Maybe Joe Biden needs to spend some more time with the top of his ticket, as Sarah Palin does with John McCain. In recent days, Biden has muddled or contradicted Barack Obama’s positions on several issues, saying that the federal government shouldn’t bail out AIG, that the rich should pay more taxes “to be patriotic,” that the Obama ad making fun of McCain’s computer illiteracy was “terrible” and that he and Obama “are not supporting clean coal” plants in the United States. As Newsweek blogger Andrew Romano wrote, someone from the Obama campaign “should give the guy a good talking to. If he or she can get a word in edgewise, that is.”
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That’s odd, I stand with Biden on most of that- however I disagree about attacking McSame.
“Biden needs to study Obama’s stands”
Why? The rumor is he won’t be on the ticket much longer anyway.
Obama is stumbling in the dark, and only talks like he knows where he is or where he’s going.
Biden who? If we were to examine this campaign on media coverage (and bashing) it would appear the only person running is Sarah Palin.
Biden needs to study Obama’s stands Daily!
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Fixed it.
Obama bin Biden sticking their foot in their mouth is hardly suprising.
nice decision about Joe Biden Obamah – DANG !! Biden reminds me of Walter – you know – the old man disgruntled pupet – no more ‘huggie/kissie-face’ between those two – If Biden dosen’t watch his mouth – Obamah will have him taking out the trash – obviously a job above his pay-grade
Does Biden wear PUMAs too?
Is this the same guy that said that Obama did not yet have enough experience to be the President?
Perhaps, Obama should study Biden’s stands.
This shows the melting of the dimos. Biden was the worst pick for vp. The two do not see eye to eye on the issues and that was apparent before Obama picked Biden. It shows the dimming of the the dims. It does not get much better than this.
Add this one to your list Eagle from msnbc:
Biden: Don’t ‘Fool’ with my Beretta’
In talking about a prediction that Biden had concerning Republicans, he said they would seek to sway voters by threatening that Obama would take away guns. Biden is a gun owner. Biden said,
“Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” he said. “If he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”
I see stupid people…they’re everywhere…they walk around like everyone else…they don’t even know that they’re dumb.
Since they now have a 9 pt. lead, they just need to keep doing what they’re doing. Moose Dresser has flashed and burned like the piece of fluff she is.
He’ll make an interesting v.p.
This is an opportunity for political ju jitsu.
One of Joe Biden’s attributes, according to Obama when he announced his Veep selection, is that Joe Biden would be a “yes-man.”
He’d disagree.
He’d have the courage of his convictions to speak to power.
Imagine the Moose-Dresser stopping a cabinet meeting to say, “Y’know, John, you’re wrong on this issue. We should really torture these guys, John. Make ‘em cry for mommy!”
Bottom line –
No one who was living in the 1980s should be held in contempt for how they looked in the 1980s. It was a sickness of polyester, mullets, and hairspray. Inappropriate spandex and leg-warmers and that hairstyle you only see among Wal-Mart check-out clerks with the frozen-in-time wave of bangs hanging over the forehead like the sword of Damocles.
The spot Biden $called “terrible” showed John S (for senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) back in the day when Cindy dressed him in nerd glasses and a Herb Tarlek sport coat. No one should be subjected to have their 80s wardrobe exposed on national television.
I think that’s officially classified as a Crime Against Humanity, albeit a misdemeanor.
Biden thought the clueless McCoot spot was “terrible” because a similar effort would probably show him a month or two after he put in the hair plugs; little circles defying male pattern baldness.
And, as he said, the substance of the commercial was accurate; he didn’t like the way they presented it.
2nd ‘graph above should have been WOULDN’T be a yes-man.
I don’t think it was Freudian.
I think it’s because I need some coffee.
I’ll be back…
I wonder when the calls will begin to ring out to dump lil’ Sarah?
“Poll: Palin’s Favorable Rating Slips 10 Points in 3 Days
Jon Ponder | Sep. 16, 2008
More evidence of a slide, cited by Newsweek:
Over the course of a single weekend, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.
Since Sept. 13, Palin’s unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That’s a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12) of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.
What happened? I’d argue that Palin’s considerable novelty is starting to wear off. In part it’s the result of a steady stream of unhelpful stories: her unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine during last Thursday’s interview with Charles Gibson … her refusal to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation; her repeated stretching of the truth on everything from earmarks to the Bridge to Nowhere to the amount of energy her state produces. That stuff has a way of inspiring disapproval and eroding one’s support. (Interestingly, Palin’s preparedness numbers–about 50 percent yes, 45 percent no–haven’t budged.)
She wouldn’t be the first Alaskan flash in the pan. But she’s increasingly looking like fool’s gold.
Gee, I kinda like a VP who doesn’t walk lockstep with the prez. I sure don’t want a yes man in there. Nor do I want someone like Cheney, who runs the show anyway. Point-counterpoint discussions between professionals can produce better solutions to problems. On the other hand, we got Bush, who shoots from the hip. And we all know where that leads.
Joe Bidden was/is a loose cannon that the Democrats have had to deal with a long time. He speaks with that senatorialese style (my good friend from….)and seems very affable until you think about what he has said and you realize that wasn’t the company line. It’s a VP choice I don’t understand.
I disagree with him about 99% of the time but I like him. He would be a great neighbor to have a beer with on Sunday and watch football
Bidden has his faults, but he is someone I listen to when he speaks. The fact he sometimes conflicts with Obama means they didn’t hide him from the public for a few weeks and program him. Sound familiar? I guess that means he comes equipped with both a brain and experience.
BIden should indeed fall behind and articulate what the Obama administrations position is on issues. THe time for him to disagree, to counsel, and to argue and state otherwise is in private, to Obama.
Such should be the standard operating procedures for second in command everywhere.
BIden should indeed fall behind and articulate what the Obama administrations position is on issues. THe time for him to disagree, to counsel, and to argue and state otherwise is in private, to Obama.
Such should be the standard operating procedures for second in command everywhere.
sorry for the double post. My bad
REALLY !! – even Osama-bin-laden’s number two gets inline with him – You’d think that Hussein-Obama-Bin-Biden’s number two could at least do the same – freakin morons
You have to remember Obama and Biden aren’t doing the coordinated(won’t let you out of my sight) travelling campaign that Mccain/palin have opted for.
And, each candidate are entitled to voice their own opinion. At least it doesn’t look like a scripted campaign.
I’d rather have a running mate who will speak his mind than a ‘yes-person’ bobblehead. As to the issue itself I find myself torn – obviously we will have to bail out these crooks but it sure stinks.
Old News.
Eagle, please try to keep up. You can’t always wait for the DemUnderground/AP newswire to tell you what to print.
The Biden topic was covered in yesterday’s OPEN Thread.
That’s what happens when candidates lie to the people. They need to let their VP know how to say something so that it doesn’t come across like you are lying to the people or you need to make sure they don’t say certain things at all. Maybe if they told the truth, they wouldn’t have to double check with each other before they open their mouths to the public.
I think it has been funny because in a way he is really saying the truth about what the democrats believe. Everything he says is no different than what the MSM says or even what some of you are saying on the blog. The truth does come out and then they have to go and spin it so it looks like he’s an idiot or something like that.
I think this may just be the beginning of the end for Biden and the introduction of you know who!!??, Hillary Clinton, as the new VP pick for Obama. It is the only way they can make sure he wins. If not, then they will just let him lose because really you know that Hillary is not going to be happy as just the President, she will wait for 2012 to run for President again.
It’s already cost me multiples of the per share amount of the bailout in my 401k’s. How’re the rest of you fairing?
With a 9 pt. lead, they’re not sweating it, it must be working.
sunflower5
Posted September 24, 2008 at 8:09 am | Permalink
This shows the melting of the dimos. Biden was the worst pick for vp. The two do not see eye to eye on the issues and that was apparent before Obama picked Biden. It shows the dimming of the the dims. It does not get much better than this
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And what does it say about the Republicans when they won’t even let their VP choice out on her own? McCain’s campaign has kept Sarah Palin covered by their political curtain with a bunch of lawyers now trying to railroad the Troopergate investigation into non-existence. Sarah Palin herself stated she wanted the investigation prior to be the VP pick, now she is shrouded in McCain’s lawyers trying to weasel out of it? BTW, that Alaksa inquiry has 4 Democrats and 10 Republicans on it – what is so afraid of?
Palin has to have a crash course in foreign relations before McCain’s people will let her out in public. The last time she spoke, she advocated going to war with Russia. This would make how many wars McCain and Palin want now – 3? Let’s count them – Iraq, Iran and now Russia.
Where is the money going to come from, especially with out weakened economy?
Sunflower5 – you might want to check on your own party’s dimos before you start hacking on others.
Biden’s on Fox now giving a foreign affairs speech and kicking mccains ass.
bth
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink
I’d rather have a running mate who will speak his mind than a ‘yes-person’ bobblehead
In private yes, or even in closed meeting, yes. In public, at least in my opiion, they need to speak with the same voice. If the VP cannot abide by the direction of the President, then he needs to resign. Just my opinion.
By the way, it has nothing to do with any candidates
currently in the mix. I just think it is sound principal.
Let’s see, Biden and McCain speak out against AIG bailout on the same day.
Obama waits to see what McCain is saying and then Obama rips into McCain for speaking out against the AIG. Reporters ask Obama about why he is ripping into McCain for a stand that his VP is taking.
Obama replies with a um… er… Joe shoud have thought about it some more.
Biden did not openly disagree with Obama since Obama had not even spoken out on what his stand was! Obama disagreed with McCain and did not bother to check and see what his VP was up to, but then said that he needs to “re-think” his opinion.
Biden is a yes man if he needs to sit down and “re-think” his opinions. Just like he re-thought his opinion of that “terrible” Obama add poking at McCain for being old.
McCain actually uses technology, including the internet, quite a bit.
McCain simply has his wife, or someone else, use the key board on his behalf.
Biden was right, on the internet issue. McCain is as savvy as anyone else in Congress, if not more so. McCain’s committee and subcommittee assignments, alone, put him in a position to be on top of these issues.
“articulate what the Obama administrations position is on issues.”
Yes I agree. Someone needs to. No wait! I know this one.
CHANGE!!!!!!!!
(do you think Biden can screw that up too?)
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MaxGrobnik
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink
Old News.
Eagle, please try to keep up. You can’t always wait for the DemUnderground/AP newswire to tell you what to print.
The Biden topic was covered in yesterday’s OPEN Thread.
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Try to keep up Max. It isn’t yesterday any more, and wont be until tomorrow. Quit being stuck in the past; the future holds so much more. Like the first black man as president:-)
mom
BULL
Palin’s position, on Russia, is pretty much the same as most politicians, in Congress, who has spoken on the issue.
Obama is not going to win.
Remember how wrong the polls were, when Clinton defeated Obama so many times, towards the end of the primary campaign?
first black man as president.
Why does his race have to come up?
Franklin the polls are all the democrats have to hope for. If the polls aren’t reflecting things they way they want em to – they just change em.
Dupe
first black man as president.
Why does his race have to come up?
Franklin the polls are all the democrats have to hope for. If the polls aren’t reflecting things they way they want em to – they just change em.
Hears what Biden has actually said about AIG.
VIEIRA: Let’s start with AIG. You just heard Senator McCain say under his watch no bailout. What do you say?
BIDEN: Under his watch we went up on the shoals here. The idea here is — you know, if you’re going to hire a doctor to operate on you who’s just been convicted of malpractice, are you going to do that? Look the fundamentals of the economy are not good. The American worker has been left out in the cold. The American worker has been the victim of this. No one doubts the American worker is strong, but why (inaudible) anybody tried to help him? Why have they let — you know, the highest foreclosure rates, the highest cost of gas and energy, the highest unemployment rate?
VIEIRA: But now we have this mess, Senator. Do you think that AIG should be bailed out by the federal government?
BIDEN: No, I don’t think they should be bailed out by the federal government. I’ll tell you what we should do. We should try to correct the problems that caused this. And what’s caused this? The profligate tax cuts to the very, very wealthy that John wants to continue. What’s caused this is the failure to have regulation so that, in fact — John talks about these CEOs getting these big bailout packages. Well, why didn’t he support the legislation we have been proposing that says that if you’re going to declare bankruptcy, you’ve got to throw the CEO in the mix as well as everybody else? Why didn’t he support the proposals that we have to allow in bankruptcy a federal bankruptcy judge to renegotiate the principal of your mortgage? Why didn’t he do something to help the middle-class people who are hurting very badly? Is their government and it’s this government’s policies that have caused them to get in great trouble.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/biden_on_aig_bailout_no.html
But Wednesday, at a campaign stop in Mansfield, 0hio, after the Fed’s $85 billion AIG bailout, Biden sounded a less emphatic tune.
“The truth is, I don’t know what the bailout is yet,” he said. “And it looks like they’re lending ‘em a little bit of money. I don’t know what they’ve done. I haven’t had a brief on it.”
Biden added that he planned to speak soon to Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson.
“Let’s be really clear. The only disagreement on this issue is between John McCain and John McCain,” said Biden spokesman David Wade. “One day, he’s Gordon Gecko, and the next day, he’s Teddy Roosevelt. Joe Biden made it clear that nobody likes bailouts, and we should never have been put in this deep hole as a country. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to be asked to clean up another mess. But here we are.
“Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden agree that whatever happens, the Fed needs to make sure it protects the families that count on insurance, bolsters our ability to create good-paying jobs, and helps working Americans pay their bills and save their money. The answer isn’t to bail out the shareholders or management of AIG. It’s John McCain’s economic philosophy he once boasted about that got us deep into this mess, and that choice between philosophies is on the ballot this November.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-bails-on.html
Obviously this entire post is an outrageous liberal lie, and it can be safely ignored.
P.S. Rumor has it that Governor Palin can see a bank from her house.
“McCain actually uses technology, including the internet, quite a bit.
McCain simply has his wife, or someone else, use the key board on his behalf.”
That’s quite a stretch, Paul. Auditioning for the next sequel to “Fantastic Four”?
“McCain is as savvy as anyone else in Congress, if not more so. McCain’s committee and subcommittee assignments, alone, put him in a position to be on top of these issues.”
You’ve never had personal experience with McCain in one of those “committee assignments”. He’s on top, underneath, back, forth, cattywompus… wherever the cable industry tells him to be.
Creating
Hope
Against
Negative
Growth
Economy!
It’s pretty damn funny watching these people try to repackage Joe Biden as this, that, and the other thing.
Joe Biden has his faults: he’s verbose, he’s opinionated, he’s fatally spontaneous, sometimes saying dumb things in the process.
He’s also, to anyone who’s followed South Africa policy or the 1988 presidential race or the Bork hearings or the Sunday morning news-blather shows, a completely known quantity.
It says something not-so-good about those who want to cast him as “yes-man” or some other hilarious guess.
I don’t know. Biden in many ways is part of the established ruling class. He comes across as old school and part of the entrenched power holders.
I really really wish Obama had picked Hillary. I suspect right now we’d be talking about events and new legislation, instead of discussing Biden’s screw-ups and disagreements.
If Biden’s speech on Foreign Relations today is any indication of what Palin is in for in the debate, she’d best call in sick that day.
I really really wish Obama had picked Hillary. I suspect right now we’d be talking about events and new legislation, instead of discussing Biden’s screw-ups and disagreements.
You obviously have greater faith in the intelligence of political debate than I do.
There is no question that we would be focused on some trivial this or that, possibly even the same sort of thing, since Hillary also has a mind of her own.
Why didn’t he [McCain] support the proposals that we have to allow in bankruptcy a federal bankruptcy judge to renegotiate the principal of your mortgage?
-Joe Biden
Yeah, just declare bankruptcy and Ole’ Joe wants to force the lenders to re-negotiate your mortgage. Say bye bye to the mortgage industry with this idea.
This idea, that everybody deserves a home, and those that can’t afford one can renegotiate their mortgage to a lower principal is the very philosophy that started this problem to begin with.
Democrats blaiming this on De-regulation are blind to see the root problems of how so many people got homes they could not afford. When Fannie Mae is implicitly backed by the government, loans by Fannie Mae will be as a result more risky.
Clinton started this practice and Bush continued it. Both are to blame, only Bush is the last one to be standing when the music has stopped.
OMG, RFL is wrong on so many counts it would take an entire blog to correct him. But here’s a start.
Fannie Mae does not MAKE loans. It BUYS loans on the secondary market. Jesus WEPT! Are you really that dumb?
I guess so. Because Fannie Mae has been doing business since… wait for it…1968. Clinton was still in COLLEGE when it was created.
But please, feel free to blame Bill. It lends so much credibility to your posts…
And to make matters worse, you are not only wrong, you are insane.
“This idea, that everybody deserves a home, and those that can’t afford one can renegotiate their mortgage to a lower principal is the very philosophy that started this problem to begin with.”
Uh, it’s mcmansions and higher end home loans causing the problem, not “homes for everyone”.
Now if you want to say the republican philosophy is that EVERYONE deserves a mcmansion, you might be closer to the truth.
Somehow, though, I dont think you and the truth have EVER been close.
Biden gave a major Foreign Relations speech today, and all you bloggers can talk about is some little insignificant gaffe last week.
Guess that’s just palin campaign strategy. She has nothing, so try to reduce the level of discourse to nothing.
This is just TOOO HILARIOUS to pass up. From CNN.com:
“DEWEY BEACH, Delaware (CNN) — Although Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden routinely mocks his Republican counterpart, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, for her onetime support of the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere,” Biden and his running mate voted to keep the project alive twice.”
Not once…but TWICE! Don’t you just love the hypcrites? Can’t wait to see the dem SPIN on this one. V
typo: Hypocrites.
Raptor
More to the point: a member of Congress actually has LESS power, to kill a project such as a bridge or other “earmark” than does a Governor.
Earmarks do not increase or decrease Federal Highway Fund distributions to the States.
Earmarks simply mandate how to spend that money.
Even when the “earmark” was reduced, drastically, Palin could STILL have built the bridge, if she wanted to.
Palin decided that there were better places to spend Federal Highway Funds.
Most Democrats, on this Blog and in the Media, do not know what the heck an “earmark” is, so they do not understand us when we say:
“Palin killed the Bridge to Nowhere”!
She most certainly DID!
more to the point, FEDERAL funds could have been used, for the bridge, even AFTER Congress reduced the Earmark!
States can spend “un earmarked” funds any way they want, as long as it is on transportation issues.
Here’s an article on Biden’s speech today, doesn’t list the numerious assaults against mcbush, as his speech did.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/biden_7
Got to give Palin her dues she didn’t spend the bridge money to build half a bridge, or use state’s money to build the other half, to serve 50 people on an island, bridge would’ve been comparable to Golden Gate bridge. Damn Genius, she is!
So Thanks for the money Sen. Stevens, but no thanks to the bridge.
The bridge stuff is stale, I think palin’s even slacked off on it, but we might here it again during her debate with biden of Foreign Affairs.
The bridge stuff is ’stale’? Why is that? Because it was just recently uncovered by CNN that both Biden AND Obama voted for it…not once but TWICE? As such, now it is ’stale’?
What, was it only ‘fresh’ when it was more fun to attack Palin about it? But when the tables are turned, then it is no longer newsworthy?
“Here’s an article on Biden’s speech today, doesn’t list the numerious assaults against mcbush, as his speech did.”
I wish I cared. Biden isn’t the top of the ticket. And He and Obama disagree about many things. Just so you know, I could care less about Palin either. BFD.
Phantom
From your post, above, you still do not seem to understand the “earmark” issue.
Palin’s Alaska got just as much money, before and after the bridge “earmark” was passed and then retracted.
Palin could have used Federal Funds for 100% of the Bridge, had she wanted to.
Instead, Palin said NO to the bridge, which actually forfeited any portion of the Federal funding that was mandated, or “earmarked” for the bridge project.
In other words, Palin killed the bridge.
Palin said NO to the bridge, which actually forfeited any portion of the Federal funding that was mandated
No Paul – she was allowed to shift it to other pork.
And the road to nowhere lives on …
“KETCHIKAN, Alaska (CNN) — The “Bridge to Nowhere” may have been shelved. But the “Road to Nowhere” is alive and well.
But the three-mile access road that was built on the island is ready for residents to take a drive to nowhere. It was paid for by some of the $223 million in federal funding that sparked ridicule among opponents of congressional “pork-barrel” spending.”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/palin.road.to.nowhere/?iref=hpmostpop
Stevens still got the pork, Alaska just got to decide how to cook it after the earmark was removed for the two bridges.
“They also decided to ax $229 million for a bridge between Anchorage and the sparsely populated Knik area of Alaska. That span has been named “Don Young’s Way” after Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, who, as chairman of the House Transportation Committee, has helped send federal dollars to the bridge.
Under a compromise transportation spending bill, Alaska would still get the federal dollars — but the money would not be specifically designated for the two bridges. As a result, Alaskan lawmakers and other officials would decide where to spend the money — and they could opt to fund other transportation projects