John McCain leads Barack Obama by 14 percentage points among hunters and fishermen, according to a Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation poll released last week. Though the lead is sizable, it is about half the 27-point edge poll respondents gave George W. Bush over John Kerry four years ago.
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Deployed soldiers give more to Obama than McCain by a 6:1 ratio. Younger voters favor Obama, and the majority of Americans know bush’s war of choice should never have been waged and needs to end sooner rather than later.
Sportsmen like their guns but fewer are willing to trust someone like McCain who will continue bush’s war of choice and start one or more of his own too!
bomb bomb bomb Iran McCain — a mad man who still lives in a long-ago war and wants a redo.
I’ll bet he doesn’t lead with fly fishermen. I wonder where he sits with cane pole fishermen? You know he’s number one at a bass master tournement, and with noodlers.
The article mentions that Bush is a rancher. Since when did Bush have a ranch? He has an estate which he bought prior to the 2000 election and plans to ditch when his term is over. As far as I know he raises brush on his estate. A ranch would imply that he raises some sort of livestock like Al Gore does on his family farm.
So McSame uses Christmas as a campaign ploy, and lies in the middle of it at the same time.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/mccains-cross-i.html
Remember when Hillary was crucified for remembering events wrong? Well, its McSame’s turn
Oh, good grief. And this matters why?
As for Dubya and the Crawford ranch, I have a friend who lives in Waco (Wacky Waco, as we call it), not all that far from the ranch, and the people of Crawford are not Bush fans. His stories of having coffee with the natives there are greatly exaggerated. Dubya and Barbara have been looking for a place in Dallas for well over a year. Not sure Dallas wants him either…
Dallas, huh? I always figured his friends the Saudis had a nice place ready for him. Maybe Dallas is where Laura plans to live when she no longer has to pretend…
Actually this is very bad news for Obama. If Obama were tied in the polls and the pro-hunting groups were “maxed out” in their support for McCain, things would be different — Instead —
It says, clearly, that the NRA and the pro-gun and pro-hunting groups can INCREASE their numbers.
Many good, blue collar working people really do want to vote for a Democrat, and they are waiting for one that is somewhere to the right of Karl Marx, so that they can vote Democrat.
One of the issues that many of those Democrat and Independent voters look to is gun rights.
They have not been informed, just yet. They will be very soon.
What sportsmen ? texas holds em !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ahhahahhahahahaha
lindainks55
Posted August 18, 2008 at 7:14 am | Permalink
Deployed soldiers give more to Obama than McCain by a 6:1 ratio.
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Voters who have served in the U.S. military favor John McCain over Barack Obama by a 56% to 37% margin.
This data, from a Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, is based upon interviews with 3,000 Likely Voters, including 588 voters who have served in the military. Voters with no military service favor Obama 50% to 43%.
Troops Deployed Abroad Give Money 6:1 To Barack Obama
From Open Secrets:
“A former West Point professor, Jason Dempsey, noted that the small set of contributions from deployed troops at this point in 2008 — just 323 donations — should not be extrapolated to form conclusions about military personnel overall. “If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says [his tour has been extended] from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger,” he said. “Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately.”"
So is what this professor alluding to a suggestion that this poll was taken on one specific day targeting only individuals who’s service was extended? Very sneaky!
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323 donations over a very short time period are what the Osama Obama supporters are so excited about. Hello? Earth to Obama fans, come back to reality!
“Voters who have served in the U.S. military favor John McCain over Barack Obama by a 56% to 37% margin.” — Regular
Yet you counter with 588 voters surveyed no doubt on a single day, and fail to mention that the majority of those who served previously in the military may be old white men who served in WWII or Korea. Conservatism is a movement of hardened arteries, and always has been. Fox News and Limbaugh ratings prove that.
The small number of troops who actually contributed is probably not a measure of troop sentiments, but at least six times as many so far are putting their money on Obama. Your points are pathetic as usual.
We shall see! Soon! About 78 days until we get to cast our votes. And then this MOST important date.
Only
5 months, 4 days, 22 hours, 35 minutes
until we are rid of bush! A day for a triumphant flush and great celebration!
Mccain Doesn’t exactly have a stellar pro gun record
Actually, if you do your research, you will find that all the services vote predominately Republican. The military service has a long memory on who screwed them on pay raises, supply and equipment cuts (Carter and Clinton.)
Based on my limited experience as a hunter we are more impacted by lack of good habitat and populations issues than by gun regulations. Last time I was out looking for Bambi nobody bothered me about my 30-30 but Bambi sure was hiding well.
Actually I found out later that all the deer had gone into the suburbs and ate our gardens while we were out in the country. ;)
In choice we desire to win, but we have accepted that we will lose. They immediately start the 2000 election with some sort of getting back what they lost. Al Gore in the 2000 election occur every year.
The conclusion I draw, is that contributions from former vets to mcccain being greater would have more to do with former vets (without any skin in the game) do not support current vets’ sentiment. Moreover, it would be very interesting to know how many of the former vets were actually veterans of foreign wars, and not a bunch of gung ho REMFs.
Perhaps you should look up how they do cross sectional data. 3000, is a higher number than what is usually used, so it would be far more accurate.
Still McSame using Christmas and a lied about story during his POW days should insult Christians everywhere. But no, they don’t care if he lies, but heaven help it if Hillary makes an error.
Apparently McSame also said that Abba inspired him during his POW days. Do the math on that one.
Dang, I meant Laura, not Barbara and knew it was wrong when I typed it.
It’s going to be one of those days, for sure…
And I can tell you right now that active duty will more than likely not be voting their usual republican ticket this year when it comes to prez. They won’t talk about it, they won’t campaign, but they will vote…for Obama.
The NRA is expected to spend somewhere around 40 million on the election, so lets hope as they target the battleground states they are able to change a few more minds to support McCain.
The NRA is a joke, Gun Owners of America are the ones that don’t bow out.
Why would the NRA support McCain when Bob Barr is the better Gun rights candidate?
TomPaine
Posted August 18, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink
Why would the NRA support McCain when Bob Barr is the better Gun rights candidate?
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Duh.
Because Barr hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of winning. Anywhere. Even should the sun fall our of the sky locusts run rampage across the countryside. Thankfully.
Neither does McKinney (thank God), nor Nader (again, thank God).
Either McCain or Obama will be President come January. Those are your choices. The NRA deals with reality.
Typical.
The NRA “deals with reality”, selling their members out. Just like the fools who “choose the lesser evil”, still choosing evil.
Typical.
By NEIL KING JR.
April 23, 2007
WASHINGTON — Republican Sen. John McCain and Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton have at least one thing in common on the foreign-policy front. His name is Gen. James Jones.
Gen. Jones is a freshly retired Marine Corps general who stands 6-foot-5, speaks fluent French and served until December as supreme allied commander in Europe. He says he thinks that the troops should stay in Iraq but that the U.S. should close the Guantanamo military prison “tomorrow.” He advocates engagement with friends and enemies alike. And, more to the point, he pledges allegiance to no political party.
All of which has made Gen. Jones one of Washington’s hottest political commodities. As they look toward an election sure to be dominated by issues of war and national security, candidates from both major parties are clamoring to get Gen. Jones on their side.
New York’s Sen. Clinton has told some advisers that if she is elected she could imagine putting Gen. Jones in her cabinet, possibly as defense secretary, these advisers say. Her campaign says such talk “is way premature,” but in a statement, Sen. Clinton says she has enjoyed her “many conversations about military and diplomatic issues” with Gen. Jones. “I am confident he has much to contribute to our nation in the years to come,” she said.
Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, another top Democratic contender, consults regularly with Gen. Jones on foreign-policy issues and “thinks the world of him,” according to one Obama aide.
Gen. Jones, a slow-talking native of Kansas City, Mo., is also close to some top-flight Republicans. Arizona’s Sen. McCain, another presidential contender, recently described Gen. Jones as one of his “closest and longtime friends” and predicted he would play an important role in any future McCain administration.
“He’s like [Gen. Dwight D.] Eisenhower, who belonged to no camp and everyone wanted him,” says Democratic House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who considers Gen. Jones “one of our country’s most important assets” and has been urging him to become a Democrat. Rep. Ellen Tauscher of California, who heads the centrist New Democrat Coalition and has known Gen. Jones for 10 years, calls him “the biggest ‘get’ out there” — so big, she says, that she has been wary of pushing too strongly on him becoming a Democrat for fear he’ll say no.
Kansas Republican Sen. Pat Roberts, also a former Marine, calls Gen. Jones “a national treasure” and says he would like to see him run for higher office. “Jim is a rare political commodity these days,” says Sen. Roberts, adding that he assumed Gen. Jones is a Republican. “With the Democrats trying to woo him, we owe it to ourselves to say, ‘Please, stay home. You belong with us.’ ”
Gen. Jones has become the ultimate catch for either party because he so well captures the current political zeitgeist on security and America’s image abroad. He’s a worldly, tough-minded former Marine commandant who has criticized former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s handling of the Iraq war, saying that the U.S. failed to prepare “for the day after Saddam’s statue fell down.” At the same time he advocates a sharply more centrist foreign policy than the Bush administration’s, asserting that America’s image has suffered in recent years, and must be repaired.
“I am for proactive engagement,” he says in an interview in his office at U.S. Chamber of Commerce, where he is running the group’s new Energy Institute. “I am for capitalizing on the fact that the United States has a history of benevolent leadership and engagement, and I want to be around to see those times develop again.”
But he also has some pointed advice to Democrats when it comes to President Bush’s “surge” of troops in Iraq: “Understand the fact that regardless how you got there, there is a strategic price of enormous consequence for failure in Iraq,” he says. “Too much of the discussion is way too tactical. Everyone wants to be a squad leader.” As chief of NATO and the U.S. European command, Gen. Jones was deeply engaged in Afghanistan but had little to do with Iraq policy.
Despite his size — he played basketball for Georgetown — Gen. Jones leans toward the laconic, even the mellow, particularly for a Marine. His friends jokingly call him “the intellectual Marine.” He grew up largely in Paris, the son of an International Harvester executive. He graduated from Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service, and then joined the Marine Corps — continuing an unbroken chain of Jones family Marines going back to 1939. His son, Marine Capt. Greg Jones, just completed two tours in Iraq.
In 1979, Gen. Jones became a Marine liaison to the Senate, where his first boss was Sen. McCain, at the time a Navy captain. Witnessing the Republican takeover of the Senate in 1981, for the first time in decades, “taught me a lesson in bipartisanship,” he says.
Gen. Jones says he is an independent but declines to say for whom he voted in recent presidential elections. “I don’t think any particular party owns the issue of national security,” he says.
His reputation as a straight shooter helped land him a plum job in the Clinton administration as a senior military assistant to Defense Secretary William Cohen, who then appointed him commandant of the Marine Corps. In 2003 he became the commander of U.S. European forces as well as the military head of NATO, the first time a Marine general had held the post.
The Bush administration scrambled to keep Gen. Jones when he suggested he was ready to leave last year. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sat down with him twice last fall to try to persuade him to be her deputy, an offer he declined. “I was very honored to be considered, and we had a wonderful discussion,” he says. Mr. Rumsfeld tried to persuade him to take over as head of the Central Command, in charge of the Middle East. He turned down both offers, he says, because he had decided he wanted to leave government and travel less.
Ensconced now at the Chamber of Commerce, a block from the White House, Gen. Jones makes no secret that he wants to return to government — after the 2008 election. But for whom, or where, he won’t say.
“I’ve been advised by some very close friends that it’s time to show your colors,” he says. “Some people say, look, if you’re going to survive in this town you have to decide what you are. You are either a Democratic or a Republican. But I don’t agree with that.”
One such friend is Fred Graefe, a top Democratic lobbyist who met Mr. Jones when both were young Marines. “Jim’s basically a Blue Dog Democrat,” he says. “He’s fiscally conservative, socially liberal, and strong on defense.”
Sen. Roberts disagrees, saying he’s “pretty sure Jim’s a Republican.” But Sen. Roberts is advising Gen. Jones to stay tight-lipped, at least for now. “If you declare,” Sen. Roberts says, “you lose half your following right off the bat.”
Pleefer,
What good would it do the NRA or gun rights to support a candidate who has no chance of winning which would virtually ensure that Obama would win?
I think you are missing the forest through the trees.
Ummm…Who the H is the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation?
What a bunch of Democrap.