick on a pig.”
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Unlike most I agree with obama is going to be about change.
Change from
a Christian perspective to a Mulim perspective.
to higher taxes
repariations for the undeserving
socialist agenda
hate for the White man.
love for the homosexual agenda
from bad to evil
Yep he is about change
the One is pissed at the white women. Had a little slip up, and I’ll bet the “lipstick on a pig” comment will only cement that 20pt white woman swing.
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biased1
Posted September 10, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 10, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink
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bth
Posted September 10, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
John McCain was FOR using the phrase before he was AGAINST it. TYPICAL
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Yeah, but come on Reg, that was a pretty good one.
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“Coon hunting” is a perfectly acceptable phrase when you are hunting raccoons.
However, I would advice against it while in the lobby of a hotel hosting a NAACP convention.
would advice against= would advise agaisnt
Riiight, and if you think about it Pig, starts with P., Palin not so uncoincidentally also starts with P.! Ergo, Obama was clearly carefully insinuating palin is a pig, even if he didn’t mention her name in his address, it’s common knowledge that Palin starts with P.
GMC must get disillusioned with the folks in his group, he seems at times to appear rationale.
>Kandisue
>Nor does having a Bible in a White hating church make you a Christian.
A lot White Christians do hate and are biased.
Agree? Them having a Bible in their hands, can’t cause forgiveness and respect for others in their soul.
>I say that makes obama a Muslim just like Osama.
Vote that way, who cares. You look at Bush’s negative effects on this country across the board, name a problem, it’s been run by Republican values office from D.C.
You got stock or 401K the SEC hasn’t been paying attention to corporate fraud. You paying more for gas, McCain says DRILL NOW, how does that affect lower prices of oil artificially manipulated?
When things really matter, you will stick to silliness.
Regular- “Coon hunting” is a perfectly acceptable phrase when you are hunting raccoons.
However, I would advice against it while in the lobby of a hotel hosting a NAACP convention.
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Do you suppose the NAACP shopped around and got the most niggardly hotel?
Or would they have just wrecked their budget?
Phathom, they went over the sound byte today AGAIN just to make sure, and what the One SAID was “I’d like to get her lipstick on MY pig”….
That pretty much puts an end to this thread…
“get me a cup of coffee would you” to a waitress, is not sexist.
“get me a cup of coffee” to a female coworker, of the same status, IS sexist.
Context.
Oil companies and govt. haven’t only been screwing us at the pump but also at the royalty payment of America’s share. The answer is to get more royaty oil flowing in.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_go_ot/interior_oil_trysts_4
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/both-campaigns-used-lipstick-quip/167931?icid=200100397×1208860026x1200540584
THIS is the pig story… Please note that McCain used the SAME pig reference to talk about Hillary’s health care program last fall, and Cheney used the SAME reference four years ago, campaigning against Kerry!!
Sexist??? NO way!! Funny??? YEP!!!
This appears to be at the Denver office, are there offices country wide? If there are, I bet their actions are the rule and not the exception.
Chas, when are you going camping?
biased1
Posted September 10, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink
Phathom, they went over the sound byte today AGAIN just to make sure, and what the One SAID was “I’d like to get her lipstick on MY pig”….
That pretty much puts an end to this thread…
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THAT is a blatant LIE!!! And you KNOW it is… Obama was not even talking about Palin!! What an IDIOT you are!!!
Better put some lipstick on your pig if you are headed out camping, big foot…
RE: Bigfoot….
DNFTT!!!
I was thinking about putting some lipstick on you big boy.
Don’t you know it’s hard out here for a Squatch!
The stupid DimLibs are gullible enough to believe anything if it fits their sick agenda.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/10/johns.internet.rumors.cnn
Franklin says >>>
“get me a cup of coffee” to a female coworker, of the same status, IS sexist.
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Sometimes it would be sexist… Other times, not… IF the female co-worker is getting up and heading for the coffee pot, and asks if anybody wants anything…. and a male were to say “get me a cup of coffee” that is FAR from being sexist…
IF the male worker turns to the female worker next to him, and says, “Hey, go get me a coffee….” Then YES, it is sexist…
LOTS of gray areas there, Franklin… LOTS of them….
Big Foot is a total ASS
Mrage
Vote that way, who cares. You look at Bush’s negative effects on this country across the board, name a problem, it’s been run by Republican values office from D.C.
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I will vote that way now that Palin is in the running like a lot of conservatives I wasn’t going vote for McCain before her.
We have a Deomocratic Congress and a Democratic Senate.
75% of the blame is right there and yet you look past it and blame one guy.
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“You paying more for gas, McCain says DRILL NOW, how does that affect lower prices of oil artificially manipulated?”
I say drill now not just let the Mexicans and the Chinese drill off our shores. Thanks Democrats.
Artificially manipulated? Yet we have a Democratic Congress and Senate. Just how naive can you be?
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When things really matter, you will stick to silliness.
Silliness is obama the muslim.
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Chas
Posted September 10, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
Franklin says >>>
“get me a cup of coffee” to a female coworker, of the same status, IS sexist.
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Sometimes it would be sexist… Other times, not… IF the female co-worker is getting up and heading for the coffee pot, and asks if anybody wants anything…. and a male were to say “get me a cup of coffee” that is FAR from being sexist…
IF the male worker turns to the female worker next to him, and says, “Hey, go get me a coffee….” Then YES, it is sexist…
LOTS of gray areas there, Franklin… LOTS of them….
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Only to a sexist are there gray areas. :)
Just because I am bigger than you and have more hair on my….is no reason for name calling Chas. We need to improve out inter-species relations and you are just pushing old stereotypes, I find it appalling.
So easy, even a Sasquatch can do it.
I don’t get the subject of this thread. Obama didn’t refer to Palin as a pig so how is such a comment supposed to be sexist?
Here’s the full quote:
“You can put lipstick on a pig,” he said as the crowd cheered. “It’s still a pig.”
“You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”
“We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”
It’s clearly a comment about the status quo candidates who are claiming to be about change, not that they are literally pigs with lipstick on. I suppose this just shows how desperate the McCain camp is to label Obama as sexist. I smell the desperation, and it smells like bacon.
TROLLS!!!
Well, I guess Franklin would be the sexist, since he attempted to make a blanket statement cover the entire subject matter…
It just isnt that easy….
Chas, my daughter is married to a troll. I don’t really care for him myself but your statement is highly offensive for a man of the cloth. I demand an apology or I will be forced to defend my honor.
You’re SPOT ON Maggot!!
Franklin’s use of a waittress in his “argument” is pure red herring… Not even related to the “sexist” theme… That is what the waittress is PAID to do… LOL
S.C. Dem chair: Palin primary qualification is she hasn’t had an abortion
DNFTT
DNFC
Hey, IDIOT, if your daughter married a Troll, that would be your problem as a parent… not mine…. I’m not sure cross species marriages are even legal in Kansas…
Chas
Posted September 10, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
Hey, IDIOT, if your daughter married a Troll, that would be your problem as a parent… not mine…. I’m not sure cross species marriages are even legal in Kansas…
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PFFFFFBBBTTT!!!! eh ummm….Sure they are, they were married through the Unitarian Multi-Species Ministries…
Just saw the mccain ad distortion, they should be ashamed takin clips out of context, and making statements such as “this is Obama on palin”. No shame, No Change, Rove politics.
It’s one thing for his followeres to make asinine claims, entirely another when his campaign does it. That will be the effect from this.
Personally, I don’t give a crap if Obama meant the comment for Palin; I don’t give a crap if he flipped Hillary off; I don’t give a crap if he gaffed when he made the Muslim faith comment. It’s all meaningless in the long run.
What I do care about is how all four candidates handle the debates, and if the debates will be open instead of prearranged questions. All this other nonsense is fodder for the cattle, and I can see the cattle got their collective chompers chowing down as much as they can.
This whole charade is nothing more than the silly season leading up to the debates, where the meat and potatoes will be served. So kanibrain, maxgrabdick, Wangoboy and the rest, keep stuffing your faces, and puking bile. The real meal starts soon.
And, ummmm Bigfoot??? SHUT UP, YOU FRIGGIN TROLL!!! STOP WASTING BLOG SPACE WITH YOUR TRASH!!!
Guess mccain and romney would like to put lipstick on palin and make her squeal like a pig, so the assumed any mention of pig was about palin.
“I’m not sure cross species marriages are even legal in Kansas”
See: uradope/uaamin/ks/ismarriagenet.com
The debates have been pretty sorry stuff in the past, JM. I’d like to see them ask each other the questions.
The cons remind me of the cowardly lion.
All the bigoted, nasty stuff they put out and the LITTLEST perception of someone swinging back and they go all whimpery.
“Boo hoo what’d ya go and hit me for? Is my nose bleeding?” Wahhhhhh.
If mccain and palin were smart they’d denounce and pull their ad, blame it on romney (how smart is it to put someone you beat as one of your communication leaders?), and fire romney. This is going to backfire, and should/will be a question put to palin and mccain.
yea, but mccain didn’t say his right after Hillary made a joke about her lipstick. Very insincere.
Since lipstick was mentioned a week ago by palin, it is off limits to dems. for how long? Did they get a copywrite on an expression she didn’t even use?
Palin said the only difference between herself and a pit bull is lip stick. Will the Republicans be outraged that Palin referred to herself as a bitch?
Someone should tell PETA about this…
Maybe somebody should give PETA the links to the photos of ‘Sarah at home’ with the bear and other skins adorning her house. That just might bear a little more weight with them than a pig comment. ;)
BTW, I’m no fan of PETA.
What about Obama giving Hillary the finger? None of you libs want to talk about that, do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM
Boxlock
Posted September 10, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink
Here is part of a letter from a friend who grew up in a Muslim country. He has no reason to lie.
“When I heard Obama utter the statement about “Lipstick on a pig” I knew exactly what he meant.
The word “pig” is meant to insult. It is not a joke. I know that because I grew up in a Muslim country ( Malaysia ). Among Muslims no one uses the “pig” word against anyone unless one’s looking for a fight! It is the ultimate insult a Muslim can inflict on his enemy!
Obama does not want anyone to use his middle Muslim name “Hussein” so that we won’t think he’s a Muslim. No one who’s born a Muslim can denounce his faith. Obama let slip with “my Muslim faith” in one of the talk shows a few days ago. He is a Muslim to the core. That’s why the Muslim world is championing him to be the President of America. Remember who financed him to study at Harvard?”
We know from his autobiography that he had Muslim roommates in college of foreign nationality. Now it turns out that an influential, radical black Muslim with close ties to the Saudi royal family and an outspoken opponent of Israel helped finance Obama’s law school education. Obama’s benefactor at the young age of 25 is Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour a/k/a Donald Warden. Here are some facts you should know about al-Mansour according to a Newmax investigative report:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2076161/posts
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boxie – come back when you have something factual from a real news source – not one of your conservative zealots newsrags like the Free Republic.
Fess up – you don’t like Obama because he is supposedly a muslim in your view. Right?
There are just as many people who don’t like Sarah Palin’s using God’s endorsement for the Iraq War or her Alaska pipeline.
Everybody knew Obama meant the saying exactly as most Americans use it – you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. Meaning – you can dress up a pile of dog poop but it is still a dog poop!
While the comment may have been made innocently, or as an intention double-entendre, it’s just indicative that the Dem’s are losing the election, and have lost their cool. This afternoon, the South Carolina Chairwoman of the Democratic Party said that Palin’s primary qualification is that she hadn’t had an abortion! No matter how you spin that, that is just an awful, disgusting statement, made by the type of feminist who believes that women’s rights only champion the cause of the women who agree with her.
Even so, the Dem’s have lost their cool, and are panicking. They’ll have to wait until November, however, to go back under their rock.
mom,
You appear to be an idiot!
Did you fail to see the link I provided for ignorant folks like yourself that couldn’t be expected to find that information on his Muslim connection and who was paying for his education?
Second, Obamanation knew exactly what he was saying and so did his audience, that’s why they laughed, hooted and hollered when he said it. Lipstick on a pig is not new, not even funny anymore unless it is being used in a satisfy some juvenile humor, which is exactly what Obama and his audience has.
I think Obama was just calling Palin the lipstick.
The pig was all of Republicanism and anything associated with a Republican. The Lipstick was the selection of Palin, a new outside the beltway non-white guy.
Thanks MartyG,
A ‘double-entendre’ is exactly what he was doing, and not so subtlety either as all the DimLibs in the audience got it and they are stupid or they wouldn’t be there.
He was being juvenile, certainly beneath Presidential material, just as he is in this video where he gives Hillary the ‘finger’. He did it with all purposeful intention. The guys gutter material!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygBj4Zw6No
I don’t know about anyone else, but this whole smear campaign of McCain and Rove has gotten ridiculous. I am being to feel like I am back in high school and there is a fight between children, only one candidate is acting like a child, McCain. What happened to the issues? I have not heard McCain or Palin once talk about the real issues facing this nation. Palin contentedly repeats her acceptance speech and McCain just repeats himself. Tell me what you are going to do about the National Dept, the trade imbalance and dept, education, jobs, housing, bank failures, the list is endless and why isn’t McCain and Palin talking about them? I am an undecided female voter over 50, the person McCain is trying to attract only he is not doing a very good job of it. I am embarrassed by how his campaign is being run;” Pigs and Lipstick” Please give me a break? I guess I have been insulting Palin for years because that is a saying my grandparents always used and I followed through with it. Has Palin become Paris Hiltion with the “THAT’S HOT” phase? At this point, I am wondering why anyone would vote for McCain and Palin. Have we just become a Nation of puppets? We can no longer think for ourselves? Are we more impressed with status and not substance? Are we afraid of having a Black man in the WHITE HOUSE? You tell me, because right now I am trying really hard to figure out why McCain is even running for President. Once the campaign is over the real work begins and it looks like neither McCain nor Palin will be ready, because if they can’t address the issues now, they never will.
Then you haven’t been paying attention RivetMaid.
Or, are just too ideologically blind.
Boxlock = Blogs most Bigoted Poster!!
Re: Boxlock
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ODrama is bringing something new everyday.
Perhaps ODrama will bring something tomorrow.
Interfaith liberals
Denver may be a signal of things to come | Gene Edward Veith
Democrats are going all out for the “God vote.” And they aren’t even particular as to which god.
The 2004 convention in Boston had a secular tone, but the Democratic Convention in Denver opened with worship. It was an interfaith service, with Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and adherents to any other religion they could find all worshipping together.
Mollie Z. Hemingway was there, reporting for National Review Online. She described the spectacle:
Rather than a reading from the Old Testament, the Psalms, the New Testament, and a Gospel—as you would hear in a liturgical Christian service—there were readings from the Torah, the Sutra Nipata, the Koran, and more from the Old Testament. No New Testament. It is unsurprising that no reading contained a claim of exclusivity or, for that matter, any claim that adherents of a different religion would disagree with. Rather than using proper names to refer to prophets or deities, clergy tend to overload on pronouns and nondescript names. “Lord,” rather than “Jesus.” “The God of Leviticus” becomes “Holy One of Blessing.”
Protests from both pro-life activists and atheists interrupted the service. One of the main speakers was Sister Helen Prejean, the Roman Catholic nun who wrote the anti-death-penalty book Dead Man Walking that was later made into an Oscar-nominated movie. In her sermon, Sister Prejean did mention Jesus by name: While lambasting America for its racism, oppression, and violence, Hemingway said that “she wondered whether the biblical account of Jesus’s crucifixion was a ‘projection of our violent society.’”
Sister Prejean then attacked the central teaching of Christianity, that God allowed His Son to die as a sacrifice for our sins. “Is this a God,” she asked, “or is this an ogre?”
This kind of interfaith service—with its inclusiveness, diversity, and polytheism—represents the new civil religion in America. This is not just a Democratic phenomenon. Republicans such as President Bush have also participated in interfaith worship services.
Politicians from both parties are right to pursue the votes of citizens of all faiths. Adherents of all religions can be good citizens. But interfaith services and the theology behind them are intrinsically anti-Christian. The first commandment says, “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3), with the word before literally meaning “in My presence.” No one can approach God except through Jesus (John 14:6). The Old Testament saints opposed religious syncretism in ancient Israel, and the early Christians refused to take part in the polytheistic diversity of the Roman Pantheon.
If today’s religiously diverse America requires a polytheistic civil religion, Christians should politely refuse to participate. This may mean Christians will end up agreeing with the atheist who protested the proceedings in Denver. A naked public square may be preferable to the Areopagus of Athens, crowded with idols and its single altar to an unknown God (Acts 17:22-24).
Copyright © 2008 WORLD Magazine
September 20, 2008, Vol. 23, No. 19
Regular, please explain to me where McCain and Palin have talked about anything? I have not even seen her talk to the press yet. What is with these people anyway? Talk to the American people not just to their pit stops. Talk to the news media, and not a sugar coated interview.
Welcome to the blog, rivetmaid. There are many here who agree with you. I have been paying attention and all I hear from McCain is talking points without substance. Around here his supporters mostly just criticize Obaqma and all members of the Democratic Party, they have little to actually say about McCain. Now, Palin, they have lots of say about her! They seem to have forgotten who is running for President. If I were McCain I would develop eyes in the back of my head, hire body guards… So, join in! You don’t have to be crazy to blog here, training is offered on a daily basis. ;-)
Obaqma = Obama
At least the q and a are close on the keyboard. I can make worse mistakes without trying!
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rivetmaid
Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
Regular, please explain to me where McCain and Palin have talked about anything? I have not even seen her talk to the press yet. What is with these people anyway? Talk to the American people not just to their pit stops. Talk to the news media, and not a sugar coated interview.
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McCain has addressed the issues many times and what he plans to do about it.
You can find his plans here:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/
In regards to Palin; you do realize she has been on the ticket less than two weeks? Obama has been on his campaign for what – nineteen months?
As suggested, take off the blinders and do a little study.
Chas:
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In Judging Obama, Question His Judgment
Monday, September 08, 2008
By John R. Lott, Jr.
“Judgment” has become the byword of the election. Barack Obama has always wanted the election to be about the importance of “good judgment,” not experience. While Obama claimed last week that he had more executive experience than Sarah Palin, he has generally stuck to this theme.
During the primaries, Obama’s claim to “good judgment” largely focused on his early opposition to the Iraq war. But, with the exception of picking Joe Biden as his running mate, virtually all the discussion of Obama’s good judgment still rests on his opposition to the war.
Obama still has some work to convince people that he possesses good judgment. A new poll released last week by the Pew Research Center found that Americans by 51 to 36 percent trust John McCain’s “good judgment in crisis” over Obama’s.
But what does it mean to say that Obama has “good judgment”? Does he make the right policy decisions? The presidency is extremely powerful. Can Obama be trusted to restrain his use of that power? Can he judge people and figure out the right people to staff his administration?
1) The Right Decision?
Given the emphasis on opposing the war, Obama clearly believes that the ultimate test is whether decisions stand the test of time. So does Obama stick with his decisions in other areas? Sometimes decisions that ultimately turn out to be right might not always appear so, but having good judgment presumably means sticking with a decision even when it might not immediately be obvious to others.
On ending the war, though, Obama has held many positions: from withdrawing troops immediately in 2009 to taking 16 months to withdraw them when the military advisers recommend that it is safe to withdraw them. During the last few months Obama has changed his positions on a wide range of very important issues: the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, NAFTA, public financing of campaigns, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, Social Security taxes, the death penalty and negotiating with rogue nations.
Whatever decision is the “correct” decision, either Obama was right a few months ago or he is right now. His judgment can’t be right in both circumstances.
2) The Ability to Judge People?
Presidents must know who to trust. Many would quickly point to Obama’s self-identified mentors, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Father Michael Pfleger, whom Obama has known for decades and who have a long history of outrageous statements. Many also don’t believe that Obama never knew that Wright and Pfleger had these controversial views despite some denials because these men had national reputations and Obama has himself later admitted that he knew about them.
Others have pointed to Obama’s association with Williams Ayers, one of the founders of the terrorist group the Weathermen. Ayers has very publicly proclaimed on national television shows during the time Obama was working with him that Ayers was not sorry for the bombings “and that we would do it again” and “I didn’t do enough.”
Still others point to Tony Rezko, the Illinois political fix-it man who was recently convicted of bribery. Rezko contributed what amounted to probably hundreds of thousands of dollars toward buying Obama house and raised over $160,000 more toward Obama’s campaigns.
But there is another less noticed problem. Obama doesn’t seem to be able to find employees whom he can trust. The mainstream media has recognized this problem. One article by ABC’s Jake Tapper was entitled “Obama’s Inability to Hire Good Help Rears Its Head … Again.” Another by Politico’s Ken Vogel was entitled “Obama vs. his staff.”
– Among the better known examples, an aide, Austan Goolsbee, told Canadians that Obama didn’t mean his promise made right before the crucial Ohio primary that he would renegotiate NAFTA. Obama disavowed Goolsbee’s claim and said that he had misstated Obama’s position, and Goolsbee denied claims by the Canadians.
– A 1996 candidate questionnaire form that was answered stating that Obama supported a ban on handguns was explained as a staffer’s mistake. A statement to the Chicago Tribune last fall claiming that Obama supported the DC gun ban was dismissed as a staffer’s mistake.
– In a 2004 questionnaire, Obama refrained from criticizing Yasir Arafat or strongly supporting Israel’s security force. As ABC noted: “Mr. Obama blamed a staff member for the oversight.”
– Obama was asked this year about funding he got for the University of Chicago while his wife, Michelle, worked there. He claimed that someone on his staff had handled it because neither he nor his wife would have allowed his office to benefit his wife’s work.
– When the Tony Rezko corruption questions emerged, Obama claimed that he had never done anything to advance Rezko’s business interests. Then a letter Obama signed was discovered supporting a Rezko project to city and state housing officials. Obama said that he wasn’t aware of the letter and he said that staff had mishandled it. When answers to questions about how much money Rezko had raised for Obama campaigns proved to be much too low, the mistake was again blamed on staff.
– When Sarah Palin’s vice presidential nomination was announced, Obama’s campaign immediately issued a statement that reporters described as “ripping” into her. A few hours later, after the initial public reaction, Obama first supported and then backed away from the statement, saying that his campaign had misrepresented his views.
– Tim Russert confronted Obama at a Democratic Presidential debate in January about Obama’s campaign claiming that the Clintons were “stoking racial tensions.” Yet again, Obama blamed his “overzealous” staff.
The list goes on, but these cases seem to leave only two options: Either Obama is dishonest and these mistakes were not really mistakes, or he is a very poor judge of people.
Since Obama points to his campaign as proof that he has more executive experience than Palin, these problems also raise questions about how efficiently he runs things. If his own staff keeps on making mistakes in misrepresenting what Obama believes, can Obama clearly tell staff what policies he wants them to implement if he becomes president.
3) Does he have the right judgment to exercise government power?
Presidents have tremendous power. Abuses of power even before someone becomes president should raise a red flag. Some recent behavior by Obama’s campaign raises some real concerns.
On Aug. 27, Milt Rosenberg — an institution in Chicago, broadcasting on WGN radio since 1973 — had Stanley Kurtz on to discuss Kurtz’s research showing the extremely extensive relationship between Obama and William Ayers. Milt, who is a very middle-of-the-road person, had tried to have both sides represented and had invited a representative of the Obama campaign. No one from the campaign agreed to appear. Instead, there was an immediate, massive call-in campaign to the radio station to have WGN cancel Kurtz’s appearance. When that failed, the campaign organized supporters to call into the station and simply tie up the telephone lines so that other listeners couldn’t ask questions. Others threatened Federal Communication Commission action to revoke WGN’s license.
Rosenberg said that he had never seen anything similar to silence discussion during his years on radio.
Unfortunately, this isn’t a unique case. For example, when ads were run in August discussing Obama’s relationship to Ayers, Obama’s campaign demanded that the Department of Justice criminally investigate the group behind the ads. (What criminal charges that were justified by running an ad were never explained.) It is bad enough that a senator demands criminal charges against a political opponent, but this becomes a real problem if the president of the U.S. asks his justice department to do the same thing.
Conclusion
It is difficult to understand Obama’s claim to “good judgment.” When has any modern major party presidential nominee so frequently changed his positions on so many important issues or blamed his staff for so many problems? If Obama can’t consistently hold positions on important issues, how can he claim that he has such good judgment? Possibly Obama can come up with some other way of showing “good judgment,” but so far he hasn’t succeeded using the standards that he wants to be judged by.
John Lottis the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,418821,00.html
The Jews must be outraged, it was a direct assault on their beliefs. Everyone know kosher jews don’t eat pork! I was in Israel, but I can tell you, I could clearly read the minds of the audience from the expressions on their faces, and the laughter!
Material for mccain’s next blunderous ad!
Was Obama talking about a boar, or a sow? We need to get to the bottom of this. Was it directed at Mccain (who’s mentioned lipstick before) or at Palin, who owned the word at her convention?
Hey,
Did you hear that Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews (MSNBC) have been fired? Is there any truth to that?
rivetmaid
YOU are a died in the wool Democrat, and there was never a snowballs chance in hell that you would vote for a Republican.
By the way, Axelrod, Obama’s campaign manager, AVOIDS issues like the plague. Axelrod is famous for “astroturf” advertising. (Pretending that you have “grass roots” when you Don’t!)
Republicans have studied Axelrod and Obama.
We are beating them at their own game!
How do we know that hockey moms are not insulted by what Palin said?
I’m not a hockey mom. But if I were, I don’t know that I would like being compared to a particularly vicious and dangerous breed of dog.
And the lipstick bit. Most “real” in your face women don’t WEAR lipstick. It’s more for painted up little beauty pageant has beens or never weres.
anyone order the sarah palin action figure yet?
http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm
I hear you can get accessories to go on it, like the “Drill Here! Drill Now!” thong.
Biden: Hillary Clinton ‘Might Have Been a Better Pick’ for VP
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Joe Biden said Wednesday that Hillary Clinton “might have been a better pick than me” to be Barack Obama’s running mate.
The Delaware senator was responding to an audience member at a town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., who criticized Clinton and said it’s a good thing Obama chose Biden over her.
“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight,” Biden said in Clinton’s defense.
“She’s easily qualified to be vice president … and quite frankly, might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate. I mean that sincerely. She is first rate. So let’s get that straight,” he said.
The comment comes after Clinton tried to assuage tensions last month at the Democratic National Convention between the Obama campaign and her supporters — disenchanted over her primary loss and her absence on the Democratic ticket.
John McCain spokesman Ben Porritt within minutes sent around an e-mail saying the choice of Biden was Obama’s “most important decision of this election.” The e-mail then skewers Biden for suggesting “that he wasn’t the right man for the job and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice.”
It was the latest shot in a spate of political crossfire between the two presidential campaigns. Biden earlier in the day compared McCain’s attacks on Obama to the attacks McCain faced during the 2000 White House race — when Biden rose to McCain’s defense.
Addressing an audience of about 300 political donors in Boston, the Delaware senator said he would respond forcefully to anyone attacking Obama in the manner of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that questioned Democrat John Kerry’s military record during the 2004 campaign.
“Swiftboating is not going to work this time. And the reason it’s not is, No. 1, I’m going to smack ‘em right square in the chops,” Biden said.
Biden did not get into specifics, but a spokesman said he was referring to a new McCain ad suggesting the Illinois senator supported sex education for kindergartners, as well as a recent ad from a McCain fundraiser that linked Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.
FOX News’ Aaron Bruns and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
but the Democratic Convention in Denver opened with worship. It was an interfaith service, with Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and adherents to any other religion they could find all worshipping together.
Face it, that’s the way it should be in the United States. Article I of the Constitution.
I’ve participated in multi-faith open circles. An open circle is Wiccan/Pagan, but I know many who attened them are Christian, and they didn’t have a problem with it. In fact, the open circles draw more each year.
Here it is:
Olbermann, Matthews no longer anchors at MSNBC
September 9, 2008
Out they go; in he comes. MSNBC is replacing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as co-anchors of political night coverage with David Gregory, and will use K.O. and C.M. as — omigosh! — commentators.
The change reflects tensions between the freewheeling, opinionated MSNBC and the more impartial news gatherers at NBC News. Throughout the primaries and summer, MSNBC argued that Olbermann and Matthews could serve as dispassionate anchors on political news nights and that viewers would accept them in that role.
That plan fell apart during the conventions.
The tipping point appears to have come during the GOP convention when Olbermann criticized MSNBC for showing a Sept. 11-themed video prepared by the Republicans. Matthews also exchanged harsh on-air words with Mr. O during convention telecasts.
MSNBC executives, who had publicly defended their anchors’ roles while privately monitoring them throughout the political season, made the change over the weekend
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/ENT07/809090353
A friend of mine that wouldn’t lie, had this to say about the controversy.
“Putting lipstick on a pig! Cut me to the quick, I’m what you might call obeses and female. I got the insinuation loud and clear, my ex used to say the same thing when we were getting ready to go out!
Who does that Obama think he is?
Biden: Hillary Clinton ‘Might Have Been a Better Pick’ for VP
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Undecided voters: Look at this stuff. Seen enough?
Tune it out. Look at the reality. Home foreclosures. Multi-billion dollar bailouts. Sky-high gas prices. And so on, and so on.
What are McCain/Palin going to do? I guess the strategy now is “I’ll have my staff get back to you on that.”
Demand answers, from all the candidates (while you’re at it, insist that Governor Palin actually start answering questions).
Don’t get sidetracked by these meaningless sideshows. Democracy loses if this continues.
In regards to Palin; you do realize she has been on the ticket less than two weeks? Obama has been on his campaign for what – nineteen months?
As suggested, take off the blinders and do a little study.
I have gone to McCain’s website, and have been very disappointed in it. As I stated he keeps repeating himself and it has no substance. As far as Palin, well I would think that if she was chosen over every other person to be VP, wouldn’t you think she would know a little something, anything? Like I said, I am undecided. I am lucky that I do not vote along party lines so I can look at all the issues. Right now from what I see, McCain is acting very childish, kind of like he is in his second childhood, and it’s a big disappointment that he is running for President. Plus he chose a VP who also has no experience and very little substance as a mother or politician, and she could become the president within the next year given McCain’s age.
“Predestined
Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink
but the Democratic Convention in Denver opened with worship. It was an interfaith service, with Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and adherents to any other religion they could find all worshipping together.
Face it, that’s the way it should be in the United States. Article I of the Constitution.
I’ve participated in multi-faith open circles. An open circle is Wiccan/Pagan, but I know many who attened them are Christian, and they didn’t have a problem with it. In fact, the open circles draw more each year.”
1. What Christian would knowingly join in an interfaith worhship including Muslims, Buddhists, and adherents to any other religion they could find all worshipping together, and in your case Wiccans/Pagans?
2. What is the name of the God thay are worshipping?
3. Numbers are numbers, nothing else.
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rivetmaid
Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
In regards to Palin; you do realize she has been on the ticket less than two weeks? Obama has been on his campaign for what – nineteen months?
As suggested, take off the blinders and do a little study.
I have gone to McCain’s website, and have been very disappointed in it. As I stated he keeps repeating himself and it has no substance. As far as Palin, well I would think that if she was chosen over every other person to be VP, wouldn’t you think she would know a little something, anything? Like I said, I am undecided. I am lucky that I do not vote along party lines so I can look at all the issues. Right now from what I see, McCain is acting very childish, kind of like he is in his second childhood, and it’s a big disappointment that he is running for President. Plus he chose a VP who also has no experience and very little substance as a mother or politician, and she could become the president within the next year given McCain’s age.
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Appears to me you have already made up your mind.
As predicted.
Appears to me you have already made up your mind.
As predicted.
In other words, you have no interest in addressing her concerns.
Understandable. That would be seriously “off-message.” It’s not a campaign now, it’s a party! Whoo-hoo!
Phantom – what did your friend think about it when McCain used that phrase toward Hillary?
“Lipstick on a pig” is so old I remember hearing it when I was a kid, The fact that so many Republicans are running away with this non-sense is insulting to the process and to the women they think it will work on.
I am not totally offended by being lied to as long as it is not insulting to my intelligences. If you lie to me at least give me the benefit of the doubt that I am intelligent!
This is really sad that the McCain campaign is using this as an attack and it is sad that the media is talking about this without end. Tell the people the impact that the candidate’s policies will have on them. For the better or worst. Obama policy will cut taxes for the majority but raise the taxes of the 1- %, McCain’s policy will only cut the taxes on the select few. Enough said and that is what should be discussed and debated, but then it would not help McCain. So the lipstick flies and the pigs get ready for a night out.
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Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink
Appears to me you have already made up your mind.
As predicted.
In other words, you have no interest in addressing her concerns.
Understandable. That would be seriously “off-message.” It’s not a campaign now, it’s a party! Whoo-hoo!
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I gave her a link to McCain/Palin Website which has the official information on their policies. I did not try to influence her with my own take on the matter.
I pointed out that Palin has been on the ticket less than two weeks.
Well else could I say, she already came in with a chip on her shoulder?
1. What Christian would knowingly join in an interfaith worhship including Muslims, Buddhists, and adherents to any other religion they could find all worshipping together, and in your case Wiccans/Pagans?
I have seen and attended many such interfaith events over the years. Priests, Rabbis, Pastors, etc have attended.
2. What is the name of the God thay are worshipping?
In the case of the Abrahaimics (followers of the God of Abraham): it depends in language. Dios in Spanish. Dieu (?) in French. God in English. Allah in Arabic. And, of course, Yahweh.
Christians in Bethlehem routinely pray to Allah which is the Arabic word for God.
bth
Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:51 pm | Permalink
1. What Christian would knowingly join in an interfaith worhship including Muslims, Buddhists, and adherents to any other religion they could find all worshipping together, and in your case Wiccans/Pagans?
I have seen and attended many such interfaith events over the years. Priests, Rabbis, Pastors, etc have attended.
2. What is the name of the God thay are worshipping?
In the case of the Abrahaimics (followers of the God of Abraham): it depends in language. Dios in Spanish. Dieu (?) in French. God in English. Allah in Arabic. And, of course, Yahweh.
Christians in Bethlehem routinely pray to Allah which is the Arabic word for God
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Must have been for entertainment purposes Ben.
You have already admitted to being a non-practicing Catholic.
rivetmaid is a “seminar” blogger.
Claim you are “independent” and then start posting your Democrat talking points.
Not buying it!
Character it what matters most. A President “rides the tiger” of current events, as TR told us.
We have to know that we have someone who can deal with the unexpected.
Obama does not give very many people that kind of confidence.
If Obama can hang out with thugs and terrorists and Communists, his entire life, we SHOULD worry about who Obama will put in his cabinet!
If Obama has trouble telling the truth, in his own “autobiography” — why should we believe anything Obama promises us, during this campaign?
Obama is a nut case fringe radical leftist with terrorists, radical jihadists, and Marxists as friends, his entire life.
This DOES matter.
Obama says stupid things, all the time.
This also matters.
Ever since Palin’s speech, I’ve been wondering, how many of you have actually tried putting lipstick on a pit bull?
My friend’s 9yr-old little sister did just that to her pit bull a couple years ago, and the poor dog ran and hid under the bed and didn’t come out for almost 2 days! So now we actually know the difference between a pit bull and a soccer mom- the pit bull has the self-esteem to not be caught dead in public with lipstick on.
I think of GreenDay’s “Don’t Want to be an American Idiot” every time Franklin posts.
Welcome to the blog, RivetMaid.
BTW, she is a pig.
Obama is right even when he doesn’t mean to be.
Well else could I say, she already came in with a chip on her shoulder?
Gee, maybe, like, try to convince her Palin has the expertise necessary to be VP (assuming you believe that yourself). I could, suspending my conscience take up that argument (hey, she sure sounded sharp in her pre-recorded statement addressing the IOGCC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6h2W9ZEwuM&feature=related
Problem is, she’s a one-trick pony (and not well-versed when knowledge conflict with her rigid ideology).
(I suspect someone will read sexism into “one-trick pony.”)
I’ve certainly had my issues with Obama, but the reality is that he’s willing to talk about substance. McCain wants the election to be about rhetoric, paranoia, and cheap smears.
This is how George HW Bush got elected in 1988. This is, in part, how George W. Bush got elected in 2000 (and certainly how he got re-elected in 2004).
Can we not learn anything from history?
rhetoric, paranoia, and cheap smears.
Uh…yeah
You really want to go there?
Usual disclaimer:
“Franklin” alias econ 101 alias Paul Rosell is a washed up former Republican party functionary who has admitted that he is an agenda poster here for the Republican party.
Welcome to blogging rivetmaid. LEARN from the con (Republican) posters here. Base your decision to vote not just on your take on the candidate but on the character of those who support that candidate.
On the left, we have been asking substantive questions about McCain and Palin.
Given the rash choice of Palin, McCain does not come off well as a leader who gives much thought to decisions.
For her part, Sarah Palin is an opening book of scandal, abuse of office, and incompetence.
The cons would rather whine about pigs and lipstick.
Uh…yeah
You really want to go there?
To quoth the decider, “bring ‘em on!”
I looked at McCain’s web site yesterday and today because I am out raged at the smear campaign these two are using. No I have not made up my mind yet. I am waiting to hear the debates, which may be the only time we will really see McCain and Palin being themselves. You may think this whole thing is acceptable, but I do not. It is worse than the Bush and Kerry campaign. I and many like me are not children and do not enjoy seeing this type of spectacle going on in a Presidential campaign.
Franklin made the most money he ever made under the DEMOCRATIC President Bill Clinton.
The last eight years, he calls home a one-bedroom apt on Rock Road, but dammit, he can’t stop voting RepubliCON.
lindainks55 Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:12 pm |
“Obaqma = Obama
At least the q and a are close on the keyboard. I can make worse mistakes without trying!”
linda, you and I don’t see things the same way EVER, but I truly am not anti-social and I had to chuckle over your above comment.
Yes the q and the a are close, and this blog hardly warrants the attention to correct a mistake like that so….you are forgiven if you will do the same…?
Rivet Maid–
What smear campaign is Obama running?
For that matter, what smear campaign did Kerry or Gore run?
BTW, Rivetmaid, nothing was worse than the way Kerry was swiftboated.
That was an absolute new low in modern presidential politics.
“You have already admitted to being a non-practicing Catholic.”
NOT TRUE! You are a liar.
What smear campaign is Obama running?
For that matter, what smear campaign did Kerry or Gore run?
They didn’t, Bush did. It looks like Bush’s campagin managers now work for McCain.
rivetmaid – I think Rove is helping McCain now.
Whatever happened to “stick and stones may break my bones …”
Here is all Sarah heeds to say in response….
“Oh yea, well you can take a Muslim to Sunday morning church, but come Monday he will still be a Muslim.”
bth, I think you are right and it is so sad, not only for America but for McCain also that he would stoop so low. I think it is called desperation.
bth,
Not when you are kicking the One’s arse it aint, you silly rabbit.
Here is all Sarah heeds to say in response….
“Oh yea, well you can take a Muslim to Sunday morning church, but come Monday he will still be a Muslim.”
I hope, at long last, this kind of silly crap needs no rebuttal.
P.S. By the way, Mr. Brown, since you’re apparently incapable of embarrassment, I’ll be embarrassed for you!
Rivetmaid,
Do you really think we’ll see the candidates being themselves during the debates? They will all have been prepped within an inch of their lives beforehand, so that there is no possibility for any of them to say anything that hasn’t been reviewed and reviewed again by their various staffers and spin doctors. The last thing any politician wants to do is reveal himself as he really is to the voters!
Interesting. Sarah Palin’s Christian fundamentalism is the talk of the Left, with great and ominous concerns, but Obama’s affinity for Islam — raised in it — is not to be discussed in polite company.
Political correctness is brainwashing.
“Obama’s affinity for Islam — raised in it”
He was raised more in “secular Christianity” than in Islam.
From The Rude Pundit:
Did you see this sh? This f-ing’ ad that the McCain campaign put out that says that Barack Obama wants children to learn about se_x “before learning to read.” It’s about a bill that Obama supported in Illinois that simply added information about se_xually-transmitted diseases to the standards for teaching s_ex education. That’s it. Now, the McCain campaign has latched onto this attack, first raised in this election cycle by Alan “Crazy Eyes” Keyes, and added into it an image of a leering Obama at the end, looking like your creepy neighbor who touches your kids too much. (That image is used again in the “Lipstick” ad regarding Obama’s “lipstick on a pig” remark.)
As others have pointed out, it’s time to get mad. It’s time for Bill Clinton-style finger wagging; it’s time for b-ba_ll Obama to rear his head.
We know the game here, the racial politics, the fear of se_x that’s rampant on the right. John McCain has finally released his rage and hatred, and it is a sight to behold. Watching McCain unleashed is like watching a starving tiger in a pen of gazelle. It ain’t gonna be pretty. The Rude Pundit imagines McCain seeing the faces of his captors in everyone he looks at, and he’s got a bayonet.
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Repukes take the low road and the low road wins. Decent people like Rivetmaid don’t vote because they are so disgusted, so only the disguisting people like Franklin vote . . .
But, what about the pigs lipstick on Todd’s bus. partner’s collar?
Interesting. Sarah Palin’s Christian fundamentalism is the talk of the Left, with great and ominous concerns, but Obama’s affinity for Islam — raised in it — is not to be discussed in polite company.
Political correctness is brainwashing.
Actually, to the extent that Obama took interest in the teachings of Islam, that would be a fascinating subject. But not one for modern McCarthyists like you to discuss: you would hate it! How dare we actually discuss the Quran! How dare we actually talk about what how most muslims in the world (such as Obama’s stepfather) view their faith!
How dare we think!
All the evidence suggests that the young Obama learned about numerous faith traditions in his youth (including Christianity), and chose to be a Christian. Is it insignificant that his half-sister Maya chose to be a Buddhist, despite being Lolo’s biological daughter?
Oh right: she’s a fake Buddhist.
Tell me bjb, what do you think of Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minnesota), who is a Muslim?
Please do spew your thoughts in detail. Inquiring minds want to know.
He was raised more in “secular Christianity” than in Islam.
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Secular Christianity?
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
rivetmaid
Regular, please explain to me where McCain and Palin have talked about anything? I have not even seen her talk to the press yet. What is with these people anyway? Talk to the American people not just to their pit stops. Talk to the news media, and not a sugar coated interview.
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The only press that is remotely close to fair would be Fox. I hope she never talks to the liberal NBC ABC CBS CNN MSNBC etc they have an anti Repulican agenda.
If I recall correctly the democrats would not even debate on Fox which is at most 40% conservative.
Why should she go talk to the devil it’s not like they are going to be fair.
Rage,
“Inquiring minds want to know.”
Are you sure about that?
CapnAmerica
Did you see this sh? This f-ing’ ad that the McCain campaign put out that says that Barack Obama wants children to learn about se_x “before learning to read.” It’s about a bill that Obama supported in Illinois that simply added information about se_xually-transmitted diseases to the standards for teaching s_ex education.
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Yep obama the Muslim wanted to teach kids 5 years old about sexually transmitted diseases.
He is one sick evil guy.
Kandipoo,
As someone with a long-time interest in journalism, I think you’re mistaken. The “press” (as if you could quantify it as a single entity) is not biased against republicans; it’s biased against stupidity. If more seems to flow from the republican party, it has only itself to blame.
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Kandisue
Posted September 10, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink
CapnAmerica
Did you see this sh? This f-ing’ ad that the McCain campaign put out that says that Barack Obama wants children to learn about se_x “before learning to read.” It’s about a bill that Obama supported in Illinois that simply added information about se_xually-transmitted diseases to the standards for teaching s_ex education.
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Yep obama the Muslim wanted to teach kids 5 years old about sexually transmitted diseases.
He is one sick evil guy.
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Have to agree with KandiSue on this one.
Teaching about STD’s to a five year old is just stupid, immoral and way beyond the scope of what a five year old should be taught.
Repukes take the low road and the low road wins. Decent people like Rivetmaid don’t vote because they are so disgusted, so only the disguisting people like Franklin vote . . .
I am going to vote, I am just undecided right now.
Kandisue, a Presidentand VP had better be able to talk to everyone from every background and political party. Fox news is not watched by everyone.
Secular Christianity?
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Not really. It relates to one’s attitude toward the governance of society. A secular Christian seeks to convince others on a secular issues with resorting to a religious argument.
I give you a half-point, though: the Christianity itself of course is not “secular.” I get irritated when people espouse “theistic evolution,” as if one’s faith has anything–positive, negative, or informative–to do with the theory.
One hopes we will reach a point in our society where the notion of “secular Christianity” is just as bewilderingly silly as “theistic evolution.”
Read what Whoopi Goldberg said -
Now, you move on from there and now here’s the next attack. This one is from Whoopi Goldberg. Tell me that you agree with Whoopi Goldberg. Listen carefully. This is from yesterday’s view.
WALTERS: It’s hard for Obama now and Joe Biden to? ?
VOICE: Go after her.
GOLDBERG: No, it’s not.
WALTERS: You don’t think so?
GOLDBERG: No, I don’t think so. Well, you know what? I have a very strange reason that I think that he? ?that particularly Obama has to be very careful.
GLENN: Listen to the crowd here.
GOLDBERG: He’s been very good about trying to walk the center so he doesn’t scare the white people and he still seems like he’s black. I mean, come on.
GLENN: Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Go back and listen to the crowd. Dan and Stu, you watch The View all the time.
STU: Well, yeah. Yes, we do. We view it. We view The View.
GLENN: Tell me the reaction from crowds usually when they’re doing something liberal.
STU: Oh, they always cheer loudly and clap and stand up.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh. It’s always, yeah! It is the biggest rah?fest, cheerleader fest for liberal policies ever. It is always stunning, the crowd. I want you to go back and play the beginning of this again. Listen to the crowd when she says, you know, not to scare black people? ?or not to scare white people. Listen to the crowd. They are uncomfortable. The Obama campaign is moving into a place now? ?and I’m not saying Democrats and I’m not? ?you shouldn’t be surprised by Republicans. I’m saying the center of the country. This is what’s going to be the key to this election. He is now moving into places where he is making the center of the country nervous and uncomfortable. Again, listen to the crowd when she starts to talk about he can’t scare white people and listen to the lack of the, you know, NFL Monday night football crowd in what she’s saying.
Guess if she owns the phrase lipstick on a pig, we can hereforth refer to her as the Pig.
I’m really surprised the Republicans didn’t pick up on the real insult. It had to do with the — er — fish.
Crap! Outdid myself on typos. Gotta start proofreading, I guess.
“without religious arguments”–the rest can be deciphered.
That’s what I thought. Saying she smells like a fish. Todd would have field dressed him right there (unless maybe he’s right).
I thought Glenn Beck audience was the liberal one.
Teaching about STD’s to a five year old is just stupid, immoral and way beyond the scope of what a five year old should be taught.
Too bad you did not read or understand the sex ed bill. These classes would only be taught with parental consent and the younger children would only be taught that their body is theirs, and no one is allowed to make them feel unconformable by touching them. With incest on the rise, this may be a good thing since some parents will not talk to their children. Try getting your head out of the gutter.
Ha!
Hold gun.
Hold foot out.
Shoot self in foot.
by Joe Biden
Joe Biden said Wednesday that Hillary Clinton “might have been a better pick than me” to be Barack Obama’s running mate.
The Delaware senator was responding to an audience member at a town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., who criticized Clinton and said it’s a good thing Obama chose Biden over her.
“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight,” Biden said in Clinton’s defense.
“She’s easily qualified to be vice president … and quite frankly, might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate. I mean that sincerely. She is first rate. So let’s get that straight,” he said.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/10/biden-hillary-clinton-might-have-been-a-better-pick-for-vp/
Repubs. are just trying to do what they did to kerry, keep him defending himself so he can’t get his plans for the country out, and stay on point.
Beyond belief, what fundies will believe, and I’m not talking about God.
Ha!
Hold gun.
Hold foot out.
Already been posted. Still indisputably trivial. Still the obvious choice of cons who desperately want to avoid talking about the issues.
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Rage
Posted September 10, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
Ha!
Hold gun.
Hold foot out.
Already been posted. Still indisputably trivial. Still the obvious choice of cons who desperately want to avoid talking about the issues.
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Issues have been talked about all day.
You’re a day late as usual.
Bad thing may be happening here for the cons.
They’ve hitched their wagon to an unknown star.
Right NOW that star is rising.
Well, only in that it is bringing back disaffected Republicans. And the REAL nut jobs like Kandisue are outta the woodwork and doing the happy dance.
If that star should fall?
It’ll be too late to backpedal.
bjb posts, and makes an EXCELLENT POINT!
“Oh yea, well you can take a Muslim to Sunday morning church, but come Monday he will still be a Muslim.”
Again, excellent point!
A snake in any other cloths is still a snake.
Again, excellent point!
A snake in any other cloths is still a snake.
A implied lie, of course.
But tell me, Botox, what do you think of Keith Ellison? You know, the Muslim Congressman from Minnesota?
Rage posts”
“But tell me, Botox, what do you think of Keith Ellison? You know, the Muslim Congressman from Minnesota?”
Rage, I have not kept up with Keith Ellison, but I am sure, if it make you happy, that he is an excellent Muslim.
Does that make you happy?
“Yep obama the Muslim wanted to teach kids 5 years old about sexually transmitted diseases.
He is one sick evil guy.”
FALSE STATEMENT!
Another McLame lie parroted by the McLamites.
“Out of bounds! McCain misstates Obama sex-ed record
A new 30-second TV ad attacks Barack Obama’s record on education, saying that Obama backed legislation to teach “‘comprehensive sex education’ to kindergartners.” The announcer then says, “Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family.”
Why that’s wrong: This is a deliberately misleading accusation. It came hours after the Obama campaign released a TV ad critical of McCain’s votes on public education. As a state senator in Illinois, Obama did vote for but was not a sponsor of legislation dealing with sex ed for grades K-12.
But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach “age-appropriate” sex education, not comprehensive lessons to kindergartners, and it gave schools the ability to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/155/story/52169.html
“Regular
Posted September 10, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink
He was raised more in “secular Christianity” than in Islam.
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Secular Christianity?
Isn’t that an oxymoron?”
Sort of perhaps. These are the very many who attend church on ‘high holidays’ but that is prettymuch all.
Thomas Jefferson might well have participated in such an interfaith prayer:
“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom”
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_on_Deism
Rage, I have not kept up with Keith Ellison, but I am sure, if it make you happy, that he is an excellent Muslim.
Does that make you happy?
My happiness isn’t at issue. Here’s a few bills that Keith Ellison has sponsored his first term in the House:
<i. * H.R.2146: To amend the Truth in Lending Act to prohibit universal defaults on credit card accounts, and for other purposes. Introduced: 5/3/2007 Cosponsors: (28) Committees: House Financial Services Latest Major Action: 5/3/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Financial Services.
* H.R.2457: To amend the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 to require States to permit individuals to register to vote in an election for Federal office on the date of the election. Introduced: 5/23/2007 Cosponsors: (42) Committees: House Administration Latest Major Action: 5/23/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.
* H.R.2747: To establish a grant program to facilitate the creation of methamphetamine precursor electronic logbook systems, and for other purposes. Introduced: 6/15/2007 Cosponsors: (19) Committees: House Energy and Commerce; House Judiciary Latest Major Action: 7/16/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
* H.R.2924: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to expand expenses which qualify for the Hope Scholarship Credit and to make the Hope Scholarship Credit and the Lifetime Learning Credit refundable. Introduced: 6/28/2007 Cosponsors: (5) Committees: House Ways and Means Latest Major Action: 6/28/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
* H.R.3027: To amend title 18, United States Code, to require the electronic recording of custodial interrogations in Federal criminal cases. Introduced: 7/12/2007 Cosponsors: (None) Committees: House Judiciary Latest Major Action: 8/10/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
* H.R.3081: To amend the Truth in Lending Act to protect consumers from certain practices in connection with the origination of consumer credit transactions secured by the consumer’s principal dwelling, and for other purposes. Introduced: 7/18/2007 Cosponsors: (26) Committees: House Financial Services Latest Major Action: 7/18/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Financial Services.
* H.R.3397: To amend the Residential Lead-Based Paint Hazard Reduction Act of 1992 to define environmental intervention blood lead level. Introduced: 8/3/2007 Cosponsors: (18) Committees: House Financial Services Latest Major Action: 10/19/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity.
* H.R.3398: To establish a National Commission on the Infrastructure of the United States. Introduced: 8/3/2007 Cosponsors: (None) Committees: House Transportation and Infrastructure Latest Major Action: 8/4/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Highways and Transit.
* H.R.3399: To prohibit the use, production, sale, importation, or exportation of any pesticide containing atrazine. Introduced: 8/3/2007 Cosponsors: (None) Committees: House Energy and Commerce; House Ways and Means; House Foreign Affairs Latest Major Action: 8/3/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Environment and Hazardous Materials.
* H.R.3401: To establish the National Infrastructure Bank to provide funding for qualified infrastructure projects, and for other purposes. Introduced: 8/3/2007 Cosponsors: (2) Committees: House Transportation and Infrastructure; House Financial Services Latest Major Action: 8/4/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment.
* H.R.3805: To amend the Food Stamp Act of 1977 to provide to States an option to provide food assistance to foster community reintegration. Introduced: 10/10/2007 Cosponsors: (None) Committees: House Agriculture Latest Major Action: 10/10/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Agriculture.
* H.R.3822: To amend title 1 of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to include nongovernmental and volunteer firefighters, ground and air ambulance crew members, and first responders for certain benefits. Introduced: 10/12/2007 Cosponsors: (4) Committees: House Judiciary Latest Major Action: 11/2/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
* H.R.3853: To amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to provide for a National Resource Center for Positive Youth Development and School Success. Introduced: 10/16/2007 Cosponsors: (None) Committees: House Education and Labor Latest Major Action: 10/16/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Education and Labor.
* H.R.3940: To amend the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005. Introduced: 10/23/2007 Cosponsors: (4) Committees: House Energy and Commerce Latest Major Action: 10/24/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health.
* H.R.4026: To prohibit election officials from requiring an individual to provide a photo identification as a condition for voting in an election for Federal office. Introduced: 10/31/2007 Cosponsors: (16) Committees: House Administration Latest Major Action: 10/31/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.
More here:
http://ellison.house.gov/
Funny thing, but I somehow missed the part where he pledged death to the infidels.
RE: lipstick flap, From one major newstation msm, Obama should send the mccain campaign committee a thank you note:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#26644449
Thanks for the backup, Boxlox. These Liberals just kill me. (Actually they really do try.) They run toward a Moslem congressman in a bid to cause us to say that Obama’s Islam is not a problem? So they agree that Obama is Islamic? Man that was too easy. Thanks for the concession, maroons.
Now for the rest of the argument. It is the Moslem form of the referundum. We get power, you lose power. There is no power sharing with Infidels under Sharia law.
So the Libs can be oh so proud of their Moslem leaders today. But once Islamic power is consolidated, they will be among the first to go to the wall — for their illicit sexual liaisons, for their alchohol consumption and for putting lipstick on pigs.
Just keep an eye on France, they are almost there.
Ben
You are wrong.
Obama was absolutely raised as a Muslim, during his time in Jakarta.
You libs seem to know almost nothing about the man.
I am willing to accept the fact that he converted to a radical Black Liberation Theology Christian Church in his adult life.
However, Obama has very strong sympathies for radical Islam. It is obvious from his friends and associations and actions.
Rage
Funny thing, but I somehow missed the part where he pledged death to the infidels.
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Your post reminded me of this quote -
“Satan will use a lake of truth to hide a pint of poison” Hal Lindsey
Capn
You are making a fool out of yourself.
Look up the bill in question.
Check the language in that bill.
Obama DID vote to teach sex ed to ALL students, K-12.
Facts are facts.
“So they agree that Obama is Islamic”
No, we have never agreed to your LIE.
“Netlore Archive: Email rumor alleges that U.S. presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim who has lied about his religious background, including his claim to being a devout Christian
Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: January 2007
Status: False”
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_obama_muslim.htm
Gibson’s world news didn’t even buy it, to his credit (discredit) on the newscast, he did mention what some in the crowd were thinking.
http://abcnews.go.com/wn
Obama sure got alot of airtime out of this while mccain made himself look like a buffoon!
http://abcnews.go.com/wn
LIE rumor came from CIA:
“One practitioner in Virginia, who hates Obama like a dog hates cats, led a reporter through his efforts. Because the man is a retired clandestine CIA officer, identifying him could endanger officers or operations that remain classified, so McClatchy will not reveal his name.
In late 2006, convinced that an Obama presidency would be disastrous for America, he decided to start an anti-Obama operation. He combed the public record on Obama. He used a couple of allies and informants — half-jokingly dubbing his group “The Crusaders” — to learn about Obama’s background, especially his Africa connection and how he came to be the editor of the Harvard Law Review.
He assembled a dossier on Obama, including allegations that Obama attended a madrassa, or Islamic religious school, in his youth in Indonesia.
Then the retired spook tried to get Israeli intelligence officials interested in his Obama dossier. They weren’t, to his chagrin. He also shopped it to some foreign reporters. Again, no luck.
He wound up posting some of it on a blog — and where it went from there in the vast world of cyberspace is anybody’s guess.
But a few months after the man began his work, the allegation that Obama was educated in a madrassa appeared in an anonymous article in Insight Magazine, an online publication of the Unification Church, in January 2007. It also claimed that Clinton operatives had dug up the information. The article was cited by several conservative commentators, including on Fox News, before it was debunked.
The piece had the markings of what’s called a “false-flag” operation: Make a covert operation appear to be the work of another party. And, like many misinformation campaigns, it “takes what you might believe without any factual basis and seen circulating around …a lot of speculation spun into a story,” said Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA official.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/36410.html
Well, as to putting lipstick on a pig.
And the conventional sense in which that is used?
Namely, ornamenting something ugly in an effort to make it pretty?
How DO they put lipstick on the “pig” that is Palin?
She believes a raped woman should be forced to carry a resulting pregnancy to term.
SHE believes that since she chose to bring a Down syndrome sufferer into this world, well then she can force everyone else to.
How DOES the right dress this one up?
Mccain’s screwed the pooch, or is that pig?
From the final major msm news:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4437966n
How many millions in free advertising did mccain gift to obama, today?
Is that darn age appropriate clause that franklin doesn’t understand. But he’s not alone (is kandi his sister?)
A PERFECT description of McCain’s policies as compared to Bush’s:
Idiom Definition for ‘Put lipstick on a pig’
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Meaning:
If people put lipstick on a pig, they make superficial or cosmetic changes, hoping that it will make the product more attractive.
http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/put+lipstick+on+a+pig.html
McCain’s Integrity
10 Sep 2008 01:40 pm
For me, this surreal moment – like the entire surrealism of the past ten days – is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It’s about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign?
So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him.
On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush’s war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country.
And when the Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to condemn and end the torture regime of Bush and Cheney in 2006, McCain again had a clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.
He capitulated and enshrined torture as the policy of the United States, by allowing the CIA to use techniques as bad as and worse than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam. He gave the war criminals in the White House retroactive immunity against the prosecution they so richly deserve. The enormity of this moral betrayal, this betrayal of his country’s honor, has yet to sink in. But for my part, it now makes much more sense. He is not the man I thought he was.
And when he had the chance to engage in a real and substantive debate against the most talented politician of the next generation in a fall campaign where vital issues are at stake, what did McCain do? He began his general campaign with a series of grotesque, trivial and absurd MTV-style attacks on Obama’s virtues and implied disgusting things about his opponent’s patriotism.
And then, because he could see he was going to lose, ten days ago, he threw caution to the wind and with no vetting whatsoever, picked a woman who, by her decision to endure her own eight-month pregnancy of a Down Syndrome child in public, that he was going to reignite the culture war as a last stand against Obama. That’s all that is happening right now: a massive bump in the enthusiasm of the Christianist base. This is pure Rove.
Yes, McCain made a decision that revealed many appalling things about him. In the end, his final concern is not national security. No one who cares about national security would pick as vice-president someone who knows nothing about it as his replacement. No one who cares about this country’s safety would gamble the security of the world on a total unknown because she polled well with the Christianist base. No person who truly believed that the surge was integral to this country’s national security would pick as his veep candidate a woman who, so far as we can tell anything, opposed it at the time.
McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain – no one else – has proved it.
Fr: The Daily Dish/by Andrew Sullivan, The Atlantic.com
OBAMA IS NOT A MOSLEM.
ANYBODY WHO CLAIMS OTHERWISE IS A BLATANT LIAR, AND SUPPORTS ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENTS.
Chas,
He father was a Kenyan who was a Muslim however……………and he did attend muslim school…………didn’t he, do you admit to that?
Chas
Shut up, go to Barns and Noble or Borders, buy Obama’s books, read them, and then come apologize for being an ignorant fool!
Obama ADMITS that he attended a Muslim school. Obama admits to rather intesive Muslim instruction.
Obama went to Muslim prayer services, frequently, with his step-father, when his name was Barry Soetoro.
Obama’s religion was registered as “Islam” at a Catholic school, that he also attended.
Obama says that the Islamic “call to prayer” is “The Most Beautiful Sound on Earth”!!
Obama’s own words!
Obama joined Pastor Wrights church out of political necessity. Obama pretty much admits this, in his book. Obama’s job was to organize Black churches, into political campaigns. Obama had a hard time doing that, until he, himself, joined a church.
You libs do not know what you are talking about.
You have not vetted this guy at all!
For the record, I would vote for a Muslim who agreed with me on the issues.
However, the issue is Obama’s honesty.
Obama claims, on his website, that he “never” received Islamic instruction and “never” prayed in a Mosque.
This is not true.
Barack Hussein Obama and Barry Soetoro are the SAME person.
Barry was raised as Muslim and Barry went to the Mosque, frequently.
Obama broke into politics because of his books. Those books are not honest.
However, even Obama’s own writings, in those books, refute what Obama says, today, on his own website.
Honestly matters!
BlueJay posts:
“SHE believes that since she chose to bring a Down syndrome sufferer into this world, well then she can force everyone else to.”
BlueJay you pathetic parasite, she brought a human being, loved by her family and many others, into the world. That child is will be loved and happier than you can ever know. And that child more loving than you can ever know.
I have a cousin that is Down syndrome, she was loved by her immediate family, and her extended family as we all love her. And BJ, she love us, and loves her life. She needs special attention, of course, but that brings blessed rewards to us all, that you seem incapable of even understanding.
Life is more than just you BJ, far more. You are to be pitied as you seem so far from an understanding of love for other human beings.
American
Posted September 10, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink
Chas,
He father was a Kenyan who was a Muslim however……………and he did attend muslim school…………didn’t he, do you admit to that?
SO WHAT?! My father was a Presbyterian. I attended Protestant Christian public schools In Georgia. Does that make ME any particular religion?
And, I don’t know that Obama attended a muslim school – I think it was a secular public school.
Sorry…I thought they were talking about our governor
Also one news cast said Obama said he may not stand in the way of 501c’s that have been wanting to do attack ads.
He should wait and see how this plays out first!
Obama’s father was a not practicing Muslim.
And an alcoholic and a polygamist, who ditched Obama.
Obama’s step father was a practicing Muslim. (Accept for the alcohol part. He TOO was a drunk)
Obama’s step father took Obama to the neighborhood “Mosque” in Jakarta, to pray.
Barry Soetero was raised as a Muslim and prayed in a Mosque.
Barack Obama IS Barry Soetero.
In regards to Palin; you do realize she has been on the ticket less than two weeks? Obama has been on his campaign for what – nineteen months?
So can we expect Palin to answer questions in nineteen months? Or will there be more excuses then? Because that’s what you have up there–an excuse. If she isn’t savvy NOW about the country, when she’s the Governor of Alaska, just when will she BE savvy and able to answer questions? Or can she only answer the way the John McCain, his campaign, and the Republicans want her to answer? If that’s it, then why did he/they pick her?
“Obama says that the Islamic “call to prayer” is “The Most Beautiful Sound on Earth”!!”
A Jewish fraternity brother of mine routinely attened midnight Christmas Mass in New York – saying that was the most beautiful service on earth. Does that make him Catholic?
I have attended services in Synagoues – does that make me Jewish? (I thought I was Presbyterian)
Phantom, I think you mean 457’s NOT 501(c) organizations.
Even so, Candidates CAN’T have any say over independent 457 advertising, so Obama is blowing smoke.
Chas,
What can I say in response to your diatribe above….except, Chas you are a complete idiot or a drunk. I hope it’s the later because at least you have a chance of recovery.
yes
It’s been a good day for obama.
Gov. Jane Swift(boat).
When has Obama answered tough questions about:
William Ayers?
Pastor Wright?
Tony Rezco?
ACORN?
The press lobs softballs at Obama, and lets Obama get away with obvious lies.
Obama says he “never heard” Wrights more outrageous statements.
However, in Obama’s own books, Obama admits that he listened to Wrights recorded sermons, while attending college.
In Obama’s own books, he says that he studied Frants Fanon, Malcom X, Frank Marshall Davis and other radicals, Marxists and revolutionaries.
Obama admits to reading, and learning, and being shaped and molded by people even more outrageous than Pastor Wright.
Yet the press let Obama wiggle out of it all by claiming that he did not know what Wright believed?
Black Liberation Theology was well known, to Obama, before he ever joined Wrights church. Obama knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
Do we want a President who is that naive, if he did not know?
Do we want a President who lies to us, if he did know?
“BlueJay you pathetic parasite, she brought a human being, loved by her family and many others, into the world.”
SHE made a choice. Why would she, or you, deny that choice to others?
Sarah Palin is a wealthy woman and a public official. She will have ample and government provided aid in the choice SHE made.
Where will such aid be for those whom she would FORCE to carry such a pregnancy to term?
sorry, that is Frantz Fanon.
Obama lists several other radicals that he studied, as well.
Dems fret about Obama
Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13357.html
DimLibs….you boy is imploding. Will it continue?
“Black Liberation Theology was well known, to Obama, before he ever joined Wrights church.”
Interesting. I hadn’t realized that “Black Liberation Theology” was a part of Islam.
BJ
You are not gaining any votes for the Democrats.
Keep it up.
You are helping McCain with every post you make.
Actually, I was just pointing out the obvious: those who insist on promoting the lie of Obama’s supposed muslim religion are no different than any other bigot. They judge people on the basis of a parody of their faith (or lack thereof) rather than on what they actually believe, and practice.
You won’t find a single one of these sickening, morally perverted bigots who knows the slightest thing about what Lolo Soetero actually believed, or what he taught his stepson in the brief time they had together.
Nor will you find any understanding of the world’s religions, or the conflicts that exist between different factions within (including, by the way, Christianity: to these types, anyone who fails to embrace their brand of Wahhabi Christianity is a heathen). Actual heathens like myself and Jay are–of course–regarded, contrary to common sense, as sworn enemies of religious people, rather than individuals who simply could not be convinced in the reality of an undetectable supernatural being.
Criticism of any religious doctrine (or, indeed, anti-religious doctrine) is fair game (it’s still a free country, sorta). Ignorantly prejudging the faith of others is bigotry. Using outright lies, half-truths, and misimpressions to promote such paranoia in service of a political agenda is really bigotry.
And it is the province of those who believe the end justifies means, people who have no real principles.
I’m running out of repartees, so I guess I’ll leave this pig stye, for the rest of you to wallow in!
ben
Get real.
Obama was recruited by Marxist agitators to get inside the Black churches of Chicago, for political purposes.
The White guys that recruited Obama knew that they needed a Black guy, so that is how Obama got the job.
Obama was well trained in Saul Alinsky Marxist activism.
Obama was very well read, in the politics of Black Power, both Black Liberation Theology “Christian” and Black Muslim.
Pastor Wright made Louis Farrakhan a frequent, honored guest and speaker, at Wright’s church.
The line between Muslim and Christian was not very clear, at all.
“SHE made a choice. Why would she, or you, deny that choice to others?”
BJ, you imbecile, because that “choice” involved another, totally separate living human being.
Can you not get that overriding concept through you thick skull?
To abort that baby would be to kill another human being.
God, help me understand what is what is wrong with people like you BJ?
Rage
Grow up and get real.
I am not a “bigot” for pointing out Obama’s own words, in Obama’s own book, and how those words conflict with what Obama says, today.
Take it up with Obama, he is the one who first told us about his Islamic connections, even if he was not 100% honest in those statements.
Oh I will keep it up Franklinpaulie.
How’s about you answer the question Sarah Palin won’t?
How IS it you force a woman who has been raped to carry the result to term?
Where IS the support when Sarah Palin forces people with less resources than she has to carry Down syndrome pregnancy to term?
Take it up with Obama, he is the one who first told us about his Islamic connections, even if he was not 100% honest in those statements.
Actually, Paul, you may not be a bigot.
You are simply a shameless liar, propagandist, and dissembler.
Was Obama talking about a boar, or a sow?
A gilt. Never been “kissed”.
“Where IS the support when Sarah Palin forces people with less resources than she has to carry Down syndrome pregnancy to term?”
So it’s “Oh my, this will be difficult…I’ll just kill it and go on.”
Paul – I am infinitely more ‘real’ thanyou cn ever know. Of course; having you tell me to ‘get real’ is a compliment – after all, it is coming from an unreal McLame Loser Lunatic!
:)
BTW Paul – I am probably a bit more familiar with the Chicago scene than you are. I lived in the area for three year – during the time I supported Dennis Hastert for Congress. I recall there were three political parties there: Republican, ‘Machine’ Democrat, and ‘Reform’ Democrat. As Republican in the suburbs I worked a lot with Chicago Reform Democrats.
“Get real” – from a guy who accuses others of bullying tactics here.
BJ
“Rape, Incest and Life of the Mother”
Those hard cases make up less than 5% of all abortions in America.
“Hard cases make bad law” — it is wrong to craft a law that does not address the other 95% of the cases, based on the 5% that you harp on, constantly.
Also, many of the “rape” cases are actually incest.
Currently, we are allowing dads, stepdads, and brothers to kill the evidence of their crimes.
However, I would support a law that made exceptions for the “hard cases” — if it protected the other 95%, which are nothing much more than “birth control” abortions.
You are NOT “prochoice” BJ. You disagree with Palin’s choice and you are upset that she did not conform to your views.
You also do not respect privacy, unless that privacy right covers abortion, and only abortion.
I hate to be cold and cruel.
Sarah Palin does not. SHE had the resources to support the choice that she made.
To bring a Down syndrome pregnancy to term?
Most women, most families, do not have the resources to make the same choice.
But Sarah Palin would FORCE that choice on them.
Paul – it is impossible for you to know anything about Chicago politics unless you have household members involved there. Isn’t that what you said to me about knowing the workings of my County Commission district election when Peterjohn defeted Winters?
BTW – I DO have Republican household members. Do you have any Chicago experience or household members?
BTW – where do they place the reform Democrats in the St. Patricks Day parade in Chicago? Right behin the horses – with brooms.
Ben
The truth is, the “reform” members of Chicago, both Republicans and Democrats, were a bit upset with Obama, recently, when Obama backed the dirty, Chicago Machine candidates for office, rather than the reform candidates.
McCain just held a huge, private fundraiser in Chicago.
I want Palin to go there next. That would be fun.
Also, Prof. Kahn, at WSU, taught me a great deal about Chicago.
2. What is the name of the God thay are worshipping?
What a stupid question! Each uses the name of the diety/God he or she worships. Kind of like the Girl Scouts.
The Girl Scout Promise
On my honor, I will try:
To serve God* and my country,
To help people at all times,
And to live by the Girl Scout Law.
* The word “God” can be interpreted in a number of ways, depending on one’s spiritual beliefs. When reciting the Girl Scout Promise, it is okay to replace the word “God” with whatever word your spiritual beliefs dictate.
http://www.girlscouts.org/program/gs_central/promise_law/
“The truth is, the “reform” members of Chicago, both Republicans and Democrats, were a bit upset with Obama, recently, when Obama backed the dirty, Chicago Machine candidates for office, rather than the reform candidates.”
How can you be an expert on Chicago politics if you don’t have household members there?
American
Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm | Permalink
Biden: Hillary Clinton ‘Might Have Been a Better Pick’ for VP
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
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Just EXACTLY as I predicted a week ago!
Obama is going to weasel out of his first major decision, to pick his VP, by finding some dang excuse to dump Biden and pick Hillreeee!!!!!
LMFAO!!!!!
Barack baby, we just gotta have a woman on da ticket, look who McCain picked!
It would be funny if Obama asked.
Actually, I think Hillary will make Obama pay off her campaign debt, before she does much of anything to help Obama.
I do not CARE about Palin’s choice Franklinpaulie.
Except that she would inflict in on others.
“Those hard cases make up less than 5% of all abortions in America.”
You mean rape and incest.
Well then stop waving around the partial birth abortion lie.
AND the other lies that you “pro life” people tell.
Less that 2% of abortions occur after 5 months.
Less than 2 tenths of one percent of abortions are “partial birth”
It is very easy for Sarah Palin to make the choice she did. She has the resources. It is very easy for Boxlock to make the post he did.
I don’t tell people what path to walk when I don’t walk in their shoes. MOST people cannot afford Sarah Palin’s shoes.
Barack to meet with Bill Clinton in HARLEM!
What do ya think they might talk about?
“Well Bill, I know I didn’t pick Hillree the first time, but I really need her man!”
“McCain done gone picked a woman, now I have to, cause this Palin btich be stronger then me, and I need Hillree to defend me from Palin.”
“Please Bill, Puhleeeeeeezzzeeee!”
“Bill, I need Hillree to stand up and defend me, I can’t HANDLE it on my own!”
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5izQosMtCfjNjE1uAP6fQV2BZ_qWwD93262B80
Obama plans extended meeting with Bill Clinton
3 days ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama plans to lunch with former President Clinton this week in what will be their first extended face-to-face meeting since the bitter primary season.
Obama intends to meet Clinton for a private lunch Thursday at the Clinton Foundation headquarters in New York City, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Sunday. Obama will be in New York that morning for a memorial ceremony at Ground Zero, where he will appear with Republican presidential rival John McCain to commemorate the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
Hillree says, “Well Barrack, you best bow your a*s down before me now, and you be kissin my a*s now, boy!”
“Ya want me for VP now, huh?”
It will be FUN to see what kind of crazy a*s story Obama comes up with to Splain Away Joe Biden!
Obama be prayin for poor Joe to dies off suddenly, but shorta that, it will be some big wild-a*sed tail for sure to Splain why Biden be gone and Hillree be the VP now!
100% of abortions kill a human life, BJ.
That is the most important statistic, of all.
The public would support major restrictions on abortion practices, once we get the Courts out of the way.
That day is comming, no matter what.
Hillree, if she had ANY Balls, would tell Barack to go F himself.
Paul – and Ken Ciboski and Roger Grund taught me a lot about local Republican politics. BUT – according to you I canno know anything about that even though I once was a Sedgwick County Republican. Again I ask – have you ever been involved in Chicago politics? If not – ACCORDING TO YOU – you cannot know anything.
BJ loves abortions.
He goes to the clinic to watch, just for fun.
WOW!
BTH was a County Republican!
Is that just above or below street sweeper?
BFD.
“Obama says that the Islamic “call to prayer” is “The Most Beautiful Sound on Earth”!!”
SO FRIGGIN WHAT??? FRANKLIN, YOU ARE EITHER TOTALLY STUPID, OR ELSE YOUR PAYCHECK FOR POSTING THESE TOTAL FABRICATIONS MUST BE WORTH A LOT OF BUCKS!!!
LYING POS!!!!
“So it’s “Oh my, this will be difficult…I’ll just kill it and go on.”
Oh I know your type very well Boxlock. Palin too.
You are oh so “pro life”.
Until that pregnancy leaves the birth canal.
Then it is on the mother, or the family.
That is why I am no longer “pro life”.
Ben — You a Presbyterian??? That makes us pretty close!!! Hang in there… We can stop this CRAP… and I do think SOON!!!
By the DemoRat Rules, how does the DemoRat Party Delegates go about pickin a new VP, if Obama fires the first VP the Party has already approved?
Do the Dems need to call a new Convention?
Do the Dems just break their own rules and do what they want?
How long can Barack wait to do this, Nov 1?
BlueJay
Namely, ornamenting something ugly in an effort to make it pretty?
How DO they put lipstick on the “pig” that is Palin?
SHE believes that since she chose to bring a Down syndrome sufferer into this world, well then she can force everyone else to.
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How many babies has michele obama killed?
We want to know.
Chas – My FATHER was a Presbyterian. About as close as I get is wearing ORANGE on St Patricks day.
I wonder how many here will know the significance of that. :)
Chas
Posted September 10, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink
“Obama says that the Islamic “call to prayer” is “The Most Beautiful Sound on Earth”!!”
SO FRIGGIN WHAT??? FRANKLIN, YOU ARE EITHER TOTALLY STUPID, OR ELSE YOUR PAYCHECK FOR POSTING THESE TOTAL FABRICATIONS MUST BE WORTH A LOT OF BUCKS!!!
LYING POS!!!!
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LOL! ROFLMAO!!!! PREACHER, CHAS…IS A PREACHER!!!! FART!!!!
Ya, I say those Budhist prayers be bu – ti – full too!
Just bootyful.
Orange for Protestants on St. Patrick’s Day… of course… “Orangemen”
Chas
Posted September 10, 2008 at 10:51 pm | Permalink
Ben — You a Presbyterian??? That makes us pretty close!!! Hang in there… We can stop this CRAP… and I do think SOON!!!
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What, stop the criticism of the baby killers? What religion defends baby killing?
“The public would support major restrictions on abortion practices, once we get the Courts out of the way.”
Get the courts out of the way.
That speaks a great deal to you and your agenda Franklin.
And the public does NOT support major restrictions on abortion. I invite you to prove otherwise.
“BJ loves abortions.”
No I do not Hank. But I know what the agenda of the “pro life” crowd is.
IF they can force a woman to carry to term? Then nothing will be outside their grasp to push on “personal responsibility” or religion.
Biden’s own Catholic Leaders Disagree with Him!!!!
The Catholic’s don’t support Abortion!
(But Biden and Pelosi as alledged Catholics support baby killing!)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-09-10-biden-abortion_N.htm
Bishops slam Biden over abortion comments
By Daniel Burke, Religion News Service
WASHINGTON — Several leading U.S. Catholic bishops are publicly rebuking Sen. Joe Biden, accusing the Democratic vice presidential nominee of voicing “flawed moral reasoning” on abortion.
The criticism comes soon after nearly a dozen U.S. bishops castigated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for saying abortion continues to be an “issue of controversy” in the Catholic Church.
IDEA CLUB: Do rights
“once we get the Courts out of the way.”
Aren’t a majority of the Supreme Ct Justices Republic picks?
Well, it’s been fun … but morning comes too early.
I want to know how many children YOU have Kandisue?
Oh, you shouldn’t force a woman to keep her baby, but it’s ok to prevent people from defending their own life.
Hypocrite DemoRats.
(Kill Babies, and Kill the 2nd Amendment)
BlueJay
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:01 pm | Permalink
I want to know how many children YOU have Kandisue?
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Look out Kandisue, IT wants to breed with you!
BlueJay posts,
“Oh I know your type very well Boxlock. Palin too.
You are oh so “pro life.
Until that pregnancy leaves the birth canal.
Then it is on the mother, or the family.
That is why I am no longer “pro life”.
Again BJ I ask, so out of convenience it’s okay to just kill another human being?
Are you or anyone that more important than another life.
“Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.” — President Ronald Reagan
Max LOVES lipstick… but Max is STILL a PIG!!
And with that, I am out of here….
Good night; good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL — even soccer moms, and pigs.
So mote it be!!
Chas supports baby killers.
I think it’s wrong to kill babies.
(Kill Babies, and Kill the 2nd Amendment)
Max, gross oversimplifications, but what the hell. I’ll play. I can oversimplify things too!
Basic distinctions: My body vs. your bullets in my body.
If you want to put those bullets in your body, go for it. Just make sure there’s a large, hard surface on the other side. We wouldn’t want anyone to get hurt!
But hey, if it’s ok to kill babies, then why not adults?
Can we legalize murder for adults too?
Why not?
Can we legalize murder for adults too?
Why not?
Shure. . .let’s make every Thursday “Kill the person of your choice” day.
/sarcasmOFF
P.S. By the way, we have legalized murder for adults.
It’s called capital punishment.
“Again BJ I ask, so out of convenience it’s okay to just kill another human being?”
And I ask you Boxlock if it is ok with you to deny food, health care, and shelter to another human being simply because you can afford it….
….and others cannot.
Ms. Palin had CHOICE… ALL women should be allowed CHOICE…
I support a mother’s right to make her own CHOICE regarding her reproductive RIGHTS.
It’s that damned Constitution that gets in the way of your BS Max… But what the hell, Bush says its just a piece of paper… and you LOVE BUSH!!! ROFL!!!
No rage, my body vs you trying to kill my body.
My right to self-defense existed long before the 2nd Amendment. That right will exist even without the 2nd Amendment.
My right to self-defense existed long before the 2nd Amendment. That right will exist even without the 2nd Amendment.
Point to where I attacked your right to defend yourself and maybe I start taking you mildly seriously.
Senator Hillary Clinton has said as to the raising of children…
“It takes a village to raise a child.”
Governor Palin has her “village”. It is made up of nannies and other such government paid employees that will care for her baby….
…while SHE tells other women in a circumstance similar in hers to fend for themselves.
What choice did the baby have?
Why is it a Double Homicide when someone kills a pregnant woman, and yet it’s legal for the woman to choose to kill the baby?
It’s human sometimes, but not at other times?
Oh, I get it.
More Lib Hypocracy.
The Lib Hypocracy:
If I have a baby, then SOMEONE ELSE should pay for it.
If I have an abortion, then SOMEONE ELSE should pay for the abortion.
That is consistent then, the Libs think SOMEONE ELSE should always pay for them.
Rage
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:17 pm | Permalink
My right to self-defense existed long before the 2nd Amendment. That right will exist even without the 2nd Amendment.
Point to where I attacked your right to defend yourself and maybe I start taking you mildly seriously.
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Try reading your own post at 11:06 smartass.
“What choice did the baby have?”
What CHANCE does that baby have? The “pro lifers” will abandon it to the mercies of the market and business and how the mother or the family do what they are FORCED to do to support and care for it.
Senator Barack Obama was right. The Republicans see a baby as a punishment and an anchor to obligation to those who would USE that mother or family and not help them.
Ad on Sex Education Distorts Obama Policy
By LARRY ROHTER
Published: September 10, 2008
Escalating its efforts to portray Senator Barack Obama as a candidate whose values fall outside the mainstream, the campaign of Senator John McCain on Tuesday unveiled a new television advertisement claiming that Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee, favors “comprehensive sex education” for kindergarten students.
“Learning about sex before learning to read?” the narrator asks in the 30-second advertisement, which the campaign says will be shown in battleground states and on national cable. The commercial also asserts that a sex-education bill introduced in Illinois, which Mr. Obama did not sponsor and which never became law, is his “one accomplishment” in the field of education.
Both sets of accusations, however, seriously distort the record.
The original controversy dates to 2003, when a bill to modify the teaching of sex education in Illinois was introduced in the Legislature. The proposal was supported by a coalition of education and public health organizations, including the Illinois Parent Teacher Association, the Illinois State Medical Society, the Illinois Public Health Association and the Illinois Education Association.
Mr. Obama voted for the bill in committee, where it passed, but it never came to a full and final vote. The proposal called for “age and developmentally appropriate” sex education and also allowed parents the option of withdrawing their children from such classroom instruction if they felt that it clashed with their beliefs or values.
In referring to the sex-education bill, the McCain campaign is largely recycling old and discredited accusations made against Mr. Obama by Alan Keyes in their 2004 Senate race. At that time, Mr. Obama stated that he understood the main objective of the legislation, as it pertained to kindergarteners, to be to teach them how to defend themselves against sexual predators.
“I have a 6-year-old daughter and a 3-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean,” Mr. Obama said in 2004. “And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age.”
It is a misstatement of the bill’s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, “medically accurate” education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.
The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by “comprehensive.” The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.
In another part of the advertisement, Mr. McCain maintains that Mr. Obama’s sole achievement in education was the sex-education bill. In reality, Mr. Obama not only helped administer a $49 million education project in Chicago in the 1990s, but also sponsored or co-sponsored measures that increased the number of charter schools in Illinois, and expanded federal grants to summer school programs and to historically black colleges.
As support for its contention that Mr. Obama is “wrong on education,” Mr. McCain’s advertisement cited criticism by Education Week, a trade publication. Mr. Obama “hasn’t made a significant mark on education” in his years in the Senate in Illinois and Washington, the advertisement asserts.
Education Week did indeed make that assessment in an article published last year. But in the same paragraph, the magazine also said that Mr. Obama “did promote early-childhood initiatives that advocates considered “innovative and progressive,” and also noted that “his biggest accomplishment in the field was the creation of a state board to oversee the expansion of early-childhood education in the state.”
The same publication has also criticized Mr. McCain, in language that was perhaps even stronger. Early this year, in an article titled “John McCain Where Art Thou?” it complained that he offered “a laundry list of fairly vague answers” on how to improve schools and did not make education a priority.
“McCain is a campaign-finance, foreign-relations, anti-abortion, tax-cut candidate,” the magazine said. “Education is not his thing. Depending on your perspective, McCain’s relative silence on education may be a good thing. If you think the federal government has grossly overreached into the state business of education, then he may be your guy.”
The Obama campaign expressed outrage over the commercial, with Bill Burton, a spokesman, describing it as “shameful and downright perverse.”
But Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said, “the Obama campaign did not and cannot dispute a shred of the content in the ad.”
Max it wasn’t lib hypocrisy- we fought that because of that exact argument and the fact that the antis were going to try to use it to create a wedge to end all abortion.
Liberals believe that choice means not having to risk your life to choose- that includes choosing to keep the child. The most important issue is the woman and what she wants- it is her body. And no woman should be killed for it.
The liberals proposed higher sentencing for people who killed pregnant women- and HARMED them as well- which would have included men who beat women who are pregnant. But the antis just wanted that fetal personhood law so bad- they chose to screw women who are merely ‘injured’ while choosing to carry her child.
Anyone who thinks Alexa’s law was anything more than antis getting their agenda pushed are morons.
A woman’s right to self defense sometimes includes abortion.
Phantom earlier called today a good one for Obama.
I hope he has many more like today over the next month.
One more such victorius day and he just might be undone.
Of course, it is not over until the fat Arab in the tower sings.
Mama,
You are correct on that.
Does a baby’s right to life ever include living when the mother wants it dead?
Have you ever heard the Muslim call to prayer? It really is downright mesmerizing. I don’t want it mandated- but to say it’s not beautiful is a lie.
If you’ve never heard it- listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvlimEYEpQ&feature=related
Once it is out of her body.
Governor Is Asked To Release E-Mails
By Karl Vick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
WASILLA, Alaska, Sept. 9 — Gov. Sarah Palin is being asked by a local Republican activist to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request, including 40 that were copied to her husband, Todd.
Palin had claimed executive privilege for documents copied to her husband, who is not a state employee, in responding to an open records request in June made by Andrée McLeod, an activist in Anchorage. The administrative appeal filed yesterday by McLeod’s attorney, Donald C. Mitchell, argued that by copying Todd Palin on sensitive state correspondence, the governor and her aides shattered the privilege rightly afforded elected officials.
“She has allowed Todd Palin — who has not been elected by the people of Alaska, who is not a state employee — to entangle himself apparently as he sees fit in the operations of the executive branch of the state government,” Mitchell said.
“From the case law, if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians, then that is waiver of that protection of the government policy decision-making process. That is what happened here, and it happened because Sarah Palin doesn’t understand it,” he said.
Todd Palin was frequently copied on e-mails relating to Alaska State Troopers and the union representing public safety employees, according to McLeod, who received four boxes of redacted e-mails in response to her request. At the time, both Sarah and Todd Palin were complaining to the state public safety commissioner about a disciplinary matter involving Sarah Palin’s ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.
Palin also routinely does government business from a Yahoo address, gov.sarah@yahoo.com, rather than her secure official state e-mail address, according to documents already made public.
“Whoops!” Palin aide Frank Bailey wrote, after addressing an e-mail to the governor’s official state address. “Frank, This is not the Governor’s personal account,” a secretary reminded him.
Calls seeking response from the governor were not immediately returned by a Palin spokesperson. Palin last month described McLeod as a disgruntled former employee, though in 2004 Palin endorsed her as a state House candidate “not afraid to stand up for what’s right.”
Mitchell’s appeal, addressed to Palin in her capacity as the decision-maker on the earlier records request, questions the wisdom of the governor and her aides shipping messages about state business between their public and private e-mail accounts “with complete and total abandon,” he said.
“There’s a reason the governor should be using her own official e-mail channels, because of security and encryption,” the lawyer said. “She’s running state business out of Yahoo?”
On March 17, minutes after peppering a state official about whether e-mails about state business contained on a personal BlackBerry could become public, senior Palin aide Ivy Frye addressed a message to both Palins and two other aides: “In sum, it’s just as I thought — questions of confidentiality are still unanswered by law.”
McLeod, a former state employee who once was close to Palin, filed an ethics complaint last month against Palin and others. She cited e-mail traffic that appeared to show that the governor’s office improperly helped a Palin fundraiser obtain a civil service position.
“By withholding these emails, Sarah Palin has broken on her promise of being open, honest and transparent,” McLeod said in a statement. “It’s old-school politics and not the kind of reform she pledged to Alaskans.”
Executive privelege to extend to someone not officially on you staff? Sounds like bush.
Palin had claimed executive privilege for documents copied to her husband, who is not a state employee, in responding to an open records request in June made by Andrée McLeod, an activist in Anchorage.
Damn, that sounds familiar!
Let’s see how many of these emails are–oops!–”lost” (before any Repubs go crazy, make no mistake-the Bush system was so primitive they really could have been lost (as far they knew–but it also showed how serious they were (not) about accurate record-keeping).
It was disturbing enough when Bush’s people were copying (and using) RNC email addresses for official business.
It’s one thing if it was something like “Honey, bring home a quart of milk.” But what the hell does Todd Palin have to do with official state busines?
That sounds a tad improrer to me.
Olbermann on 9/11
This is supposed to be a day of remembrance. Remembrance of the attack, remembrance of the national unity which followed it.
Most important of all, remembrance of the dead.
But 9/11 has become…… a brand name.
A Republican campaign slogan.
Propaganda of the lowest form.
9/11 has become… 9/11 **with a trademark logo.**
9/11 (**TM**) has sustained a president who long ago should have been dismissed, or impeached. It has kept him and his gang of financial and constitutional **crooks** in office without – literally – any visible means of support.
9/11 (**TM**) has made possible the greatest sleight-of-hand in our nation’s history.
The political party in office at the time of the attacks, at the local, state and national levels, the party which **uniformly** ignored the warnings — and the presidential administration already through twenty percent of its first term and no longer wet behind the ears — have not only thus far escaped any **blame** for the malfeasance and criminal neglect that allowed the attacks to occur, but that presidency and that party, have managed to make it seem as if the **other** political party would be solely and irredeemably responsible for any similar catastrophe in the future.
Thus, Senator McCain, were you able to accomplish a further inversion of reality at your party’s nominating convention last week.
There was the former Mayor of the City of New York — the one who took **no counter-terrorism measure** in his seven years in office between the first attack on the World Trade Center, and the second attack.
Nothing, except to insist — despite all advice and warning – that his Emergency Command Center be moved directly **into** the World Trade Center.
Yet there was this man, Sir – Rudolph Giuliani — quite succinctly dismissed as “A Noun, a Verb, and 9/11,” and repudiated even by Republican **voters** — transformed into the keynote speaker, Senator McCain — at **your** convention.
And his childish, squealing, braying, Tourette’s-like repetition of 9/11 (**TM**), was greeted not as conclusive evidence that he is consumed by massive guilt – hard-earned guilt, in fact – but rather as some kind of political tour-de-force, an endorsement of your Vice Presidential nominee, a rookie governor — a facile and slick con artist.
The blind endorsing the bland, to a chorus of 9/11 (**TM**), 9/11 (**TM**), 9/11 (**TM.**)
Your ringing mindless cheer of “We’ve Kept You Safe Since Then”…
While nobody asks “doesn’t **then** count?”
All of this, sadistically disrespecting the dead of New York, and Washington, and Shanksville…
**Endorsed**, Senator McCain…
**Exploited**, Senator McCain…
**Trademarked,** Senator McCain… by **you.**
And yet of course **the** exact moment in which Senator McCain’s Republicans showed the nation exactly how far they have fallen from the Better Angels of Mr. **Lincoln’s** Nature, came the **next** night.
The television networks were told that the Convention would pause, early in the evening, when **children** could still be watching, for a 9/11 **Tribute**, and they were encouraged to broadcast it.
What we got was not a tribute to the **dead** of 9/11, nor even a tribute to the responders, or the singularity of purpose we all felt.
The Republicans gave us sociological pornography… a virtual **snuff film**.
Years ago, responsible television networks, to the applause of the nation, and the relief of its mental health authorities, voluntarily stopped showing the most graphic of the images of the World Trade Center, except with the strongest of warnings.
And yet, the Republicans, at their convention, having virtually seized control of the cable news operations, showed… the worst of it.
This is **all** anyone with a conscience can show you of what the Republicans showed you.
The actual collapse of the smoking towers.
A fleeting image of what might have been a victim leaping to his death from a thousand feet up.
And something new.
From this angle, ground-level, perfectly framed, images — of the fireball created when the second plane hit the second tower.
It was terrifying.
After all its object **was**… to **terrify.**
Not to commemorate, not to call for unity, not to remember the dead.
But to terrify.
To open again the horrible wounds, to brand the skin of this nation with the message — as hateful as the terrorists’ own — that you must vote Republican or this will happen again and you will die…
And just in case that was **not** enough, to also dishonestly and profanely **conflate** 9/11 with the 1979 **Irahn** Hostage Crisis — to stoke the flames of paranoia about **another** Middle Eastern Nation.
This **was** a 9/11 Tribute.
Not to the dead, nor to the unity.
But a tribute to how valuable 9/11 has been as a political tool for the Republican Party.
9/11… (**TM.**)
Senator McCain, you had promised us a **clean** campaign.
You could be Snow-White the rest of the way, Sir, yet that manipulative videotape from **your** convention should tar you always in the minds of decent Americans.
And still, as this seventh 9/11…(**TM**)… approaches — that, Sir, is not the worst of your contributions to the utter politicizing of a day that should be sacrosanct to all of us.
Hard to believe, but the Senator has done worse with 9/11 and the evil behind it.
We heard it last week in Minnesota… we’ve heard it off and on since January…
But Senator McCain said it most **concisely** in June.
“Look,” he said. “I know the area, I’ve been there, I know wars, I know how to win wars, and I know how to improve our capabilities so that we will capture Osama bin Laden — or put it this way, bring him to justice. We will do it. I know how to do it.”
Senator McCain seems to be quite serious — that he and he alone — not the CIA, nor the U-S Military, nor the current President — can capture Bin Laden.
Thus we must take him at his word, that this is no mere ludicrous campaign boast.
We must assume Senator McCain truly believes he is capable of doing this, and has **been** capable of doing this, since last January.
“We will capture Osama bin Laden… we will do it. I know how to do it.”
Well then, Senator… you’d better go and **do it**… **hadn’t** you?
Because, Sir, if a man or woman in this nation, Democrat or Republican, had a clear and effective means of capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden…
If that person had been advertising his claim, Senator… for **eight** months…
But if that person not only refused to go to responsible authorities in government and **advise** them of this plan to catch Bin Laden, but further announced he would not even begin to **enact** this secret plan to corral the world’s most hated man… until the end of **next** January…
What would be **your** description of such an individual, Senator?
Charlatan?
**Do-nothing**?
**Opportunist**?
Senator McCain, if you have — if you have **had** — a means of capturing Osama Bin Laden, and you do not immediately **inform** some responsible authority of the full scope of that plan, you are to some degree great or small… **aiding and abetting** Osama Bin Laden.
If you could assist in **capturing** him now, Senator McCain, but you have chosen not to… you, Sir, have helped… Osama Bin Laden… stay **free.**
**Free** to inspire and supervise the terrorists.
**Free** to plan or execute attacks here.
**You**, Sir, are **blackmailing** some portion of the American electorate into voting for your party, by promising to help in the capture of Bin Laden… **only** if you are made president!
I’d rather win an election than catch Bin Laden!
No more cynical calculation has ever been made in this nation’s history, Sir.
If you **lose** the election, Senator, are you **not** going to tell the President-Elect?
Are you intending to keep this a **secret** until the next election and your party’s next nominee?
Senator, as you and your Republicans shed your phony, crocodile, opportunistic tears tomorrow on 9/11 **TM**, in front of the utterly disingenuous banner “Country First”….
The **fact** is, you have shown that it is **John McCain** first, and the country **last.**
The **fact** is, Sir, by **holding out** on your secret plan to catch Bin Laden…
By searing those images into our collective wounded American psyche at your nomination last week…
Terrorists are not what you, John McCain, **fight**.
Terrorists… are what you, John McCain, **use.**
Good night, and good luck.
Palin’s Ethics Scrapes May Undercut Pledge to End Old Politics Thu Sep 11, 12:01 AM ET
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) — John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate sent a signal that he would end business as usual and cronyism in government. Her record shows the Alaska governor engaged in some of the same practices she and McCain now condemn.
Palin’s office approved a state job for a friend and campaign aide with whom she shared a land investment, financial records and interviews over the past two weeks show. She hired a former lobbyist for a pipeline company to help oversee a multibillion-dollar deal with that same company.
She named a police chief accused of harassment to head the state police. And she sent campaign e-mails on her city hall account while serving as mayor of Wasilla — conduct for which she later turned in an oil commissioner on ethics charges.
These incidents raise “some serious questions about her judgment and serious questions about her standards of ethics in public service,” said James Thurber, director of American University’s Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington. Suggesting a real estate investment partner for a job “may be acceptable in Alaska; it would not be acceptable in Washington, D.C., a place whose norms she wants to change.”
Palin defeated an incumbent governor, a fellow Republican, in 2006 charging that her party’s old guard had committed ethical lapses and become too cozy with special interests, including oil companies. A central theme in this year’s presidential campaign has been that Palin’s record demonstrates the change a McCain administration would bring to Washington.
Recent statements by the governor may erode that claim. In her acceptance speech last week, she suggested that she opposed the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere,” a $223 million earmark for a bridge to an island where only 53 people lived.
For It, Against It
When Palin, 44, campaigned for governor, however, she said she was in favor of the bridge. In 2007, she canceled the project in the face of national outrage. The state never returned the money allocated by the federal government, with some of the funds going toward other state and local projects.
And as mayor of Wasilla, a job she held for six years until 2002, Palin hired lobbyists to get federal funding for local projects. Wasilla secured $27 million in earmarks for the town of about 9,000 that included a rail project and a youth center.
Shortly after she was elected governor, Palin’s office signed off on hiring Deborah Richter — who attended college for a year then worked in bookkeeping and finance jobs — as director of a division that distributes dividends to Alaskans from the state’s oil-wealth savings account.
Richter, who said she’s known Palin for 13 years, was Palin’s gubernatorial campaign treasurer and ran her inaugural committee.
Sharing an Investment
The Richters and Palins also shared an investment: 30 acres of rural property near a lake in Petersville, Alaska, worth $47,300, according to Matanuska-Susitna Borough data.
“It sounds like a patronage deal for someone who ran your campaign; that’s pretty normal,” said Bill Buzenberg, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity in Washington. “What’s not normal is that they have business dealings together.”
Deborah Richter gave up her share of the property last September in a divorce settlement that followed an affair with Palin’s legislative director, John Bitney. Bitney and Richter both acknowledged the affair in interviews. Bitney said Palin fired him over it; Richter is still on the job. They are now married.
Last month, Palin signed a law granting TransCanada Corp., Canada’s largest pipeline company, an exclusive state license and up to $500 million in subsidies to proceed with work on a $27 billion pipeline, which would carry natural gas from Alaska to other U.S. markets.
Once a Lobbyist
Marty Rutherford, the chief coordinator behind Palin’s pipeline effort, once worked as an Alaska lobbyist for a TransCanada pipeline subsidiary, according to state records. Rutherford, deputy commissioner at the Alaska Department of Natural Resources, earned $40,200 as a lobbyist for 10 months in 2003 working for Foothills, the subsidiary.
Rutherford said in an interview that she only did consulting work for the company, including reviewing natural gas legislation. She said the work had no bearing on her future job as coordinator of Palin’s pipeline team.
“I intended to leave state government when I went to Jade North, but as time went on I realized my heart was in government,” she said, referring to the firm she briefly worked for.
Palin told the Anchorage Daily News last December that Rutherford’s work with Foothills wasn’t a conflict because it had been five years earlier.
Trooper Investigation
The governor already has triggered an investigation by the Alaska legislature into whether she fired the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, for not removing a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce from Palin’s sister.
Palin has denied exerting any pressure on Monegan and said she dismissed him because she wanted to take the department in a new direction.
Since McCain picked Palin, seven Palin aides have declined to be interviewed on the matter by an investigator hired by the Alaska legislature, according to the House and Senate Judiciary committees.
Earlier this year, Palin found herself apologizing for her handling of Monegan’s replacement. About six weeks before she learned McCain wanted her to be his vice president, she named Kenai, Alaska, police chief Charles Kopp to replace Monegan.
On July 25, two weeks after being appointed, Kopp resigned amid scrutiny over a 2005 sexual-harassment complaint against him while he was chief in Kenai. The complaint resulted in a letter of reprimand from the city, which Palin told reporters she never knew about and had believed that the allegations were unsubstantiated, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
Not a Harasser
In a July press conference, Kopp denied any harassment. “I’ve always done every job I’ve ever done with honor and integrity,” he said. “There is one thing I am not. I am not a sex harasser.” Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.
The moment that crystallized her image as a reformer came when she turned in state Republican chairman Randy Ruedrich after discovering he was using his state e-mail account to conduct party business.
Palin and Ruedrich were serving together as commissioners on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, a state regulatory agency, at the time. Ruedrich resigned from the commission in November 2003, and was later fined $12,000, according to a 2004 article in the Anchorage Daily News.
In 2006, Palin found herself asking forgiveness for a similar offense from her past, according to a July 28, 2006, article in the Anchorage Daily News. She had sent campaign e- mails from her Wasilla mayor’s office in 2002, when she made an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor.
“For any mistakes like that (were) made, I apologize,” Palin said of the e-mail controversy in July 2006, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
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Sounds like the “Swift” Boat campaign is in full force again. (Gov. Jane Swift’s quote)
The lipstick reference was at least a vailed reference to Palin’s lipstick remark in her speech before the Republican Convention.
I’d always heard the reference as “A dress on a pig.”
In Alaska, they don’t call Todd the shadow governor for nothing.
Obama is the pig.
And showing that more as the campaign goes on in both mannerisms and words.