Blaming the media for Palin concerns, revelations

The McCain campaign is trotting out an oldie-but-goodie response to concerns and revelations about vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin: Blame the media. A recurring theme so far at the Republican National Convention has been that the media are out to get Palin and Republicans. Fred Thompson claimed during his speech Tuesday that “media big shots” are attacking Palin because she doesn’t “talk a good game” on Sunday talk shows and “hit the Washington cocktail party circuit.” Steve Schmidt, a McCain senior strategist, charged that media outlets were “on a mission to destroy” Palin. Here’s a less conspiratorial explanation for the media attention and the questions about Palin’s qualification: McCain picked a little-known, inexperienced politician as his running mate.

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  1. JMWalker
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    As usual, the truth gets left behind during elections. I know facts don’t mean a thing to the Republicans, but facts don’t lie:

    ST. PAUL, Minn. – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

    Some examples:

    PALIN: “I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending … and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress ‘thanks but no thanks’ for that Bridge to Nowhere.”

    THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a “bridge to nowhere.”

    PALIN: “There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform – not even in the state senate.”

    THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

    PALIN: “The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.”

    THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama’s plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain’s plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

    Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

    He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

    MCCAIN: “She’s been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America’s energy supply … She’s responsible for 20 percent of the nation’s energy supply. I’m entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America,” he said in an interview with ABC News’ Charles Gibson.

    THE FACTS: McCain’s phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she’s no more “responsible” for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state – by population.

    MCCAIN: “She’s the commander of the Alaska National Guard. … She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities,” he said on ABC.

    THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under “federal status,” which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska’s national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

    FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin “got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.”

    THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor’s election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

    FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: “We need change, all right – change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington – throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin.”

    THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080903-2037-cvn-factcheck.html

  2. Indie
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    I wonder if SHE vetted this about her running mate

    …. And a trollop?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADmuftIjlSE&feature=related

  3. Indie
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Shw called Hillary a whiner for doing the same thing she and the Republican party are using as a campaign / political tactic — again the republicans show no style — no substance and oh so little class —- waaahhhhhh the media is asking me to explain myself …… so sad

  4. Indie
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    In case you missed this in yesterdays blog – still relevent here – thanks Shadow

    SHADOW_KNOWS
    Posted September 3, 2008 at 10:10 pm | Permalink
    Palin’s Earmarks Called “Objectionable Pork” by McCain?
    Wed Sep 3,

    To quote Will Ferrell in Zoolander, “Doesn’t anybody notice this? I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!”

    As part of her executive experience that the McCain campaign so highly promotes, Sarah Palin requested millions in earmarks from Congress. Three of them, totaling nearly $2 million, were classified as “objectionable pork” by…. John McCain.

    Reports the Chicago Tribune:

    This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. “The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship,” she wrote in a newspaper column.
    In 2001, McCain’s list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town — one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.

    McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin’s tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

    Come on, now.

    Look, this means one of two things. Either John McCain barely looked into Palin’s background and didn’t realize he called her a Federal funding hog in the past. Or, McCain’s team did vet her, knew she worked for everything McCain stood against, and he didn’t give a damn that she wasn’t the reformer he would make her out to be. If that’s true, then he’s saying he doesn’t care because this was a craven political selection, not one based on principle or ability.

    Whichever it is, it sure isn’t good for McCain. But, he does need to answer this important question – did he vet her, or is he simply misrepresenting her to the nation?

    Oh, and this has nothing to do with sexism. It has to do with the man topping the ticket, not doing his due diligence on his first major presidential decision.

  5. writerdog
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    Palin maybe a God sent for the GOP as every time it is pointed to her lack of experience it brings to the forefront Obama’s. Though she is one breath away from POTUS she is not running for POTUS.
    Obama is and with Palin the focus with an attack on her lacking is bring the best weapon to the topic the Republicans have against Obama.

  6. outlander
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    “Here’s a less conspiratorial explanation for the media attention and the questions about Palin’s qualification: McCain picked a little-known, inexperienced politician as his running mate.” – Brownlee

    Baloney Phillip. The media treatment was disgraceful, mean and sexist. In their scrambleto learn about Ms. Palin they violated journalistic ethics. They took untrue rumors spread by the usual disgusting left wing web sites and they ran with them.

    But on another note, what a performance by Gov Palin! Cool under pressure. Articulate, likeable, and mainstream. Able to skewer her opponent with a smile. Sarah Palin is no “little-known, inexperienced politician”.

    Should be very interesting to watch the race.

  7. Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    Basically the media was caught flat footed last Friday. They were unprepared and had not done any media research (ie: they hadn’t been able to dig up any dirt on her). The media reacted the way they are wont to do when caught off guard. The went off willy nilly and started reporting anything they could about her, even from questionable sources (left wing blogs). The blow back was very messy and they are still trying to get it off their faces. Now with their desperation showing they are trying to destroy her by any means possible. Bottom line, the MSM has no confidence in Obama’s ability to win this thing. They think it is up to them to win it for him.

  8. george
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    The news media are mostly libel and biased, I have to listen for my self and go to the internet to get all sides of the story. The news media are all bottom feeders and always look for the worst. Obama & Biden has no experience in running anything. Obama in my opinion is a communist type candidate and I would fear for my life and pocketbook if he was to get elected. McCain has picked an excellent person in the most popular governor in this country. It’s no wonder newspapers are losing money & profits with their attitudes. Isn’t Philip part of an evil corporation, the media despise?

  9. Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Not buying it outlander.

    YOUR party chose one of YOUR people, gave her a machine gun and put her in a skirt.

    Her and her ideology are dangerous. Nothing should be held back from shoving her back under her rock.

  10. Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    “I have to listen for my self ”

    Heh

  11. RFL
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    The worst pick in this race? Biden over Hillary.

    McCain shook things up with the unexpected Palin pick. McCain-Palin does not look anything like Bush-Cheney no matter how hard the Dems and the media want to make that stick. McCain-Palin generates excitement. Obama-Biden? Snoooooze…

    But don’t forget this Democrats; McCain does not know how many houses he owns! I have not heard much about this all too important issue lately.

  12. Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Don’t blame the media or bloggers for your doddering old candidates unvetted choice for VP Chris.

  13. Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    When I watched Rudy Juliana last night, I thought he was great. I kept thinking, I sure hope Sarah Palin can top that. I hope she doesn’t look bad. I am glad to say that she looked even better than Juliana.

    I think what the MSM can’t stand is that she shows that she is not afraid of them. They were really upset when she said that she was not going to Washington to fit in with the good old boys and to impress the media but she was going to Washington to make changes and to be a servant to the people in America.

    You see the MSM thinks that they can control our government and she is telling them those days are over. She is telling the American people that she cares about us more than she does playing Washington as usual. Now why would anyone not want someone like that in Washington?

    btw – I just heard a lady on C-Span and she was talking about the words that Sarah Palin said that Barack Obama was not one of us. For some reason this caller thought that she was talking about race. Anybody who was watching that speech knows that she was talking about him going to the Ivy League schools such as Harvard and Princeton vs. her and her husband just being regular average income earning people working in their community. Her husband is a fisherman and a snowmobile racer and she was a Mom that joined the PTA, got on the City Council, became City Mayor and then became Governor. And her dad was a farmer and her mom was a teacher. That is what she meant by one of us.

  14. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    She’s a distraction. Her showing up has focused attention on Sarah.

    What about the deficit, the debt, the war, the economy. Healthcare and healthcare, lets not forget healthcare.

    Perscription drug expenses, cost of food, inflation, inflation, inflation. Rising unemployment, lack of job opportunities ect..

  15. Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Poor Levi.

    Guy? I know you call yourself a redneck. Ya live half your life at the end of the Earth in the dark can do that.

    But they shaved your head and made you wear a suit. You are already half way to being a Republidroid.

    Run Levi run!

  16. flatlander
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    These democrat bloggers are short minded or no minds at all.. Hello! whos has controlled congress for the last two years, the democrats, The pesident doesnt make policy the congress does.What has congress done, NOTHING, If you people want to blast someone start in your own party.

  17. beber
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    It’s Giuliani, Borg Clone # 216. Watch out are you’ll be expelled from the collective.

  18. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Sarah Palin calls herself a “pit bull” and throws sneering lies at Barack Obama, but then whines about being a victim when media investigations expose her misuses of power and rank political lies?

    As somebody who presents herself as ready to be “a heartbeat away” from the Presidency, how can Sarah Palin expect us to believe she can stand up to Putin when her response to being forced to defend her shameful record of abuse of power is to pretend to be a damsel in distress?

  19. beber
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    are = or

    Juliana = Giuliani
    Palan = Palin

  20. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Flatlander,

    This charts for you enjoy

    http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2007/07/20/16/654-20070720-FILIBUSTERS.large.prod_affiliate.91.jpg

  21. outlander
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Chuckle… Putin would be quaking in his boots (secretly of course, being KGB) about facing this woman CF.

    Like Joe Biden.

  22. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/155/story/18218.html

    snip

    The trend has been evolving for 30 years. The reasons behind it are too complex to pin on one party. But it has been especially pronounced since the Democrats’ razor-thin win in last year’s election, giving them effectively a 51-49 Senate majority, and the Republicans’ exile to the minority.

    Seven months into the current two-year term, the Senate has held 42 “cloture” votes aimed at shutting off extended debate — filibusters, or sometimes only the threat of one — and moving to up-or-down votes on contested legislation. Under Senate rules that protect a minority’s right to debate, these votes require a 60-vote supermajority in the 100-member Senate.

    Democrats have trouble mustering 60 votes; they’ve fallen short 22 times so far this year. That’s largely why they haven’t been able to deliver on their campaign promises.

    By sinking a cloture vote this week, Republicans successfully blocked a Democratic bid to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by April, even though a 52-49 Senate majority voted to end debate.

    This year Republicans also have blocked votes on immigration legislation, a no-confidence resolution for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and major legislation dealing with energy, labor rights and prescription drugs.

    Nearly 1 in 6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes. If this pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous record number of cloture votes — 58 each in the two Congresses from 1999-2002, according to the Senate Historical Office.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., forced an all-night session on the Iraq war this week to draw attention to what Democrats called Republican obstruction.

    “The minority party has decided we have to get to 60 votes on almost everything we vote on of substance,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo. “That’s not the way this place is supposed to work.”

  23. HLP
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    I love it!

    As you go through life you come to have hopes and expectations. When life’s little events exceed your expectations you are happy and content. The secret to business is to merely exceed your customer’s expectations.

    Last night I had high expectations for Sarah Palin. She exceeded my hopes! She was like a bright light turned on in a room full of rats and roaches. They are running for cover!

    Be afraid libs.

  24. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Having a common enemy among the loose confederation of people who hate things and other people is always the go-to strategy for the Republic party.

  25. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

    I liked the way Fred Thompson put it about raising taxes on small businesses.

    paraphrased:

    “The Democrats want to raise taxes on one side of the water bucket, but not on your side of the bucket, the middle to lower income folks – it won’t affect you right?”

    Money is a fluid. It flows back and forth between capitol raiser, capitol user and the average pay earner.

    If you rob Peter to pay Paul, all will be affected.

    XYZ business that employees 8 employees and its owner makes 250,000/year gross is subject to the Democrats increased taxes. They will trim back on employee costs and charge the consumer more.

    The Democrats are delusional and have always tried to sell this bucket of sour milk for decades.

    It doesn’t work.

  26. Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    That’s funny annie_moose, good one. That”s exactly how the MSM sounds. They always repeat things and really believe that they are still brainwashing the citizens of the USA with this tactic. You would think that they would wake up one day and realize that we are not buying it anymore. More and more citizens are waking up and seeing the hypocrites that they really are.
    We watch them with such disdain.

    And don’t start blaming it on radio talk show hosts. Every time the MSM has to change their story or only shows something a few times and acts like they never said it or won’t tell the American people when they got it wrong or keep repeating a lie over and over again, that is when we see the truth for what they really are, LIARS and HYPOCRITES. And Sarah Palin called them on it. Yeah!!!!

  27. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    HLP,

    We are, HLP: the thought of Sarah Palin wielding the Presidency in support of her twisted aims screams danger on a planetary scale.

    She wants an America that’s barefoot and pregnant.

  28. Deb
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Brownlee, the democrats picked an inexperienced PRESIDENTIAL candidate.

  29. Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    How about blaming the “liberal mainstream media” for leading the cheers as Bush took us into Iraq?

  30. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Thanks bh,

    I’ll repeat it for you then baby.

    She’s a distraction. Her showing up has focused attention on Sarah.

    What about the deficit, the debt, the war, the economy. Healthcare and healthcare, lets not forget healthcare.

    Perscription drug expenses, cost of food, inflation, inflation, inflation. Rising unemployment, lack of job opportunities ect..

  31. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Outlander,

    Things didn’t go so well the last time self-important, delusional American Fundamentalist from an oil-producing state went up against Putin, now did they? Nothing I’ve seen thus suggests otherwise than that Putin will outplay Crash-Landing McCain and Glass-Jaw Sarah.

  32. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    The media is to blame, they’re the ones putting out political tripe by the truckload. It’s not your local barber doing it you know.

    There has been so much man-love by the media with the Obama campaign, it has become sickening.

    It’s like the Liberal Media have just discovered Negroes and they found one that could talk.

    If Obama had been a white man there wouldn’t have been nearly the same interest. For the media and the Democrats it’s all about “ease our guilty conscious by running our token black man mindset.”

    Why else would the Liberal media and the Democrats throw Hillary Clinton under the bus?

    Even Obama’s own running mate Senator Biden, says that Obama is not experienced enough to be President.

    How much more clear does the MSM and the Democrats want it?

  33. Bill_McKean
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    HEY PHIL:
    I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE STARTED A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PORPER ROLE OF JOURNALISTS IN AN ELECTION CYCLE. THE EAGLE REFUSES TO INVESTIGATE CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS OR SCANDALS INVOLVING SEVERAL JUDGES AND ATTORNEYS THAT ARE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT (FOULSTON, ROTH, FLEETWOOD, HENDERSON, WARE, PILSHAW, WALTERS, CALVERT). BECAUSE THE EAGLE HAS A REPUTATION FOR CENSORING NEGATIVE STORIES ABOUT NOLA FOULSTON’S OFFICE, DISTRICT JUDGES & THE LOCAL SRS OFFICIALS, THE CORRUPTION HAS BECOME VERFY SYSTEMIC. INSTEAD OF DOING ITS JOB, THE EAGLE TRIES TO CURRY FAVOR WITH THE RULING WICHITA ELITISTS BY PROMOTING PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND TAX-PAYER FUNDED SUBSIDIES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPERS OR MAKING STUPID VIDEOS WITH BUCKY WALTERS.
    I POSTED THE FOLLOWING COMMENT ONE SHERRY’S BLOG TO DOCUMENT THAT I POSTED A COMMENT ON THE AP ARTICLE REGARDING ERIC MELGREN’S NOMINAITON TO THE FEDERAL BENCH PROBABLY BE CENSORED OR DELETED.

    MY POST ON SHERRY’S BLOG:
    Hey Sherry:
    Because the Eagle has blocked my ability to send any employee an e-mail including scanned documents about corruption allegations by attorneys & judges that are currently running for elected office, I had to copy the following comment that I just made about the AP story regarding Eric Melgren’s nomination for federal judge to make sure that you will not censor it. I also want to remind you that when this story finally breaks wide open, you and Pam Siddall are going to look very sleazy and/or very incompetent for refusing to do any slam dunk investigative reporting regarding the court house scandals involving Todd Wait, Joe Liddle, Barry Simpson and many others. As always I appreciate the opportunity to exercise my right to free speech by posting this blog comment although I’m not sure that any one has enough respect for you to even read this blog. However I am writing this post only to encourage the low level Eagles employees to express their disgust with the Eagle’s failure to perform its basic ethical duties to the community to report government crimes that destroys children & families. I think that the McLatchy executives don’t care because by now they know that the Eagle is a lost cause both financially and ethically.
    Bill McKean 316 293-6079
    THIS IS MY POST THAT I TRIED TO PUBLISH TODAY:
    TYPICAL CRAPPY REPORTING by the elitist fascist editors & reporters at the Eagle that are closely related with the influential members of Kansas legal establishment. The article states that Melgren was quietly nominated on 7/23 yet the Eagle did not report it until now. Eric Melgren, the Eagle & The Topeka Bureau of the Associated Press are all aware of the widespread corruption in the Kansas Judiciary that is covered up or condoned by the US Attorney’s Office, the federal judiciary in Kansas (or their current spouses Gov. Sebellus or former spouses – Sen. Vrtil), the Kansas & Wichita Bar Associations, District attorney Nola Foulston’s office and most importantly the local staff of Sen. Brownback office. Even Iowa Senator Grassley knows about the corruption problems in Nola Foulston’s office and Judge Pilshaw’s courtroom based on his attempts to intervene in the human rights atrocity & crimes against Iowa disabled vet Joe Liddle and his son David by from Judge Rebecca Pilshaw, prosecutor Christine Ladner & Court trustee al Genine Ware. Even though Ware & Pilshaw are running for office as county clerk & district court judge, the Eagle refuses to contact Joe Liddle even though I have provided reporter Joe Rodriguez them with copies of Liddle’s documents at year ago and Joe has published many e-mails concerning his allegations. It’s time for concerned citizens to start making phones calls to the Democratic Staff of the Senate Judiciary Committee at (202) 224-7703 to block Melgren’s life time appointment. I know that I am going to try to contact Libertarian candidate Bob Barr’s staff to complain about the bipartisan fascist GOP & Democrat parties in Kansas that is controlled by wealthy individuals and power law firms. NOTE – NOLA FOULSTON HAS THE POWER TO CHARGE ME WITH CRIMINAL DEFAMATION UNDER STATE LAW FOR PUBLISHING THIS COMMENT. IS ANY ONE ELSE WILLING TO STAND UP TO NOLA?? Bill McKean 316 293-6079

    Posted on Thu, Sep. 04, 2008
    Bush nominates Kansas’ Melgren for judiciary
    BY ROXANA HEGEMAN
    Associated Press
    As the clock ticks on his administration, President Bush has nominated a bevy of judicial candidates to lifetime-tenured positions on the federal bench. Among them is U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren of Kansas, a politically connected Republican stalwart.
    Nearly half of the 34 pending nominations for 42 vacancies in the federal judiciary were chosen in late June and July, government records show. If confirmed, Melgren — who was quietly nominated on July 23 — is slated to fill the Wichita vacancy created with the semiretirement of U.S. District Judge Monti Belot.
    On Wednesday, U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., sent a letter to Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, asking him to schedule a hearing on Melgren’s nomination at its Sept. 9 hearing.
    The Kansas senator argued for Melgren’s speedy consideration given that the Kansas federal judicial district is facing “a unique and difficult challenge” because of the age of several judges and its reliance on a temporary judgeship set to expire this fall.
    But the number of judicial nominations so late in the administration has raised questions about whether they can all be confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the Democratic-controlled Senate before time runs out on Bush’s term.
    “It is unusual and I think people have wondered why the president has nominated so many people at the end of his administration,” said Carl Tobias, a University of Richmond (Va.)law professor.
    Brownback told Leahy in his letter that given the pace of hearings and the Senate schedule, it is likely the Sept. 9 hearing will be the only opportunity for nominees to appear before the committee.
    “It is very political, and the president has to know that these people are not going to be confirmed because it is just not physically possible, given the way the process works,” Tobias said, noting that nominees must undergo FBI background checks, evaluations from the American Bar Association and hearings by both the committee and Senate.
    Melgren has not yet received an ABA evaluation, something Brownback asked Leahy to overlook.
    As the top federal law enforcement official in Kansas, Melgren has been a strong advocate of minimum prison sentences. Melgren declined an interview for this story, citing protocol for judicial nominees.
    But in an op-ed piece published in The Eagle in 2004, Melgren wrote, “The fact that our prisons are full is not a call to revise our sentencing laws. Crime is down because prison populations are up. Our neighborhoods are safer because tough sentencing laws are working.”
    Under Melgren’s leadership, the U.S. attorney’s office in Kansas has prosecuted far more people than it did under his predecessors. During the first eight months of this fiscal year, the government reported 727 new federal prosecutions in the district of Kansas. At that pace, Kansas would have 1,091 prosecutions for the year, according to Department of Justice data analyzed by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University.
    Federal prosecutions in Kansas are up 185 percent from 20 years ago and up 123 percent from 10 years ago, TRAC reported.
    The uptick in federal prosecutions has been a nationwide trend under Bush’s Justice Department. Prosecutions across the country are up 140 percent from 20 years ago and up 77 percent compared with 10 years ago, according to the TRAC analysis.

  34. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Approval ratings:

    Palin- 80%

    McCain,Biden,TheOne- 19%

  35. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    What”s Sarah going to do about this?

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

    This is the interest payment for 1 year on the debt

    2007 $429,977,998,108.20

  36. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Yup. She’s good.

    A month ago, the Obama people thought this race was in the bag. Done. Over. McCain had to shake the race up.

    He did. Palin’s a hit. The denial seen on this blog, the worry from the left says it all. She is exactly what Obama isn’t: genuine.

    Here’s Sarah Palin, a small town girl made good, mayor of her home town, now Governor for two years. And in that short time, she has more governing experience than the top of the Democratic ticket.

    And she’s articulate (can you say that about a woman???:) ). She’s fiesty. She’s photogenic. Her families “flaws” (like we all have) simply point out that she is exactly what she claims to be.

    The Democratic worry in the media, and on this blog, is palpable.

    Two months ago, McCain wasn’t in this race. Now it’s a race.

  37. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Repukes,

    The media reviews generally have been positive for Sarah Palin’s speech. Of course, having one’s coming-out party before throngs of hopped-up die-hards doesn’t exactly test one’s abilities as a stateswoman.

    To that end, I’d like to ask a question. Namely, how does it you feel that your VP pick benefitted so greatly from “the soft bigotry of low expectations?”

  38. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    What’s Sarah going to do about this?

    US home foreclosures surge 55 pct in past year

    Aug 14, 2008

    WASHINGTON (AFP) — US home foreclosures rocketed 55 percent in the past year, a private research report showed Thursday underlining that the American property market remains mired in a troublesome downturn.

    The survey, compiled by the California-based research group RealtyTrac, said that foreclosure filings, including default, auction sale notices and bank repossessions, spiked 55 percent in the 12 months to July.

    On a monthly basis, foreclosure filings increased eight percent in July affecting 272,171 properties, accelerating from the three percent rate recorded in June.

    “Bank repossessions, or REOs, continued to be the fastest growing segment of foreclosure activity in July,” said James Saccacio, RealtyTrac’s chief executive.

    The national survey revealed that one in every 464 US households received a foreclosure filing during the month as housing market woes continued to plague the world’s largest economy.

  39. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    What is with all this “cut and paste” crap.
    Come on people, a blog isn’t for “getting” your news, It’s for talking about the news you already got! Let’s hear what YOU have to say, YOUR opinions, not some dill weed writer from another planet.

    BTW Palin was pretty good.

  40. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    What Palin didn’t talk about:
    “.

    A government report showed an unexpected jump in the number of people filing for jobless benefits in the recent week, while a report by ADP Employer Services showed that U.S. private employers cut 33,000 jobs in August.

  41. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Anything of substance.

  42. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    To that end, I’d like to ask a question. Namely, how does it you feel that your VP pick benefitted so greatly from “the soft bigotry of low expectations?”

    CF –

    1) That displays your bigotry, not mine, CF. I have no low expectations for a woman. Any woman. Perhaps you need to pick your women better if your expectations are low.

    2) Psssssst. (whispering) If I were to play your game, I could well say the same about the top of your ticket. We can bandy about what was exaggeration or not last night, but one thing is not: Barack Obama is the least prepared candidate for president in the last century. That’s simply a fact.

    Careful, CF. I can hear you sweating.

  43. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    What’s Sarah gonna do about this ?

    U.S. seeing worst food inflation in 17 years
    Food vendors are forced to explain higher prices; poor squeezed
    Wonder Bagels shop
    Owner Sam Iliewat stands outside his Wonder Bagels shop in Jersey City, N.J. Iliewat recently posted a letter from the store’s wheat supplier to help explain the increases in food prices to his customers.
    Max Pasion / AP

    April 15: Higher food, energy costs may drive up the Consumer Price Index. CNBC’s Michelle Caruso Cabrera reports.

    NEW YORK – Steve Tarpin can bake a graham cracker crust in his sleep, but explaining why the price for his Key lime pies went from $20 to $25 required mastering a thornier topic: global economics.

    He recently wrote a letter to his customers and posted it near the cash register listing the factors — dairy prices driven higher by conglomerates buying up milk supplies, heat waves in Europe and California, demand from emerging markets and the weak dollar.

  44. Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Yeah, how dare the media report on Palin’s actual record and not the record she made up in her head. She says she is opposed to federal earmarks but requested millions of dollars from the feds and bragged about how successful she was at getting them ($27 million for Wasilla alone).

    She claims to be a reformer but is involved in a huge scandal.

    She bragged about opposing the land bridge which she initially supporting claiming that she is the one responsible for killing the bill. Only Congress can kill the bill, she ain’t in Congress.

    She lied about Obama’s record failing to mention that he sponsored legislation to do things like ethics reform in Congress and reducing the world stockpiles of loose nukes and WMD.

    She claimed Obama would raise everyone’s taxes Obama would reduce middle class income taxes by 5% while McCain would raise them by 3%.

    She claimed she’s responsible for the oil production in Alaska. Actually the oil companies are responsible for that, she just collects the taxes.

    Perhaps if Palin were honest then she wouldn’t receive so much negative attention by the press. But what is she going to run on? Her record of wanting to ban books?

  45. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Amazes me how someone can honestly believe that God ordained this useless and costly Iraqi war which resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqi children…and she considers herself pro life?
    Did anyone who watched the RNC notice how ANGRY the Republicans are? Talk about mad and hateful people! And yet they love Bush, who has been the worst president and has done more damage to this country than any other. Makes no sense to me.

  46. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    What is with all this “cut and paste” crap.

    I’m asking a question what is Sarah going to do about— fill in the blank—-. Sorry issues bore you.

  47. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    She opposes sex education in schools, believes that creationism should be taught in public schools, is against gay rights, is anti abortion, is pro gun, and likes to hunt and kill animals…now does that sound like a woman who the Hilary supporters would vote for? The only thing they have in common is their gender.

  48. Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Sarah Palin reached out to the parents of special needs children.

    While her own special needs baby was being passed around like the drag along luggage.

    She didn’t mention that as Governor of Alaska, she cut the budget for special needs kids by 62%.

    Oh her hubby rides a “snow” machine all right.

    All night.

  49. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Was comparing herself to a pit bull, a roundabout way of saying “I’m the Bitch”?

  50. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    To those of you who ask what Sarah is going to –

    please first tell what Obama will do besides raise taxes and give black’s repriations.

    The country is in horrible shape and we have a Democratic Congress and a Democratic Senate. What have they done?

  51. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Talk about mad and hateful people!

    Mary, I think you’ve described the left on this blog. You’re just projecting.

    They have therapy for that now . . . .

  52. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    annie_mouse- US home foreclosures surge 55 pct in past year.

    Fear tactic, 55% doesn’t really mean much. 55% is a relative number. If they aren’t telling you what it is relative to, it’s probably not all that bad.

    If there was 200 foreclosures last year, and there are 310 this year, 110 more foreclosures in a year doesn’t sound nearly as alarming as…

    OMG!!! FORECLOSURES ARE UP NEARLY 65%!!! OMG!!!
    HOMLESS PEOPLE EVERYWHERE!!!! WHERE IS THE GOVERNMENT!!!! HELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPP………

    I wish they’d put out the number as it relates to mortgages on the whole. Maybe the number of mortgages were up 56% and the number of foreclosures actually DROPPED?

    Who knows, 1/2 stories bug me.

  53. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Who’s the “Celebrity Candidate” now?

    The Trophy Veep certainly tapped her inner Mary Anne from “Gilligan’s Island.” Tonight we hear from the Skipper.

    Talk about bass-ackwards thinking. The Republic Party is excited, not about their candidate for President, but on the old man’s sidekick. The GOP base is lukewarm for Batman but energized by Robin.

  54. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Gmc, I dunno…being referred to as a pit bull sorta indicates you might be angry!

  55. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    GMC70,

    Well, well, well: looks like the Republicans have their own savior who will deliver them to the Promised Land. Glad that you Lim-Baughts have something to assuage your “Messiah Envy.” Though in y’all’s case, it exists alongside a houndish lust that is nauseating to behold.

    For someone who supposedly walks on water, though, she sure knows her way around some mud–wallowing in it AND slinging it.

    Let’s just say, though, that I’m not exactly holding my breath waiting for Independents to surge in her direction. Are you sure that nominating the “Anti-Woman woman” was the best strategy for widening the GOP’s appeal? She needs a little work on appearing, well, less scary and more Presidential.

    Maybe that will be the job for her first press conference. Though given the McCain camp’s current strategy of avoiding tough media questioning the way that roaches run from light, I expect we won’t be seeing Sarah Palin at the microphone in the National Press Club any time before, oh, say, November 5.

  56. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Maggotpuke- She says she is opposed to federal earmarks but requested millions of dollars from the feds and bragged about how successful she was at getting them ($27 million for Wasilla alone).

    Yeah, no kiddin! Who is our governor anyway?
    Why can’t our governor do something like that for Kansans?

  57. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso

    “She opposes sex education in schools, believes that creationism should be taught in public schools, is against gay rights, is anti abortion, is pro gun, and likes to hunt and kill animals…”

    What’s not to love about her?

    These are the some of the reasons I’m going to vote for her.

    Evil hates it.

    Democrats hate people who believe they are evil for killing babies.

  58. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    “The country is in horrible shape and we have a Democratic Congress and a Democratic Senate. What have they done?”

    Not as much damage as the Bush administration! It may take awhile to clean up this mess….and probably won’t happen anytime soon or without a lot of pain.

  59. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    So your not counting the thousands of innocent Iraqi children killed in a war she believes was ordained by God?

    Some people say they’re pro life…but they don’t walk the walk.
    I’m pro life, I just think the ideals should also extend to all children, not just the ones who aren’t born yet.

  60. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso: It may take awhile to clean up this mess.

    When are they going to start?

  61. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    To me it’s the ultimate hyprocrisy when you have a bunch of bible thumping Republicans who think it’s Ok to kill children for oil and power as long as they aren’t American. Shame on you, Kandisue.

  62. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    GMC70,

    Barack Obama won the Democratic Party’s nomination for President; Sarah Palin was handed the Republican nomination for the Vice-Presidency.

    There’s a difference between winning something for yourself,in spite of your identity, versus having it given to you because of your identity. All the difference in the world, in fact.

    You may want to keep that in mind, GMC70.

  63. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    biased1…as soon as Obama is in the White House.
    Like I said before, it ain’t gonna happen overnight.

  64. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:41 am | Permalink
    She opposes sex education in schools, believes that creationism should be taught in public schools, is against gay rights, is anti abortion, is pro gun, and likes to hunt and kill animals…now does that sound like a woman who the Hilary supporters would vote for?
    —–
    Hillary supporters may not vote for her, but I will.

  65. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    ” Sarah Palin Slashed Special Needs Education by 62%

    For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it might be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska.
    These funds provide supplementary educational services to students with severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. The resident school where the child would normally be placed does not have the resources to provide an adequate educational program. Without the supplementary services the child’s needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases.
    The following programs are included within this component:
    Special Education Service Agency (SESA)

    The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300.

    2007

    The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

    2008

    The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

    2009

    This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of 5,109,300 , or 62%.

    So, as the Alaska State Budget description states, “Without the supplementary services the child’s needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases.”

    Did 62% of all of the special needs children in Alaska stop having needs once Gov. Palin took office?”

  66. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    “She opposes sex education in schools, believes that creationism should be taught in public schools, is against gay rights, is anti abortion, is pro gun, and likes to hunt and kill animals…”

    What’s not to love about her?”

    I’m just pointing out why the Hilary supporters won’t vote for her…I’m sure the Republicans love her. But they’d go for anyone McCain picked. If he picked her thinking she’d have the same appeal as Hilary…he’s stupid.

  67. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Who knows, 1/2 stories bug me.

    use the google home foreclosures are at levels not seen since the great depression.

    Even in my neighborhood, addition built from 1998 to 2002. 130 total houses. 10 for sale additional 3 in foreclosure. This is in south Wichita.

    So what’s the common denominator? Why do so many people feel pressured to sell in a down market?

    How would Sarah react to this?

  68. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    “Hillary supporters may not vote for her, but I will.”
    I’m sure you will….I hope you won’t be too disappointed when Obama wins :)

  69. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    So what’s the common denominator? Why do so many people feel pressured to sell in a down market?
    How would Sarah react to this?
    ——
    Don’t buy something you can’t afford.

  70. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    “To me it’s the ultimate hyprocrisy when you have a bunch of bible thumping Republicans who think it’s Ok to kill children for oil and power as long as they aren’t American.”
    __________________________

    To me the “utimate hyprocrisy” is listening to a bunch of whining liberals. The whine if you do, and whine if you don’t. They just whine…..
    (oh, and throw someone elses money at percieved problems.)

  71. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    It’s a safe bet they will keep her off any and all talk show formats, you know, like Meet the Press.

  72. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    BlueJay just peed on the carpet…..again.

  73. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    #
    Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Amazes me how someone can honestly believe that God ordained this useless and costly Iraqi war which resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqi children…and she considers herself pro life?
    ———————-
    You mean like the estimated 25-30 MILLION American children abortion advocates have killed since Roe V Wade?

  74. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink
    It’s a safe bet they will keep her off any and all talk show formats, you know, like Meet the Press.
    ——-
    I doubt it. She seems not to take shit from anyone. It would be wise to let her speak to the people.

  75. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    “So what’s the common denominator? Why do so many people feel pressured to sell in a down market?”

    I think many people are having to downsize due to the increased cost of living caused by oil prices. Or maybe they want to sell before their home goes into foreclosure.

  76. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    “as soon as Obama is in the White House”

    So raising my taxes, raising my bosses taxes, raising your taxes, not allowing more drilling, new nuclear power plants or new refineries is going to help me how?

  77. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    GMC70,

    Well, well, well: looks like the Republicans have their own savior who will deliver them to the Promised Land. Glad that you Lim-Baughts have something to assuage your “Messiah Envy.” Though in y’all’s case, it exists alongside a houndish lust that is nauseating to behold.
    =====================================

    Mousy Tongue, aka CF2K using biblical words and analogies.

    Shouldn’t you and your other admitted leftist buddy, CraponAmerica be out burning flags and bombing government buildings?

  78. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Well while you are following me around “ANTI”?

    Maybe YOU would like to tell us how it is Sarah Palin will be an advocate for parents of special needs kids…

    while she slashes the budget for those same kids.

  79. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    “CF2K” cites –

    “…Republicans have their own savior who will deliver them to the Promised Land. Glad that you Lim-Baughts have something to assuage your Messiah Envy.”

    “Messiah Envy.”

    That’s funny.

    As is obvious from all the virtual jism being spewed by the CONs in this forum, the Trophy Veep’s speech was clearly targeted to energize twice-born wing-nuts and angry white cranks. It was a pander to the base and still no one has a good word to say about, y’know, the presidential” nominee.

  80. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    In all fairness to Sarah, did she cut funding for special needs children, before she herself had a special needs child?

  81. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink
    Well while you are following me around “ANTI”?
    ——
    Sorry, I’m not led by the blind, Rimel.

  82. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    “I doubt it. She seems not to take shit from anyone. It would be wise to let her speak to the people.”

    Then why was is necessary to scrub her facebook and why did they pull the web site that showed her famous 7 minute speech about how God ordained the Iraqi war?
    She’s not very smart and I think the press will eat her alive.

  83. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    #
    BlueJay
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Well while you are following me around “ANTI”?

    Maybe YOU would like to tell us how it is Sarah Palin will be an advocate for parents of special needs kids…

    while she slashes the budget for those same kids.
    ———————-
    You didn’t quote a source Junior. For all we know it is made up or from yet another leftist Website.

    Learn to do real Web search and find what the Alaska legislative database has to say.

  84. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink
    Well while you are following me around “ANTI”?

    Maybe YOU would like to tell us how it is Sarah Palin will be an advocate for parents of special needs kids…

    while she slashes the budget for those same kids.
    ——
    What do you care? Don’t you advocate them being killed off before they get to go to school?

  85. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    I understand the difference, CF. I don’t think you do. Nor do I think you understand the extent to which your candidate is exposed for the unprepared empty suite he is. Sarah Palin was chosen because she is a small town girl, successful governor, and yes, a woman. That’s political reality. But if she was not who she was, it would not matter what she was. Frankly, it is your party which as defined the rules of identity politics; you’re just upset that you’re being beaten at your own game.

    Ya know, as I sit here this a.m., I can see through the Intarweb, and see persons sitting in front of their screens.

    Republicans are smiling.

    Democrats are sweating.

    (Singing) It’s a beautiful morning . . .

  86. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    I’ll reserve my vote until the bathing suit competition!
    The Republican wives, Thompson’s, Giluani’s, Mccain’s, Todd Palin’s looked like the Stepford wives.

  87. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it ironic that Palin is endorsed by Focus on the Family and Palin tells people to not focus on her family (unless of course she trots them on stage to have people focus on them).

  88. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso

    Some people say they’re pro life…but they don’t walk the walk.
    I’m pro life, I just think the ideals should also extend to all children, not just the ones who aren’t born yet.

    Does this mean you are a Republican?

  89. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Let’s condense last nigt’s speech into main topics. Me:My Family; Obama; Oil.
    No there, there.

  90. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    I don’t think we will see Sarah doing face time with any serious journalists any time soon.

    Press conferences are definitely out.

    I look for her to hit the talk radio circuit. They’re gonna keep that dog in a kennel where the smells are all familiar.

  91. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink
    Isn’t it ironic that Palin is endorsed by Focus on the Family and Palin tells people to not focus on her family (unless of course she trots them on stage to have people focus on them).
    ——-
    I’ll bet they use less make-up than you Maggot. man?

  92. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    “Don’t buy something you can’t afford.” Good answer Anti. Too bad Bear Stearns and the other investment houses didn’t listen to you.

    Too bad the taxpayers are getting the shaft for their bad decisions.

    What would Sarah have done?

    I think I’ll print up some tee shirts with Sarah riding a moose. On top they will read” What would Sarah do?”

    Any other suggestions?

  93. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    It’ll be back into seclusion for Palin. Or, town hall format where the questions and answers can be scripted ahead of time.

  94. HLP
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    HEHEHEHE

    Be afraid,CF2K.

  95. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    “Does this mean you are a Republican?”

    Try to keep the dialogue civil, Kandisue, no need for namecalling.

  96. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    “What do you care? Don’t you advocate them being killed off before they get to go to school?”

    Hardly. But I was associated with a woman who chose to end a Down syndrome pregnancy.

    She made one choice. Sarah Palin made another.

    Sarah Palin would like for HER choice to be the only choice.

    WHILE she is slashing budgets for those special needs kids.

  97. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    I think I’ll print up some tee shirts with Sarah riding a moose. On top they will read” What would Sarah do?”

    Any other suggestions?
    ——
    “She can drop a moose or a Liberal at 500 yards.”

  98. Political_mama
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    kandi, you’re really not very bright are you.

  99. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Why “be afraid” Hank?
    Do you really think that anyone besides those who would already vote for McCain will change their vote because she’s a woman? You must be as out of touch as the rest of your party.
    I’m THRILLED that he picked her, because he just handed the election to Obama!

  100. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    “It’ll be back into seclusion for Palin.”

    That would be my guess as well.

    They gotta take lil Sarah to school.

  101. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Annie..when you get those T shirts finished up, I’ll buy one!

  102. Karmaqueen
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    I was going to vote for Hill, but now will be with McCain all the way!

  103. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    I was going to vote for Mccain, but I love America, and will be with Obama all the way.

  104. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Why? Have your values and politics changed that much?

  105. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    My previous post was meant for Karmaqueen…not you, Phantom!

  106. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    When America goes begging for a mooser, one will rise up out of the masses, and lead her to her destiny!

  107. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    I know, I was just demonstrating even liberals know how to b.s.

  108. ANTI
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    liberals know how to b.s.
    —–
    24/7, it’s their life blood.

  109. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    I think they only ones begging for a “mooser” is the right wing fundies…rational Americans want nothing to do with her.

  110. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Biden nomination speech, talks about the problems America is facing.
    Palin’s speech, does mention energy problem focusing on oil, and coal.

  111. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    The statistics on the MSM Bias against Palin:

    What is interesting is the theme of these stories. For vice presidential nominees, I searched a whole range of terms to see how the media described the nominees: experience, abortion, conservative, moderate, liberal, safe, risky, etc., using Google News searches. (Lexis-Nexis yielded roughly similar relative rankings.)

    For Biden, the top ten terms found were: experience (excluding “executive experience”) (69 percent), abortion (21 percent), liberal (11 percent), safe (7 percent), long-winded (5 percent), moderate (5 percent), plagiarism (3 percent), gun-control (2 percent), executive experience (2 percent), and exaggerate or exaggerated (dealing with exaggerated claims he made about his college grades and accomplishments that helped end his 1988 race) (1 percent).

    For Palin, the top ten were: conservative (49 percent), abortion (44 percent), brother-in-law (picking up claims that she improperly tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired) (17 percent), corruption and oil (17 percent), risky or risks or risk (16 percent), glass ceiling (13 percent), Quayle (10 percent), exciting (9 percent), inexperience or “lack experience” OR “limited experience” (8 percent), and bold (8 percent).

    This is not an exhaustive list, but it does point to some significant differences in coverage. While 49 percent of the articles mention that Palin is a conservative, only 11 percent of the pieces on Biden use liberal, just twice as many of the articles that label him moderate. There is no doubt that Palin is a conservative, but Biden’s legislative record should likewise put him squarely in the liberal category and it would seem to be just as important in describing who Biden is to voters.

    The National Journal, a respected bipartisan publication, regularly examines the voting records of all members of congress, and it found that Biden was the third most liberal member of the Senate in 2007, even more liberal than self-described “socialist” Bernie Sanders from Vermont. Indeed, with Obama’s No. 1 ranking, the Democratic ticket appears to be the most liberal presidential ticket ever.

    Negative terms were used far more frequently to describe Palin than Biden. For example, Biden was forced to exit the 1988 presidential race because he was involved in plagiarism and exaggerated his college record, but few articles mentioned those issues — only 3 and 1 percent respectively.

    By contrast, Palin’s nomination was more than twice as likely to be described as risky than as “bold.” Terms associated with negative claims about Palin were far more likely to get mentioned. The third most frequently used term involved an ethics charge against Palin that she fired the state public safety commissioner because he wouldn’t fire Palin’s former brother-in-law. Some 90 percent of these stories failed to mention that the brother-in-law was in trouble for threatening to kill people.

    Palin was compared to Dan Quayle at about 3 times the rate that Biden’s plagiarism issues were raised. With a historic nomination of a woman and one with a better chance of winning than Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, surprisingly about the same share of articles mentioned the “glass ceiling” or “exciting” or “bold” as “Dan Quayle.”

    On the positive side, about 5 percent of the stories mentioned Palin’s “executive experience” and nearly 17 percent mention “corruption” and “oil,” discussing her attempts to fight corruption in Alaska’s government.

    John Lott, Jr.
    Fox News
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414943,00.html

    Yes indeedy, there appears to be solid evidence that the Liberal MSM shows bias towards Republicans and give their very Liberal Democratic Presidential Candidates a pass.

  112. HLP
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Good morning Mary!

    It is a myth that McCain picked Palin to appeal to the Hillary supporters. He picked her to solidify his base.

    The Hillary supporters are who they are, they have no one, Obama gives them nothing. Palin appeals to the base and to the independents.

    Are they going to hide her now? You wish! Within three weeks whe will have made all the Sunday shows. She is going to exceed hopes!

    Be afraid libs.

  113. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    “fight them over there, not here”…”mission accomplished”…”I’m the “decider”…”God ordained the Iraqi war”…blah, blah, blah…and you say the liberals are full of BS?

  114. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    #
    Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    “fight them over there, not here”…”mission accomplished”…”I’m the “decider”…”God ordained the Iraqi war”…blah, blah, blah…and you say the liberals are full of BS?
    ———————-
    Maybe he meant to say that Liberals are full of donkey “shit” instead of B.S.

  115. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    She may solidify his base…but’s he’s still going to lose! ummmm….can’t wait for those steaks!!!

    Goota go, guys….work is calling! Have a good one!

  116. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Don’t be a moron, Reg…’bye.

  117. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Have a great day libs!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWwHAFPRDng

  118. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Who are the talking heads at CNN?

  119. SolDevVB
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Gotta say it again. McCain needed coverage and boy has he gotten it too. Barak who?

  120. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Her son is going to Iraq, she prays that the war is God’s will being done, of course she’ll appeal to RW whackos. She’s one herself.

  121. GunhugnGodNut
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Yes the media are to blame! They worship the Obama-messiah! If the MSM doesn’t like the accusation; Let’s see some impartialiality! Otherwise you’re just another tabloid of propaganda.

  122. Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink
    What Palin didn’t talk about:
    A government report showed an unexpected jump in the number of people filing for jobless benefits in the recent week, while a report by ADP Employer Services showed that U.S. private employers cut 33,000 jobs in August.

    Hey Phantom, watch the whole speech again on C-Span. She did address that issue. She addressed how Obama is going to raise the taxes on your average income earner including the small businesses and farmers then proceeded to talk about drilling in America and how we could produce more jobs IN AMERICA for AMERICANS. Get the picture???

  123. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    A small point, but amusing –

    Here’s a cut and post from the official McCoot campaign site of the Trophy Veep’s speech:

    “…in a McCain-Palin administration, we’re going to lay more pipelines … build more new-clear plants … create jobs with clean coal … and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.”

    They spelled out the tough words PHONETICALLY for her! And she still pronounced “nuclear” wrong.

  124. SolDevVB
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    And she still pronounced “nuclear” wrong.

    Well, then, she should be shot ASAP.

    Reeeaaaaaaaaaach.

  125. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Why does Sarah Palin think the sex lives of gays should be a matter of national policy and discussion but teenage sex, especially her own abstinence educated daughter, not be?

    Will Jamie Lynn Spears be speaking at the Republican National Convention about how great it is to be a teenage, unwed mother?

  126. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Saying “new clear” is just local dialect pronunciation.

    Saying there are 57 states like Obama is just ignorance.

  127. lindainks55
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    A word more on Palin and the riskiness of mockery

    “…the speech was effective, funny, and strong in summing up the views of “the base.” It would be as if Barack Obama had chosen Al Franken as his running mate — and Franken had let rip at the convention with the anti-Bush, anti-Republican one-liners he refined in his Air America / “Big Fat Idiot” days.

    First, if this speech energized the Republican base, I bet it did the same — in opposition — for the Democratic base. And the Democratic/independent/”had enough!” base is simply larger this year.

    Second, I wonder how Palin’s mocking, contemptuous tone about Obama will travel and age. It was great inside the hall — again, think of Al Franken, who would of course have been funnier. But the track record of cocky-sounding newcomer politicians is not so great.

    The strongest example would be Spiro Agnew, as Richard Nixon’s tough-talking running mate. But when they won, the fundamentals were in their favor — unpopular war, unpopular incumbent party — rather than working against them, as they do for the GOP now.

    I’ve learned through the years that it’s very hard to judge political turning points in real time. But my guess is that the last twelve hours will be seen as the moment when McCain pushed all his chips into the pot to bet on a “mobilize the base” strategy. Given the fundamental math in this election year, that would also be the moment when it became very hard for him to win.

    http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/203814.html

  128. parkay
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Something about this feisty conservative lady with the new baby and a grandchild on the way – disposable children according to Obamanation’s values – throws a scare into baby-hating Democrats.
    If I were Obamanation, I’d quit trying to walk on water and get a bigger boat, because Sarah Barracuda is now loose in his swimming hole.

  129. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Now conservatives finally have somebody worth voting for.

    The biggest problem will be trying to keep the Democrats from cheating during the election.

    I admit most Republicans are naive when it comes how evil the other side really is.

  130. janabanana
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Everyone is talking about Palin’s experience compared to Obama’s. Why has no one has brought up education?
    Palin got a bachelor’s degree in communications at Idaho State. Yes, she minored in political science, which is 5 classes. Good for her. She is qualified to be a mayor of a small Alaskan town.
    Obama has a law degree from Harvard and was president of the Harvard Law Review. I think he is better schooled in Constitutional Law. Palin didn’t even know what the duties of the Vice President were.

  131. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    You’re right Parkay, we should encourage teenagers to get pregnant. And the fact that Palin is cool with rape we should just drag girls off the street and rape them. We wouldn’t want to be seen as baby haters by promoting things like sex education, contraception and self-control.

  132. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk

    Here’s a cut and post from the official McCoot campaign site of the Trophy Veep’s speech:

    Trophy? You mean as opposed to Obama the Muslim?

  133. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    MH,

    I just read through Palin’s speech and noticed the new clear thing. Weird.

  134. janabanana
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Kandisue, you can’t just throw a statement out there like that without backing it up. Otherwise, it falls flat.

  135. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    When Palin started her job as mayor of Wasilla the town had a balanced budget. When Palin left the town had a deficit of $22 million. That’s even after the $27 million in federal earmarks she got for the town.

    America can’t afford another follower of Busheconomics.

  136. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Saying “new clear” is just local dialect pronunciation.

    You’re going to have to explain that to me. Local dialect? Local where?

    From dictionary.com
    /?nukli?r, ?nyu- or, by metathesis, -ky?l?r/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[noo-klee-er, nyoo- or, by metathesis, -kyuh-ler]

    And a little more, but nothing about “local”.
    —Pronunciation note In pronouncing nuclear, the second and third syllables are most commonly said as Audio Help /-kli?r/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[-klee-er] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation, a sequence of sounds that directly reflects the spelled sequence ?cle·ar. In recent years, a somewhat controversial pronunciation has come to public attention, with these two final syllables said as Audio Help /-ky?l?r/[-kyuh-ler]. Since Audio Help /-kli?r/[-klee-er], the common pronunciation of ?cle·ar, might also be represented, broadly, as Audio Help /-kl?y?r/[-kluh-yer], the Audio Help /-ky?l?r/[-kyuh-ler] pronunciation can be seen as coming from a process of metathesis, in which the /l/[l] and the /y/[y] change places. The resulting pronunciation is reinforced by analogy with such words as molecular, particular, and muscular, and although it occurs with some frequency among highly educated speakers, including scientists, professors, and government officials, it is disapproved of by many.

  137. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    #
    janabanana
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Everyone is talking about Palin’s experience compared to Obama’s. Why has no one has brought up education?
    Palin got a bachelor’s degree in communications at Idaho State. Yes, she minored in political science, which is 5 classes. Good for her. She is qualified to be a mayor of a small Alaskan town.
    Obama has a law degree from Harvard and was president of the Harvard Law Review. I think he is better schooled in Constitutional Law. Palin didn’t even know what the duties of the Vice President were.
    =============================
    Yeah, just look at the conduct of attorneys that have been elected and sent to the White House.

    Clinton, Nixon…

    No thank you, we have enough problems with over thinkers.

  138. avtolle
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Well, while everyone else posting here apparently was watching the RNC last night, I saw baseball history being made; the first use of instant replay to determine whether ARod hit a home run or merely a very loud foul ball. As you may know, the call of the home plate umpire that it was a home run was upheld; the replay process itself took only an impressive 2 minutes, 15 seconds.

    Lest you think I was dissing the RNC, I watched an equal amount of the DNC last Wednesday night, namely none. Again, watching a baseball game. I must confess to not watching much of any political convention since 1984, about the time both sides made the same a long infomercial about the respective parties.

  139. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    McCain got what he was after: A gun hugging God Nut. He needed that to appeal to his base. She is the perfect candidate to fulfill Cheney’s third term. The WashPo blogs are full of comments about Palin being Cheney disguised in a skirt – I believe that analogy falls a little short – Cheney never was much of a religious person that I’ve heard of. Old Dick did like to hug his guns, though.

    I think Palin is a bit of a loose cannon and I do not believe the Republic party handlers will let her have many, if any, unscripted moments. Her spontaneity helped create the trooper-gate problem:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303210.html?hpid=artslot

  140. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Saying “new clear” is just local dialect pronunciation.

    You’re going to have to explain that to me. Local dialect? Local where?
    ————————
    Texas and Oklahoma for one.

    Evidently, you don’t understand the word dialect.

    When I was in Germany, there were different ways to pronouncing the same words in different regions.

    As long as the person understands the definition of the word and knows how to spell it, I have no problem with dialect.

    “Crik” for “Creek” common with country folks.

    There are many other examples.

    You know it, I know it, to deny there is dialectical pronunciation of words is just ignorant.

  141. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    janabanana

    Kandisue, you can’t just throw a statement out there like that without backing it up. Otherwise, it falls flat.

    You mean that a lot of people think Obama is a Muslim?

    Or that I think he is a Muslim?

    Or maybe that most Deomocats don’t care that he is a Muslim?

  142. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Palin’s pastor,
    “I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.”

    Yup, the destruction of the United States is a good thing because it will bring people to Alaska and to the “true” Christian church.

    But Palin sit next to the red button. She’s the same person who thinks we are fighting a holy war in Iraq. And the reich-wing went crazy about the guy who said slaughtering people was a bad idea.

  143. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    What’s that song by Elton John, “The Bitch is Back”.

  144. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    “Maggotpunk” –

    Someone ran, back-to-back, Bill Orally, pontificating about how Bristol’s pregnancy is out-of-bounds with BOR’s diatribe against Jamie Lynn Spears which included, “Clearly this is the fault of the parents…!”

    CONs have been reduced to saying anything they hope the voters will swallow but history will forget.

    Joe Lieberman’s lavish praise of Barack Obama from two years ago when Lieberman needed money.

    Karl Rove sneering about Tom Wade (when that was a name floating around before Biden was selected), saying all sorts of snarky things about how meaningless being the former Mayor of Richmond, Virginia was to a national ticket.

    There’s the bullHockey Mom repeating the lie that she fought the Bridge to Nowhere juxtaposed with her praising the Alaskan Good Ol’ Boys for delivering that pork to the Great White North.

    The Republic CONs are gonna trot out every meme they can think of (like that “nasty ol’ media”) like Tourette Society on acid.

    As McCoot’s campaign manager said, “This can’t be an election about issues.”

  145. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    “…like the Tourette’s Society on acid.”

    I really should proofread better.

  146. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    “Why does Sarah Palin think the sex lives of gays should be a matter of national policy and discussion but teenage sex, especially her own abstinence educated daughter, not be?”

    When did she says that sodomites sex lives should be a matter of national policy?

    Did she also say what the Bible says about them?
    She did not.

    Her daughter’s sex life is open for discussion according to homosexual liberal media but

    how many babies Michele Obama has killed through abortion is not?

  147. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    GMC70

    “Nor do I think you understand the extent to which your candidate is exposed for the unprepared empty suite he is.”

    “Empty suite”; That would be pretty funny, GMC70, were it intentional. Fits in with the whole “elitist” line of Repuk attack.

    That “Empty Suite,” as you call him, GMC70, outmanuvered a presumptive front-runner and outplayed a whole field of senior opponents in the longest Presidential primary season in American history. By beating all comers and winning the game, he showed himself to be the best qualified. Period. For you to say otherwise is like the sore loser whining that “the better team lost.”

    Then there’s your response when I pointed out that obvious fact that Obama earned his position on the Democratic ticket despite his identity, while Palin was given hers BECAUSE of her identity.

    “Sarah Palin was chosen because she is a small town girl, successful governor, and yes, a woman. That’s political reality. But if she was not who she was, it would not matter what she was.”

    Really, GMC70? If what mattered was “who she was,” then Mike Huckabee should have been the choice: small town/small state guy, successful governor, Fundamentalist–and, by the way, Presidential contender. If anybody earned a Fundo spot on the ticket, it was him. But the fact that Huckabee was passed over for Sarah Palin, who, for obvious reasons, didn’t even put herself in contention for the Presidency, GMC70, says it all: what mattered was “what she was,” not who she was.

    It’s an insult to the women who ARE operating at the level of national politics, GMC70, to promote a woman into play because she IS a woman. Not to cry too many crocodile tears, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and Christine Todd Whitman all have to be pretty pissed off right now.

    “Frankly, it is your party which as defined the rules of identity politics; you’re just upset that you’re being beaten at your own game.”

    Oh, really, GMC70? I seem to recall hearing about a certain Vice-President back in 1972 who held forth about the “Silent Majority” and the “Nattering Nabobs of Negativism,” and what election goes by where Republicans don’t try to play the faux populism of “cultural elites?”

    Your candidate shows that she likes to dish it out. Let’s see her take it without any of the “whining” that she claimed to hear from Hillary Clinton.

  148. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Kandi Sue,

    “The biggest problem will be trying to keep the Democrats from cheating during the election.

    I admit most Republicans are naive when it comes how evil the other side really is.”

    Spoken like a potential election-fraud perpetrator trying to get people to look the other way, if I do say so myself.

  149. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Some nutter ranted:
    “When did she says that sodomites sex lives should be a matter of national policy?
    Did she also say what the Bible says about them?
    She did not.
    Her daughter’s sex life is open for discussion according to homosexual liberal media but how many babies Michele Obama has killed through abortion is not?”

    Palin supports a federal ban on gay marriage. As for the residents of Sodom, I don’t she has a concern for them.

    The Bible says that men shouldn’t have sex with fellow men but you should provide a priest’s prostitute up to be gang raped to death. If you don’t have a hooker available then you should provide your virgin daughters to be gang raped, but I don’t see how that is relevant.

    I’m not aware Michelle Obama ever had an abortion but Michelle isn’t running for office so she’s about relevant as the political views of Twig Palin.

  150. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Anti_moose- Too bad the taxpayers are getting the shaft for their bad decisions.
    What would Sarah have done?

    So it’s too bad (for us tax payers) the government is going to bail these people out.
    And you want to know what the government (palin) is going to do about it?

    Like I said, whine if they do, whine if they don’t…….as long as they whine…….

  151. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    To get an idea of how ethical Sarah Palin is, when she tried to ban some books from the Wasilla library, and the librarian refused, so Palin tried to get the librarian fired.

    http://www.adn.com/politics/story/515512.html

    Kinda like how she wanted her ex-brother in law fired and the guy in charge refused to do so so she had him fired.

    Yup, another Republican abusing their position in office.

  152. SolDevVB
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    And the fact that Palin is cool with rape

    Got a link?

  153. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    And on another note. When Katrina hit religious nuts said the flood was divine retribution for gays wanting to have a parade. Now Gustav is hitting and it is timed to match the Republican National Convention. Does that mean God hates Republicans?

  154. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Evidently, you don’t understand the word dialect.

    Evidently, you don’t have a clue.

    I have many friends in both Oklahoma and Texas. In fact, I was on the phone last night with a friend in Texas. I’ve never heard any of them mis-pronounce the word in question.

    I admit to having heard my great-uncle saying crik instead of creek, but I also remember him saying garij (long A, short I) instead of garage, but none of the other family members did. It always made me giggle.

    Local dialect? Maybe to the degree of several generations back? But your reasoning may send me off to research.

  155. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Yes, Palin is cool with rape as a means of reproduction, and would be content if her daughter conceived through rape.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-on-abortion-id-oppo_n_122924.html

    Then again, the Christian view is that the punishment for rape is the man has to marry the woman. Poor Levi, who stated he didn’t want kids, dropped out of school and is getting married.

  156. SolDevVB
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    “I’d Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped”

    She does not think ”rape is cool”. She is pro-life. Big shock there.

    Again… Reeeeeaaaaach.

  157. mom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    “Money is a fluid. It flows back and forth between capitol raiser, capitol user and the average pay earner”
    ______

    If the capitol raiser is a corporation that is getting the big tax breaks from taxpayer money to outsource the average pay earner’s job then the average pay earner is not a part of the ‘money fluid’ are they?

  158. Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    This is really unfair to McCain. “No flag lapel pin” McCain wasn’t checking out Sarah’s figure, but was just dozing off. He was, after all, listening to a Republican talk and that could make anyone fall asleep.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_Was_McCain_checking_out_Palins_0903.html

  159. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Palin=Bright Shiney Object.

  160. Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Do the Republicans that claim Palin is experienced include the time Palin dreamed she was in Congress voting to remove funding for the bridge project she campaigned for?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/politics/17spend.html

  161. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Money is fluid, it flows to the ultra rich, and overseas.

  162. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    “Maggotpunk” wonders about –

    “…Palin dreamed she was in Congress voting to remove funding for the bridge project she campaigned for…”

    …in her Maidenform bra.

  163. mom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    “90 percent of these stories failed to mention that the brother-in-law was in trouble for threatening to kill people.”

    Was the brother-in-law convicted of any crime? I believe this man was also suspended from his job. So why does Palin have to go after the Safety Commissioner for not firing the brother-in-law?

    Palin should let the Safety Commissioner do his job and the governor do hers.

  164. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    . . . outmanuvered a presumptive front-runner and outplayed a whole field of senior opponents in the longest Presidential primary season in American history. By beating all comers and winning the game, he showed himself to be the best qualified. Period

    Riiiiight.

    Obama’s qualified to be president because . . . . well . . . . because he ran for president.

    Nah. No circularity there.

    P-lease. And there’s no difference between campaigning and governing? They don’t require different skillsets? Yeesh.

    “Sarah Palin was chosen because she is a small town girl, successful governor, and yes, a woman. That’s political reality. But if she was not who she was, it would not matter what she was.”

    Really, GMC70?

    Yup. Really. All of what you write about other women who may have been passed over is true. But so what? It’s not about who is most “deserving;” life isn’t fair. This is politics. And Palin made herself a “contender” for the position because of who she was and what she did.

    Was Palin a political choice? Of course. Is there EVER any other kind? In either party? Nope. This is all about winning, CF. I know that. You know that.

    Palin is an asset to the ticket. And you know it.

    McCain, who two months ago had almost no chance to win, is now in it. And you know it.

    I can smell the worry, CF.

    But that’s OK. If Obama loses, he can go out, get some real experience in governing something, somewhere, pad that currently very thing resume, and try again. Maybe the next time, there will be something there, there. Maybe another community needs organizing.

    (Singing) It’s a beautiful morning . . .

  165. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Getting to know Sarah Palin by John McCain?

    Wandering Eyes: The Video

    You be the judge.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU

    To be honest, my first thought when the tittilating rumors first started about where McCain was looking, I watched the real video of the announcement and decided he was watching the telepromter. (Was there one?) But it was hard to tell exactly how far behind her he was standing.

    After seeing the Wandering Eyes video, I still couldn’t tell, but I did pay attention to how she reacted to him, and there’s definitely a backing off and a look of being, well, “offended” is the best word, by him. Watch that part closely as it’s replayed, especially the look on her face.

    Guys, I don’t think Sarah is enamoured of John. But he of her? hmmmmmm….

  166. mom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink
    janabanana

    Kandisue, you can’t just throw a statement out there like that without backing it up. Otherwise, it falls flat.

    You mean that a lot of people think Obama is a Muslim?

    Or that I think he is a Muslim?

    Or maybe that most Deomocats don’t care that he is a Muslim?

    ___

    You do realize Muslim is a religion don’t you? Obama’s father was a Muslim but that does not make Obama a Muslim. What was your father? If he was a Nazi, would that make you a Nazi?

    This Obama is Muslim is a talking point out of Rush Limbaugh’s playbook and only plays to those people who do not do their research and their thinking for themselves.

  167. situveux1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    This post is disgusting. Where was the outcry from the media about Obama’s lack of experience? Where were the articles? For every one of those I found 5 more that talked about his social calendar and how his wife cooks and how loving he is to his children. It’s pathetic how the media has fallen all over themselves for Obama and then can, with a straight face no less, turn around and say their attacks on Palin are justified because she ‘lacks experience.’ Go ahead Brownlee, put some links up where you questioned Obama’s experience. Go ahead and show me where you questioned his ability to lead a nation. And let’s not forget that he’s running for #1, not #2.

    You’re a pathetic piece of crap Brownlee. I hope you’re the first one to get canned when the Eagle goes under along with the Star.

  168. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    “Obama is Muslim is a talking point out of Rush Limbaugh’s playbook”

    uhhh…Did rush name him?
    Aren’t barak,husein and obama muslim names?

    If his name was deondre, demotae and smith, I doubt this would have or would still be an issue.

    If his name was Joseph, Abram and Goldstein?…..

  169. RO7904
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Someone please identify for me one bill, just one bill, that Obama AUTHORED in the Senate or in the Illinois legislature. For that matter, please identify one piece of legislation that Obama pushed through to passage (even if he didn’t author the bill). He has been in Congress for more than four years, two of which were Democrat controlled, but what does he have to show for it? He is a savvy campaigner, and a brilliant speaker, but where are his accomplishments? How many bills bear his name? Please, tell me what his accomplishments are? And don’t kid yourself, co-sponsoring a bill is meaningless, it’s nothing more than afixing one’s name to another person’s work. There is no way the Republicans ever should have been able to even make this race close given the current state of affairs, but the Democrats have completely screwed things up by choosing the least-qualified, least-experienced, and least-prepared candidate they have. Why?

  170. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    situveux1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    You’re a pathetic piece of crap Brownlee. I hope you’re the first one to get canned when the Eagle goes under along with the Star.
    ===================================================================

    I don’t think he’s that good. You flatter Brownlee way too much.

    Did we dig into Brownlee’s family and see if he is married or has any pregnant children? Maybe we should.

  171. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    “GMC70″ –

    She was preaching to the choir.

    She converted no one.

    That none of you CONs grasp that simple fact astounds me.

    Roll on the floor and speak in tongues all ya want, but the Trophy Veep isn’t McCodger’s salvation.

  172. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Now that we have MonkeyMan’s expert opinion on Palin’s speech, list hear from some other “experts”:

    How’d the media react?

    CBS’s Bob Schieffer said, “I think she passed the first test. The people in this hall absolutely loved this speech. … Now we’ll see how it plays with the rest of the country.”

    “Two things are clear after Sarah Palin made her do-or-die debut before 20-plus million people tonight,” explained Time Magazine’s Jay Carney. “She is amazingly self-confident. And she knows how to nail a speech.”

    His colleague Joe Klein agreed calling it ‘brilliant.’

    George Stephanopolous lauded the speech on Nightline. “She definitely gets an A,” he said. “It was appealing and funny and warn at times. Very, very tough at times as well. And she really did have an ability to bring these things down to earth, bring it down to earth.”

    CNN’s Wolf Blitzer agreed. “She really did hit it out of the park tonight not only here but for millions of Americans watching across the country,” he said.

    MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Palin’s role as attack dog? Effective. “She is a torpedo aimed directly at the ship of Barack and Michelle Obama,” he said.

    The sourpuss of the group, not surprisingly, was Keith Olbermann. “People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like,” he said dourly.

    Even the Obama campaign praised it’s delivery — but that’s where they stopped.

    “The speech that Gov. Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush’s speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we’ve heard from George Bush for the last eight years, a campaign spokesman said.

    Summing up the evening perhaps best is Tom Shales over at the Washington Post:

    “If the Republicans win the presidential election in November, it may well be said that they won it last night — the night that John McCain’s brilliantly screwy choice for a running mate changed from laughingstock to national star,” he wrote.

    http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/04/sarah-palin-how-do-you-like-me-now/

  173. samkan
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Just remember everyone….. Dick Cheney is only one heartbeat away from the Presidency. Nancy Pelosi is only two!

  174. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    How’d the media react?

    “She is amazingly self-confident. And she knows how to nail a speech.”

    ‘brilliant.’

    “She definitely gets an A,” “It was appealing and funny and warn at times. Very, very tough at times as well. And she really did have an ability to bring these things down to earth, bring it down to earth.”

    “She really did hit it out of the park tonight not only here but for millions of Americans watching across the country,”

    “She is a torpedo aimed directly at the ship of Barack and Michelle Obama,”

    http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/04/sarah-palin-how-do-you-like-me-now/

  175. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    RO7904
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink
    Someone please identify for me one bill, just one bill, that Obama AUTHORED in the Senate or in the Illinois legislature.
    =====================================================================

    Global Poverty Act of 2008

    Would cost the US $75 Billion in ADDITIONAL money we would pay the UN EVERY YEAR.

    Thank God it didn’t pass though!

  176. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    CNN’s Wolf Blitzer agreed. “She really did hit it out of the park tonight not only here but for millions of Americans watching across the country,” he said.

    So says the media.

    CNN.com comments section last night during and after Palin’s speech rated it very poorly. I don’t know about the media, but people wanted to hear what the Republicans were going to do, not listen to a mudslingingfest. Comments ran about 2% in favor of McCain-Palin, while several (I lost count) who said they were Independents or Republicans decided their vote would go for Obama-Biden.

    I don’t watch CNN, so I have no idea which way it leans, right or left, which is why I asked who the talking heads were on CNN.

    I expect all the Repubs here to now say it leans left. Well, the comments certainly did. :)

  177. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    If you don’t know that CNN leans left, then you just shot the heck outta your own credibility here.

    But you have a lot of Leftist company here.

  178. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Didn’t watch the Today show this morning. May not ever again.

    They had THREE DAYS IN A ROW,
    THREE DAYS IN A ROW,
    THREE DAYS IN A ROW,

    WITH THE HEADLINE:

    PALIN’S 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT, OH MY!

    PALIN’S 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT, OH MY!

    PALIN’S 17-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT, OH MY!

    Is that Media Manipulation and Overreaction? Duh!

  179. SolDevVB
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    If you don’t know that CNN leans left, then you just shot the heck outta your own credibility here.

    If she doesn’t watch it, how would she know. Yes, they do lean left, but not as hard as MSNBC nor as hard as Fox leans right.

  180. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    biased one,

    This is the issue if you have trouble with the big words use the google or ask me….. real nice and I’ll help you out.

    U.S. mortgage crisis spreads past subprime loans
    By Vikas Bajaj and Louise Story
    Published: February 12, 2008

    The credit crisis is no longer just a subprime mortgage problem.

    As U.S. home prices fall and banks tighten lending standards, people with good, or prime, credit histories are falling behind on their payments for home loans, auto loans and credit cards at a quickening pace, according to industry data and economists.

    The rise in prime delinquencies, while less severe than the one in the subprime market, nonetheless poses a threat to the battered U.S. housing market and weakening economy, which some specialists say is in a recession or headed for one.

    Until recently, people with good credit, who tend to pay their bills on time and manage their finances well, were viewed as a bulwark against the economic strains posed by rising defaults among borrowers with blemished, or subprime, credit.

    “This collapse in housing value is sucking in all borrowers,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com.
    ————————————————
    bi is 1 this could have been avoided if Glass Steagal had not been repealed. Do a little research, I know it’s hard but you can do it. Hint this happen before it was called the S&L crisis then.

    here’s a little more help

    http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq7n_0cdjsr4fn&skipauth=true&pli=1

    What would Sarah do?

  181. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    here is a nonpartisan list and status…
    look at the ones “passed”….
    Wow, now that is some real “business for the people”
    What a joke.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills

  182. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “Man, why you got to say that? It ain’t us, it’s the media. The media has distorted our image to make us look bad.”

  183. lindainks55
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Sarah Palin, The Tonya Harding of Republican Politics

    With the mean-girl snark of Tonya Harding and the smug swagger of Bill Clinton, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska thrilled the conservative faithful last night in a vice-presidential nomination acceptance speech that was long on partisan swipes but quite short on accuracy.

    Even the Bush-friendly AP admitted “In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.”

    Like Tonya Harding’s posse wacking rival Nancy Kerrigan, Palin gleefully kneecapped Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama again and again and again.

    Palin was clearly energized as she wielded the powerful hockey stick of words, attempting to bloody her opponent to an uncompetitive pulp. Sarah Barracuda, indeed. A vicious pitbull with lipstick, absolutely.

    But will Sarah Palin’s over-the-top, sarcastic performance be effective in drawing new voters to the Republican ticket in November? And is Palin’s angry, judgmental demeanor what Americans want in this already bitterly divisive time?

    I can’t, and won’t try to, predict Palin’s impact on voters two months from now on election day, except to say that Obama and Biden need to tiptoe carefully around this fire-breathing, high-heeled, ultra-conservative ideologue.

    I’m intrigued, though, by the interesting comments left at Focus Group: Palin Was (Alarmingly) Strong , a blog post at The New Republic. Here are a few:

    * From wgcreeley: “Didn’t hear a word of policy, no focus on any issues, just Rush-ready attacks. She’s a base pick, and this was a base speech. We’ll see if it moves any dials. ”
    * From tomeg: “Her derisive, self-serving patter only makes me hungrier…this is gonna be a bloody campaign, and I can’t wait.”
    * From fougasseu: “I do think they made one major, major mistake. Belittling and mocking Obama in a way that showed their utter contempt for him. If that doesn’t (justifiably) enrage every black American, I don’t know what will. They weren’t laughing because she was funny, the laughter came from that who-does-he-think-he-is place, this uppity phony. She took it too far… ”
    * From timteeter: “I found her demeanour to be insufferably smug, and wondered what it was about her that so irritated me. Then I realized: she’s W. in drag.”
    * From Eos: “Her speech was directed at an unarticulated and underrepresented mainstream current in the country. She was tough, charming, poised, confident, unbeholden and unbespoke, a maverick, a reformer and non-doctrinnaire.. McCain and Palin just became the ticket of change in this election. Obama and Biden now seem ordinary and over-familiar.”

    http://tinyurl.com/5kv65r

  184. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    anti_mouse- use “the google” for this (i KNOW you can copy and paste.)

    housing crisis is overblown

    There, now you will be able to sleep tonight.
    Let me know if there is anything else.
    Maybe we can get The One to name a special “google day” or maybe an ALGore day (since he actually invented the internet)

  185. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    If you don’t know that CNN leans left, then you just shot the heck outta your own credibility here.

    I don’t watch MSM, Max. None of them. I don’t even watch the evening news on 3, 10, or 12. I watched the conventions on CSPAN. That doesn’t mean I don’t keep up with what’s going on. I get my news from a variety of sources, many online. I read and listen to both sides and tend to stay a
    way from MSM sites.

  186. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    “Maggotpunk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink
    Isn’t it ironic that Palin is endorsed by Focus on the Family and Palin tells people to not focus on her family (unless of course she trots them on stage to have people focus on them).”

    LMAO!
    Spot On

  187. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    brian_nerdo- (unless of course she trots them on stage to have people focus on them).”

    That was an introduction nit.
    Did she do a talk show interview with them like the One?

    no.

  188. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    The Media responds:
    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=20826&cl=9586825&ch=130510

  189. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Maybe we can get The One to name a special “ use the google day” or maybe an ALGore day (since he actually invented the internet)

    works for me bunky

    housing crisis is overblown?

    What would Sarah do?

  190. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    The nomination podium is a fine place to do an introduction!

  191. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    The One vs. The Goddess!

  192. Predestined
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Phantom,

    Your link above takes me to signing into Yahoo, and then asking and reasking for my password. Got a link that will link to it?

  193. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Is Palin really Gilluani in drag? I bet he’s the real Sarah Palin.

  194. RFL
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    “Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics…it has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.”

    “And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he said. “You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off limits.”

    Barack Obama

    Brian has things a bit confused. It is Obama who is asking not to focus on Palin’s family. If Obama is sucha great leader, why are his minions not following his instructions?

  195. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    The viedo was on my yahoo home page, maybe it won’t work.

  196. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    I just clicked on it, and it worked for me.

  197. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    “biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
    brian_nerdo- (unless of course she trots them on stage to have people focus on them).”

    That was an introduction nit.
    Did she do a talk show interview with them like the One?

    no.”

    Oh yeah? oh yeah?
    Well you are just a buttface.

  198. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    “Oh yeah? oh yeah?
    Well you are just a buttface.”

    Sorry, I slipped into 6th grade mode like biased1 there for a second.

  199. RFL
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Obama to Media, Politicos on Palin Pregnancy Story: ‘Back Off!’

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-to-media.html

  200. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    f Obama is sucha great leader, why are his minions not following his instructions?

    Because he’s not a general, and the newspapers, websites, blogs, talk radio etc. are not his “minions.”

    Duh.

  201. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    I just clicked on it, and it worked for me.

    You probably have to sign up for that particular thing. I got the same result as Pre.

  202. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Wait a minute.

    On a thread about how corporate media is to blame for the Palin fiasco, the CONs are quoting… mainstream media bobbleheads as proof she “hit it out of the park.”

    That’s logical contortion worthy of a Chinese acrobat.

    After Rudy 9iu11ani’s speech, I thought about Molly Ivins’ comment, “I preferred that speech in the original German.”

    Who did she convert?

    Who did she win?

    She “energized” the twice-born CONs who would have already voted for the Republic Party candidate even if they’d nominated Charlie Manson.

    BFD

  203. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Anti_moose_killer

    housing crisis is overblown?

    What would Sarah do? (okay here goes)
    1. Demand Congress launch an Investigation.
    2. Demand the Attorney General prosecute any and all for any illegal activity.
    3. Hold those responsible, accountable

    What would Biden do?
    1. Meet with the housing lobbyist.
    2. Give the housing industry billions of $ in bailouts.
    3. Buy a new house.

    What would the One do?
    1. Immidiately put out an executive order “Condeming the housing Crisis”
    2. Sign an executive order “Commemorating his first executive order”
    3. Buy a new house.

  204. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how long it will be before Palin’s defenders will wish they’d go back to talking about her children. :)

  205. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    GMC70,

    “Obama’s qualified to be President because…well…he ran for President.”

    How did you pass your LSAT’s with an argument like that, GMC70? My claim was that he is qualified to be President because he exhibited the political skills to WIN THE NOMINATION OF HIS PARTY, and in so doing, bested his rivals. No circularity there, GMC70. Guess you made it through law school by emphasizing pathos rather than logos.

    “P-lease. And there’s no difference between campaigning and governing? They don’t require different skillsets? Yeesh.”

    Here, you’re kind of right in spite of yourself. The Republican track record of the last eight years DOES suggest that the ability to win–or steal, take your pick–elections may have little bearing on one’s ability to govern. After all, look at the colossal failure of George W. Bush.

    But in the case of Barack Obama it’s pretty clear that we have an extremely bright candidate who is an excellent manager and, it must be said, an extremely strategic thinker with a cool hand and major verve. Doesn’t hurt that he’s the best orator since Kennedy.

    “If Obama loses, he can go out, get some real experience in governing something, somewhere, pad that currently very thing resume, and try again. Maybe the next time, there will be something there, there. Maybe another community needs organizing.”

    It is interesting to me, GMC70, this sneering contempt on the right for grassroots political organizing. Sarah Palin’s speech dripped with it: “I guess a small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have absolute responsibilties.”

    Community organizing, GMC70, is the womb of democracy. It’s where people outside of the political process are brought into it, and given the chance to exercise their inalienable democratic rights.

    That seems to be why you Republicans hate it so passionately.

  206. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    What would Biden do?
    1. Meet with the housing lobbyist.
    2. Give the housing industry billions of $ in bailouts.
    3. Buy a new house.

    Heh. Right.

    A look at Biden’s net worth

    By The Associated Press – Aug 23, 2008

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Joe Biden’s financial report as of June 2007.

    ___

    Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    Earned income: $185,700.

    Honoraria, all donated to charity: $800.

    Major assets: Bank accounts and life insurance policies, $19,000-$110,000; three bank accounts held jointly with his wife, $3,000-$45,000.

    Major sources of unearned income: Life insurance dividends, $1,000-$2,500.

    Major liabilities: Loan against life insurance policies, $15,001-$50,000; lines of credit, $114,002-$300,000; credit union note, less than $10,000.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ivD75Of6JQzDRixNbfD-4VP9CCzQD92OEDL80

  207. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Anti_moose_killer

    damn, sometimes I crack myself up….
    (heh, heh)

  208. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Community organizing, GMC70, is the womb of democracy. It’s where people outside of the political process are brought into it, and given the chance to exercise their inalienable democratic rights.

    Community organizer is where incompetent people are hired and get payed a very generous salary, because they are incapable of doing anything else.

  209. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Biden is a disaster waiting to happen.

    1. Biden in his own words says Obama does not have the experience to be President.
    2. Biden was forced to drop out of a previous race in the 1980s because of plagiarizing.
    3. In foreign policy, Biden either flip flops or makes the wrong choice 100 percent of the time. Biden has a dismal record in foreign policy.
    4. Biden was rated in 2007 as the third most Liberal Senator in the Senate. With Obama as number one, who needs these far left knotheads? Answer: no one

  210. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Community organizer is where incompetent people are hired and get payed a very generous salary, because they are incapable of doing anything else.

    Generous salary? On what planet? Even in the mid-80s, 10 grand a year was near-poverty wages.

  211. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    #
    Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Community organizer is where incompetent people are hired and get payed a very generous salary, because they are incapable of doing anything else.

    Generous salary? On what planet? Even in the mid-80s, 10 grand a year was near-poverty wages.
    ===============
    Yeah, that was his above table salary reported wasn’t it? :)

  212. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    CFak47- Community organizing, GMC70, is the womb of democracy.

    It’s pretty much the womb of communism. nit

    (look carefully at the root.)

  213. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Rags- $10 grand a year.

    ’bout $500 an hour I recon….

  214. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    I recon….

    I know. Both you and Reggie.

    But your repeated cons aren’t fooling anyone.

    And I thought “community = communism” was particularly hilarious!

  215. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Anti_moose_killer

    damn, sometimes I crack myself up….
    (heh, heh)

    I know what you mean little mister

    hehehe

  216. CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    Indeed. For all their churlish bravado, I, too, sense a bit of desperation. I think they know that putting Pat Buchanan on stage, this time in a skirt, has a way of driving away Independents.

  217. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I’ll try to amuse you some more Rags….
    Community organizing: v. an action whereby a group of people assemble to decide how best to (equally) divide up and spend someone elses (through taxes) money. With the “leader” recieving a (large) portion of the proceeds…

    Sounds like “democracy” to me….(look to the root of that one!)

  218. Deb
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Wow! The venom on this post toward Sarah Palin should be harnessed and turned into an alternative fuel!

    Since it needs to be spelled out for folks on why many Republicans became energized by Palin’s nomination it is because she is unashamedly pro-life.

    The “objective” media made the mistake of showing their obvious bias by attacking her and her family in knee-jerk fashion. This has further energized the pro-life crowd.

  219. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    CFak47- “sense a bit of desperation”

    Introducing No.2 with more qualifications than oppositions No.1….

    Yeah…I smell it too….

  220. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    “The “objective” media made the mistake of showing their obvious bias by attacking her and her family in knee-jerk fashion….”

    By attacking her, do you mean telling facts about her, her life, and her political career?

  221. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Anti_moose_killa- “little mister”

    ’bout dang time I got the respect I deserve!

  222. outlander
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    #
    CF2K
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    …She wants an America that’s barefoot and pregnant.

    ———–

    What?!!! When CF’s best argument is tired old lib baloney that wouldn’t be accepted at a Michael Moore film screening, you know that confusion reigns.

  223. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Brains_never- By attacking her, do you mean telling facts about her, her life, and her political career?

    Why thats exactly what the libtards accused Palin of….She just told a few facts about the One and BAM…

  224. Regular
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    The “objective” media made the mistake of showing their obvious bias by attacking her and her family in knee-jerk fashion. This has further energized the pro-life crowd

    Yes, there was much leftist liberal ass exposed in the past few days in the bias department.

  225. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    No, CF, your argument, when you cut through the crap, was “Obama is qualified to be president because he’s running for president.”

    It’s entirely circular. It says, in effect, “I must be qualifed, because I’m still running.” Period.

    Don’t bother with the LSAT’s, CF. If you can’t recognize circular argument, you won’t do well.

    . . . in Barack Obama it’s pretty clear that we have an extremely bright candidate who is an excellent manager and, it must be said, an extremely strategic thinker with a cool hand and major verve. Doesn’t hurt that he’s the best orator since Kennedy.

    Manager? Manager of what? His election campaign? Well, yup, that’s pretty much it. That brings us back to point one, don’t it? He’s qualified to be president because . . . well . . . he’s running for president.

    All your praise of him noted above may well be true. There’s a lot of talent there. Call me when he’s actually accomplished something.

    In the end, it’s a race, CF. Obama may well win, but now it’s a race.

    Despite my “sneering contempt,” believe it or not, I could still be convinced to vote for Obama, but he’s going to have to offer a lot more than “I’m a smart guy” to get me past the serious lack of any resume. Moreover, most of the change he proposes appears to simply put more dollars and more power over daily lives and decisions in the hands of Washington bureaucrats. I don’t think Washington is competent to find it’s own ass with both hands, and I think in many ways we are better off for that. Gov’t is still the greatest threat to liberties (and yes, economic liberty is the liberty that really matters for most people, most of the time), and that threat will always come clothed in a gov’t that is “here to help you.”

    Moreover, frankly, I think the realities of institutional Washington makes real “change” extremely difficult, if not nearly impossible; I think Obama (if he wins) is in for a rude shock. Any change will be incrimintal, not revolutionary. That’s the nature of the beast. That’s where is lack of any real experinece comes in.

  226. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    “biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink
    Brains_never- By attacking her, do you mean telling facts about her, her life, and her political career?

    Why thats exactly what the libtards accused Palin of….She just told a few facts about the One and BAM…”

    Is this your version of the “I know you are but what am I?” response?
    Nice. Very reflective of your intelligence level no doubt.

  227. biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Brains_never- “Is this your version of the “I know you are but what am I?” response?
    Nice. Very reflective of your intelligence level no doubt.”

    No it’s my version of pointing out the forever whine and hypocrisy of the libtards and their media.

  228. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    “biased1
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:33 pm…
    No it’s my version of pointing out the forever whine and hypocrisy of the libtards and their media.”

    sure it is

  229. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    brian_nuevo

    “The “objective” media made the mistake of showing their obvious bias by attacking her and her family in knee-jerk fashion….”

    By attacking her, do you mean telling facts about her, her life, and her political career?”

    No by talking about her pg daughter without telling us how many abortions Michele (I’m not proud of my country if it doesn’t have a black reprations loving president) Obama has had.

    I think when the truth comes out about how many babies she has killed a lot of people will say – I’m not voting for a baby killer.

  230. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    biased1

    CFak47- “sense a bit of desperation”

    Introducing No.2 with more qualifications than oppositions No.1….

    Yeah…I smell it too….”

    Smells like fear to me.

  231. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Deb

    “Wow! The venom on this post toward Sarah Palin should be harnessed and turned into an alternative fuel!

    Since it needs to be spelled out for folks on why many Republicans became energized by Palin’s nomination it is because she is unashamedly pro-life.

    The “objective” media made the mistake of showing their obvious bias by attacking her and her family in knee-jerk fashion. This has further energized the pro-life crowd.”

    Yep they woke up thc conservatives who were going to sit out this election.

    Fairness doctrine? First let’s make the anti Christian Anti American pro homosexual liberal media fair before we worry about anything else.

  232. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    For 18 months, the conservatives addressed issues when King Obama gave us platitude after platitude.

    I even offered up key issues and questioned what would Obama do? Since Obama has no experience one can look at to estimate what Obama will do in the future, and since Obama changes his position on many issues, Nobody Knows What Obama Will Do.

    NOW, for some unknown reason, the Libs are asking the same questions about Palin, questions which they failed to ask even of their own anointed candidate Obama.

    There are a couple of differences though.

    One, Obama is the Presidential candidate. Why are you Libs comparing Obama to Palin? (pssst…Palin is the VP candidate.) The only thing I can think of is that the Libs now recognize that Obama and Palin both have very little experience. The Libs want a contest to prove that their Presidential candidate is less worse then the other party’s VP candidate! And Obama’s experience compared to McCain’s, there is no contest.

    Two, the issues the Libs bring up as problems for Palin to solve, are either not major issues or they are not issues that Government can or should solve! The Libs think that Government is there to solve all of our problems. When in fact, that is not the Constitutional role of our Government, and it is not Someone Else’s Responsibility to Solve Your Problems!

    But do carry on Libs. Keep bringing up the What Would Palin Do scenarios. Spend your time asking about what Sarah will do, since you certainly do NOT want to consider What Obama Would Do!

  233. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    One, Obama is the Presidential candidate. Why are you Libs comparing Obama to Palin? (pssst…Palin is the VP candidate.)

    Uh. . .we’re not. You guys are.

  234. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    It’s looking like Ms. Palin’s chief value is as a bright shiny object, to draw attention from the main issues of the race.

    Well, mission accomplished. . .for now.

  235. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Tell me, GMC, as an attorney, weren’t you bothered just a tiny bit by her cavalier trashing of the Miranda warning and, by implication, those namby-pamby notion of a defendant’s rights?

  236. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Uh. . .we’re not. You guys are.

    and for good reason. Sarah Palin makes Obama look like a rookie.

    And that’s not too hard. He IS a rookie.

  237. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Thank you WEBlog for adding Two More Palin Topics Today!

    THREE IN ONE DAY!

    YES!

    (I don’t think Obama even had such ‘honors’. Not sure which topic to post Palin comments on now though! )

    And WHO so foolishly said the Press was Piling on Palin?

  238. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Sarah Palin makes Obama look like a rookie.

    Did you actually type that with a straight face?

  239. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Media bias?

    Well let’s see how many of you have seen this editoral?

    THE BEST MAN TURNED OUT TO BE A WOMAN
    September 3, 2008

    John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, as his running mate finally gave Republicans a reason to vote for him — a reason, that is, other than B. Hussein Obama.

    The media are hopping mad about McCain’s vice presidential selection, but they’re really furious over at MSNBC. After drawing “Keith + Obama” hearts on their denim notebooks, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews stayed up all night last Thursday, writing jokes about Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, the presumed vice presidential pick. Now they can’t use any of them.

    So the media are taking it out on our brave Sarah and her 17-year-old daughter.

    They claimed Palin was chosen only because she’s a woman. In fact, Palin was chosen because she’s pro-life, pro-gun, pro-drilling and pro-tax cuts. She’s fought both Republicans and Democrats on public corruption and does not have hair plugs like some other vice presidential candidate I could mention. In other words, she’s a “Republican.”

    As a right-winger, Palin will appeal to the narrow 59 percent of Americans who voted for another former small-market sportscaster: Ronald Reagan. Our motto: Sarah Palin is only a heartbeat away!

    If you’re going to say Palin was chosen because she’s a woman, you’re going to have to demonstrate that the runners-up were more qualified. Gov. Tim Pawlenty seems like a terrific fellow and fine governor, but he is not obviously more qualified than Palin.

    As for former governor of Pennsylvania Tom Ridge and Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman, the other also-rans, I can think of at least 40 million unborn reasons she’s better than either of them.

    Within the first few hours after Palin’s name was announced, McCain raised $4 million in campaign donations online, reaching $10 million within the next two days. Which shortlist vice presidential pick could have beaten that?

    The media hysterically denounced Palin as “inexperienced.” But then people started to notice that she has more executive experience than B. Hussein Obama — the guy at the top of the Democrats’ ticket.

    They tried to create a “Troopergate” for Palin, indignantly demanding to know why she wanted to get her ex-brother-in-law removed as a state trooper. Again, public corruption is not a good issue for someone like Obama, Chicago pol and noted friend of Syrian National/convicted felon Antonin Rezko.

    For the cherry on top, then we found out Palin’s ex-brother-in-law had Tasered his own 10-year-old stepson. Defend that, Democrats.

    The bien-pensant criticized Palin, saying it’s irresponsible for a woman with five children to run for vice president. Liberals’ new talking point: Sarah Palin: Only five abortions away from the presidency.

    They claimed her newborn wasn’t her child, but the child of her 17-year-old daughter. That turned out to be a lie.

    Then they attacked her daughter, who actually is pregnant now, for being unmarried. When liberals start acting like they’re opposed to pre-marital sex and mothers having careers, you know McCain’s vice presidential choice has knocked them back on their heels.

    But at least liberal reporters had finally found someone their own size to pick on: a 17-year-old girl.

    Speaking of Democrats with newborn children, the media weren’t particularly concerned about John Edwards running for president despite his having a mistress with a newborn child.

    While the difficult circumstances of Palin’s pregnant daughter are being covered like a terrorist attack on the nation, with leering accounts of the 18-year-old father, the media remain resolutely uninterested in the parentage of Edwards’ mistress’s love child. Except, that is, the hardworking reporters at the National Enquirer, who say Edwards is the father.

    As this goes to press, the latest media-invented scandal about Palin is that McCain didn’t know her well before choosing her as his running mate. He knew her well enough, though admittedly, not as well as Obama knows William Ayers.

    John F. Kennedy, who was — from what the media tell me — America’s most beloved president, detested his vice president, Lyndon Johnson.

    Until Clinton interviewed Al Gore one time before choosing him as his vice presidential candidate, he had met Gore only one other time: when Gore was running for president in 1988 and flew to Little Rock seeking Clinton’s endorsement. Clinton turned him down.

    To this day, there’s no proof that Bill Clinton ever met one-on-one with his CIA director, James Woolsey, other than a brief chat after midnight the night before Woolsey’s nomination was announced.

    Barring some all-new, trivial and probably false story about Palin — her former hairdresser got a parking ticket in 1978! — the media apparently intend to keep being hysterical about McCain’s alleged failure to “vet” Palin properly. The problem with this argument is that it presupposes that everyone is asking: “HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?”

    No one’s saying that.

    Attacks on McCain’s “vetting” process require the media to keep claiming that Palin has a lot of problems. But she doesn’t have any problems. Remember? Those were all blind alleys.

    Unfortunately, for the ordinary TV viewer hearing nonstop hysteria about nonspecific “problems,” it takes a lot of effort to figure out that every attack liberals have launched against Palin turned out to be a lie.

    It’s as if a basketball player made the winning shot in the last three seconds of the game and liberals demand that we have a week-long discussion about whether the player should have taken that shot. WHAT IF HE MISSED?

    With Palin, McCain didn’t miss.

  240. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    “Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:49 pm …
    No by talking about her pg daughter without telling us how many abortions Michele (I’m not proud of my country if it doesn’t have a black reprations loving president) Obama has had.

    I think when the truth comes out about how many babies she has killed a lot of people will say – I’m not voting for a baby killer.”

    WOW! Pretty strong words there. Especially without posting anything to back them up. Any links or other facts upon which you base those assertions you make?

  241. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Rage –

    That’s much to complex an issue for the “gotcha” simplicity of this blog. But, in short, equating terrorists committing acts of war against the US or her combat forces to criminal defendants charged with the usual crimes is truly apples v. oranges.

    Not remotely the same thing.

  242. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Did you actually type that with a straight face?

    And without crossing my fingers.

    Tell me what experience Obama has in any actual governance. At all. Ever. At any level.

    I didn’t think so.

  243. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    “Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
    Media bias?

    Well let’s see how many of you have seen this editoral?

    THE BEST MAN TURNED OUT TO BE A WOMAN
    September 3, 2008…”

    And where, pray tell, was that editorial published?

  244. mom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    ‘If Obama is sucha great leader, why are his minions not following his instructions’

    —-

    Did you also hold George W. Bush accountable for the swiftboating of John Kerry?

  245. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    That’s much to complex an issue for the “gotcha” simplicity of this blog. But, in short, equating terrorists committing acts of war against the US or her combat forces to criminal defendants charged with the usual crimes is truly apples v. oranges.

    Not remotely the same thing.

    I see. And you’re not at all bothered that she did exactly that? (you won’t find anyone who’s actually arguing for Miranda warnings on the battlefield, you know, despite her dishonest misrepresenation of those who dared to support the basic rule of law).

  246. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    grobnick what will Sarah do?

  247. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    I see. And you’re not at all bothered that she did exactly that?

    Actually, Rage, it is you who are attempting to do exactly that. What Palin said is that, indeed, they are not the same thing.

  248. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    “GMC70″ contrives –

    “…it is you who are attempting to do exactly that. What Palin said is that, indeed, they are not the same thing.”

    There’s a thought in there somewhere perhaps.

    And if the SnowBilly said it, it must be true.

  249. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
    grobnick what will Sarah do?
    =====================================================================

    See the 1:55 post.

  250. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Sarah will be VP. The question to ask is – “What will McCain do?”

    Pick an issue. Then compare constrast McCain to Obama.

    I venture you will NOT be able to predict what Obama will do.

    You will be able to predict what McCain will do. You may not LIKE what McCain will do, but you can reasonably estimate what he will do.

    With Obama, it’s a crapshoot.

  251. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    CHANGE the dice and roll.

  252. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    “MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
    Sarah will be VP. The question to ask is – “What will McCain do?”

    Pick an issue. Then compare constrast McCain to Obama.

    I venture you will NOT be able to predict what Obama will do.

    You will be able to predict what McCain will do. You may not LIKE what McCain will do, but you can reasonably estimate what he will do.

    With Obama, it’s a crapshoot.”

    So if you don’t like what McCain would do there is at least a chance Obama would do something else.
    Therefore, you can vote for McCain and have certainty in not liking what he does, or vote for Obama and have a chance he would do something you like.

    (Or you could do neither)

  253. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    i>Tell me what experience Obama has in any actual governance. At all. Ever. At any level.

    8 years as an influential legislator in the Illinois state Senate.

    3½ years as as U.S. senator. Yeah, he was running for president for a good portion of the past 2 years. So what? As I have repeatedly emphasized, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    As for Ms. Palin, well she spent a decade on the Wasilla city council, 6 as mayor, in a city-manager form of goverment. She was briefly on the Oil and Gas Conservation Commission before resigning.

    Then, she became governor in late 2006, nearly two years after Obama had joined the US Senate, and about 2 months before he would annouce for president.

    She has served in that office about 19 months. You want to make a comparison to Obama’s Senate tenure when he announced for president? Fine. That sets aside his long service in the Illinois Senate, but I’ll humor you.

    What is it about Ms. Palin’s short tenure as governor of a small oil-producing state that makes her so much more qualified that Obama’s first two years in the US Senate did?

    Don’t say “executive experience.” We’ve seen what’s W.’s “executive experience” has gotten us. And Bill Clinton (whose legacy I regard as extremely mixed) had been governor of Arkansas for 12 years, former chair of the National Governor’s Association, and a nationally known poltical figure by 1988.

    And point that CF2K made that you so lightly dismiss is more relevant than you think. Sarah Palin won the trust of the voters in Alaska to become governor. Good for her, but that’s all that was necessary for her to get the job. The mere fact of being a first-term governor means nothing. Details matter.

    One can certainly say the same of Obama’s US Senate tenure, in fact, they have, repeatedly, over the past two years. Sarah Palin defeated a deeply unpopular governor and slightly less despised former governor to win her seat. Barack Obama defeated some of the best known and more experienced politicians in the Democratic party.

    Were those voters wrong? Pudding, GMC, pudding.

    Obama has been in the national spotlight for 4 years now. Ms. Palin entered from stage left, with McCain’s help, days ago. No one outside of Alaska knows squat about her. She has not been vetted by the American people, and she does not deserve a “free ride.”

  254. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Classic dilemma situation for you Brian.

    Choosing a known outcome or choosing one that could be better, but could also be worse.

    What’s your downside risk? What’s your worse case scenario, and can you live with that? Can your kids? (If you have kids)

  255. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    P.S. Since the talking point will persist, a reminder: John McCain’s “executive experience” consists of leading his squadron.

  256. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    P.P.S. Since we’re talking about a VP choice: how many of you hadn’t heard of Biden?

  257. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Rage

    8 years as an influential legislator in the Illinois state Senate.

    3½ years as as U.S. senator. Yeah, he was running for president for a good portion of the past 2 years. So what? As I have repeatedly emphasized, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.”

    Yes proof in the pudding.

    The first thing that comes to mind about Obama is him voting NO to the US having ENGLISH as a NATIONAL language.

    Yes this is the kind of leadership we will lose if Palin gets in.

  258. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Rage

    “P.P.S. Since we’re talking about a VP choice: how many of you hadn’t heard of Biden?”

    I hadn’t heard anything good about him.

    Still haven’t.

  259. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    “MaxGrobnik” posits –

    “What will McCain do?”

    Pick an issue. Then compare constrast McCain to Obama.”

    Thing is, McCoot is as one-man force of “constrast.”

    Is he for or against Shrub’s tax-cuts for the ultra-rich? He’s advocated both positions.

    Are Twice-Born demagogues “agents of division” or not? The “straight talk” expressionist has claimed both positions.

    Is John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) for torture or against it?

    Should there be a time-line for ending the Iraq occupation?

    Why don’t you pick an issue, “MaxGrobnik?” And tell us all what the McCodger’s long-held, deeply-principled position is?

    Then we’ll talk.

  260. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    well let me ask you this maxie,

    What have the cons done for anybody ceptin the select few.

    Crushed the Muslim terrorists?

    Created how many new jobs?

    Gay marriage legal where?

    Rolled back the debt?

    Decreased the deficit?

    Revised the tax code?

    Abortion illegal?

    Strengthen the currency?

    Improved the trade deficit?

    Fixed the border?

    No child left behind ?

    Come on maxie you guys had 8 years runnin things

    What will Sarah do?

  261. annie_moose
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    market off 344 points they must not think much of Sarah?

    Will Sarah revive the ownership society?

  262. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Actually, Rage, it is you who are attempting to do exactly that. What Palin said is that, indeed, they are not the same thing.

    What Palin did was conflate respect for the rights of those accused of “unlawful combatants” with injecting Miranda into battlefield conditions. That is a flat-out lie.

    Such persons are, by those who have even minimal respect for the rule of law, in fact criminal defendants, and fully deserving of the Constitutional protections therein, including stated charges, arraignment, etc.

    They cannot be prisners of war, as many of they were not even combatants (let alone unlawful), and have been held for years thousands of miles away from any battlefield.

    As persons accused of serious criminal acts under US jurisdiction, they deserve, as a matter of Western civilization, the basic Constitutional protections afforded anyone accused of a crime. Denying this basic tenet is a radical and untenable legal position, in terms of logic, law, facts, or precedent.

    And for an attorney to deny something so breathtakingly obvious is shocking.

  263. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Yes proof in the pudding.

    The first thing that comes to mind about Obama is him voting NO to the US having ENGLISH as a NATIONAL language.

    A stupid point, but congrats on your first non-trollish post!

  264. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Y’all can’t answer what your man Obama would do.

    So you persist in your distraction attempts as to what Sarah will do.

    I’m not biting.

    Go bite yourself.

  265. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    The overriding Media concern about Palin is their “concern” for her 17-year-old pregnant daughter.

    Ya got anything else?

  266. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    “Kandisue” declares –

    “The first thing that comes to mind about Obama is him voting NO to the US having ENGLISH as a NATIONAL language.”

    Seems like the marketplace has pretty much established English as the predominant language in America.

    Why do you hate the marketplace?

    Why do you want the Government to build a bureaucracy to enforce grammar? Sounds like Big Brother imposing how individuals communicate with one another.

    See that skinny doggy/wolfie critter out there threatening your 3-year-old? For Gods sake, find an English word for it, otherwise you’ll call it a “coyote” and break the the “National Language” law!

    Drive up to the fast food window and order a deep-fried unleavened piece of cornbread wrapped around meat and cheese because if you order a “taco” you’ll be speaking a language that undermines the “NATIONAL language.”

    Yeah, “Kandisue,” you’ve got a lock on important issues. And “GMC70″ is the Queen of Romania.

  267. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Rage –

    You do understand the difference between legislating and governing, don’t you? While both are important, they are not the same thing. Mayors govern. Governors govern. Presidents govern. Legislators legislate. As noted last night, those who govern cannot vote “present.”

    Moreover, Obama’s legislative record is mediocre, at best. When he points to “ethics reform” as his signature accomplishment, that tells me there’s not much there.

    Third, he’s running for the #1 spot, not #2. Assuming she has much to learn, she’s in the perfect place to do so. He will be thrown into the fire. Immediately.

    Running a campaign qualifies him to, well, run a campaign. I frankly think, like some others have expressed, that Obama is a bit surprised to be where he is. He ran, expecting to test the waters and make himself a player for the future, but found himself the recipient of the “anybody but Hillary” vote. And realized that he could actually win this thing.

    He can give a hell of a speech, I’ll give him that. In fact, his ability to do so is the only reason he is where he is. Absent his 2004 DNC speech, most of us would have never heard of him.

    The fact remains he is the most singularly unprepared individual to be a candidate in the last century. You can spin that all day long, but it’s a fact.

    Does experience matter? Of course. Is it a guarantee of an effective president? No, nor is lack of experience a guarantee of a non-effective president. But only a fool would argue that experience (or lack thereof) does not matter.

    Please tell me you’re not a fool.

  268. GMC70
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    MH –

    Does Romania have a Queen?

    While ruling with an iron fist is kinda appealing, I’ll pass on the sex change, thanks.

    :-)

  269. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    “brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
    “Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
    Media bias?

    Well let’s see how many of you have seen this editoral?

    THE BEST MAN TURNED OUT TO BE A WOMAN
    September 3, 2008…”

    And where, pray tell, was that editorial published?”

    What Kandisue, no response?

  270. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Third, he’s running for the #1 spot, not #2.

    Exactly. And his opponent is John McCain, who is also a legislator, and who apparently needs to distract attention away from his own record.

    Yes, operating a sprawling bureaucracy is different than writing its operational rules and budget. But a good legislator pays attention to such minutiae. Bad legislators shoot from the hip.

    You’re also leaving out the defects in an purely executive perspective. In the case of George W. Bush, we saw a mentality that believed in being charge without taking any interest in the details. Reagan too (you want to complaint about a lightweight who gave great speeches??).

    The whole executive vs. legislative argument ignores the critical involvement of both in the proper functioning of federal government–or any Western government for that matter. Worse, it turns them into black boxes, wherein nothing requires further examination.

    I’ll concwde that running a government bureaucracy counts for something but that’s where the inquiry begins.

    And the ultimate choice is not Sarah Palin (unless McCain dies), but Barack Obama vs. John McCain.

    Pudding.

  271. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk

    “Kandisue” declares –

    “The first thing that comes to mind about Obama is him voting NO to the US having ENGLISH as a NATIONAL language.”

    Seems like the marketplace has pretty much established English as the predominant language in America.

    Why do you hate the marketplace?”

    Marketplace?

    Are you saying you disagree with Obama who want to nationalize health care?
    Instead of giving free healt care to gang victims and illegal aliens?

  272. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    brian_nuevo

    Media bias?

    Well let’s see how many of you have seen this editoral?

    THE BEST MAN TURNED OUT TO BE A WOMAN
    September 3, 2008…”

    And where, pray tell, was that editorial published?”

    What Kandisue, no response?

    What?

    You mean the liberal Eagle forgot to run this editoral? Or do not want to run conservative view points?

  273. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Why do the MN police not use tazars on the protestors that resist?

    That’s my recomendation taze them if the resist.

  274. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    That’s my recomendation taze them if the resist.

    Since they’re already crushing journalists’ heads into the pavement, that’s hardly necessary.

  275. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    We’ve seen the results of Mccain’s first and last executive decision in picking his mate.

  276. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Rage

    “Since they’re already crushing journalists’ heads into the pavement, that’s hardly necessary.”

    Why were ther resisting?

    Did they learn their lesson?

  277. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Why were ther resisting?

    They weren’t “resisting”. Does this look like resisting?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jreRSEQ_yg

  278. Mr_Kia
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
    Why were ther resisting?

    They weren’t “resisting”. Does this look like resisting?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jreRSEQ_yg
    —————————————————-

    It looks like the sky.
    And the ground.

  279. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Don’t forget that Obama attended a white hating church for 20 years – but wasn’t aware of it.

    US of KKK.

    His Grandmother who partially raised him was a “Typical White Woman”.

  280. Rage
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    It looks like the sky.
    And the ground.

    It was from the camera held by a full-credentialed reporter.

    Here’s a transcript:

    NICOLE SALAZAR: Watch out! Watch out! Press!

    POLICE OFFICER: Get out of here! Move!

    NICOLE SALAZAR: Where are we supposed to go? Where are we supposed to go?

    POLICE OFFICER: Get out of here!

    NICOLE SALAZAR: Dude, I can’t see! Ow! Press! Press! Press!

    POLICE OFFICER: Get down! Get down on your face! On your face!

    NICOLE SALAZAR: I’m on my face!

    POLICE OFFICER: Get down on your face!

    NICOLE SALAZAR: Ow! Press! Press!

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/2/amy_goodman_two_democracy_now_producers

    They also charged with her a felony, for holding a camera, covering an event, in a place she had every right to be.

    If that doesn’t chill to the bone, there’s something deeply wrong wirh you.

  281. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Looks like blaming the media didn’t work out so well, now she’s blamin obama/biden.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_88

  282. Boxlock
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    “McCain picked a little-known, inexperienced politician as his running mate.”
    Oh come on Brownlee,
    Who the heck ever heard of Barrack Hussein Obama before his speech four years ago.
    He has less experience by far than Palin. He has been campaigning over half his Senate career, if you could even call it a career.
    And state legislators are a dime a dozen in Illinois.
    He is the ‘little known, inexperienced politician, not Sarah.

  283. brian_nuevo
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    “Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
    You mean the liberal Eagle forgot to run this editoral? Or do not want to run conservative view points?”

    Still you do not provide a reference to where the editorial you mentioned was published…

  284. Phantom
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s been touring the country for the last yr. giving speeches and interviews, barbie, not so much.

  285. Kandisue
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Phantom

    “Obama’s been touring the country for the last yr. giving speeches and interviews, barbie, not so much.”

    Interviews that are scripted and only with the Obama we love your anti American views left wing liberal media.

    Please reference one conservative interview.

  286. sursum
    Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    About media coverage. The PM of the UK had the ability to accompany his son to court after he was charged with drunken disorderly etc etc., and the press over there reported it in the activity of the courts for that day. It was not hyped. The PM of Canada had his eldest, adopted son up on assault charges and PM stood with and accompanied this “slow” Indian boy to court for the trial and sentencing. This also was reported as a court proceeding, and not hyped. When Prince Harry was fighting in Afganistan the UK press knew that it would harm his unit if his presence was known, this too was kept quite. It used to be that way in the US (FDR etc), but I’m afraid the press like other sacred basics for a democracy has been compromised by greed.

  287. flatlander
    Posted September 7, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    hey aunti-mouse, McClasky is one of the bigest liberal organizations there is. I can see why you are duped. They fail to tell you that the biggest majority of programs that the democrats had excessive amounts of pork on them.

  288. Posted September 7, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Kandisue?

    On the day you posted? Obama sat down for an interview with Republican flack Bill O’Reilly.

    I saw Joe Biden on Meet the Press today. Tom Brokaw extended invitation to John McCain and Sarah Palin.

    They have not responded to invitation to appear.

  289. outlander
    Posted September 7, 2008 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Who you trying to fool BJ? If it takes McCain or Palin as long as it took Obama to respond to O’Reilly, they will already have been inaugurated and in office for 6 months.

  290. Posted September 7, 2008 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Your point MIGHT be valid outlander.

    IF not for the fact that McCain has been the con nominee since what January?

    He waited until 3 days before the convention to name his VP.

    It is John McCain who has put himself and his choice for VP in the position of being “rushed”.

    If Sarah Palin cannot face the press? How in the world can she be trusted a heartbeat away from the Presidency?

  291. okobserver
    Posted September 7, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Rage what bothers me about this exchange isn’t what was said but what wasn’t told. There was an unruly crowd. We all saw this. Police officers have to focus on crowd contol always. When she was told to get down she should have and argued her point later.

    I was at a breakfast where the Wichita police cheif was the main speaker. It was right after a student at one of our high schools had been tased. The community was incensed and several questions were raised about the wisdom of tasing students.

    When he was asked about how it could have been avoided he said that if an officer is standing in front of you with a tase gun in his hand and tells you to get down. Get down. Argue whether you are right or wrong after order has been restored.

    This should have happened in this here.

  292. Posted September 7, 2008 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    If a cop told me to “get down” without any good reason I’d tell him to go hell. If he tased me I’d sue for police brutality. THAT is what should happen “here”.

    I find it really odd that so called “conservatives’ are ok with the police abusing their authority.

  293. okobserver
    Posted September 7, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Blue Jay you missed the part about an out of control crowd. She ran into a situation that was being handled by the police and tried to get in the middel of it. I watched the video. It wasn’t the time for interference nor was it the place.

    I know that you are a macho guy and would do it your way but a thinking person who wants to avoid trouble would do what the authority figure at that time told them to do.

    I would like to see this one go to court. With all of the video available she comes off looking a little loony.