If the Legislature intends to inject itself into the federal problem of illegal immigration, it should do so knowing as much as possible about what undocumented residents cost Kansas, how much they pay in taxes and how they affect labor costs and employment. That was why state Rep. Nile Dillmore, D-Wichita, successfully sought an off-session audit of illegal immigration’s economic impact. So it was good to see such a planned legislative study escape the ax last week in Topeka, after deputy post auditor Leo Hafner told legislators that studying illegal immigration is “one of those things where you’re literally trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.” When the audit panel considers the issue again this month, it should try to focus the study, not scrap it.
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The immigration audit makes total sense … that’s why it will probably have trouble getting adopted.
“Pew Hispanic Center estimated in 2005 that were 40,000 to 70,000 illegal immigrants in Kansas”
This is an important number as it would put the illegal alien population as the seventh most populated group in Kansas when compared to size of cities.
An investigation should go forth.
1.Wichita 344,284
2.Overland Park 149,080
3.Kansas City 146,866
4.Topeka 122,377
5.Olathe 92,962
6.Lawrence 80,098
7. Illegal Aliens 70,000
8.Shawnee 47,996
9.Salina 45,679
10.Manhattan 44,831
11.Hutchinson 40,787
A person in position to observe the situation told me a few days ago the illegal immigrant population in Wichita might be shrinking as they move on to cities with better economies such as Garden City and Liberal in western Kansas and south to Texas.
Who actually knows? That’s why we need the audit.
The question I have is how do you audit the number people who are “flying under the radar”?
“Freebird1971″ asks –
“…how do you audit the number people who are “flying under the radar”?”
I think that’s part of the “Jell-O to the wall” problem.
But not “literally,” fer chrissakes!
Why do people say “literally” when they mean “figuratively?”
Oh, yeah. I forgot the wisdom of the boy prophet “Nathaniel,” who said: “Just because you take something literally doesn’t mean you take every word literally.”
;^)
Do you believe ethnocentric special interest groups such as LULAC and La Raza are responsible for a delusional sense of entitlement among illegal aliens? A question from the Lou Dobbs web site.
“Do you believe ethnocentric special interest groups such as LULAC and La Raza are responsible for a delusional sense of entitlement among illegal aliens? A question from the Lou Dobbs web site.” — docjonhson.
No se
As long as American companies hire illegal aliens for substandard wages and with no legal ramifications the issue is one of human exploitation. A few employers cooling their heels for a couple of years in Leavenworth would solve the illegal alien problem pronto.
Otherwise, don’t wear pork chop jockey shorts and complain about dogs sniffing your crotch.
That’s the problem MH. No punishement for hiring illegals other than a fine,which they can probalby pay from the wages they are not paying the workers. Once the heat is off from the Feds,it’s buisness as usual.
True, “Freebird1971″ –
A friend of mine used to work for Legal Aid in KCK.
Here’s the illegal worker merrie-go-round:
Outfits (among the repeat offenders were Olathe Boots and Kansas City Salad) hire illegal aliens for substandard wages. But workers make enough to bring their wives into the country, or find a girl (often a citiizen) up here, marry, and give birth to a bouncing baby American citizen.
The employer gets raided, fined a pittance, and the illegal workers are flown back to Mexico or Guatemala, Honduras, wherever. For all the CONs’ talk of family values, the policy ruins the family units of aliens lured to this country to work.
Which is what the unlawful employers immediately, starting the cycle again.
Put ‘em in the pokey!
Make it so Walmart has to hold its next couple of Board of Directors meetings in a prison exercise yard.
If a couple of execs were made examples of it might give others a reason to stop and think.
Illegal Hispanics are going to be a growing problem in Wichita. Hispanics don’t assimilate. And they’re the most racist, prejudiced people you ever dealt with.
“Dial one if you wish to carry out this transaction in English”. I’m an American in America. Why is there even a choice about what language I want to use?
Hispanics are everywhere. I ate breakfast in a McDonalds Saturday and 90% of the employees were Hispanic.
“XXX” astounds with –
“…Hispanics don’t assimilate.”
WHAT!?
I can’t imagine a more classic example of “assimilation” than working for McDonald’s. I thought everyone in America under the age of 40 got their first job at McDonald’s.
(I didn’t have the chops to go to Hamburger University. I went to Hamburger Community College. Got my Associates’ Degree in Pickle Placement.)
I know more Hispanics than I can count. “Assimilated” Hispanics.
Now illegals who’ve been lured here by illegal and unethical employers do tend to stay within their community. It’s like the bus-and-truck version of “The Diary of Anne Frank.” They keep a low profile as a means of survival.
None of those undocumented workers would be in the United States if someone hadn’t offered them a job for a
patheticbetter wage than they could earn in the Mexican hinterlands.Nail the employers!
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Monkeyhawk
Posted September 1, 2008 at 8:18 am | Permalink
Nail the employers!
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MH, I totally agree! If INS and ICE would do their jobs, half of the cleaning companies in Wichita would go belly up.
“XXX” –
I’ve killed more immigration threads than I care to think about by suggesting striped jump suits for the people who hire illegal aliens.
The CONs can’t argue against it. The CONs don’t want to hear it. They’re afraid of offending their corrupt business base.
They have a lot more fun with their thinly-veiled racism; bitching about even given the option to “Press 2″ on the phone; resenting it when the waitress speaks Spanish…in a Mexican restaurant.
It’s irony worthy of Greek Theatre that the Republic Party goes with its racists rather than embracing Hispanics. The culture is very family-centric, with a work ethic that blows away other demographics. They’re predominately Catholic and probably tend to advocate illegal abortions, like all good Republic Partisans.
But they’re brown.
Republic Party faithful tend to hate that.
“And them brown people speak Mezkin right in fronta people, probably just to insult us. I seen it!”
I cross border, poor and broke,
Take bus, see employment folk.
Nice man treat me good in there,
Say I need to see welfare.
Welfare say, “You come no more,
We send cash right to your door.”
Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
Medicaid it keep you healthy!
By and by, I got plenty money,
Thanks to you, American dummy.
Write to friends in motherland,
Tell them ‘come fast as you can.’
They come in droves and in Ford trucks,
I buy big house with welfare bucks
They come here, we live together,
More welfare checks, it gets better!
Fourteen families, they moving in,
But neighbor’s patience wearing thin.
Finally, white guy moves away,
Now I buy his house, and then I say,
“Find more illegals for house to rent.”
And in the yard I put a tent.
Send for family they just trash,
But they, too, draw the welfare cash!
Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighborhood.
We have hobby — it’s called breeding,
Welfare pay for baby feeding.
Kids need dentist? Wife need pills?
We get free! We got no bills!
American crazy! He pay all year,
To keep welfare running here.
We think America darn good place!
Too darn good for the white man race.
If they no like us, they can scram,
Got lots of room in Pakistan.
I don’t see the sense of an audit. It is “more illegal” if it costs more?
We have immigration laws for a reason..either enforce them or discard them all–this continuing situation breeds contempt for all laws.
March 6, 1836.
On that fateful day, Davy Crockett woke up and walked from his bunk on
the floor of the Alamo up to the observation post on the west wall.
William B. Travis and Jim Bowie were up there already. The three gazed at
the hordes of Mexicans moving steadily towards them.
Davy turned to Bowie with a puzzled look on his face and said, “Jim, are we landscaping today?”
Does anybody really think that a Legislative audit will not be dominated by the Business Roundtable people? The open borders crowd and those who thrive employing illegals will write the final report. There is no large organized group opposing illegal immigration because those that do are painted as racist, xenophobic, hate mongers.
The report that will be written will show illegal workers in a most favorable light. They will gloss over the crime, drugs, and the burden that illegals place on schools, hospitals, and State resources. It will not even mention the downward pressure on wages that has resulted from so many of these people coming up here and taking our jobs. And for sure it will not mention the high birth rates that these people have that will multiply their numbers much faster than the indigenous Kansas population.
Face it, the big cigars want cheap labor and the democrats want new voters. Those of us who want illegal immigration stopped before its to late don’t count.
And they’re the most racist, prejudiced people you ever dealt with.
Not to mention rude and completely oblivious to the laws, especially when operating a vehicle.
If INS and ICE would do their jobs, half of the cleaning companies in Wichita would go belly up.
Too many INS agents are padding their pocket with money.
The immigration audit was a delay tactic used by the minority to prevent swift action by the republican majority – to end public support and sanctuary for illegal criminals flooding into Kansas.
Regardless of the outcome – these criminals are all still here ILLEGALLY.
Get it?
Republicans joined in approving the study because they are stupid and/or didn’t really want to do anything about the illegal immigrants in Kansas.
Take your pick.
“American_Way” posits –
“Republicans joined in approving the study because they are stupid and/or didn’t really want to do anything about the illegal immigrants in Kansas.”
You just hit the Daily Double, “American_Way.”
They’re both stupid and don’t give a damn about enforcing the law against corporations that hire illegal workers.
The Republic Party prefers to blame the victims of illegal employers’ exploitation.
“They’re brown, y’know? And they speak Mezkin.”
Doesn’t matter. Neither party gives a shit about illegals. Per posters here: One party wants them for slave labor, the other party has a bleeding heart for their criminal souls.
The study, will delay any action. This involves considerable time.
1. Political discussion and agreement on what the study should consist of.
2. Study the possible contractors to do the study.
3. Party fight over who to contract to do the study.
4. Selection process of contractor.
5. Contractual period to conduct study.
6. Time to release study to public.
7. Time for politicans to study the study.
8. Time for politicans to argue the merits to the study results.
9. Time to propose any minor legislation to enact the study recommendations.
10. Delay tactics at the state house.
11. Time on agenda to vote on the issues.
12. Time for the THEN gov. to sign or veto.
13. If veto, time to start all over again.
Anyone remember the school financing study?
In effect: The study KILLS any legislation on ILLEGAL CRIMINALS taking jobs and resources in the sanctuary state surrounded by tough law states.
Our legislature should grow some brass balls and act on the principles involved in allowing sanctuary to an increasing number of illegal criminals coming to Kansas.
Can’t they think for themselves?
“.Wichita 344,284
2.Overland Park 149,080
3.Kansas City 146,866
4.Topeka 122,377
5.Olathe 92,962
6.Lawrence 80,098
7. Illegal Aliens 70,000″
Regular how old is this data?
I mean on just about any Sunday I can go to the parks and see that many illegals. I think these numbers are low.
“I mean on just about any Sunday I can go to the parks and see that many illegals. I think these numbers are low.” — Kandi Sue
Wow, I didn’t think business was that good, Kandi!
There are about 275,000 Hispanics in Kansas. — http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20000.html
Isn’t this why God made .357’s.
It is at our home.
I cannot believe the audacity of some people. First, the dems and MSM are almost beside themselves and wishing that Hurricane Gustav will hit New Orleans again in hopes that it will make the republicans look bad because they are having their RNC. Now it seems as though they are worried that if Gustav hits, it’s going to make the republicans look good.
The arrogance of it all is the dem libs never seem to care about the people living there. They don’t even mention it. These are the same people that said that President Bush didn’t care about these people when Katrina hit. Oh the irony. Once again, they have proven themselves the liars that they are. It was not that Pres. Bush didn’t care about New Orleans residents, it is that they, the dem libs that do not care.
“I cannot believe the audacity of some people. First, the dems and MSM are almost beside themselves and wishing that Hurricane Gustav will hit New Orleans again in hopes that it will make the republicans look bad because they are having their RNC. Now it seems as though they are worried that if Gustav hits, it’s going to make the republicans look good.” — Borg element 216
Please, Borg element 216, the Pukes are doing exactly the same thing; McCain and Palin are poised for photo-ops, a republican was interviewed on CNN complaining that Gustav would steal their show; and another was claiming that how well McCain appeared to handle the crisis would be what swayed voters.
No one is being very noble in this crisis, including yourself. You’ve just attempted to use the crisis to denigrate the opposing party.
Give my regards to your line mates 217 and 215, and how’s that nasty colon problem coming along with 316, your friend in the immediate cell above you?
My my, what’s this I hear?? Gustav has gone down to a category one and there was no damage. Once again the thunder has been taken away from the democrat liberal MSM. I actually heard the reporter say, “Today, there was quite a scare in New Orleans”. You know how badly they wanted that hurricane to devastate New Orleans once again.
Seems that Mayor Nagin just can’t get it right. When he should have evacuated, he didn’t and when he did, the hurricane turned out to be a pussy cat..
I am very pleased that it didn’t hit. At least the people of New Orleans have a home to go home to and no one was hurt. Not to mention that all of the rebuilding by everyone didn’t go in vain. btw, even tho your precious media doesn’t say anything about it, there have been many missions from churches in America going to New Orleans for the past 3 years to help rebuild. Just think, it is the churches that have helped New Orleans more than the government.
First the MSM was expecting great things with Obama and his temple and their thunder got squashed by McCain’s announcement of Sarah Palin as his running mate. Then they wanted to destroy the republicans in hopes that Gustav would destroy New Orleans again but their thunder got squashed again when it fizzled out.
“there have been many missions from churches in America going to New Orleans for the past 3 years to help rebuild. Just think, it is the churches that have helped New Orleans more than the government.” Borg Clone 216
Would that include the billions spent on levy improvement?
We need to get our local asshat politicians to pass an illegal alien bill to match the one in Oklahoma. But again our local politicians didnt vote for it last session. We need to pressure them to start frog marching some business owners into jail and seizing their businesses and selling them.
Tulsa has seen over 25,000 leave and the local Tulsa police are now taking the Federal Section 287g training to be able to enforce immigration laws.
This helps immensely with their GANG activity. They can get them deported faster than getting them into the Criminal justice system with all the rules etc. Load them up and get them out.
I believe the police here a looking into getting this training also. We need to make sure they do and follow up on it.
anyone who is stupid enough to believe that the numbers have been reduced has their head in the sand. KANSAS IS THE SANTUARY STATE OF THE MIDWEST!!!
surrounding states have taken strong action. Our gutless, traitors in Topeka hung us all out to dry.
Check out Kansasforlegalimmigration.com
I completely support Nile’s proposal.
I am sick and tired of you damn immigrationoids ranting and railing about “illegal immigration”… and the only thing you’ve done is make it next to impossible for me to get my financee here LEGALLY.
If you want to control “illegal immigration”:
1. Fund ICE adequately. This will end the 80 percent of “undocumented” aliens who enter legally, but become “illegal” because their paperwork NEVER gets processed on time. This would allow the government to go after the people who really do come here illegally;
2. Give Congress the nad to stop all the “flavor of the month” exclusions to immigration law. Federal case law states that if an “illegal” immigrant claims one of those exemptions, the burden of proof falls on the government to prove he/she doesn’t qualify. Of course, that means that 186,000 Afghans who haven’t had their paperwork processed since 2001 would have to go home and face the Taliban, but what the hey.
3. Implement a temporary “guest worker” program for 3-5 years. Yeah, you might call that “amnesty”, but let’s face it: you ain’t gonna get 20 million people in the back of Bubba’s pickemup truck.
Granted, that’s not a “final solution”. But it breaks the problem down to the three percent who actually cause most of the trouble… which is, at least, a STARTING point.
I know this is unique and novel idea.
How about enforcing the laws we have now.
The reason it took my niece and her mother 2 years is the ineffective immigration system.
You cant give amnesty until you stop the next flood.
Kansasforlegalimmigration.com is registered to Tom Palmer of Augusta Kansas, according to whois lookup. Same street address.. Is that you, Tom?
This must be the husband of Senator Peggy Palmer from Augusta?
So great that you guys can drive by a park and tell someone’s legal status just by looking at them. Or is this what is known as “prejudice” as in pre-judging.
Hell, we’d have a workable immigration system that worked for employers, the guest workers and for America, except it is too useful as a phony wedge issue so the Republicans can make cheap political points.
Eight years, and all you guys could do is build a partial wall!!!??? Whahhahahahaha!
If driving 80 mph on I-70 doesn’t cost so much, we should stop enforcing the Speed Limit.
BEFORE we enforce the Speed Limit, there should be a STUDY completed to determine the cost of speeding.
If you really want to solve the problem instead of just bitching about it, how about enforcing the labor laws already on the books? Force employers to abide by wage and hour laws, give the same benefits to all workers. Treat the immigrant the same as any other employee, and the illegals lose their competitive edge. End the ability of employers to exploit a segment of the labor force and you’ve ended most of the illegal immigration problem.
Of course that also means that some industries will lose a substantial number of cheap workers, and that Big Mac will get substantially more expensive, but at least the bigots here can eat it without having to hear Spanish spoken or see a Hispanic face.
mrcontroversy
Posted September 1, 2008 at 4:43 pm | Permalink
I completely support Nile’s proposal.
I am sick and tired of you damn immigrationoids ranting and railing about “illegal immigration”… and the only thing you’ve done is make it next to impossible for me to get my financee here LEGALLY.
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Thats right Mr. C, blame it on the people who want to stop illegals instead of the real people who are making it hard for your fiancee to get here. The open borders crowd in DC and Mexico.