Update Kansas’ cockfighting ban

As Mary Prewitt, the state director of the Humane Society of the United States, argued in a commentary on the Opinion pages last week, it’s a problem that cockfighting is a misdemeanor in Kansas and a felony in neighboring states. As evidence that Kansas is now the “jurisdiction of choice” for cockfighters, Prewitt cited the recent cockfighting bust in northeast Sedgwick County, which led to 12 arrests. The current ban was viewed as the best the Legislature could get in 2002, when one lawmaker referred to cockfight ringleaders as “some misguided guys who want to kill a chicken on Sunday afternoon”; lawmakers need to take another look at the law. Sedgwick County Commissioner Kelly Parks also was right to urge residents to report such activity: “If you see a pickup full of roosters going kind of slow down your township road, they’re not going to Colonel Sanders.”

33 Comments

  1. JWink
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Does anyone else see possibility here for the new downtown white elephant arena. Cock fighting might give the arena a viable activity that could produce some quick cash to offset the huge tax liability for future operational expenses.

    As they say, build it and they will come. And some people ask, what’s the matter with Kansas?

  2. TomPaine
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    So killing chickens is wrong the Owners of KFC are surely going to hell.

  3. Political_mama
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Torturing chickens is wrong. Making any animal fight like this is wrong.

    And I really hate Roosters. They used to chase me as a kid and I still think this is horrible. I think cockfighters should be put in a ring and forced to fight to the death- perhaps if we made that penalty- we’d see a lot less cockfighting.

  4. Posted August 31, 2008 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Why cockfighting? Why not just have backyard wrestling? Perhaps because the cocks would be smaller.

  5. beber
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    There’s nothing wrong with cockfighting. It’s been done for thousands of years. The chickens fight because that’s what they’ve been bred to do and that’s what they do in nature. This hysteria comes from a society which has hundreds of millions of birds today in tiny cages, and feeds more every year on chicken. If you collected the chicken bones left behind each of us, they’d fill your house. The chickens in chicken fights don’t suffer that much. They’re chickens. They have brains the size of peas.

    Another example of uberbullshit in out society and a sneaky way to descriminate against Hispanics. Horse racing, boxing, dog racing, and football are just as cruel.

    Here are the lyrics of the best chicken fighting song ever.

    Gallo del cielo: Joy Ely and Tom Russell sing it, anong others. If you haven’t heard it, you should. It’s a magnificent song.

    Carlos Saragosa left his home in Casas Grandes when the moon was full
    He had no money in his pocket, just a locket of his sister framed in Gold
    He headed for el Sueco, stole a rooster named Gallo Del Cielo
    Then he crossed the Rio Grande with that roosted nestled deep within his arm

    Galllo del Cielo was a warrior born in heaven so the legends say
    His wings they had been broken, he had one eye rollin crazy in his head
    He’d fought a hundred fights and the legends say that one night near El Sueco
    He fought Cielo seven times, seven times he left brave roosters dead

    Hola my Teresa I’m thinkin of you now in San Antonio
    I have 27 dollars and the good luck of your good luck of your picture framed in gold
    Tonight I’ll put it all on the fighting spurs of Gallo Del Cielo
    Then I’ll return to buy the land Pancho Villa stole from father long ago

    Outside of San Diego in the Onion fields of Paco Monte Verde
    The Pride of San Diego lay sleeping on a fancy bed of silk
    Adn they laughed when Saragosa pulled the one-eyed Del Cielo from beneath his shirt
    But they cried when Saragosa waked away with a thousand dollar bill

    Hola my Teresa I’m thinkin of you now in Santa Barbara
    I have 27 dollars and the good luck of your good luck of your picture framed in gold
    Tonight I’ll put it all on the fighting spurs of Gallo Del Cielo
    Then I’ll return to buy the land Pancho Villa stole from father long ago

    Now the moon has gone to hiding and the lantern light spills shadows on the fighting sand
    A wicked black named Zorro faces Del Cielo in the sand
    And Carlos Saragosa fears the tiny crack that runs across his roosters beak
    And he fears that he has lost the 50,000 dollars riding on the fight

    Hola my Teresa I’m thinkin of you now in Santa Clara
    The money’s on the table, I’m holding now your good luck framed in gold
    Everything we dream of is riding on the spurs of Del Cielo
    Then I’ll return to buy the land Pancho Villa stole from father long ago

    The signal it was given and the roosters rose together far above the sand
    Gallo Del Cielo sunk a gaff into Zorro’s shiny breast
    They were separated quickly but they rose and fought each other time and time again
    And the legends all agreed that Gallo Del Cielo fought the best

    But then the screams of Saragosa filled the night outside the town of Santa Clara
    As the beak of Del Cielo lay broken like a shell within his hand
    And they say that Saragosa screamed a curse upon the bones of Pancho Villa
    As Zorro rose up one more time and drove Del Cielo in the sand

    Hola my Teresa I’m thinkin of you now in San Francisco
    I have no money in my pocket I no longer have your good luck framed in gold
    I buried it last evening with the bones of my beloved Del Cielo
    I will not return to buy the land that Villa stole long ago

    Do the rivers still run muddy outside of my beloved Casas Grandes?
    Does the scar upon my brother’s face turn red when he hears mention of my name?
    And do the people of El Sueco still curse the theft of Gallo Del Cielo?
    Tell my family not to worry, I will not return to cause them shame.

  6. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    It is a primitive blood sport. But humans are a breed of primitive blood sports fans. And there’s nothing quite as good as a cold beer and a bucket from the Colonel as you’re watching stock cars crash and flip and burn.

  7. Raptor
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Nothing wrong with cockfighting? Uh…it is against the law, that should say there is something wrong with it. Regardless of background, culture, or anything else..the law of THIS country says it is illegal.

  8. Political_mama
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Beber also thinks there is nothing wrong to lust after pre-pubescent girls either. So consider the source.

  9. Posted August 31, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Whats this? Dissension in the ranks. A lefty attacking a fellow lefty. Thats pretty ironic just like a newspaper that is full square behind George Tiller and unlimited abortion on demand having a hissy fit over an inadequate cockfighting ban.
    I think it is a matter of choice. Just like a woman has a right to choose whether to murder her baby or not, Kansans should have a right to choose whether to go to cock fights or not. After all this is a private decision between a man/woman, his/her rooster, and their God. Government has no business telling someone what they should do with their rooster. Do we really want to return to those awful days of back alley cockfighting? People are going to fight roosters regardless of what the law says. Lets keep cockfighting safe, legal and rare.

  10. Posted August 31, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Make it a felony and put the offenders names and addresses online as with child molesters.

    I worked with a guy who was into this. He was one despicable piece of trash. He used to kick his dog so that “If somebody comes ’round muh place my mean dog’l git ‘im.”

  11. KSGolfnut
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Maybe we should do the same for pot smokers. Make it a felony and post their names with the hookers and child molesters.

    Think that’ll stop ‘em?

  12. beber
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    And P.M. thinks it quite all right to have had sex at 14 with an older man, as she has admitted, but god help him if he had any lust.

  13. beber
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    You might ask around in Rawlins County about cockfighting.

  14. beber
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    I suppose it was only oral sex, though, so I apologize.

  15. nunya123
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    But beber, isn’t cockfighting like playing with your food?

  16. Political_mama
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    18 and 14 is a whole lot different than 60ish and 14.

    There is a reason why girls go YUCK when older men are around. Yes, they say ‘yuck’ to you.

  17. beber
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    No they don’t p.m.; they yell “hey grandpa” at me. It’s because I let them pet my puppy.

  18. HLP
    Posted August 31, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been to a lot of cock fights on Guam, you can win or lose a lot of money fast. The chickens don’t always die.

    Nothing like drinking San Miguel beer and winning a couple of grand at a cock fight.

    My buddy Herbie Lowell and I went to one illegal fight in Hawaii. Very professional setup, much like Guam. It was raided. They hauled about 150 of us downtown, booked us and made us all pay a $50 fine.

    The next day in the Sunday Paper they had all our names, . . . Martinez, Melendes, Menendez, Lowell . . . Price, Rodriquez,

  19. Posted August 31, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    “I’ve been to a lot of cock fights on Guam…”

    Yes Hank, I am not surprised by this.

    A “man” who has as his hobby using a dog to frighten goats is just the sort of scum who I would expect to find enjoying vicarious blood sport.

  20. mrbill
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    How about using the Greyhound track facility for both Cockfighting and cheerleader humping.

    These both should keep the parking lots full. Its been awhile since Ive twirled a cheerleader. Or eat a chicken.

  21. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    But, “mrbill” –

    How long has it been since you’ve twirled a chicken and ate a cheerleader?

  22. HLP
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    A “man” who has as his hobby using a dog to frighten goats is just the sort of scum who I would expect to find enjoying vicarious blood sport.

    Not just goats; ducks, sheep and cattle too. However, if my dog and I are working at a level to win some of the herding trials I’ve won, you don’t ‘frighten’ the stock. Maybe make it nervous, but not frighten it.

    I’ll just put sheep herding trials with the many other subjects you’ll never be smart enough to have an intelligent conversation about.

    nitwit

  23. HLP
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Plus, it’s not illegal in Guam to have cock fights, part of the culture. I suppose if you had ever had any experiences outside of your little home town or even smaller mind you might be able to discuss different cultures with a more open mind.

    Cultural diversity, isn’t that what you liberals believe in?

  24. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    Oh hell, “HLP” –

    A day or two ago you bragged that you had the dog “boy” over to clip the wings of ducks you train your critters to torment.

    If the dogs were as effective as you assert, the ducks wouldn’t consider flying away, would they?

  25. Freebird1971
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    Hank,
    Hope you are having a good weekend. Sorry about lunch this weekend but had to work. What does Wed. look like for you?

  26. HLP
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    What does Wed. look like for you?

    Thursday is the only day free next week.

  27. HLP
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    “If the dogs were as effective as you assert, the ducks wouldn’t consider flying away, would they?”

    We’re training Joe, you lose a duck now and then.

  28. Freebird1971
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Ok that’s the only day of the week I have to go in early,well there is always next week

  29. HLP
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    Working on dogs this weekend, Freebird. Getting the puppy ready for her first show in Salina next week. Teaching her to free stack and walk on a show lead.

    We’ve been taking her for a walk around the neighborhood twice a day, morning and evening. She’s really doing good!

    Both the boys, Boo and Samson are a mess. I’ve got a big trial coming up the end of next month and I’ve been training more than grooming. Finally got Samson ready to bathe today, I’ll work on Boo tomorrow.

    First thing tomorrow morning I have all the sheep to worm, that’ll be fun.

  30. Posted September 1, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Cock fighting as “cultural experience”? Telling.

    I don’t have to go to Guam for that. A Republican/Klan rally would likely get me in touch with some slack jaw who could get me ring side seats.

  31. beber
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Last year the world killed and ate 44 billion chickens so I would suggest that concern over a few chickens killed in cockfights is irrational.

  32. mrbill
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Yes, and Ive ate a lot of cheerleaders….and never killed a one.

    Why ruin something that good…..heh

  33. HLP
    Posted September 1, 2008 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know BlueJay, ringside seats are tough to get. If you really want to go to one that Mexican rodeo on N Broadway would be the place to start.

    You’re liable to get hurt at a Klan rally.