Gore, Pickens, Turner and others all on the same rope pulling us somewhere.

On my blog right now.

Why?

Why prepare, NOW, for something that we do not have to face, for 50 years or more?

Why accept guaranteed pain and suffering, now, for a weak promise of something that might work, in the future?

What happens when your precious oil runs out and there’s nothing to replace it? Your grandkids live in caves? They heat their caves with firewood? They light the caves with the family cat fat?

I would like to leave them a better place, free from small minded individuals, and dependence on foreign energy sources.

So, as I said earlier, keep on thinking your small thoughts while the real world passes you by and leaves you wallowing in your own polluted corner of your mini-mind.

I’m done wasting my time on you.

Don’t force me to buy a mousetrap that does not work.

Also?

You libs forget something: IF you develop a true alternative to gasoline, or to coal, that is economical?

YOU WILL REDUCE THE PRICE OF OIL AND COAL!

What happens when the oil and coal prices drop, and you are left with expensive technology nobody will buy?

You will have snob appeal, status symbol golf cart type vehicles that are twice or more as expensive as the average gasoline powered vehicle.

You hate oil.

So what? Your hatred will not replace oil.

Yes, it CAN be done.

Tell us why we would want such a vehicle, if it costs too much, won’t go very fast, and runs out of juice after only a few miles?
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I avoided nothing. It wont be made if it’s not economical. Duh. It will be made when the means to do so is developed, as it will be. As I stated many times: your hearse will be electric or hydrogen in less than 15 years. I believe you stated still gas driven in 50 years. I know I’m right; you think you are. Big difference.

Also, the bio-fuels are NOT Ethanol, but true bio-engineered hydrocarbons; a direct replacement for gasoline, and engineered to be more efficient and cleaner. No need to drill here; drill now.

The fact that some of our domestically produced oil is sold overseas actually is a GOOD thing!

If you forced all domestically used oil to be used domestically, you would screw up our trade agreements with Mexico and with Canada.

Besides, it does not make efficient use of the fuel to demand that all of it be used domestically.

The shipping cost from Alaska to Japan can be much cheaper than from Alaska to Houston or another major, domestic refinery.

You can not answer simple questions, and you arrogantly insult me?

How will an all electric vehicle heat or cool the passenger compartment?

You have not answered, you have reverted to nonsense about “new technology” — meaning you want the public to buy your “pig in a poke” without any proof that your ideas will work?

I claim that new technology will continue to make coal and gasoline more efficient and cleaner.

I also claim that this is EXACTLY what we will end up doing.

Your ideas are fine. They just don’t work yet.

Good luck.

Yes, it CAN be done.

Tell us why we would want such a vehicle, if it costs too much, won’t go very fast, and runs out of juice after only a few miles?

Franklin again uses his limited ability to denounce anything remotely advanced. He really can’t see the forest for the trees. A previous thread pointed out a link to bio engineered hydrocarbon fuels, both gas and diesel, and neither being Ethanol. Both can be produced by the same plants now producing Ethanol, and both derived from sugar cane.

He also fails to see this countries oil companies are selling over 10% of the daily production overseas. That number based on 85% production rates.

He also fails to see this country has the brains and the will to develop new and exciting ways to both heat and cool in better, cheaper ways. It’s called American ingenuity, and is driven by the private sector, with help from the government, when Americans call for it. Just as the auto industry is having trouble keeping up with small car demand, but will meet that demand, American ingenuity will come up with what’s needed when demanded.

Franklin you’re a loser with the mental power of a gnat. Keep thinking small: it fits you. With thinking like yours, Polio would still be a major problem, as would smog and burning rivers. You’re a perfect of the conservative Thomas Frank talks about.

Again, the POINT here is not that heating or cooling the pasenger compartment can not be done.

The POINT is that it is an additional cost, a cost that the “greens” never want to factor into the equation, when pushing their “alternatives” on us.

Heating an all electric vehicle with an electric heater will impact the battery charge, the duration of that charge, and the performance, of that vehicle. Also, electric batteries never perform well in cold weather. Batteries depend on chemical reactons, all chemical reactions are slowed by low temperatures.

Cooling the passenger compartment of an all electric vehicle will be a huge drain on the battery of that vehicle. No matter if the compressor is mechanically or electrically powered, it will be a drain on performance, battery life and the length of the charge.

Hmm, with reference to passenger trains, have a generator driven by the action of the wheels of the cars turning to generate the electricity for the heater/air conditioning for the comfort of those in the cars (kind of how I believe it currently works). On aircraft, just as now; the power for heating/cooling provided once the external power is removed prior to takeoff provided by a generator running off at least one engine (and, until the external power supply is plugged in after landing, again from the operation of the engine). Autos, trucks, buses, use some of the heat from the engine, to be sure, or the batteries for an all-electric vehicle.
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Diesel trains and their units that run in the local area are primarily Diesel Electric. Though they have huge diesel engines, the primary converter for power and motion is electric.

If you have little or no natural heat source, with the primary locomotion? You must come up with another way to heat the passenger compartment — and that will impact the efficiency and the ultimate practicality of your “alternative”.

Would you rather pay the transportation costs, to force every drop of oil produced, in America, to stay in America — even if that meant inefficiency and burning MORE fuel to transport that fuel?

Every drop produced helps meet demand.

Domestic production also creates jobs and tax revenue.

My point? Trains and automobiles are not quite the same thing. Extra weight on a train, for heat or cooling, doesn’t seem to matter.

In an automobile? It does matter.