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On the other hand creationists say women developed by being cloned from a man’s rib.
Gene For Sexual Switching In Melons Provides Clues To Evolution Of Sex
ScienceDaily (Aug. 8, 2008) — A newly discovered function for a hormone in melons suggests it plays a role in how sexual systems evolve in plants. The study, conducted by French and American scientists, appeared recently in the journal Science.
Scientists from several French institutions, led by Abdel Bendahmane of the National Institute for Agricultural Research (INRA), isolated the melon sex determination gene and determined its function. As part of this collaborative effort, New York University biologists Jonathan Flowers and Michael Purugganan, who are part of NYU’s Center for Genomics and Systems Biology, conducted the evolutionary analysis of the study.
Because plants’ sexual systems are varied—species may possess various combinations of male, female, or hermaphrodite systems—their evolution has long been of interest to scientists. This is especially the case in melons, whose sexual system—andromonoecy—carries both male and bisexual flowers and appears to have evolved recently. In this study, the researchers sought to understand what determines the recent formation of melons’ new sexual system.
More at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080807144242.htm
So I’m not crazy,…KSN will show you “cloud seeding” tonight at 6.
There’s your global warming for you.
William Cohen stated that “we” can create earthquakes and that will change the face of war.
Playing God, bringing Revelation to a bunch of fools…daily.
But of course, KSN, like all MSM, will treat this cloud seeding as benign and beneficent.
BS.
The Green Hornet
Al Gore said the other day that “the future of human civilization” depends on giving up fossil fuels within a decade — and was acclaimed as a prophet by the political class. Obviously boring reality doesn’t count for much these days. Even so, when Barack Obama wheels out an energy agenda nearly as grandiose as Mr. Gore’s, shouldn’t it receive at least some media scrutiny?
On Monday, Mr. Obama said that the U.S. must “end the age of oil in our time,” with “real results by the end of my first term in office.” This, he said, will “take nothing less than a complete transformation of our economy.” Mark that one down as the understatement of the year. Maybe Mr. Obama really is the Green Hornet, or some other superhero of his current political myth.
The Senator calls for $150 billion over 10 years to achieve “energy independence,” with elevated subsidies for renewable alternatives and efficiency programs. He also says he’ll “leverage billions more in private capital to build a new energy economy,” euphemistically referring to his climate plan to tax and regulate greenhouse gases. Every President since Nixon has declared “energy independence,” as Mr. Obama noted. But this time, he says, things will change.
They won’t. And not because of “the old politics,” or whatever. Currently, alternative sources — wind, solar, biomass, hydroelectric and geothermal — provide less than 7% of yearly domestic consumption. Throw out hydro and geothermal, and it’s only 4%. For the foreseeable future, renewables simply cannot provide the scale and volume of energy needed to meet growing U.S. demand, which is expected to increase by 20% over the next two decades. Even with colossal taxpayer subsidies, renewables probably can’t even slow the rate of growth of carbon-based fuel consumption, much less replace it.
Take wind power, which has grown rapidly though still only provides about two-thirds of 1% of all U.S. electricity. The Energy Department optimistically calculates that ramping up merely to 20% by 2030 would require more than $2 trillion and turbines across the Midwest “wind corridor,” plus multiple offshore installations. And we’ll need a new “transmission superhighway system” of more than 12,000 miles of electric lines to connect the wind system to population centers. A mere $150 billion won’t cut it. Mr. Obama also didn’t mention that this wind power will be more expensive than traditional sources like coal.
Wind, too, is intermittent: It isn’t always blowing and can’t be accessed on demand when people need electricity. Since there’s no cost-effective way to store large amounts of electricity, wind requires “spinning reserve,” or nonalternative baseload power to avoid blackouts. That baseload power is now provided largely by coal, nuclear and natural gas, and wind can’t displace much. The same problem afflicts solar energy — now one-hundredth of 1% of net U.S. electric generation. One of the top uses of solar panels is to heat residential swimming pools.
Mr. Obama also says he wants to mandate that all new cars and trucks are “flexible fuel” vehicles, meaning that they can run on higher concentrations of corn ethanol mixed with gasoline, or second-generation biofuels if those ever come onto the market. Like wind and solar, this would present major land use problems: According to credible estimates, land areas larger than the size of Texas would need to be planted with fuel feedstocks to displace just half the oil America imports every day. Meanwhile, the economic distortions caused by corn ethanol — such as higher food prices — have been bad enough.
And yet there’s more miracle work to do. Mr. Obama promises to put at least one million plug-in electric vehicles on the road by 2015. That’s fine if consumers want to buy them. But even if technical battery problems are overcome, this would only lead to “fuel switching” — if cars don’t use gasoline, the energy still has to come from somewhere. And the cap-and-trade program also favored by Mr. Obama would effectively bar new coal plants, while new nuclear plants are only now being planned after a 30-year hiatus thanks to punishing regulations and lawsuits.
Problems like these are the reality of “alternative” energy, and they explain why every “energy independence” plan has faltered since the 1970s. But just because Mr. Obama’s plan is wildly unrealistic doesn’t mean that a program of vast new taxes, subsidies and mandates wouldn’t be destructive. The U.S. has a great deal invested in fossil fuels not because of a political conspiracy or because anyone worships carbon but because other sources of energy are, right now, inferior.
Consumption isn’t rising because of wastefulness. The U.S. produces more than twice as much GDP today per unit of energy as it did in the 1950s, yet energy use has risen threefold. That’s because energy use is tethered to growth, and the economy continues to innovate and expand. Mr. Obama seems to have other ideas.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121797838304214973.html
My point being, that I don’t have ANY trust for my loving government. And if they are modifying weather and tectonics, what else are they fu%#ing with? Are they dropping some crazy strain of flu down upon us? Worse?
I mean, we do have too many people in the world, right?
Get a chin strap for your little tin foil hat, Pleefer. It seems to be a little loose this morning.
http://www.bostondynamics.com/content/sec.php?section=BigDog
The age of oil will be ended in Obama’s time even if nothing is done. The wise thing to do is to plan for it. Not in mine though. I’m taking my Ford to the grave.
All you McCain “supporters” don’t any longer need to rely on statements like, “He has the “R” behind his name,” or “Well, he sure beats the alternative even tho I don’t know or can’t tell you why.” McCain’s web site offers sample comments AND you can win rewards! I haven’t checked to see if WEBlog qualifies — not only do you need to use the talking points provided but must post them on one of the listed sites.
Oh, btw, of course since Obama supporters are capable of thinking for themselves, and Obama has positives in character, policies and experience, the Obama campaign doesn’t have a comment program! Instead, he has actual enthusiastic supporters proud to share the merits of Obama with the knowledge that his election will be the reward!
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Win Points for McCain!
Activists and political operatives have used volunteers or paid staff to seed radio call-in shows or letters-to-the-editor pages for years, typically without disclosing the caller or letter writer’s connection to a candidate or cause. Like the fake grass for which the practice is named, such AstroTurf messages look as though they come from the grass roots but are ersatz.
McCain’s campaign has taken the same idea and given it an Internet-era twist. It also has taken the concept one step further.
People who sign up for McCain’s program receive reward points each time they place a favorable comment on one of the listed Web sites (subject to verification by McCain’s webmasters).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080603589.html
HEHEHEHE
Obama’s time? If he survives the convention (any body noticing that Hillary is asking for a floor vote?) his ‘time’ will end in November.
I mention the Club of Rome and Paul Ehrlich for proof of what they have in store for us, I don’t need you crazy, insane and plain ignorant Revelation, END OF THE WORLD Christians telling me that I can blame it on God. Yeah, it’s going to be the end of the world, for you dummies.
Don’t insult me, bro, I can play that game as well.
It takes a few rolls of foil to make a hat big enough to take any stock in that silly story written by men, claimed to be by GOD, to sit and wait for some old dude sitting in the clouds to come take you away in some rapture nonsense. Talk about crazy.
According to the state of Utah:
Cloud seeding had its beginnings in 1946 at the General Electric Research Laboratories in Schenectady, New York. Cloud seeding can assist nature in the formation of precipitation, with appropriate types and numbers of nuclei at the proper times and places. Cloud seeding projects have been carried out in over 20 countries
So, it has been going on for 62 years without problem. I don’t understand the ‘connection’ to global warming?
Yeah, that’s what I meant. I was trying to be “couth”
“Consumption isn’t rising because of wastefulness. ”
Oh of course it is and always has.
But moods are changing. Conspicuous consumption is falling out of fashion. It’s even becoming something to be despised.
Quite right, so it should.
“We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world, a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just W-hores for power and oil, but killer w-hores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us. No redeeming social value. Just w-hores. Get out of our way, or we’ll kill you. Who does vote for these dishonest $hitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us; they are the Ku Klux Klan. I pi$$ down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Phuck them.”
Hunter S Thompson
It’s called the Alcoa syndrome. Mass seeing of ionized particles interrupt the cloud physics causing downpours of Biblical proportions.
When Cornus sessilis or Salix lasiandra are added to the mix in powdered form, it literally rans cats and dogs.
Dr. Helios Ombria has developed a mixture that will cause it to rain in full sunshine. Old farmers gave it a nickname of “The Devil is beating his wife.”
Texas A&M researchers all of who belong to the fabis abstinete fraternity are working on adding hydrogen sulphide to a special mixture which will create ‘thunder farts.’
British Meteorologist Illian Winde doesn’t think much of the A&M experiments and says it will induce further Global Warming by concentrating methanes in areas where they shouldn’t be concentrated. Mr. Winde, of the Open Window Institute says he’s working on a more friendly “silent but effective” thunderstorm that will equilibriate cloud dynamics by low resonance vibrations beyond human hearing.
Sidney Gullee Washa of the American Meteorological association says we shouldn’t be doing anything as mother nature renders climate as a careful balancing act. He further stated “If the crik runs dry,” it was meant to be.
I think HLP has something there. If you recall, Hillary Clinton only said that she was suspending her campaign. She never really withdrew it completely. I have always believed that she was just waiting for her moment and when Obama went overseas he really blew it when he put down his own country. At first i was afraid it was going to be something worse like him getting assassinated but it seems as though he has done that to himself politically.
However, in my opinion, the democrats really have nothing to complain about. McCain isn’t really as conservative and republican as the right would want him to be. If you recall, there were a lot of democrats that voted in the early primaries for McCain just so they would vote out the more conservative republicans.
I myself have finally decided to vote for McCain. At first, I wasn’t going to vote at all but since the democrats, Obama or Clinton, whichever it may be, are so far to the left and extreme, I feel that I must vote for McCain just to vote against them.
Iraqi Officials Say Deal Close on Plan for U.S. Troops to Leave by October 2010
BAGHDAD — Iraq and the U.S. are near an agreement on all American combat troops leaving Iraq by October 2010, with the last soldiers out three years after that, two Iraqi officials told The Associated Press on Thursday. U.S. officials, however, insisted no dates had been agreed.
The proposed agreement calls for Americans to hand over parts of Baghdad’s Green Zone — where the U.S. Embassy is located — to the Iraqis by the end of 2008. It would also remove U.S. forces from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, according to the two senior officials, both close to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and familiar with the negotiations.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399402,00.html
Hunter S. Thompson, a real American. A patriot.
Albiet, a drunk and uber high patriot.
I bet this will be commercially available before ANWR is drilled
http://media.cleantech.com/1806/amyris-pulls-in-70m-for-unique-biofuel
September 19, 2007 – Exclusive
By David Ehrlich, Cleantech Group
Similar
* Amyris, Crystalsev in sugarcane biodiesel venture
* Amyris Biotechnologies evolving ethanol
* Virent’s biogasoline gets Big Oil backing
* Investors eat up algae and other fuels
* Making yeast beefier
The California startup says its bio-gasoline is compatible with regular car engines and can be used at very low temperatures.
Amyris Biotechnologies, which announced $70 million in Series B funding today, says it can make a biofuel that can run in regular car engines, not just diesel, and it can do it with current biofuel plant technology.
Unlike other cellulosic startups, Emeryville, Calif.-based Amyris, spun out from the University of California, Berkeley, in 2003, isn’t making ethanol.
“Our fuels are hydrocarbons. They’re designed, as closely as possible, to resemble components in current gasoline, in petroleum diesel, in jet fuel,” Neil Renninger, Sr. VP of development and co-founder of Amyris Biotechnologies, told Cleantech.com.
“We expect them to be able to be used at very, very high blends.”
Using synthetic biology, Amyris re-programs microbes to function as living factories for the environmentally-friendly production of high-value chemicals.
“We went about the process of identifying, if you had to start from first principals, what would you make as a biofuel?” said Renninger.
“Our skill set, what we bring, is the ability to engineer microbes to make hydrocarbons. That’s where our expertise lies. Changing the cellular metabolism, so that instead of, for example, making ethanol, our bugs make hydrocarbons,” he said.
Another company fiddling on the molecular level for biofuel is Laguna Hills, Calif.’s Coda Genomics. That company is working on making a more efficient yeast for the fermentation of sugar into ethanol (see Making yeast beefier).
Amyris, with just under 100 employees, and growing, has some high profile backers for its biofuel project, including Khosla Ventures and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. But Amyris is no stranger to high-profile funding.
It’s part of a nonprofit group developing an inexpensive anti-malaria drug that received a $42.6 million grant in 2004 from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Amyris said it converted a microbe known for its ability to make alcohol, such as yeast, into a chemical factory for artemisinin, a proven anti-malarial drug, for that project. The drug is expected to be produced next year.
Khosla, Kleiner and TPG put up $20 million in a Series A in October 2006 to support the company’s initial work on biofuels. This new round, led by Duff Ackerman & Goodrich Ventures, and including Khosla, Kleiner and TPG, will allow Amyris to take the next step.
“We’ll have a pilot plant that we hope will be operational late next year or early 2009,” said Renninger.
The company is still looking at locations for the plant, but has been talking to the state of Alabama and the state of California.
“We’re looking at on the order of 100,000 gallons per year, if we were running the facility flat out,” said Renninger.
The company probably won’t have to build it’s own plant, as Renninger said the company is designing its production systems to work effectively in today’s ethanol production infrastructure. He said they should be able to adapt current facilities to make their new biofuels.
Amyris expects to start pumping out its biodiesel commercially in late 2010 or early 2011, with its bio-gasoline following a year or two after that. And another year after that comes the company’s bio-jet fuel.
“We’re talking to a few potential customers,” said Renninger.
As for feedstocks, the company can take anything you can get sugar out of.
“Initially we’re focused on the cheapest, most greenhouse gas friendly feedstock possible, and right now that feedstock is sugarcane.”
And Amyris’ biofuel may not be just a green replacement for gasoline or diesel, it may be better.
“Our fuels have very impressive cold flow properties,” said Renninger. “It remains liquid down below minus 50 degrees Celsius,” he said of the company’s biodiesel.
With startups like BioEnergy International, as well as corn-ethanol giants like Poet and VeraSun, all getting into the biofuel game, Amyris could end up in a crowded market.
Oh, no, Pleefer, Frankenyeast!
Russia bombs Georgia-
“A senior Georgian security official said Russian jets had bombed the Vaziani military airbase outside the Georgian capital Tbilisi, and President Mikheil Saakashvili said 150 Russian tanks, armored personnel carriers and other vehicles had entered South Ossetia from neighboring Russia.
He also said Georgian forces had downed two Russian jets.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL768040420080808
“Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili says it is in the United States’ interest to help his country.”
“Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili says it is in the United States’ interest to help his country.”
Thanx, no. Our plate is a little full right now.
Sounds like we should invade Russia and overthrow the government…after all they DO possess WMDs and have no regard for human rights, either.
As far as global warming, the coral reefs are dying due to increased water temperatures. It’s a fact, Jack.
Our plate would overflow-ith if we went up against Russia.
FEAR
Let’s Have a War
There’s so many of us
There’s so many of us
There’s so many
There’s so many of us
There’s so many of us
There’s so many
Let’s have a war
So you can go and die!
Let’s have a war!
We could all use the money!
Let’s have a war!
We need the space!
Let’s have a war!
Clean out this place!
It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!
Let’s have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let’s have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let’s have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let’s have a war!
We’re like rats in a cage!
It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!
Let’s have a war!
Sell the rights to the networks!
Let’s have a war!
Let our wallets get fat like last time!
Let’s have a war!
Give guns to the queers!
Let’s have a war!
The enemy’s within!
It already started in the city!
Suburbia will be just as easy!
Oh come on, SolDevVB! What’s a little war between friends?
Oh come on, SolDevVB! What’s a little war between friends?
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I don’t want to learn Russian, they use funny letters.
I’m on the phone with Ahmadinejad, I’ll ask him…
Rising temps…
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hadcrut-jan08.png
Or not.
And again…
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/uah-monthly-anomaly-z.png
And again…
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/rss-msu-2007-2008-delta.png
I’m on the phone with Ahmadinejad, I’ll ask him…
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Tell him to lob a few missiles Russia’s way. Maybe that would keep Russia and Iran busy so we can get our sh*t straightened out.
I don’t want to learn Russian, they use funny letters.
But damn they make good vodka. Maybe after a few shots the language gets easier.
But damn they make good vodka. Maybe after a few shots the language gets easier.
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True dat, yo.
I have a hard enough time with Ebonics, learning Russian may put me over the edge.
Tell him to lob a few missiles Russia’s way.
No can do. they are bro’s, bro.
Don’t taze me bro !!!
No can do. they are bro’s, bro.
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Just tell Tom that it will bring on the end of the world…he likes that kind of stuff.
“As far as global warming, the coral reefs are dying due to increased water temperatures. It’s a fact, Jack” — Mary the whale shark rider.
Some dispute there Mary. Some say that overfishing has caused an explosion in the population of coral eating starfish, and that has caused the destruction of the reefs. The cause is the same, whatever. Too many using too much. We’re casting ourselves out of the garden. Makes me ill.
Reefs and Global Warming.
(BTW the Great Barrier Reef is growing in a different direction not declining)
Dr Gary Sharp, Scientific Director of the Center for Climate/Ocean Resource Study in Monterey Bay, California, makes a few good points regarding global warming and coral bleaching with particular reference to the Florida Keys in a recent article published by Tech Central Station titled, ‘Coral Bleaching: What (or Who) Dunnit?’:
1. Cold winters, not global warming, wiped out large areas of cold-sensitive corals in the Florida Keys in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
2. Coral reefs currently exists along a 6-7 degree temperature gradient so all the corals aren’t likely to die from a projected 2 degree celsius warming.
3. Sea surface temperatures are unlikely to increase by 2 degree celsius because the ocean responses to “excessive heating” through Deep Convection when the sea surface temperture exceeds about 27.5C.
Read the full article here:
Full Article here:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=042606B
Hoegh-Guldberg has found an attractive GW niche in the well established guild of GBR doomscryers. It has provided notoriety, acclaim and generous research support. Whether his prophesies will stand up to the reality test remains to be seen. Based on the track record of science based doomscrying his odds don’t look too good. In fact sheep’s entrails and tea leaves seem to produce better results, probably because they at least incorporate some element of intuitive judgment.”
Last year Walter wrote a review titled ‘Threats to the Great Barrier Reef’, published by the IPA.
Will Americans use the coming increases in meat prices to adopt healthier lifestyles? Will the budding increases in all foods, which are expected to outstrip inflation, finally cause Americans to reevaluate their diet and consume less meat?
Such a fundamental change in diet and food consumption could save the US billions in healthcare costs. In fact, if Americans could change to a healthier diet it would probably reorder the US healthcare system on a size and scale of the reordering Detroit is currently undergoing.
I guess we can keep our fingers crossed. :D
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Food Giants Race to Pass
Rising Costs to Shoppers
By SCOTT KILMAN
August 8, 2008; Page A1
“…During the first six months of 2008, the consumer-price index for food compiled by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics rose at a seasonally adjusted annualized rate of 6.8%, with retail prices of breakfast cereal, bakery products and cooking oil among the fastest climbers. That six-month inflation rate is far higher than anything U.S. consumers have had to stomach in 18 years.
In another measure, the cost of the groceries that the federal government suggests middle-class families buy to have healthy diets rose 8.6% in June compared with the same month a year earlier.
Michael Swanson, an economist at Wells Fargo & Co., thinks the food inflation rate could rise as high as 6% next year. Paul Prentice, president of Farm Sector Economics, Colorado Springs, Colo., said he expects retail food prices to rise about 7.5% in 2009.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture sees food prices climbing 4.5% to 5.5% this year and 4% to 5% in 2009. Even under this more conservative forecast, the average family of four would see its annual food costs hit $9,800 in 2009, up about $1,200 since 2006.
Meat is a big reason economists think food inflation has legs.
Grain is such a big part of the cost of raising livestock that many farmers big and small are losing money on every chicken, steer and hog they sell this summer. As a result, the livestock industry is beginning what could be its biggest contraction since 1982. By next year, the supply of beef, pork and poultry available to U.S. consumers is expected to shrink by five pounds per person, according to the Livestock Marketing Information Center in Denver.
Joe Jennings, who raises cattle with his brother near Lazbuddie, Texas, is shrinking his family’s feedlot operation to 2,000 cattle — half last year’s level and their smallest herd since the 1970s. The brothers have lost roughly $100 on some steers because the cost of fattening them on grain has climbed nearly 60% in two years.
“It is getting pretty precarious,” said Mr. Jennings, 60 years old.
Feedlots are buying fewer cattle from ranchers, who in turn are selling their breeding cows for slaughter, which means fewer calves in the future. James Mintert, a Kansas State University economist, expects the number of U.S. cattle to sink as low as 90 million by January 2010, down 6.7 million from January 2008.” …
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815511527422591.html?mod=hps_us_inside_today
Really great news! We will have the opportunity to hear from BOTH Clintons at the Democratic Convention later this month. I can’t think of a better way to everybody all excited and motivated than to hear from both those fine leaders AND Obama!
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News broke late on Thursday that Mr. Clinton had been offered a chance to address the convention on Aug. 27, before the speech of the vice presidential nominee, according to The Times’s Jeff Zeleny. That is the night after Mrs. Clinton is to deliver her speech at the gathering in Denver.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/the-early-word-clintons-at-the-convention/
Okay Hank, what is the story about the leak on the Houston?
“But damn they make good vodka. Maybe after a few shots the language gets easier.”
Dont forget the caviar. Beluga. Ummmmmmmmm……
Dont forget the caviar. Beluga. Ummmmmmmmm……
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BABY KILLER!!!!! :D
I wonder if it counts to do McSame talking points then refuting them in the next post?
BSHunter, like we really ever thought you’d not vote for Mcsame.
The One
FBI opens probe into drug raid, dogs’ deaths
Police say the couple appeared to be innocent victims of a scheme by two men to smuggle millions of dollars worth of marijuana by having it delivered to about a half-dozen unsuspecting recipients.
The two men under arrest include a FedEx deliveryman; investigators said the deliveryman would drop off a package outside a home, and the other man would come by a short time later and pick it up.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/08/fbi.opens.probe.ap/index.html
An energy plan I can get behind…
NEW YORK (CNN) — Call our politicians and tell them to stay on vacation. Call the caribou roaming in Alaska and tell them they’re safe. Call the Saudi king and tell him what you really think of his oil.
I, Glenn Beck, a recovering alcoholic rodeo clown, have come up with a solution to America’s energy crisis…and you’re wearing it.
Look at yourself right now. You’ve probably got on a shirt, socks, shoes, jewelry, maybe even some pants. Do you have any idea how much all of that weighs?
If people really loved America, they would strip down, leave their clothes at home, and drive around buck naked. That would decrease the weight of our cars, which would increase our gas mileage so dramatically that we probably wouldn’t have to drill for any new oil!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/07/beck.energy/index.html
106 mpg ‘air car’ creates buzz, questions
If people really loved America, they would strip down, leave their clothes at home, and drive around buck naked.
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Ah, I am way ahead of ya, Mr. Beck. However, vinyl seats pose a problem in the summer….
vinyl seats pose a problem in the summer….
Skin grafts help the economy. sheesh.
Ahh yesss… Glenn Beck, the self-admitted alcoholic and ADD sufferer, strikes with his sheer genius :roll: yet again!!
/sarcasm off
Georgia ‘under attack’ as Russian tanks roll in
…Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer issued a statement Friday saying he was seriously concerned about the recent events in the region…
Bet they are shakin in their boots now
Chas,
The self proven blog idiot strikes again. But he won’t admit it. You just try to make him.
The man beat alcohol dependence, and a ‘self proclaimed preacher’ belittles him for it. What a man you are chas, what a man of God you are.
In his new book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Vincent Bugliosi makes a devastating, well documented case that President George W. Bush is guilty of murder as a result of the lies he told to justify the invasion of Iraq.
As a Los Angeles prosecutor, Bugliosi represented the state in 105 major cases and won 104, including each of his 21 murder cases. Since his first book, Helter Skelter, he’s been one of the top true crime writers with three number one best sellers and numerous awards.
In his best known case, Bugliosi convicted Charles Manson of murder even though Manson was never at two of the crime scenes when the victims were murdered. Should Bush appear before a judge and jury charged with the murder of U.S. soldiers, Bugliosi is confident that he’s provided the arguments and evidence required for a first degree murder conviction.
Bugliosi’s argument is simple. Bush wanted a war with Iraq. He had to show that a preemptive invasion of Iraq was justified. To do this Iraq had to be an imminent threat to the United States. There were two major problems. Bush couldn’t prove any connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. More importantly, his own intelligence estimate found that the only scenario in which Saddam posed an imminent threat to the United States was through a preemptive attack on Iraq that threatened Saddam’s survival, i.e., the Bush proposal.
That was a minor obstacle. Bush cheated. He simply reversed the findings of the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) of 2002, classified the original document, and provided Congress with a doctored version to support his claims. By doing this, Bush pushed through an illegal invasion which he had to have known would cost U.S. lives. That, Bugliosi argues, is an act of murder committed against each and every U.S. soldier killed in the war.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00099.htm
SOL — Beck says every day he is a reformed alcoholic, and has ADD… What did I say that HE doesnt say DAILY about himself?? Geez…. you touchy today or what??
Lay off Chas’s profession, Sol.
Everytime he posts with a strong opinion you reich-wingers don’t like, you hit him with that “man of God” BS.
WWJD? He’d condemn you as the selfish, greedy bastards ye are.
Let Chas have his opinions without the personal pile-on.
And for those of you reich-wingers who supported and still support the Iraq War, history will judge you like it judges the good Nazis who supported their Fuhrer, “right or wrong.”
Political_mama
“BSHunter, like we really ever thought you’d not vote for Mcsame.”
Hey P_Mom, so typical of you dems to go and accuse someone of doing exactly what you do. It is the democrats who will vote for a democrat no matter who they are. I should know, I was raised a democrat and was a democrat until the Clintons came along.
I voted for Bill Clinton in his first term but I changed when he ran again, not as a republican either. It is almost impossible to vote for a republican when you have been told all your life that is the the democrat party that is for the people. Well, I found out that was a lie.
It is the democrat party that is saying that all other countries hate us. What a pack of lies. I have been to other countries, I was in the military. There may have been a few that didn’t like us, but there are lots who do. It is so foolish for the democrat party to hate its own country when there are a lot of foreigners that do like us. Why do you think they move here? We have freedoms that no other country has and you are foolish in their eyes and like spoiled brats. I suggest you talk to them instead of listening to your elitist leaders. You may find the truth.
Until the democrat party can come to its senses and quit trying to destroy this country, I will vote against them. And btw, those freedoms came from GOD, not from a piece of paper. And it is people like you in the democrat party who want to take away our freedom of religion; therefore, I cannot vote for the democrat party. If you do not like these freedoms that you were born to, you are free to move to any country you wish. Other countries don’t want their people to leave, you are lucky that you can. And if you really hate this country and what it stands for and you have the freedom to leave, then WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE????
Capn
MOVE ON.
Any of the 40 nation coalition who forced Saddam into the ceasfire agreement following Gulf War I had the legal right to overthrow him if he failed to live up to the conditions agreed to.
He did not.
We did.
And you have dickheads like Bugliosi wasting their lives away making a case thats mute.
Pathetic.
Besides, what does my profession have to do with my opinion of the lunatic Beck and his Radio and TV shows??
I have watched much less of CNN ever since they chose to put him and the ever bombastic Nancy Grace on back to back…
And I have never understood how the self-proclaimed Right Wingnut, Beck, allowed himself to be pimped out to what HE used to call, the Leftist CNN (until he went to work for them).
Try to wash the blood from your hands, CONs.
The child left motherless by a 500 pound bomb, the father holding the mutilated remains of his daughter, the family wiped out for the crime of not seeing a check point soon enough.
“Will all great Neptune’s ocean wash this blood Clean from my hand?
No; this my hand will rather
The multitudinous seas incarnadine,
Making the green one red”.
Heckler —- I believe the word you are looking for there is “moot” — not “mute”
Carry on….
Heckler wants us to forget our country’s involvement in the wanton murder of hundreds of thousands.
Well ain’t that a kick in the head.
SOL —-
Does Beck claim every day to be a reformed Alcoholic??? Does he claim every day to suffer from ADD???
How do you call those imbecilic claims???
Wasn’t Bugliosi accused of sheep buggery?
Sol–
Better be careful. You’ll have Regular climbing all over you for using “that kind of language.”
Oh, wait. I forgot, it’s only when libs use “that kind of language” that he gets all self-righteous.
You can attack imbecilic remarks all you want to. It’s the constant reference to Chas’s profession that bugs me. As if a pastor isn’t supposed to sound off about anything he sees as wrong . . .
Appalling, Regular, just appalling.
For seeming to care so much about “that kind of language,” you manage to create images of the most excerable imaginable.
You, sir, are a blackguard.
ALWAYS REMEMBER >>>>
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” minnehaha07 Sinclair Lewis quotes (American Writer, 1885-1951)
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/when-facism-comes-to-america-it-will-be-wrapped/411192.html
Incorrect, Sol.
Alcoholics are always alcoholics, whether they’re drinking or not.
Heh HEH
See solie melt down.
Capn
Inflate the numbers all you want. Whatever it takes to stoke the hate in your heart.
But think about this.
6 years ago a man who criticized the “government” of Iraq could look forward to a goon squad in the night to maybe gouge an eye out, chop off 4 or 5 fingers, and maybe gang rape his wife.
6 years later a man who criticizes the elected government officials battling over plans to share oil revenue between different parts of the nation might get screamed at. If he really ticks someone off he might even get spit in the face.
But that thought probably doesnt do anything to keep that hate simmering at an adequate rate does it.
SOL — What does an AA Member say when he/she stands to share their story???
“My name is _________ and I’m an ALCOHOLIC…”
There is NO SUCH THING as a “reformed” alcoholic…. I stuck that “reformed” word in there so you could understand….
Chas
mute is moot
very good
Thank you ever so much.
“Any of the 40 nation coalition who forced Saddam into the ceasfire agreement following Gulf War I had the legal right to overthrow him if he failed to live up to the conditions agreed to.”
And the Nazis had their legal justifications for Leibenstrom too . . .
You an alcoholic capn? Is Clark? I seem to remember him saying he liked to tip a few back. So would you refer to him as an alcoholic? I wouldn’t.
Is a man that drinks all day and all night an alcoholic? Would you refer to him that way? If the man busted his butt and got off the sauce, would you introduce him as ‘Jim, the alcoholic’?
I know you like to stick up for the village idiot capn, but even you can see F-Tard chas used that as an attack against the man. You can play semantics all you like, but you can’t take away the fact of what chas did.
Got $100 says he will never admit to it also. Anyone want some of that action?
With Chas around, there is a constant shortage of communion wine.
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CapnAmerica
Posted August 8, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink
Appalling, Regular, just appalling.
For seeming to care so much about “that kind of language,” you manage to create images of the most excerable imaginable.
You, sir, are a blackguard.
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Ah Crapn, I feel vituperated
…or not.
Capn
All that hate’s gonna eat your soul away to the point that come judgement day even the Devil won’t waste his time with you. Nothin be left but dried up bile.
SOL — It is very clear that you understand nothing about the nature of alcoholism… It is a disease…. And even if CapN, or I would not introduce “Jim the alcoholic” —- JIM WOULD!!
And BECK does so himself!!
You are taking something said about a hero of yours rather personally there solie.
Heh heh.
SOL — Exactly what is it that I am supposed to be guilty of??? Using Beck’s own words against him??? Thats probably the biggest joke of the day so far!!
REGULAR — most of the churches in my denomination do not use WINE for communion… It would be offensive to any alcoholics who come to the Altar for the Means of Grace…
blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-88-2/#comment-397942
SOL — Beck says every day he is a reformed alcoholic
blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-88-2/#comment-397956
Does Beck claim every day to be a reformed Alcoholic???
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blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-88-2/#comment-397969
There is NO SUCH THING as a “reformed” alcoholic
I think lab-monkey is putting on a show for us. No one can be this stupid.
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Chas
Posted August 8, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
SOL — Exactly what is it that I am supposed to be guilty of??? Using Beck’s own words against him??? Thats probably the biggest joke of the day so far!!
REGULAR — most of the churches in my denomination do not use WINE for communion… It would be offensive to any alcoholics who come to the Altar for the Means of Grace…
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Welches or Mr. Fizzy?
Sol?? your the one who brought up the fact that Beck’s a alcoholic, and he does bring it up on his show quite a bit. Also I dont think hes a Libertarian, he has them on his show and agrees with them on certain issues, but is also highly critical on other core issues, the border, drugs, Iraq, comes to mind,
Correction: Lebensraum Living room/space
SOL — Hate??? NO… Throwing Beck’s own self proclaimed truth in his face?? YEP!!
You have the audacity to bitch at me about hate??? Look at your own posts denigrating ME and my profession…. My profession has NOTHING to do with when I see a vile, hate-filled Talk show host, spewing his LIES….
(skirt) missed the damn R key.
Hey stroke boy, when does the CAPS fest start?
The seas are warmer than in the 80’s, it does no good to show the short term temps, because they often rise and dip.
I saw brown sea fans that should have been purple, the almost complete demise of the blue bell tunicates, azure sponges that were turning brown instead of staying brilliant blue…things had changed dramatically since I was there 5 years ago. The sea itself was so warm, I never even wore a wetsuit, even with 3-4 dives per day. That’s not “overfishing” at work..it’s increased water temp due to overall global warming. What else could make the water so warm that the reefs are dying?
They sure as heck don’t use wine in Regular’s church either.
So . . . he’s mocking himself, assuming that he actually goes to church as he says he does . . .
SOL —- ONE MORE TIME…. Read slowly —-
There IS no such thing as a “reformed” alcoholic…. I put that word in there so YOU would understand it….
I guess I was wrong… You didnt understand it…
As long as BECK calls himself an Alcoholic, I guess I will too!! The term used by alcoholics is NOT “reformed” —- They talk in terms of the length of their sobriety… Try using the right words, Sol…
The sea itself was so warm, I never even wore a wetsuit
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It’s the Caribbean.
blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-88-2/#comment-397931
“I, Glenn Beck, a recovering alcoholic”
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http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-88-2/#comment-397936
Chas
Posted August 8, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
Ahh yesss… Glenn Beck, the self-admitted alcoholic
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Y’all too ignorant to see the difference? Your bad.
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Chas,
a vile, hate-filled Talk show host, spewing his LIES….
Back it up. Prove it.
Got another $100 says lab-monkey can’t do that either. Any takers?
Tom Paine….
BECK will also be starting his favorite weekly bigot game soon…. MORON TRIVIA…. The game where he calls up C-Stores in the cities where an NFL game will be played… and asks stupid questions of the clerks who answer the phones….
His HOPE is that he gets a Clerk on the phone who speaks little, or badly broken, English, so he can poke fun at them….
And HE thinks it’s great fun!!
You can call it “hate” if it makes you feel better, Heckler.
I call it working for justice.
The vast majority of good Nazis didn’t participate in their country’s horrific terror campaigns, they just quietly paid their taxes and said, “I can’t do anything about it.”
The question is not how that one man [Hitler] could be so evil but that how so many had not the courage to be good.
- Elie Wiesel
SOL — Just listen to his stupid show… He proves it himself daily…. He just isnt quite as bad as Michael Savage… or Mark Levin…. ALMOST…. but not quite….
Capn’A lovingly equates the USA to Nazi Germany….nice.
Ya GOTTA love Canada….
Controversial U.S. church group stopped at border
Paul Gackle, Winnipeg Free Press
Published: Thursday, August 07, 2008
WINNIPEG — Residents rallied Thursday to protect the family of a young man murdered on a Greyhound bus last week from a posse of radical religious protesters planning to portray Tim McLean’s death as God’s wrath.
Earlier this week, the Westboro Baptist Church – an organization branded as a hate group and infamous for protesting the funerals of slain U.S. soldiers – announced they would picket Mr. McLean’s funeral to let Canadians know that his decapitation was God’s response to Canadian policies enabling abortion, homosexuality and adultery.
But Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of church’s founder, Fred Phelps, said a small group of protesters was stopped at the Canada-U.S. border on Thursday afternoon.
“They won’t let us in, but we have a group that will cross in another spot,” she said. “They’ll have to strip search everyone who crosses that border or they won’t know who we are. They’ll have to see the WBC (Westboro Baptist Church) tattoo on our butts” …
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=707624
I wonder what the phelps kids will say when they write their “How I spent my summer vacation” essay…
Capn
“I call it working for justice.”
Try rooting your efforts a little more in reality then.
Capn
…if you wish to be taken seriously.
SOL — Beck’s BIGGEST lie is getting paid by the very Liberals he claims to detest!!
What more proof can be offered than that??
“They won’t let us in, but we have a group that will cross in another spot,” she said. “They’ll have to strip search everyone who crosses that border or they won’t know who we are. They’ll have to see the WBC (Westboro Baptist Church) tattoo on our butts”
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Can we drop these loons in an Afghan village and be done with them?
Buligosi: Ican tell you that if the case went to trial, the central, overriding issue at Bush’s trial, would be whether or not he took this nation to war in self defense as he claimed he did: that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and therefore he was an imminent threat to the security of this country, so we had to strike first in self defense.
If Bush could prove this that would be his defense. The prosecution has the burden of showing that he did not act in self defense. But if the evidence showed that he did act in self defense, that would be a legal justification for all of the deaths during the war in Iraq.
If the prosecutor, on the other hand, could prove that he did not act in self defense and he took the nation to war under false pretenses, then all of the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq would become unlawful killings. All of those killings would become unlawful killings and therefore murder.
. . . .
As I testified before Congress, I have documentary evidence that when George Bush told the nation on the evening of October 7, 2002, that Hussein was an imminent threat to the security of this country, he was telling millions of unsuspecting Americans the exact opposite of what his own CIA had told him just six days earlier in a classified report on October 1 — that Hussein was not an imminent threat. That classified report was the National Intelligence Estimate of 2002. But it even gets worse than this. On October 4, three days after the October 1 classified report, the Bush administration put out an unclassified summary version of the classified report so they could give it to Congress and the American people. This unclassified version came to be known as the White Paper, and in this White Paper the conclusion of U.S. intelligence that Hussein was not an imminent threat to the security of this country was completely deleted.
Can we drop these loons in an Afghan village and be done with them?
I’ll second that.
The Jews must feel the same as the Capn’, you know since we’ve burned up a few million of them.
And where was Old Rubberstamp Roberts as Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee while Commander Cod Piece was lying us into war?
He’s in a position to know and what does he do?
He leads the chant, “seig heil.”
Someone or something torched some buildings on the Phelps compound, somehow I dont see the Topeka FD wasting a lot of time figuring it out even if it is arson
SOL — You want me to admit to a blatant attack on Glenn Beck???
OK… Sure, I will admit to that….
I thought that was obvious…. So, how come you got your panties all in a wad over me attacking Beck??? You his resident shill in Michigan??? Or what??
Anti–
I see your name and I scroll right over your posts.
Too bad the BLOG doesn’t have an ignore feature so people you don’t want to read are no longer seen by the user.
Maybe if Hank Price suggests it to the editors, they’ll do it, (since they ignored our pleas for registration until HE suggested it, heh).
Maybe the Phelps Clan torched their own compound looking for sympathy, TomPaine…
Just saying…..
Capn, you are only denying the severity of Jewish tragedy by comparing the USA to Nazi Germany.
Chas, I’m with you.
Beck is like a deoderized version of Limbaugh. They even look alike.
I can’t stand the sound of his voice.
He’s the pundit who tells conventional thinkers that their conventional view of the world is just alright.
In other words, he panders to the dumb by telling them that dumb is right.
Same as Limbaugh.
Vincent Bugliosi’s Misnamed Reclaiming History
by David R. Wrone, 28 Sep 2007
No doubt, Bugliosi’s book will end up in flames likes his previous book, “Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.”
In the forty four years of sustained discussion about the official findings of the federal government’s investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy no author can equal the failure Vincent Bugliosi has achieved in his misnamed Reclaiming History. Invented facts & relations. A characteristic of his narrative is the frequent use of hypothetical instances as a substitute for a lack of evidence or absence of documentary support for a statement. These he typically expresses with such phrases as “probably” or “must have” and similar wordage. In other words, when no or scant evidence exists to sustain a point he is writing about, he makes it up.
You want me to admit to a blatant attack on Glenn Beck???
OK… Sure, I will admit to that….
So chas attacks those that have beaten the alcohol demon. How proud you must be.
At least you grew a little of your nuts back and admitted it. Still waiting on the hate filled lies. Gave you a link to his show. You can find transcripts for about 90% of his live broadcasts there. Good hunting.
a question about the Phelps, as many people know a good chunk of the Phelps family work for the state of Kansas, now how is it that they can miss so much work always going around the county protesting and not get fired, I dont know the states benefits but would imagine that you only get a few weeks a year in vacation
De-odarized?
Yes, that looks correct now . . .
I’m not going to argue with you Mary, you were there and I wasn’t. I’m just a costal snorkler anyway, and I’ve never worn a wet suit anywhere. However, a lot of the reef die-off in Australia has been shown to be due to overfishing.
To the Dr. Pepper tune:
ask any Nazi and they’ll say “only a Nazi behaves that way”
i’m a Nazi, he’s a Nazi, she’s a Nazi, we’re all Nazis, wouldn’t you like to be a Nazi too?
be a Nazi think like a Nazi! come on! (x4)
I seem to have opened the phloodgates to the pent up desire to use the ph-word.
Chas, if the Phelps burnt their own stuff then it would be worth finding out and putting them in jail for arson.
I’ve never listened to Nancy Grace or Glenn Beck any longer than it takes me to change the channel. Same goes for Mr. Bush. I suggest you people do the same, if you don’t like those shows. I blocked Fox eight years ago.
Capn, its “deodorized”.
At least remembering the start of WW3 will be easy to remember in the future. 8-8-8, Russia invades Georgia.
Russian tanks rolling into town, shooting civilians…awesome! Just what the Neo-Cons have always wanted! Happy Birthday guys!
Just what the Neo-Cons have always wanted! Happy Birthday guys!
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Yes, because as we all know, war with Russia will be a good thing…..jeeez us!
They said they would attack if the missles came into Georgia. Looks like they made good.
SOL —
What bigger LIE could you ask for, than for Beck to constantly denigrate the Liberal Media, and then laugh all the way to the bank with his check from CNN??? ROFL
Get on the right page, ok??
Now, do I watch war or the Olympics…tough one.
ALSO —-
I already posted about his weekly bigot game he calls Moron Trivia….
What bigger LIE could you ask for,
So you still have nuthin. Got it.
Moron Trivia
And that is a lie how?
(from the LA Times):
Anthrax investigation should be investigated, congressmen say
Sen. Charles Grassley and Rep. Rush Holt want hearings into the Justice Department and FBI’s handling of the case.
By Josh Meyer, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 8, 2008
WASHINGTON — After seven long years, the FBI and the Justice Department say they are closing the books on the anthrax investigation.
But the investigation into the investigation is only beginning, and it will focus on what Congress members described Thursday as apparent missteps by authorities that dramatically prolonged the probe, unfairly maligned an innocent government scientist, and raised questions about whether federal agents had conclusively ruled out other suspects besides microbiologist Bruce E. Ivins.
Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and Rep. Rush D. Holt (D-N.J.), frequent critics of the FBI, demanded a far more detailed release of documents by the bureau and the Justice Department to support the government’s case, as well as congressional hearings into the investigation.
Grassley sent a three-page letter Thursday evening to Atty. Gen. Michael B. Mukasey and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III, giving them two weeks to respond to 18 questions that raised concerns about virtually every aspect of the probe.
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Strangely, none of Ivins’s colleagues who are the best position to know think that he could have done it. They point out that they don’t use dry spores at USAMRIID, and he couldn’t have weaponized the anthrax alone without anyone’s knowledge.
As far as the all-too convenient suicide, he may have been depressed and paranoid. He may have responded with suicide because he didn’t want some other embarrassing knowledge to come out at trial, like he was having an affair, say. He may have just cracked under constant FBI harrassment, which is their preferred method of investigation rather than actual forensic police work.
If the prosecutors can’t place Ivins at the well-established mail drops within a narrow window of time, they got nothing. And so far, they haven’t.
All he needs is proof that he couldn’t have been where the anthrax mailer must have been (at that time) for their case to completely fall apart.
Watch the olympics on the commercials for the war. Sheesh.
Moron Trivia….
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That gets a giggle out of me every time!
Avtolle–
Ah ha! Thanks.
I hate those “spelling demons.” Took me about ten years to spell “their” correctly.
Moron Trivia
What a human travisty…
http://www.morontrivia.com/playbyplay.php?gid=258
Boy, chas is taking quite a while hunting down one little lie. Since Beck lies daily on his shows, it would seem easy for poor little chas to find just one. Hmmm.
SOL — In order to get to the transcripts of the daily shows, one has to be a PAID subscriber… I am not going to PAY any money to show you any of Beck’s LIES….
Got it???
However…. here is a link to a bunch of Beck’s LIES and false statements…. both on Radio, and on TV….
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/glenn_beck
Well, lets see…..
Bush says America does not torture….Then we must not be in America anymore, Toto !
McCain, who claimed to have been tortured as a POW in North Vietnam, says a lot of the right things. “We do not torture people,” he said in a 2007 Republican debate. “It’s not about the terrorists; it’s about us. It’s about what kind of country we are.” He used his Vietnam experience against fellow Republicans, bullying Congress into passing a law banning torture against detainees held by the military.
Bush signed McCain’s bill in late 2005, saying it “is to make it clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we adhere to the international convention of torture, whether it be here at home or abroad.”
Al-Qaida: Terror suspect says she was secretly detained and tortured for years by US
The Guardian,
Friday August 8 2008
A Pakistani woman charged with attacking US army officers in Afghanistan last month has told her lawyer that she was in US custody for years, despite claims that she was only arrested last month.
Aafia Siddiqui, who is accused of being a key al-Qaida operative, disappeared five years ago. Now being detained in New York, she said she had been held elsewhere for years and was tortured.
Her US lawyer, Elaine Sharp, who interviewed her for three hours on Wednesday, said her description of the place she was detained meant it could only be Bagram, the US base in Afghanistan.
“The abuse was horrendous, it was physical, as well as psychological. It was torture,” Sharp said. “When you’re locked up in such a place and treated so horrifically, they don’t exactly give you a calendar, but she says it was a very long time, years for sure … They [her captors] were Americans, there’s no doubt about it.”
While Sharp declined to give details of the alleged abuse, Siddiqui’s sister, Fauzia, told a press conference yesterday in Islamabad that Siddiqui had been “raped repeatedly”. Sharp said Siddiqui was not getting proper treatment for a bullet wound, which may have gone septic.
The lawyer suggested it was the impending US election, that led the authorities to put Siddiqui on trial through the regular criminal courts, rather than sending her to Guantánamo, where almost all other al-Qaida suspects have been held.
CNN Headline News’ Glenn Beck on Obama: “[T]his guy really is a Marxist”
That would be true.
Beck inflated estimated ANWR oil production by nearly 7,000 percent
There is a 95% probability of being able to technically recover 4.254 billion barrels of oil, and a 5% probability of recovering 11.8 billion barrels of oil. The mean expected estimate is of being able to technically recover 7.7 billion barrels of oil.
http://www.sibelle.info/oped15.htm
Confronted on GMA with “stereotypical bitch” statement about Clinton, Beck said “probably a better word was ‘nag’ ”
And?
Beck apologized for airing portion of Bill Clinton speech “out of context”
O….K…???
Beck revived falsehood that Bill Clinton said, “We’ve got to slow down our economy” to fight global warming
Clinton did say that.
On CNN’s Glenn Beck, Coulter asked if Obama is “a Manchurian candidate”
And Beck lied where?
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That all you got chas?
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And chas, I know you are mentally challenged, but clicking on the links and reading transcripts is free. Damn you’re dumb.
EDITORS
When will we get a thread on Obama going negative in his campaign?
What about Pelosi and here miserable book sales?
How about throwing us Conservatives a bone? I know you are biased, but you could at least pretend like you are trying not to be.
Sol those are horrendous things for Beck to say. And no they are not true.
LOL. like what?
Pelosi’s book sales you mean like those right wing books that are trumped up so they make the best seller lists?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/books/07cons.html?ex=1352091600&en=ee37f9bbfe3bf306&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
If Obama goes negative, its about time. I’m tired of watching the dems sit back and get splatted with lies and innuendo from the right while we try to be nice. I say, you punch me, I’m going to take you out.
Do you watch the olympics…after the Chinese asked American athelets to apologize for wearing masks over their face to filter out the smog?
Boycott the olympics. Don’t support human rights abuses.
You mean books like this P_Mom?
The Revolution: A Manifesto (Hardcover)
by Ron Paul
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #129 in Books
http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519
Clinton’s actual quote:
CLINTON: And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties [sic] — would say, “OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.” We could do that. But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.
And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She’ll give it to you. She’s got the right energy plan.
Beck’s false characterization of Clinton’s quote as “We’ve got to slow down our economy” echoes the original headline of Tapper’s January 31 blog post: “Bill: ‘We just have to slow down our economy’ to fight global warming.”
http://mediamatters.org/items/200805210011
I’m no great fan of Bill Clinton, but I’m even less of a fan of shallow propagandists who casually misrepresent the truth.
And I remain amazed that anyone can take someone as cartoonish as Glenn Beck seriously.
More on Beck >>>>
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/7/124036/9249/560/510985
So Sol, do you watch Glenn Beck? What do you do when you see Nancy Grace.
I don’t usually get to catch Beck on CNN. I catch part of his radio show on the way home.
Had to google Nancy Grace. Can’t say as I care for her. Don’t know her opinions, but her voice grates on me.
Chas the ignorant,
The first clip is poking fun at how overly PC some people have become. You are one of them.
The second one, she had test scores too low to get into the school, but she got in anyway. Why? Same thing with law school. Why did she get in?
What is your point?
i>Don’t know her opinions, but her voice grates on me.
And yet you take Beck’s simple-minded, melodramatic blather seriously?
Please tell me you’re joking.
P.S. Sol, Nancy Grace is the law-enforcement equivalent of Lou Dobbs on immigration, or Glenn Beck on pretty much anything. She regularly features some heineous crime plucked from the headlines, presumes the guilt of the accused, and spends an hour ranting about how horrible it is, and what we need to do about it.
Being a Libertarian, you wouldn’t like her extreme statist mentality, but, that aside, she and Beck would make a nice couple.
chas,
Here is a link to today’s show. It is free. The transcript is there. Since Beck spews vile lies daily, please cut&paste.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/13623/
And from your previous post, since you seem to have a problem with anyone bringing up race, what is your stand on Jackson dropping the n-bomb on Obama? That would be Rainbow Jackson, the one that makes MILLIONS teaching people tollerence.
Nathaniel
Posted August 8, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
EDITORS
When will we get a thread on Obama going negative in his campaign?
What about Pelosi and here miserable book sales?
How about throwing us Conservatives a bone? I know you are biased, but you could at least pretend like you are trying not to be.”
isn’t this the – Open Thread – ?
If you want to write about Obama and Pelosi, go for it.
You could mock up what you would write about them if you were on the Eagle staff and post it here for us all to read and comment on.
The TAPS has a maximum thruput of 2 million barrels a day. Are oil companies going to build 49 additional pipelines?
‘Beck inflated estimated ANWR oil production by nearly 7,000 percent’
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806180007
“BECK: And this is really too bad, since drilling in ANWR alone would yield 100 million barrels a day.”
SolDevVB,
Apparently you missed the memo. Chas is always right. It doesn’t matter how many links you have, how much proof you have, or how many times you can prove Chas wrong. He is still right.
And even if he isn’t right, he didn’t say what you are arguing against.
And yet you take Beck’s simple-minded, melodramatic blather
Example?
Do I take Beck seriously? Guess that depends. His show is for entertainment. He does have relevant topics that I might not have heard about yet. I do not take what he says and blindly accept it as fact.
Being serious, did that answer your question?
She regularly features some heineous crime plucked from the headlines
Doesn’t sound like my speed. Probably why I don’t listen to her.
he didn’t say what you are arguing against.
True dat
You Repub. “Oil price is determined by supply/demand” folks, must be feeling a little foolish about now. Just heard on cnbc over all there has been no decrease in demand. But prices continue to tumble.
You’ve been had!(again).
Georgia fired the first shot (with the help of American Special Forces).
Nat,
I do however have to give chas props. He did admit to attacking someone because they overcame an alcohol addiction.
And yet you take Beck’s simple-minded, melodramatic blather seriously?
Example?
I guess you need to read your own posts.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-88-2/#comment-398088
Georgia fired the first shot
Linkie poo?
I agree with what he said. Not neccisarily with his guests though.
I think Obama is a Marxist and Hillary is a nag (or bitch, whichever you prefer)
And, those are opinions.
You Repub. “Oil price is determined by supply/demand” folks, must be feeling a little foolish about now. Just heard on cnbc over all there has been no decrease in demand. But prices continue to tumble. You’ve been had!(again).
And looking at the supply side, if we’re so short of gasoline, how is it that’s there’s gas to give away?
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=shell+%22free+gas&btnG=Search+News
Hey, try this one!:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&nolr=1&q=+%22free+gas&btnG=Search
SolDevVB
Posted August 8, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
“I think Obama is a Marxist”
Groucho, Harpo or Zeppo?
I could probably arrange a tank of free gas if someone would wash and detail my car for me.
Another tank of free gas if someone can polish my, ah,
. shoes and iron some shirt.
Groucho, Harpo or Zeppo?
Actually, I heard that was he was a follower of Lennon (no word on McCartney).
Nathaniel
Posted August 8, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB,
Apparently you missed the memo. Chas is always right. It doesn’t matter how many links you have, how much proof you have, or how many times you can prove Chas wrong. He is still right.
And even if he isn’t right, he didn’t say what you are arguing against.
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Nathan- It sounds like you have something in common with Chas!
“Phantom
Posted August 8, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
You Repub. “Oil price is determined by supply/demand” folks, must be feeling a little foolish about now. Just heard on cnbc over all there has been no decrease in demand. But prices continue to tumble.
You’ve been had!(again).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand
Don’t forget that the timing of reactions to changes in demand or price does not have to be immediate.
I wonder what SquarePeg is up to these days….Chas?
SOL — from your link —- NOT today’s show, however…..
HERE Beck is making fun of the tire gauge situation…. Yesterday it was posted on the Blog that inflating tires properly DOES in fact, save fuel consumption…. But, here is Beck, claiming that it doesnt….
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/13585/?ck=1
Now, if you want to claim that he is NOT flaming against Obama, and Obama’s factual advice to properly inflate tires, then be my guest….
It still wont make Beck right…. That would make Beck a liar on tire pressure….
BTW, that link above was made available on August 7 —- Today would be August 8….
Subscriber Area – The Insider
Today’s Show Audio Most Popular Audio
Hour 1 – Mamma Mia and Stu… "Super Bowl" tickets… Gas prices… Battle of the Headlines… Organ guy…
Hour 2 – Guest John Hoffmeister, ex-president of Shell… Arguments against Idiots…
Hour 3 – Roots of Modern Liberalism… Mamma Mia and Stu… Author Brad Thor… Stu gets his tickets…
Full Show
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SOL — Is there something about SUBSCRIBER AREA that you dont understand??
SUBSCRIBERS pay for using this area….. They are called “Insiders” on the show…
Iraq pull out time table; gas prices falling, and election right around the corner. Un milagro.
Dollar on the rise.
FULL link to the above >>>>
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/radio/
Desperate attempt to neutralize (temporarily) the strongest arguments for throwing these bums out!
Get fuel down, and the public gets lulled into a false sense of ‘everything’s getting better’, like last time oil mysteriously fell and gas was cheaper a few months before election.
Then for the nex 3 yrs. you pay the piper! Strange how that works.
That would make Beck a liar on tire pressure….
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Do you read the links you post? How is Beck a liar about tire pressure Rev. Lab Monkey?
actually probably? Come on Rev. Lab Monkey
Chas is the little boy who cried wolf.
Democrats never lie.
Democrats never lie.
Democrats never lie.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1
“Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 44-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her.”
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Oh! Well, that makes it OK to cheat on your wife with cancer, as long as you didn’t love Hunter…
maybe his wife was OK and encouraging of it.
maybe his wife was OK and encouraging of it.
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Most wives encourage that kind of thing…..LOL
John Edwards
“Hair today, gone tomorrow.”
Capn,
You are dead on. I am a recovering alcoholic and as as long as I dont drink I will continue to be recovering. There is no such thing as a recovered alcoholic,recovery is a process that encompasses your daily life and actions. The only time you are recovered is when you are dead
“Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic, and drug addict. [6] In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used “Dr. Jack Daniels” and heavy drugs to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck#Personal_life
Chas
Posted August 8, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
“Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic, and drug addict. [6] In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used “Dr. Jack Daniels” and heavy drugs to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.”
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So is being a reformed alcoholic is a bad thing Chas?
Or is there something you wish to describe when measuring people up wo to your standards?
Freebird…we have a mutual friend!
Isn’t Edwards just a private citizen and a former political candidate and former legislator?
A love affair? Is this all they have to fight with? How petty. How irrelevant.
“DavidB
Posted August 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
…A love affair? Is this all they have to fight with? How petty. How irrelevant.”
AMEN!
Besides, isn’t having affairs de rigueur in Washington?
Edwards Admits Sexual Affair; Lied as Presidential Candidate
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1
“John Edwards repeatedly lied during his Presidential campaign about an extramarital affair with a novice filmmaker, the former Senator admitted to ABC News today.”
Hey this must be Edward’s role model from wiki
Newt Gingrich has been married three times. He married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old (she was seven years his senior at 26 years old).[6][7] After an alleged affair in 1977 with Ann Manning, then the wife of a West Georgia professor, he sought a divorce from Battley. That was finalized in 1981. Gingrich refused to pay both alimony and child support. The local First Baptist church took up collections for support of Jackie and their children.[8] In 1981, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther,[9] to whom he remained married until 2000, the same year Gingrich had an affair with a then 33-year-old Congressional staffer, Callista Bisek. He and Bisek were married in 2000 and currently reside in Virginia. Gingrich has two daughters, Kathy and Jackie from his marriage to Jackie Battley, two sons-in-law and two grandchildren.[10]
Although college peers noted Gingrich’s preference to discuss politics more than his personal life,[11] Gingrich’s personal life has been the subject of much attention from both the media and his political opponents over the years. In 1992, his Democratic opponent, Tony Center, ran an ad claiming that Gingrich had “delivered divorce papers to his wife the day after her cancer operation,” which was not true, although friends have acknowledged that he discussed divorce terms with his estranged wife while visiting her in the hospital.[12]
annie_moose, maybe his wife was OK and encouraging of it.
Bill W ?
The media should have run with the story after Edwards wife dies. Seems kind of cruel and unnecessary.
a-yep.
Dunno, Phantom; it appears Edwards has taped a segment of a show on ABC tonight where this all came out. Hey, if one is going to admit to an affair, why not do it on a Friday, especially this particular Friday, with the Olympics opening, Russia and Georgia involved in military action (to clarify, the Republic of Georgia for those geographically impaired), so it won’t be the featured media item all weekend, and it’s out of the way before the Democratic Party convention.
To Edwards credit at least he wasn’t doing it while prosecuting someone of a different party for what he had done or was currently doing.
Is Edwards running for something? Or is he a surrogate for ALL Democrats, I cannot see why someone cares to run with this ball.
Do Democrats want to admit to secret love affairs? No. So yes, they probably lie about it.
Is this the moral equivalent of lying to send a nation to war? Um…. your call…
If any reader here has never ever told lie, please feel free to throw the first stone at me.
Been a friend of his long? Me just 2 months
Good for you, FB!!! I met him 3-28-98. It amazes me how the days add up!!!
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
. . . from a draft of the new Democratic platform, reflecting Obamanation’s rabid, ruthless promotion of abortion mill profits through unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortions, including the partial-birth and live-birth abortions now banned by federal laws which he vows to discard, along with discarded restrictions enacted by state lawmakers
[The platform also falsely claims that public school condom classes and easy access to taxpayer-funded abortifacients (such as in school clinics) will reduce the “need” for abortions, whereas in fact, only cutting taxpayer funding for abortions and enacting restrictions for parental notification or consent for minor abortions has reduced the number of abortions.]
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Julie Reynolds, 36, a Colorado mother of six who is accused of smothering her newborn son to death and hiding the tiny naked body in a closet in July in Rancho Pensaquitos, CA, pleaded not guilty to murder and assault charges. She faces 25 years to life if convicted.
Officials say the 6-pound boy, who would have been Reynold’s seventh child by a fourth father, lived for about one day before being smothered by the mother’s left hand. An autopsy is pending.
Don’t click on this video link if you don’t want to watch Obama go back and forth on the surge and withdrawl.
This man will do or say whatever it takes at the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVy5REoiDJo&eurl=http://www.politickerpa.com/alexroarty/944/mccain-web-video-criticizes-obamas-flip-flops
“being smothered by the mother’s left hand”
wow that is specific.
I hope you stay friends with him a long time Freebird
There are a half a hundred reasons, from trade to Tibet, that we should have boycotted the Olympics in China.
But?
The opening ceremony they just put on?
Even on my small, old TV it was the most visually stunning thing I have ever seen.
It may be one of the most beautiful bits of theater in the history of this world.
THESE are the people who own our debt?
I don’t know if there was a message meant in this. But the one I got?
We better get our collective shit together.
That or learn to speak Chinese.
Citizens Academy Taking Applications
Date: August 8, 2008
Contact: Kelli Glassman, Neighborhood Assistant
E-mail: KGlassman@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 303-8007
The City of Wichita is looking for people who want to take an active role in local government and make a difference in the community. The Citizens Academy is an 8 week interactive program that educates participants about City functions and operations to help develop citizen leaders. The program includes informative presentations about various City departments as well as tours of City facilities.
The fall academy will take place Tuesday evenings from 6:30 to 9 p.m., Sept. 11 through Oct. 28, at various City facilities.
Those who would like to participate in the City of Wichita’s Citizens Academy must apply by Friday, August 29. The program is free and all are encouraged to submit applications. Applications are available by calling 303-8007 or visiting the City’s Web site at http://www.wichita.
While bush sits there all agawk, you can bet they’re rumaging through his stuff, and planting bugs.
ANTI
Posted August 8, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
I wonder what SquarePeg is up to these days….Chas?
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Huh???
SOL:
Beck revived falsehood that Bill Clinton said,
“We’ve got to slow down our economy” to fight global warming…”
Clinton did say that.
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NO… Clinton did NOT say that…
Clinton said:
CLINTON: And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties [sic] — would say, “OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.” We could do that. But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.
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Another BECK lie…. Looks like I waas right when I said Beck spews out lies…
Hmmmmm….. What does that make SOL’s attacks on me, and my profession, and all of his other hate speech today???
Makes SOL have a lack of credibility….
Good thing Beck knows Bill W…. Without knowing Bill W., no telling what kind of lies he might try to tell…. LOL
The Olympic opening ceremonies were truly astounding…. even if they were produced by the Chinese…. Maybe artistic talent is something that us universally HUMAN, and not something controllable by philosophies of governments…. and “politics”
Somehow, I think that is what the true spirit of the Olympics is all about…. For one brief moment in time, in that Olympic Stadium, there was a moment of world peace…. Under a flag representing “Planet Earth” and the symbolic Flame of World Unity…
The Five Circles on the Olympic Flag represent the “five continents”.
On 1 January 1901 the various Australian colonies formed a federation (on the lines of Canada) with a central government and, for most purposes, Australia became independent.
“The Olympic flag [...] has a white background, with five interlaced rings in the centre : blue, yellow, black, green and red [...] This design is symbolic ; it represents the five continents of the world, united by Olympism, while the six colours are those that appear on all the national flags of the world at the present time.” (1931) Textes choisis II, p.470.
The 1914 Congress had to be suspended due to the outbreak of World War I, but the flag and emblem were later adopted. They would first officially debut at the VIIth Olympiad in Antwerp, Belgium in 1920.
Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.
http://www.answers.com/topic/continent
Since Antarctica is not inhabited, and has no nations, There are FIVE rings on the Olympic Flag… symbolic of the United Planet.
Thanks the informative post Chas.
Editors?
Where is a a thread for the valiant union members fighting for rights at Hawker/Beechcraft?
My brother and sister are among them. I’ve been to the picket line.
Morale is high. Crossing the picket line is low.
These workers are fighting for better rights and working conditions.
IF they win, this will filter first down to the no union office workers….
and then into the community.
Give these courageous folks a thread. Let those who would oppose them and what they fight for demonstrate just what THEY are.
Have a good weekend, everybody!!
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Blessings on the Olympic Games!!
So mote it be!!
Jay, send the Editors an email with your request… ok??
“The sea itself was so warm, I never even wore a wetsuit
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It’s the Caribbean.”
I’ve dove in the Caribbean many times, it’s always cool enough that if you don’t wear a wet suit, you get cold after the first few dives. This was the first time I didn’t have to wear one at all. It was even warm at 115 ft below the surface.
Global warming is real…just ask anyone who makes their living studying the oceans.
The corals are dying at a very fast rate..it’s tragic.
I think the union workers who are striking should be grateful they have a job with benefits. They are a lot more fortunate than many folks right now. Where else can you earn a decent living and feed your family having a minimum of a high school education?
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
They have that pay and benefit by virtue of collective bargaining.
It aint corporate altruism.
They DIDN’T strike for 24 years. THAT got them to the station of being the lowest paid, worst treated aircraft workers in town.
“They DIDN’T strike for 24 years. THAT got them to the station of being the lowest paid, worst treated aircraft workers in town.”
And now they are getting paid NOTHING, that’s a lot less than what they could be earning on the job BlueJay in case you can’t figure that out.
They will never get back what they lose standing out there in the rain looking foolish and incompetent.