Parkay, How could you possibly know that the rapes won’t have profound and permanent effects on this young girl? While I agree with your statement about rapists, you have no idea of the psychological damage rape does.

Don’t give them any ideas.

I wonder how many of these Catholics mocked Muslims for getting all upset about some cartoons?

I suppose we should say Dr. Parkay thanks to his diagnosis on the health of the fetus and the future psychological consequences of the girl’s abortion. You see in fundyland there’s no need to actually see the patients, just use your magic fundypowers and convey with the spirits to predict the future.

But we can see the effects of Parkay’s system in Romania. No sex education so the girl didn’t even know what sex was and had no idea about pregnancy. Even though the child is a minor and the victim of rape abortion is illegal in Romania. Anti-choicers showed they could care less about the girl’s psychological and physiological health and wanted to force this pregnancy upon her, just like the rapist did. In the world of the anti-choicers rape is a legitimate method of reproduction and the rapist is rewarded with passing on his genes to the next generation (the victim must be punished by having to raise the child that was forced upon her.

The family had to raise funds and flee to England for the abortion. Had they had it in Romania the doctor performing it could be executed, and who knows the punishment the girl would have received at the hands of the State.

The fears of the family are mentioned in the last two paragraphs.

“After that, who knows? The family fears Florina will be perceived as ‘tainted’. They are considering moving away, perhaps even to Britain, if Florina’s father is able to find work here, so that the little girl can be given a fresh start.

Her mother’s objective is simple. She will do everything in her power to ensure that the brutal event that destroyed her daughter’s childhood will not blight the rest of her life.”

Yes, as long as they can leave the anti-choice community the girl can lead a normal life. If Parkay had his way this girl would be tormented for life or executed for murder.

As for the 11year pregnant girl, people like parkay are all for forcing her to have a baby yet somehow vanish when she would need food a place to live, or health care, or daycare so she doesn’t have to drop out of school,

Locally, National Right to Life is affiliated with Kansans for Life.

Anyway, harsh treatment of those women who obtain abortions, for any reason, has never been the goal of National Right to Life.

Doctors should be punished, Licenses should be at risk.

Nobody at NRTL has ever suggested that we put mothers in jail for having abortions.

The link about the 11 year old was a sad story. Let us please concentrate on the United States, however.

In many countries, abortions are FORCED by the government.

In this country, parents can still, often, force a minor to have an abortion, against her will.

Hard cases make bad law.

I believe that America can be trusted to regulate the abortion industry, without much help from the courts.

That day will come.

By the way, many, many of the prolife leaders that I have met, have had abortions themselves.

The idea that any of the leading prolife groups are angry or judgemental or hateful is a myth.

Just in my lifetime, we have seen a move away from hard faith.

We’ve properly gotten faith out of the schools and are vigilantly keeping it out without persecution or heavy handedness. Faith based intolerance and hate is still prevalent but is becoming less fashionable.

My son is a second generation non believer.

I think the next 50 years or so will see us move further away from such silliness. Then maybe we will start looking around for solutions instead of looking up.

And Parkay, if that doesn’t sound like an opium trip, I don’t know what does.

Like he just posted above.
And I do legitimately believe that these restrictions only hurt women in the long run…not only do they get tighter and tighter, but they really interfere with a woman’s life or death decision.

If Parkay doesn’t think that carrying a child for 9 months then going through birth at 11 isn’t traumatic, he’s a complete idiot.

People are not forced to be part of any one religion. Therefore they can belong to a religion that is more to their belief.

The same is true for an athiest’s choice not to believe.

Why associate with an organization when you cannot support the core of their beliefs?

That is not being shallow.

http://oddculture.com/2008/07/10/ucf-student-took-eucharist-hostage/

Here’s a story of an 11 year old discussing her abortion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1034497/The-11-year-old-Romanian-schoolgirl-raped-uncle-tells-moving-story-abortion.html

She was raped at the age of 10 by her uncle and, as a result got pregnant. Now folks like Parkay would say she is a slut and the abortion was out of convenience and she should have thought about the pregnancy before she had sex. If you take the biblical punishment for rape the 10 year old would have to marry her uncle (after he pays the family a few shekels for her), or she could be executed for her crime.

So should we listen to reich wing nuts like Parkay and this fringe Catholic group about Sebelius’ position on reproductive freedom? We should listen to the views of the insane who would prefer to go back to the days where men investigated women for witchcraft by sticking their fingers up her vagina, then do the opposite.

ProChoicers think they know what it means to be “Catholic” —

Why can’t we tell them what it means to be “pro-choice”?

There is a good majority of general election voters who are in favor of “parental notice” or “parental consent” laws, before a minor can have an abortion.

There is a solid majority of general election voters who are against a minor crossing state lines, to obtain an abortion, with out the knowledge of that minor’s parents.

There is a slim, but consistent majority in favor of outlawing ALL abortions, except in the cases of rape, incest or actual risk to the life of the mother.

There is a VERY solid majority against late term abortions except in the very rare exceptions, noted above.

People might say they are “pro-choice” in polite conversation, especially since the choicers tend be so rabid.

However, the general public, like Catholics as a group, would favor huge restrictions on the practice of abortion.

Pro-choicers like to speak in broad generalities.

Everyone who really understands the politics of the abortion issue understands that, on actual legislation, the pro-life side has the popular advantage.

More over, besides the popular will, there is something called “voter intensity” at work here.

There are only a small number of people who vote “single issue” based on abortion alone.

Of that group, the prolife side has from a 4% to a 7% advantage, in nearly every area of the country.

Simply put, most who label themselves “prochoice” are not really very radical, on the issue, and they will accept the need for regulation.

Simply put, most people who label themselves, “prochoice” are not nearly as motivated by that issue as the prolife forces.

There are about equal numbers of pro-CHOICE Catholics as anti-Choice Catholics. Personally I’d be fine with all those who are pro-Choice to leave their church, but they happen to feel that they can promote rights and humanity better from within their own Church.

You cannot deny the devastation of illegal abortions. Two highly Catholic nations recently voted to legalize abortion. They could not ignore the truth of what was happening to their citizens…also Catholic.

Obama has enough trouble, of his own.

Obama does not need to put the abortion issue front and center, in his campaign, and it will be if he picks our goofy Gov.

“…If you do not want to support and believe in the faith you have the right to chose one that better fits your beliefs. You are not being forced to be a catholic if you do not want to believe.”

See? And here’s where I don’t get any of the extremists — left or right — who contribute to this forum.

If they don’t agree with everything you believe in, they believe in nothing?

What a shallow stream of thought you live in.