Conservative columnist and Sarah Palin fan Kathleen Parker has reluctantly concluded that Palin is “clearly out of her league” and should step down. “As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem,” Parker wrote on today’s Opinion page. “Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.”
Parker added: “No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does.”
Parker’s conclusion: “Only Palin can save McCain, her party and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country.”
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I have to agree. The interview showed just how uninformed she is. It was like listening to a short order cook attempting to explain a five star extravaganza. I actually felt sorry for her.
If the VP debate goes on, I’m afraid Biden have her on the ropes before the first question is done. She is not Presidential material. McCain blew that one big time.
Maybe by Thursday she will have learned something. Although being on that national stage gets easier when you’ve had practice and her handlers have done her no favors in keeping her to scripts and talking points.
If she has watched her interview with Katie Couric she will want to work hard to improve. It will take some moxie to be back on the national stage after that performance.
If she does as poorly this next week she has doomed her once bright political future. She’ll need to go back to Alaska and mend some fences there in order to keep her current job.
Palins problem is she must stay on McCains message not Palins message. So she’s stuck holding to his talking points. They need to turn her loose with her own message. But that aint gonna happen.
FOR COUNTRY’S SAKE, OBAMA SHOULD DROP OUT
For every argument talking about the lack of experience that Palin has, you can say the exact same thing about Obama.
Palin has proven herself just fine. Besides a few pundits here and there and all the damn liberals, I don’t know of anyone that doesn’t like Palin or wants to see her quit.
Besides, her quiting would be far more damaging than staying. It would only serve to confirm a lack of judgement on McCain’s part and the Obama camp would be tearing him apart.
Today Linda and JM Walker are saying she should quit and tomorrow you both would be using her quiting to attack McCain.
Lets face it, no matter what McCain or Palin does neither of you are going to find anything to like about it.
Nathan, you couldn’t be more wrong. Sarah’s interview was a train wreck. Why? I don’t know if it was her handlers fault or her own, but it was painful to watch. If she comes on the debate stage, and puts on a performance similar to the one with Katie, she’ll be crucified.
Maybe you didn’t see it, or just don’t want to see it for what it was, but she was not coherent at all on both the economy and foreign relations. Whether I like her or not had nothing to do with it: it was bad.
You are correct I don’t like McCain. I don’t like Bush, and for all his posturing, I think McCain would just be another Bush.
As for Obama’s experience, what experience did Bush have prior to his Presidency? Foreign? Like dealing with illegals? Financial? Like dealing with his oil buds? You seem to like Bush just fine, so you have little to offer when discussing Obama’s experience.
I would call last nights debate a draw. Neither said anything to make me change my mind, both handled themselves very well, and both knew their subjects. I will give Obama credit for keeping his cool under McCain’s constant “Obama just doesn’t understand” shtick. Obama showed time and time again he did understand, but had a different take on things. I happen to agree with Obama’s take. That’s politics.
Whether Sarah’s qualified to be that heartbeat away from the presidency should come out during the debates, but I fear she will get blown at, and I hate to see that happen to someone who as come as far as she has. She, in my opinion, is the monkey wrench thrown in by McCain, and we need more than a monkey wrench as a potential president.
Nathaniel posts,
“FOR COUNTRY’S SAKE, OBAMA SHOULD DROP OUT”
Amen Nathaniel, Obama has even less experience than Palin and a worse record.
What needs to happen as well is that those voting for Obama get some psychiatric help.
This paper is a joke. I can see it now…on the day before the election, the editorial board will claim, “after much discussion and deliberation, we are endorsing Obama/Biden” or something like that. When the people at this paper made up their minds long ago and leads like this prove it.
Enough with Palin already, McCain is the presidential candidate. The VP doesn’t set policy, the VP doesn’t sign bills. I have the exact same question Palin did, (which wasn’t stupid by the way, it was a logical, common sense question) What DOES the VP do all day? I can tell you my job is a Program Data Analyst, but do you have any clue of what I actually do all day?
Of course Biden loves this because it keeps the same questions off of him. All McCain is is old. But looking at that is mother is still alive and appears to be in pretty good health in mind and body, I am not concerned in the least about his ability to serve out 4 years.
On the other hand its time for a little honesty here. Obama would be the first black president. Now I’m not saying anything here but god forbid, there are enough loons out here that actually think that they want to be infamous and how do they go about doing that.
You all remember Eddie Murphy’s routine about if Jesse Jackson had became president, I think that could be a reality. I am more concerned about Obama making it through the first 4 years and Biden taking over. Why anybody thinks Biden is qualified to step into the Presidential spot is beyond me.
jw…you ask what experience did Bush have? As governor of a large state, he had a LOT more executive level experience than a 143 day boy wonder in the Senate.
As a matter of fact, this is the first time since Kennedy that a Senator has become president. Governors are recognized as having much more executive level/leadership expereince than senators.
Look a the past couple decades…Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush (GW)all were governors. Nixon had been VP, as had Ford and Bush the 1st.. Not a senator since Kennedy.
For over 40 years, the electorate has chosen to not put a senator into the white house. The Democratic ticket has not just one but TWO senators.
I think she should stay in, and serve as an example of mcsame’s judgement and leadership ability. Picking her pretty much says it all. He’ll do anything in the name of politics. The good of the country? Not so much…
JW it is hard to see the draw here. Your boy Obama agreed with McCain 8 times on major issues in the debate. His words, right out of his mouth were I agree with John (very disrespectful in calling the Senator by his first name).
Obama boy has no clue what to do with foreign policy. He will drive us into wars that we do not have the manpower for without a draft. We don’t need to put our country at risk like that.
Obama boy wants to tax people that were told to get a good education, go to college, get a good job or start your own business and when you do the government will be there with their hand out to take most of the fruits of your labor away from you. He wants to increase taxes on anyone making over $250,000. What gives him the right to take from you what you were told was the American dream? Where will the robbing of our efforts stop?
He has no plans to cut the budget only to raise taxes. How are taxes the American dream? He will have to raise taxes to fund all of the programs he wants to expand. He will have to raise taxes to fund all of the promises he is making to get elected.
Obama boy will be the destroyer of the American dream.
No she does not get to drop out.
SHE was McCain’s choice. And choosing her is illustration that McCain is rash, thoughtless, and unfit to command.
Like the little girl that didn’t get the pony for her birthday, partially employed columnist Kathleen Parker rails against Governor Sarah Palin.
After all, it’s about attitude isn’t it Ms. Parker? When is the last time you told a Governor of a state they weren’t ready or qualified to be President? Could it be that Ms. Parker doesn’t know how to measure success or stature unless it has a penis attached to it?
It appears that Ms. Parker has used the Couric standard as a caliper. I mean surely you jest, weren’t all the naysayers of Katie Couric saying the same thing when she was appointed the anchor of CBS news? Look at Katie Couric now. I mean Katie even has ‘epeen’ and can flop it out like a big dog in the men’s room of politics.
Perhaps this ‘penis envy’ syndrome of Governor Palin by Kathlenn Parker will pass as soon as the back order on that birthday pony comes in to settle old heart breaks.
Until then Kathleen Parker, “bless your wittle heart.” :)
“. He wants to increase taxes on anyone making over $250,000.”
Quite right and well we should.
How much is ENOUGH for you cons?
(Whew) What a relief.
I thought the poor sheep wouldn’t have a Palin thread today.
Withdrawal is an ugly sight to behold.
“….pulling for Palin….”
I think maybe I might get together a viewing party so I can better enjoy watching lil Sarah crash and burn.
Zero.
And even if you took every penny of income produced by those making over $250,000 annual income, it will not be enough to even remotely pay off our national debt, balance the budget, and get us out of the financial mess we are in.
Here is what you just are not going to get:
A nation cannot forever spend more money than it has. You cannot spend your way into prosperity.
Like individuals with an average credit card bill over 7K and businesses running scams – someday you have to pay the piper. That day is here.
Maybe when you are in the soup lines this will sink in. But certainly not a day before.
Palin supporters… You really want a soccer mom as a figure head puppet president of the neo-conservatives, if McCain dies in office?
McCain will be 72 yrs old… with a history of cancer…
It matters who VP is.
what is this 143 day crap people keep saying about Obama? He was in the Senate from 2005 to early 2007 (when he announced his bid). So that’s two years and the Senate is in session for over 200 days a year. So that would be 400 days in session. So where do we get 143 days? Someone explain this to me…..
If you read the book “Atlas Shrugged” it pretty much discribes what Obama will lead us to.
Class envy can only take you so far and then you have to start taxing everyone at the same time you have to control the output of all business so they will be equal. Not one business will be allowed to do better than another even if the product is bad, undeliverable or the service is non-existant.
Obama’s attitude will totally distroy the economy and the countries he says we should not worry about will be more than happy to take us on. Why do you think their leaders are supporting Obama? Because he is going to be strong against them? No it is because they know he will be weak against them.
Here is an idea (McCain or Obama please feel free to plagiarize this):
Step 1. Cut the lowest tax bracket by 2%, cut the middle tax bracket by 3%.
Step 2. Make the capital gains tax rates match those for ordinary income.
Step 3. Increase the highest bracket by a percentage large enough to keep the revenue dollars flat after steps 1 and 2 are taken into account.
This will give every taxpayer in the country a tax break. Every taxpayer.
This will also put the effective tax rate for all taxpayers more in line with their tax brackets. Currently it is skewed downward for high income taxpayers by low capital gains rates. The effective tax rate for someone with a million in capital gains is likely the same as for someone making $100K and no capital gains.
This will directly and immediately impact the paychecks of every taxpayer because companies will lower withholding for all employees.
“cut the middle tax bracket by 3%” by middle bracket, I meant second lowest bracket.
(yes I know there are more than 3 tax brackets)
Libs are still running scared. Palin must really have them worried, as much as they are posting threads and filling them. I guess they hope to convert ONE con. Or maybe they just want to reassure each other with the koolaid.
Baaaaah! Baaaah!
It annoys me that anyone would put this woman through the humiliation she was bound to experience. Did the McCain group think a bump in the polls was suffiecint to sacrifice an otherwise credible person? She is not a bad woman and must have some credentials to have risen to the rank she did in Alaska and this less that civil action by the Republicans of pure packaging rather than checking for content,just gets to me.
sunflower, your rant about Obama “boy” shows your racist bent. Your credibility was just reduced to less than zero.
Obama agreed with McCain on many issues, which shows they both have the same opinion on many things. I find that a bit refreshing. McCain, on the other hand, used the dreaded, “He just doesn’t get it” shtick, and never once acknowledged the fact they agreed on any issue. Of course they are going to disagree on many things, that’s politics. Gee, think that’s the reason we have two candidates? But because there is disagreement, doesn’t mean Obama doesn’t get it: he clearly does, he just disagrees.
That proves to me Obama is willing to reach across the aisle, while McCain is more than willing to close the road completely. On that point, I will give Obama the heads up award on the debate. McCain gets the closed mind sealed box award.
Palin, on the other hand, completely blew her interview, and it’s no wonder her handlers don’t want her in the spotlight. I would think anybody watching it would have been embarrassed for her. It was painful to watch, even if one is pulling for her. Kathleen Parker, I’m afraid, has it right: Sarah is out of her league; Obama is not.
All you CONs can take the day off Thursday night and Friday. I know what you’re gonna write:
“Biden was sexist in the way he beat up Palin in the debate, dazzling her with facts and logic and knowledge of the issues….”
All but the twice-born understand the Moose-Dresser to be out of her league on the presidential stage.
For Gosh sake lib Eagle, Palin has more experience than Biden and Obama combined. We also heard the same BS about Biden that he should step down. Palin will only grow stronger. The news media are doing everything they can trying to take this lady down. I saw the interview, I was ready to wring Couric painted neck and face. I think she did good in front of a lib interviewer trying to take her down. At least she doesn’t um, ah and Uh like Obama .Unfortunately the lib WE in the only paper in town. Otherwise it would be over and out.
“Obama boy will be the destroyer of the American dream.”
That is exactly right sunflower5, exactly right.
We all will be working like this for the rest of the world if Obama gets his way.
This is what he should be doing after the election.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l3SGJT0c5O4/SNkKNDBsUqI/AAAAAAAAAIY/-tAjPgNhUjk/s1600-h/shoeshine.jpg
And BlueJay, your comment, “How much is ENOUGH for you cons?”
That is absolutely none of your business, go earn your own living….oh, I forgot, you are nothing but a stinking parasite on those that do for themselves and their families.
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Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Like the little girl that didn’t get the pony for her birthday, partially employed columnist Kathleen Parker rails against Governor Sarah Palin.
After all, it’s about attitude isn’t it Ms. Parker? When is the last time you told a Governor of a state they weren’t ready or qualified to be President? Could it be that Ms. Parker doesn’t know how to measure success or stature unless it has a penis attached to it?
It appears that Ms. Parker has used the Couric standard as a caliper. I mean surely you jest, weren’t all the naysayers of Katie Couric saying the same thing when she was appointed the anchor of CBS news? Look at Katie Couric now. I mean Katie even has ‘epeen’ and can flop it out like a big dog in the men’s room of politics.
Perhaps this ‘penis envy’ syndrome of Governor Palin by Kathlenn Parker will pass as soon as the back order on that birthday pony comes in to settle old heart breaks.
Until then Kathleen Parker, “bless your wittle heart.” :)
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Well, reg, I guess you told her!!! Problem is, your rant makes about as much sense as Palin’s answers during the interview, “bless your wittle heart.”
Talk about “penis” envy.
“. He wants to increase taxes on anyone making over $250,000.”
Quite right and well we should.
How much is ENOUGH for you cons?
Blue Jay, I don’t know how much is enough for others. Many people making that much are small business owners employing others. Make them pay higher taxes and they are laying off employees or closing down business.
“george
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink
For Gosh sake lib Eagle, Palin has more experience than Biden and Obama combined. ”
Oh, that is right. I forgot that she was the governer of a state next to Russia. That must have been some good foreign diplomacy experience for her, living a short distance from Russia and all.
It is a stretch to call Kathleen Parker a “conservative” — she IS, frequently, a proponent of “stay at home mom’s” and does demand respect for such people.
Good for her!
But, that alone hardly makes her a strong, consistent conservative voice.
I think she speaks about family issued due to HER OWN, personal issues.
When you read her columns, try laying down on a couch, and imagine someone asking you, “How does that make you feel?”
“Parker’s column focuses on social issues related to family, children and gender. Having grown up in Florida with four stepmothers and a variety of siblings — half-, step- and whole — Parker says, “I know of what I speak.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/kathleenparker/archive.shtml
Parker is a woman that does not think women should work and raise kids at the same time.
“Deb
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink
Many people making that much are small business owners employing others. Make them pay higher taxes and they are laying off employees or closing down business.”
That is just not true. Do you seriously think that if a small business owner has his personal tax rate go from 25% to 28% they are going to lay off employees or close down the business?
If they are that tight on margin or cashflow, they probably won’t be in business much longer anyway and the ‘tax increase’ would just be a convenient excuse.
Has Palin told anyone in a wheelchair to, “Stand up”?
Biden has.
Has Palin said, publicly, that someone else would have been a better choice, for V.P.? Biden has said that Hillary would be better than Biden!
Biden has made far more gaffs than Palin and McCain combined!
Palin is MORE qualified than Obama.
“Parker added: “No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does.”
The choice of Palin is an insult to women. How many women in the GOP were better qualified but passed over? And lil Sarah was set at the head of a road that Senator Hillary Clinton and other women helped clear. SHE was given the chance to sneak the ball over the goal line. It’s condescending.
“Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
It is a stretch to call Kathleen Parker a “conservative”…
I think she speaks about family issued due to HER OWN, personal issues….
Parker is a woman that does not think women should work and raise kids at the same time.”
Dear Wichita Eagle:
Please close this blog thread and remove it from WEBlog. Parker is not a true conservative.
Thank you,
Concerned readers
“Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
Has Palin told anyone in a wheelchair to, “Stand up”?
Biden has.
Has Palin said, publicly, that someone else would have been a better choice, for V.P.? Biden has said that Hillary would be better than Biden!
Biden has made far more gaffs than Palin and McCain combined!”
So is volume of speaking gaffs the factor by which you decide who to vote for? I bet you can’t wait for Jerry Seinfeld to run then, eh?
“Palin is MORE qualified than Obama.” I missed how this sentence fit with the rest of your paragraph. Or is this how you end every paragraph?
Brian
Even many Democrats realize that capital gains tax rates should be LOWER than the standard rates.
Capital Gains come from investment in property. Investment creates jobs and is great for the economy. Such gains took place over several years, and it is not fair to “tax inflation” when those gains are realized. Also, Capital Gains taxes are, for the most part voluntary, as we can decide when, and if, to take a profit on any property or investment that we hold.
Lowering the Capital Gains tax rate always results in an INCREASE in tax revenue, for this very reason.
You are making the common liberal mistake of trying to divide the pie, without any thought about how to make the pie bigger.
Tax policy should promote economic growth.
Your idea would kill the economy, by locking up capital that people would not want to sell, for fear of taxes.
“BlueJay
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
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The choice of Palin is an insult to women. How many women in the GOP were better qualified but passed over?”
And for that matter, how many men were better qualified but passed over?
(Sexism is picking someone based on their gender rather than their qualifications and ability to succeed.)
This thread header comes to us from Kathleen Parker who is a columnist with the Washington Post Writers Group. In her column she used two quotes from two interviews Palin has given. Could someone / anyone translate either of these quotes into something clear, logical, understandable?
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Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity:
“Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”
When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Barack Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily:
“I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”
For country’s sake, Palin should drop out
Parker MEANS for the GOP’s sake, Palin should drop out.
The country will take care of keeping us safe from Palin and McCain.
Kathleen Parker is not looking at how badly the MSM edits interviews.
There have been a number of dumb things that both Obama and Biden have said, and the press protects them and does not broadcast those portions that might hurt the MSM’s favorite, annointed candidates.
The media does the opposite where Palin and McCain are concerned, editing out the best responses and trying to make the candidates that they don’t like, look bad.
This is the very reason that the Eagle, the NYT, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and other liberal news outlets are having a hard time.
Conservatives tend to care more about issues and real news. Conservatives are a large segment of the news market.
Keep it up, Eagle, you will go under just like the NYT will go under.
“Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
Brian
… Such gains took place over several years, and it is not fair to “tax inflation” when those gains are realized. Also, Capital Gains taxes are, for the most part voluntary, as we can decide when, and if, to take a profit on any property or investment that we hold.”
I am proposing that we tax all monetary income realized by a taxpayer at the same rate. Whether that income comes on a w-2 or a 1099 should make no difference. The inflation arguement could be used for anything. I make more money this year than last year, but do the same work, the only change is cost of living increase (inflationary gain) – should I pay tax on last year’s wages or this years?
“Lowering the Capital Gains tax rate always results in an INCREASE in tax revenue, for this very reason.
You are making the common liberal mistake of trying to divide the pie, without any thought about how to make the pie bigger.”
Your cause and effect relationship is spurious at best. Capital gains cuts are made at times when the economy is increasing so naturally there will be an increase in revenue. But, there is nothing you can show that indicates the increase in revenue is from capital gain revenue or caused by economic development spurred by lower capital gains rates. In a situation where cap gains are cut and revenue increases, revenue would have increased even more if cap gains had not been cut.
“Tax policy should promote economic growth.
Your idea would kill the economy, by locking up capital that people would not want to sell, for fear of taxes.”
False. People are not going to materially alter their behavior because their stock sales are taxed at 30% rather than 25%. Businesses are not going to layoff people because shareholders may have to pay higher rates if they sell their stock. Companies are not going to stop building new factories and expanding their product lines because their is a higher personal capital gains rate.
Fox is in on this conspiracy too! Just ask Franklin, he knows all about this conspiracy.
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Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity:
“Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”
Linda….anyone can take any quote without reference and make it sound nonsensical. She was clearly referring to an issue that you conveniently left out of the quote. Selective, editorial quoting does not make your case.
JD…Hillary came up with the 143 days back in May. I guess her staff counted up the number of days that Obama was actually on the floor/present over 2 years.
“Raptor
…Linda…….can take any …reference and make it ….Selective…”
I’m afraid what would happen if one of them chooses to drop, the other vp candidate will also choose to drop.
If McSame ditches Palin in one way or another, Obama will have the opportunity, and probably will NEED to get Hillary in his VP slot. Would that be historic in itself or what?
The USA cannot afford to have another bumbling fool in the White House like Palin. We cannot afford to have another republicon either.
Brian
Tax rates DO affect behavior.
You are a hopeless liberal, if you believe otherwise.
You are even out of step with many Democrats, JFK to begin with.
Besides, I am sure that we can find some “tax incentives” and “tax credits” that you support.
Do you like the idea of a tax credit for wind or solar energy?
Why?
Did you not just tell us that people do not make decisions based on taxes?
Obama is a bumbling fool.
Vote McCain!
There are plenty of liberal columnists who have voiced concerns about Obama and Biden, but the Eagle will never run those columns.
DOESNT ANYBODY CARE THAT PALIN WANTS ALASKA TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION? HOW PATRIOTIC IS THAT? GOD HELP US IF MCCAIN CROAKS!!!
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kathi
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
DOESNT ANYBODY CARE THAT PALIN WANTS ALASKA TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION? HOW PATRIOTIC IS THAT? GOD HELP US IF MCCAIN CROAKS!!!
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Then there are troll idiots…
Franklin,
Here is what I said:
“People are not going to materially alter their behavior because their stock sales are taxed at 30% rather than 25%.”
Tax credits and incentives are created directly to drive behavior. The tax RATE is not. Note the difference before responding again.
“Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
There are plenty of liberal columnists who have voiced concerns about Obama and Biden, but the Eagle will never run those columns.”
Yes, the Eagle is part of the great liberal consipiracy to install Obama as the liberal puppet president and force liberalism onto every man woman and child in the US. Become a liberal or face the waterboard!
Just after the debate last night, CNN had Joe Biden on.
They invited Sarah Palin too. No show.
“BlueJay
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Just after the debate last night, CNN had Joe Biden on.
They invited Sarah Palin too. No show.”
As Gomer Pyle would say “Surprise, surprise, surprise”
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Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink
Obama is a bumbling fool.
Vote McCain!
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Regular
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink
Then there are troll idiots…
Raptor,
Please. Watch any of the many youtube versions of Palin’s interview with Couric. She was completely pathic – her verbage sounded like “word salad”. My favorite scenes are where Couric is looking at Palin like she might be psychotic.
Raptor, used to have a small degree of respect for ya, but anymore you are sounding as pathetically partisan as Paul F. Rossell. We already have one those, don’t need any more.
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brian_nuevo
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink
“Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
There are plenty of liberal columnists who have voiced concerns about Obama and Biden, but the Eagle will never run those columns.”
Yes, the Eagle is part of the great liberal consipiracy to install Obama as the liberal puppet president and force liberalism onto every man woman and child in the US. Become a liberal or face the waterboard!
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brian, you know the real reason the ultra-liberal Eagle and the rest of the ultra-liberal press want Obama in is because he is a Muslim terrorist, born in Africa; and the ultra-liberal press want us all to convert to the Muslim terrorist philosophy. I know I’m buying me a compass, so I can bow to the East every morning, right after I have my morning coffee. Which hand am I supposed to wipe my ass with? Gotta know those things.
“Yes, the Eagle is part of the great liberal consipiracy to install Obama as the liberal puppet president and force liberalism onto every man woman and child in the US. Become a liberal or face the waterboard!”
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You forgot the forcing of Islam, too. LOL!
Sunflower the right winger says: “Obama boy”
Talk about tone deaf.
Then there’s this:
“kathi
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
“DOESNT ANYBODY CARE THAT PALIN WANTS ALASKA TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION? HOW PATRIOTIC IS THAT? GOD HELP US IF MCCAIN CROAKS!!!
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“Then there are troll idiots…”
I’d say takes one to know one, but I have to agree with Reg’s analysis here, so what does that say about me? ;-)
Sarah Palin’s performance with Couric was indeed embarrassing, but people should keep in mind that one common technique in presidential campaigns is to drive down expectations for their candidate so that the simple appearance of minimal competence comes off as masterful. And Biden, sorry to say, is no master debater himself.
Steven,
“Completely pathetic?”
If you really want to attack others for being partisan, perhaps you should try not sounding so over the top partisan yourself.
I think she could have answered the questions a little bit better and didn’t give an A+ performance by any standards, but “completely pathetic?”
No. Perhaps it is you who should consider being less partisan.
Protesters Tell Palin To Go Home
A few hundred protesters lined the streets of downtown Philadelphia as Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin visited an Irish bar before Friday night’s debate.
They held signs and chanted “Sarah Go Home”.
Wearing a red Phillies jacket and jeans, Palin chatted and signed autographs with the Republicans who’d gathered to watch the face-off between John McCain and his Democratic rival, Barack Obama.
Palin left before the debate began, and didn’t say where she planned to watch it.
(Watch the video)
http://www.wgrz.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=60983&provider=gnews
Biden’s pretty good, actually, if the standard by which you judge his performance is the same by which you judge Palin’s. Which is to say that if it’s superficial enough (ie, appearances and zeitgeist count most: it ain’t what they say but how they say it…this is the normal POTUS debate standard, btw, as sad as it is).
Biden will do fine. Palin is a brave woman, she’ll be ok too. Where she’ll lose the debate will be that it’s obvious she’s out of her league. This is patently obvious to everybody but a die-hard Obama hater.
I think she means to say “For the Democrats sake, Palin should drop out.” I for one can’t wait to see her and Biden debate next week. I think if I were Biden, I’d be worried. As for her not being prepared to run for VP, she is just as prepared as Biden if not more.
btw – I think McCain kicked Obama’s butt in the debate last night. He had Obama on the defensive practically the whole time. And it was obvious that Obama just mainly repeated the same old talking points that we hear on the MSM news and radio talk shows and even what we ourselves say on these blogs. However, McCain brought some substance and intelligence to the floor when he spoke about these countries and how they interact and what would be the best strategies and tactics with each one. He was amazing!!! I don’t think Obama even knew about these countries so he just went back to the same old talking points.
If I were the democrats, I’d be worried about next week’s VP debate too since their boy Obama didn’t do too well last night. No wonder you’re all wanting Palin to drop out.
In addition, wasn’t it amazing how McCain WAS able to do 2 things at the same time, working on a solution for the economy and showing up at the debate and Obama was only doing the one thing, running his campaign, which by the way has been most of his experience in the Senate. Sure he made his brief appearance but then left as soon as he could.
I guess they’re calling last night’s debate a big win for Obama. By the standard above, McCain probably lost it when it the television format made bizarre McCain’s refusal to look Obama in the eye. What was up with that?
Thursday’s Biden/Palin debate should seal the deal. Unless Palin gets a brain transplant or finds a good beta blocker she’ll seal up the GOP coffin all on her own.
I believe the party’s over for the GOP.
REGULAR YOU ARE A SICK @#**
kathi
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink
REGULAR YOU ARE A SICK @#**
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He’s a dipsh*t. You have to remind him of that regularly. I’m not kidding, it actually does him some good. He just tends to forget that he’s a dipsh*t.
Just call him a dipsh*t now and then and he’ll straighten up.
Did I miss something here, but where is a post from Regular at?
Regular
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink
“REGULAR YOU ARE A SICK @#**”
Give it up. Regular’s a professional. You are a transparent amateur. Normally, I don’t violate my personal rule of not feeding trolls (especially ones so transparent as you), but this spectacle is just sorry, and I couldn’t resist giving you some friendly advice.
From here on, my respose will be the same that I give the pro Regular when he is at his (professionally) trollish worst:
Re: Kathi
DNFTT
Unless you really, really surprise me.
Hang in there Palin, the Dems. need you!
“He’s a dipsh*t. You have to remind him of that regularly. I’m not kidding, it actually does him some good. He just tends to forget that he’s a dipsh*t.”
He’s a troll. Therefore, calling him a dipsh*t in response to him is reinforcing to him.
And in this case, I think you are corresponding with another troll (they can come in all political varieties).
Helluva dilemma McCain and his impulsive nature put himself in.
Palin stays on the ticket: McCain begins a slow tank, at a rate that can be influenced by Obama.
Palin leaves the ticket: McCain loses 49 states, maybe even Arizona.
McCain fires Palin: McCain loses 50 states.
This is so bad for McCain that Obama may be able to give some of his cash up to Democrat congressional candidates.
So is anyone really surprised by the Borg Hunter’s commentary here (which has nothing in common with how the debate actually seems to have been percieved by the audience at large?). Must be that dastardly main stream media projecting subliminally into the brains of the hapless audience.
Actually, I think the debate was not a particularly good showing for either candidate, but that’s just me.
For a clear headed analysis of the truthful MERITS of what was said, see here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html
Agnatha
Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink
He’s a troll. Therefore, calling him a dipsh*t in response to him is reinforcing to him.
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Even dipsh*ts need some love now and then.
Amazing having this thread this morning after McCain did very well against the more ‘articulate’ Obama. Palin will do well. To those of us that have watched politics for years this debate was a draw. McCain made one very important point that BJ and Neuvo have pointed out the truth of.
Corporations don’t have to remain in the US. They can take their tax dollars whereever they want. If they can pay 11% in Ireland and 35% here where would a smart buisnessman go.
Brainy Brian pointed out that any business that can’t pay 3% more isn’t long for this world anyway. This is the true sign of an idiot and he and BJ share that honor.
You have it and I want it!
Jobs are going away. Obama’s plan – make the corporate environment less business friendly. I could point out several other 143 day mistakes this man has made but I’ll just say Palin will do just fine.
Libs you had better wake up and stop worrying about the VP. Your man Obama isn’t a heartbeat away he is your heartbeat.
Those of you who are crowing about Palin now being a drag on the ticket.
Wait. Ever hear of the rope a dope?
I do think that the Republicans have cynically invoked media bias as a protection for Palin’s weaknesses, but this woman is no dummy, and they will have her prepared for the debate. Furthermore, it has been documented time and again that vice-presidential debates (or for that matter presidential debates) do not necessarily favor the person who comes off as better prepared, they favor the person who comes across as more “natural” and nicer. Sadly, I do think that’s what favored Obama (and for that matter, Edwards over Cheney). With Biden, he is going to have to avoid looking like Senator Bully to the “nice fiesty lady” from up north even when she gives him an opening. It will be a tightrope folks, and if Palin tanks in the debate, it will be because SHE tanks in the debate, not because Biden was able to have “gotcha” moments. Biden will have to avoid responding to invitations from the moderator to go after his opponent.
Agnatha already telling us why your boy will tank. Got it covered either way don’t you?
You are indeed the party of dims. I’ll wait for the real election. The polls really has decided the last two haven’t they?
Will we have a bash Palin thread everyday until the debate?
okobserver
Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink
Will we have a bash Palin thread everyday until the debate?
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Probably so, until Palin gets out in front of the MSM and protects herself.
What is she hiding from?
“Corporations don’t have to remain in the US. They can take their tax dollars whereever they want. If they can pay 11% in Ireland and 35% here where would a smart buisnessman go.”
Let ‘em go and good riddance.
Then, forbid them to sell in the US.
I know you are not part of this equation okobserver. You exploit prison labor for a living.
“…still, a man sees what he wants to see
and disregards the rest. Lie lie lie…” — Paul Simon, “The Boxer”
Even with his $5,000 make-up artist, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) looked like Fred Mertz trying to chase kids off his lawn.
McCoot kept turning back to scripted lines from his stump speeches. Obama seemed to deal with the questions and issues as they were presented.
I saw some polling that said about 35% thought Obama, 40% thought it was a tie, and around 25% gave it to the codger.
That’s in no way good for McSame.
Those pro-McBush scores are positively… well, Bushian.
He needed to hit one outta the park. He went one-for-three with a bloop single to right.
The next debate will be the Moose-Dresser trying to shore up the Republic Party ticket.
I’m on record and I’ll repeat it, after Thursday’s debate the CONs will attack Biden for “beating up on a girl.”
Here’s a line I want to hear from Biden:
“I knew Dan Quayle.
Dan Quayle was a colleague of mine in the Senate.
And you, madam, are no Dan Quayle.
You have the potential, but you’re not up to it yet.”
“Conservative columnist and Sarah Palin fan Kathleen Parker has reluctantly concluded that Palin is “clearly out of her league” and should step down.”
Hmmmm I wonder.
IS Kathy lighting a back fire with this?
She doesn’t lose or risk anything going here. Before the fact it’s damage control. But it leaves wiggle room.
IF Palin is not completely destroyed in the debate, it leaves room to claim that in not totally losing, she wins.
Playing down expectations?
BlueJay
Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink
“Corporations don’t have to remain in the US. They can take their tax dollars whereever they want. If they can pay 11% in Ireland and 35% here where would a smart buisnessman go.”
Let ‘em go and good riddance.
Then, forbid them to sell in the US.
I know you are not part of this equation okobserver. You exploit prison labor for a living.
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BJ you are even more ignorant than I give you credit for and I give you a full load of credit. Look at this fool – he wants someone like himself to run our country. Losing jobs is ok with him. People like him vote. Oh I seriously doubt there is anyone else like blowhard JR.
goodday JR. Enjoy you poor pathetic existence I have a life to live. BTW are you suggesting that work release men and women don’t deserve a chance in the job market? Even more ignorance.
In other news, okobserver blew up today.
The detonation occurred at 11:26 AM and could be heard several blocks from ground zero.
For our country’s sake, they all should drop out. Maybe it will be a good thing for this country to go to Hell. Then we can see the two-party’s people true colors. We are a laughing stock, thanks for that you libs and cons, you.
I wonder if Biden will use the phrase “clean and articulate” in the debate? :D
The “Jawless Fish” appears to be gumming on the meat of political indecision today. Perhaps he’ll put his teeth in, when it comes time for the debate. :)
“BlueJay” offers –
“…forbid them to sell in the US.”
And that brings on an interesting wrinkle.
Until the 16th Amendment, the major source of federal funding was tariffs and duties. They protected American business from predatory trade from overseas.
That pretty much throws a wrench into the concept of free trade.
19th Century protectionism probably isn’t viable these days. It wasn’t viable in 1913. But after we’ve seen the Law of Unintended Consequences enforced after NAFTA, some protectionism might be a consideration.
Sadly I think too many in the USA are so lazy that they think so what, let the socialists have it…then they won’t have to w-o-r-k as hard or worry about much because no one will own anything anymore to worry ABOUT.
Misery loves company and the class envy thing has taken hold. We all need to be little sunshine families living on communes and sharing the wealth.
Too bad we can’t provide them with a virtual reality of that for a year just to show them how it’s NOT “groovy” and ultimately never works.
Or better yet if only we could just round them up and give them a one way ticket to Russia since that’s the lifestyle they think is so perfect.
“Boxlock” –
Why is it you
fascistsCONs always seem to revert to “round them up…”?And do try to keep up. Russia these days is a libertarian dream land, funded by petroleum and greed with not much governmental oversight.
It’s really odd to read you CONs’ posts based on how you “love” America, but hate more than 50% of Americans. How does that work, anyway?
Yeah.
Go ahead and try to “round us up.” Put us on cattle cars. Send us to camp.
You’ve got all the guns (you think).
You can do it in your sleep. (which is when you do your best thinking; in dream land)
Some of Palin comments was edited out by CBS just like ABC did. I want the full unedited stories, not cuts to make the news media look good. Here is a link, stating what I just said.
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/2887-CBS-News-Erases-Moderate-Quotes-from-Palin-Transcript.html
The war for oil has cost my community $131,000,000(million) how about yours?
For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
*42,095 People with Health Care for One Year OR
*135,509 Homes with Renewable Electricity for One Year OR
*3,118 Public Safety Officers for One year OR
*2,867 Music and Arts Teachers for One Year OR
*21,393 Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
*1,582 Affordable Housing Units OR
*75,900 Children with Health Care for One Year OR
*21,782 Head Start Places for Children for One Year OR
*2,831 Elementary School Teachers for One Year
What could those same tax dollars have done for your community?
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
The war is breaking the bank at $10,000,000,000 per month a valid point made by Obama for 2008 YES!
george
Posted September 27, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
Some of Palin comments was edited out by CBS just like ABC did. I want the full unedited stories, not cuts to make the news media look good.
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Ok, in the interest of playing along, let’s just dip our toes in lala land for a minute and put aside Occam’s razor (you guys prefer to believe in some vast MSM conspiracy against Palin even though a much simpler explanation exists, namely that when Palin speaks it becomes clear in about two seconds that Palin just isn’t ready for national office).
Assuming the MSM is conspiring against Palin, then Palin needs to get out in front of the news more often. Right? She needs to get out ahead of the news cycle and define herself and her message before the vast MSM conspiracy gets its claws in her. After all, the more she says on the record the more likely the views in your link would be more widely known. Right?
Thing is, I don’t see her on ANY news much, and she’s made some of most egregious gaffes when right wing hacks like Sean Hannity have thrown softballs her way. Hell, let her talk to Limbaugh, to Hannity, to Robertson, etc. A videotape is a videotapel Why isn’t she doing even THAT much?!?
ANS: because she’s clear, direct, unassuming, and by her nature she tells the truth. Unfortunately for her, the truth she would tell is that she ain’t ready for national office. She can’t help it, it just comes right out.
Human nature is amazing. I guess yall are so emotionally invested in Obama’s loss that you’ll go straight down a rabbit hole if you have to (a vast MSM conspiracy).
Personally, I have to wonder about this pre-conceived notion that Palin need only be a “nice lady” and not appear completely clueless to win the debate.
Obviously, if Biden is downright nasty and in constant attack mode, that’s a mistake, no matter who the opponent. But are we really still living in a time where a woman politician can play that damsel-in-distress game, and get away with it? Even accounting for the huge number of stupid sexist people out there, I have my doubts.
Does anyone remember the Bush/Ferraro debate?
Having a little tantrum there Monkey? Good!
Ha, usually that’s because you’ve had a nerve hit because something was said that was right on target.
I do love America, the part that works and doesn’t want to steal from those that have a good work ethic.
I love it…you say, “And do try to keep up. Russia these days is a libertarian dream land”, and that’s because they lived through a highly socialist, communist system and it failed, big time. So what do uneducatable jerks like you want to do….the the very same thing.
I wouldn’t round you up, that was a figure of speech, but I certainly would like to provide you the means to leave and not come back, as opposed to having to provide for you panty-waste socialists.
Yeah, well, “Boxlock” –
There was a time when “the Final Solution” was just a figure of speech.
kathi
You are wrong.
Palin is not pushing for Alaska to be independent.
Palin has never belonged to the Alaska Independence Party.
However, that party does have strong support.
That party DOES endorse candidates.
Many Alaskans, of both the Democrat and Republican Party, have things in common with the Alaska Independence Party.
The former Lt. Governor of Alaska was endorsed by the AIP, and welcomed that endorsement!
You are listening to “astroturff” advertising put out by the political hacks at the “Winner” group. This false advertising is done in secret, and they try to make it look “grassroots” but they got caught doing it.
The Winner family, and their PR firm, work closely with David Axelrod, Obama’s campaign manager.
By the way, Obama had several friends in Hawaii that supported the Hawaian Independence Movement.
The Hawaii Independence Movement has been far more violent than anything that has happened, in Alaska.
brian
You are wrong.
Tax rates ARE set to drive behavior.
Heckler
Posted September 27, 2008 at 7:09 am | Permalink
Palins problem is she must stay on McCains message not Palins message. So she’s stuck holding to his talking points. They need to turn her loose with her own message. But that aint gonna happen.
And Palin’s message is what? She is a maverick that took on her own people and rooted them out and replaced them with her own people who were not qualified to do their jobs? She stated she wanted to cooperate in the Troopergate investigation and now she, her husband and the rest of her aides are not willing to testify?
She promises transparencey in all she does and says her life is an open book but yet when pressed for questions – she cries that the media is picking on her because she is a woman?
And the kicker to the whole message is that Palin is a foreign relations expert because Russia is her next door neighbor. How priceless.
Thanks, but no thanks. We don’t need that message.
Democrats caused the financial crises.
When we get this legislation settled, McCain and Palin will be free to point out this fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
The Hawaii Independence Movement has been far more violent than anything that has happened, in Alaska.
Care to share your source on that one Paul???
I see you’re putting your time in for those 30 pieces of silver today.
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink
Democrats caused the financial crises.
When we get this legislation settled, McCain and Palin will be free to point out this fact
And McCain’s campaign adviser who was working for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had nothing to do with it?
Yeah, the Republicans were in charge and they have dirty hands – you cannot get away from this one.
Do I think all Democrats are clean in this – no. But you assume that all Republicans are clean and they are not!
Let’s just find out who did what and when they did it. But, that would mean an investigation and we all know that Palin will not cooperate in any investigation and McCain will be napping during his.
Franklin=tool
Palin=toast
Franklin posted September 27, 2008 at 9:21 am
“It is a stretch to call Kathleen Parker a “conservative” — she IS, frequently, a proponent of “stay at home mom’s” and does demand respect for such people.”
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Parker is a woman that does not think women should work and raise kids at the same time.”
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econ, so proponents of “stay at home mom’s” are not “conservatives”?
And econ, please explain your post, considering Parker’s “delighted” initial support.
‘KATHLEEN PARKER: FOR SAKE OF COUNTRY, PALIN NEEDS TO DROP OUT’
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/542893.html
“When Palin first emerged as McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.
It was fun while it lasted.”
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More at link about Parker’s earlier hopes that Palin would be successful.
Palin answering reporter’s questions. . .
The two re terrorism were shallow, and very canned. The best way to stop terrorism is with intelligence, and cooperation from foreign countries.
No answer re voting for Young and Stevens?
No thoughts about the bailout, except have McCain’s provisions? Which are about the same as Obama’s provisions.
‘Palin takes questions from press corps for first time’
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/
mom
This link, alone, shows that there is a rather radical Hawaii Indpendence Movment:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/HAWAII/hawaii.html?q=HAWAII/hawaii.html
Communist Frank Davis was one of Obama’s buds, in Hawaii.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/23/the-trojan-candidate/
Communist Frank Davis supported the overthrow of the United States Government.
Frank Davis, in Hawaii, is FAR more radical than anything the Alaska Independence Movement supports.
And, PALIN NEVER BELONGED TO THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT!
mom
You are ridiculous.
Obama is up to his neck in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
McCain has campaign workers who once worked for lobbying firms who had Fannie and Freddie as clients.
McCain does not have any current, or former REGISTERED LOBBYISTS of Fannie or Freddie or Countrywide or Lehman etc on his staff.
On the other hand, Obama has disgraced former CEO’s of Fannie and Freddie as close advisors.
Even Franklin Raines, who settled with the SEC and had to pay back millions in bonus money he looted from Fannie Mae!
“And, PALIN NEVER BELONGED TO THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT!”
True. But, Alaska co-governor, Todd Palin, belonged.
Resorting to all cap posting… a sure sign of Franklin’s fear.
The Congressional Black Caucus to Fannie Mae:
“We are Family”
Fannie Mae to the Congressional Black Caucus, “You are the Conscience of Fannie Mae”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0
Daniel Mudd said this, begging for help from liberals in Congress, AFTER Franklin Raines was forced out, under financial scandals.
“McCain has campaign workers who once worked for lobbying firms who had Fannie and Freddie as clients.”
As recently as last month, McCain campaign guru, Rick Davis’s lobbying firm, received $15,000 from Freddie Mac.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/davis-busted-again-mccain_n_129165.html
Full Truth = A foreign concept to Paul F. Rossell
Dear handlers of Franklin,
I was a supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton. When she could not be the nominee, I was committed to not voting or maybe even voting for McCain.
Franklin has helped me realize that I MUST vote for Senator Barack Obama.
Nathaniel posted September 27, 2008 at 10:45 am
“I think she could have answered the questions a little bit better and didn’t give an A+ performance by any standards, but “completely pathetic?”
No. Perhaps it is you who should consider being less partisan.”
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Only a “little bit better”, Nathaniel? Note that Palin had days to think of a “little bit better” answer to this.
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Couric: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It’s funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don’t know, you know … reporters.
Couric: Mocked?
Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.
Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.
Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our next-door neighbours are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of.
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Franklin (aka econ),
Are you going to answer my question?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/for-countrys-sake-palin-should-drop-out/#comment-433922
Ouch. . .!
‘The question is: Can Palin give a coherent answer?‘
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/race-for-whitehouse/the-question-is-can-palin-give-a-coherent-answer-944060.html
‘Palin Is Ready? Please.
McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, that is simply not true‘
http://www.newsweek.com/id/161204
Ah, the cosmos entry of the day…
Like a melted “Gumby” stuck on the shelf below the rear window of a car, cosmos oozes fractured thought and scattered reverberations of Freudian interludes with amphibian ‘fly catching’ utilizing the flaccid tongue of early dementia.
I will be looking forward to Saturday Night Live this evening.
Palin is SUCH a hoot that comedienne Tina Fey could make a fortune making fun of her.
A little secret for Franklin…
Shhh… don’t tell anyone, but wherever there are lot of dollar bills hanging out, you will see politicians in that same place, both Democrat and Republican.
“Regular” offers –
Like a melted “Gumby” stuck on the shelf below the rear window of a car, cosmos oozes fractured thought and scattered reverberations of Freudian interludes with amphibian ‘fly catching’ utilizing the flaccid tongue of early dementia.
That might be the most logical contribution you’ve ever shared on this forum, “Regular.”
But what would you write if you weren’t on acid?
“Like a melted “Gumby” stuck on the shelf below the rear window of a car, cosmos oozes fractured thought and scattered reverberations of Freudian interludes with amphibian ‘fly catching’ utilizing the flaccid tongue of early dementia.”
Say what you may about old James, he does come up with some “creative” insults. Some make more sense than others.
Palin seems to have mostly ignored Russia.
‘Are Russian ties a Palin priority?‘
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008174647_palinrussia12m0.html
“Palin — unlike the previous administrations of Gov. Frank Murkowski and Gov. Tony Knowles — also stopped sending representatives to Northern Forum’s annual meetings, including one last year for regional governors held in the heart of Russia’s oil territory.
“It was an opportunity for the Alaska governor to take a delegation of business leaders to the largest oil-producing region in Russia, and she would have been shaking hands with major leaders in Russia,” Wohl said.”
Steve..as if I care what you think of me? You are an extreme leftist who has proven you don’t care for any facts whatsoever.
I was simply pointing out how Lindy took a couple sentences without any reference and tried to use that as a case. Poor debating tactics is what I was demonstrating…nothing partisan about that at all.
typo: “Linda”
BlueJay
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
In other news, okobserver blew up today.
The detonation occurred at 11:26 AM and could be heard several blocks from ground zero
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BJ I choose not to debate with fools. It is never productive. You showed all of us your true metal when you talked as you did about our work release employees. We pay them well, give them benefits, a chance to get valuable work experience and you belittle us for that. You are a pathetic buffoon who is very hung up on who you are and what you will or won’t do and how special you are because you won’t work for ‘the man’.
Well BJ your arrogant remarks about the work release program show you up for the intolernant slob you are. You see I look at people and see their potential if given a hand up. You and your son look at people and see labels. Bi, convicts, etc…
You live off the hard work of others who do hold down jobs and pay taxes. You send your son to a school that you don’t think you owe anything for. You drive on city streets. Use a library, if you are capable of reading, that is paid for out of tax dollars and everyday brag that you can take on anyone this blog. Idiot.
You arent’ worth the time it took me to respond so as linda would say I will no longer be answering any of your posts.
Keep looking for my private information because it gives your poor pathetic existence a reason for being.
Raptor,
How would you describe these answers by Palin?
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Couric: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It’s funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don’t know, you know … reporters.
Couric: Mocked?
Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.
Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.
Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our next-door neighbours are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of.
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Note that as Gov of Alaska, she mostly ingored Russia.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/for-countrys-sake-palin-should-drop-out/#comment-433939
And remember that Palin has a journalism degree.
“Palin has proven herself just fine. Besides a few pundits here and there and all the damn liberals, I don’t know of anyone that doesn’t like Palin or wants to see her quit.
LOL! How out of touch can you get, Nathan!
I’m sure McCain is really regretting his choice for VP as I wirte this…she’s a moron!
Raptor,
Appreciate you showing your true self and not hiding behind very weak mask of non-partisan objectivity. Anyone who has read more than two of your posts knows where you are coming from.
If you can refute what I post, go for it, chump.
As far as this goes:
“Steve..as if I care what you think of me? You are an extreme leftist who has proven you don’t care for any facts whatsoever.”
Your proof of that would be what exactly? Pretty far reach, I’d say, even for you.
okobserve,
We’ve both come to realize that while we would like to think there is some good in every individual and we should try to look for and appreciate that, BlueJay will never be anything better than sewer scum.
Now back to serious matters.
Biden’s dilemma in debating Palin is – 1) beat her up to much and that is a problem, 2) don’t beat her up enough and she wins!
Number 2 is possible because the expections for her are so low.
Biden need not be aggressive, Leherer will tear her to shreds just by asking questions!
Biden could just make corrections.
Mccain was expecting applause after mentioning his ‘maverick’ partner, I think he even paused for it, forgot where he was at.
Run, Sarah, Run!
Before the debate next Thursday, maybe we should all remember Campbell Brown’s words — Free Sarah Palin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyzYEMjiGxY
Frankln: There is a bit of an indepenence movement from Claifornia right up the Artic. Folks in Oregon, Washington, Alaska, British Columbia, Alberta, the Yukon to some degree Montana and Wyoming talk about a political entity called Cascadia. It cropped up on the 70’s and has never gone completely away.
Linda is posting links. *shock*
More Palin attacks from the WE Blog.
I’m surprised!
I don’t think Lehrer is the moderator for the VP debate. Isn’t it Gwen Ifill?
MaxGrobnik posted September 27, 2008 at 4:15 pm
“More Palin attacks from the WE Blog.
I’m surprised!”
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Actually, it’s an attack from Kathleen Parker.
Header:
“Conservative columnist and Sarah Palin fan Kathleen Parker has reluctantly concluded that Palin is “clearly out of her league” and should step down.”
Can McCain just replace Palin with Miss South Carolina?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
“The “Jawless Fish” appears to be gumming on the meat of political indecision today. Perhaps he’ll put his teeth in, when it comes time for the debate.” :)
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.
Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our next-door neighbours are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of.
(snort!)
Actually it’s an attack posted by the WE Blog.
And she even has a journalism degree. . .
Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our next-door neighbours are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of.
“ABOUT
WE Blog is a forum for The Wichita Eagle’s editorial page staff and readers to discuss local, state and national issues.”
The more the Press Pounces on Palin, the more likely people are to vote FOR her.
Just like the $700+ Billion Bailout. The more Government & the Press push for this bailout, the more likely the People are to Resist having this shoved down their throats.
Except for the Sheeple, they will obey. Simply following their party’s orders.
Baaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duh Cosmos. When your teleprompter links are missing, you really show your lack of brain power.
The WE Blog CHOSE to post this topic Attacking Palin.
What kind of person thinks that Palin has foreign policy credentials because of this statement?
Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our next-door neighbours are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of.
The WE Blog refuses to post another topic on the Tiahrt Amendment, in spite of my requests.
The WE Blog attacked the 2nd Amendment monthly, until they figured out they better back off prior to the elections – lest they expose Obama’s (and The Eagle’s) gun ban agenda.
MaxGrobnik posted September 27, 2008 at 4:36 pm
“The WE Blog CHOSE to post this topic Attacking Palin.”
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Because most coverage of Palin is attacking her.
Duh Cosmos.
Now you are getting it.
Most coverage of the Jews in Germany 70 years ago was attacking them.
Most coverage of Global Warming is promoting it.
Just because 10,000 Frenchmen say so, doesn’t make it true.
MaxGrobnik,
Then defend Palin yourself.
For example, explain to us how her being Gov of Alaska enhances her foreign policy credentials.
Palin: “Well, it certainly does, because our next-door neighbours are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of.”
cosmos, do not feed the spam troll.
MaxGrobnik,
Legislation in Congress re drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would open up 1.5 million acres.
Defend Sarah Palin’s false claim that only a “little 2,000-acre plot” would be opened.
Agnatha,
But it’s so much fun. . .
A campaign tactic the McCain team is using is……
….. wait for it…..,
………………………..lying.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/24/mccain_letters/
The real Palin Problem is that any woman qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency would be totally unacceptable to a large segment of the GOP.
As a result, all the truly qualified women have gone elsewhere.
Obama clearly the winner last night:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080927/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_debate_polls_2
From Phantom’s link:
“Seventy-eight percent said McCain is prepared to be president, about the same proportion of uncommitted voters as said so before the debate. Sixty percent said Obama is ready — a lower score than McCain, but a solid 16-percentage-point improvement from before the debate.”
Sounds about right to me. That’s why these kinds of debates are so important to candidates. Guy like Obama, with two decades less exposure in the national press than McCain, you can just see the stature accumulate in the public eye.
Palin could get the same kind of bump if she doesn’t pull a Couric or a Hannity or a Gibson, say something completely incoherent, and make the voter go “wow, that woman is George W Bush redux, and McCain PICKED her?!?”
That would be fatal for sure. I don’t think America is looking for a third Bush term.
What was up with McCain’s refusal to look Obama in the eye? That was incredibly, incredibly stupid of him. It ain’t that easy to make Obama look like the less elitist candidate in any group of two candidates, but McCain still found a way to do it!
McCain/Palin, that ticket is toast.
It’s only going to get better from here.
I predict palin will do a lot of beating the bush and saying nothing, after a couple requests and attempts to redirect, the questioner will be forced to move on to the next question. It won’t be pretty.
And, is she answers by purring JOOOEEEEEy.
steven…here is a thought. why not get a life instead of judging people here and interpreting their motives?
You people act like the words typed here really make a difference somehow. News flash..they don’t make a hill of beans difference in anything. So, judge away…uncover secret motives. Me…I have a life and really don’t care what you think.
Thanks, Raptor. I will follow your example of never judging people here. Yeah, right, flaming hypocrite…
Check this out. And remember before you say, “oh, it’s the National Enquirer” – they were right about John Edwards.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/national_enquirer_world_exclusive_sarah_palins_secret_lover_revealed/celebrity/65481
“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she real ized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.
“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”
lol
Damn feelings!
I thought feelings are a Democrat thing!!!
Y’all haven’t posted the Very Best of the Palin-Couric interview. It was the last question and answer.
Couric: I’m just going to ask you one more time – not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.
Palin: I’ll try to find you some and I’ll bring them to you. (Or in Sarah-talk… I’ll try to find ya sum and I’ll bring ‘em to ya… See the video.)
You just don’t get it, do you? I made an earlier observation about some gaps in reasoning, and you turn it into a personal attack. Now you are making personal insults, which if you bother to notice you will see that I have refrained from doing, except for labelling you as the extremist you are, which is not a personal insult, just a fact.
“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.
Clearly she was just giving Brad a ‘loyalty test’ to see if he could be trusted.
I think the RW will forgive her, if she doesn’t publicly lie,(or is it lye?) about it.
How many women came forward claiming an affair with B. Clinton?
If the story is true, she showed poor judgement, or a disregard of her family’s interest, for political power/money.
She’s probably out next time she runs for gov., those former okie Pentacostals, don’t like that stuff.
“You showed all of us your true metal when you talked as you did about our work release employees.”
Go get a post where I said anything negative about the poor people you exploit while you blog here. I was judging YOU, not them. I feel sorry for them. But then, you were just getting warmed up…
“Well BJ your arrogant remarks about the work release program show you up for the intolernant slob you are. ”
I haven’t posted a single word about work release.
I suggested that you were exploiting a labor pool that has little choice but to as you say on pain of going back to jail.
And as we see here, you ARE defensive about that to the point of irrational. Imagining I have posted things that I have not.
Hey since your imagination is running? Why not halucinate further?
“You live off the hard work of others who do hold down jobs and pay taxes. ”
Nope. And it is harder working on your own than it is reporting to some tin pot martinet like yourself.
“You and your son look at people and see labels. Bi, convicts, etc…”
Oh PURE BS unless you count cons and Republicans other assorted human garbage. I’ve said NOTHING about convicts. “Bi” is only a label to someone like YOU. For me and my son it is a sexual orientation that should not be held against the person with it.
“You arent’ worth the time it took me to respond so as linda would say I will no longer be answering any of your posts.”
That would be fine with me. But I doubt you can hold to it. You post on or about me on threads where I am not even participating. I think you are one mean, bitter old crone with a fixation on convincing yourself how much better you are than me, or anyone else for that matter.
“Keep looking for my private information…”
Don’t flatter yourself madame. I spent exactly zero effort learning a little more about your high and haughty self. Better know my enemies ya know?
Now take a big dose of get over yourself and DON’T call me in the morning!
P.S. You’re beautiful when you are disintegrating!
If the story is true, she showed poor judgement, or a disregard of her family’s interest, for political power/money.
And B. Clinton gets a pass. Got it.
For me and my son it is a sexual orientation that should not be held against the person with it.
But it sure seemed important for you and your son to point it out.
I call BS.
Maybe she can claim it happened before her preacher exorcised her from the spell of witches. The RW would buy into that!
“But it sure seemed important for you and your son to point it out. ”
Nice try at taking me out of context.
I mentioned that my son has a friend who is not ashamed of admitting that she is “bi”. My son was not judging her and neither was I.
I mentioned it to point out how far tolerance has brought our society forward and to comment on how much better people are kids will be for it.
Now if my son had a friend who was a proud young Republican (as I once was) that I would have issues with!
Enough with distraction. I want to have my attention undivided when flailin’ Palin augers in upside down and on fire!
Tina Fey? No mercy!
SolDevVB
Posted September 27, 2008 at 6:32 pm | Permalink
How many women came forward claiming an affair with B. Clinton?
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Point taken.
However, common law seems to apply here.
Here’s how that works. Democrats have a reputation built by and invested in totally by Republics of being pretty damn fast and loose. Clinton was a Democrat. He was defined correctly by Republics.
Republics are in the business of defining Democrats as fast and loose. They judge (the verb), and in common law judgers must come to court with “clean hands.” In other words, if you do the judging then, as an effect of human nature (English common law) you can either judge or stray. You can’t do both. Doing both is possible, however, for Democrats (this is part of the responsibility borne by the judging party, and this is normal).
As long as Republics are the party of judgers, they’ll be judged by a higher standard than Democrats. This is just basic — and immutable — human nature.
Ask AV or GMC70. I think they’ll both understand this from a common law perspective. Well, maybe.
Sarah Palin, Whose that Dude you’re accused of ballin’, Could it be Todd’s old partner from days gone bye, And did I hear you say, he was meeting you here to day, to take you to that igloo in the sky!
They judge (the verb), and in common law judgers must come to court with “clean hands.”
To carry this “common law” analogue more accurately, this sentence should probably read:
They are the plaintiffs in the court of American morality, and in common law plaintiffs must come to court with “clean hands.”
Sollie,
“And B. Clinton gets a pass. Got it.”
Hey, Don’t get so defensive! It’s you guys who keep bringing up Clinton. If you can do that, we can bring up McCane’s and Palin’s current and past peccadilloes! Turnabout and all that?
Clinton hardly got a pass. Had his personal life on the news for over a yr. and impeachment hearing arising from affair.
If that’s a pass, then Sarah will get off Scott free.
BeeJay
You’ve accomplished something truly remarkable, something few people have done.
You’ve become a caricature of yourself.
Heh
BlueJay sings…
Sleeping double in a single bed
While hubby Todd was on his sled.
She shoulda got herself a toy instead.
Of sleeping double in a single bed.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Saturday, September 27, 2008
Contact: Jessica Robinson, 573-751-0290
Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
JEFFERSON CITY – Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.
“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.
“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society.”
If this allegation is true, Barack Obama needs to do more than grow up. Governor Blunt said explicitly that “I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights.” The U.S. Code (Title 18, Crimes) has a specific name for this.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 241
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§ 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
The “going in disguise on the highway” part probably refers to two or more night riders in sheets and hoods threatening Black people–the same constituency whom the Anointed One claims to represent–with repercussions for voting, exercising their right to free speech, and so on. In fact, a related section of the U.S. Code is known as the Ku Klux Klan Act for this exact reason.
In addition,
TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 21 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 1985
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§ 1985. Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights
(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy, whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.
Governor Blunt’s press release uses the specific words “using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights,” “intimidation,” and “silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.” We would like any attorneys who read this to weigh in on whether, assuming that Governor Blunt’s allegations are proven, this constitutes a violation of the U.S. Code as shown above.
Meanwhile, if these allegations are indeed true, then Barack Obama can be compared legitimately to Adolf Hitler. Godwin’s Law applies only when a comparison of a political opponent to Hitler or Nazis is a gross exaggeration, and “using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights” is exactly what Hitler and real Nazis once did to Germans.
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LOL
My goodness, is that a red herring I smell?
People around Wasilla, say she is crazy,
Walks around town with a scepter, in her hand.
And did I hear her say, she’s picketing the library today? Got some books she wants banned!
I think Gov. Blount will have to file serial suits to stem the damage currently being incurred by McCain/Palin.
A “statement” probably won’t cut the mustard, lol.
He better file suit against the National Enquirer post haste.
BlueJay belts out..
Strut out
Put it out.
How ’bout them Palin women!
heh
The mother daughter pregnancy test.
Available at Wal Mart, shop co, and Wasilla bait and tackle.
LOL
I think I detect more than a smidge of Chas-style desperation in Franklin’s “FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.”
Anybody else pick up on that?
Phantom
Posted September 27, 2008 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
It’s only going to get better from here.
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You can say that again!
LOL
“Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.”
And you folks thought that Bush’s tactics against terrorists were bad. Wait till you see the fascist tactics Obama will use against Americans.
Heckler
Posted September 27, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
“Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.”
And you folks thought that Bush’s tactics against terrorists were bad. Wait till you see the fascist tactics Obama will use against Americans.
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yeah, it smells a LOT like politics to me. Red herring, too.
I think they’re related…
I suppose demon Democrat fascism is behind Palin’s incoherence?
Explain that on this topic, and then we can talk. Otherwise, take it to Open.
Deal?
I posted a press release from the GOVERNOR of Missouri.
Disagree if you will, but I have very good company, now, in my claim that Obama is using very un-American tactics in his campaign.
Liberals hate it if we vilated the “rights” of terrorists.
But, when you violate the rights of Republicans?
Not so much, huh?
yeah, get back to us when the GOVERNOR of Missouri files a lawsuit, ok?
Nice try at taking me out of context.
Quite the opposite. Your son bumbed into a friend. He immediatly labeled her as Bi. Why was that important to your son and important enough for you to parrot?
Y’all love those labels.
She makes Dan Quayle sound like a Rhodes scholar.
Pedant
Violation of Civil Rights Under Color of Law is, actually, A CRIME!
Civil penalties are available, as well.
How have Palin’s rights been violated?
Methinks there is a bit if mischief directed toward misdirection afoot here, hmmm?
Ahem.
What is it you guys are so afraid of when it comes to Palin, so much fear that you have to hijack the friggin topic?
Pedant
Are you in la-la land or do you just approve of Obamas tactic of suing TV stations to prevent negative political adds being aired against him?
Do you approve of him enlisting elements of Missouri state government to act as his “truth squad”?
Is this the kind of “change you support”?
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 7:52 pm | Permalink
Pedant
Violation of Civil Rights Under Color of Law is, actually, A CRIME!
Civil penalties are available, as well.
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We’re all watching, with baited breath, for a lawsuit which I’m sure is imminent.
Or not.
LOL
Pedant
catch up!
I am making the point that Obama is violating the law, Obama is trashing the Constitution and the First Amendment.
I will make that point where ever I can, since the ObamaEagle will not give us a thread for this latest outrage.
Indie
No, Joe Biden makes Dan Quayle sound like a Rhodes scholar.
Heckler
Posted September 27, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink
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Show me the tort, or take it to Open.
“but I have very good company, now”
Ya know Franklin paulie? I doubt that is ever true.
You told us thugs who beat up people in parks was the company you keep.
Liberals
How would you feel if the U.S. Justice Department, under George Bush, sent out letters to TV stations warning them about the lies in Obama’s advertising?
This is over the top.
Obama should be ashamed. —
More to the point, any of you liberals who do not speak out against this have lost your moral standing to ever complain, again, about civil rights or free speech!
This is outrageous!
Pedant
So you approve of Obama’s lawyers threatening TV stations?
Thought so.
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink
Pedant
catch up!
I am making the point that Obama is violating the law, Obama is trashing the Constitution and the First Amendment.
I will make that point where ever I can, since the ObamaEagle will not give us a thread for this latest outrage.
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Ok, I get it. Yall can’t defend Palin, but you’re perfectly willing to hijack the thread.
All in the interest of purely American democracy, of course. :wink:
Just fess it up, you can’t defend Palin.
Do either of you have the intellectual integrity to do that?
LOL
Got it.
BJ
You pathetic liar.
I told you that I turned such people into the authorities, after I found out that they were acting that way.
I am guessing, as weak and as evil as you are, you would have joined the gay-bashers, or at least looked the other way.
I can not see you ever having the courage to take a stand, all by yourself.
Crawl back under your rock solie.
Pedant
Posted September 27, 2008 at 7:30 pm | Permalink
Phantom
Posted September 27, 2008 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
It’s only going to get better from here.
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Oh buddy, you said a mouthful there.
This ain’t going anywhere good for McCain/Palin.
Ok, we now return to your currently hijacked thread…where Gov. Blount still hasn’t filed suit but has issued an IMMEDIATE STATEMENT.
LOL
Pedant
Palin does not need my defense.
She would certainly have it, if she did need it.
However, having said that, I put my country first, not a Party or a candidate.
Obama is in the process, already, of completey destroying this country. The idea of using law enforcement officials to frighten the media should terrify anyone who loves liberty.
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
Palin does not need my defense.
She would certainly have it, if she did need it.
However, having said that, I put my country first, not a Party or a candidate.
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LOL.
Sure, that’s why you’ll hijack a thread. All in the best interests of the country. Never the party. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
Did your nose grow when you wrote that?
Pedant
You don’t even care about the 1st Amendment, do you?
You are ok with Nazi Brown Shirt tactics, aren’t you?
Prior restraint of free speech should be abhorrent to anyone who values freedom.
“For the sake of both FCC licensing requirements and the public interest your station should refuse to continue to air this advertisement”.
Obama’s style. Dontcha love it?
LOL
You’re still hijacking a thread here.
Do you really think that won’t backfire on you?
Pedant
When did you ever worry about the topic of a thread?|
“trashing the Constitution and the First Amendment.”
When george bush did just that, you nearly wet your bush underoos defending him.
“You pathetic liar.”
Yup. Not practiced in lying like you. For you it is like breathing.
Ah, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
If the heat gets turned up too high, what do the Republics do?
They change the subject.
All in the name of the USA, of course. Never the party!
Pedant
“Do you really think that won’t backfire on you?”
Are you serious? tut.
Your “point” against Palin is that she is “not qualified” right?
My point, in response?
Obama claims to be a “Constitutional Scholar”, yet Obama is using tactics from Nazi Germany, the old Soviet Union, or the current government of North Korea!
Palin knows enough about foreign affairs to know that sending law enforcement out, to intimidate the media, is anathama to a free country.
Obama does not understand America.
Obama is not qualified to be our leader.
So what about Sarah Palin. Should she quit for the good or the USA?
Or the party?
LOL
Bee Jaaay
““trashing the Constitution and the First Amendment.”||”
Only as it relates to foreign
terrorists.
Another point?
You liberals lie, and say that Palin is somehow not a friend of the 1st Amendement, and claim that Palin tried to “ban library books” which is a complete fabrication.
However, when shown, factually, that Obama is trying to limit free speech, you liberals simply shrug it off.
Hypocrites, all of you!
“Palin does not need my defense.
She would certainly have it, if she did need it.”
I don’t think Palin will be needing any old, washed up, thugs.
She has her running mate for that!
I find it hilarious that the National Enquirer is linked to here, and like immediately an attempt is made to turn the thread to “Obama is a Nazi.”
We’ll all see where this ends up, and my bet is it ain’t going to be good for McCain.
Covering up really bad BO with Aqua Velva: the response of “thinking” Republics ca2008.
This is going to just get better’n better!
Palin IS familiar with using the force of government and abuse of office to settle personal scores. The investigation into that is ongoing.
Funny thing I just noticed. Pedant doesnt even deny Obama’s tactics. Doesnt ask us to back up our statements. Sounds like more than tacit agreement with the policy.
Party first. Screw the country and screw the constitution.
BJ
I do not consider myself “washed up” — and I do not think you want to compete, as far as accomplishments are concerned.
You have nothing to show for all of your hate and selfishness.
I am a happy man, proud of my accomplishments.
Can you say the same?
Heckler
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink
Funny thing I just noticed. Pedant doesnt even deny Obama’s tactics. Doesnt ask us to back up our statements. Sounds like more than tacit agreement with the policy.
Party first. Screw the country and screw the constitution.
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LOL
Funnier thing is that the National Enquirer releases an article about Sarah Palin, and like immediately an attempt is made to turn the topic to “Obama’s tactics.”
It must be getting really, really bad in the McCain/Palin camp!
Looks like Missouri’s governor isn’t on board with “Truth Squads”:
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.”
Obama. Chicago thug.
I hope Sarah Palin finds an excellent beta blocker for Thursday.
I think she’s going to need it. And maybe some Bookers, too.
Heckler
You are right, of course.
Something I learned about the far left, long ago:
They use the Constitution to weaken us.
They find inevitable contradictions and use the law like a blunt instrument to destroy us.
They SAY they support “civil rights” but they only support rights for true criminals and true terrorists.
Accuse a Conservative of a crime? They do not care, they think it is funny.
Take away the liberty of a Conservative to speek his or her mind? They think we have no rights, and they do not care.
Whey you hear a liberal “defend” civil rights, you can bet that they simply want to harm society, by letting a true criminal or terrorist off the hook.
If you work hard, try to do the right thing, but happen to disagree with Obama?
The liberals really do not mind if you get sent to jail for your beliefs!
Do you think Palin will bring up Gov. Blount’s “statement” on Thursday night?
Pedant
No, it’s getting really bad in America when thug tactics like Obama’s raise no concerns with the “Peoples Party”.
Will Gov. Blount’s assertions be featured in the debate next week?
Will this all be brought to a head in the debate by Sarah Palin?
I wonder what Sarah Palin will have to say about Gov. Blount’s assertions Thursday night.
Does anybody think she will accuse Obama of being a thug? If not, why not?
Or will she accuse Obama of being a Nazi?
If not, why not?
Will she accuse the Obama of being opposed to the 1st Amendment?
The 2nd?
If not, why not?
Pedant
Governor Blunt is a patriot to defend the press and the law enforcement establishment from Obama’s Chicago thug corruption.
I am betting that it will not end with Governor Blunt.
I am guessing that, very soon, Obama will have to answer for this outrage, and publicly call off his goon squads.
So Franklin, you predict this will be featured in the debate Thursday?
Pedant
“Will Gov. Blount’s assertions be featured in the debate next week?”
if McCains camp has any balls it will be a TV ad in the morning.
Surely Palin will use this as ammunition Thursday?
If not, why not?
Franklin
You got an odd kinda happy. Your posts reek with the emotions of a frustrated little man reduced to shilling others words for hire and trying to pass them off as convictions in a core that rotted out of you long ago.
You are even less than nothing.
But? As many of us have agreed, if you did not post here, we would have to invent you in characichure !
Pedant
you make light of our civil rights.
We will all note that, for the next faux “outrage” you bring up.
You liberals are showing your true colors.
You libs care for the “rights” of terrorists.
You libs care for the “rights” of criminals.
The rights of Republicans? — well, not so much!
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
MCCAIN
68% 282,428
OBAMA
30% 125,170
NEITHER
3% 10,714
Total Votes: 418,312
Ads are just politics. Debates are far more serious as the topic is elevated immediately.
Will this accusation be brought up by Palin Thursday night?
If not, why not?
Pedant
“The 2nd?”
Are you kidding?
Yes, It would be smart for Palin to bring it up.
The purpose, I think will be to get Biden to condemn this act. I think Biden will, if someone gets to Biden, with a microphone, before Obama has a chance to coach him on this.
So Franklin, this is so serious it will be like topic # 1 Thursday night, right?
Palin will of course lead with it?
If not, why not?
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
mom
You are ridiculous.
Obama is up to his neck in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
McCain has campaign workers who once worked for lobbying firms who had Fannie and Freddie as clients.
McCain does not have any current, or former REGISTERED LOBBYISTS of Fannie or Freddie or Countrywide or Lehman etc on his staff.
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Funny, it has been proven several times that McCain does have campaign advisors who were taking money from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae up until they went belly up…
Just because you don’t want to believe it is trur does not make it so.
McCain’s campaign is full of the very people that he rails against and says he will make their names famous.
All I ask of him is to prove it by getting rid of the people in his OWN campaign that are just as guilty as the rest of the Wall Street Gang.
Is that too much to ask? If McCain expects the voters to believe him – then HE needs to start telling the truth!
isn’t it time to go get your 30 pieces of silver from your paymaster….
So I guess this DOES apply to Thursday night.
I’m sure we’ll see more of this in the week to come, then.
And if we don’t, if no suit is filed, what then?
Obama will be made to back down on this outrageous conduct.
Count on it, this will hurt him with the independents and even with sincere Civil Libertarians in his own party.
okobserver
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
MCCAIN
68% 282,428
OBAMA
30% 125,170
NEITHER
3% 10,714
Total Votes: 418,312
Who cares okie-dokie! This is only Drudge….
BTW – you are scaring me so badly with all your little tantrums and threats…
Well if it applies to Thursday’s debate, then I’m sure Palin will be fully qualified, fully brought up to speed, and like right on it.
Right?
Paulie – you have posted so many outrageous claims – how do you even think someone is going to believe all the made-up hype you spew on this blog?
REally, man, for your own health – give it a rest.
Pedant
Grow up.
I do not have a crystal ball, and neither do you.
However, this is a very frightening development, and it should trouble you.
That it does not, is instructive.
You are more in line with Stalin or Hitler than you are with Jefferson or Madison or Adams.
It is so noted.
So you’re predicting Franklin that Palin will bring an end to the Obama campaign over this issue on Thursday?
We can hold you to that, right?
If this is as big a deal as Franklin and Heckler say it is, then I’m sure it will be a major talking point of Sarah Palin on Thursday night.
If it ain’t a major talking point (I said IF), then can we conclude that you are a red herring loving dipsh-t?
Because I’m already wanting to go there, for some reason…
Bee.j
“You are even less than nothing.”
You should know how that feels.
characichure. spell check is your friend.
Drudge?
Who cares?
Drudge is about as credible as Franklin.
(Not at all credible)
I am now expecting the McCain campaign to have Sarah Palin fully brought up to speed, fully prepared, to bring it over Obama’s being a Nazi on Thursday night.
If that don’t happen, I just may lose my faith in Franklin. Sorry to say!
Pedant
….and why is that?
The liberals really do not mind if you get sent to jail for your beliefs!
Paulie – has this happened to you personally? If so, when, where and why? I thought you told me you never got arrested for your anti-abortion protests?
Thugs come in all sizes, shapes, colors and age. I wonder how Palin got in all her friends into jobs they were not qualified for when she was elected Mayor and Governor? From the sound of things, it was Sarah’s way or no way. That sounds like a thug’s playbook to me.
mom
You have no “proof” of what you claim.
The highly partisan New York Times made false accusations, and that is all you have.
However, even if the NYT, and you, mom, were correct, so what?
Even then?
Obama has taken the most money from Fannie, Freddie, Lehman Brothers, Countrywide etc.
Obama uses the disgraced Franklin Raines, from Fannie Mae, as an advisor. Raines looted Fannie Mae for MILLIONS of dollars, making over $90MILLION in 6 years! Raines was IN CHARGE of Fannie, and is an advisor to Obama.
Moreover, it was Democrats in Congress who practically invented “subprime mortgages” with the Community Reinvestment Act.
There is absolutely NO way to compare the involvement of John McCain, in the mortgage business, to the corrupt behavior of Obama and the Democrat Party.
The Democrats caused this problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
So I guess Sarah will have a full plate come Thursday.
The whole Katie Couric thing, the National Enquirer thing, and of course Obama being American Nazi # 1.
Wow. Hope she gets some rest Wednesday night!
Do yall expect she’ll be briefed by Gov. Blount?
I sure hope Gwen Ifill finds a graceful way to segue into the topic of American Nazis. Lord knows how Sarah’ll get there otherwise!
Pedant
Since when is the bar so low that something is only “wrong” if a lawsuit or a criminal charge is made, in court?
What is wrong with you?
This is a blatant attempt at intimidation. We can never know how many people have been affected by the “chilling effect” of this Nazi behavior.
This is wrong. Anyone who thinks otherwise is no friend of the 1st Amendment.
Pedant
“Do yall expect she’ll be briefed by Gov. Blount?”
Perhaps a US district attorney.
I think whoever is funding Franklin owes the Eagle a cut too.
He IS basically paid Republican advertising here.
Eagle editors? Look into getting a piece of Franklin’s action. He is using your forum.
Heckler
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:41 pm | Permalink
Pedant
“Do yall expect she’ll be briefed by Gov. Blount?”
Perhaps a US district attorney.
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Ahah. So it WILL be featured.
Because otherwise Sarah’s a Nazi sympathizer, right?
I guess I find myself hoping that poor old Sarah can follow all this logick yall keep throwin’ out here.
Lord knows she may need a bread trail…
In my own opinion, I think you’re giving poor old Sarah quite a burden here.
She’s got the whole incoherence thing to clear up, the FP experience to clarify, and now she’s got to show Obama’s a Nazi, too.
That sounds like a full plate to me!
Pedant
“Because otherwise Sarah’s a Nazi sympathizer, right?”
Still clinging bitterly to the KOS kids playbook?
mom
I never was arrested.
However, I was dragged off to jail.
Yes, you read that right.
I was taken to jail but never arrested.
This was due to my beliefs.
That the law was violated was clear, in every courtroom after Judge Kelly’s court.
I won in the Supreme Court. (actually, it was not my specific case, but one similar to mine, that helped my case.)
I won in the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.
I won in Judge Monti Bellot’s court room, he simply dismissed the lawsuit against me.
I was arrested based on a civil lawsuit that never applied to me in the first place.
But, I am a conservative.
If only I was trying to blow up American buildings, you liberals might care about me, huh?
heh
shilly Franklin.
You’ll get a nosebleed with all the hack act outrage.
And of course, it is impossible to tell the story with out the contradiction.
Was I arrested or not?
False arrest, look it up.
Hell, if Obama’s a threat to the first amendment, he’s no better’n a Nazi to me.
If it’s all so, then let’s sick Sarah on him!
Heckler
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink
Still clinging bitterly to the KOS kids playbook?
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What the hell is KOS?
Pedant
What Obama’s legal team is engaging in is essentially a civil rights violation. Where it the McCain camp doing such you would have your DU and KOS marching orders to storm and vandalize Republican campaign offices. And the media would be up old Johns arse like a worm.
But Obama is the messiah. So the media will avoid it like montezuma’s revenge.
“This was due to my beliefs.”
You HAD some?
How much did you get for them?
From Parker’s article in the OP:
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Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity:
“Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”
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See this is where I think giving Sarah the burden of defending the first amendment against Obama’s alleged transgressions may prove troublesome.
To say the least.
“trashing the Constitution and the First Amendment.”
There are limits to the First Amendment. For instance, if Paul was trying to get a job somewhere, and I went to the man who was doing the hiring and told him that Paul was sleeping with the man’s wife, even though I knew it wasn’t true, and if, for that reason, Paul didn’t get the job, he could __________. (Fill in the blank)
Prosecutor Joyce is ALREADY backing down:
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/09/joyce-on-truth-squad-not-about-prosecuting-people/
Joyce says this was not about “prosecuting” anyone. Joyce is a liar, as a poster makes clear:
“This has never been or never will be about prosecuting people.”
Then, Jennifer Joyce, explain to me why the KMOV report, in which you were featured, states that the Obama campaign is asking Missouri “law enforcement” to “target” people. The report specifies and interviews you, Jennifer Joyce, along with Bob McCulloch, in your roles as “two high-profile prosecutors.” The report quotes you two as saying that you “plan to respond immediately” in your role as prosectuors.
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1
Your veiled threats and attempts at intimidation will not silence critics of “Il Duce” Obama.
— Charles Henrickson
Pedant
do you REALLY expect us to believe that you do not read the DailyKOS?
I have to say the these two Obama haters have significantly..
…and I do mean SIGNIFICANTLY…
…raised the bar for Palin’s performance on Thursday night.
Sarah Palin has to hit nothing less than a grand slam, now. If she doesn’t pick up the mantle thrown down here by Franklin’s and Heckler’s interpretations of Gov. Bount’s statment, then it seems to me she will fail and fail utterly.
Not so sure Sarah’s ready for all that, not with a mere 5 weeks to election day.
Maybe Palin will be briefed by her attorney general?
‘McCain Camp Lawyer Illegally Advising In Alaska; Palin Attorney General In Hiding‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-craig-mitchell/mccain-camp-lawyer-illega_b_128663.html
The pickle O’Callaghan’s wagging tongue has gotten its owner into is that, pursuant to Alaska Statute 8.08.230, a person who is not a member of the Alaska Bar who while physically present in Alaska “engages in the practice of law” is guilty of a class A misdemeanor. And in Alaska the “practice of law” includes “rendering legal consultation or advice.”
It would be interesting to know what John McCain thinks about having a criminal serving on his legal team. It also would be interesting to know whether Talis Colberg, Sarah Palin’s attorney general, intends to prosecute O’Callaghan. And if he doesn’t, why not?”
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink
Pedant
do you REALLY expect us to believe that you do not read the DailyKOS?
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My expectations for you are unbelievably low, you have no idea.
So for you, no.
Ok
So now the Huffington Post and you liberals on this Blog are saying, basically, that you do not believe that Palin’s friends and associates deserve legal representation, or legal advice, and you are trying to prevent the McCain campaign from providing said advice?
Wow!
If Sarah had only blown up a building, like Obama friend, terrorist William Ayers, you would make sure all of her friends had Legal Aid attorneys!
Is Daily KOS the one with a brown background?
I think I went there once, but if I remember correctly it did not resemble any place I’d feel comfortable in. Plus I believe registration was required.
Actually, although you annoy the hell out of me, if you are not checking Daily Kos every day my opinion of you has improved.
Not much, but what the hell, I give credit where it is due.
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink
If Sarah had only blown up a building, like Obama friend, terrorist William Ayers, you would make sure all of her friends had Legal Aid attorneys!
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I am now also looking forward, very much, to Sarah Palin’s getting in Obama’s -ss over William Ayers.
After all, if it’s true she’s got to bring it up, right?
If it ain’t, then….well, it certainly robs either Palin or Franklin of a great deal, and I do mean a GREAT DEAL, of integrity.
If Sarah Palin doesn’t hammer Obama’s -ss over William Ayers and Gov. Bount’s allegations, then I am going to be…
…disillusioned.
Ahem.
A rally was being held in Alaska today because many are tired of the stonewalling, the McCain camp interference in their state’s business. People there are upset that “troppergate” has been hijacked.
Palin is going to debate Biden and beat up on Obama? WOW! She really has been studying since the interview with Couric to get that good.
Will there be a single sentence she utters that we can comprehend?
Maybe Franklin will let Sarah wear his cape!
econ posted September 27, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“Ok
So now the Huffington Post and you liberals on this Blog are saying, basically, that you do not believe that Palin’s friends and associates deserve legal representation, or legal advice, and you are trying to prevent the McCain campaign from providing said advice?”
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Actually, the Huffington Post page is an excerpt from,
‘How Alaska’s AG defied the public’s interest to cover for Palin in Troopergate‘
http://alaskadispatch.com/tundra-talk/1-talk-of-the-tundra/147-alaska-ags-ill-fated-experiment-with-public-service-in-wake-of-troopergate.html
“The pickle O’Callaghan’s wagging tongue has gotten its owner into is that, pursuant to Alaska Statute 8.08.230, a person who is not a member of the Alaska Bar who while physically present in Alaska “engages in the practice of law” is guilty of a class A misdemeanor. And in Alaska the “practice of law” includes “rendering legal consultation or advice”. ”
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It’s written by Donald Craig Mitchell, an attorney in Anchorage, Alaska, who IS a member of the Alaska Bar.
The McCain campaign attorney giving legal advice while in Alaska is NOT a member of the Alaska Bar.
econ, did “liberals” in Alaska write Alaska Statute 8.08.230 ?
Linda
LOL
Here is your “Alaska Protest” of Palin, a bunch of kooks blocking traffic and breaking the law:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080913/480/917e983bb8a84bc1930a41719becf829/
cosmos
If their was more than one attorney present, in the room, attorneys are allowed to consult one another, in the presence of clients and non members of the bar.
Again, you liberals are using police state tactics to deny due process of law and the right of legal representation.
Apparently clueless voters for John McCain don’t know he said “deregulation” thousands of times, over the decades, none of them care.
Wall Street deregulated, weaker SEC, look at the mess costing $700 Billion and that may not be enough. No matter former Attorney General Eliot Spitzer used hookers, he was only the only one suing corporations for fraud. The Feds under Bush did nothing.
Energy deregulated, Enron and friends attacking state utilities. Oil prices manipulated. They don’t care! How does Drill Now fix manipulated oil prices?
Less oversight by Federals under Bush and no ethics board for a long time in the House of Representatives while former Senator Tom Delay had conspiracies going.
Pass the Farm Bill and World Trade calls it unfair. No one cares long as their paid.
Deregulation in guns too makes them proud. Anything for collectors of guns because people kill, not the gun’s fault. That’s how they think.
Palin gives McCain extra boost in Kansas (for no reason!)
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Prominent Democrats don’t expect Barack Obama to carry Kansas in the presidential race, but they hope he’ll do relatively well in this reliably Republican state, winning 40% or more of the vote.
Meanwhile, Kansas Republicans expect John McCain to enjoy a typically large Republican margin in the Nov. 4 election, thanks to running mate Sarah Palin.
Some Republicans acknowledge many conservatives weren’t excited about McCain, the Arizona senator, but believe his putting the Alaska governor on the ticket energized that core constituency.
“They weren’t enthusiastic, but they were going to vote for him,” said Sen. Sam Brownback. “With Palin, he’s picked up their enthusiasm so that the passion level, the giving levels, people going out and working for the ticket, has skyrocketed.”
State Sen. Tim Huelskamp, a conservative who endorsed Huckabee, said McCain wasn’t “trustworthy” on issues such as taxes, immigration and campaign finance. Then, Huelskamp noted, McCain picked Palin.
It’s not just Palin’s credentials on social issues that’s excited conservatives. They argue she’ll attract votes from independent voters and even moderate Democrats enthusiastic about the possibility of electing the nation’s first female vice president.
“Palin was the final nail in Obama’s Kansas coffin. He was never going to win Kansas. Now, he doesn’t even have a prayer.”
A Conservative outside of Kansas doesn’t like Palin but Kathleen Parker will still vote for McCain/Palin.
Franklin, maybe you need to check the dates of things you post. maybe not. your choice.
“a bunch of kooks blocking traffic and breaking the law”
Now you know a LOT about THAT sort of thing now dontcha Franklin?
Hypocrite.
econ posted September 27, 2008 at 9:36 pm
“cosmos
If their was more than one attorney present, in the room, attorneys are allowed to consult one another, in the presence of clients and non members of the bar.”
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And econ can prove that O’Callaghan was NOT the only attorney present?
econ,
Is the McCain campaign going to kick the two AG’s off of THEIR “truth squads”?
‘Blunt, GOP say Obama ‘truth squad’ seeks to squash free speech with police power
Democrats: It’s a manufactured controversy‘
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/BLOGS09/80927018
“…
Donatelli said prosecutors don’t normally join campaign truth squads because their mere presence as a campaign attack dog “has a chilling affect on people’s rights of free speech.”
But a review of McCain’s own truth squads shows he has a district attorney from New Mexico and the South Carolina attorney general ready to respond to misleading ads from Obama and Democrats in their respective states.
Democrats maintain the GOP has twisted the context of a news report to manufacture this controversy.
“It is the height of absurdity that Governor Blunt would try to deceive voters about the role of respected Missourians across the state who want to see this election be about the truth, not false attacks like the ones we’ve seen today,” said Justin Hamilton, spokesman for Obama’s Missouri campaign. “It’s clear why Missouri voters are rejecting the kind of campaign that they’re running.” “
Anti-Palin rally draws about 1,000 protesters
A protest rally blasting Gov. Sarah Palin’s handling of the state’s so-called Troopergate investigation — and calling for the attorney general to resign — drew 1,000 or more people to the Delaney Park Strip in Anchorage on Saturday.
more at:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/539236.html
It’s McCain’s campaign that thinks Palin is pathetic. Thats why she has done only 3 interviews and they have dumbed down the rules in her debate.
tangled
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink
It’s McCain’s campaign that thinks Palin is pathetic. Thats why she has done only 3 interviews and they have dumbed down the rules in her debate.
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Assuming that somebody’s in penultimate charge of McCain’s campaign then this it must be true that at some level they think Palin is pathetic. She isn’t campaigning on her own, after all, which is neither effective nor efficient for a modern, media-driven POTUS campaign. Somebody’s got a muzzle on Sarah Palin.
So I agree.
We’re less than 6 weeks from election day. At this point, the McCain/Palin ticket is toast.
This has been a more bizarre election season that I’ve ever experienced. Makes me wonder what in the world an October surprise could be. It’s hard to keep up with the shenanigans.
tangled posted September 27, 2008 at 9:51 pm
“It’s McCain’s campaign that thinks Palin is pathetic. Thats why she has done only 3 interviews and they have dumbed down the rules in her debate.”
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And note that Palin refused to make the usual after-debate remarks last night.
Mrage
You do not understand the current financial issues enough to be able to tell a “good regulation” from a “bad regulation”.
A bad regulation? Sarbanes Oxley. The “Mark to Market” rules mean that some companies must go broke, on paper, even if they can pay their bills. When there is NO market for their book of mortgages, they have a “worthless” portfolio, under “SOX” even if it is producing an income.
A bad regulation? The Community Reinvestment Act, which FORCED lenders to make bad loans. Congress practically invented the sub-prime market.
Watch this video, completely, take notes, and look up all of the information and links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Why has Obama, with 3 years in the Senate, received more money, from the mortgage business, than ANY other politician?
linda
1000 people?
Are you serious?
I think the population there is about 280,000.
Wow, .36% of the population does not want Palin to be elected?
that was .0036 for those who can not see the period.
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink
Why has Obama, with 3 years in the Senate, received more money, from the mortgage business, than ANY other politician?
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Because he believes in home ownership.
Will Sarah Palin have to dissect Bush’s SarBox Thursday night?
That should pretty much overfill her plate, no?
Home ownership?
You mean home give aways.
You mean that food stamps and welfare and unemployment compensation MUST, by law, be counted as income in a mortgage loan?
Is that what you mean?
You mean that when a sub prime borrower defaults, that the government should just GIVE that person the house?
Is that what you mean?
It was exactly that kind of thinking, that EVERYONE with a pulse should have a house, that got us into this mess.
Let’s see, here’s what Franklin and Heckler have placed on Sarah Palin’s plate Thursday night.
–William Ayers and how he proves Obama is a terrorist.
–Gov. Blount’s statement that Obama is angering Missouri Republics, and how that applies to every other American.
–Her incoherence over Russia’s proximity to Alaska.
–Her incoherence in general.
–Sarbanes Oxley as federal overreaching, in light of the Bush administration’s appropriations request for $700B in taxpayer borrowing to enter the securities market as an anti-socialistic, uber-capitalistic government.
I’m pretty sure Sarah’ll be up late Wednesday night.
In fact, I believe Sarah’ll have to go to bed early Tuesday night just to stand a chance Thursday night!
cosmos
If you look at the “demand letter” Obama sent to all the TV stations in Missouri, as well as Pennslyvania and Ohio, you will see that Obama is making threats in order to chill free speech.
If you look at the actual TV spot, on KMOV TV in St. Louis, you will hear PROSECUTORS say that they will TARGET people who say things that they don’t like.
Nobody in the McCain campaign has done anything like this, ever.
Pedant
You DO realize, don’t you, that the major support for the original Bush bail out plan, is among DEMOCRATS don’t you?
Why is that?
Perhaps, because Wall Street and the mortgage business give loads of money to Democrats?
I am not crazy about the original Bush/Paulson plan.
By the way, PAULSON IS A DEMOCRAT!
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink
By the way, PAULSON IS A DEMOCRAT!
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LOL
Ok, thanks for that. What did Heckler write above, about BlueJay being a caricuture of himself?
I hope you had yer iron jockstrap on when you jumped that shark, buddy!
By the way, have you heard? BUSH IS A DEMOCRAT!
Law enforcement asked to target political campaigns against Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA
Phantom
Posted September 27, 2008 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
It’s only going to get better from here.
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All hail the prophet Phantom!
LOL
I am still laughing over that.
Monty Python couldn’t have topped that…lol.
BUSH IS A DEMOCRAT!
LOL
Pedant
I think Bush had good intentions but a bad plan.
Bush has warned, repeatedly, from his first year in office, that Fannie and Freddie were BOTH heading for trouble.
Democrats would not allow any changes to the Community Reinvestment Act, which was pushed through by President Clinton.
The government mandated that lenders provide loans to poor people who could not hope to pay back those loans.
That is what happened!
Those who warned about it were called “racists” and “alarmists” by Barney Frank and other Democrats.
Look, I never said that I agreed with Bush or McCain on everying.
However, Bush tried to prevent this mortgage mess, several times, over the last 8 years.
Democrats would not listen.
Heh HEH!
Emmy for Tina Fey.
She SO nailed Sarah Palin on SNL.
This tops the one sheeter day, hands down.
It severely threatens the “hippocratic oath for former HAZMAT inspectors” point of view of certain, well one, science poster here.
BUSH IS A DEMOCRAT!
This is weird. Thought I’d get away from Sarah Palin for a little while. Watched Al Pacino in ‘Eighty Eight Minutes’, The prostitute he takes home is named, guess what, Sarah Palin. She ends up murdered, and someone’s trying to frame him for it, and other murders.
Pretty good show.
Maybe Sarah can get to the Nazi’s, by saying “Russia is only separated by a little water, from Alaska, did I mention that I’m the CIC of the Alaska National Guard,and, as I was saying, Russia was ruled by Stalin, and you know, Stalin was pretty tight with Hitler, and well, what I mean to say is Obama is a Nazi, there can be no doubt about that!
Can’t wait for the youtube.
Sarah is sunk.
Paraphrasing here…
“Well in Alaska we are verrrry clooose to Russia. Sooo, every morning, we Alaskans get up and liiiike loook arouuuund. And if weee see anyyy Russians we are liiike shooo! Get baaack where you beloooong!
What is ridiculous is that the right wingnuts were not sold on McCain, and now, simply because he chose a woman who is pro life and chose to have a downs child, now McCain is OK???? What makes any sense about that? You right wingnuts are voting for entirely unbelievable reasons! Social issues? Is abortion, gays, etc. the biggest issues the next President is going to confront? Those issues won’t even be discussed in the next four years! What will be discussed is the economy, foreign policy, health care, and education. McCain claims to be an expert in one of those, and the debate showed that he is not an expert on foreign policy. Being a POW is not a resume builder for President of the United States. I respect his service to this country, but I think McCain’s time is past, and his thoughts or lack of thoughts regarding the other big issues should make all voters vote for real change that will help the middle class. McCain won’t help the middle class or the poor, and the vast majority of Americans fall in those classes.
“Well in Alaska we know alot about Russia, it’s a little known fact, that at one time the State of Alaska, the State that I’m the Governor of, wasn’t a State at all, nooooo, it belonged to, wait for it, Russsia! That’s why I’m uniquely qualified to, sort of, be an expert on Foreign Relations. And, besides that, we’ve had trade delegations come over from Russia!”
One of the signs at today’s rally in Anchorage:
“Hey, Sarah! I can see the end of your political career from my house!”
Bet the ‘God’s war’ thingy come up again.
Make a good SNL skit, Palin with a pair of binoculars, tracking the going ons in Russia.
At least when she denies it, they won’t cut to her church video.
Ya know what you cons need dontcha?
Sorry lapsing into Sarah speak.
Ya neeed a picture of Sarah in a civil defense helmet looking through binoculars toward Russia.
okobserver
Posted September 27, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink
BlueJay
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
In other news, okobserver blew up today.
The detonation occurred at 11:26 AM and could be heard several blocks from ground zero
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BJ I choose not to debate with fools. It is never productive. You showed all of us your true metal when you talked as you did about our work release employees. We pay them well, give them benefits, a chance to get valuable work experience and you belittle us for that. You are a pathetic buffoon who is very hung up on who you are and what you will or won’t do and how special you are because you won’t work for ‘the man’.
Well BJ your arrogant remarks about the work release program show you up for the intolernant slob you are. You see I look at people and see their potential if given a hand up. You and your son look at people and see labels. Bi, convicts, etc…
You live off the hard work of others who do hold down jobs and pay taxes. You send your son to a school that you don’t think you owe anything for. You drive on city streets. Use a library, if you are capable of reading, that is paid for out of tax dollars and everyday brag that you can take on anyone this blog. Idiot.
You arent’ worth the time it took me to respond so as linda would say I will no longer be answering any of your posts.
Keep looking for my private information because it gives your poor pathetic existence a reason for being.
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Bravo!!!
So now the Huffington Post and you liberals on this Blog are saying, basically, that you do not believe that Palin’s friends and associates deserve legal representation, or legal advice, and you are trying to prevent the McCain campaign from providing said advice?
Uh, no. The citizens of Alaska are.
Oh, jeez . . . BlueJay’s boyfriend is after him again . . .
Pre,
“There are limits to the First Amendment. For instance, if Paul was trying to get a job somewhere, and I went to the man who was doing the hiring and told him that Paul was sleeping with the man’s wife, even though I knew it wasn’t true, and if, for that reason, Paul didn’t get the job, he could __________. (Fill in the blank)”
If you went to the man who was doing the hiring and told him that Pall was sleeping with his wife, he’d laugh in your face. And the reason Pall didn’t get the job would have nothing to do with your vile slandering of the guy’s wife.
Your last post “Freebird”, contained exactly ONE word of your own.
Now I’m accustomed to having fans and detractors.
I want to encourage you. Post some ideas of your own instead of just using me as a free ride.
So FAR we know that you voted bush, are a dry drunk, and follow me around. What else do you have?
Franklin,
I had to look up Bush’s gallant efforts trying to save taxpayers from Freddie and Fannie over his 8 years in office. Some websites nearly said word for word what your describing.
>Bush has warned, repeatedly, from his first year in office, that Fannie and Freddie were BOTH heading for trouble.
>Democrats would not allow any changes to the Community Reinvestment Act, which was pushed through by President Clinton.
>The government mandated that lenders provide loans to poor people who could not hope to pay back those loans.
>That is what happened!
Valiant Bush, vanquished when he had a Republican Congress for six years.
Long as consumers paid jacked up mortgage contracts the system worked?
A fraudulent document matters before citizens fail living up to their financial responsibilities.
It’s fault of the business accepting bad mortgage documents from people without long term ability to pay.
Who were the corporates trying to fool, selling fraudulent mortgage securities knowingly? How is the consumer at fault for that?
Democrats are at fault for every mortgage in America going bad, according to you?
Don’t forget John McCain’s help in Ohio with DHL 5 years ago, many there are about to lose their shipping jobs. Thousands of homes there will go into bankruptcy and default soon.
People with jobs have lost them due to Federal hijinks. More outsourcing allowed while Bush has been President, manufacturing fleeing America because it’s profitable for corporates at expense of workers.
Corporates outsourcing having their taxes cut, Bush was proud to provide.
McCain got Ted Steven’s help changing Federal rules that allowed foreign corporation DHL buying Ohio shipping company Airborne Express.
What winning combination for progress that turned out to be.
Is Ted Stevens corrupt or his problems Democrats fault too?
As far the one word post I was agreeing with a poster,who thinks much as I do. No I am not a dry drunk,you shouldn’t use terms you don’t know the meaning of.
I’m politically independent always have been always will be. I don’t see anything in these candidates that would lead me to vote for either one. You see I don’t label candidates or people for that matter as a con or a lib I look at their ideas and values before I make a jugement. Unlike some people here I don’t believe my way is always the right way but it has served me well.
I feel sorry for people that are so blinded by their own beliefs and ideas that they refuse to consider any viewpointother than their own or they continue to march in lockstep with their ideaological group not matter what the cost. That is what I see as the biggest problem with this country today,and I predict it will only get worse
This is all hype.
Palin will make a much better President than obama of the muslim faith.
She is a conservative and is forced to act like she is part of the liberal McCain’s agenda. They should just let her talk.
Conservatives love her before her we weren’t even going to vote. Or we were going to write in Hunter or Tancredo.
Palin for President.
Kandipoo,
The HOMOSEXUAL THREAT??? Weren’t you fundies arguing just a few years ago that gay people constituted such a small minority that there was no point in passing gay rights laws? Gee, such a tiny minority must really have something going for it if it could pose such a threat. Maybe you ought to consider switching sides!
Oh LOOK at the nuts that the choice of Sarah Palin has brought out of the woodwork!
GOOD thing that lil Sarah is cratering with people who aren’t crazy.
“They should just let her talk.”
Oh I AGREE! Let Sarah talk. Get her on every interview show.
Let America know about the kooks that dwell amongst us.
You want to see a real piece of Prophesy?
This was written by Mason Williams, obviously for Sarah Palin, in 1964:
Them Moose Goosers
How about Them Moose Goosers,
Ain’t they recluse?
Up in them boondocks,
Goosin’ them moose.
Goosin’ them huge moose,
Goosin’ them tiny,
Goosin’ them meadow-moose
In they hiney.
Look at Them Moose Goosers,
Ain’t they dumb?
Some use an umbrella,
Some use a thumb.
Them obtuse Moose Goosers,
Sneakin’ through the woods,
Pokin’ them snoozy moose
In they goods.
How to be a Moose Gooser?
It’ll turn ye puce.
Gitchy gooser loose and
Rouse a drowsy moose