It scares me and probably should any American worker that he has that opinion.

They have no understanding of basic human nature.

Learn to think for yourself and not rely on the limited intellect of a labor union.

Hmmm. Tough call.

“my son a firefighter and emt out there crossed the picket line,the reason for doing so was to protect life and property.”

In a strike, people are likely to get hurt when they are forced from office jobs into production jobs they know nothing about.

As to protecting property, I see no obligation. The firefighter is paid to protect company property. In a strike, that obligation is negated.

I’d have to leave that up to the judgment of the firefighter/union member and hope that they were not using their position as an excuse to cross the strike. To such a person I would say, “To thine ownself be true.”

GMC? You are a con and do not get it and moreover do not want to.

I often defended people who would NOT join the union. But they were shop personell and mostly I did as much or more for them then I did for a dues paying member.

I am really sorry for you that you cannot see that there are people who see the world a little bigger than their own self interest.

I thought it was us liberals were supposed to be the cynics.

I ASKED for a thread like this. I have tried to keep it from degenerating. Even against my own self interest when personally attacked. I post here to speak for a union I WAS a part of.

What part of all of this do you not get?

I do agree, but, isn’t that the premise of “What’s the matter with Kansas”?
He contends people don’t do that. When I was dead, flat broke, I still voted Repub. I knew/hoped I wouldn’t always be that way and maybe I was thinking about the “fairness” of it all.

Why you go to such lengths to deny the obvious is beyond me: people generally act in what they believe is their self-interest. Perhaps you need to see yourself as something more than just an individual seeking his own way. You get satisfaction from that, and more power to you. But it is your own interest you serve in doing so. In the process you serve others, as well, of course. Such is the beauty of the “invisible hand” Smith described.

Some of the key issues in this strike give lie to your premise that each striker is just a self interested individual.

Indeed the whole idea of collective bargaining is that there is safety in numbers and people looking out for each other.

Key issues in this contract are diminished rights for junior workers and compensation for retired workers. Two very disparate groups acting with solidarity in each others interests. Another key issue is the attack on two job codes.

There are dozens of job codes. If you were right that theses workers are all selfishly motivated, the entire union would not be standing up for the limited number of people in two job codes. But they know that if the company can screw over some they can ultimately give the shaft to everyone.

And me? All the nights I spent up writing grievances WERE personally fulfilling. But that’s the limit of anything I selfishly got out of them.

I can report that morale on the picket line is high. Scabs are few and their pictures adorn a “wall of shame”.

““A strike is always a gamble; the question is do workers gain enough to offset their losses, and what do they risk in the long run. The risks are huge, the benefits tenuous.”

V.

““It’s about self-interest. I simply recognize that.””

I guess the ” defense” rested a bit soon, huh?

*shock*

I invite you to stand next to a striker and offer your one finger salute.

Drive by insults say more about you than those you offer them to.

More of Juniors (lack of) intellect on display.

and your butt crack and your nose?

You found a finger free goofnut?

Let me show you where you are at odds…with yourself.

“A strike is always a gamble; the question is do workers gain enough to offset their losses, and what do they risk in the long run. The risks are huge, the benefits tenuous.”

V.

“It’s about self-interest. I simply recognize that.”

Defense rests.

Folks? Drive by these striking workers. Honk a horn or take them some cold drinks.

I believe I have posted as to that and provided examples. The union vote would tend to affirm this as well.

“It’s also a risk for management.”

Not really. Not locally anyway. That is part of the problem.

LOL,

For a professional ‘educator’ you sure seem to have a lot of problems with reading and writing!

Notice the statement,

“I’ve belonged to a union as recently as two years ago.”

It had to do with some work in California I was scheduled to do until the company ran out of money. It had nothing to do with the Machinists Union or Wichita.

Right to work state? I’ve got nothing against unions in general. I will join one when it is in my self interest to do so.

The NEA, on the other hand is communist, Marxist organization that has nothing to do with working for teachers and education and everything to do with advancing their left-wing socialist agenda. They have become so involved with socialist politics that you can no longer tell if they support the DNC or if the DNC belongs to them.

So, pull your strings. I’m going nighty-bye.

It’s also a risk for management. They have contract commitments to meet, orders to fill. A silent plant loses money. And management usually is in large part to blame for strikes; as I’ve noted before, the best union organizer in the world is bad management.

Whether it is a gamble that pays off remains to be seen. But despite the “worker of the world, unite!” rhetoric, it is at base about leveraging more dollars. It’s about self-interest. I simply recognize that.