In the end Wednesday, a legislative panel put the Kansas Legislative Division of Post Audit to work on a limited survey of the existing data about the financial costs and benefits of illegal immigration, rather than the sweeping audit sought by state Rep. Nile Dillmore, D-Wichita. That’s something. And the discussion was telling, as lawmakers wrestled with how to get solid data to guide further attempts to pass laws targeting illegal immigration. The point is that any legislative action should be informed by facts, rather than fear and ignorance.
Sen. Les Donovan, R-Wichita, even cast doubt on the notion that, full audit or not, the Legislature would or could do much about illegal immigration (“Not in my lifetime,” he predicted), because federal law already requires that public schools accept undocumented children and emergency rooms aren’t going to start turning away illegal immigrants in need of help. “This is America,” Donovan said. “We don’t do that.”
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A survey needs to be done. From my observation, some or many illegal immigrants in Wichita seem to be moving on to other metropolitan areas with more opportunities, work, benefits, etc. Has anyone else noticed this? Perhaps the survey will show this.
Just vote for new blood and send the old traitors to the line of no help for you if you are a American like the rest of us.
Wasn’t it Oklahoma or Arizona that enacted a law that sent the illegals running from those states? If so what did those laws entail? No that our legislators would actually do something but it would be interesting to see how other states are dealing with the issue.
Freebird it was Oklahoma and I do not remember all the details of the law.
MO,OK,AZ, HAVE LAWS THAT ARE BEING ENFORCED, NE IS CHANGING THEIR THINKING ON THIS MATTER. FOR THE GOOD. AND KANSAS IS GETTING ALOT OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THE FAST PACE! LOOK AROUND AND WATCH THE PLACES THAT GIVE OUT HELP FOR THE POOR.
Problem is, the business community doesn’t want to get rid of illegals. They work cheap and don’t complain. Wonder why your teen can’t get a job? The Mexicans are taking all of the entry-level jobs. Cleaning, construction, and fast food are awash with Mexicans.
State Representative Lance Kinzer and State Representative Brenda Landwehr worked very hard on illegal immigration legislation this past year.
They were blocked by the democrats, the speaker of the house Melvin Neufeld and the agrigculture business folks.
Other states are doing something and Kansas should too. We are becoming a sanctuary state for those that left Oklahoma when their law was passed.
Don’t need no stinkin’ audit!
Just pass laws similar to Oklahoma and get the anchor family illegals out of Dodge.
Ok started cracking down on the businesses who hired them without filling out I9s and the landlords who rented to illegals. It seems to be working. They do have businesses that complain about not being able to hire help but they really mean ‘hire cheap help’.
Regular
Posted September 21, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink
Don’t need no stinkin’ audit!
Just pass laws similar to Oklahoma and get the anchor family illegals out of Dodge
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And what, leave em in Yoder:-)
“okobserver” offers –
“…cracking down on the businesses who hired them…”
In a miracle on the order of the loaves and fishes, “okobserver” and I agree.
I think I’ll go sit on a hill and wait for Jesus.
Monkeyhawk, I’ll bring my own lawn chair and sit beside you while we contemplate this scary thing we’ve just done.
I also agree with this: They do have businesses that complain about not being able to hire help but they really mean ‘hire cheap help’.
Da da, da da…
Dennis
“Problem is, the business community doesn’t want to get rid of illegals. They work cheap and don’t complain. Wonder why your teen can’t get a job? The Mexicans are taking all of the entry-level jobs. Cleaning, construction, and fast food are awash with Mexicans.”
I’m so sick and tired of reading comments that only say things about Mexicans. Yes, there are a lot of Mexicans here illegally but there are also tons more here as permanent residents or citizens of the States and there are even illegal immigrants from different countries! Has it ever occurred to you that maybe some of the people working those jobs aren’t illegal? There is a reason why these immigrants take those jobs, and it’s because those are the jobs that are vacant–because obviously, no one else is taking them.
I’m a teenager and it wasn’t hard for me to find a job. Give me a break.
rnj719
Posted September 21, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink
“I’m so sick and tired of reading comments that only say things about Mexicans.”
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Sorry rnj, but Mexicans or “Latinos” are the major problem.
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“Yes, there are a lot of Mexicans here illegally but there are also tons more here as permanent residents or citizens of the States and there are even illegal immigrants from different countries!”
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I disagree. For every legal Mexican, there are a dozen family members who aren’t legal. Of course there are illegals from other countries but the vast majority around here are Latino.
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“Has it ever occurred to you that maybe some of the people working those jobs aren’t illegal?”
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Well doh! Some are legal. But a huge portion aren’t. Just walk into anyplace where there are a lot of Latinos working and say “INS”. They scatter.
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“There is a reason why these immigrants take those jobs, and it’s because those are the jobs that are vacant–because obviously, no one else is taking them.”
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That’s a steaming pile. As I said upthread, Mexicans get the jobs because they work for peanuts and won’t complain because they don’t want to draw attention (get deported).
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“I’m a teenager and it wasn’t hard for me to find a job. Give me a break.”
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You’re a teenager.
Nuff said.
I’m a teenager in the sense that I’m about to turn 20. Teenagers are not idiots, they just tend to have a more liberal outlook. That doesn’t make me an idiot.
Monkey and Yellowdog I won’t tamper with success just say we really aren’t all that different. I too spent the morning waiting for Jesus. And yellowdog I was raised by a long line of yellowdogs in Ok.
rnj719:
Good to meet you… even if it’s only here.
The point that the immigrationoids continue to miss is this: 80 PERCENT of the “illegal” aliens who are counted as such came here LEGALLY… but the government couldn’t keep their documents maintained in a timely manner.
That, and their continual obsession with a fence at the Mexican border, are the main reason ICE ran out of money to process LEGAL immigration… compouding the problem–and the reason I can’t get my fiancee in this country LEGALLY.
Sorry… hope I didn’t confuse anyone with the facts.
“federal law already requires that public schools accept undocumented children and emergency rooms aren’t going to start turning away illegal immigrants in need of help. “This is America,” Donovan said. “We don’t do that.””
It’s about time we started doing that. Anyone housing an illegal immigrant needs to be charged with aiding and abetting as well. Let cut them off, America cannot afford to take care of them.
Gee, we wouldn’t want the U.S. Constitution to get in the way, would we?
“I’m a teenager in the sense that I’m about to turn 20. Teenagers are not idiots, they just tend to have a more liberal outlook. That doesn’t make me an idiot.”
No, being ignorant makes you an idiot. Not all Mexicans are illegals, but for every legal Mexican immigrant that are 10 that aren’t. If you aren’t so ignorant as you demonstrate, please explain something to me.
Both presidential candidate support amnesty for illegals and have voted in support of it. Please tell me how exactly social security is going to stay around when thousands of the beaners become eligible to collect hardworking taxpayers money.
Please don’t start with a stupid answer like the illegal contributing to social security too….No one who works a no skill job will ever contribute to social security more than they collect, the social security tax just isn’t that high.
“Gee, we wouldn’t want the U.S. Constitution to get in the way, would we?”
From what I’ve seen in the constitution we are supposed to repel foreign invaders. I would say that 20 million illegals in this country is an invasion. Its time to start hunting and shooting.
Don’t die, please do. Its a cold day in hell when I agree with the likes of Lance Kinzer, but something needs to be done. Salina Police Chief recently said in the newspaper that illegals needn’t run and hide from the police if they haven’t done anything illegal. Now his definition of illegal and mine are apparently two different things. and you can tell Salina is becoming a sanctuary city when you visit the Walmart, see spanish speaking people driving around all over the place and working all the menial jobs.
And it isn’t a race thing- it’s an illegal thing.
Poeple like you who look for the opportunity to discriminate are trash. At least those ‘beaners’ are just trying to eke out a living.
They are people, I just want them to come legally or fix their own country. We cannot absorb them all and take care of them.
Yeah, we’ll just stick ‘em all in the backa Bubba’s pickemup truck.
That’s not simple. That’s simple-minded.
rnj719
To learn one must be able to be taught which i believe you are being. Now go and see the people that are Americans and the ones that are illegal aliens and find out how they are given great help [illegal alien] and look at how they think America owes them. We The People we do not owe them nothing but help out of America. P.S. google who helps illegal aliens in America.
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mrcontroversy
Posted September 21, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
rnj719:
Good to meet you… even if it’s only here.
The point that the immigrationoids continue to miss is this: 80 PERCENT of the “illegal” aliens who are counted as such came here LEGALLY… but the government couldn’t keep their documents maintained in a timely manner.
That, and their continual obsession with a fence at the Mexican border, are the main reason ICE ran out of money to process LEGAL immigration… compouding the problem–and the reason I can’t get my fiancee in this country LEGALLY.
Sorry… hope I didn’t confuse anyone with the facts.
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No worries, I’m sure you can find another 16 year old chica.
I sure wish Lou Dobbs, the business reporter, would have spent more time covering business than bloviating about immigration. Now he can bloviate about Bush’s Bailout. Didn’t the Bush family benefit by tens of billions from the Silverado S&L failure? Especially Neil and Jeb? And GW, or was the Bush who was guilty of insider trading of his stock in Harken Energy? Bush oughta know about bailouts.
If they are in another state or back home they dont cost us.
That is why you do the enforcement FIRST and NOT at the same time. Then we need to address the entire CONCEPT of immigration. We have not had a need for people for 40 years. We are no longer an agriculture based country. And the asshats in Wall street sent all the manufacturing jobs offshore. Now they are seeing how that has worked out.
This enforcement thing seems to be a tough concept for liberals and the usual leftists to fathom. But then they want more ethnocentric groups to portray as “victims” to generate some government program for and then get their vote forever.
Tulsa has had a reduction of some 25,000 after the new OK laws and the local police now having Section 287g training to allow them to enforce immigration laws.
The local Wichita police need this training to help address the Gang issues here. Hopefully they will get it it soon.
I just read a call to murder above. SHAME!
This is America. In America Americans pay to educate American children. Mexican children should be educated in schools financed by Mexican taxpayers. Pakistani children should be educated in schools financed by Pakistani taxpayers. Nigerian children should be educated in schools financed by Nigerian taxpayers. (Etc., etc., etc.) We obviously need to change a federal law or two. Of course we do not turn anyone away from emergency room and emergency treatment that stabalizes them. But people should be sent ‘home’ for their therapeutic medical treatment.
rnj719
“There is a reason why these immigrants take those jobs, and it’s because those are the jobs that are vacant–because obviously, no one else is taking them.”
No that’s not the reason. Americans won’t take those jobs because of the severe low pay. I worked road construction, during the summer, when I was in college, and I seen first hand where illegal mexicans were moved to higher positions because they could pay them lower than the state mandated rate for that job. The illegals wouldn’t tell the inspector that he was pay lower than required, so it was a win, win, lose with the company and illegal winning while the U.S. citizen was kept to a lower job to increase profits.
Also, look at that meat packing plant that was raided, they had to hire U.S. citizens after the illegals were taken away. They didn’t have to shut their doors, but they did have to pay a decent wage for the job.
“I just read a call to murder above. SHAME!”
Really? I missed it. Then again, you could miss the point the defending ones homeland from illegal invasion isn’t murder. It’s justified killing.
can someone tell me who gets and got all the money that is and or was taken out of the paychecks for this “mexicans”? ASK YOUR SELF THAT ONE!!! who do you think wants these “mexicans” to work for them???? WHITE AMERCIA!!! WHY? THEY DO A GREAT JOB! DON’T COMPLAIN AND ARE HAPPY TO GET MONEY TO FEED THEIR CHILDEREN.They pay taxes when they buy something and they get paid alot less then us because they cant go complain to any one who really cares.. so again “white America” creates the situation. I cant believe how all of you who claim to be oh so holy can sit there and wish ill and can hate them or look down on them. ASK YOURSELVES THIS QUESTION : WHAT WOULD YOU DO AND OR YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU KNEW THAT AT ANY MOMENT YOUR FAMILY WAS GOING TO BE SEPERATED?WOULD YOU SLEEP? WOULD YOU WANT TO GO TO SLEEP? WOULD THE NIGHTMARES OF BEING HURT COME TO YOUR MIND? WOULD YOU WANT ANY PERSON MAN HANDLING YOUR CHILD? WHY DO YOU ALL HURT THEM SO MUCH?
SO IF AN AMERICAN BUSINESS THAT IS IN MEXICO WOULD PAY MORE THEN MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY THERE…..AND AS I HAVE SEEN MEXICO HAS A LOT OF AMERICAN BUSINESS’. THEY WORK AT JOBS THAT ALL OF YOU DONT WANT TO WORK……. I WOULDNT EVEN WORK AT A BEEF PLANT..OR FEEDYARD …OR DAIRY…OF PICKING FRUIT…. BUT THATS ME BEING HONEST…. THATS ME …. A BORN “MEXICAN” RAISED IN THE UNTIED STATES AND “LEGAL”!!!!!!