Coach Bill Self’s new contract with the University of Kansas — $30 million over 10 years — is nothing short of jaw-dropping.
I know the arguments: Sports programs pull in millions of dollars for the university. The coach’s salary is partly paid with private money, endorsements, etc. And Self delivered a national championship last year for KU — itself worth millions of dollars for the school. The university wants to keep him.
All the same — the idea of college basketball coaches making CEO salaries strikes me as ridiculous. Especially when heads of medical schools, top professors and other faculty make far less.
Where does it stop? Anybody else think our higher education priorities are out of whack?
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Bread and Circuses.
I’d rather our future be full of educated people, that money could be better used for that. But no, we’ll just pay him more so’s we can have more stupid people that follow B-ball instead of anything that resembles important. They can’t tell you their representatives name, but they can lay down any shot percentage you ask for. Retarded.
I agree wholeheartedly. THEY ARE GAMES FOLKS. I’m thrilled that there are opportunities for some who would prefer to use their bodies rather than their minds, but COME ON. Everyone has individual talents, but I agree that it is ridiculous that something I consider so trivial to life gets paid as much as it does.
It just makes me sick. There are kids dying in hospital beds while parents go broke trying to make them well. And the same people who support this would be the same people who can look at that family and say something like they shoudln’t have taken out a risky mortgage if they’re about to lose their home.
It’s good to know that students finish college with tens of thousands of student loan debt but colleges can fork over $30 million dollars for a guy to coach kids on how to throw a ball through a hoop. Those are certainly practical skills we need to invest in.
They’re certainly not paying Self for his success rate at WSU. Potential success rate perhaps.
But one has to ask themselves, does the 30 million invested bring back more than 30 million in dividends?
I would find the numbers interesting. Perhaps a WSU economist can crunch the numbers and find him/herself a pay raise. :D
Losers.
This seems to support my long held belief that any sports past high school exists solely for the money.
I believe I read a quote from an interview about his new contract where Coach Self said that coaches aren’t worth the money they are paid.
But he took it anyway.
It’s a pretty free market. He is being paid what he is worth.
This kind of post confuses social worth with economic worth. They are not the same thing.
Colleges want winning sports programs. They want them because they are recruiting tools for the rest of the school; students want to come to a college with a winning tradition, alumni will open checkbooks, licensing of logos, etc. Winning traditions generates lots of dollars.
Winning coaches are in short supply; coaches of Self’s caliber, relative to the demand for same (from other schools who want that skill), are in very short supply.
It’s not hard to see the result. Salaries explode.
It’s the same reason some 22 year old kid who thows a 95+ fast ball with late action gets millions. There are very few who can do that, and lots of teams who want him. It’s not “fair,” but it reflects the relative supply of, and demand for, that extremely rare skill.
Does that mean a pitcher has more value than, say, a nurse? In social terms, no. But economics does not reflect social worth, and it’s not “fair.” It reflects relative supply of, and demand for, a particular skill or product.
“Colleges want winning sports programs. They want them because they are recruiting tools for the rest of the school” — GMC
How many national basketball championships has MIT won?
GMC70,
You are confusing the liberals. Stop it. Demand? Supply? Economical Worth vs Social Worth?
What were you thinking?
Baby steps man, baby steps.
What should Bill Selfs salary be?
Why?
Aren’t most sports a finical drain upon schools?
And if sports are such money making ventures why are the schools using the profits to fix their roofs and update their buildings rather than go to the Legislature and ask for money
Congress should just make a windfall profits tax on Self’s salary!
*EYE ROLL*
How many here have gone to see the latest Will Smith movie? Last year he made $80 million. He is paid this because his movies draw a crowd. Hollywood supplies Will Smith movies because the public demands it. Same with Self – if he couldn’t bring in the crowds he wouldn’t command a high salary. Fact of life.
Beber, likely very few, if any. MIT is a NCAA Division III school, as I recall. For those who wonder, Division III schools give no athletic scholarships. The “student-athletes” at a D-3 school are students first, and athletics are truly extracurricular.
As to Coach Self’s contract, Randy asserts the same is with the University of Kansas. I believe it is with the quasi-public corporation that is the KU athletic department, and as such, not with the University proper.
IIRC, there is only one major Division I school in the NCAA that does not have a separate entity running its athletic department, and that was a recent change. From a historical perspective, the “spin off” of athletic departments occurred, for the most part, post-WWII, as there was a feeling in academia that the Universities were being run by and for the benefit of the athletic departments. While the University of Chicago’s abolition of its very powerful and historically successful football program occurred in the mid to late 1930s, before WWII, the reason for this action was similar. U Chicago, in fact, only reinstated football within the past decade, again at the NCAA D-3 level.
GMC, I no longer have the bookmark concerning the three D-1 programs here in Kansas transferring the licensing rights to mascots and the like to the respective athletic departments, which entities now collect all royalties from the use thereof on various regalia. It was the subject of some discussion when KU changed its official logo to that which is now used from its previous logo. Thus, in prior years when one purchased an item with the official “Happy Jayhawk” for example, the royalties (in that case) went to the Kansas Union Corporation, the owner of the copyright thereon. Now, the royalties from such sales are received by the KUAA (I believe that is the acronym for the separate entity that operates the athletic department at KU).
Look on the bright side, Libs.
Self will pay over $1,000,000 per year in taxes.
That’s a lot of welfare. Be happy!
TomPaine, most sports are a drain on the athletic departments of Division I schools; there is only a drain on the school proper if the school supplements the athletic department budget to maintain the same.
Meanwhile, there is an issue within the NCAA Division III schools over the drain, which is real there. No separate athletic department exists, so the schools do, in fact, bear the brunt of the budgets. Both our daughters attended D-3 schools; the burning issue in D-3, which may result in a bifurcation of that division, is over some schools desiring to offer a limited number of athletic programs (football, basketball, volleyball, track as examples) while others desire to continue a broader spectrum of “opportunities”, e.g., wrestling; lacrosse; tennis; golf; hockey (ice and field), together with the more ‘traditional’ sports.
And, Tom, with the funds earned by athletic departments not being in the general university or college budgets, it is easy to understand why buildings need additional maintenance funds while very successful athletic programs are thriving financially.
At the D-1 level, college athletics are truly big businesses. No question. While there have been some studies in the past that find there seems to be no real long-term relationship between successful athletic programs and the level of donations to the academic institutions for non-athletic purposes, there is the feeling that such a link exists. As pointed out above, it is all entertainment, and it behooves an athletic department to hire winning coaches to bring the fans in to fill the stadia, the field houses, the arenas, as those funds help (along with private donations, among other things) pay for the operation of the department, fund athletic scholarships for nonrevenue sports, etc.
Ok, the studios that make Will Smith movies are funded by the taxpayers, Bill Self’s Employer is even if they use some fancy accounting to keep the the sports programs and rest of the school separate
Avtolle, so basically what your saying is the sports programs are so greedy that they try to make sure that every dollar available is going to the sports program and not to the school.
TomPaine, I don’t believe that the taxpayers pay any part of his salary (unless he holds a faculty position with the University), but the same is paid by the separate corporation that is the athletic department.
“the idea of college basketball coaches making CEO salaries strikes me as ridiculous”
What is really rediculous is failed CEOs making college basketball coach salaries.
TomPaine, what I am saying is that the athletic departments having been separated from the academic part of the schools are responsible for obtaining their funding from sources other than the general state budget. The emphasis on intercollegiate athletics was determined by U Chicago back in the 1930s as detracting from the educational purpose of the institution, thus abolition of the football program occurred at that time (if not the entire athletic department; it’s been a while since I read the story). I would point at that institution, along with a great many more, as not needing a successful athletic program to recruit the “best and the brightest”.
If the studios that made will smith movies were funded by taxpayers.
“How many national basketball championships has MIT won?”
If my room-mate hadn’t missed some crucial free-throws at least we would have made the Tourney – in our division.
One aspect that is missed here is alumni that feel a kinship to the university and still follow their sports programs after graduation. This often results in funds in the form of scholarships and endowments coming to the university. A successful program is important to grads.
Uh, okobserver, have you looked at the size of, e.g., Harvard’s endowment relative to its success (or lack thereof) in athletic endeavors? Or, for one really from out of the blue, Williams College?
Heckler
Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink
What should Bill Selfs salary be?
it should be whatever it should be
Why?
because that is what free markets pay
Like okob pointed out with Will Smith.
Not really. I’m sure there are many successful grads that funnel money back to their respective universities. I was just looking at some side benefits of sports programs such as BB at KU.
Avtolle, I agree I dont see successful sports programs as a major recruiting tool(execpt other athletes) Most students pick schools either for their academic programs or their financial packages. Also a lot of students recent athletes because of their pampered lives and many don’t graduate
VT – you raise an interesting point. I support the ‘Tute even though our sports were a joke. However, I also tend to identify with the sports programs at my grad school (UCLA) and other such schools with which I have had involvement. Seems to work both ways sometimes.
and if the free market going rate to save your life was a million dollars you’d be ok with that?
Perhaps thats what really needs to start happening…we start treating the real people like heroes…the ones who really matter.
I just watched USA men win their beach volley ball match. I was excited to see them win and I had no connection to beach volleyball. Competition is a healthy feeling and I am rooting for Phelps to win 8 golds. Every metal won by the USA feels like a victory for me.
I guess I am a sports nut but am also a very strong believer in academic successes. Hopefully we can have both at KU with Self at the helm of the BB program.
Of Course Ben. And we both know that the University of Oklahoma football team is the greatest program of all times.
On a serious note. People didn’t like Dennis Rodman. But for some strange reason, they just couldn’t turn off that Chicago Bull’s game. And they wondered why he acted like such a jackass.
Here is a little tip. Tax dollars won’t keep Bill Self in his condo. If you don’t like his salary, don’t watch his basketball team.
Agreed, Ben, it does seem to work both ways some times. Okobserver, yes, KU has realized a bit of short term growth in giving for the University as the result of the NC in basketball (as I am constantly reminded by the flood of mailings received from my alma mater. However, and as an example, the KU Endowment Fund went over $1 Billion in 2007 (total value); IIRC, the small school I referenced (Williams College) was at $1.3 billion in 1986. Harvard’s endowment is in excess of $30 billion, at last report. KU has had great success in basketball for decades; would one not expect, then, its endowment to be larger than, say, Williams, especially in light of the many times larger alumni base at KU? I realize Williams has existed for some 60 years longer than KU, but as its enrollment is around 1800, seems like KU has had many more grads who could have given much more money if success in athletics was such a strong factor. Just my opinion, of course.
Pmom you bring up a very good point. One which was addressed when we were talking about a national health program which would drop the pay of specicalists and very good physicians. Look at Lindainks son, without the involvement of big medicine the money for his research wouldn’t be there.
As a society we do need to fund the important things and realize that we pay high health care cost because of highly trained physicians and expensive research by pharmas.
Thats keeping it real.
Good point VT. I guess KU is just more visible.
I overheard a conversation at a car dealership a couple of weeks ago. One guy ask the other guy how his son did in his first year of college. The guy responded that his son had a great year because the basketball team won the championship. He didn’t say anything about grades. Apparently the quality of education is based on the success of the athletic department rather than academic experience and achievement. Yup. Priorities are whacked. And not just the student’s priorities.
Too bad that KU Med. Center cant get $30 Million over the next three years…. Maybe that would help get doctors for Rural Kansas communities???
VT – you raise an interesting point. Williams, MIT, harvard etc are actually fairly small schools in terms of total enrollment. I seem to recall we only has a few thousand students at MIT when I was there. Maybe these schools somehow make up for their smaller numbers with a larger per-student contribution level?
One thing that stuck with me from my days at the ‘Tute: A lot of veterans across the country were having problems with their student aid due to foul-ups at the VA. In some cases they got bounced from colleges because they could not pay their tuition/board. At MIT school officials called a meeting with them and got them to sign statements that MIT could negotiate with VA for them. They then ‘froze’ their accounts so they could concentarte on their studies and cut checks to help those living off-campus. MIT then played hardball with VA/DoD to get the money released to the vets.
My point here is that MIT stood behind their students in a time of need. I suspect that has some impact when they get an alumni letter some decades later.
Many of the “Mega Church” coffers rake in much more than Bill Self’s salary projection…. Some of them take in more than $30 Million in just one year!!
And they do it with “tax deductible” dollars…. which in a round about way, is sort of tax dollars…. :-)
Oh c’mon.
Is George Clooney worth $10 million per movie? How about all those country singers making bazillions? And the rappers *ack*
I’ve always thought golf was a more equitable distributor of money – the better you play, the more you earn. But Tiger will make 50 times more in endorsements this year than he will in tournament winnings – AND HE WON THE US OPEN. Is that not fair?
Oh liberals, why are you always so worried about what everyone else makes?
As a conservative, I think every single human has the right to earn as much as he can. Unfortunately, many humans think they’re worth far more than market value. But, thanks to the laws of capitalism, the suppliers and consumers eventually strike a deal.
Personally, I think those mentioned above (including Coach Self) earn every penny. The holders of the checkbooks – the movie makers, the Nikes, the Speedos, the University of Kansas – they’ve all done their economic homework far more rigorously than the complaining democrat readers (and moderators) of this board.
Just another reason for separation of education and athletics.
VT points out that most sports are a drain on budgets, and I understand that’s true. But high-profile successful programs, like KU’s BB program, make money. Lots of it. That, of course, is why they are willing to pay Self what they pay him.
Those dollars generated by the BB team, or the FB team, etc. subsidize the sports which do NOT make money. Go to women’s BB game at KU; you won’t find the crowds there. That may not be fair, but it’s a fact. Neither will people turn out for field hockey, or swimming, or tennis, etc. But those athletes still play, and many of them are receiving scholarships for playing. Who pays for and subsidizes those non high-profile sports? The high-profile, money generatoing sports; at KU, basketball, primarily.
In effect, Self’s BB program lets hundreds of other student-athletes (who really are student-athletes) BE student-athletes.
You should be thanking him, not bitching.
Besides: as Heckler asks, if not the market, just HOW should Self’s – or anyone else’s – salary be decided? Who should decide?
Raptor
Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink
This seems to support my long held belief that any sports past high school exists solely for money
Well theirs a 370 million dollar bond issue to upgrade sports facilities in Wichita
So who pays for Sports if mens baseketball teams(usally the only sport that makes a profit) Doesnt make a profit, Mabye not likely for KU but possible for a WSU
“Oh liberals, why are you always so worried about what everyone else makes?”
Nut–
Nobody’s complaining about what Tiger Woods makes.
However, KU is financed by the public to educate students.
In so far as basketball really doesn’t contribute to that end, why should one coach be equal to fifty or sixty professors?
“In so far as basketball really doesn’t contribute to that end, why should one coach be equal to fifty or sixty professors?”
The real question is not “why should” but, “why does”. When professors can get people to pay $40 to watch them teach, or $35 to buy a copy of their twead jacket, then you might have something.
TomPaine, the athletic department runs a deficit (think WSU football before the program was “dropped” in the 1980s). That deficit was, over time, eliminated by increased donations from those so disposed, increased revenue from mens basketball, NCAA tournament hosting (baseball), and other such sources. It was most definitely not made up out of the general University funds.
Interestingly, all athletic conferences have, to my knowledge on the Division I level, a “revenue sharing” plan in place, so that, e.g., NCAAA tournament money paid in mens basketball is shared among the conference members IAW the formula adopted. Thus, a good year for the MVC, e.g., in having three teams go to the NCAA tournament, is a good year for WSU, even if WSU doesn’t make the NCAA tournament.
BTW, such revenue sharing is a major reason why Notre Dame still is an “independent” in football; they don’t have to share.
Good thinking, Fleettwood.
Using that logic, the Universities should offer “Girls Gone Wild” DVD’s. Just look at all the money they make . . .
Top profs make over $158,000 per 9 months.
$4282 per week.
Capn, if you can show me that the University itself is paying the coach’s salary in full, then I’ll agree with your argument. Similarly, when looking at faculty salaries, there are some faculty who make additional funds outside their base salary as the result of research grants, textbook royalties (a small amount, that), consulting; not paid by the University, but contributing to their overall income, to be sure.
If anyone wonders, I’m not questioning the amount Coach Self is being paid; that’s what the market is at this point for his services, based on past performance. I do question and challenge the assertion that the University is paying the salary.
fleettwood, I think your nine month argument doesn’t apply at the university level; just my opinion, of course.
Coach Self’s contract is all privately funded. No tuition dollars or funds from the state have been taken out to pay Self.
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=14dc554d-ff8a-473a-ac47-9a0d4c45d980
scholfield must be an idiot.
Professor pay:
http://chronicle.com/stats/aaup/ratingscale/2008aaupratingscale.htm
The salaries are adjusted to a standard nine-month work year
Fleettwood, as I have thought; no University funds involved. The private money (again, I beat the expired equine) comes from donations to the athletic department; athletic department revenues; and similar sources (much as other coaching salaries are paid at other schools at the D-1 level).
There are many folks who think a coach is the employee of the college/university; nope, the coach is an employee of the athletic department, a separate entity. The only employee of a college/university in a D-1 athletic department is the AD, in just about every case (excepting here the possibility that there are NCAA compliance folks who work in the athletic department who may be paid by the University).
OK, fleettwood, understand. Guess the research done to “publish or perish” which often occurs in the months in which the professor isn’t teaching is for free.
I suppose you could call the 3 months “free” or you could make the average pay over $3000 per week instead.
Either one is fine by me.
VT I think you are right and from what we learned when our grandson signed with a D1 school on a sports scholarship the NCAA compliance person is an employee of the University and works all sports.
No problem, fleet; although the average salary according to your link is $105,000/year (or 9 months); you used the 95th percentile salary in your computation. Ah, what’s $1,000 or so per week difference between friends.
“Ah, what’s $1,000 or so per week difference between friends.”
Nothing. If one doesn’t like how much one is paid, one should do something about. God gave us free will and feet.
Makes sense, doesn’t it okobserver, that the compliance folk would be paid by the university/college and not the athletic department; conflict of interest and all that.
All one has to do is read the article about Self’s salary: his base salary (paid by the University) is about $230k. The balance is paid from private funds.
Again – more than reasonable.
Libs, again: The man generates more revenue than he costs. His program also generates more than the cost.
What is hard about that math?
“Libs, again: The man generates more revenue than he costs.”
That’s one of the problems with the Libs. They fail to understand that all workers MUST, generate more revenue than they cost.
Libs want a “Living Wage”. Socialists!
“Coach Self’s contract is all privately funded. No tuition dollars or funds from the state have been taken out to pay Self.”
This is what I read in the article. Didn’t find any mention of the base salary being paid by the University.
Its crap Grm and Testicle.
Grm, the free market in medicine is NOT working. And the reason why we’re getting ready to go to national healthcare is indicative of it.
The fact that a coach can earn this kind of money is also just another indication of that kind of failure. Private monies shouldn’t be going for salary- it should be going to help EDUCATE our young men and women.
Is it really so hard to just know what the right thing to do is? Seriously?
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avtolle
Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
fleettwood, I think your nine month argument doesn’t apply at the university level; just my opinion, of course.
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What does Self do in the off season for his 30 million?
Pmom, The free market works well when the trial lawyers stay out of the mix. Research of a new drug costs money. This cost is paid by the first users of the drug until the R&D money is recouped and then it goes generic.
Same with physicians who spend years specializing in certain fields. Why should we expect highly qualified physicians to work at a salary agreed on by a government board?
From the LawrenceCommie World:
“Under the new contract, KU Athletics will pay Self an annual salary of $229,900, unchanged from the previous contract. The compensation package also includes an annual payment of $2,270,100 for professional services,…”
P-M, like it or not, those private monies would not be available for the University at large. The donations, are made specifically for the purpose to which the same are applied; a successful athletic program at the University of Kansas. The other private revenues, e.g., larger receipts from successful participation in the NCAA Mens Basketball Tournament, only were received as the result of the success of the program, the most visible person connected thereto being the head coach. While our societal priorities may be skewed, they are what they are.
And, some of that private money does go to education; what do you think the source of funds for athletic scholarships is? Hint: It isn’t the University general scholarship funds. Not to mention the $1 million donation by the athletic department to the KU Med School made in February or March, 2007; a big deal at half-time of a basketball game at KU. The source of those funds was, again, private money.
“And the reason why we’re getting ready to go to national healthcare is indicative of it.”
What color is the sky in your world?
We are getting ready to do no such thing.
“What does Self do in the off season for his 30 million?”
Whatever he pleases.
Ben:
At the request of John Wooden, UCLA began an annual study on what national championships mean to non-athlete alumns.
In 1980, the meaning was an additional $50,000 over the working life of someone who attended UCLA duing Wooden’s heyday.
MrC that is a good point. Thanks for looking that up.
Regarding research grants; some come from private sources; some come in the form of grants from National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation. There is, from my reading, a reluctance to fund basic (not applied) research by the “private” world, not to say that some of this doesn’t happen. However, it is my sense that the bulk of funding for basic scientific research is in the form of grants administered by the two agencies named above, with the private money made available once the results of the basic research show some ability to be applied to a product or series of products which can then be marketed and sold.
Disclaimer: I do not hold a Ph.D nor Master’s Degree in any area of science or engineering, so I’ve no personal experience in obtaining research funding. My sense as set out above is based upon reading about how research is funded, together with the occasional conversation with a Primary Investigator, or Ph.D candidates under his/her supervision.
MrC – are you referring to how much additional we contribute to alumni fund?
“MrC that is a good point. Thanks for looking that up.”
Excellent! Sitting in front of the dumbass HR director is a little easier for some people thanks to a 7 foot tall dude or a 6′3″, 220 pound guy with a laser rocket arm.
VT – that is consistent with my recollections; both undergrad and grad school. Some companies gave unrestricted grants but they tended to be rather limited.
“…an additional $50,000 over the working life…”
That would cipher to about $25 a week. Better than a kick in the head, I guess.
MrC, I’m a bit puzzled by your statistic posted as well. Does that $50,000 over a working lifetime constitute additional salary the person earned, or, as Ben asked, did these nonathletes contribute $50,000 more over a lifetime than would have been realized without the NC? If the latter, then a direct fiscal benefit to the institution; if the former, a benefit to the alum who didn’t play ball, but how does that benefit the University directly?
Sorry I didn’t clarify… salary earned.
But one only needs to consider:
–K-State’s endowment is increasing at a 60 percent faster pace than it did BCS (Before Coach Snyder).
–Manhattan has seen an additional $55 million in commercial development;
–And the number of in-state and out of state applications has grown exponentially.
Never mind that K-State consistently leads the Big 12 in the number of Rhoades, Fullbright, Truman and Goldwater scholars.
…and the figure I quoted was from 1982.
Thanks for the clarification, MrC. You mean (gasp) the increased enrollment has nothing to do with the Rhodes, etc., scholars but with hiring Ron Prince? (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
I wonder how my going to the basketball national championship Final Four and cheering on the bruins results in me making more money? Hard to figure a cause/effect there.
I CAN figure one for contributions: call me the day after UCLA beats KU and I might be in a cheerful mood.
Seriously, though, K-State has achieved recent success in the areas MrC identified. That is to their credit, as is establishing the advisory program I understand exists in Manhattan to identify appropriate candidates for those awards and assist the students with the process.
“cheering on the bruins results in me making more money?”
The idiot HR people have heard of your skool.
That gets you in the door.
I can, Ben.
Shortly before I moved to Wichita, I applied for a job in Pensacola.
Made the long drive down there, only to find the interviewer’s first question was: “You’re completing graduate work at Kansas State University.
Wow. Have you met Larry Brown?”
I politely ended the interview rather than strangle the son of a bitch for his stupidity.
Needless to say, I didn’t get the job, moved here, and the rest is history.
The key word here is “victim.”
It’s the liberal talking point for all things related to income.
Most libs aren’t happy with their incomes, so rather than look at themselves and study why they don’t make what they feel they are worth – they vilify those that make more.
Golfnut
…and your point is… ?
MrC – I agree – huh?
MrC – is KState going to have a football team this year?
Ben:
Don’t ask.
The only question Jon Wefald’s successor will have at the end of this season will be “Do we fire Bob Krause and then shoot him, or do we shoot him and then fire him?”
It was remarkable to me, a rank outsider, to see how KSU handled its AD vacancy. Led me to believe that Dr. Wefald was also running the athletic department in his spare time from being university president. From what I’ve seen, the buyout won’t cost all that much, MrC, if it happens at the end of this season.
Vaughn:
Tell me about it. This is the stupidest thing Wefald’s done since shooting down a PAC for Regents’ institutions.
“MrC – is KState going to have a football team this year?” — bth
No. God hates purple.
good one beber
beber,
Are you trying to tell me God is a bug-eatin’ Nebraskan?
That’s corn-fed, MrC, and ethanol fueled.
Huck the Fuskers
It’s gonna be a sorry day when The Crying Pellini gets over on us in Manhattan this year.
The Crying Pellini ????
For the way he went up to Snyder after we beat Nebraska 38-6 in Lincoln and cried about us running up the score on his defense.
Nut–
Am glad you and your fellow CONs are so happy about the State government using your tax dollars to help pay for Self’s 30 million dollar salary.
I thought you were for “small government.”
My mistake . . .
Hey, Capn’A. Be careful, you are about to make an ass out of yourself again.
fleettwood
Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
From the LawrenceCommie World:
“Under the new contract, KU Athletics will pay Self an annual salary of $229,900, unchanged from the previous contract. The compensation package also includes an annual payment of $2,270,100 for professional services,…”
Income has everything to do with the important things in life testicle. From being able to feed your kids, to paying taxes, to poverty and crime issues. I wish you had to live on less than 10 bucks an hour and support your family, then maybe you’d get it.
http://kuathletics.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/kan/genrel/auto_pdf/07-audited-financials
As my final contribution to this discussion, see the audited financial statements (link above) for Kansas Athletics, Inc., a non-profit corporation. The notes are of some interest, I believe, as the same clearly identifies the athletic department as a related entity to the University. Thought some of you would find this enlightening.
You see, PeeMom, I DO get it.
Once upon a time, I did make less than $10/hr. Then I went to college – and grad school – and learned many skills along the way. And I didn’t whine about how much CEOs made – and I didn’t ever feel like a victim.
I solved my own problem.
And there are a million other stories just like mine.
Government isn’t your solution, PeeMom. And Bill Self certainly isn’t the problem.
No, money hungry greedy priority challenged people are my problem.
You didn’t make less than ten dollars an hour while supporting a family. Your family was wealthy- remember?
Wait…
It’s my fault that I waited to have a family until I could AFFORD a family?
Shame on me.
30 million over ten years . . . just like the thread post said . . . obviously . . .
“Government isn’t your solution, PeeMom.”
Really, KSGolf. Then what is? When I look at a picture of a shanty town covering the muddy hillside in Bogata, Columbia, I don’t think, “these people need more hard work and free enterprise.”
Obviously, government creating a functioning society has an enormous impact on everyone’s living standards.
More government = a better society everywhere you go.
Big Gov’t
Norway, highest standard of living in the world, long life, good health care
Old Europe, high standard of living, long life, good health care
Some Gov’t
USA, high average income–mediocre median income–good health care for the people that can afford it, bad for everyone else–mediocre life-span
Australia, ditto
No Gov’t
Haiti, poorest country in the Western Hemisphere
Somalia, failed state
Zimbabwe, failed state, runaway inflation
etc.
Fleettwood is STILL stuck on education salaries being figured on a nine month basis…. Fleettie…. For the @#$&^%th time… Teacher contracts are for the CALENDAR year… not the academic year… This is ESPECIALLY TRUE at the college/university level!! Call one of the university offices, and ASK THEM sometime!!
Fleettie…. For the @#$&^%th time… Teacher contracts are for the CALENDAR year… not the academic year… This is ESPECIALLY TRUE at the college/university level!!
Chas –
Once again, you are writing when you know nothing about that of which you write.
As a teacher for 12 years in Kansas, prior to law school, I can tell you that is absolutely NOT correct. A teaching contract in Kansas, at the K-12 level is for NINE MONTHS, not 12. If you choose to do so, the school will space your salary over 12 months (in effect, saving your own money for you, with no interest, of course), but the CONTRACT is for NINE MONTHS.
Having not taught at the university level (other than a bit at the JUCO), I cannot speak to university contracts. However, your post spoke to K-12 as well (quote – “especially true at the College/university level”). I suspect that the nine month contract is the norm at the university level as well, and summer classes, like summer classes at the HS level, are a separate contract. This would permit university instructors to do field work, writing, etc. during summer, as well as search for better work – i.e. changing schools.
Capn –
You’ve got it exactly backwards. Societies create governments, not the other way around. Gov’t is a creation of societies in order to protect what the society, or at least those who control society, deem valuable. There is no substantial connection between the AMOUNT of government and the well-being of the society. Further, there is no objective measure of a society’s well-being. What is valued from society to society is quite different. This is not Norway, nor do most Americans have any desire for it to be. Cherry-picking your examples proves nothing. How ’bout the USSR: MASSIVE government, horrible living standards – and most important, would you want to live there?
Historically, Americans treasure personal liberty above all else, and for most of us, most of the time, that means economic liberty most of all. That may well come with trade-offs. Most of us understand that, and act accordingly.
“Gov’t is at best a necessary evil, and at worst an intolerable one.”
-Thomas Paine
Thank u for the share…