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	<title>Comments on: Phelps protesters were no-shows in Canada</title>
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		<title>By: GMC70</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-402289</link>
		<dc:creator>GMC70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas
Posted August 15, 2008 at 3:21 am &#124; Permalink
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Chas - 

please don&#039;t tell me you take ANYTHING on this site remotely seriously?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas<br />
Posted August 15, 2008 at 3:21 am | Permalink<br />
<a href="http://www.jimmarrs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jimmarrs.com/</a></p>
<p>Scroll to article dated: Mrch 14, 2008</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!</p>
<p>Chas &#8211; </p>
<p>please don&#8217;t tell me you take ANYTHING on this site remotely seriously?!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-402029</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.jimmarrs.com/

Scroll to  article  dated:  Mrch 14, 2008</description>
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<p>Scroll to  article  dated:  Mrch 14, 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-402019</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golfnuts,
&quot;I, personally, have tried all four of those alternatives. #4 is the least productive.&quot;

If that&#039;s the case, why do you constantly show up here with your wingnut rants? I&#039;d think you might find something more productive to do. There are plenty of volunteer opportunities that actually do some good for people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golfnuts,<br />
&#8220;I, personally, have tried all four of those alternatives. #4 is the least productive.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, why do you constantly show up here with your wingnut rants? I&#8217;d think you might find something more productive to do. There are plenty of volunteer opportunities that actually do some good for people.</p>
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		<title>By: KSGolfnut</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401947</link>
		<dc:creator>KSGolfnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note:

I, personally, have tried all four of those alternatives.  #4 is the least productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note:</p>
<p>I, personally, have tried all four of those alternatives.  #4 is the least productive.</p>
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		<title>By: KSGolfnut</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401945</link>
		<dc:creator>KSGolfnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion:

It&#039;s simple.  If you&#039;re not making what you think you&#039;re worth, you have these choices:

- Find someone who will pay you what you think you&#039;re worth.
- Increase your training/education to boost your skill level and marketability.
- Do nothing.
- Whine and complain and do nothing. (the ongoing current choice by this board poster)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple.  If you&#8217;re not making what you think you&#8217;re worth, you have these choices:</p>
<p>- Find someone who will pay you what you think you&#8217;re worth.<br />
- Increase your training/education to boost your skill level and marketability.<br />
- Do nothing.<br />
- Whine and complain and do nothing. (the ongoing current choice by this board poster)</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401928</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pmom
I know that what you do is very important.
I too think it is a mistake for anyone to look down on honest work, of any type.

My suggestion? 

Find a family with a functioning elderly person expected to live for awhile longer.

Offer to work for $9.00 an hour, plus benefits, if they will pay off your &quot;non compete&quot; contract.

You are saving them a chunk of money, should the patient live very long at all.

The non compete &quot;pay off&quot; should be in loan terms, with YOU responsible for reimbursment, to the family, if you quit before the death of the client/patient or 3 years, whichever comes first.

Then, you are FREE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pmom<br />
I know that what you do is very important.<br />
I too think it is a mistake for anyone to look down on honest work, of any type.</p>
<p>My suggestion? </p>
<p>Find a family with a functioning elderly person expected to live for awhile longer.</p>
<p>Offer to work for $9.00 an hour, plus benefits, if they will pay off your &#8220;non compete&#8221; contract.</p>
<p>You are saving them a chunk of money, should the patient live very long at all.</p>
<p>The non compete &#8220;pay off&#8221; should be in loan terms, with YOU responsible for reimbursment, to the family, if you quit before the death of the client/patient or 3 years, whichever comes first.</p>
<p>Then, you are FREE!</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401923</link>
		<dc:creator>Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like
8675309</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like<br />
8675309</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401897</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed, email me.  o_serenity_now@yahoo.com

I know exactly what you are talking about, which is why I&#039;m trying to elevate the level of care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed, email me.  <a href="mailto:o_serenity_now@yahoo.com">o_serenity_now@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>I know exactly what you are talking about, which is why I&#8217;m trying to elevate the level of care.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P-Mom
Yes, going it alone with a disabled adult is difficult, but not impossible. I know, I spent 14yrs doing it. And yes, you&#039;re in crisis mode a lot. While dementia wasn&#039;t a problem, we had plenty of others. 
We tried an agency, and got some of the most incompetent workers and managers imaginable! One manager, when she couldn&#039;t bully some worker into giving up her day off, would have the office calls forwarded to our house and simply attempt to run the agency in our living room and do her work at the same time. Talk about a disaster! But that was only one of their many didasters. We gave up on agencies at that point. 
We did have regular visits from some amazing home heath nurses from St Joe who were real lifesavers, and a couple of damned good doctors they consulted with! They made home care possible for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P-Mom<br />
Yes, going it alone with a disabled adult is difficult, but not impossible. I know, I spent 14yrs doing it. And yes, you&#8217;re in crisis mode a lot. While dementia wasn&#8217;t a problem, we had plenty of others.<br />
We tried an agency, and got some of the most incompetent workers and managers imaginable! One manager, when she couldn&#8217;t bully some worker into giving up her day off, would have the office calls forwarded to our house and simply attempt to run the agency in our living room and do her work at the same time. Talk about a disaster! But that was only one of their many didasters. We gave up on agencies at that point.<br />
We did have regular visits from some amazing home heath nurses from St Joe who were real lifesavers, and a couple of damned good doctors they consulted with! They made home care possible for us.</p>
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		<title>By: beber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401890</link>
		<dc:creator>beber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe a beaver, eh?</description>
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		<title>By: beber</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401889</link>
		<dc:creator>beber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sursum, it&#039;s a maple leaf.</description>
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		<title>By: sursum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401873</link>
		<dc:creator>sursum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phelps would have had the same reception in other places. Google says that in former British colonies like New Zealand and Austalia, one cannot intimidate, degrade, incite violence against any identifiable person or group of persons by reason of race, gender, sexual preferences, socio-economic status or polictical persuasions etc. etc. In the 1950&#039;s some 
Texas pastor called for the arrest and burning at the stake of all Wiaccans and could not be prosecuted in the US where free speech seems to be almost limitless vs. other places. Apparently the base difference is that while America&#039;s Constituion guarantees Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness, the Canadian equivalent offers Law, Order and Good Governance a big difference. Come to think of it isn&#039;t their national &quot;symbol&quot; a cop/Mountie? Seems that L&amp;O plank may have avoided any Indian wars in their westward expanions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelps would have had the same reception in other places. Google says that in former British colonies like New Zealand and Austalia, one cannot intimidate, degrade, incite violence against any identifiable person or group of persons by reason of race, gender, sexual preferences, socio-economic status or polictical persuasions etc. etc. In the 1950&#8217;s some<br />
Texas pastor called for the arrest and burning at the stake of all Wiaccans and could not be prosecuted in the US where free speech seems to be almost limitless vs. other places. Apparently the base difference is that while America&#8217;s Constituion guarantees Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness, the Canadian equivalent offers Law, Order and Good Governance a big difference. Come to think of it isn&#8217;t their national &#8220;symbol&#8221; a cop/Mountie? Seems that L&amp;O plank may have avoided any Indian wars in their westward expanions</p>
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		<title>By: Pleefer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401822</link>
		<dc:creator>Pleefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is, we&#039;re a disposable society and old folks and babies are apparently not exempt from disposable status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is, we&#8217;re a disposable society and old folks and babies are apparently not exempt from disposable status.</p>
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		<title>By: Pleefer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401796</link>
		<dc:creator>Pleefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought she was talking about Kansas&#039; pay scale. That&#039;s what is wrong with this country, the people that deserve the good pay get shafted, while some dumbass, thieving attorney rapes us and destroy&#039;s our system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought she was talking about Kansas&#8217; pay scale. That&#8217;s what is wrong with this country, the people that deserve the good pay get shafted, while some dumbass, thieving attorney rapes us and destroy&#8217;s our system.</p>
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		<title>By: SolDevVB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401775</link>
		<dc:creator>SolDevVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Financial situations are different elsewhere. Better insurance, better income, etc. I understand your point, but the reality is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Financial situations are different elsewhere. Better insurance, better income, etc. I understand your point, but the reality is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401770</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really should&#039;nt matter.  Are workers or elderly more important elsewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really should&#8217;nt matter.  Are workers or elderly more important elsewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: SolDevVB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401768</link>
		<dc:creator>SolDevVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might have to move P_Mom. Rates are much higher up here too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might have to move P_Mom. Rates are much higher up here too.</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401765</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary has told me that if I did this in wichita, I&#039;d make more there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary has told me that if I did this in wichita, I&#8217;d make more there too.</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401762</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could have went to Florida PMom and taken care of WSClark&#039;s father.  He claimed it was going to cost him $2500.00/month.  Clark could have paid you three fourths of that and you still would have came out ahead of your current wage.

Then again, the truth may be a different story.

I dated a nurse who traveled to Dallas/Fort Worth area on Weekends to work a 4 day week. Friday through Monday.  I asked her why she did that and she said, it paid three times a much as they were offering in Oklahoma and for less hours.

She was an R.N., but even the L.V.N&#039;s traveled down there to get a better wage.  I&#039;m sure the whole health care job sector pays more there than other parts of the southwest or central U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have went to Florida PMom and taken care of WSClark&#8217;s father.  He claimed it was going to cost him $2500.00/month.  Clark could have paid you three fourths of that and you still would have came out ahead of your current wage.</p>
<p>Then again, the truth may be a different story.</p>
<p>I dated a nurse who traveled to Dallas/Fort Worth area on Weekends to work a 4 day week. Friday through Monday.  I asked her why she did that and she said, it paid three times a much as they were offering in Oklahoma and for less hours.</p>
<p>She was an R.N., but even the L.V.N&#8217;s traveled down there to get a better wage.  I&#8217;m sure the whole health care job sector pays more there than other parts of the southwest or central U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: SolDevVB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401761</link>
		<dc:creator>SolDevVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then that really ins&#039;t much of a margin if your co gives you bennies and PTO. That sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then that really ins&#8217;t much of a margin if your co gives you bennies and PTO. That sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: SolDevVB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401760</link>
		<dc:creator>SolDevVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SolDevVB@GMail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:SolDevVB@GMail.com">SolDevVB@GMail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401758</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sol- email?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sol- email?</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401755</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I have a non-compete.  If I want out of it I&#039;d have to pay 7k.

The problem is that when people need care, they often need it NOW, they don&#039;t have time to research, so they go to the agencies.  We are at the mercy of the agency.

My salary is exactly half of what my clients pay.
Now what the state pays in- or insurance- I don&#039;t know.  That&#039;s what my private pay client shells out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I have a non-compete.  If I want out of it I&#8217;d have to pay 7k.</p>
<p>The problem is that when people need care, they often need it NOW, they don&#8217;t have time to research, so they go to the agencies.  We are at the mercy of the agency.</p>
<p>My salary is exactly half of what my clients pay.<br />
Now what the state pays in- or insurance- I don&#8217;t know.  That&#8217;s what my private pay client shells out.</p>
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		<title>By: SolDevVB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401747</link>
		<dc:creator>SolDevVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P_Mom, 

Is your wage (none of my business) tied to how much your employer is charging? 

Have you signed a non-compete? Could you strike out on your own and cut out the middle man?

Just sayin... you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P_Mom, </p>
<p>Is your wage (none of my business) tied to how much your employer is charging? </p>
<p>Have you signed a non-compete? Could you strike out on your own and cut out the middle man?</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8230; you know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ANTI</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/phelps-protesters-were-no-shows-in-canada/#comment-401746</link>
		<dc:creator>ANTI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.M., I made no suggestion that it wasn&#039;t a crappy wage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.M., I made no suggestion that it wasn&#8217;t a crappy wage.</p>
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