Sarah Palin has touched off a touchy debate among some women — whether she is putting her career too much before her family, which includes a 4-month-old son with Down syndrome and a 17-year-old pregnant daughter. But the typical roles are reversed, the New York Times reported, with “social conservatives, usually staunch advocates for stay-at-home motherhood, mostly defending her, while some others, including plenty of working mothers, worry that she is taking on too much.”
Should Barack Obama, who has two young daughters, face similar questions?
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If he’s got a pregnant daughter and one with downs syndrome, sure. But he doesn’t.
Sarah Palin has proven over and over that she can effectively multi-task. Alaska’s time has come. So, I say, “Go for it Sarah Palin.”
Are you not grateful, Beber? I guess life is what you choose to make of it.
I didn’t hear any of the Democrat speakers thanking their mothers for having them, as if the mothers were heroines for not selecting abortions. I expect before this convention is over, a baby will be held aloft in front of the digitally waving flag, illuminated in a beam of golden light.
Even though his Senate career has supported Dumbya 90% of the time, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term didn’t pick another Cheney. He’d be his own
angry white manCheney if elected.Karl Rove even notes Palin was a political choice, not a policy-driven nomination. I’ve asked several times — and no CON has been able to answer — just what issues a President McC*nt might rely on Palin for advice and counsel?
Her usefulness to the Republic Party ticket ends when the polls close on November 4th. She’d be a return to the traditional daily Veep role; to preside over the Senate and inquire about about the President’s health. I think the Klondike Snow Bunny can handle the workload. Barely, perhaps, but she could count on coming home to the Navel Observatory every night in time to whip up a supper of Mooseburger Helper for the Snow Machine racer, their kids, and the grandbaby. No problem.
The problem becomes dicey is that’s she’d be a heartbeat away from a 72-year-old heart. McBush has determined the GILF is the second-best person on the planet to lead the free world.
The debate is honest. As a working professional mom, it was devastating to have to quit working to take care of my special needs child. For a short period of time, I went to work and my husband stayed home.
It does speak of the sexism in the US. This conversation would not be being had, if it was the father running for the position. Do people really think so lowly of fathers that they cannot handle the position?
The bigger issue is that of Sarah Palin’s philosophical hypocrisy- she belongs to the very crowd that demonizes women for the very path she has chosen.
Would anyone be asking this if Palin was a man?
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 3, 2008 at 7:15 am | Permalink
The problem becomes dicey is that’s she’d be a heartbeat away from a 72-year-old heart. McBush has determined the GILF is the second-best person on the planet to lead the free world.
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And Obama being a community organizer is a great deal of background experience for President, right? Oh yeah, he has (allegedly) run his campaign, so that is all the experience he needs to be President!
Another Palin bashing thread. This time because she is a woman.
Let’s see what Phillip is saying: It’s THE woman’s job to stay home and cook the dinner and watch the kids. She can’t possibly do both. Because of coures, she is a woman.
Liberals Defend the woman’s right to do whatever she dreams of, unless she is a Republican. Then bash the living daylights out of her and claim she should be home with the kids.
Selective Male Chauvinism.
Come listen to my story about a woman named Sar,
Poor mountaineer, barely kept her family marr’ed.
Out one day shooting for some food,
When up from the ground came some bubbling crude…
Next thing you know ole Sar’s a millionaire,
Kin folk said, Sar’ move away from there.
So she packed up the truck and moved to Beverely,
Hills, that is,
Swimming pools, movie stars, etc.
Seriously, these folks are some pathetic hicks – are they not?
RFL
Posted September 3, 2008 at 7:38 am | Permalink
Another Palin bashing thread. This time because she is a woman.
Let’s see what Phillip is saying: It’s THE woman’s job to stay home and cook the dinner and watch the kids. She can’t possibly do both. Because of coures, she is a woman.
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RFL — I see you are having a reading problem… maybe its the lack of caffeine… That is absoutely NOT what Phillip said…. READ again >>>>
“But the typical roles are reversed, the New York Times reported, with “social conservatives, usually staunch advocates for stay-at-home motherhood, mostly defending her, while some others, including plenty of working mothers, worry that she is taking on too much.””
Coming from a family of five with a working mother I know that the multi-tasking CAN be done. This should be a non-issue.
“RFL” whines –
“Another Palin bashing thread. This time because she is a woman.”
Nope.
The thread is about the job and her competence.
What issues would a president John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) rely on a Vice-President Palin for counsel?
She’d be working Dan Quayle hours (without the golf play dates).
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StevenEDavis
Posted September 3, 2008 at 7:45 am | Permalink
Come listen to my story about a woman named Sar,
Poor mountaineer, barely kept her family marr’ed.
Out one day shooting for some food,
When up from the ground came some bubbling crude…
Next thing you know ole Sar’s a millionaire,
Kin folk said, Sar’ move away from there.
So she packed up the truck and moved to Beverely,
Hills, that is,
Swimming pools, movie stars, etc.
Seriously, these folks are some pathetic hicks – are they not?
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Kind of like a back country peanut farmer that became President?
“Is Palin taking on too much?”
Nah she can hire a fleet of nannies to care for the kids.
Bristol can take care of the special needs baby.
Power mad Sarah is free to demonstrate her priorities in life.
The woman used her position as mayor to get books taken off the shelves in a library. How involved with her family can she EVER have been?
“Is Palin taking on too much?”
Not for you or me to say. A nice thing about large families though is that she won’t be alone caring for the special needs child. There are older children to help and they will gain a valuable life lesson about love and compassion.
I will be watching with interest tonight. At this point, truly a woman to be admired.
Is there anything the left wing homosexual anti Christian media will not do or say to stop Palin?
The Eagle is pathetic.
Some say those on the left are evil – I say they are right.
Regular, it is sort of like that peanut farmer who became President – except for that peanut farmer also graduated from the Naval Academy, and holds a PhD in physics, and served as Governor of Georgia (the one in the USA).
So, also, not sorta! :roll:
Hmmm Maybe Carter’s PhD is in Nuclear Engineering, now that I think about it…
I say those on the right are evil.
Book banner Sarah PROVES I am right.
The question asked and compared to Barak Obama:
Barak Obama has his mother-in-law staying home doing all the child rearing duties, while he and his wife seek and exploit careers over one of them raising their children.
Quite frankly, I don’t think it’s any of the press’s or public’s business of how the Palin family is raised. Curiosity yes? Mean-spirited voyeurism, no.
“Kandisue” rails against –
“… the left wing homosexual anti Christian media….”
No so homosexual anymore, “Kandisue,” since Tucker Carlson was canned.
SquarePeg
Posted September 3, 2008 at 8:15 am | Permalink
Regular, it is sort of like that peanut farmer who became President – except for that peanut farmer also graduated from the Naval Academy, and holds a PhD in physics, and served as Governor of Georgia (the one in the USA).
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Steven Davis, which I was addressing, squarepeg wasn’t attacking the education of the Palin’s. He was attacking their “earthy” background and values.
If one is going to compare roots, living style and etc. then the whole mix needs to be brought in.
As we found out, Carter was a dismal failure as President. His education didn’t help him in the least.
Where is the question on whether Michele Obama has killed or not killed a child through abortion?
We need to know this.
It makes the anti American left wing crazy to think not everybody wants to kill a baby.
Yeah carter has a phd, thats hilarious….
Honorary from Chickenshit U….
A vision.
I hear little annoying barking dogs. They are barking at a freight train…,no it’s an oil tanker truck as it passes by them. The tanker truck is sleek and new and shiny. It doesn’t hear the insignificant little dogs as they bark and growl insults and threats as it gains speed toward it’s destination.
Squarepeg,
What did Phillip say? Did Phillip write the NYT article that you re-posted in bold?
What Phillip actually wrote: “Is Palin taking on too much”
followed by:
“Sarah Palin has touched off a touchy debate among some women — whether she is putting her career too much before her family,”
Then he quotes from the NYT. The NYT is not his original work. Wake up squarepeg.
“The thread is about the job and her competence.”
Nope.
It’s about the fact that she is a woman and therefore, by that fact alone her competence is to be questioned.
Male Chauvinism revealed.
Part of the Republic Party boilerplate about the GILF has been how “…she went up against Big Oil in her home state.
Do you know what she did?
She imposed a WINDFALL PROFITS TAX on Alaskan oil! A Windfall Profits Tax!
She raised taxes!
She taxed oil companies’ price-gouging!
Maybe that’ll be her portfolio if she were elected! She’s got experience raising taxes against Big Oil!
You Republic Party lackeys stand for nothing and will fall for anything.
biased1 —- Are you seriously challenging President Carter’s PhD degree?? I do hope you arent.
Regular, you are the one who raised the issue of the peanut farmer from Georgia. I just thought I would throw in a little something ABOUT that peanut farmer. His Presidency and his University degrees were not particularly related… only in minor ways.
Monkeyboy- She imposed a WINDFALL PROFITS TAX on Alaskan oil! A Windfall Profits Tax!
Finish the story uncle monkey, what did she do with that tax???
(hint: she did not use it for social programs)
I commend every working parent! It’s tough but millions do it every day. They all deserve praise!
My first reaction to McCain’s choice was pretty much as Brownlee stated. However, I am sure enjoying the irony of the situation as I watch the feminists attack a woman.
As usual, RFL, you are just plain WRONG… again. Of course Brownlee didnt write the NYT article…. which is why I responded to your earlier ridiculous post about what you claimed Brownlee was saying.
YOU said that Brownlee was saying what the NYT article said…. which is why I responded… All Brownlee did was quote from the Times article…
AND, he basically is asking his question bout Palin taking on too much NOT from his own writing.. but from all the remarks of others.
I DO think the Times article makes a valid point.
Consider “Kandisue’s” highly pertinent –
“Where is the question on whether Michele Obama has killed or not killed a child through abortion?
We need to know this.”
It’s the sexist Republic Party CONs who are trying to make this issue gynecological instead of governmental.
SquarePig- Bachelor of science…..
sorry to bust your bubble….
When DOES she have time for her family?
Seems from her earliest in politics, Palin has been one busy little Christo fascist.
From the New York Times…
snip”And for some, Ms. Palin’s first months in office here were so jarring — and so alienating — that an effort was made to force a recall. About 100 people attended a meeting to discuss the effort, which was covered in the local press, but the idea was dropped.
Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.
Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office”
“biased1″ –
“…what did she do with that tax???
Let me guess.
She used her newly-enacted Windfall Profits Tax on Alaskan Oil to fund research and new development of alternative and renewable energy technologies! Right?
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SquarePeg
Posted September 3, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink
Regular, you are the one who raised the issue of the peanut farmer from Georgia. I just thought I would throw in a little something ABOUT that peanut farmer. His Presidency and his University degrees were not particularly related… only in minor ways.
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Then don’t bring your weak game to me and go whining when your analysis of the same situation is soundly defeated.
Square peg,
Using the thread intro or the NYT article, Show me gender neutral support for Phillip’s question that Palin might be taking on too much.
YOu can’t which is why this thread is all about Phillip claiming that Palin is incompentent simply because she is a woman with a family.
-She used her newly-enacted Windfall Profits Tax on Alaskan Oil to fund research and new development of alternative and renewable energy technologies! Right?
Nah, she did something that gives a democrap nightmares….
She gave it to the people of alaska.
MH – “the GILF”
Your words. Tells me all I need to know. YOU are exactly the hypocritical sexism Brownlee is(badly) speaking of. Yup, women are fine in politics – as long as they agree with you. If they don’t, well, they’re demeaned, abused, . . .well, they’re GILFs.
Of course. You’re exposed for exactly what you are.
P-mom is nearly as bad. She believes in feminism – as long as it is her feminism. But REAL feminists – who ACCOMPLISH what she says feminism is all about (Sarah Palin walks the walk, not just talks the talk) – are condemned if they go off the feminism plantation. Palin didn’t hold the correct opinions, therefore she’s to be condemned.
Typical from the left. They’re tolerant of everything except what matters: differences of opinion. Put a woman out of the “correct” opinions, however, and suddenly the respect the left would be demanding (rightly) were she holding the “correct” opinions is denied her. She becomes a target, from the left, of exactly what the left would condemn were the roles reversed.
Would we be having this conversation if she held, say, Barbara Boxer’s political opinions? No.
Hypocrites. But IOKIYAD. And the media, as usual, props them up.
BTW – Republicans have no issues with strong women. But then, Republicans don’t make a practice of pigeonholing people by race or gender, and dictating what those persons should believe. That particular bit of racism/sexism is a Democratic trait.
GMC70- good one!
You got P-mom, squarepig, monkeyboy and bluejay all scrambling for something to cut and paste….
HAHAHAHA..too funny.
Yes, biased1, she did do that indeed; in the form of a debit card to be used to offset rising energy costs, as I recall. Smacks a bit of income redistribution there, doesn’t it?
“biased1″ on Palin’s Windfall Profits Tax on Alaskan Oil companies –
“…she did something that gives a democrap nightmares….
She gave it to the people of alaska.”
Wait a minute.
She taxed Big Oil than wrote 750,000 government checks to individual Alaskans?
Sounds like a social program to me.
Very good Counselor (GMC)
The IOKIYAD method of analysis is failing them as it always has. (It’s Okay If Your a Democrat – IOKIFYAD)
The entire Democratic philosophical and ideological premise is based on IOKIYAD. This is not only sanctimonious but it reveals Democrats struggle to perform Holy communion without without the benefit of a Savior or a Deity or even a common slate of ethics. To have merit to be judgmental in ways of ethical conduct, one needs a standard, the Democrats have none.
Whoring ones political ideology to the latest fad like the Democrats do is a sure-fire method to fall flat on their face because people will soon find out it’s all empty rhetoric.
As they say in Texas, Democrats are “All hat, no cattle.”
“YOu can’t which is why this thread is all about Phillip claiming that Palin is incompentent simply because she is a woman with a family.”
Ahhhhhh — But Phillip isnt claiming that. YOU are making that claim.
It is quite legitimate to ask if she is taking on too much. And it has nothing to do with her being a woman with a family.
MY question to her would be why she would WANT to leave a life of relative ease, in a still-devoloping part of the Country — And move everything to Washington, D.C., where she will be somewhat like a Moose out of the woods!
-She taxed Big Oil than wrote 750,000 government checks to individual Alaskans?
Yeah, really pisses off the democrappy congress too.
It’s a state tax, and the oil companies get to write it off of their federal taxes. BAM!
Some of you all might want to take a look at this >>>>
http://app.razorplanet.com/acct/40149-8554/tmpl/index.php?nid=3719&s=hm&preview=true
Since each person (no consideration of political persuasion or sex) has a different idea of what too much is and what constitutes handling the responsibilities of job and family in a balanced way, how would any of us judge what the Palin family thinks?
If I think the sheets on the beds need to be changed weekly, there will be others who think it necessary more or less often. If I think I need time available to talk NOW when my child approaches me, there will someone else who has worked out a different way of addressing quality time with each child. And don’t we all handle the unexpected the best we can? We have some contingency plans and sometimes we have to go to Plan “Z,” the one we came up with when all the other plans didn’t work. Same with job — one employee does what is asked and another looks around to see what else needs to be done. Which and what is “too much?”
One parent does it all with no outside help, while another has help. Both can be successful and both have the potential for not getting it right and one area suffers.
Since we have NO idea what the Palin family thinks is a good balance we’ll probably never know whether she achieved the balance right for them. But it is their decision and their challenge.
A TIME-WARPED SEXIST ASSAULT
Posted: 4:15 am
September 3, 2008
HOLY hoop skirts: When did the clock tick back to 1958?
When Joe Biden tragically lost his wife and infant daughter in a car wreck in 1972, not a single colleague, friend or competitor advised him to quit his newly won Senate seat to raise his two little surviving sons.
Rather, he was sworn into office from the injured boys’ bedside, and took to commuting an hour and a half each way from Delaware to Washington. And when Biden’s second wife gave birth to a daughter, no one thought to ask him to step aside and stay home.
They all do it. John Kennedy did it; so did Barack Obama: Men run for office and serve in elected positions while creating small children without ever being patronized as “super dads” or “multi-taskers.”
Nor are they penalized, ridiculed or dismissed for ignoring their kids. They’re good dads.
If Sarah Palin, tapped as John McCain’s running mate, were a man, it’s unlikely we’d even be having this conversation. (A man, or a Democrat.)
Palin is a mother five times over. She also hunts, fishes, coaches hockey, has a day job as the governor of the state of Alaska – and is known to commute home from the state capital of Anchorage daily during session. Just like Biden.
And, until at least four months ago, Palin also had the ability to bear a child, which we’ve just learned is a talent she shares with her 17-year-old daughter.
But women on the left, who fought long and hard for the ability to raise children simultaneously with election cash, are in spasms. (Some have simply kept silent. Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton – where are you?)
The same lefty media that studiously ignored the adolescence of Chelsea Clinton can’t wait to dig into Bristol Palin.
The Diary section of Daily Kos Web site had a curious way to make Palin’s daughter into a campaign issue: “Considering Palin was chosen solely for her religious right family values cred, Bristol’s shotgun marriage and pregnancy are very fair game. They are the direct result of this lunatic abstinence-only garbage, and should be highlighted as such.”
The stupendously sexist New York Times printed a front-page article noting that some unnamed women argue over “whether there are enough hours in the day for her to take on the vice presidency, and whether she is right to try.”
Which left the field weirdly clear for Phyllis Schlafly, who helped defeat the Equal Right Amendment – and also ran for Congress while raising six children – to tell the Times, “People who don’t have children, or who have only one or two, are kind of overwhelmed at the notion of five children.”
The only question we should be asking is: Can Sarah Palin do the job?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09032008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/a_time_warped_sexist_assault_127183.htm
I think Sarah Palin is an aspiration to women across America. As a young girl growing up, I was told that I could do anything. That I could even be an astronaut, fighter pilot, computer programmer, etc. even though it had been positions held by mostly men in the past.
Then when I grew up, those dreams and possibilities were squashed by reality that either they would hire men over me because I had children at home and they didn’t think I would be able to handle the demands. Then recently my last place of employment hired a woman that had the belief you had to prove you would choose your career over your family. However, our previous employer was a male who felt that you could balance the two. Needless to say, I no longer work there.
Us women are tired of the double standards. I think that if a man can have a family and a career at the same time, the you would think that women who truly believe in equal rights would feel that a woman should have that same opportunity.
I say kudos to Sarah Palin and her family especially her husband for the support they have given her in their career.
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As for beber and his following comment:
I expect before this convention is over, a baby will be held aloft in front of the digitally waving flag, illuminated in a beam of golden light.
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I guess that would be an almost insignificant shadow compared to Obama standing in front of a Greek temple as though he were a god. Be honest, that was WAY!!! overboard unless you really do think he is a god.
Palin is MORE qualified than Obama.
You libs have dug yourselves a huge hole in the ground.
“GMC70″ –
You’re just jealous you didn’t think of it.
Would you prefer “Trophy Veep?”
Palin isn’t the second-best person on the planet to be leader of the free world.
Palin isn’t the best woman in America to be leader of the home of the brave.
Palin isn’t even the best woman in the Republic Party to step into the Oval Office an a heartbeat’s notice.
Karl Rove himself calls it a political choice, not a policy choice.
And it’s all you CONs with crocodile tears who are desperately trying to steer the discussion to matters gynecological. It’s all
she’sya got.Why thank you Squarepeg, here’s the Church’s official statement on Governor Palin.
August 30th, 2008
Governor Sarah Palin did attend Wasilla Assembly of God since the time she was a teen ager. She and her family were a part of the church up until 2002. Since that time she has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here. This June, the Governor spoke at the
graduation service of our School of Ministry, Master’s Commission Wasilla Alaska.
We have had some inquires into Governor Palin’s beliefs. We do know that Gov Palin is a woman of integrity. She is a servant of the people, she is a strong leader. As for her personal beliefs, Governor Palin is well able to speak for
herself on those issues.
As Alaskans we are excited about our Governor being selected as the nominee for Vice President. As residents of Wasilla, we are ecstatic about one of our own being thrust to the national forefront. However, as a church, it is not
appropriate for us to endorse any one candidate over another. As believers, we are reminded in 2 Peter 2.13 that we are to submit to those in authority. 1 Timothy 2.1-2 tells us pray for those in authority. This we will do no matter
who is elected. We wish the best to Governor Palin, and Senator McCain, as well as to Senator Obama and Senator Biden.
May God continue to bless America.
Biden voted with McCain pretty close to 90% of the time, the last few years.
“GILF”? I know I’ve seen it before but what is the acronym for?
RFL — How do you propose anybody be gender neutral, when talking about a “mother” ? Can you talk about MEN when talking about mothers?
Well, I guess with certain surgery one could talk about that. :roll:
bth,
http://www.all-acronyms.com/GILF
GILF
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Derogatory. Soon we will see Monkeyhawk exclaim, “Show me your t*ts Palin!!”
Sorry Chas, . . . I mean SquarePeg
Little Jimmy didn’t have a PhD. He surely didn’t have a PhD in nuclear physics or nuclear engineering.
He worked for Richover temporarily and Richover did not have officers with nuclear engineering or physics degrees working for him.
I’m pretty sure that Carter’s degree was no more than a BS, fitting for his career!
“It is quite legitimate to ask if she is taking on too much. And it has nothing to do with her being a woman with a family.”
-square peg
Yeah okay.
If it is a legitmate question and it has nothing to do with her being a woman and having a family, then what is basis for the question (Is Palin taking on too much)?
Hank, unless Pres. Carter obtained additional degrees after graduating from the Naval Academy, I believe you are correct that his degree would have been a B.S.
MH –
OF COURSE it’s a political choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So was Biden’s. Is there another kind? It’s ALL POLITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!
Duh.
That said, she has more relevant experience for the job than Obama. Sarah Palin has actually governed something.
And your choice of nicname for her identifies you for exactly what you are.
Hypocrite.
Well, there you go — both candidates for VP have / had the same challenges. In fact, Sarah Palin has one more challenge than Joe Biden faced! He wasn’t forced to make a decision of moving his family as he lived close enough to commute daily.
Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. ~Charlotte Whitton
The bashing of Palin is nothing new. Women have always had to defend themselves against the “it’ a man’s world”.
Women have been told for years they are not able or capable of being in charge and leading. They are discrimanated against on a regular basis and the media has just proven they are the biggest discriminators of all.
This is an historical opportunity to have the first women VP and the opportunity for her to be the first women president.
The media apparently only wants men. They should stop being hypocrites.
ben –
I suppose you’ve found the acronym now.
Makes you proud, don’t it? Still wanna claim MH as one of yours?
I didn’t think so. Neither would I.
Good morning avtolle!
Richover’s officer selection process was legendary. He personally interviewed every officer that went to Nuclear Power School.
He never selected an officer with a degree in oceanography or nuclear physics. No matter how smart or otherwise qualified, never.
Since each person (no consideration of political persuasion or sex) has a different idea of what too much is and what constitutes handling the responsibilities of job and family in a balanced way, how would any of us judge what the Palin family thinks?
Preeeecisely, Linda!!
Just think. If John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) good “work the Google” he could learn what “GILF” means.
With regard to Palin’s experience, what did she learn from governing?
What decisions did she make and what do her decisions tell us?
The bridge to nowhere. She was all for it before the political winds changed and she wasn’t. However she kept ALL those federal funds, didn’t turn away nary a dollar.
Wiki tell us: While running for Governor of Alaska and asked about the teaching of creationism along with evolution in public school science classes, Palin answered: “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both”; she stated the next day that she meant that open debate between the two ideas should not be prohibited if it came up in discussion, but that creationism did not need to be part of the curriculum.
Wiki goes on: According to CNN, in 2006 Palin supported abstinence-only education in Alaskan schools.[12] She wrote, “Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” on a questionnaire while running for governor in 2006.
According to the Washington Post, in 2008 Palin used a line-item veto to reduce Alaska state funds to support a center called Passage House, “a transitional home for teenage mothers.”
Though Alaska has no current death penalty statute, Palin has declared herself in favor of capital punishment. She has stated that: “If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it.
In an interview with Alaska Business Monthly “shortly after she took office” as governor,[42] Palin favored an “exit plan” for the war in Iraq:
Alaska Business Monthly: We’ve lost a lot of Alaska’s military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?
Palin: I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe. Every life lost is such a tragedy. I am very, very proud of the troops we have in Alaska, those fighting overseas for our freedoms, and the families here who are making so many sacrifices.[43]
Palin has tied the war to the quest for new energy supplies, saying, “We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.”[44] However, she also stipulated that a clear plan for Iraq should not include concerns with oil or energy dependence, saying, “I’m a mom, and my son is going to get deployed in September, and we better have a real clear plan for this war. And it better not have to do with oil and dependence on foreign energy.”
There’s some meat! There’s some topics we should be considering. These and others like them should influence our votes.
“If it is a legitmate question and it has nothing to do with her being a woman and having a family, then what is basis for the question (Is Palin taking on too much)?” [RFL]
I would say it goes to Motive. Not so much as to IS she taking on too much, but WHY is she wanting to take on so much? Talk to any family, anywwhere, raising a Down Syndrome child, and ask about time committments…
I suppose if she wants the child raised by Nanny’s, with only minimal amounts of time spent with the child/children, then she doesnt have a problem.
One of the very best officers I ever worked for had a degree in Russian Literature! When being interviewed by Richover he let it slip that he was about to get married.
Richover told him that if he wanted to go to Nuclear Power School that he’s have to call his girl frieng and tell her the wedding was off until he got to the fleet.
He picked up thephone and called his girl and said, “Baby, We’re going Naval Air.” Richover kept him.
Palin’s pork requests confound reformer Tue Sep 2, 11:54 PM ET
ST. PAUL, Minn. – John McCain touts Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a force in the his battle against earmarks and entrenched power brokers, but under her leadership the state this year asked for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects from one of McCain’s top adversaries: indicted Sen. Ted Stevens.
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That’s more than any other state received, per person, from Congress for the current budget year, and runs counter to the reformer image that Palin and the McCain campaign are pushing. Other states got just $34 worth of local projects per person this year, on average, according to Citizens Against Government Waste, a Washington-based watchdog group.
Palin actually reduced the state government’s requests for special projects this year to 31 earmarks totaling $198 million, about $295 person, in the wake of President Bush’s demand for a cutback in earmarks.
The state government’s earmark requests to Congress in her first year in office exceeded $550 million, more than $800 per resident. But there’s only so much Palin could do with state bureaucrats used to a free-flowing spigot of federal dollars from Washington.
“I have championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress,” Palin said in her vice presidential campaign trail debut last week.
Palin’s current request to Stevens, “would still put Alaska No. 1,” said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group that tracks earmarks closely.
The McCain campaign said Tuesday that Palin realized that Alaska was too reliant on earmarks and ordered state officials to cut back on their requests. It also said Obama requested nearly $1 billion in earmarks over three years for Illinois — a state with nearly 20 times the population of Alaska.
“We cannot and must not rely so heavily on federal government earmarks,” Palin told state legislators in January.
Obama hasn’t asked for any earmarks this year as he and Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton manuevered on the issue. Last year, he asked for $311 million worth, about $24 worth for every Illinoisan.
For his part, McCain doesn’t seek pork projects.
Budget watchdogs allied with McCain have annually railed against Stevens, Alaska’s senior senator, and his state’s addiction to earmarks, those locally popular pet projects added to the federal budget by senators and House members. McCain and Stevens are not friends, and the two men have openly clashed on the Senate floor over earmarks.
In addition Palin’s requests on behalf of the state government this year, 124 public and private entities in Alaska have asked Stevens for earmarks this year.
In her earlier political career as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a private lobbyist to help the tiny town secure earmarks from Stevens, entering Washington’s “pay to play” culture in which lobbyists, campaign contributions and lawmakers are intertwined.
The town obtained 14 earmarks, totaling $27 million between 2000-2003, according to data compiled by Taxpayers for Common Sense.
Federal lobbying records show that Wasilla hired the firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh in 2000 to arrange “funding of city projects.” The signature on the registration form is that of Steven W. Silver, a former top aide to Stevens, who chaired the Senate Appropriations Committee on and off between 1997 and 2005.
The firm initially was paid $24,000 a year, an amount that increased to $36,000 in 2001. The firm has continued to work for the town government since Palin left as mayor in 2002. Silver gave $2,000 to Stevens’ Northern Lights political action committee in 1999, according to federal records.
Stevens was indicted in July for failing to disclose $250,000 in gifts from VECO Corp., an Alaskan oil services company.
At the same time, Palin’s campaign trail braggadocio last week that she told Washington “‘thanks but no thanks’ on that Bridge to Nowhere” didn’t tell the whole story.
In fact, Palin was for the infamous $398 million bridge — to connect the town of Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport on it — before she was against it, speaking in favor of it during her 2006 race for governor.
Alaska has become so accustomed to largess flowing from Congress through Stevens that most of Palin’s earmark requests this year — such as studies of Alaskan fisheries, grants to combat drug trafficking, and rural airport upgrades — simply keep ongoing programs going. Among her requests was $150,000 to pay the travel bills of state and fisheries industry representatives on the boards that implement North Pacific fisheries agreements.
“They’ve definitely become addicted to earmarks,” said Ellis, of Taxpayers for Common Sense. “And Gov. Palin has continued in at least some form that addiction.”
Alaska’a earmark requests: http://stevens.senate.gov/earmarks/Approps-StateofAlaska.pdf
It’s about time. A lefty who ia actually true to her prinicples. Bingo, Linda.
For MH & Co., of course, principles are changed when convenient, for partisan purposes.
Saw this joke on another blog – fitting. It’s funny, because it reflects the truth:
“Q: What would have been the best way to get the MSM to bury the Bristol Palin pregnancy?
A: Announce that John Edwards is the father.”
Do you think there could be prejudicial/political bias in some people’s mind about raising children and being in politics?
How about reading this story involving others in this campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/5ptzju
http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm
There’s one site that lists the issues and Palin’s positions.
NOTE: Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy — No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
No position, no experience, no stance, no facts. I would imagine she has some of the best tutors and she is working hard to catch up.
I think the entire issue(or non-issue) of the teen age daughter’s pregnancy should be hertofore OFF LIMITS… It has nothing to do with the campaign… It makes no sense.
However, the Republicans in their great wisdom, have apparently decided it will be all nice and proper, to have baby’s daddy show up at the Convention…. which is ALSO stupid, and should be OFF LIMITS…
Once again, the CONs would rather get up on their hind feet in feigned moral outrage against me than discuss substantive issues (non-gynecological) I raise in this forum.
It’s all style over substance for you guys. What about the wealth-redistribution WINDFALL PROFITS TAX on Alaskan Oil? Where are all you principled free-market CONs on that?
On what specific issues to you expect a President McC*nt to consult and take advice from a Vice-President Palin?
All through the primaries, McSame said proudly he “…was not voted Miss Congeniality in the Senate.” So who does he pick to be a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency? “Miss Congeniality!” Literally!
You guys are no longer the Republican Party.
You’ve become the Republican Parody.
Linda – per your 9:50.
Right. Exactly right. You may agree with what Sarah Palin’s done, you may disagree. You may think she’s a good choice, you may not. Fair enough.
But enough of this sexist trashing from the self-described bastions of “tolerance.”
avtolle — Carter has a BS degree. and has done Graduate Work (not clear as to the degree) in nuclear physics, and other courses related to a nuclear submarine.
I do belive Mr. Carter was slightly higher in his graduating class at Annapolis than Mr. McCain.
avtolle — one more — would it be a common thing to have a distunguished professor on the faculty of Emory University, that did not hold a Doctorate degree? Just a question.
Hell, MH –
You haven’t RAISED any “substantive issues” on this forum.
You’re too busy drooling over Sarah Palin.
Neanderthal.
So sorry GMC — but Monkey just said >>>
“It’s all style over substance for you guys. What about the wealth-redistribution WINDFALL PROFITS TAX on Alaskan Oil? Where are all you principled free-market CONs on that?
On what specific issues to you expect a President McC*nt to consult and take advice from a Vice-President Palin?” [MonkeyHawk]
I believe both of those are substantive issues. Well, at least in the minds of those who arent blinded by the “lite” as it were.
Monkeyboy- “It’s all style over substance for you guys.”
and where is that great list of CGs (for curious george) and senator MITYH (for man in the yellow hat) acomplishments?
And don’t count the $350 mil earmarks from MITYH’s(for man in the yellow hat) lobbyist son…..
SquarePeg
Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink
So sorry GMC — but Monkey just said >>>
“It’s all style over substance for you guys. What about the wealth-redistribution WINDFALL PROFITS TAX on Alaskan Oil? Where are all you principled free-market CONs on that?
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Squarepeg and the other dumocrats were “fer” wealth distribution before they were ‘agin’ it.
and where is that great list of CGs (for curious george) and senator MITYH (for man in the yellow hat) acomplishments?
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BINGO, my thoughts exactly. It is hard to question Palin and not question the almighty who is running for Pres., Obama.
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SquarePeg
Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink
avtolle — Carter has a BS degree. and has done Graduate Work (not clear as to the degree) in nuclear physics, and other courses related to a nuclear submarine.
I do belive Mr. Carter was slightly higher in his graduating class at Annapolis than Mr. McCain.
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General Robert E. Lee did better in his military schooling than Generaly Ulysses Grant.
How did that work out?
Regular — Please show where I am agin it??
I am typing s l o w l y so you can read it.
The Indians had no former schooling.
-Squarepeg and the other dumocrats were “fer” wealth distribution before they were ‘agin’ it.
and
fer a war hero before they were ‘agin’ it.
and
fer a woman for pres. before they were ‘agin’ it.
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SquarePeg
Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Regular — Please show where I am agin it??
I am typing s l o w l y so you can read it.
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Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Dumocrats.
That okay with you Chas/Das/Squarepeg?
“biased1″ –
I’m not sure what you mean with the “Curious George” reference.
Are you asking about Bush?
The Indians had no former schooling.
Custer went to West Point.
See folks! They have no answers for the questions about what is Sarah Palin’s knowledge, what are her policies. They don’t even attempt answers. Instead they try to “bait” everyone to get back to personal issues which they can defend.
Do you approve of wealth redistribution? Is this something you hope will be implemented at the federal level?
(A question MonkeyHawk has been asking since Friday and no one addresses.) What strengths does Palin bring to the table? What situation would everyone stop and ask her opinion?
SquarePeg, while normally one holds the title of “Distinguished Professor” at a University such as Emory after obtaining a Ph.D and many years of research and teaching, when one is a former President of the United States, for example (I believe there are others with long, distinguished careers in public service holding similar positions at other institutions of higher education who were not President as well), the “normal” requirements/expectations for such position are not enforced/observed. Not a slam at former President Carter or Emory University, just an observation of reality. I believe former Secretary of State Dean Rusk held such a position at a noted university, but cannot recall his academic background nor the university right now.
If Biden was for a windfall profits tax on oil companies, to be re-distributed to the populace, the cons. would be railing against the socialist democrat.
But if a Republican Gov. does it, it is praise worthy. See any inconsistency there hypocrites?
(A question MonkeyHawk has been asking since Friday and no one addresses.) What strengths does Palin bring to the table? What situation would everyone stop and ask her opinion?
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Who cares, MH would do her. That’s all I need to know, eh MH?
Chas– uh, SquarePeg:Let’s not kid ourselves. VP’s don’t HAVE substantive policy issues. A VP’s job is to balance the ticket/draw votes. Once elected, he/she is to be president of the Senate (but he/she rarely goes there, of course; he/she has no vote, unless there is a tie).
Well, that, and check the president’s pulse every morning, and thank God that he’s still alive.
Remember the comments about the V-residency? Not worth a warm bucket? The old line about the woman with two sons?
It’s still true.
VP picks are about politics. Period. Both parties. Always.
That’s not to say consideration of whether the VP could do the job should the nominee die in office is not relevant; it is. In THAT sense, a VP nominee matters (and in that sense, Palin out-prepares Obama!). But that is not the reason VP picks are made.
SquarePeg, just consulted the wiki on Dean Rusk. It appears my memory was off, a bit; he had a law degree from University of California-Berkley, and after retirement from the government, taught International Law at the University of Georgia School of Law.
C’mon, Linda, MH has been drooling since Friday.
And I’ve long since written off MH for anything of substance. He’s an ankle-biter. He’s out to stir the pot for the sake of stirring the pot. Like Obama, there’s no “there” there.
Monkeyboy- “I’m not sure what you mean with the “Curious George” reference.”
Are you asking about Bush?
(been seeing the “chimp” reference about bush for more than 8 years, now the libtards have a candidate that looks more like a monkey than even bush…..heh, heh, I guess you could say you were ‘agin’ a chimp before you were fer one….)
…..
(and an “old white guy” in a yellow hat to tell him what to do…)
Palin’s tenure as mayor of Wasilla was marred by tremendous staff turnover, first when she fired most of the top staff — including the city’s librarian — because she questioned their loyalty, and then later when staff quit because of her micromanaging style. Wasilla even lost the opportunity to hire a police chief because he said the job seemed too political. She has continued to have a “combative” skill set as governor.
Yes, the two “jobs duties” of vice president are be prepared to be POTUS and be president of the Senate. There are the funerals and the represent the U.S. situations traditionally filled by the VP. Although we don’t know what role McCain wants for his VP and we have seen “less than traditional” VPs of late.
How has Palin demonstrated an ability to deal diplomatically with foreign powers?
(Also posted on Open Thread–I’m not getting into the “feminist/non-feminist” argument)
“McCain advisers Stephen Schmidt and Mark Salter told reporters in St. Paul, Minnesota, yesterday that the campaign learned of Bristol’s pregnancy when the mother was vetted.”
That still raises the question of when she was vetted. It was a good answer though. Typical politician-talk.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080902/pl_bloomberg/azjwbcginwsg
Palin Signed Ordinance to Issue $15 Million in General Obligation Bonds and Increase the Sales Tax From 2 to 2.5 percent. In 2001, Palin signed an ordinance authorizing the city to issue general obligation bonds in the principal amount of $14,700,000 to finance the acquisition and construction of park and recreation capital improvements. The ordinance also increased the sales tax from 2 to 2.5 percent and put the issue on the ballot. After it was adopted by voters, Palin signed an ordinance issuing the bonds. In 2002, Palin signed an ordinance putting the higher sales tax into effect. [Ordinance 01-55 (am),12/10/2001; Ordinance 02-14 (sub), 4/8/2002; Ordinance 02-49, 8/12/02]
http://tinyurl.com/6khjlb
Obama’s ONLY “executive” experience was as chairman of a liberal foundation. Obama was appointed to that board by terrorist William Ayers.
Obama’s State Senate District (from which he represented anti-Semite Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan) is SMALLER in population than Palin’s home town, where she was MAYOR.
The jobs of Mayor and Governor are FAR more important than any legislative job.
Executive positions, like Mayor and Governor, actually have to make decisions and carry out policy.
They don’t just talk.
All Biden and Obama do is talk.
Palen was a Mayor, already, for 5 years before Obama ever entered elective office.
Wasilla’s Pension Was Only Funded at 73 Percent When Palin Left, as Opposed to Almost Completely When She Became Mayor. In fiscal 2002, Wasilla funded 73 percent of its defined benefit pension plan obligation and had 52 percent unfunded liability as a percentage of its covered payroll. In fiscal 1995, Wasilla funded 97.5 percent of its obligation and had 4.3 percent unfunded liability as a percentage of payroll. [Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 2003, page 29; Wasilla Comprehensive Annual Financial Report 1996, page 45]
Documents Show While Mayor Palin Had Thank You Notes to Campaign Donors Printed by Her Assistant on City Time and Arranged Campaign Travel from Her Office. “The Voice of the Times, a separate editorial section within the opinion pages of the Daily News, made the original public records request that produced many of the documents that Murkowski’s campaign handed out Thursday, including a stack of telephone records, e-mails — such as a campaign note from her mayor e-mail address to Ruedrich — and invoices from Wasilla City Hall. The documents appear to show, for example, that on one occasion Palin arranged campaign travel from the mayor’s office. On another, her city administrative assistant printed thank-you notes to campaign donors. The administrative assistant, Mary Bixby, said in brief interview with the Daily News in late July that she was directed to perform those tasks while on the clock for the city.” For any mistakes she did make, Palin said, “I apologize.” [Anchorage Daily News, 8/18/06]
Linda
Barrack Hussein Obama suported Odinga, in Kenya.
Odinga also used the “change” mantra, in his campaign.
When Odinga lost, Christian Churches were burned to the ground and rival tribe members were hacked to death with machettes, after being forced to watch gang rapes of their women.
Obama is not very good at “foreign affairs” —
The quote is from John Nance Garnder and authentic (not bowdlerized) version is “The Vice-Presidency isn’t worth a bucket of warm piss.”
He said that in the 30s.
Apart from George HW Bush & Dan Quayle, every POTUS since Reagan has nominated a Vice-President who didn’t have to go on TV and ask, “What is it that a Vice-President does every day?”
With John McCodger in the Oval Office, the question of presidential succession is the elephant in the living room for the Republic Party and you really, really don’t want to talk about it.
And she’d come with more excess baggage (and about the same experience) as Spiro Agnew.
Linda
Actually, your above post would indicate anything illegal, in Kansas.
I do not know the law in Alaska.
However, in Kansas, there is a specific statute that allows some measure of political work, while on the job, for both the candidate and for top staff members.
actually, your above post would NOT indicate anything illegal, in Kansas.
Careful, “biased1″ –
Your, “…a candidate that looks more like a monkey than even bush…” comment is sure to get the offended wrath of “GMC70″ on your case.
And your “Curious George” with an “old man telling him what to do” sounds like Shrub/Cheney to me.
Palin is far stronger than Obama.
Democrats just released Palin’s social security number, home phone number and home address.
Enough is enough.
Succession is an issue, true enough.
But Palin has more real experience than the top of the Dem ticket.
She’ll do just fine.
Oh. I see that Sarah Palin now is refusing to answer questions of a legislatively-appointed investigation in Troopergate, unless the investigation is brought under the auspices of an Alaska personnel board comprised of three persons appointed by Palin herself. And if it isn’t, she won’t testfiy.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_wants_independent_troope.php
Sarah Palin has the personal and professional ethics of a reptile. No wonder that hacks like Franklin and GMC70 defend her so staunchly.
From George Will…
“John McCain’s opponent is by far the least experienced person to receive a presidential nomination in the 75 years since the federal government became a comprehensively intrusive regulatory state and modern weaponry annihilated the protection the nation derived from time and distance. Which is why McCain’s case for his candidacy could, until last Friday, be distilled into two words: Experience matters.”
and…
“Many cultural conservatives, who are much of the GOP’s base, consider McCain’s adherence to their persuasion perfunctory. By his selection of Palin, he got the enthusiasm of the base. But what has he got in Palin? In coming days he and we will learn from a stern teacher, experience.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202441.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Can you give me an example of one experience she has that you find will be useful in the position of VP or (should it be necessary) President?
Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
Democrats just released Palin’s social security number, home phone number and home address.
Enough is enough.
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Someone will be doing some time in an FBI office and before a federal judge for that stunt.
Unusual for me to say this, but Lindalinks has some very good comments on this topic. You Dems would be wise to read her words above and take her approach in analyzing whether “Palin is taking on too much”.
I HOPE that you Dems do NOT heed my advice, and that you continue on your current trek to Pile-on Palin, and attack the living crap out of her and her daughter.
Especially Bristol, PLEASE DO CONTINUE the pregnancy attacks on the 17-year-old daughter every day!
(That’s 3 Days now of 24/7 Continuous Press Coverage of Bristol’s Baby. What’s next, a WombCam? You hear the news about the EU & Russia or North Korea this week? Nah, WWIII is not important!)
Your attacks on the VP candidate for being a woman will completely backfire on y’all if ya keep it up. The attacks on the Pregnant Daughter will backlash so badly that even many Democratic women will be disgusted enough by the Press and their own Dem Party’s attacks, to pull the voting lever for Palin.
So I anxiously look forward to days FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, AND TEN of the TRASH THE WOMAN and THE DAUGHTER attacks by the Media, and by you Libs.
And consider this, many ask why we don’t have any truly good candidates to choose from. Now, why would someone truly good for America, subject themselves and their families to the constant, hysterical, and unfounded attacks by the Press and by you goons who lap-up the Press putridity by the mouthful?
Dem Dogs, keep lappin it up!
CF,
I believe I posted much the same last night. :)
Some wonder why the state Attorney General (Talis Colberg) isn’t handling Sarah’s case. Well, it seems he’s the one she hired to do some pre-emptive sleuthing to find out what the Legislature would find. Colberg has been talking to everybody and has been called as a witness.
Sarah claims she knew nothing about her husband’s and members of her administration’s inquiries “about the appropriate Department of Public Safety procedures for dealing with someone they considered a dangerous person and rogue trooper.” Did she not know they’d been filing complaints by the bucketload? Do Todd and Sarah not talk as husband and wife about a family matter? Hmmmmm….
Van Flein is now saying the state legislature shouldn’t be handling this investigation–the state Board of Personnel should be. That’s the 3 person state Board of Personnel that Sarah appointed.
Hollis French (state senator and former state prosecuter) who is heading up the investigation says NO.
Van Flein says, “Our concern is that Hollis French turns into Ken Starr and uses public money to pursue a political vendetta rather than truly pursue an honest inquiry into an alleged ethics issue.”
French says, “How does Van Flein explain the unanimous vote (to pursue the investigation of Palin) by the Republican-dominated Legislative Council?”
The trooper in question made death threats.
The trooper in question should have been fired.
What is a governor to do?
Is it your opinion that I could make death threats against members of Governor Kathleen Sebelious’ family (as an example only, I would never do that) — and that the Governor could then take NO interest in the case against me?
That is absurd.
“GMC70″ –
I handed you your ass in the forum so many times they could dust it for prints.
Experience being wrong is not an asset for you guys.
And there was another tall, lanky man from Illinois turned out to be a pretty fair president. (Albeit, succession issues came up.)
Should we expect Sarah Palin to have a working knowledge of the Constitution of the United States of America?
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During the run-up to the election that made Sarah Palin the governor of Alaska, the right-wing pro-life group Eagle Forum sent a detailed questionnaire to each of the candidates.
Among its many questions was this one:
“In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if elected
governor?”
This was Sarah Palin’s response:
“1) Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children; 2) Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution, and 3) Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.”
Palin’s answers to questions 1 and 3 were fairly predictable. They might even be embraced by some Democrats.
It’s the answer to Question 3 that should worry us.
“Preserving the definition of ‘marriage’ as defined in our constitution.”
It should worry us because the word ‘marriage’ never appears anywhere in our Constitution.
For the past seven-and-a-half years, the Bushies have chosen to trash the Constitution with their own extreme interpretations. As a consequence, they have made a mockery of our most basic foundational document. But they surely know what’s in the Constitution and what isn’t. Governor Palin obviously doesn’t.
http://tinyurl.com/57wwzw
linda
The “experience” of Obama is to KISS UP to criminals, terrorists, and racist nut cakes.
The “experience” of Obama is to take campaign funds from the criminal slum lord, Rezco, who financed some of his operations through his Syrian terrorist connections. Obama also represented Rezco, the slum lord, in eviction cases and defended Rezco in cases various government agencies had against Rezco.
The “experience” of Obama is to take a paying job from terrorist William Ayers.
The “experience” of Obama is to sit in the same church with Pastor Jeremiah Wright, and listen to hateful sermons.
On the other hand, Sarah Palin stands up and fights for what she believes in. Palin QUIT an energy board that she thought was corrupt, and then took on the entire Alaska establishment, and won!
Pertaining to Troopergate and the aerial hunting done by both the brother-in-law AND Palin’s father, and for those of you who don’t know the laws about this (I sure didn’t!), here’s the answer.
Aerial Wolf Gunning 101
What is it, and why does vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin support the practice?
By Samantha Henig
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 2, 2008, at 6:38 PM ET
Wolves
Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska and John McCain’s vice presidential pick, is an enthusiastic hunter who has proposed legislation and cash incentives to encourage aerial wolf gunning, the controversial practice of shooting wolves from an aircraft. Do people in Alaska really shoot wolves from planes?
Yes, but only with the government’s permission. Aerial shooting yields better results than traditional hunting, since it allows the hunter to cover a lot of ground quickly and track target animals from a clear vantage point. Historically, hunters also used planes to drive animals—polar bears in Alaska and elk in Montana, among others—toward gunmen waiting on the ground. But many hunters found the practice unsportsmanlike, since it violates the “fair chase” ethic, and animal rights activists call it inhumane, since airborne gunmen rarely get a clean (i.e., relatively painless) kill. In response to concerns like these, Congress passed the Federal Airborne Hunting Act of 1972, which made it illegal for hunters to shoot animals from a plane or helicopter.
The federal legislation (PDF) does have a loophole for predator control, permitting state employees or licensed individuals to shoot from an aircraft for the sake of protecting “land, water, wildlife, livestock, domesticated animals, human life, or crops.” (This doesn’t just apply to wolves; coyotes and foxes are sometimes gunned down from aircraft, especially in Western states.) Since 2003, Alaska has issued aerial wolf-hunting permits in select areas where moose and caribou populations are particularly endangered. The idea is that by killing the predators, the airborne gunmen can ramp up the number of moose and caribou that human hunters can take home for supper.
An aerial wolf-gunning team typically consists of two people—one to fly the plane, and one to shoot the animals. Former crop sprayers tend to make good pilots because they are used to flying close to the ground. Airborne hunters tend to fly single-engine Super Cub planes at very low speeds and at altitudes of less than 100 feet—sometimes swooping down to 10 to 15 feet above the ground. But flying so slow and low can be dangerous, and there have been a number of reported deaths in recent years as a result. Helicopters have the benefit of being able to hover very close to the ground, but they’re prohibitively expensive for private pilots. (A small helicopter might cost as much as four times more than a Super Cub.) This past spring, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game lent its helicopters and employees to the predator-control effort.
There are two methods for making a kill during an aerial hunting expedition: Either you shoot the wolf while airborne or you track the animal from above, then land and shoot it from the ground. Legal limits on “land and shoot” hunting have been far less stringent: For many years after shooting from the air was outlawed, anyone with a hunting or trapping license could practice “land and shoot,” provided he or she walked a certain distance from his plane before opening fire. Current rules in Alaska require a delay between landing an aircraft and killing an animal: In most cases, hunters must wait until 3 the following morning before they can get started.
Back in the 1950s, Alaska paid government employees and bounty hunters to take out thousands of wolves, but today’s aerial wolf killers are unpaid. (They can make some money by selling the wolf pelts.) Palin tried last year to have the state pay $150 for every wolf killed, but the state superior court shot that down as an illegal use of bounty payments, which were outlawed in that state in 1984.
http://www.slate.com/id/2199140?nav=wp
The trooper in question made death threats.
Right-wingers make death threats on this blog all the time, and they’re not even banned.
BTW, Franklin, you’re the only one who claims he made “death threats.”
However, Sarah Failin’ did say she never sought to have her ex-bro-in-law fired, which is now known to be a transparent lie. She repeatedly tried to have him fired. And fired the guy who wouldn’t fire him.
If Democrats had searched the country over to find the worst RepubliCON VP, they would have chose Sarah Failin’.
Hurricane Palin
McCain creates a disaster story for the news-starved press.
By Jack Shafer
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 2, 2008, at 5:03 PM ET
Hurricane Palin makes Hurricane Gustav look like a wimp
The news abhors a vacuum. Politicians, public-relations disinformers, media consultants, and other spin artists may think it’s wise to suppress the elemental force that is the news. But when the news breaches the container it’s been stuffed into, mayhem results.
Journalistic mayhem is a fine description for the last couple of days of Sarah Palin coverage. Starved to the point of collapse from the restricted-calorie diet served at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, the press needed a news feast to restore its powers. With the Republicans’ convention lite staring them in the face, the ravenous press corps decided to switch the menu from St. Paul to New Orleans. The evening news anchors—NBC, CBS, ABC—were all defecting to the Gulf Coast over the weekend. But then the press scented the lard-fried Snickers bar that was Palin. Now that Hurricane Gustav has fizzled, there is only one disaster story to cover, and she’s it.
Would the press be tearing into the Palin story with the same passion had the Democratic Convention produced news beyond the Clinton-Obama pissing match? Or had the press not already put itself to sleep producing hundreds of stories speculating on who the veep nominees would be? Or had Gustav turned the Superdome into a giant soup bowl? I think not.
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Thanks to McCain’s miscue, everything the press touches about Palin turns into a scoop: her earmark flip-flops, her political inexperience, her Alaska Independence Party connection, her views on teaching “creationism,” her book-banning phase, plus the “troopergate” scandal, her husband’s ancient DUI, and her pregnant teenage daughter. And the press rampage has only just begun.
The press isn’t retaliating for having been starved. Like an undammed river, it’s merely returning to its original path. Palin and John McCain and the Republicans deserve every column inch, every broadcast second of scrutiny they’re getting. I believe—unlike Barack Obama—that members of a candidate’s family are fair game once a candidate thrusts them onto the public stage—as did Palin when McCain presented her as his pick for vice president in Dayton, Ohio, last Friday. The eagerness with which politicians deploy their children as campaign props stands as an open invitation to the press to write about them. And because kinfolk tend to exploit their familial connections to the executive branch (Donald Nixon, Billy Carter, Roger Clinton), the press will want to keep an eye on Palin’s extended family, too.
The press is merely doing on short notice what the McCain campaign’s vetting team should have done between March—when he clinched the nomination—and now: properly vetting his vice-presidential candidate. Does Palin have what it takes to serve as president? Do any Tom Eagleton- or Spiro Agnew-type skeletons lounge in her closet? Will Joe Biden eat her alive in their vice-presidential debate? Can she subordinate herself to McCain?
Like the Democrats, the Republicans created a news vacuum into which they hoped to insert a mock convention that would rubber-stamp the nominee’s agenda and send happy vibes to the electorate. The Democrats got away with it in Denver, but luck has shone on the news beasts in St. Paul. Even if an asteroid were to blot out New Orleans today, a giant squid were to topple the Golden Gate Bridge tomorrow, and fire ants were to kill every human on Fire Island by the end of Thursday, the biggest story of the week would still be McCain’s cockeyed selection of Palin.
Thanks to McCain’s goof, news will abound for the next three days. It won’t be an open convention, but it will be more open than the Republicans ever anticipated. Reporters will push delegates to defend Palin’s qualifications and the manner in which she was selected. The commentariat will fill the void with jaw music about Palin on every channel. Some Republican looking to make a name for himself (and earn a dagger in the back) may even call for Palin to step down before she’s nominated. This is like a replay of George H.W. Bush’s pick of Dan Quayle for vice president in 1988, only worse!
Until somebody in the press corps with the proper rank sends the McCain campaign a thank-you note for tapping Palin and restoring vitality to the coverage, this column will have to do. Thanks, y’all!
http://www.slate.com/id/2199121/
Amazing vetting work by Linda. (Yes, what a crime, raising the Sales Tax to 2 and 1/2 Percent!)
If only Obama would be vetted so well.
Dang, I keep hearing those yappy little dogs…
Pat Buchanan likes the Palin pick. And he is anything but a toe the line kind of Republican.
McCain Pick is Paying Off Big Time
By Patrick Buchanan
The risk John McCain took last Friday is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his F-16 under the Golden Gate Bridge.
McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his co-pilot was the biggest gamble in presidential history. As of now, it is paying off, big-time.
The sensational selection in Dayton, Ohio, stepped all over the big story from Denver — Barack Obama’s powerful address to 85,000 cheering folks in Mile High Stadium, and 35 million nationally, a speech that vaulted him from a 2-point deficit early in the week to an 8-point margin. Barack had never before reached 49 percent against McCain.
As the Democrats were being rudely stepped on, however, Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, Evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and Right to Lifers not seen in decades.
By passing over his friends Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, and picking Palin, McCain has given himself a fighting chance of winning the White House that, before Friday morning, seemed to be slipping away. Indeed, the bristling reaction on the left testifies to Democratic fears that the choice of Palin could indeed be a game-changer in 2008.
Liberals howl that Palin has no experience, no qualifications to be president of the United States. But the lady has more executive experience than McCain, Joe Biden and Obama put together.
None of them has ever started or run a business as Palin did. None of them has run a giant state like Alaska, which is larger than California and Texas put together. And though Alaska is not populous, Gov. Palin has as many constituents as Nancy Pelosi or Biden.
She has no foreign policy experience, we are told. And though Alaska’s neighbors are Canada and Russia, the point is valid. But from the day she takes office, Palin will get daily briefings and sit on the National Security Council with the president and secretaries of state, treasury and defense.
She will be up to speed in her first year.
And her experience as governor of Alaska, dealing with the oil industry and pipeline agreements with Canada, certainly compares favorably with that of Barack Obama, a community organizer who dealt in the mommy issues of food stamps and rent subsidies.
Where Obama has poodled along with the Daley Machine, Palin routed the Republican establishment, challenging and ousting a sitting GOP governor before defeating a former Democratic governor to become the first female and youngest governor in state history.
For his boldness in choosing Palin, McCain deserves enormous credit. He has made an extraordinary gesture to conservatives and the party base, offering his old antagonists a partner’s share in his presidency. And his decision is likely to be rewarded with a massive and enthusiastic turnout for the McCain-Palin ticket. Rarely has this writer encountered such an outburst of enthusiasm on the right.
In choosing Palin, McCain may also have changed the course of history as much as Ike did with his choice of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan did with his choice of George H.W. Bush. For should this ticket win, Palin will eclipse every other Republican as heir apparent to the presidency and will have her own power base among Lifers, Evangelicals, gun folks and conservatives — wholly independent of President McCain.
A traditional conservative on social issues, Palin has become, overnight, the most priceless political asset the movement has. Look for the neocons to move with all deliberate speed to take her into their camp by pressing upon her advisers and staff, and steering her into the AEI-Weekly Standard-War Party orbit.
Indeed, if McCain defeats Barack, 2012 could see women on both national tickets, and given McCain’s age and the possibility he intends to serve a single term, women at the top of both — Sarah vs. Hillary.
The arrival of Palin on the national scene, with her youth, charisma and vitality, probably also portends a changing of the guard in Washington.
With Republicans having zero chance of capturing either House, and but a slim chance of avoiding losses in both, a Vice President Palin, with her reputation as a rebel and reformer, would surely inspire similar revolts in the Republican caucuses.
As Thomas Jefferson said, from time to time, a little rebellion in the political world is as necessary as storms in the physical.
The Palin nomination could backfire, but it is hard to see how. She has passed her first test, her introduction to the nation, with wit and grace. And the Obama-Biden ticket, having already alienated millions of women with the disrespecting of Hillary, is unlikely to start attacking another woman whose sole offense is that she had just been given the chance to break the glass ceiling at the national level.
Her nomination, which will bring the Republican right home, also frees up McCain to appeal to moderates and liberals, which has long been his stock in trade.
With his selection of Sarah Palin, John McCain has not only shaken up this election, he may have helped shape the future of the United States — and much for the better.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/johnnys_got_a_new_girl.html
I want Palin to challenge OBAMA to a debate, she would destroy him.
So how does it work, Franklin?
Do they pay you by the word or by the number of posts?
Lord knows, you’re not selling many investments these days with this Bush economy . . .
Watch the video. It’s truly priceless.
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/09/tucker-bounds-f.html
There is absolutely no defense for the indefensible! Take lessons. Stay on the offense!
America deserves better.
Palin gets to debate Joe “Pit Bull” Biden.
Yeah. They’ll have to hose down her remains . . .
Palin actually used to be a Steve Forbes supporter, as well.
So was I, at one time.
ST. PAUL, Minn. — Maybe it’s a good thing for Republicans that Hurricane Gustav has abbreviated their convention. On an issue of some concern to Americans — the economy — they seem to have nothing to say.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202442.html?nav=slate
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 3, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink
“GMC70? –
I handed you your ass in the forum so many times they could dust it for prints.
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Monkey must be dreaming. GMC, you remember this? I think Monkey is having another Palin-dream.
In response to the original thread, “is Failin’ taking on too much what with the kids and all?”
Answer: no. She’ll just hire some nanny like rich Repukes always do.
All this lip-flapping from the party of confused values (Dumocrats.)
First, they are against Christians, but gloriously point to the fact that Obama is a Christian that practices the faith and promotes it.
Secondly, they hate that Palin is a working mom. However,they have nothing to say about Obama’s mother-in-law doing all the child rearing in the Obama household, while the career minded mother and father seek their fame and fortune.
Thirdly, they point to experience or lack their of. Obama has zero executive experience. He has never been in charge of a budget or seen through anything that involves manpower and assets. Obama has zero experience in handling tax issues other than legislating more taxes. Obama hasn’t a clue on what it takes to levy or administer said taxes.
Fourthly, Biden’s foreign policy experience. Puhleeze, don’t make me life. Biden has a 100 percent failure rate on foreign policy. He guesses wrongly and I mean that literally exactly opposite of what should be done regarding foreign policy. Biden’s record speaks for itself, he is a foreign policy disaster.
Palin also supported Alaska’s seceding from the union. See the Alaskan Independence Party, in which she and her husband were active members . . .
If Palin was truly qualified she wouldn’t have to be
sold so hard by the Republicans. Everyone including
Cal Thomas has their spin directions,,,she is a maverick, etc etc etc,,,she took on big oil,,. The big question is if she was the nominee do you think
she is qualified to be President? Most rational people would say NO! It apparently was a very quick
and not very investigated decesion by McCain or his
minions. That doesnt show much about his decesion
making. You cant get all that stuff she is supposed to have done in 18 months as a neophyte governor.
Who took care of Biden’s kids?
Who took care of Pelosi’s kids?
Democrats just released Palin’s social security number, home phone number and home address.
Enough is enough.
You’re kidding.
If so, that’s low. And Franklin, “Democrats” didn’t do it; we need not tar all Democrats with the crimes of this specific moron (again, if true). Get specific. Which moonbat did so?
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did some checking. Appears to be true – but SSN is minus last 4 digits. Why release it at all? Why release home phone numbers, if not to harrass?
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OK. Further checking. It appears that the phone numbers released are in the local phone book, so are hardly “private.” Furrher, it is hardly clear that the “Democrats” released this opposition research file; it appears to be some 2 years old, dating to her run for the governorship.
There’s more coming on this. Let’s not jump the gun here, Franklin. Get all the facts. It may be as low as it appears, it may not.
Saying this impersonation of Palin is in bad taste would be one very large understatement. It is funny in a perverse way, though.
http://www.youonmyblog.blogspot.com/
Obama is a neophyte Senator.
Great video, Linda! However, if I were her, I’d never have “given it to him”. I would have finished by pointing out the question hadn’t been answer, either with him still on-air or off.
Regular: So it is “lip-flapping” and not “arm flailing” this time?
But I thought you would be happy. You might want to read Max’s 10:59 column (I wouldn’t consider him a liberal) Max had a good point. If I were you, I would keep the “lip-flapping” and “arm-flailing” going as long as you can.
You see any answers here? I don’t either. They don’t have answers to the questions that should be asked and answered. They CAN defend personal, they can’t defend professional. So, we know our mission. It’s so easy! I’ve even heard “she is a fast learner.” It isn’t quite an admission that she needs to learn, that there are definite holes, but we all hear what isn’t said.
“Nah, she did something that gives a democrap nightmares….
She gave it to the people of alaska.”
so she’s a socialist or commie lite redistribution of capitalist monies to the proletariat.
Oh, Steven, how funny!
And so is the .GIF on the same page of the Dem noms and wives. Had to save that one.
I must say, the actress in the video is prettier than the real thing. :)
“she is a fast learner.”
2 days to learn a speech? (That IS the reason she’s holed up in her hotel room for the past couple of days, right?)
What if the country is attacked while she’s on watch? Do we wait 2 days to find out what’s going on and what we’ll BE doing in response?
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LLTVET
Posted September 3, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink
Regular: So it is “lip-flapping” and not “arm flailing” this time?
But I thought you would be happy. You might want to read Max’s 10:59 column (I wouldn’t consider him a liberal) Max had a good point. If I were you, I would keep the “lip-flapping” and “arm-flailing” going as long as you can.
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It’s not my fault that liberal dumocrats have epileptic appendage movement when it comes to ideological stances.
They are like a dartboard game utilizing jello darts.
“Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
Democrats just released Palin’s social security number, home phone number and home address.
Enough is enough.”
I saw that allegation last night – regular I think – and asked for substantiation. Well, Paul, can you substantiate that claim?
It’s been longer than two days. Has she been seen since Sunday in Mississippi? When I think of the cramming session that must be going on, I get a headache. She is young, and “a fast learner.” ;-)
Where’s my credit card?
Chum for Liberal Sharks
News that Gov. Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant is like chum to liberal sharks. They love nothing more than holding up the mirror to the Republican Party that cornered the market on “family values” and reveling in its real or perceived hypocrisy. If you really want to get them going, just let a known anti-gay Republican get caught en flagrant. A deck of cards filled with such targets of liberal mockery was a big hit in Denver last week.
The “Really Straight Republican Hypocrites Playing Cards” ($8.95 at http://www.gayrepublicancards.com) are the brainchild of Sanjay Bapat and Nathan Moore. I met the 22-year-olds from the University of Texas at Austin when they were hawking the cards outside the Big Tent during the Democratic convention. “They were selling like crazy at the credentials committee meeting today,” Bapat told me. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) bought four decks. His office said he wanted to help the fellas out but didn’t know exactly what the cards were all about.
The deck features 13 Republicans whose male interests made them famous and the hilarious quotes or police report info that dug their holes deeper. Former Rep. Mark Foley (Fl.), who was run out of office after inappropriate instant messages with congressional pages surfaced, is the ace. Former leader of the National Association of Evangelicals Ted Haggard is the Jack. He had a penchant for crystal meth and a certain male prostitute. James Guckert, aka Jeff Gannon, a gay male escort who also once had White House press credentials, is on the 6. And the man who made “I have a wide stance,” the etiquette of bathroom pick-up sex, and the men’s room at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport famous — Sen. Larry Craig (Id.) — graces the King.
Republicans complain when the press reports on — and the left rejoices in — the spectacular moral failings of their wayward brethren. Actually, there’s outright schadenfreude in the snickering from the left. But the Grand Old Party only has itself to blame.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/chum_for_liberal_sharks.html?nav=slate
Sarah Failin’ Scandal D’Jour
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5713866&page=1
Another Controversy for Sarah Palin
Former Police Chief Says He Was Fired for Challenging Palin’s Campaign Contributors
By BRIAN ROSS and JOSEPH RHEE
Sept. 3, 2008
Gov. Sarah Palin is already facing ethical questions over her firing of the Alaska public safety commissioner, and now she faces questions over the firing of a longtime local police chief.
New reports raise questions about the firing of a local police chief.
After taking over as Mayor of the small town of Wasilla, Palin fired the longtime local police chief. The former police chief, Irl Stambaugh says he was fired because he stepped on the toes of Palin’s campaign contributors, including bar owners and the National Rifle Association.
Stambaugh’s lawyer, William Jermain, says the chief tried to move up the closing hours of local bars from 5 a.m. to two a.m. after a spurt of drunk driving accidents and arrests.
“His crackdown on that practice by the bars was not appreciated by her and that was one reason she terminated Irl,” said Jermain.
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Failin also fired a city librarian when the librarian refused to have any part in Failin’s desire to “ban books.”
I kid you not.
“GMC70? –
I handed you your ass in the forum so many times they could dust it for prints.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!
Riiiiiight. Only in your small (and quite sexist) little mind.
I don’t know, Linda. Could be she locked herself in the bathroom. PMS? Maybe a zit?
(Yes, that IS snarking, but I couldn’t resist.)
It looks like GMC70 has, in a post above, raised questions about the allegations, Ben, which comport with what my limited look into the matter has revealed. The telephone number and address are public; there is a partial SSN that has been placed in public; and, it seems, the same information first came out two years ago during her run for Governor. That’s all I am able to say at this point, other than it is far from clear the “Democrats” were responsible.
So tell me Regular. Which ideological stance are we talking about here?
An answer to Linda’s question. I don’t believe it was foreseen, but is now instead being improvised.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-rosen/the-culture-war-option-fo_b_123483.html
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LLTVET
Posted September 3, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
So tell me Regular. Which ideological stance are we talking about here?
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The Liberal Democrat as I already pointed out.
the question posed by this blog is a stupid one to even debate.
She is an adult and can make her own choices. She has a husband at home to do things too. Why should we question their family’s judgement?
Same response if it were Obama.
Man, listen to the yappy little ‘crat dogs.
Arf! She wants to ban books.
Woof! She can’t take care of her family.
Aroof! She fired a police chief for trying to close bars early.
Yip! No, she is a fundy, hates alcohol establishments.
Yap! She raised taxes on those wonderful oil companies.
Bark! She wants Alaska to secede from the U.S.
Rroof! Her daughter is pregnant.
Well, there’s a big difference between Palin’s 4 month old special needs child and Obama’s normal 7 and 10 year olds that are in school. I have a 7 month old child and have had to cut back on many of the extra things that I do to help.
However, I think Palin would receive allot of babysitter help from the Presidential staff and secret service so that her hubby could continue racing snowmobiles in Alaska while she is travelling around the world.
The other question is whether she can handle the job of President if she needed to step in for McCain. Even a healthy 72 year old can get sick. Imagine a heart attack where he needs to take 6-12 monthes off to recuperate. Will Palin be able to handle it while thinking clearly? I doubt it. But, maybe, jus maybe, she can prove us wrong.
I bet she’ll say she can handle it in tonight’s speech and so will McCain in tomorrow night’s speech. It will come down to the voters as to whether they believe that this will seriously be possible. Remember, it is the toughest job in the world and you need a mentally and physically healthy candidate for it.
Good heaven’s, her Social Security Number!
Somebody at State leaked Obama’s passport information and you didn’t hear the Dems whining incessantly about it . . .
But it is a way to divert issues from this catastrophe who walks on high heels.
Somebody wake me up when Franklin runs out of gas… or hydogen, or steam, — whatever it is that keeps him running….
I dont want to watch another day of the Regular / Franklin / GMC show….
So Regular.
The “appendage movements” or “arm flailing” or “lip flapping” (take your pick) are because of the liberal democrats.
That doesn’t make sense. I thought they would be happy with liberal stances.
So what stance, in particular, causes the “appendage movements” or the “arm flailing” or the “lip flapping” from these people?
Thanks avt – Paul? Got PROOF for you claim? LET’S SEE IT!
So what stance, in particular, causes the “appendage movements” or the “arm flailing” or the “lip flapping” from these people?
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An unbalanced stance.
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LLTVET
Posted September 3, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink
So Regular.
The “appendage movements” or “arm flailing” or “lip flapping” (take your pick) are because of the liberal democrats.
That doesn’t make sense. I thought they would be happy with liberal stances.
So what stance, in particular, causes the “appendage movements” or the “arm flailing” or the “lip flapping” from these people?
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Whenever you tire of your mental masturbation exercises, let me know when you want to discuss issues worth discussing.
Paul lies:
“Democrats just released Palin’s social security number, home phone number and home address.
Enough is enough.”
Palin’s address and phone number are known as the governor’s mansion. Big surprise there. As for the social security number, it was never released. Paul has been caught in a lie again.
Whenever you want to actually discuss them rather than just accusing the contrary opinion of “arm flailing” it would be be quite a bit easier.
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LLTVET
Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
Whenever you want to actually discuss them rather than just accusing the contrary opinion of “arm flailing” it would be be quite a bit easier.
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It’s not an opinion, it’s facts based in evidence.
Just look at all of the arm flailing by the Liberal Dumocrats in this topic.
The wind supplied by their flailing could produce energy for the next one hundred years. :D
GOP Co-Chairwomen Jo Ann Davidson Makes A Freudian Slip
September 2, 2008 09:29 PM
A few minutes ago, my inbox began to swell with scuttlebutt from the convention floor, which The Politico’s Jonathan Martin was quick to confirm:
Touting John McCain’s much-buzzed-about new running mate, RNC Co-Chairwoman Jo Ann Davidson got caught up in the moment on the convention stage.
“The next vice president of the United States, Sarah Pawlenty!”
Complete with video!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/gop-co-chairwomen-jo-ann_n_123370.html
Steven, thanks for that link. What I find saddest is how gullible we are, and how easily manipulated. I read the strategies listed and recognized our blog, a micro specimen of what is America.
Nah, Pre, that’s a mistake only made by the “other side.” ;-)
Yip! No, she is a fundy, hates alcohol establishments.
But she did love that weed and admits she did more than not inhale. Hey, it was legal in AK at the time!
Great Regular. Now we are getting somewhere. Why not share some of these so called “facts”
Linda. In my opinion, you democrats are making too much of Sarah Palin. You have too many issues that you could win the election on. Even if you conceed experience. This misdirection only hurts the democratic party.
Libs
Some of you were sticking up for the protestors, at the Republican Convention.
What do you think about them now?
http://www.twincities.com/ci_10365754
You’re right, LLTVET. I do know personal attacks on any candidate have a greater potential for backfiring. I’ve also learned there is no one who has the answers to the questions we should be asking. And we’re all being played, but aren’t making pleasant music.
What direction do you think should be taken? What emphasized? What tactics do you recommend?
I’m still buoyed by the polls which show Obama ahead (ALL of them!). I won’t quit! It really is too important to me. If everything else were taken off the table, there are two and maybe three SCOTUS appointments possible. Those are lifetime positions that will last longer than whoever is elected POTUS this fall.
ben
The Politico has reported that the Alaska Democrat Party released private information, including addresses and phone numbers and most of her Social Security number.
Obama tries to get adversisers to cut off advertising on talk shows he does not like.
Obama tries to prevent access to public records.
Obama is not, exactly, pro 1st Amendment!
One more question. Is there really such a person as the undecided voter?
sarah palin when she was a sportscaster talking about dogs arf arf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9HkNkS3jUQ
Well Linda, the issues seem to be: Experience in Foreign; Experience in Economics; Experience in Military; Change (for this election); values; taxes; health care(for this election). I might have missed a few.
If you want my advise. Just stop talking about her. Maybe talk about some of those issues listed above or others that you feel strongly about.
It is really, really childish how fast you Democrats come up with your “liar liar pants on fire” retort.
It is not as if I have crafted the “document dump” by the Alaska Democrats out of whole cloth.
Argue with the Politico.
Right here Linda. I still don’t like either Obama nor McCain. I used to like both of them. But the base of both parties are still too spoiled. I would be thrilled to be able to vote something other than libertarian without throwing up.
OK my last offering for today >>>>
“Heads up everyone – Rush has just declared that the attack on Sarah Palin by the “Left” is an attack on God. (???!!!) His toxic tank is full today and he is spewing his poison at an alarming pace. Trying to ratchet up the outrage for the religeous right to come out in droves.”
[From Steven's link upthread]
No comment here…. :roll:
“Arf! She wants to ban books.”
Do you find the banning of books by a government official to be funny outlander?
I know why.
Palin’s one of “yours”.
You once told me that you use the nic outlander to constantly remind yourself that you are not of this world, but the “next”.
Sarah Palin is likely coming from a similar thinking when she tries to ban books she does not like.
Please, go to, or back to your “next” world and take this dangerous woman with you.
LLTVET,
Those are some of the issues we’ve been posting about, it’s just been centered on Gov. Palin for the moment.
Right on cue, McCain is going with the “Palin Plan”.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13107.html
I could not find any mention of the Palin personal information being released by democrats on politico.com – their search engine is down, though.
I’ve been asking questions about the issues all morning. No answers. No one seems interested. Guess we get what we deserve.
Heads up everyone – Rush has just declared that the attack on Sarah Palin by the “Left” is an attack on God.
Her nomination is an attack on God.
Pre: Isn’t it peculiar how that seems to happen. LOL. Ok Square. I am by NO MEANS a flush lardass fan. But I am going to need proof on that claim. Will you give me the time on that link?
I dont see it square. I just see the one for McCain.
Joe Lieberman with Andrea Mitchell –
Mitchell: Do you feel Sarah Palin is qualified to be commander-in-chief if, God forbid, something should happen to John McCain?
Lieberman: Well, you know….let’s assume the best. John’s in great shape, he’s gonna be the president and let’s assume that nothing bad will happen.
Helluva endorsement from McCoot’s BFF.
Steven,
In reply to the link you posted (and it’s right in the article, if anyone cares to look) is:
Eventually, though, the tough questions about Palin will have to be resolved and the water-muddying will run its course.
“The risk is that media bashing doesn’t address the charges about Palin, and won’t convince anyone but true believers,” Schier said.
Obama had some nice things to say about Palin’s pipeline deal, back in early August:
http://alaskademocrats.org/index.php?page=news&full=667
“Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
ben
The Politico has reported that the Alaska Democrat Party released private information, including addresses and phone numbers and most of her Social Security number.”
Link? PROOF it came from Democrats.
If someone released her SSN it is reprehensible,
Bluejay- “Sarah Palin is likely coming from a similar thinking when she tries to ban books she does not like.”
The SKY is falling! The SKY is falling!!
Hey moron, why can’t I get playboy at the library….
Some mean old republican “ban” it?
“A mooseburger means she is like one of us.”
There you go, Linda, a reason to change your vote. From the link at my 12:30 pm post. :)
Monkey
You must be wishing for something bad to happen to Obama —
Since Biden would be better than Obama.
Here VET — Scroll down to the “comments”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-rosen/the-culture-war-option-fo_b_123483.html
Let the “water-muddying” cease. The Democratic Party has much more and when we move beyond and the Republicans are left with their taunts that are ignored as our legit questions are ignored it will be quite obvious.
Ah, I feel better!
There’s not much that can be done Linda. I used to think that Jerry Springer was fake (like the WWF) now, well, maybe I gave too much credit as to the intelligence of the typical american.
“I have had enough of Hussein” is just an exteme example. LOL
Remember McCain’s campaign manager has said that this campaign can’t be about issues.
Ben
this is what “Drudge Retort” says:
http://www.drudge.com/news/111838/palins-ss-released-opposition-research
I must admit that I read it elsewhere, first — but trying to find stuff with the name “Palin” in it is now very easy —
Finding what you read before, to read again, is kind of hard.
this campaign can’t be about issues.
Because they are too close to compare. Both want large government and even larger government spending.
If McCain runs advertising showing that Palin is more “change” than Obama — and showing that Palin has more experience than Obama — lol
Who is “OOHRAH”? So, Paul, you post a blog entry from an anonymous source as your “proof”
Pre,
I think I would agree with the politico.com point about the waters clearing except for the fact that W. and Rove showed us that waters can be continually muddied and no one is the wiser. And if the waters become too clear, you can always continue to repeat your lies ad nauseum. Your base will view your detachment from reality as a character strength. With your base satisfied, those who can discern reality will avoid you due to your scariness.
Wish I was making this up, but I am not. You just can’t make this stuff up…
A comment from a blog on Drudge? That was posted last night, Franklin. There’s been other information since then that goes into more detail.
Obama does not want the campaign to be about issues.
Obama is the most liberal nominee of the Democrat party in history.
Probably correct, Sol.
For me, it comes down to NOT wanting our Constitution changed to more reflect the Bible, and wanting a “balance” maintained on judicial appointments.
I have to disagree on one stipulation Sol. They aren’t too close to compare.
But you are right. They BOTH want large government and larger government spending.
Lindastinks55- “as our legit questions”
example:”Is Palin taking on too much?”
HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
I’m right there with you Linda. Obama had a good chance until he decided to ENHANCE the faith based initiative. No ENHANCING at all. Get rid of it completely.
biased1 — this thread moved well beyond the thread topic several hours ago. You are welcome to answer any one or more of the legit questions posted since. Do you have some answers?
Rush is going to get Sarah Palin signed up for “LifeLock” to protect her credit files.
He just said so, on air.
Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
If McCain runs advertising showing that Palin is more “change” than Obama — and showing that Palin has more experience than Obama — lol
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Paul, he has already started that. Predicting the past is not very impressive, btw.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13111.html
Yeah, well, there’s campaigning and there’s governing.
Just like the Republicans have proven superior at getting elected, so have the Democrats proven superior at the governing.
Maybe Rush is the anonymous blogger on Drudge. I heard that Rush is the one who revealed her SSN.
Pretty funny to see the McCain campaign go into full pushback mode so they can paint Palin as the victim of some (liberal) media frenzy. And, of course, they’re trying to paint this self-inflicted wound by themselves in the same colors as the sexist treatment of Hillary Clinton by corporate media.
Problem is, though, that the John McCain himself gleefully participated in the media pile-on of Hillary Clinton (”how do we beat the bitch,” anyone?). This tends to undercut his attempt to gather a multitude of angry women around supposed victim Sarah Palin–who, herself, referred to Hillary Clinton as a “whiner.”
Here’s McCain, by the way, answering the “beat the bitch” question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o
Repubicans, of course, will try to have this both ways: Hillary is a bitch, while Palin is a victim. As we know, they would be nothing without doublethink.
But their VP candidate’s refusal to field friendly questions from PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY raises the suspicion that it isn’t hostile media that has the McCain campaign scared: it’s the idea of their VP pick in front of a microphone without a teleprompter. What WILL she say?
And the true issue, the one all the CONs try to deflect with spurious accusations and straw man arguments is this:
How does John McCoot make decisions?
He’s known since February he was gonna have to pick a running mate by Labor Day. He didn’t send his staff to vet his ultimate choice in Alaska until LAST WEDNESDAY!
What, is he going after the slovenly college student vote?
Don’t do your homework ’til the night before it’s due!
“I’m John McCain and I approve of this message.”
I loved “GMC70s” attempt to spin the “It’s not that important a job anyway,so she’s qualified” argument.
And “Franklin’s” getting so desperate recycling lies we’re due to get a return to the “Obama is 44% Iranian” meme.
I’m told “biased1″ was making a thinly-veiled racist comment with his “Curious George” posts, but that can’t be true or else “GMC70″ would have expressed outrage.
Wow if Rush does that, that would be a campaign donation…. I hope somebody makes him report it… LOL
Ok
So the left makes the “case” that they do not think Palin is ready.
Then?
Obama runs empty commercials about “change” and “hope” for two months?
IF you put experience front and center, it hurts Obama, not McCain.
EMPTYNESS!
http://www.the-earchives.com/earframe.asp?q=actor&s=James%20Earl%20Jones
Franklin,
“Obama does not want the campaign to be about issues.”
I believe you are confused: that would be the McCain campaign. Here’s their manager:
“McCain Campaign Manager Rick Davis: ‘This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.’”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2008_08_31.php
“Obama is the most liberal nominee of the Democrat party in history.”
Really. More liberal than LBJ and the Great Society? More liberal than George McGovern? More liberal than Franklin Roosevelt?
For what it’s worth, here’s a current ranking of the Presidential candidates “liberalism” and “conservatism.”
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/06/liberal-conservative-rankings-done.html
I know that in your world, Franklin, the sky really IS falling. But do try to cut down on the patently absurd nonsense; it just makes you look more stupid.
Oh, and Franklin? It’s “Democratic.” I know you’re trying to be petty by taking off the “-ic,” but I really AM trying to help you look like less of a horse’s ass.
Let’s lighten the mood here a bit. Something funny, I don’t care which side of the aisle you’re on:
“I’m the freaking Governor of Alaska. I didn’t get there by just eating mooseburgers and popping out kids.”
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/09/im-freaking-governor-of-alaska-i-didnt.html
Very funny video.
Enjoy. And then let’s listen to the speech tonight, and make up our minds.
Ben
It happened.
It is out there. I am done searching. Way too much stuff on the internet.
Ordinarily, many places ask for the “last 4″ of your social.
The last 4 numbers are, therefore, the least secure.
It seems the Alaska Dems releases “all but the last 4″ which would be too cute by half.
bth
Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
Maybe Rush is the anonymous blogger on Drudge. I heard that Rush is the one who revealed her SSN.
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I hope you are better at “science”.
How are the Dems governing in Detroit?
Rush is going to get Sarah Palin signed up for “LifeLock” to protect her credit files.
He just said so, on air.
By the way
I linked Drudge RETORT, not Drudge Report, upthread.
“When I am gone you will have never been”
“Who will not face EMPTYYYNESSS!”
“I am the wellspring from which you flow”
“What would you world be, without me?”
I think Obama has taken his character from James Earl Jones “Thulsa Doom” — an old Conan movie.
http://www.the-earchives.com/earframe.asp?q=actor&s=James%20Earl%20Jones
Thanks Paul for admitting you have no proof for your allegation.
ANTI – depends on whether I’m writing for JIR.
Monkeyhawk
Consider “Kandisue’s” highly pertinent –
“Where is the question on whether Michele Obama has killed or not killed a child through abortion?
we need to know this.”
It’s the sexist Republic Party CONs who are trying to make this issue gynecological instead of governmental.”
Killing a baby is now a gynecological decesion made by those without morals?
Murder is gynecological?
Jewish Institute of Religion?
Japan Internet Report?
Journal of Industrial Relations?
Jane’s Intelligence Review?
Journal of Intergenerational Relationships?
When Paul is screeching about Palin being more qualified than Obama, these are the reasons he is thinking of:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-grahamesmith/8-reasons-sarah-palin-is_b_123294.html
http://www.jir.com/
Very funny video, GMC. :)
I was chuckling, then laughing out loud when I read this:
That was great! Conservatives have such a fantastic sense of humor. Democrats, not so much.
Have you seen the new JibJab? This time Bill gets it with a frying pan. LOL The funniest part in “This Land” is when Hillary slaps him. I still go back to watch it and laugh.
See, I can laugh at both sides.
Thanks Ben. Norm Sperling looks like an interesting cat.
Biden’s 21 year old daughter arrested outside a Chicago bar. Read the story here. I wonder how play this will get with the lib newspapers?
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/aug/04/nation/na-briefs4.1
Palin was a political pick. McCain was getting zero press and Obama just delivered one hell of a speech. Didn’t agree with a lot of what he said, but the man can deliver a speech.
To counter, McCain needed to pop the Obama bubble. He did so by announcing Palin. McCain needed press coverage. He knocked that one out of the park with Palin.
Long and short, McCain did what he set out to do. Look at the thread count for the Palin threads. Anyone remember what Barak even looks like anymore? All eyes are on the GOP.
Ben
Dont be such an ass.
You accused me of making it up.
I proved to you that the issue is being discussed.
Then, you jump on me for having “no proof”—
You are petty.
WAH! I just asked you to prove your allegation. You failed to do so. I don’t know that I claimed that YOU made it up – just that it wasn’t proven.
I’m still waiting for something showing that Democrats did it.
You are both petty and an ass.
From the Biden daughter’s arrest.
calling it a private, family matter.
But a pregnancy isn’t? Hmmmmm.
I linked Drudge RETORT, not Drudge Report, upthread.
My mistake. Mea culpa.
“Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
Democrats just released Palin’s social security number, home phone number and home address.
Enough is enough.”
I notice it didn’t say “I heard a rumor that … “
Politico was mentioned, in the drudge RETORT post I gave you.
Politico claims they got the Palin personal info from the Alaska Democrat Party.
lmao! GMC, funny video!
Sarah Palin negotiated a contract with a foreign govenrment, and with Exxon.
Sarah has more REAL experience than Biden OR Obama.
Biden had to quit his Presidential race, TWICE, due to his plagerism.
Obama copies his speeches too.
As Hillary says, “This isn’t change you can believe in, this is change you can XEROX!”
Sol,
One slight difference.
McCain and Palin made Bristol’s pregnancy public. It was poorly presented, thus the questions, some complete with jabs.
I’m sure the CON blogs are ripping Miss Biden apart as I type.
And I haven’t heard Biden or Obama remarking on Miss Palin’s pregnancy, except to say family matters are private.
Monkeyboy- “I’m told “biased1? was making a thinly-veiled racist comment with his “Curious George” posts, but that can’t be true or else “GMC70? would have expressed outrage.”
Nothing racist about it, as I explained, I’ve been listening and seeing GWB bashed as the shrub, the chimp etc. for the last 8 years, is that considered “racists?” I thought it more than funny now that your candidate actually looks more like a chimp than W. Race had nothing to do with it.
http://kd4dcy.net/public-html/george-obama.jpg
heh, heh….
All DRUDGE had was a blog post from “OOHRAH” making the claim. Nothing from Politico – only “OOHRAH”s unsubstantiated claim.
MH –
That’s an interesting question. How does McCain make decisions?
My suspicion is that, no Palin wasn’t on the MSM radar until recently. But she has been on the radar for conservatives for quite some time, so the kind of “vetting” you’re concerned about was largely already done.
The interesting question is, why Palin? It’s a political choice, no question. VP always is. I think McCain knew that the “expected” pick, the non-surprise, would end in his defeat. And he wants to win.
So he swung for the fences. And at least initially, he the ball hard; time will tell if it’s a home run or just a loud out. He cut into Obama’s post-speech buzz, for one. He also got a pick that his party’s base, who’s always been lukewarm for him at best, likes. I can tell you that a base that had been prepared to hold their nose and vote for McCain as a vote against Obama is now more energized and willing to go to work. That means votes.
He also hoped to cut into the Ron Paul libertarians, as Palin has strong libertarian leanings, and McCain hopes to draw some of those disaffected folks back.
Third: NRA member, hunter, mom of five, hockey mom. Appeals to blue collar, middle of the road types. While males. Doesn’t hurt that she’s a looker.
Finally, yes, a woman on the ticket may draw some of the women so disaffected with Obama due to Hillary’s snubbing to McCain.
In other words, politically, a risky choice, but one with potentially large rewards. But in this year, McCain had to take somewhat of a gamble.
Qualified? Well, if Obama is the standard, it’s a low bar this year. We haven’t seen a resume this paper-thin in over a century. She beats him on that score; she’s actually governed something.
And yes, governing means that from time to time you’ll pick up some enemies. I’m not particularly concerned with the kerfluffles dug up out of Alaska. If she never pissed anyone off, she’s not doing her job. That’s life.
I’m just impressed, MH, that you’ve dropped the “GILF” reference. You might show signs of growing up. Maybe.
And yes, I saw “biased1″’s post. Came very close to writing something, but I don’t know if there was racist intent there or just a REALLY bad choice of words. So I let it go. And so did he. Thankfully.
Reliable source …
http://www.drudge.com/user/OohRah
Predestined
Posted September 3, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink
Yip! No, she is a fundy, hates alcohol establishments.
But she did love that weed and admits she did more than not inhale. Hey, it was legal in AK at the time!
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But didn’t Obama tell everyone in his book he had done the same> He aslo used Cocaine and other much similar serious drugs and the use of any of it was totally ILLEGAL at the time.
No way, no how, no McCain.
With this from the hip, clearly unvetted choice, McCain has demonstrated an alarming lack of consideration and judgement.
He is clearly not qualified to be President of the United States. Indeed, I question if he should even be in government.
And his choice? She clearly demonstrates that there are still dangerous people in this country. They need chased back up the steps of their churches and kept there.
BlueJay for Obama in ‘08! Didn’t you forget Obama hates your son BlueJay?
Bluejay also forgot that Obama crapped all over his main squeeze, the Hildebeast.
Interesting poll #’s and other info.
‘Sarah Palin has women deserting Republican camp’
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24291632-5012748,00.html
The Democrat Party, in Alaska, no less, was aware that Palin was on the short list since early August.
A posted link, above, showing how the Alaska Democrats AND Obama were happy with the pipeline deal, mentions this fact as well.
bth
“Reliable source …
http://www.drudge.com/user/OohRah”
A side of Obama I was’t aware of. Maybe I’ve been wrong about him -
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=QnxFrORjuWs
Obama campaign tries to shut down a radio show! Yah, real “free speech” advocate, that Obama!:
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
But didn’t Obama tell everyone in his book he had done the same
Yes, he did. So I say both of them were smart to say so. I just wanted to make sure everyone could mark it on their little charts.
Did drugs: Obama (check) Palin (check)
As for your comment that Obama did worse, don’t you all always say that weed is a gateway drug?
Obama was not vetted.
You said so yourself, remember?
don’t you all always say that weed is a gateway drug?
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Gateway to the 7-11 junk food isle.
Free speech?
Palin FIRED a librarian for daring to disagree with her.
The librarian would tolerate none of Palin’s book banning.
Banning BOOKS?
This cupcake is straight out of the McCarthy era.
Sadly? There are no small number of thugs calling themselves “Americans” to who this is a GOOD thing.
“Palin has acknowledged smoking marijuana in the past. In a 2006 interview she said: “I can’t claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled.” ”
I always figured fomer Gov Jerry Brown of CA (’Gov Moonbeam’) never EXHALED!
:)
ANTI
Posted September 3, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
don’t you all always say that weed is a gateway drug?
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Gateway to the 7-11 junk food isle.
So true!
:)
It’s up to the public to ‘vet’ a candidate. Unfortunately this election looks to be like a High School class election popularity contest.
For the record, Obama admitted to “experimenting with drugs.” Considering his age and what was popular in the early 80’s (sniffffff)its not a huge stretch to say it was more than pot as well.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/obama-admits-experimenting-with-drugs-and-alcohol-in-school_1006082.html
And the only thing I’ve ever seen a pot head kill is a pizza. Or a bag of oreos.
I wish the author had posted a name so I could give proper credit.
Here are the words of another mother to a Down syndrome child.
“Why having a Down Syndrome child makes Sarah Palin unfit to be GOP Veep
Does the title of this post seem a bit harsh, a bit discriminatory, a bit unfair? It should, but it was the first thing I thought of when, in presenting her creds to be the evengelical right’s standard bearer and heir to the Hillary votes (in your dreams, GOP, women are smarter than that)one of the reasons was because she knowingly gave birth to a Down Syndrome child. You see, I also have a Down Syndrome child – my child and always my child although she just turned 30 – and I credit having Kriista with altering my political beliefs.
When Kriista was born, I was an ardent libertarian. And suddenly, I needed the social net I abhorred. I needed the support of a group of parents, all of us coping with a sudden revelation that our lives had inexorably changed. Later, I needed the public school system I’d condemned – because the private schools that educate handicapped children are few and far between and way beyond my means. I needed the government sponsored programs for early intervention to increase her motor skills. I needed the transportation services that were provided along with that program because I had to work to help support her and her sister and to give my family the added security of two parents with employer-sponsored healthcare. All my late-night visits to the local children’s hospital ER with a seriously feverish child in my arms convinced me of this but also put me in a waiting room with other parents with similar problems. This convinced me of the need for universal health care for all those other parents who did not have the benefit of an insurance card. A few years after birth, Kriista lost her hearing and suddenly she needed even more help.
Everything I have read about Sarah Palin says she is a ethical public servant. It is her philosophy that frightens me. She does not believe in same-sex “civil marriage,” and many do not. But she also does not believe in some semblance of rights for gays when all indications are that gays are born gay. Could we see a bit of empathy and understanding from a woman who may one day need to fight for civil rights for her child? She does not believe in global warming even as the Alaskan permafrost melts and releases methane into the atmosphere and threatens the future of her children and children everywhere. I am not sure about her education planks but, good conservative that she is, I would guess she is not in favor of increased public funding and mandated services, either.
But her son is only a few months old. Maybe my reality has not had time to set in for her. After all, she has a damn fine job and probably live-in child care. She never has to worry about the cost of a sudden infection, a bout of pneumonia or congestive heart failure. She doesn’t have to worry that going to sit beside the bed of a sick child will lead to the loss of her job, and then her son’s doctor. I pray her philosophy changes. I fear it never will. “
Why Obama can’t close the deal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122039919493892941.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
Sorry Ben, but I have to call Plaigerism on you (even though it wasn’t technically in writing the first time)
When (hats off) Johnny Carson, the Real host of the tonight show, pulled that one out against Robin Williams, it demands a high degree of respect.
Respect the Carson Ben. Besides, as monkey put so eloquently. All of us libertarians are middle aged IT cranks who hate taxes and smoke weed.
Next time, please remember to give (hats off) Johnny Carson his just dues.
So are those conservatives going to tell me that from now on, full support of women’s rights in the workplace will be given? Will you support equal pay acts and equal rights amendment that give women a basis to sue for discrimination? Will there be NO MORE discussion on a woman’s role in the family- that it can be defined by the family itself?
Liberals have championed the day a woman could go forth like Sarah has. It just so happens the very policies she is opposed to- are the very ones that she is benefitting from today.
Sarah SHOULD give kudos and respect to Hillary and the feminists before her who have worked to make this day happen. Unfortunately, she’ll do everything she can with that to undermind the advances we have made.
She absolutely rejects that economics and children and choice have anything to do with this matter- because it has never been an issue for her. Perhaps that is why she needs to lose- so she will know- that the decision to keep a child, to have a family does come with sacrifice. Perhaps she needs to lose something in order to know what real women have to face.
She’s never been sick, she’s never had to worry about her own life being in danger carrying a pregnancy- she’s never had to worry about who will care for her children while she earns the money. But still rejects those notions as irrelevant.
BJ
HUH?
So, if you find ONE mother of a Down Syndrome child who does not support Palin, that proves something?
So what?
She does not connect the dots, very well, by the way.
She does not say exactly why she thinks Palin is “not qualified” — she simply states her policy differnces — that is NOT the same thing.
And the only thing I’ve ever seen a pot head kill is a pizza. Or a bag of oreos.
Smores …
Rocky Road ice cream …
Liberals have championed the day a woman
It seems liberals like to group people. Pretty sad in this day and age.
Libertarians? Not so much. We are all Americans. Isn’t that what we are supposed to strive for? Equality? Why would you pigeon hole people into groups?
Friend in college used to take two frozen pizzas, put them on top of each other like a sandwich, and eat the whole thing.
He washed it down with a diet coke, so it was ok!
Sol
In all fairness, there is quite a bit of “pigeon holing” on this Blog, and on this thread.
Most of it, IMO, comes from the left, towards those on the right.
bth
Posted September 3, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
And the only thing I’ve ever seen a pot head kill is a pizza. Or a bag of oreos.
Smores …
Rocky Road ice cream
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Pretty much explains your glazed over eyes and your girth eh Ben? :D
And the only thing I’ve ever seen a pot head kill is
Maaaaan, Snickers bars. You can taste every damn layer !!!!
BlueJay- I guess I’m not the only liberal special needs mom who has the very same feelings. Wow. I almost posted the same kind of thing.
I do not see her as a peer nor an advocate in any way, shape or form. I see her as one who got hers, and to hell with the rest.
“But didn’t Obama tell everyone in his book he had done the same> He aslo used Cocaine and other much similar serious drugs and the use of any of it was totally ILLEGAL at the time.”
At least they both able to relate to most of the rest of the US population in those regards.
I, I mean a friend of mine used to fashion unnecessary items from wood or metal to fix non-existing problems.
#
ANTI
Posted September 3, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
I, I mean a friend of mine used to fashion unnecessary items from wood or metal to fix non-existing problems.
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He used wooden clothes pin pulley door opening systems too!!???!!!
“Franklin” –
For nearly two years Obama vetted, interviewed, attacked, debated, questioned, cross-examined, analyzed, reviewed, VOTED for (and against), second-guessed, analyzed, criticized, praised, panned, denigrated, second-guessed, inspected, detected and, ultimately, selected.
The “Trophy Veep” was merely selected. By a grumpy old Fred Mertz look-alike who could’ve really hit one outta the park maverick-wise by taking control of his campaign and choosing his BFF Joe Lieberman as his running mate.
He’d met her twice, vetted her on Wednesday, and on Thursday determined she was the second-best person on the planet to lead the Free World.
Experience isn’t a virtue if you’re consistently wrong.
Well let’s us talk about one mother Franklin paulie.
Sarah Palin made a decision to bring a Down syndrome child into this world.
But the only reason why she gets to be a hero for this? And they DID from the get go use this to show just how high and mighty noble Sarah Palin is.
Sarah Palin had a choice. If the world were as SHE wills it, she would not have had that choice. And so, no claim on nobility.
Sarah Palin favors making abortion illegal even in cases of RAPE.
The choice SHE is such a hero for, she would deny other women. She would FORCE them to “do the right thing”.
The right thing, according to Sarah Palin.
That is ONE mother making a decision for untold numbers of other mothers. Most of them not nearly as well off as her high and haughty self.
Im getting hungry reading this thread. :)
See you all around 4:20.
“Mr_Kia
Posted September 3, 2008 at 2:54 pm | Permalink
Im getting hungry reading this thread.
See you all around 4:20″
Are we meeting at the Palin’s house again?
Are we meeting at the Palin’s house again?
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She has the nicest cupcakes around!
I don’t think any of us can know why Sarah Palin chose not to abort. Maybe she was sticking to her convictions. There are a lot of women out there of every political persuassion who have made the same choice. It has nothing to do with politics for them. It’s a personal choice.
I’d like to keep it a choice.
“I’d like to keep it a choice.”
So would I. It is not a choice I would presume to make for others.
Just where does conservatism stop and liberalism begin?
Legislating that such an intimate, personal, decision is the playground of the state?
Palin’s vetting…
The campaign describes a process that left no proverbial stone unturned, with lawyers and investigators taking months to scour matters including Palin’s credit history and the formal complaints that citizens lodged against her as mayor of Wasilla and, for the last 21 months, as Alaska’s governor. Breaking two days of silence, McCain told reporters Tuesday in Pennsylvania, “The vetting process was completely thorough, and I’m grateful for the results.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-vetting3-2008sep03,0,6772152.story
BJ
BEFORE any of you knew about the pregnant teenager, some sick jerks on Daily Kos had already made the false charge that Sarah was the Grandmother of the Down Syndrom child, rather than the mother.
The release of the current pregnancy issue, in many ways, killed the false speculation concerning the Down Syndrom child.
Now, I do recall that many sickos on this very Blog were picking up the false “grandmother” trash, last week.
You were wrong.
“including Palin’s credit history ”
Maybe that is where her SSN got released.
P Mom, you speak as though you personally know Sarah Palin. You have accused her of views which may not be hers. Are you prejudiced?
Give her a chance to state her own views.
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink
“I’d like to keep it a choice.”
So would I.
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Pull out.
“Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
BJ
BEFORE any of you knew about the pregnant teenager, some sick jerks on Daily Kos had already made the false charge that Sarah was the Grandmother of the Down Syndrom child, rather than the mother.”
hmmm… I have known a few actual people who in less public circumstances, with less reason to do so, have raised a pregnant teens child as their own.
I am not speculating here, but were I McCain, I would get some blood tests done (the truth always comes out in the end, and it would be easier now)
I think I’m starting to get Palin fatigue. In fact she isn’t looking nearly as attractive as when she was selected.
Please do not cry to me, cons, that Sarah is having a rough go.
Senator Hillary Clinton was dragged through broken glass by you people for these last 18 years.
I don’t think lil Sarah can take it. A little back at you all for what you’ve done?
brian
It is crap.
Secondly, it is not possible.
Check the calendar.
Third, it is none of your business.
Privacy only counts when you KILL the baby, I guess.
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink
Please do not cry to me, cons
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That’s cute, it almost seems like you think you are important.
I doubt Palin really had a choice in the matter, she had made her career partially on being the voice of pro-life, so her career would’ve been at severe risk if she’d not carried (assuming it’s hers) the child to birth.
Now if she’d just been a private individual, and made the same decision there wouldn’t be any doubt as to her motive.
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink
Please do not cry to me, cons, that Sarah is having a rough go.
Senator Hillary Clinton was dragged through broken glass by you people for these last 18 years.
I don’t think lil Sarah can take it. A little back at you all for what you’ve done?
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I’d challenge anyone outside of Arkansas to say they knew WHO Hillary Clinton was in 1990.
“All you’ve done”??
Hillary seems to be doing just fine.
Paul,
Did you read about the circumstances of Palin going into labor in Texas; she did not seek hospital care in that state; she flew to Seattle; flew on the Anchorage; and then had her husband drive her to their hometown hospital. I guess if you have enough kids you don’t get anxious over it so much, but the story seemed really odd and helped fuel the Bristle rumor.
Back to the suggested topic of this thread, this article spells out the challenges. WOW! Those are some big shoes for her to fill.
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Over the next months, and all at once, a list of the things she’ll need to deal with:
* her continuing duties as governor of Alaska
* a legislature-funded investigation into questions of whether she has abused her office in a vendetta against her former brother-in-law, a probe that prompted her to hire a personal attorney
* the care of her fifth child, Trig, born this spring with Down syndrome—a condition that requires close parental attention and care, especially in the first year of the child’s life
* the pregnancy and pending marriage of her teenage daughter Bristol, who is planning to wed the father before Election Day
* learning the routines and rituals of the national campaign trail, which she will be required to traverse on her own plane, with her own staff
* getting a sense of the Lower 48 states, most of which she has never visited
* figuring out how to deal with McCain, whom she barely knows
* handling whatever national press interviews the McCain campaign allows her to do—and she will have to do some to prepare herself for later events
* prep for the nationally televised vice-presidential debate with Sen. Joe Biden, a legislator with 36 years of seniority, who is personally acquainted with the rulers of nations Palin may never have even heard of
At first glance, this is a little like dropping Peter Pan into the middle of Anbar province. On the other hand, former senator Fred Thompson pointed out last night that Palin may be the only national candidate in history who knows how to field-dress a moose.
It’s hard to see how that skill will translate into politics, but we are about to find out.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156949/page/2
I think she may have been hitting those moose burgers a little too hard. Maybe campaigning will lean her out!
Doesn’t sound like you have much confidence in working mother’s Linda?
Sarah sounds like a true Alaskan.
She could probably handle it all by herself, if she had to. I am thinking she wanted an Alaskan birth certificate.
Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
Sarah sounds like a true Alaskan.
She could probably handle it all by herself, if she had to. I am thinking she wanted an Alaskan birth certificate.
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Possibly.
I’m of the belief that in giving birth to a child you know already has a birth defect that you want your own physician handling the delivery that has counseled you since day one.
Doesn’t sound unusual at all to me.
BlueJay
Here are the words of another mother to a Down syndrome child.
“Why having a Down Syndrome child makes Sarah Palin unfit to be GOP Veep”
Because the left who loves to kill children with Down Syndrome hates somebody who didn’t do it.
That’s why according to the left she is unfit. She’s unfit because Palin makes the liberal feel dirty.
I mean really how many women on the left have killed a child with a disability?
“Secondly, it is not possible.
Check the calendar.”
Not necessarily. How do we know that Bristol is FIVE months along? How about three? Then it becomes possible.
lindainks55
“* the care of her fifth child, Trig, born this spring with Down syndrome—a condition that requires close parental attention and care, especially in the first year of the child’s life”.
You base this statement on what? Admit it you pulled this one out of your butt didn’t you? Tell us exactly what your expertise is on Down Syndrome.
Be careful – not everybody is ignorant on Downs.
The speculation, itself, is sick.
You dont get it do you?
It was a classless, assinine thing to say, in the first place, and you keep bringing it up.
Which proves my point:
You would not allow Palin to keep her family life private, so they had to make it public, to correct the errors.
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink
Please do not cry to me, cons, that Sarah is having a rough go.
Senator Hillary Clinton was dragged through broken glass by you people for these last 18 years.
I don’t think lil Sarah can take it. A little back at you all for what you’ve done?
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Hillary Clinton is where she is today because of her man.
Sarah Palin made it herself.
“You would not allow Palin to keep her family life private, so they had to make it public, to correct the errors.”
All I did was note that what you said was impossible isn’t necessarily so.
Paul – you thought it was great fun to make jokes abuot a 13-year-old; now you whine about ‘class’. Pot, meet kettle.
BlueJay
“Sarah Palin made a decision to bring a Down syndrome child into this world.
But the only reason why she gets to be a hero for this?”
For some reason I’m not getting the feeling that the baby killing crowd really thinks that she is a hero.
You’re kidding us aren’t you?
Apparently some problems with reading comprehension for you there Kandisue.
The piece I posted was from the mother of a 30 year old Down syndrome …child?
This would mean that mother made the same choice Sarah Palin did.
With one exception. As there was no testing at that time, she had to make the decision after the damaged child was born.
That mother simply knows that Sarah Palin will not live the same reality that she did.
bth
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
“Secondly, it is not possible.
Check the calendar.”
Not necessarily. How do we know that Bristol is FIVE months along? How about three? Then it becomes possible.
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Can we talk about the Kennedy Assination and Moon Landing while we are at it?
Hillary Clinton is where she is today because of her man.
Sarah Palin made it herself.
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Exactly. Harumpf!
Actually, though my grand daughter was injured due to an infection, not downs —
I have to wonder why the first year would be so hard, all other things being “normal” —
We had to deal with a respirator, for the first 6 weeks, then a few operations. We do feed her through a “Mickey Button” — but that was after the first year.
However, diapers are easier, when they are smaller. You aren’t trying to potty train. They aren’t trying to walk, or crawl, into traffic or off the stairs. They are not as strong, physically, so they can’t fight you as hard, if you try to brush hair, or change them.
Again, from experience, as long as there are no other medical complications — I do not get the “first year” stuff.
Palin has HIGHER favorable rating than Biden, and she has not even given her speech yet! lol
when did I make jokes about a 13 year old?
I did not pick on Chelsia Clinton.
I did, a few times, mention the fact that the Clinton’s daughter seemed to “parrot” her parents, concerning the mistreatment of Secret Service and White House staff.
Outlander
I’d argue that Hillary made Bill. Not vice versa.
Kandi dear?
How far backward shall we march progress for you?
Shall we do away with prenatal screening?
Let’s just see how far back in time I have to go to be pro life.
Advance warning since you are new here. I was “pro life” 20 years ago. I know all the slogans and one liners.
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink
Apparently some problems with reading comprehension for you there Kandisue.
The piece I posted was from the mother of a 30 year old Down syndrome …child?
This would mean that mother made the same choice Sarah Palin did.
With one exception. As there was no testing at that time, she had to make the decision after the damaged child was born.
That mother simply knows that Sarah Palin will not live the same reality that she did.
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This mother should be commended for her choice as well.
Children with disabilities are born to families of all walks of life and economic backgrounds everyday.
Services available in 2008 vs. 1978 are night and day. It’s been the private sector that has led to this change not the government.
Thank God in Heaven that NOBODY lives the same “reality” as BJ! lol
Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
Thank God in Heaven that NOBODY lives the same “reality” as BJ! lol
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Unfortunately from reading this blog I’d beg to differ :)
Wichita should be very, very proud.
We have some of the best services in the entire world, for disabled kids, right here in Wichita.
BlueJay
“Please do not cry to me, cons, that Sarah is having a rough go.
Senator Hillary Clinton was dragged through broken glass by you people for these last 18 years.”
Please be specific and tell me how often she has been ask if she has killed any of her children through abortion?
I want to know.
Michelle Obama cried when Biden’s past, being sworn in, in the hospital, was mentioned at the Dem Convention.
Biden, single parent, did not resign as Senator.
What hypocrits!
Lets also ask if Hillary’s daugher has ever been pregant?
Well, lets not.
Conservatives actually believe in REAL privacy.
Maybe Mr. Kia IF you really read this blog, you wouldn’t make outlandish statemetns like this one:
“Doesn’t sound like you have much confidence in working mother’s Linda?”
Nothing could be farther from the truth. I stated my opinion of the thread topic at 9:26 a.m. What you referred to was a clearly marked article properly cited. You just lost lots of credibility with me. I had given you credit where it doesn’t seem to be due.
While we wait for Kandi to answer.
My problem with Sarah Palin is she had a choice and would deny that choice to others by force of law.
A difficult position to defend.
Palin on Energy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GE11URmmnc
BJ
Not at all.
You do not have the right to kill your own, older child, under the law.
You COULD kill that child, if you decided to do so.
And, you would and should be punished for that act.
If we passed a law that said you DID have the “right” to kill a teenage child, that would not bind the rest of us to “respect” that “right”.
Not at all. There is no logic in your argument.
BlueJay
“Kandi dear?
How far backward shall we march progress for you?
Shall we do away with prenatal screening?
Let’s just see how far back in time I have to go to be pro life.”
Sugar pie
If you vote for Partial Birth Abortion Obama you are lieing if you say you are pro life.
Anybody who supports partial birth abortion is evil.
BlueJay
“My problem with Sarah Palin is she had a choice and would deny that choice to others by force of law.”
A choice between good and evil? For good that is not a choice.
“Franklin” lies –
“Conservatives actually believe in REAL privacy.”
Tell that to Phill Kline.
And there is no honesty in YOUR argument Franklin paulie.
But that’s per usual.
Kandi? Partial birth abortion is exceedingly rare and used by people like you…dishonestly.
Answer the question. Should we do away with prenatal screening?
“A choice between good and evil? For good that is not a choice.”
Excuse me but I seem to have missed where you or Sarah Palin, or you and Sarah Palin became the final authority on what is good.
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink
While we wait for Kandi to answer.
My problem with Sarah Palin is she had a choice and would deny that choice to others by force of law.
A difficult position to defend.
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BJ what you keep seeing as a choice she saw as a life. No question in the minds of those who respect life. The left just doesn’t get it.
I have to admit I am having a ball watching the left wallow in the muddy water of their own candidates. First she didn’t have the baby her daughter did, then she had it but endangered it by flying back to Alaska to give birth (she did keep his head away from those deadly sissors), then she is a bad mom who hosted a teenage drinking party in a red white and blue bikini with a 30-06 in her arms, then the photo had been phot0 shopped and there was no connection to her in the pictures of teens drinking, then she is a bad mother because she has a career, until the left found out she let the chef and housekeeper go when she moved into the govs mansion because whe wanted to take care of her own family.
It just keeps getting worse for the left. Glad I’m not you.
Abortion, all day – all night – 24/7 – 110 percent of the time by duh Liberal dumbocrats.
BJ
Partial Birth Abortion is now illegal, I beleive.
However, Third Trimester abortions are what have made Tiller rich.
There really aren’t many restrictions, at all, on late term abortions on very viable babies.
Phil Kline tried to enforce the law.
You proabortion fanatics want to protect Tiller, not his patients.
Now, you look ridiculous claiming that you want to protect “privacy” — for everyone except the Palin family!
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
“Franklin” lies –
“Conservatives actually believe in REAL privacy.”
Tell that to Phill Kline.
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Hey Monkey tell me the name of one person whose privacy Kline violated. I don’t care for Kline myself but your lies don’t carry any weight.
The left thinks it is ok to release private info if the person is a republican.
Evil is like art or pornography
Hard to define, but
I know it when I see it.
I hope Palin brings up William Ayers tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/3/11483/34706
Your people Kandisue?
Didn’t you people learn not to pray for bad things to happen when it backfires on you?
I don’t think we need YOU as a moral guardian there either paulie.
But Palin actually did claim that 1,549,000 – 45,000 = 2,000 acres
And that 1,549,000 acres = “20 million acres”.
Cosmos don’t you get it?
N o o n e c a r e s a b o u t y o u r A l g o r e t a l k i n g p o i n t s.
cosmos = dead horse beater, dig it up and beat it again
OMG gran you cannot be serious. He went demanding records from hotels on tiller’s patients who stayed there, gave the records to bill O’lielly. Give me a break.
Hey Gran, wanna see who is muddying the water of their candidate, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg
Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy thinking they’re off camera- talking about how the cons are ‘toast’.
Kandi?
Since you won’t tell me whether or not we should do away with prenatal screening.
I was wondering. From your claimed position on knowing good from evil?
Just what books would you like to see banned?
I’d like to read them. Ya know, just in case.
Not good enough, how about Dinosaur Dr Laura:
http://www.drlaurablog.com/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-and-motherhood/
“Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink
when did I make jokes about a 13 year old?”
Both Rush and McCain did so with Chelsea. Then, using your logic that Obama is responsible for actions of supporters of the guy in Kenya I am holding you responsible for these actions of supporters of the GOP.
okobserver,
1) Why do you believe that LYING about drilling in the Arctic Refuge is an “A l g o r e t a l k i n g p o i n t s.”
2) Do you believe that LIES should be used to promote drilling in the Refuge?
3) Do you believe that those LIES will not be revealed?
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
“A choice between good and evil? For good that is not a choice.”
Excuse me but I seem to have missed where you or Sarah Palin, or you and Sarah Palin became the final authority on what is good.
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It’s a bit of a higher authority than anyone or Sarah Palin.
A choice is where to eat tonight.
Whether or not to carry a child (disablility or not) shouldn’t fit into the same catergory.
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
okobserver,
1) Why do you believe that LYING about drilling in the Arctic Refuge is an “A l g o r e t a l k i n g p o i n t s.”
2) Do you believe that LIES should be used to promote drilling in the Refuge?
3) Do you believe that those LIES will not be revealed?
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“cosmos = dead horse beater, dig it up and beat it again”
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Actually, the 2,000-acre LIE from your Republican party is a very “dead horse”.
‘Drilling in the Arctic Refuge: The 2,000-Acre Footprint Myth
Oil development would stamp a spiderweb of industrial sprawl across the whole of the refuge’s 1.5-million-acre coastal plain.’
http://www.nrdc.org/land/wilderness/artech/farc2000.asp
“President Bush made a speech on March 9, 2005 in which he repeated the widely discredited claim that the oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge could be reached by drilling on only 2,000 acres.”
cosmos_originally
Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink
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Anne Kilkenny sounds like a jealous, bitter woman.
Thank you mult-nic’d Regular, for again proving that you cannot defend that LIE from your Republican party.
Aug. 13, 2001
‘Some Shaky Figures on ANWR Drilling’
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/waller/article/0,9565,170983,00.html
“Turns out the 2,000 acres don’t have to be contiguous and only the space of the equipment touching the ground is counted. Each drilling platform can take up as little as 10 acres. The pipelines are above ground. For space purposes, the amendment counts only the ground touched by the stanchions holding up the pipe. Road widths also are conveniently left out of the space limit.”
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GOOD catch political mama!
Damn I wish I had a transcript of Noonan and all.
lol “political bullshit”
cosmos_originally
Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Thank you mult-nic’d Regula
cosmos_originally
Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:24 pm | Permalink
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This is what Noonan really thinks:
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The choice of Sarah Palin IS a Hail Mary pass, the pass the guy who thinks he has a good arm makes to the receiver he hopes is gifted.
Most Hail Mary passes don’t work.
But when they do they’re a thing of beauty and a joy forever.
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Gut: The Sarah Palin choice is really going to work, or really not going to work. It’s not going to be a little successful or a little not; it’s not going to be a wash. She is either going to be magic or one of history’s accidents. She is either going to be brilliant and groundbreaking, or will soon be the target of unattributed quotes by bitter staffers shifting blame in all the Making of the President 2008 books. Of which there should be plenty, as we’ve never had a year like this, with the fabulous freak of a campaign.
More immediately and seriously on Palin:
Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing — who is really one of them and who is not — and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.
She could become a transformative political presence.
So they are going to have to kill her, and kill her quick.
And it’s going to be brutal. It’s already getting there.
There are only two questions.
1. Can she take it?
Will she be rattled? Can she sail through high seas? Can she roll with most punches and deliver some jabs herself?
2. And while she’s taking it, rolling with it and sailing through, can she put herself forward convincingly as serious enough, grounded enough, weighty enough that the American people can imagine her as vice president of the United States?
I suppose every candidate for vice president faces these questions to some degree, but because Palin is new, unknown, and a woman, it’s all much more so.
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I don’t think the most powerful attack line will be, in the end, inexperience. Our nation appears to be in a cycle in which inexperience seems something of a lure. “He’s fresh, he’s new, he hasn’t appalled me yet!” I don’t think it’s age. While Palin seems to me young, so does Obama. I freely concede this is a drawback of getting older: you keep upping your idea of what “old enough” is. But only because when you’re 50 you know you’re wiser and more seasoned than you were at 40, or should be.
America, even as it ages, loves youth and admires its strength.
I think the left will go hard on this: Fringe. Radical. What goes on in her church? Isn’t she extreme? Does she really think God wants a pipeline? What does Sarah Barracuda really mean? They’re going to try and make her strange, outré, oddball. And not in a good way.
In all this, and in its involvement in this week’s ritual humiliation of a 17-year-old girl, the mainstream press may seriously overplay its hand, and court a backlash that impacts the election. More on that in a moment.
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I’ll tell you how powerful Mrs. Palin already is: she reignited the culture wars just by showing up. She scrambled the battle lines, too. The crustiest old Republican men are shouting “Sexism!” when she’s slammed. Pro-woman Democrats are saying she must be a bad mother to be all ambitious with kids in the house. Great respect goes to Barack Obama not only for saying criticism of candidates’ children is out of bounds in political campaigns, but for making it personal, and therefore believable. “My mother had me when she was eighteen…” That was the lovely sound of class in American politics.
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Let me say of myself and almost everyone I know in the press, all the chattering classes and political strategists and inside dopesters of the Amtrak Acela Line: We live in a bubble and have around us bubble people. We are Bubbleheads. We know this and try to compensate for it by taking road trips through the continent — we’re on one now, in Minneapolis — where we talk to normal people. But we soon forget the pithy, knowing thing the garage mechanic said in the diner, and anyway we weren’t there long enough in the continent to KNOW, to absorb. We view through a prism of hyper-sophistication, and judge by the rules of Chevy Chase and Greenwich, of Cleveland Park and McLean, of Bronxville and Manhattan.
And again we know this, we know this is our limit, our lack.
But we also forget it.
And when you forget you’re a Bubblehead you get in trouble, you misjudge things. For one thing, you assume evangelical Christians will be appalled and left agitated by the circumstances of Mrs. Palin’s daughter. But modern American evangelicals are among the last people who’d judge her harshly. It is the left that is about to go crazy with Puritan judgments; it is the right that is about to show what mellow looks like. Religious conservatives know something’s wrong with us, that man’s a mess. They are not left dazed by the latest applications of this fact. “This just in – there’s a lot of sinning going on out there” is not a headline they’d understand to be news.
So the media’s going to wait for the Christian right to rise up and condemn Mrs. Palin, and they’re not going to do it because it’s not their way, and in any case her problems are their problems. Christians lived through the second half of the 20th century, and the first years of the 21st. They weren’t immune from the culture, they just eventually broke from it, or came to hold themselves in some ways apart from it. I think the media will explain the lack of condemnation as “Republican loyalty” and “talking points.” But that’s not what it will be.
Another Bubblehead blind spot. I’m bumping into a lot of critics who do not buy the legitimacy of small town mayorship (Palin had two terms in Wasilla, Alaska, population 9,000 or so) and executive as opposed to legislative experience. But executives, even of small towns, run something. There are 262 cities in this country with a population of 100,000 or more. But there are close to a hundred thousand small towns with ten thousand people or less. “You do the math,” the conservative pollster Kellyanne Conway told me. “We are a nation of Wasillas, not Chicagos.”
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The mainstream media, which has been holding endless symposia here on the future of media in the 21st century, is in danger of missing a central fact of that future: If they appear, once again, as they have in the past, to be people not reporting the battle but engaged in the battle, if they allow themselves to be tagged by that old tag, which so tarnished them in the past, they will do more to imperil their own future than the Internet has.
This is true: fact is king. Information is king. Great reporting is what every honest person wants now, it’s the one ironic thing we have less of in journalism than we need. But reporting that carries an agenda, that carries Bubblehead assumptions and puts them forth as obvious truths? Well, some people want that. But if I were doing a business model for broadsheets and broadcast networks I’d say: Fact and data are our product, we’re putting everything into reporting, that’s what we’re selling, interpretation is the reader’s job, and think pieces are for the edit page where we put the hardy, blabby hacks.
That was a long way of saying: Dig deep into Sarah Palin, get all you can, talk to everybody, get every vote, every quote, tell us of her career and life, she may be the next vice president. But don’t play games. And leave her kid alone, bitch.
***
Regular
Your “nukes” have lots of collateral damage.
Could you find another way to make your point?
“I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for:”
To believe that this Anne Kilkenny actually did develop some ‘numbers’ for the finance director is bull. To say that she can’t ‘get to’ these numbers is bull. Anyone half way intelligent person has their own set of working papers when the job is finished. And we know she is smart because she told us so.
Her story doesn’t hold water. Pmom this is another one of those stories you should look at more closely.
Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mic: ‘It’s over’
After a segment with NBC’s Chuck Todd ended today, Republican consultant Mike Murphy and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan were caught on a live mic ridiculing the choice of Sarah Palin.
“It’s over,” said Noonan, and then responded to a question of whether Palin is the most qualified Republican woman McCain could have chosen.
“The most qualified? No. I think they went for this — excuse me — political bullsh** about narratives,” she said. “Every time Republicans do that … because that’s not where they live and it’s not what they’re good at and they blow it.”
Murphy chimed in:
“The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.”
Scrolling Regular James?
How old ARE you? Socially I mean.
Seriously? One of you cons needs to make some sort of social contact with that guy.
Kia?
This “higher authority” you speak of?
I’m afraid I need better than second hand word. I don’t hear from it. Maybe those who do are not truthful.
Thank you again mult-nic’d Regular, for again proving that you cannot defend the 2,000-acre LIE from your Republican party.
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Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:43 pm | Permalink
Thank you again mult-nic’d Regular, for again proving that you cannot defend the 2,000-acre LIE from your Republican party.
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econ posted September 3, 2008 at 5:41 pm
“Regular
Your “nukes” have lots of collateral damage.
Could you find another way to make your point?”
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Apparently he can’t. . .
Franklin
Posted September 3, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
Sarah sounds like a true Alaskan.
She could probably handle it all by herself, if she had to. I am thinking she wanted an Alaskan birth certificate.
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This is almost more than I can take!! Franklin, that would make perfect sense, IF the Gov. and her hubby are really in cahoots with the AIP, and really want Alaskan secession…. Then that baby would be a TRUE Alaskan…. and no paperwork would have to be done… Brilliant!!
She anne kilkenney may be legit.
http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=7311041
There is a Hawaii independence movement as well, and they are sometimes much more violent.
Obama will be connected to at least one person in that movement, I believe.
Franklin, a friend of mine, who is Hawaiian, says that what Hawaii wants (the native Hawaiians) is to maintain the Hawaiian Royalty lines, while still being a State… Sort of a Two In One deal… I doubt there will be any violence over that…
Big Island Shocker: Obama tied to Hawaiian secessionism
by Shelbyville Manhattan
Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 09:14:09 AM PDT
HONOLULU, Hawaii — The Barack Obama campaign fought off charges Wednesday that Obama, a native-born Hawaiian, has ties to the Hawaiian independence movement, which holds that the 50th state in the Union should secede…
…So far, there has been no comment from Barack Obama himself, however his running mate, Delaware Senator Joe Biden reportedly called the Hawaii independence flap “bullshit.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/3/11451/93871/180/584597
BlueJay
Posted September 3, 2008 at 5:43 pm | Permalink
Kia?
This “higher authority” you speak of?
I’m afraid I need better than second hand word. I don’t hear from it. Maybe those who do are not truthful.
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You might not think you do or you may choose to ignore it. But you do.
I’m sure you have a conscience right? Just an example.
(chortles)
Come on multi-nic’d Regular. . .
Try to defend your Republican party’s use of the 2,000-acre LIE more effectively than posting “beat that dead horse” over and over and over again.
cosmos_originally
Posted September 3, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
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Manifest Destiny in Reverse
Toward a race-based government in Hawaii.
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200508190812.asp
This really good. I wonder if the press will pick up on this:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html
Regular, scroll that crap one more time and I”m going to ask the webloggods to ban you for a day.
God damn that is irritating.
A few lines would be fine and we’d get your damn point.
“Not for you or me to say. A nice thing about large families though is that she won’t be alone caring for the special needs child. There are older children to help and they will gain a valuable life lesson about love and compassion.”
Should it be the older childrens’ responsibility to take on that much of the baby’s care, thought, whether he has Down’s or not? I don’t think so.
Political_mama posted September 3, 2008 at 6:41 pm
“A few lines would be fine and we’d get your damn point.”
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Multi-nic’d Regular’s only “point” is that he cannot defend the 2,000-acre LIE used by his Republican party.
Political_mama
Posted September 3, 2008 at 6:41 pm | Permalink
Regular, scroll that crap one more time and I”m going to ask the webloggods to ban you for a day.
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Any other way wouldn’t have been effective now would it? :)
Do you people not realize that probably about 90% of allllll citys in the US are in debt, usually due to bonds?
I live in a town of 50,000. This city has bonded debt of over 210,000,000. The school district is in debt to the tune of 160,000,000. This is a perfectly normal way of doing business and getting those things that a city needs or thinks they need to bring in additional money, jobs, businesses, tourists etc.
You want to talk about pork. Look at your own city. ANY money from the feds is considered pork. Randi Rhodes from Air America was going on and on and on and on about Palin and the supposed amount of pork. Gee it was just a year or so ago that Rhodes was bitching about how Homeland Security was sending about 1.8 mil to Montana to update their emergency response radios and how Homeland Security had cut back on the amount of money they were sending to New York. OF COURSE she didn’t want to mention that NY was being cut back from about 2.1 billion to 1.5 billion. OF COURSE she also didn’t want to mention how many BILLIONS had gone to NY from Homeland Security since 9-11. Nope this was just her way of saying how HORRIBLE the Bush administration was and he didn’t care about NY just about blowing money on some scumbag place like Montana.
You remember Montana, just one of those fly over areas. Listening to Rhodes, you’d think that all of those people in Alaska and the state of Alaska should just be given back to Russia, because it isn’t a blue state, and loaded with libs, so therefore DOESN’T MATTER.
You’ll also notice that the bonded debtedness WAS approved by the voters.
Regular, what is the point of tonight’s nuking?
Should it be the older childrens’ responsibility to take on that much of the baby’s care, thought, whether he has Down’s or not? I don’t think so.
It depends on the child, the family, and the situation. Some girls naturally gravitate towards babies and small children. My #2 was like that. Some don’t, like my oldest. Some girls who have the responsibility of younger siblings go on to have their own children and make great mothers. Others never have children because they had enough of taking care of kids when they themselves were kids.
One of the things I noticed in the photos on Meghan McCain’s blog was that Bristol is the one who usually has Trig, whether in public or private. (Lots of pictures there backstage and on the bus, where Bristol seems to have spent the most time.) The one photo, except for the “official family” type ones, where Sarah is holding him, she has either a cell or blackberry in her hand and is, I assume, working. It could be Meghan was more interested in taking pics of the younger set than the older, assuming Meghan took the pictures. Or it could be that it is as it seems and Bristol has naturally taken over or been given the care of Trig.
Either way, I wondered how that was going to work after Levi arrived (and he has), but then I forgot that they probably have plenty of extra hands to pitch in and take care of him.
P-mom,
Reggie can’t help the constant repetition- it’s called perseveration and is usually an indicator of brain damage or other neuropathology.
At least Regular isn’t idolizing BTK again.
I cannot believe democrats would attack Palin herein with a thread based upon her being a woman.
How awful. Attack her on her lack of qualifications, lack of experience, ties to big oil, and maybe her stand on a few issues (local though they may be).
But for heavens sake don’t try to be the party of the openminded, inclusion of women, and then attack a candidate because she has tits.
An apology
I’ve been informed that the letter I posted supposedly from some one in Palin’s hometown is in fact a fraud …. I apologize for not doing due diligence myself and checking out the story / letter myself. I will ask the editors to remove the post —-
Still —- Indie
http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15797
True beber.
“Overall, per-capita federal spending among states was highest in Alaska, which took in more than $12,200 per person”
Gov Palin seems to be good at pork-barreling.
Palin’s Earmarks Called “Objectionable Pork” by McCain?
Wed Sep 3,
To quote Will Ferrell in Zoolander, “Doesn’t anybody notice this? I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!”
As part of her executive experience that the McCain campaign so highly promotes, Sarah Palin requested millions in earmarks from Congress. Three of them, totaling nearly $2 million, were classified as “objectionable pork” by…. John McCain.
Reports the Chicago Tribune:
This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. “The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship,” she wrote in a newspaper column.
In 2001, McCain’s list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town — one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.
McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin’s tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.
Come on, now.
Look, this means one of two things. Either John McCain barely looked into Palin’s background and didn’t realize he called her a Federal funding hog in the past. Or, McCain’s team did vet her, knew she worked for everything McCain stood against, and he didn’t give a damn that she wasn’t the reformer he would make her out to be. If that’s true, then he’s saying he doesn’t care because this was a craven political selection, not one based on principle or ability.
Whichever it is, it sure isn’t good for McCain. But, he does need to answer this important question – did he vet her, or is he simply misrepresenting her to the nation?
Oh, and this has nothing to do with sexism. It has to do with the man topping the ticket, not doing his due diligence on his first major presidential decision.
“Gov Palin seems to be good at pork-barreling.”
That would be the senators and congressmen from Alaska, not the gov…
Besides, even Shadows amounts are chump change compared to the pork being dished out nationwide.
By both parties quite freely. Quite liberally.
Why, even here in Kansas. Look at the prison muesuem coming to Lansing! Millions of pork, and so many to point fingers at.
Just remember: When you point to a republican and cry “pork” you have three fingers pointing back at your own party.
Complaining about either party wasting government money is EXACTLY what BOTH parties want us to do. We are being used to keep the status quo – for both parties pet projects locally.
Don’t be stupid. Nothing will change unless we all AGREE to cut pork:
http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/News2?abbr=CCAGW_&page=NewsArticle&id=11590
“Children with disabilities are born to families of all walks of life and economic backgrounds everyday.
Services available in 2008 vs. 1978 are night and day. It’s been the private sector that has led to this change not the government.”
Mr. Kia.
I have worked in the field of developmental disabilities as a service provider and, at times, an administrator, for a quarter of a century. I have worked in this field both in the private and the public sectors. I was raised by someone who was one of the people who was a pioneer in helping to change the culture and improve services to people with developmental disabilities. I have had the privilege of meeting people, of all sorts of political persuasions, who have been major forces in making changes for people with developmental disabilities. It is my career and my passion.
And I can tell you that not only is your statement factually inaccurate, it stands reality on its head. Yes, there have been and are important innovations from the private sector, but there is little profit in it. When it comes to public or private service providers, both depend heavily on public funding for continuing operating expenses. Services for people with developmental disabilities DO attract a great deal of philanthropy, and I can tell you in absolute terms that it is not nearly enough, and that reliable public funding is not only essential, it is primary. And that is an absolute fact.
And that doesn’t even address the fact that you were talking about CHILDREN.
Sir, to think that services for children with developmental disabilities would be anywhere close to what they are without the FEDERAL mandate from IDEA (original version 94-142) would be so beyond absurd I can not even think of a word for it. The engines that drives services for children are federal and state funding, Part H, the IDEA mandate. Furthermore, the standards which give parents every recourse to make certain that their children do recieve the services that they need (at a minimum) comes from federal standards. And indeed, since there is no mandate once this population turns 21, guess what happens? You start to see people falling through the cracks. What keeps the numbers of adults with DD falling through the cracks at a relative minimum? Medicaid.
So, Mr. Kia, if you want to make this statement:
“Children with disabilities are born to families of all walks of life and economic backgrounds everyday.
Services available in 2008 vs. 1978 are night and day. It’s been the private sector that has led to this change not the government.”
Please understand that you are saying, very loudly and very clearly, that you don’t know what you are talking about.
Palin taking on too much?
Not after watching tonights speech.
Wow, thanks Agnatha.
He really does not. Even today- with all of those things, we’re woefully lacking in what it takes to help.
actually Amway, I made that very point many,many times.
Y’all have a good night!!
Gonna be TONS of spin tomorrow… I can see that already!!
Sleep well, al!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Given that in mothers of Sasah Palin’s age, the chance of delivering a Downs baby is about 1 in 33 (up from about 1 in 1600 for a woman in her 20’s), Sarah’s lack of judgement in not taking her pill (or other birth control method of her choice) is breathtakingly negligent. Now it appears that the raising of her little girl with the long list of problems no child should have to face all her life will be turned over to a contingent of professional nannies who can’t give her what a Down’s child needs most of all, a stable environment and a mother’s love.
“Given that in mothers of Sasah Palin’s age, the chance of delivering a Downs baby is about 1 in 33 (up from about 1 in 1600 for a woman in her 20’s), Sarah’s lack of judgement in not taking her pill (or other birth control method of her choice) is breathtakingly negligent. Now it appears that the raising of her little girl with the long list of problems no child should have to face all her life will be turned over to a contingent of professional nannies who can’t give her what a Down’s child needs most of all, a stable environment and a mother’s love.”
Sorry Jed, but I can’t back you up on that one. We don’t know how this kid’s life will turn out any more than any others. And quite a number of Down Syndrome people have perfectly good and happy lives worth living, and for that matter productive lives.
Ag,
Yes, many Down’s babies do have good lives, but most end up suffering from the many deadly serious and painful long-term health problems that are the result of the genetic trisomy. When Down’s Syndrome can be largely prevented/reduced by the simple lifestyle change of having all your kids before you turn 38, It seems to me that the selfishness and/or negligence of those parents who choose to ignore such a simple precaution is on a par with those who abuse and injure their children in more traditional ways.
Yes, sterlization for women over 40.
I can’t believe some of this crap.
Jed
Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:21 am | Permalink
Now it appears that the raising of her little girl with the long list of problems no child should have….
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“Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.”
-Kindergarten Cop
“Yes, many Down’s babies do have good lives, but most end up suffering from the many deadly serious and painful long-term health problems that are the result of the genetic trisomy.”
As a population, they have health problems true. Most are treatable and many are predictable. And other people live perfectly good lives even though the suffer from chronic health problems.
“When Down’s Syndrome can be largely prevented/reduced by the simple lifestyle change of having all your kids before you turn 38, It seems to me that the selfishness and/or negligence of those parents who choose to ignore such a simple precaution is on a par with those who abuse and injure their children in more traditional ways.”
Uhm, nope. While it is true that infants with Down Syndrome are more likely to be born to parents (especially mothers) who are older, it is hardly universal and I know plenty of people with Down Syndrome (most, in fact) who were born to younger parents.
Jed, you are barking up the wrong tree here. There are vulnerabilities in terms of what Palin says versus what she does, but this isn’t one of them.
That being said:
While I know many, many people with Down Syndrome (or other developmental disabilities) who live highly productive and indeed, happy, lives, in most (indeed almost all) cases it happened in large part because of public support. If there is any area or field of endeavor that gives lie to the right wing or libertarian absolute and complete bullsh*t claim that private is always better (and actually, there are several, indeed many, other endeavors that do as well) the expansion of services for people with developmental disabilities is it. I have not only seen the necessity of mandates, public funding, and gummit oversight, I have seen the negative consequences of some attempts to reign in funding and oversight (particularly at the adult level).
“Gonna be TONS of spin tomorrow… I can see that already!!”
Boy, you had that right.
And given the attention that Palin’s presence has provided for the McCain campaign, I bet old John S. can not be happier.
Ag,
While I agree with you more than you will ever know about more funding for developmental as well as other disabilities, the issue is about considerably more than government spending. I’ve spent most of my life knowing and working with people with various disabilities, and while it is easy to talk about how apparently happy some of them are, there are also the ones you don’t see because they are in homes or institutions where neglect and outright abuse are the rule not the exception. This is not simply a matter of funding or poor management, it strikes to the heart of our entire culture. If you don’t believe that, go sit in on a classroom of kids that has one or more disabled children and see how they are treated by their classmates and even some of the staff. It ain’t sunshine and roses!
Even if you could solve the societal problems, Down’s Syndrome comes with a set of genetic problems that usually cause ungodly pain and suffering throughout the life of the patient.
If you’d take the time to look up the actual figures, you’ll find that the chances of having a child with Down’s increase horrendously if the mother or father is past the age of about 38 (1 child out of 19 to mothers who give birth at age 45). These figures have been well-known to the medical community and available to most anybody who is remotely literate and not living in a cave for the last several decades.
You wouldn’t stand for parents refusing to provide their young children with approved car seats, so if a bit of thought and family planning can substantially reduce the number of children born with Down’s, how can you contend that refusing for whatever reason to make those plans isn’t abusive?
Jed, like I said upthread. I work in the field. I have worked in the field for 25 years. As for going into a classroom where students with developmental disabilities, and severe disabilities at that.
Well, that’s what I do every day, many times in that day.
What I am saying is, going after Palin for having kids late in life is barking up the wrong tree. Most kids born to even 40 plus year old parents do not have Down Syndrome, and while the chances are far better, the majority of kids with DS are not born to parents who are 40 and older.
You get pregnant, you roll the dice, no matter how old you are.
There’s plenty of things REALLY wrong with Palin so as not to go after her for that.