Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who’ll speak at the Democratic National Convention tonight, began her week in Denver by being the good soldier for party unity on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday. She tried to reassure Hillary Clinton die-hards that women’s issues would be a priority of an Obama-Biden administration. And in light of the John McCain house-counting flap, she suggested the Republican nominee is “totally out of touch” with the home foreclosure crisis. “We still don’t have any idea how many homes John McCain owns,” she said. “And I don’t begrudge him seven, 10, whatever the number is, but I think it’s an indication that he has no idea. . . . John McCain has lived the American dream, but he somehow doesn’t feel that that should be opened up to all Americans.”
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Obama releases an ad pointing out that McCain admits he knows nothing about the economy.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Dont_know_much_about_industry…_Obama_0825.html
What else do you expect from a guy who has seven houses, $500 shoes and drives entire motorcades through a Starbucks? McCain said the Bush economy is doing really well. Yeah, when you are worth over a $100 million life does seem pretty good, especially when you get huge checks for selling an American beer company to a foreign company.
Yep, keep trying to win elections with the same old class envy meme.
Now that’s a change!
Is there a politician that isn’t out of touch with the rest of America? If you say “yes”, you are an idiot.
Well, duh! I mean, the man thinks we want a qualified, experienced person for President, when all the evidence shows we _prefer_ celebrity Presidents.
What was Reagan? An experienced Senator? No! Clinton? The only time in recent memory we’ve elected a person actually experienced in Washington politics was when we picked Bush Senior — and we booted him at the first opportunity.
And the there’s W… the man who BEAT McCain already? Hello! Governor of TEXAS? not Senator, not Representative… Experienced Washington politicians will always have the stench of lobbyists clinging to them.
I see Obama as very much a Jimmy Stewart “Mr. Smith goes to Washington” character. We should elect him now, while he’s still idealistic. At the least, it’ll make for an entertaining few years.
Is there anyone who really understands the economy? If you say “yes”, you are another idiot.
She should also take a jab at mccain’s attempt to relate being a pow to not knowing how many houses he has. The guy isn’t even rational, or he thinks being a pow is the answer to any question.
Obama is just another empty suit politician. Idealistic? What ideals? Change, change, change, change, change. Yet he has proven time and again that it’s politics as usual for him. I think I’ll stick to a third party candidate and do my little part to hopefully one day bring down both major parties.
I can’t agree more with Mrs. Sebelius. John McCain is out of touch.
1) He made the mistake of thinking that Czechoslavakia is still a country twice.
2) He thinks the economy is doing fine.
3) He wants to tax the working middle class and not tax the rich.
4) He thinks the Iraq war was a success
5) He doesn’t recognize the talents that artists like Britney Spears and Madonna contribute to our country.
6) He is not sure how many homes he owns: 7, 4, 0?
7) He was born and raised in a family of Navy men.
8) He is married to a very wealthy woman.
9) He doesn’t that Tankers need to come from America.
10) He thinks he is disabled and deserve a $50K per check from the government.
11) He accuses Barry Obama of pretending to be the chosen on when McCain himself thinks of himself as the chosen one.
12) Shall I continue, or, have you had enough?
I know I’ve had more than enough and Mccain has proven he has NOTHING but continuing the failed bushco policies on the economy and waging war. Doesn’t matter if war is justified, doesn’t matter if war makes anything better. FEAR is all the Republican Party has and they cling to it and use it.
McCain out of touch? He doesn’t even talk of anything other than his days as a prisoner of war!
Obama wants to give POWer to the people. Mccain wants to give POW to the people. Enough for some.
RELEVANCE. ANYONE?
‘”I spent 5 1/2 years in a prison cell without — I didn’t have a house. I didn’t have a kitchen table. I didn’t have a table. I didn’t have a chair,” he said.
“I spent those 5 1/2 years … not because I wanted to get a house when I got out.”
For me this is a season of hope — new hope for a justice and fair prosperity for the many, and not just for the few — new hope.
And this is the cause of my life — new hope that we will break the old gridlock and guarantee that every American — north, south, east, west, young, old — will have decent, quality health care as a fundamental right and not a privilege.
We can meet these challenges with Barack Obama. Yes, we can, and finally, yes, we will.
Barack Obama will close the book on the old politics of race and gender and group against group and straight against gay.
And Barack Obama will be a commander-in-chief who understands that young Americans in uniform must never be committed to a mistake, but always for a mission worthy of their bravery.
–Senator Ted Kennedy, August 25, 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/25/kennedy.dnc.transcript/index.html
I’m sure this is in deference to the ‘old gray mare’ not being included as a Vice President candidate.
Sure, she was on the short list, that is, the short list of people not to be included as a choice. :)
The Washington “Insiders,” which now includes Obama, think Sebelius is a lightweight and wouldn’t have fit in.
If Obama gets elected, they might throw a ‘bone’ to the rat terrier from Kansas, to heal political favors.
$ebeliu$ has done what for Kansas, you liberals? I’m waiting…oh, I’ve got it! She has killed every attempt at economic growth and energy independence, overspent for failed school systems, and most importatnly, protected her patron saint, infaticide specialist Tiller the Killer. Does anyone realize in 2007, she hosted a lavish party for Tiller the Killer and his co-workers at Cedar Crest? Nobody else was invited. That’s YOUR hero, $ebeliu$.
As for Messiah Empty Suit, what does he run on besides change? Change this, change that, change something else…I want to see one real policy initiave from Messiah Empty Suit, other than name calling. Change? That’s what Messiah Empty Suit wants you to have left in your pocket after you pay for his radical tax increases and social spending. You liberals would make Messiah Empty Suit proud with your name calling. Why the hatred for McCain? What has he done to you? It wasn’t too long ago most of you were loving McCain and hoping he would stop Bush. Now, you hate the guy.
Okay, when you have to pay an extra $3,000 in taxes to help Messiah Empty Suit build new housing projects, don’t come crying to me. I told you so.
Mccain has done what for kansas. Oh, that’s right, he jiggered the bid for airbus.
“Empty Suits” are incapable of writing books or speeches without a ghost writer, ergo, Obama is no “empty suit.” Q.E.D.
rsm:
13. He doesn’t know the difference between Sunni and Shiite.
There it is again. Infanticide. The last desperate buzzword of the wingnut fringe. Remember, the next preznit will appoint two SCOTUS judges. DO you want the addled grandpa to do it? Or the guy who wants abortion to be safe and legal?
Vote carefully. Your daughter’s lives depend on it.
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bth
Posted August 26, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
rsm:
13. He doesn’t know the difference between Sunni and Shiite.
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I doubt that all but the most learned Islamic scholars know the real differences between ‘Shiite and Sunni.’
An editorial in this morning’s Eagle summed up this way:
“The bottom line of the whole Iraq misadventure, no matter wen and how we leave, will be that we sacrificed American blood and treasure to switch Iraq from a Sunni dictatorship to a Shiite one — just another turn in the wheel of a thousand years.”
http://www.kansas.com/749/story/506330.html
Is that sort of like Kathleen Sebelius being out of touch with her son running a questionable business out of the mansion?
Try to separate the real John McCain from the mythical John McCain.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/mccain_myth.htm
“The nice thing about Alzheimer’s is you get to hide your own Easter eggs,” John McCain said to reporters while sitting in his campaign bus.
You’re making almost as much sense as mcPOW.
Linda- That is truly the Bush/Cheney legacy they deserve.
How many houses does John Kerry own?
How many houses does Ted Kennedy own?
Actually, the VERY wealthy Kennedys and the VERY wealthy Kerrys hold most of their property in family trusts, so that question would be hard to answer.
Ted Kennedy also owns a yaught worth MILLIONS! Most of the pictures in the over-the-top Kennedy film last night, were on a pleasure boat more expensive than almost every home in Kansas!
However, it is very true that McCain, with his wife, HAS provided homes for members of his family.
Barrack Obama lets his brother, George, live in a shack!
Oh hey that Charlie brown Character is still around,There’s no pictures for you here , why are you still trying to be a toon in a black and white blog Franky? Nobody cares about your Rush the Drug Lush repeats and his other rant and ravers whom you help pay to spew hatred!!!!!!!
Maybe Obama’s brother does not want a house. did you ever think of that one?
Besides, hiding behind the fact that property is held in family trusts does not excuse the fact that John McCain does not know how many houses he owns.
When McCain is trying to say he is one of us, he makes himself look the fool. At least Obama told Pastor Rick Warren that he is wealthy and does not like it when he has to write a check for his taxes either. And what did Rick Warren say at Saddlesback – that $250,000/year would be considered poor in his neighborhood and then he laughed. Hate to break your bubble, but the average American does not make more than $250,000 a year and they are lucky to have one house, let alone 7 or 10 they cannot remember if they have.
Let me ask you this Franklin – if the Republicans had anything positive to run on – then why don’t they? All I’ve seen so far is alot of mud slinging and downright lies from Karl Rove’s attack machine. If that is all the Republicans have to offer, then let the chips fall where they may this November.
Hey, Kathy, did you make sure to take a lot of Kansas wine to the convention with you? Or are you just serving up your own Kansas whine?
mom
HYPOCRITE!
Have you heard any of the liberal attacks against conservatives?
Have you EVER stood up to a liberal and told that liberal that he or she was out of line?
Is it only a negative “attack” if is directed at a Democrat?
Unless Kennedy or Kerry spent 5.5 yrs. in a cell without a table, there’s no excuse for them not to know how many houses they own.
End of story.
Phantom
McCain did not say that he “did not know” McCain said that his staff would get back to the reporter.
McCain might not know how each home is titled. This is not at all unusual.
Is it “ownership” if it is held in an Irrevocable Trust?
NO, it is not. The right to use a property is not the same as TITLE to the property.
John Kerry and Ted Kennedy would have the same problem, with this question. I bet they have both figured out how to answer it, now that McCain has had his problems with the question.
I do believe that Ted Kennedy CONTROLS more realestate, in terms of VALUE, than does McCain.
14) Rails against the influence of lobbyists–while 5 of the top officials in his campaign are lobbyists… WHO ARE STILL ACTIVELY WORKING FOR CLIENTS–INCLUDING AIRBUS.
Shoot that up to your paymasters, Paul.
Again, Franklin, you are hiding behind mumbo-jumbo legal terms to get your guy off the hook for not knowing how many houses he owns.
How hard is that of a question for you to understand?
McCain is the one trying to portray himself as a regular guy, an average American. He came from a celebrated Navy family ranked 894 in the class of 895(?) in Naval Academy and goes on to fight in Vietnam. I give him credit for serving as a POW but there are alot of POW’s that are not wealthy and married to a beer heiress (of whom McCain filed for a marriage license to marry while still married to his first wife!) and used his new-wife’s connections politically.
The difference is that McCain, himself, is running for president and every aspect of his life is open for discussion and debate. McCain, through Karl Rove, is the one attacking Obama on his patriotism, his Muslim father, and other stuff.
Like I stated before, if the Republicans had anything positive to run on then why don’t they?
When you answer that one, get back to the average Americans who are struggling just to pay for their one house, high gas prices, high food prices, high health care costs, and the prospect of losing their one house to foreclosure or bankruptcy.
mom, you make perfect sense, but I would like to point out that last night Franklin admitted he is a paid Republican shill. His purpose is to get reactions and report back to his employers what does and doesn’t get a reaction. Interacting with him does nothing but serve his purpose. Much better to allow his rants to speak for him and his credibility.
He is actually competing with bushco for the title of “Best Ambassador Ever To The Democratic Party.” So far, he’s doing pretty good! Read his stuff and know you’re not voting Republican!
Of course, you’re right in — if this is all they have, let’s get on to the swearing in of President Barack Obama!”
I’m starting to wonder if Franklin is related to Max; the shrill rants are starting to converge. It’s getting progressively harder to tell them apart, if anyone really cares!
Yeah Linda, let’s review what isnt working.
Obama is an Arab and a Muslim.
Reaction: HAHAHAHAHAH! Good one!
Obama lets his brother live in a shack.
Reaction: WTF? Who cares? Trumped up story.
Other folks, like famous democrats, are rich too. Reaction: Twofer. WTF? and HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Abortion is infanticide.
Reaction: Big eye roll. Total disgust. Scroll over territory.
Obama is a dangerous, bomb throwing radical who hates whitey and will rape your women.
Reaction: Paulie is seriously mentally deranged.
The economy and the environment are just fine.
Reaction: HAHA HEE HEE HEE HAHAHA Repeat often.
Mcsame is going to win the election.
Reaction: HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO! Delusional for sure.
So Paulie… is that pretty much how your report to your masters looked?
Linda – I knew who Franklin was when I responded to his little tirade. Most of the time I ignore him and chalk him up to the mindless Republican shill he is. But then again, I like to give it back to him and others like Karl Rove who think they can roll over everybody else just because they think they can. They are like the bully in the play yard. They will continue to bully until they get their big mouths punched in a few times.
This election is not like the normal, everyday political election. Obama and his campaign took on the Clintons who owned the Democrat Party for years and for that, he and his supporters must have tapped into something bigger than party loyalty.
I truly believe the average Americans are struggling just to keep their heads above water and the last thing we need is the likes of Karl Rove pushing another Bush 3rd term on to us.
I may not agree with everything Obama says but I know I don’t agree with McCain on most of what he says. Especially that little song about bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. I don’t think any public official, let alone a presidential candidate, needs to be making a mockery about going to war. That made McCain and the American people look stupid.
“gster” wonders –
“…if Franklin is related to Max; the shrill rants are starting to converge. It’s getting progressively harder to tell them apart, if anyone really cares!”
I really, really don’t care about duplicate nyms.
But Franklin merely cuts-and-pastes from wing-nut blogs (e.g., littlegreenfootballs) so he can get paid by the Republic Party (ha!) for “market research.” “MaxGrobnick” seems to be crazy in his own right.
Mom–
Your instincts are correct.
John McCain is someone who says one thing and does another… I know from personal experience; not even Paul can deny me that one (but I’d like to see him try).
John McCain is two-faced… on a GOOD day.
Sorry mom! You haven’t posted much but what you do post indicates intelligence and reason. I should have known you knew what Franklin / Econ 101 / Paul is and how best to handle his ilk.
They’re both out of touch.
How about we don’t elect people because they will take care of a particular group of people.
Collectivism has ruined this country. Instead of respecting our individual rights, they treat us all as groups of people. It is racism at its finest.
Let me see if I get how this country works now, we will take my money and spend it on public schools, even though my children are homeschooled.
Good to see that Communism made its way across the big pond during the red revolution.
I wonder how much the state of Kansas has paid for Ms. Sebelius to lobby for the demoratic party,
linda
I did?
Where exactly?
I only toyed with BJ a bit.
I do not deny and I do not claim to be paid.
I do this because I want to.
Whether I get paid or not is none of your business.
I think the debate is funny, and you kook birds would not believe me anyway, if I made a statement either way.
But I won’t.
Its none of your business.
Objectivist – public education is what makes the US the country it is. Our Constitution guarantees us certain rights and we as citizens should care enough about the rest of our citizens to see to it that each and every person can live up to their potential.
Would you rather have our government spend all its money on the military like the real communism of China?
If you choose to home school, then by all means go for it. But to deny all the children in the US an education simply because you don’t want your money to go towards public education is not very smart in the long run.
I don’t particularly want my tax dollars to go for certain pork projects the politicians push through but I don’t have a choice in the matter. I take the good with the bad in this democracy.
And to equate Communism with your tax dollars being used for public education is quite a stretch, don’t you think?
mom
Obama was employed by a man who brags about bombing America.
You, on the other hand, are mad at McCain for JOKING about bombing Iran?
Wow.
Linda – thanks for the support. I don’t post daily but I drop by whenever I have the chance. Sometimes I jump in and sometimes I just have to sit back and chuckle at some of the postings. After awhile, one can tell which posters are paid shills and which ones are truly concerned about the future of our country.
Franklin – if you are going to spout facts then use names and dates, please.
mom
do your own research.
Everything I have said is true.
The dates and names and time will appear on television advertising, very soon.
You can take notes if you want.
Besides, a smart man would NEVER joke about bombing Iran. But maybe you don’t know that?
If you cannot state names and dates – then I can only assume this supposed television advertising is another one of Rush LImbaugh’s or Karl Rove’s tactics?
Both of these men have been proven to be liars and haters. Beware of who you follow blindly Paul.
You are busted paulie.
You were probably drinking.
We ALL know what you are about now.
BlueJay laughs at the paid poster shill paulie.
Paul – everything you have said on this blog has not been true so let’s not even go down that road, okay?
Ooops gotta be more clear.
The poster currently calling himself Franklin is a washed up party functionary PAID to post here.
He has been variously known as Paul F Rosell, econ 101, and Franklin.
No doubt he will reinvent his nic again soon to try and cover his ass.
Which is befouling the skyline for all to see!
LOL
Mom, calm down.
Take a walk or something, and cutback on the caffein.
Karl Rove is a very smart man, and I do not think you can point to a single time that Rove has ever been less than honest.
YOU called Rove a “liar” — Ok, hyporite, why don’t you document YOUR claims?
Rove and Limbaugh do not “hate” anyone. Again, how about some documentation?
Don’t get me wrong, you can post whatever you want, but if you put rules on ME, I expect YOU to lead by example, ok?
Actually,
Ronald Reagan was a VERY smart man.
When Reagan said, “The bombing starts in 5 minutes” over an “accidentally open” microphone, you libs went nuts.
However, Reagan WON the Cold War.
Likewise, McCain singing “Bomb bomb Iran” might well get the attention of cooler heads, in Iran.
mom
Posted August 26, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink
Besides, a smart man would NEVER joke about bombing Iran. But maybe you don’t know that?
McCain didn’t ‘joke’ about it – he SANG about it.
Rove illegally involved himself in the trumped up case against former Alabama Governor Don Seigleman.
He will eventually face hard time for this.
I can only pray he’s incarcerated with his neo-nazi brothers, who will make him their “b!tch.”
BJ
I said that I do share some of my work with others.
I said that I do try to see what reaction there is to my work.
I never claimed that I am “paid” and I never denied that I am “paid” —
You, the paranoid, dellusional poster that wants to blow up Mexicans with land mines, and has wished me dead, so that you could celebrate over my grave? You have been TELLING me that I get paid for this, for a couple of years now.
You are nuts. Whether I am or I am not paid, for this part time amusement, whats the diff?
You can never prove me wrong anyway, none of you can. You never have.
Capn
Illegally?
How?
Please reference the statutes involved.
By the way, how many pardons did Clinton hand out, in his last few days in office? LOL
THAT will be fun.
Karl Rove and the outing of the CIA agent? All the facts are not in about that case, Paul. Once the Bush Administration is gone and those sealed records are unsealed, then maybe the rest of America will know exactly what was done by whom and when. Then we will know the extent of the lying that has gone on.
As for Rush, anyone who sits and mocks Michael J. Fox Parkinson’s symptoms cannot be considered someone compassionate, now can they?
Rush made fun of Chelsea Clinton for being the White House dog when she was first in the White House. Does that sound like someone who ‘loves’ other people?
Rush has made a career out of belittling people and it is people like you who lap it up like cotton candy and will snicker and laugh. It takes a very small person to belittle someone else to make themselves feel superior.
Remember Paul – pushers in this life get pushed. The wrath the Republicans are feeling in today’s political climate is the karma that is coming back to you after 15 years of having Republicans ramming everything down our throats.
Like I stated before – if Republicans have anything positive to run on, why don’t they?
mom
The Eagle talked about that same CIA agent.
Did the Eagle violate the law, in doing so?
Why or why not?
Discuss with your friends, I know this is hard for you.
Rush made fun of Chelsea Clinton for being the White House dog when she was first in the White House.
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Ah, that one still makes me giggle!
For Paulie’s masters?
He MUST have to occasionally turn in proof of his work.
They should know that he has blown his cover here.
To whit, we caught your shill. He is of no further value to you.
Reagan did not win the Cold War. Russia was on their last legs and it was inevitiable.
But in today’s world, George W. Bush has been provoking Iran into a war and we are not military equipped to handle such a notion. Thanks to Bush and Gang, our country is bankrupt and you expect us to go and start wars with everyone we don’t like?
You, sir, need to get a grip on reality.
Rush made fun of Chelsea Clinton for being the White House dog when she was first in the White House.
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Ah, that one still makes me giggle!
Thanks , you just proved my point. Remember, the man who said this was a big fat white man who cannot seem to keep a marriage going. Rush is on his third or fourth wife?
Rush and Michael J. Fox? That is pure BS on a couple of levels, at least.
Michael J. Fox has ADMITTED that he goes without meds, on purpose, at times, to make a political point.
The video, you might have seen, concerning Rush, was looped and doctored. Rush was NOT making fun of Fox, he was stating the truth, in a tactful way.
Finally, Rush Limbaugh is ALSO disabled, with a hearing problem.
Your facts are wrong on this one.
Linda – you’re quite right. Franklin/Paul/Econ 101 is a Republican shill and not worth my time. I have had fun yanking his short leash but the time has come for me to let this little GOP shill ‘chill’ for a while and get his talking points for tomorrow’s little tirade.
Thanks , you just proved my point. Remember, the man who said this was a big fat white man who cannot seem to keep a marriage going. Rush is on his third or fourth wife?
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1st it’s entertainment, get over it.
2nd what does Rush’s color have to do with it?
When mcinsane invokes the POW card, and Obama calls him on it, then mcinsane gets physically violent, and Obama’s S.S. guy grabs mcnut, what does mcnut’s S.S. guys do? Go after the S.S. guy restraining the nut?
Actually mom
Fat mouth, sexually inadequate Rush is not currently married and routinely brags about his many mistresses.
CLEARLY lying to cover for the fact that he aint gettin’ any.
Rush disabled with a hearing problem? Now that is karma coming to bite him in the ass!
1st it’s entertainment, get over it.
2nd what does Rush’s color have to do with it?
mom and Ben
Actually, Do you know who RECRUITED Obama, for his first political run?
Alice Palmer.
Alice Palmer was a sitting State Senator, at the time, who wanted to run for higher office, after a sex scandal forced another Democrat out of office.
Alice Palmer wrote for the Black Press Review.
Palmer was the ONLY African American to cover the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
Obama wrote a glowing story about the Soviet Union.
Palmer was also quoted in the Communist newspaper, the Peoples Daily World, where she also praised the Soviet Union.
This was on 19 June 1986.
2 years before the USSR pulled out of Afghanistan.
3 years before the Berlin Wall came down.
You libs LOVED the Soviets, until you were against them.
mom, another racist democrat….tisk tisk.
Well. In addition to being an impulsive, intemperate, serial liar, John McCain apparently is an insomniac as well. That’s why he takes AMBIEN in order to sleep.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Politics/story?id=4919842
How’s that make everybody feel, knowing that the guy whose job is to get the 3 AM phone call is ON MEDS THAT HAVE BEHAVIORAL AND COGNITIVE SIDE EFFECTS?
Oh, and Paulie? Your comments regarding Michael J. Fox (what–now is he not a “real” Parkinson’s sufferer?) really have lowered the bar for yourself and all the other Repuke trash who post here.
Just what one expects from a sorry-ass current loser and loser to be such as yourself.
By the way, Alice Palmer LOST her “move up” and wanted her old Seat back.
She is the person that Obama knocked off the ballot, (or one of 3?) by challenging her petition.
Alice Palmer showed up in Indiana, I think it was, to help HILLARY CLINTON this year.
CF
Michael J. Fox admitted that he went without meds, sometimes, to make a political point.
How is it “low” to quote Michael Fox, himself?
Karl Rove is a very smart man, and I do not think you can point to a single time that Rove has ever been less than honest.
YOU called Rove a “liar” — Ok, hyporite, why don’t you document YOUR claims?
*****
Scotty McClellan clearly documents that Rove lied repeatedly about his outing of Plame.
“Much of his venom is saved for those involved in the Valerie Plame affair. He accuses Rove and I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff, of misleading him about their role in the scandal, which caused him to effectively lie to the press.”
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1810019,00.html
Paul aren’t you ashamed of telling out and out lies ALL the time? As I said the other day, there are liars, damned liars and Paul F. Rosell (who is in a class by himself).
Paulie,
Yeah–guess that’s why Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Jimmy Carter were such pushovers for the Soviets. Particularly Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The echoing voices in your head, Paulie, seem to be drowning out what little reality you are capable of grasping. You may want to ask them to pipe down.
I see PeeMom is now just plain “mom”.
How perfectly apropos.
Mom
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Times up!
The reason it was NOT illegal, for the Eagle to talk about Valerie Plame?
Well, there are several, but the really fun reason WHY it was legal, for the Eagle?
You can only OUT someone ONCE! Once an identity is known, once a cover is “blown” the law no longer applies.
Lots and lots and lots of people knew, long before Rove said anything about it.
Besides which, Plame was NOT covert. Plame and Wilson were and ARE political hacks and proven liars. Plame parked in the CIA parking lot, in a car registered to Plame, EVERY working day. Plame had not been out of the country, on state business, in several years. Plames Husband, Wilson, bragged about his CIA wife.
And, the really fun part: The woman who WROTE the law in question says that Plame was NOT covered by that law, at the time!
Franklin,
Does going without meds mean that Michael J. Fox doesn’t have Parkinsons’? And wasn’t the point of his testimony to witness for those who ARE Parkinson sufferers? And in that capacity, isn’t the WHOLE POINT to let the Congressmen see the ravages of the disease?
You’re an idiot, Paulie, to obediently follow Rush’s lead to change the subject by slandering Fox. Are you suggesting that because he takes medications to control his symptoms, that he doesn’t have the disease?
Scott McClellan?
Come on?
McClellan has been completely disgraced.
Nobody believes him.
What leading Democrat is quoting him, these days?
Too many Dems have been burned by McClellan and they dont trust him, so they dont quote him anymore.
Scott is a bitter former employee trying to cash in, and he is not the least bit honest.
Remember EVERYONE! last night when Franklin / Paul / Econ 101 outed himself and fessed up to being a PAID Republican political shill he told us TWO things we should heed. ONE — he is paid to see what gets a reaction; TWO — smart libs do their work for them by responding with links and facts to refute.
LESSON: If you interact in any way other than to laugh really hard at his spinning you are doing his bidding and the bidding of those who pay him!
“You libs LOVED the Soviets, until you were against them.”
Another LIE from Paul. I have never loved the Soviets. And, as I recall, JFK didn’t either.
No CF
Think, man.
The point is that Fox is an actor, and Fox knows how to use dramatic effect.
Fox put himself into the arena of policy, and he did so to push a dubious political cause, with unproven benefits.
Rush commented on it, but Rush did NOT make fun of Fox.
The media looped his video several times, to make it look like Limbaugh was making fun of Fox.
I see Wango Paulie is STILL trying to convert THIS planet to Obscurantism, but finding the people of THIS planet a tad TOO intelligent for his liking. His NEXT attempt will be performed using LIVE single-celled creatures, such as, WELL, himself.
“McClellan has been completely disgraced.
Nobody believes him.”
Not true.
PROVE IT ROSSELL!
Paul and his fellow Republics loved Saddam until they were against him.
bth
Posted August 26, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink
“McClellan has been completely disgraced.
Nobody believes him.”
Not true.
PROVE IT ROSSELL!
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bth is right, moonbats still believe McClellan.
“Besides which, Plame was NOT covert. Plame and Wilson were and ARE political hacks and proven liars.”
You’re a liar, Paul Rosell. Read Patrick Fitzgerald’s 2007 unclassified CIA summary and weep:
http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2007/05/30/plame/
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And then there’s CIA Director Mike Hayden’s confirmation of Plame’s covert status:
http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/03/16/cia-director-hayden-valerie-plame-was-covert-agent/
“This will be a bitter pill for some conservatives to swallow. CIA Director Michael Hayden personally reviewed and okayed Henry Waxman’s opening statement for Valerie Plame’s testimony today. Furthermore, Hayden took pains to set the record straight: Plame was indeed a covert agent up until the day Robert Novak revealed as much to the public.”
Unless YOU have more authority than MIKE HAYDEN to decide who is and isn’t covert Paulie, that’s another BIG, FAT, LIE, from YOU, PAUL ROSELL.
You’re a lying piece of shit, Paul Rosell–a lying piece of shit who makes things up and tries to bully people. PAUL ROSELL IS A LIAR.
How’s that make you feel?
Ben
When is the last time a respected Democrat, on an important committee, quoted McClellan?
More to the point, you don’t hear much about Valerie Plame or Joe Wilson either.
That couple also wore out their welcome, because they became an embarrassment to the Dems.
moonbats
CF
You are wrong.
Fitzgerald has no more authority to find someone “guilty” than the prosecutor in the Duke Rape case.
Also, all Rove, or anyone else, would have to do, in defense of an “outing” charge, is find JUST ONE, “unauthorized” person who knew that Plame did work for the CIA, even if Plame were covered by the law.
NOBODY was charged with outing Plame because Plame was NOT outed.
Paul Rosell who lies,
And Mike Hayden doesn’t get to say who was or wasn’t classified? Really, Paul?
CF
The CIA has NO authority to charge ANYONE with a violation of the law.
Therefore, the opinion of a CIA attorney?
Holds even LESS weight than the opinion of the Special Prosecutor.
Furthermore, not all “covert” agents are COVERED by the law in question.
Plame was NOT covered.
You are “proving” something that does not matter.
“Classified” and covered by the law against outing covert agents are NOT the same thing.
Paul is on a lying binge today.
Why did Limbaugh apologize for making fun of Fox if he didn’t make fun of him?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential3/mjf0/mjf/102606/correcting_the_record_2.guest.html
RUSH: Okay, I need to apologize, I was wrong because I speculated either he didn’t take his medication or he was acting . . .
I wonder if Paul is going to criticize how much energy McCain’s 10 houses uses like he criticized Al Gore’s old family house’s energy usage?
McCain spends over $250,000 a year on butlers and maids. On the other hand VP candidate Senator Biden’s net worth is $150,000. No doubt we’ll hear from the Republicans that Biden is an elitist.
Paul–
If “NOBODY was charged with outing Plame because Plame was NOT outed” then
1. why did the CIA itself ask for and get a special prosecutor to investigate?
and
2. why did Libby perjure himself to protect himself and others from prosecution for a non-existent crime?
Paul Rosell who lies,
Don’t read much, do you? Try it again.
“Furthermore, Hayden took pains to set the record straight: Plame was indeed a covert agent up until the day Robert Novak revealed as much to the public.”
You can try to confuse the issue, Paul Rosell, but it isn’t going to wash: you’re lying. As usual.
Recall the requirements of the statute. Very difficult to prove, or even to get evidence of. That said, the CIA did call for a special prosecutor; and, Mr. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice.
In the panoply of events that led to the conviction, it seems to me that the “outer”, if there was one, had to be a very highly placed individual who had the appropriate clearance to know if an agent was covert; and, to violate the statute, that person had to knowingly transmit the information to another without the appropriate clearance. Thus, the notorious “leak” to Mr. Novak was not, IMHO, a violation of said statute. Rather any violation occurred in either providing the “leaker” with the name; or, in providing the name to the person who provided it to the “leaker”. There was never an indictment of anyone for violation of the statute, as we know; and, I would suggest, obtaining an indictment and a conviction therefor would be almost impossible without cooperation from one or more witnesses to the actual disclosure.
Maggot
How much does Custodial Care cost? What age are the relatives that McCain is taking care of, in those houses?
Also, libs in general, the “tape” of Limbaugh is bogus.
You libs love to roll out “untouchable” spokespersons, you inject people into the political arena that we are NOT ALLOWED to argue with, in any way shape or form.
Then, we argue, and YOU blow up!
Capn
It has not been proven that Libby was protecting anyone.
If they have enough to prove that Libby was protecting someone, for “outing” Plame, why has noone been charged with “outing” Plame?
CF
Richard Armitage actually, unintentionally, mentioned Plames status, to the press, long before Rove or Libby did.
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
(unless the accused is a Republican?)
Paul seems to have a hard time explaining why a smart guy like Libby would perjure himself rather than own up to a non-crime.
First she wasn’t covert. Then she was covert but not covered by the law. Then she was covert and covered by everybody knew she was CIA anyway.
And Libby lied under oath just for practice?
Capn
It is called a “perjury trap” and it sucks.
It is one of the reasons it is now smart to “lawyer up” even if you KNOW you are innocent.
Nobody, but NOBODY has a photographic mind sharp enough to remember everything, exactly the same way, over the course of several interviews.
And, Armitage did not have, as I recall, the appropriate clearance to know what her status was, and thus was not within the ambit of the statute when he made the disclosure. Who told Armitage? I believe that is what Mr. Fitzgerald was trying to ascertain during the investigation.
Paul, you claim relatives are living in all 10 of those houses. Do you care to mention how many? Or is this something you dragged out of your ass again? You didn’t seem to question how many people were staying at Gore’s house so why are you suddenly concerned now?
McCain’s only concern about the housing crisis is figuring out where he’ll buy number 11.
“McCain’s only concern about the housing crisis is figuring out where he’ll buy number 11.”
What is wrong with that? How many people make money when a house is bought or sold?
Trickle down works.
VT
The Lawyer that wrote the law says that Plame was NOT covered by the law:
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“Waxman and Democratic colleagues did not ask these pertinent questions: Had not Plame been outed years ago by a Soviet agent? Was she not on an administrative, not operational, track at Langley? How could she be covert if, in public view, she drove to work each day at Langley? What about comments to me by then CIA spokesman Bill Harlow that Plame never would be given another foreign assignment? What about testimony to the FBI that her CIA employment was common knowledge in Washington?
Instead of posing such questions, Waxman said flatly that Plame was covert, and cited Hayden as proof. The DCI’s endorsement of Waxman’s statement astounded Republicans whose queries about her had been rebuffed by the Agency. That confirmed Republican suspicions that Hayden is too close to Democrats.
These issues were not explored by the only two Republicans who showed up at last week’s hearing. Rep. Tom Davis, the committee’s ranking Republican and former chairman, is a skilled legislator but not prone to roughhouse with Waxman. Unwilling to challenge Plame’s covert status, Davis blamed the CIA instead of the White House for her alleged exposure. The other Republican present — Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a second-termer from metro Atlanta — seemed awed by the beautiful woman facing him. “If I seem a little nervous,” he began, “I’ve never questioned a spy before.”
Davis had e-mailed the committee’s other Republicans requesting their presence. Where were they? I asked Rep. Christopher Shays, who during nine previous terms in Congress had proved a tenacious questioner at hearings. “We felt the committee is so biased,” he replied, “we would do better to just stay away.”
That decision left the field last Friday to such partisan Democrats as Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Rep. Diane Watson, Waxman’s fellow Californian, mimicked the chairman’s inquisitorial style. She repeatedly interrupted lawyer Victoria Toensing, the lone rebuttal witness granted the Republicans by Waxman.
Toensing testified that Plame was not a covert operative as defined by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (which she had helped draft as a Senate staffer in 1982) if only because she was not stationed overseas for the CIA the past five years. Waxman hectored Toensing, menacingly warning that her sworn testimony would be scrutinized for misstatements.
Waxman relied on his support from Gen. Hayden. When the DCI’s role was pointed out to one of the president’s most important aides, there was no response. The White House from the start has treated the Plame leak as a criminal case not to be commented on. The Democrats still consider it a political blunderbuss, aimed at Karl Rove and his boss.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/was_valerie_covert.html
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“Classified” and “Covert” are two ENTIRELY different things.
Paul Rosell the Liar,
You still haven’t responded to Admiral Hayden’s statement that Valerie Plame was covert.
Whether a successful prosecution followed the leak is irrelevant and is a red herring: what matters is the authoritative determination of Plame’s covert status, and your attempt to LIE and say the she had no such status.
You said X was true when not-X turned out to be true: that makes you a LIAR, PAUL ROSELL.
The jury didn’t convict Libby of forgetfulness, Paul.
They convicted him of lying.
One has to assume that he was lying for a reason.
But if you’re a RepubliCON, “he was just a victim of a partisan witch hunt” . . . instigated by the CIA and a prosecutor who has been nicknamed “Choir Boy.”
Unbelievable.
Go throw a kid under a car at Tiller’s clinic.
Oops . . . too late.
Read that at the time, Franklin. I note that the witness assisted in the drafting of the law, and did not write it all alone. For clarification, I’m not accusing anyone of violating the law; I was pointing out that the statute, as enacted, has a very high threshold to be met to bring a criminal action under it, and secondly, that notwithstanding what some apparently believed at the time, Mr. Armitage could not be charged thereunder.
As to Ms Plame’s status; I recall conflicting accounts concerning her being out of the U.S. within the applicable time period required by the statute.
If there is any justice in this world, some day the American people will see George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove wearing orange jump suits, chained together, and frog marched into a federal penitentary.
May that day come soon.
Hayden was wrong.
I did respond.
I respond again.
Hayden was wrong.
Paul Rosell the Serial Liar,
HA HA HA! A column from ROBERT NOVAK as evidence to prove that Mike Hayden wrongly determined Plame’s status as “covert?” HA HA HA HA!
You’re lying just as much as ever, Paul Rosell, a fact that is multiplied by your manifest stupidity in taking the word of ROBERT NOVAK and VICTORIA TOENSING, neither of whom has legal standing, over the judgments of those who do.
Mike Hayden affirmed Valerie Plame’s covert status: end of story. That makes you a LIAR, PAUL ROSELL.
CF
There are several elements to proving a law was broken.
Hayden and other CIA staffers were absolutely, positively wrong in his contention, but his contention is not that important.
You are no longer covered by the law once your status is known.
Rove can not be prosecuted over Plame anymore than the Wichita Eagle, or any Blogger today, can be prosecuted for Plame.
Once you are out you are out.
The bottom line is that the Democrats failed to get their bogie man, again.
As usual, if the Democrats can’t prove anything, just smear someone.
It’s their style.
Franklin knows better than the CIA chief what constitutes CIA status.
Damn, the man should get his own entry in the dictionary for arrogance.
Paul Rosell,
You have NO STANDING to render a legal judgment: NONE. Those who are in a position to do so have, and they have rejected your views.
You can say that you disagree with them. What you can’t say is to factually assert that Valerie Plame was “not a covert agent,” when the legitimate authorities charged with determining that question take the position that, yes, at the time her identity was revealed, “she was a covert agent.”
You’re a pissant Republican hack who posts on a public weblog in Wichita, KS, Paul Rosell. You are NOT the arbiter of the legal question regarding the meaning of “covert” CIA status. So to factually assert otherwise than such arbiters have asserted, and to assert that YOUR view is true, Paul Rosell, makes you a LIAR.
To be precise, that makes you PAUL ROSELL WHO LIES.
CF
Toensing’s testimony is available from several sources.
She helped draft the law in question.
By the way, when the law was crafted, in the first place, the moonbat left was SCREAMING that this was a violation of the “public’s right to know” to even draft such a law.
The OBJECTIONS of the media, in fact, are the primary reason why the law is so impossible to enforce.
CF
INNONCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
I am an American Citizen who values American law.
You are a tyrant, abusing the law to your political ends.
Nobody was convicted, so no law was broken.
Case closed.
Move to China, tyrant!
Paul Rosell the Liar,
You’re starting to sound like Nathan with your equivocation and backpedalling.
“There are many factors” blah blah blah. That’s totally beside the point. You said Valerie Plame wasn’t covert, she was, and you lied. And you go on lying as well. The question of subsequent prosecutions or penalties is totally irrelevant to the narrow factual claim you falsely made.
You lost, Paul Rosell. Either admit it or be prepared to be called a Liar. All. The. Time.
Valerie Plame was NOT covert, or at least was not covered, under the law in question.
There are several laws concerning CIA agent status, and there are several levels of CIA employment.
I had an opinion in the Duke “Rape” case too.
I was right. Innoncent until proven guilty! If a law was broken, why was nobody charged?
Paul Rosell, Who Goes On Lying
The fact that “nobody was convicted” does NOT therefore mean that Valerie Plame was not a covert agent.
If someone is killed and the defendant tried for killing is found innocent, does that therefore mean the person who was killed was never killed? By your reasoning, apparently, it does.
Still you go on trying to pretend that Admiral Hayden’s judgment that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent was not Admiral Hayden’s judgment that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent. The fact that you don’t like something, Paul Rosell, doesn’t entitle you to assert as factual false, dishonest, or misleading things that you DO like.
Continuing to do so merely reinforces that you are PAUL ROSELL, REPUBLICAN LIAR FROM WICHTIA, KS
If y’all will excuse me, I have some pets to go feed. Do be so good, if y’all will, to remind PAUL ROSELL THE LIAR that he is, in fact, PAUL ROSELL THE LIAR.
VT
You will enjoy this, if you have not read it already.
The PRESS court brief says that “no crime was committed” in the Plame case.
Funny, the MSM never told the PUBLIC that their own court filings agreed with ME!:
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“The press had no choice — it was time to close ranks around two of its own, namely, the Times’s Judith Miller and Time’s Matthew Cooper, who were threatened with jail for defying grand jury subpoenas from the special prosecutor.
The media’s brief, fairly short and extremely illuminating, is available here. The Times, which is currently spearheading the campaign against Rove and the Bush administration, encouraged its submission. It was joined by a “who’s who” of the current Plame stokers, including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, Newsweek, Reuters America, the Washington Post, the Tribune Company (which publishes the Los Angeles Times and the Baltimore Sun, among other papers), and the White House Correspondents (the organization which represents the White House press corps in its dealings with the executive branch).
The thrust of the brief was that reporters should not be held in contempt or forced to reveal their sources in the Plame investigation. Why? Because, the media organizations confidently asserted, no crime had been committed. Now, that is stunning enough given the baleful shroud the press has consciously cast over this story. Even more remarkable, though, were the key details these self-styled guardians of the public’s right to know stressed as being of the utmost importance for the court to grasp — details those same guardians have assiduously suppressed from the coverage actually presented to the public.
Though you would not know it from watching the news, you learn from reading the news agencies’ brief that the 1982 law prohibiting disclosure of undercover agents’ identities explicitly sets forth a complete defense to this crime. It is contained in Section 422 (of Title 50, U.S. Code), and it provides that an accused leaker is in the clear if, sometime before the leak, “the United States ha[s] publicly acknowledged or revealed” the covert agent’s “intelligence relationship to the United States[.]”
As it happens, the media organizations informed the court that long before the Novak revelation (which, as noted above, did not disclose Plame’s classified relationship with the CIA), Plame’s cover was blown not once but twice. The media based this contention on reporting by the indefatigable Bill Gertz — an old-school, “let’s find out what really happened” kind of journalist. Gertz’s relevant article, published a year ago in the Washington Times, can be found here.
THE MEDIA TELLS THE COURT: PLAME’S COVER WAS BLOWN IN THE MID-1990s
As the media alleged to the judges (in Footnote 7, page 8, of their brief), Plame’s identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a spy in Moscow. Of course, the press and its attorneys were smart enough not to argue that such a disclosure would trigger the defense prescribed in Section 422 because it was evidently made by a foreign-intelligence operative, not by a U.S. agency as the statute literally requires.
But neither did they mention the incident idly. For if, as he has famously suggested, President Bush has peered into the soul of Vladimir Putin, what he has no doubt seen is the thriving spirit of the KGB, of which the Russian president was a hardcore agent. The Kremlin still spies on the United States. It remains in the business of compromising U.S. intelligence operations.
Thus, the media’s purpose in highlighting this incident is blatant: If Plame was outed to the former Soviet Union a decade ago, there can have been little, if anything, left of actual intelligence value in her “every operation, every relationship, every network” by the time anyone spoke with Novak (or, of course, Corn).
THE CIA OUTS PLAME TO FIDEL CASTRO
Of greater moment to the criminal investigation is the second disclosure urged by the media organizations on the court. They don’t place a precise date on this one, but inform the judges that it was “more recent” than the Russian outing but “prior to Novak’s publication.”
And it is priceless. The press informs the judges that the CIA itself “inadvertently” compromised Plame by not taking appropriate measures to safeguard classified documents that the Agency routed to the Swiss embassy in Havana. In the Washington Times article — you remember, the one the press hypes when it reports to the federal court but not when it reports to consumers of its news coverage — Gertz elaborates that “[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them.”
Thus, the same media now stampeding on Rove has told a federal court that, to the contrary, they believe the CIA itself blew Plame’s cover before Rove or anyone else in the Bush administration ever spoke to Novak about her. Of course, they don’t contend the CIA did it on purpose or with malice. But neither did Rove — who, unlike the CIA, appears neither to have known about nor disclosed Plame’s classified status. Yet, although the Times and its cohort have a bull’s eye on Rove’s back, they are breathtakingly silent about an apparent CIA embarrassment — one that seems to be just the type of juicy story they routinely covet.
A COMPLETE DEFENSE?
The defense in Section 422 requires that the revelation by the United States have been done “publicly.” At least one U.S. official who spoke to Gertz speculated that because the Havana snafu was not “publicized” — i.e., because the classified information about Plame was mistakenly communicated to Cuba rather than broadcast to the general public — it would not available as a defense to whomever spoke with Novak. But that seems clearly wrong.
First, the theory under which the media have gleefully pursued Rove, among other Bush officials, holds that if a disclosure offense was committed here it was complete at the moment the leak was made to Novak. Whether Novak then proceeded to report the leak to the general public is beside the point — the violation supposedly lies in identifying Plame to Novak. (Indeed, it has frequently been observed that Judy Miller of the Times is in contempt for protecting one or more sources even though she never wrote an article about Plame.)
Perhaps more significantly, the whole point of discouraging public disclosure of covert agents is to prevent America’s enemies from degrading our national security. It is not, after all, the public we are worried about. Rather, it is the likes of Fidel Castro and his regime who pose a threat to Valerie Plame and her network of U.S. intelligence relationships. The government must still be said to have “publicized” the classified relationship — i.e., to have blown the cover of an intelligence agent — if it leaves out the middleman by communicating directly with an enemy government rather than indirectly through a media outlet.
LINGERING QUESTIONS
All this raises several readily apparent questions. We know that at the time of the Novak and Corn articles, Plame was not serving as an intelligence agent outside the United States. Instead, she had for years been working, for all to see, at CIA headquarters in Langley. Did her assignment to headquarters have anything to do with her effectiveness as a covert agent having already been nullified by disclosure to the Russians and the Cubans — and to whomever else the Russians and Cubans could be expected to tell if they thought it harmful to American interests or advantageous to their own?
If Plame’s cover was blown, as Gertz reports, how much did Plame know about that? It’s likely that she would have been fully apprised — after all, as we have been told repeatedly in recent weeks, the personal security of a covert agent and her family can be a major concern when secrecy is pierced. Assuming she knew, did her husband, Wilson, also know? At the time he was ludicrously comparing the Novak article to the Ames and Philby debacles, did he actually have reason to believe his wife had been compromised years earlier?
And could the possibility that Plame’s cover has long been blown explain why the CIA was unconcerned about assigning a one-time covert agent to a job that had her walking in and out of CIA headquarters every day? Could it explain why the Wilsons were sufficiently indiscrete to pose in Vanity Fair, and, indeed, to permit Joseph Wilson to pen a highly public op-ed regarding a sensitive mission to which his wife — the covert agent — energetically advocated his assignment? Did they fail to take commonsense precautions because they knew there really was nothing left to protect?
We’d probably know the answers to these and other questions by now if the media had given a tenth of the effort spent manufacturing a scandal to reporting professionally on the underlying facts. And if they deigned to share with their readers and viewers all the news that’s fit to print … in a brief to a federal court.
— Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, is a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.”
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Plame was NOT covert, her cover was blown.
“ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, Newsweek, Reuters America, the Washington Post, the Tribune Company (which publishes the Los Angeles Times and the Baltimore Sun, among other papers), and the White House Correspondents” ALL AGREE WITH ME, it is in the court record!
I would guess that the Media attorneys, that drafted the motions before the court, that agree with me, are every bit as good as Fitzgerald or any CIA attorney. They absolutely get paid more.
And, they are on MY side!
http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200507180801.asp
I’ve been reading about you paulie.
Both your type in the book by Thomas Frank, and your personal stint in government.
You’re a kook. But you are a dangerous, insurrecting kook.
“BlueJay” mentions to “Franklin” –
“You’re a kook. But you are a dangerous, insurrecting kook.
With more logical contortions than a Chinese gymnast.
All day yesterday, dawn ’til past Midnight; all day today, cut-and-posting from Wing-Nut blogs; does “Franklin” need to check his lithium levels? Seems like he’s been pretty manic (even for “Franklin”) these last couple of days.
You guys are Saul Alinsky School, to the core.
You can’t win on the facts, so make personal attacks!
I don’t mind an honest debate with an honest person paulie.
That aint you. YOU are a flack. There is not one ounce of your own passion or integrity in your posts.
Because you don’t have any.
Hell I would bet even money that the biz about your damaged grand daughter is a lie to win sympathy to you in your crooked crusade. Nothing like a little distraction to keep anyone from looking too close.
Well? You’re spotted now. Outed by your own words for who and what you are. Oh it’s not like everyone didn’t already KNOW.
But to see you roll in it like a hyena on a rotting carcass? I’ve been waiting for that for a long time.
Paul Rosell Who Lies Serially,
And the Director of the CIA says Valeria Plame was covert. His judgment refutes yours, and to assert otherwise makes you a LIAR.
That’s PAUL ROSELL, SERIAL LIAR.
Franklin mentioned Saul Alinsky. CapnAmerica also mentioned reading a book by him. This guy was a hard core radical. Here is an example:
Alinski devised and proved thirteen tactical rules for use against opponents vastly superior in power and wealth …
1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2. Never go outside the experience of your people.
3. Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy.
4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.
5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8. Keep the pressure on.
9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10. Major premise for tactics is development of operations that will maintain constant pressure upon the opposition.
11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.
12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
The real action is in the enemy’s reaction. The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength. Tactics, like life, require that you move with the action.”
Alinski was hated and defamed by powerful enemies, proof that his tactics worked. His simple formula for success …
“Agitate + Aggravate + Educate + Organize”
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In other words, the ends justify the means. I can see the use of some of those points with CapnAmerica and others.
But knowing what is going on is disarming.
OK BJ
How was I outed?
AFTER you have accused me of being “paid” for my posts, hundreds of times, I finally toyed with your parnoid mind.
And YOU fell for it.
YES, I absolutely have political friends, all over the country.
YES, we share ideas.
However, I have NEVER told you that anyone paid me for my political views on this Blog.
I haven’t denied it.
I haven’t confirmed it.
It is none of your business and you will never know.
It bothers you.
You can not believe that anyone would disagree with YOU, due to reason and facts and accepted, MAINSTREAM political ideology.
So? —
Your ego requires you to assume I am paid for my thoughts.
Why?
What if I am?
You listen to liberal opinion makers all the time, who get paid far more than me.
Does that make their views less worthy, that THEY get paid?
You are twisted, mentally.
And, folks, nearly every subject that I have brought up, about Obama, will be hammered home in TV and radio advertising the next several weeks.
Do you really believe that all of us are crazy?
Hey, I am giving you a “heads up” about the comming line of attack.
“We” are confident that there is very little you can do to respond.
If you do have a negative comment from Obama, against any of the radicals I have mentioned, that would be helpful if you would tell me, lol.
Oh, I mean, a negative comment, against an Obama connected radical, PRIOR to Obama taking heat on the subject.
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Outlander,
Yeah. And Grover Norquist famously embraced Stalin’s leadership of the Bolsheviks as his own model.
Spare us the moral horror. Who has been less principled than the post-Nixon GOP?
I helped enroll my disabled grand daughter into public school this month.
Very, very proud accomplishment, after she was released to Hospice Care, over 5 years ago, and then lived.
I take her to school tomorrow, as I did today. Her mother goes to work too early to take the little one to school.
She still can not walk without help. Bad sense of balance, but I think she is making progress.
The “training” is hard. She does not respond to food, really. She eats mostly through her stomach.
Hard to do “reward” based training, with this kid.
It is slow, but I enjoy the work.
Paul Rosell the Serial Liar,
Given your abject failure to demonstrate that you are anything but a lying hack, I’d say that whoever is payong you to post here has to be wondering whether he or she got his or her money’s worth.
Hey paulies’s paymaster?
I’m really not in on voting for Senator Obama.
But Franklin paulie here may yet talk me into it!
CF
It is childish to call someone you disagree with a “liar” let alone a “serial liar” —
I believe what I post, first off, so what I say is honest, and therefore, not a lie.
I just PROVED to you that all of the major news media legal departments, in the entire country, agree with me that “no crime was committed” in the Plame matter.
Those attorneys, and their legal opinion, carries every bit as much weight as the mere opinion of a “special prosecutor”.
No judge has ruled.
No jury has voted.
Because, there IS NO CASE!
This is KANSAS
There is little risk involved.
I don’t think anyone is doing similar “experiments” in Florida or Ohio or Michigan or Minnesota, States McCain needs to win.
If Kansas does NOT vote for McCain?
Dinner at the Scotch, for the first person to remind me of this bet, ok?
Been reading ALL about folks like you paulie.
A lot of people are going to learn about people like you. Oh you’ve caused an awful lot of damage.
But thing is? The more liberal side of things? WE own the internet. Witness how you have been ferreted out and dealt with from your very first post.
See I happen to know because I was there.
You are long past being a joke hereabouts. Why at a meetup the other day, some of the organized progressives of this blog unanimously agreed.
If you didn’t post here, we’d have to invent you.
So JR, you solved the worlds problems at that factory and claim a victory for the Union, now tell me, have you been able to obtain and pay (with your own funds) for health insurance for your own kid?
Say JR, you never answered!
Won’t the Union let you join them?
Or is it too easy to sit on your tail and blog all day and live off the public dole?
Here, since you “OWN” the internet, complain to YOU TUBE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g&eurl=http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/search?q=wright
“JR, you solved the worlds problems at that factory and claim a victory for the Union”
Max that is all BS. JR cannot even afford his own computer. There is NO WAY a guy who spends all day blogging solved ANY problems.
Being a bag boy at the union grocery never solved any problems for any union. They didn’t trust him to run the pickle aisle. Way too much glass.
Libs own the Internet?
Why sure!
Al Gore invented the dang thing afterall!
Libs like to think of themselves as more intelligent than republicans. It’s the biggest piece of stereotype I’ve seen.
They cannot comprehend that republicans might be able to keyboard just like they can.
“JR cannot even afford his own computer. ”
Bought and paid for with my own money “HD”
But you already knew that.
Your just out playing dress up in a fake nic.
And you certainly seem to have your fair share of time for blogging. You can even do it in more than one nic.
Too bad the whole network knows who you are now. HE HE
Don’t lie JR. Do you want me to pull out your own post thanking XXX for the freebee?
Network? You have a “network”? Fat chance.
And you know I am the Head, of the Chaplain Corps. I am the one and only true one. No NIC’s like me. I am the connection Chas had to put Gunny Nathan on report.
If you knew anything more than that, you would have outted me.
Now, go fix your own brothers floor for twenty bucks. And then cry about it.
“Do you want me to pull out your own post thanking XXX for the freebee?”
Feel free.
I’m proud it is known I have friends who want me here. Too bad you cons have to invent nics to inflate your perceived presence here
Then you might want to ask him about the computer I bought second hand and that same XXX helped me soup up.
Inventing a nic to harass one person and take ankle bites at others?
You are getting smaller. I especially enjoyed blowing you apart in your usual nic the other day!
Loser.
That would have been a neat trick JR. I only have this NIC. Liar. And blowing someone apart is not the point is it? Or is it? You see this place as some sort of home and point making. It is really sad that you need to resort to the internet for your support network and ego.
And again, Max had it right. You claim fame as some sort of “former” union hero. Sorry bud, but you have not proven anymore reliable on posting crap than anyone else. Your posts do not match your claims to fame.
And a union savior would not have to have someone “help” them add a little ram and a motherboard to a used PC.
I call em as I sees em. Sorry JR, you are a loser living on the blog. That IS your life. I’m sorry for you.
But I won’t let you get away with telling lies – without calling you on it.
You would have outted me like you did Regular. You have a low sense of self esteem, and that is what trips your trigger.
Now, go get ready for Hillary to speak. She will give you the inspiration you need. You must maintain the strength to come back and post post speech. The world is waiting your words. The world is waiting for you to save it.
Save the world JR. Still waiting………
Hey JR! I’m everyone! We are all out to git you!
JR returns: I AM HERE TO SAVE THE BLOG!
(hey, can one of you please give me a computer to blog with?)
BTW, I am a union steward. I took this job after we had a small problem on the NASA shuttle team I served on. Being a rocket scientist proved to be waaay too boring.
So I became a union steward for a small grocery chain near you.
Yep. I’m a card carrying AFL CIO union stewart.
I saved the union, before I saved the blog.
I’m Maxwell Smart too. Go git er done JR.
BJ (short for blow job) you know I’m THE one.
Ahem. Amway. Thanks, but I’ll take it from here.
JR you are a liability. You are not the speaker for your party, nor an example for others to emulate.
Your own son needs a better example.
Please continue. We want you on this blog – we NEED you on the blog because deep down, we cannot face this blog.
Enjoy it. There is a world outside your window you will never know.
….ahem, it is actually “Union Steward”…………asswipe
“Your own son needs a better example.”
Coming from you?
Go invent another nic. You are a social disorder unfolding in front of our eyes.
I love how the cons here love free enterprise and entrepreneurs.
Until they dont….
…and since you all are the most self UNaware people in the universe, even if you dont notice this, we have.
You piss on JR for not having a “job”.
Then you piss on him for being self employed.
You piss on him for not having friends, then you piss on him if his friends help him out.
Mostly, I think you are just a bunch of pissy pants who like to piss on JR no matter what.
But I’m sure, you havent noticed..
Well look there AMway.
“HD” wants to hush ya up.
I can’t say as I blame him.
But I’M hoping for one of your usual 10 post screeds.
And it seems HD has quite a bit of influence over AmWay, does it not? What’s this tell you?
Franklin
Posted August 26, 2008 at 6:49 pm | Permalink
CF
It is childish to call someone you disagree with a “liar” let alone a “serial liar” —
I believe what I post, first off, so what I say is honest, and therefore, not a lie.
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Wango boy does it again: If he believes what he writes, it is not a lie. Doesn’t matter the facts are wrong, HE believes them, therefore it’s the truth! WOW, is that how republicans think?
“Yer Honor, I believe, even though ya got piktures of me shooting that dad bern no ‘count lib, I believe I ain’t dude it, therefore the jery fin’ me NOT guity!”
“Wango Pauli, take that mask off, sit down and shut up!”
ksfarmgrrl
Posted August 26, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink
But I’m sure, you havent noticed.
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What, did I miss something?
Yeah linda.
American way appears for the first time on this thread….
to answer a post I clearly aimed at “HD”?
I think I know a poster trying to pretend to be at least 3 people.
Say JR, did all your Lib buddies pony up to pay for your son’s healthcare yet?
The Libs care so much you know. They’ll donate a used $50 PC to you, but did they give you more then that? Like the $3,000 to $6,000 per year cost for health care that Working People have to pay for themselves and their own familes?
JR, did you get a $3,000 check from your Lib buddies for your son’s healthcare? Or did CHIPS (ie. Me and Other Working Americans) have to pay for your own kid because you didn’t want to?
Gosh, all the Libs must be tearing up and fawning over the eloquent bullshit coming from Hillary tonight.
How profound she is!
There goes JR/BJ again.
Max is Kansas, then Regular. Now Amway is HD and who else?
You guys are close to figuring this out. There is only ONE conservative that 100 of y’all have been blogging against for 2 years.
200 to 1. That’s pretty even odds, considering the opponets of the one conservative.
Until I have actually met you in person “max”?
YOU are just another costume nic.
BJ, you are just some old poor starving African American widow until I have met you in person.
Happy Kwanza!
And thus JR, as an African American poor widow, your son does qualify for SChip.
Now, go do the right thing. Get your boy health insurance.
Like Kathy Sebelius,
This thread could have been a snore.
Except for all that is happening here.
It’s got Franklin paulie exposed as the shill he is.
And just when did “American way” start answering posts for “HD Chaplain”?
And just WHY did the two of them completely disappear when that little fact was noticed.
Oh CLEARLY, progressives own the internet and the blogs.
The cons have to hire shills and post in multiple nics to compete.
Doo doo Doo doo.
And now JR has entered the Twilight Zone.
Suddenly, all is clear to him, and then everything is not clear, all at the same time.
There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and timeless as infinity.
It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge.
This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call . . . the Twilight Zone.
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