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Your daily dose of the undeniable fact of evolution. Creationists can put of facts supporting creationism the moment they appear (about the same time monkeys fly out of my butt).
Human Brains Pay A Price For Being Big
ScienceDaily (Aug. 4, 2008) — Metabolic changes responsible for the evolution of our unique cognitive abilities indicate that the brain may have been pushed to the limit of its capabilities. Research published today in BioMed Central’s open access journal Genome Biology adds weight to the theory that schizophrenia is a costly by-product of human brain evolution.
Philipp Khaitovich, from the Max-Planck-Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology and the Shanghai branch of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, led a collaboration of researchers from Cambridge, Leipzig and Shanghai who investigated brains from healthy and schizophrenic humans and compared them with chimpanzee and rhesus macaque brains. The researchers looked for differences in gene expression and metabolite concentrations and, as Khaitovich explains, “identified molecular mechanisms involved in the evolution of human cognitive abilities by combining biological data from two research directions: evolutionary and medical”.
More at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080804222910.htm
GREAT first post MP!
Morgan Freeman in ‘good spirits’
Oscar-winning actor Morgan Freeman is in “good spirits” after being injured in a serious car accident near his Mississippi home.
Mr Freeman’s spokeswoman says he has a broken arm, broken elbow and minor shoulder damage.
She said the 71-year-old Dark Knight star is expected to undergo surgery and to make a good recovery.
The accident happened shortly before midnight on Sunday outside Charleston in the Mississippi Delta.
Mr Freeman’s car ran off the side of the road and overturned several times, landing upright in a ditch.
Mr Freeman – who had been driving the car – and a female passenger were airlifted to Memphis’s Regional Medical Center, about 90 miles (145km) north of where the accident occurred in Tallahatchie County.
cont’d at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7542208.stm
What happened to Freeman’s passenger is apparently not important.
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beber
Posted August 5, 2008 at 6:26 am | Permalink
What happened to Freeman’s passenger is apparently not important.
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From the link
Neither Lee nor the hospital had information about the condition of the woman, Demaris Meter of Memphis.
hey beber….I am STILL waiting for your evidence/proof behind your ridiculous statement about how all cons want mass mandatory prayer in schools.
Care to take a stab at backing up that nonsense?
I voted.
http://www.texasgop.org/site/DocServer/FINAL_2008_PLATFORM.pdf
This is the 2008 Texas Republican Party platform some say this is the template for the national platform.
Some say McCain is not a conservative. If you follow this are you a conservative?
From Annie’s link…
Limited Federal Powers – We support state sovereignty reserved under the Tenth Amendment and oppose mandates beyond the scope of federal
authority.
We further support abolition of federal agencies involved in activities not originally delegated to the federal government under a strict interpretation of the Constitution.
Constitutional Citations on Legislation – We urge that all bills presented in Congress include citations to the authorizing constitutional provision, cost to implement, and impact on the family.
Law Enforcement – We:
• Support limitation of criminal jurisdiction of federal law-enforcement agencies in accordance with Article 1, Section 8 of the United States
Constitution.
• Understand most crime is local, and the states, reserve law enforcement authority under the Tenth Amendment.
• Oppose expansion of federal law-enforcement authority and use of military against citizens.
sounds good so far…
Now THAT was mature, beber. Nowhere have you given any verification to your statement that all cons want mass mandatory prayer.
Thank you for demonstrating what an immature, vulgar little jerk you really are.
Patriot Act – We urge review and revision of those portions of the USA Patriot Act, and related executive and military orders and directives that erode constitutional rights and essential liberties of citizens.
Continuity of Government – We oppose appointing members of Congress to fill large vacancies, depriving our right to elect our own
representatives.
Emergency War Powers – We charge the President to cancel the state of national emergency and charge Congress to repeal the War Powers Act and end our declared state of emergency.
Elimination of Executive Orders – We demand elimination of presidential authority to issue executive orders and other mandates lacking
congressional approval, as well as repeal of all previous executive orders and mandates.
Inter-jurisdictional Agreements – We oppose inter-jurisdictional agreements with any state that prevent the Governor from controlling the military, police, other emergency management personnel, and State of Texas resources. We call for repeal of all such measures.
Still sounding pretty good. Sounds like some Ron Paul folks made it in…
Raptor we went thru this yesterday…so tell you what….do a poll today on how many republicans favor school prayer.
We’ll consider that a good representation of the republican party.
Pmama….my point is his gross generalization with no basis in fact. When other people make grandiose statements without backup, they are called on it. I am just doing the same…with predictable results.
Beber
Your an idiot.
Pmom
I’m not positive, so check it out for yourself. The various Catholic schools in Wichita have a lot of students who are not Catholic. While there is prayer in class those students are not required to participate. And they are not required to attend chapel services.
Why would someone who is not Catholic want their child to attend a Catholic school? Discipline and strong moral values. Pretty simple.
What do you have against giving people a choice?
Just a little hard core science for you Ministers of Warming out there.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/
Still mighty quiet.
Did Jesus have a pet cat? Well screw him too.
Loosen the tinfoil.
Beber needs a whaaaaaambulance.
And a Lude.
You mean he didn’t have a cat? How about a dog, or a mistress, Sol?
“And a Lude.” — Heckler.
Do you have any extra in your stash to spare?
beber, cats and carpentry DO NOT go well together……I have the scars to prove it….
or a mistress, Sol?
I believe he was married to Mary Magdalene. My personal thoughts, not meant as a blanket statement for any group.
Senator Barack Obama addressed the issue of religious teachings in the public schools in June 2007 at the United Church of Christ in Hartford, CT. His speech was widely circulated and commented upon. He criticized the actions of Christian conservatives. “Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart.”
http://stephendsolomon.com/ellerysprotest/controversiesinpolitics.html
this documents numerous instances of Republican attempts to slip more religious teachings into public schools.
The Repub platforms usually call for voluntary prayer (whatever that means – one can talk to god anytime anywhere as it IS, so I am told…).
“I’m not positive, so check it out for yourself. The various Catholic schools in Wichita have a lot of students who are not Catholic. While there is prayer in class those students are not required to participate. And they are not required to attend chapel services.” — Heckler
What kind of idot would post something he knows nothing about and ask others to check it out? However, it took me two seconds to come up with this, proving Heckler is full of crap.
“Non-Catholic pupils are required to take Catholic religion classes, and attend Mass, although they do not take Communion.” —
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0DB173AF93BA15752C1A961948260
There might be a cash-strapped Catholic school somewhere which excuses children of other faiths from prayer/mass, but you find it
beber
I was talking about Catholic schools in Wichita.
Read. Comprehend.
Heckler, I’ve never heard of a religious school that allowed kids to sit out of their religious teachings and prayers.
Can you imagine the influence that would have on the Catholic kids..now we couldn’t have that.
So now, if you’re a republican, vote in this poll. Who supports prayer in school, before games, before city meetings and before congress opens the day?
“I’m not positive, so check it out for yourself. The various Catholic schools in Wichita have a lot of students who are not Catholic. While there is prayer in class those students are not required to participate. And they are not required to attend chapel services.” — Heckler
In my experience, there really aren’t that many non-Catholic students who attend parochial schools. The schools have limited space and have to accept Catholic students first.
Waves to Mary. Got your email. And would love to, sometime!
Hey P-Mom,
I’m wondering what you mean by ‘prayer in school’? Also, why only republicans? Most of the democrats I know are good Christians. Why can’t they participate?
Pmom I am a repub who has said before and will say again. I don’t want my child to be forced to pray in public school. Nor do I want them to be prevented from a public prayer if the majority of students want it. I don’t want creationism taught in school. I don’t want social engineering such as forcing my six year old to learn how Megan has two mommies or who Daddy’s roommate is.
More than you asked but how I feel. Let parents be responsible for their childs religious education. Let them teach them about diversity when the parents think they are mature enough to understand it. Don’t teach them to hate as JR seems to think is ok but teach them to think for themselves.
Gotta go vote. Does anyone here know much about the sheriff candidates. I admit I really am not up on that race.
Religious education and prayer belong in private schools only. The public schools need to stick to teaching the basic skills we all need to be productive and survive in our society. The “Golden Rule” is all that’s neccessary to instill in public school students how to treat their fellow man, with just that one principle, the rest will fall into place.
Impeach bush!
“Book says White House ordered forgery
By MIKE ALLEN
A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.
Suskind writes in “The Way of the World,” to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery – adamantly denied by the White House – was designed to portray a false link between Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.
The author also claims that the Bush administration had information from a top Iraqi intelligence official “that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion.”
The letter’s existence has been reported before, and it had been written about as if it were genuine. It was passed in Baghdad to a reporter for The (London) Sunday Telegraph who wrote about it on the front page of Dec. 14, 2003, under the headline, “Terrorist behind September 11 strike ‘was trained by Saddam.’”
How did YOU vote on the marriage amendment germie?
I don’t teach hate. That’s you and yours.
I teach self defense and bs recognition.
P-mom
I really can’t give you a yes/no on your poll.
I think that those things are best decided by individual communities. If a community is overwhelmingly of a given faith and no one objects it shouldnt be a problem.
The small town I grew up in was 65-70% Catholic, 30-35% Protestant. The only prayer in school was at Graduation and maybe one other event. The Catholic Priest and the Protestant minister took turns. We may have had a prayer before football games too, I can’t remember for sure. We sang religious songs at the CHRISTmas program. Those things continued until the school finally closed down about 4 years ago.None of it was a problem. That was the makeup of our community.
The small rural school district my kids are going to sings a few religious songs at the CHRISTmas program. It’s not a problem. Thats the makeup of the community.
I understand how it can be a problem in large diverse school districts. Let the community decide.
It’s not something I lose sleep over at night.
I don’t teach hate. That’s you and yours.
I beg to differ…
I am PROUD that my son hates
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-715-2/#comment-384283
Hank the reason why I asked republicans is because this is a republican issue. And Raptor said that the majority of cons didn’t support school prayer.
So GRM says she’s fine with the status quo, although I’m almost positive I heard her say something different before I was trying to make a point of it. Heckler is for it…as long as only a few kids are being discriminated against.
I don’t teach hate. That’s you and yours.
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BlueJay lie No., ah hell, I lost count.
And I’ll add Heckler..nobody objected..because they were too afraid to object.
Believe me, I’ve lived that.
Pmom
“Heckler is for it…as long as only a few kids are being discriminated against.”
Why do you find it necessary to mischaracterize what I say?
I said ” it wasnt a problem “. You know what that means? It means no one complained. No one was offended.
Obama goes overseas, 200,000 turn out for a warm greeting. Bush goes to S.K, 20,000 turn out to welcome him, 30,000 to protest and be treated to the water cannons.
Like I said solie.
Self defense and bs recognition.
“I don’t want creationism taught in school. I don’t want social engineering such as forcing my six year old to learn how Megan has two mommies or who Daddy’s roommate is.”
So, then we can safely conclude that grmie wants her grandkids to continue the family tradition of ignorance and bigotry?
Got it!
LOL
BlueJay,
You teach self defense? Self defense from what?
Phantom
Psst. Hey Dude. I’ll try to break this to you gently, I know how much you worship Obamassiah.
Photo analysis of the Messiah rally in Germany puts the number closer to 20,000 not 200,000. You won’t hear it on CNNMSNBCABCCBSNBC though. It might mess with peoples sense of HOPECHANGE.
Heck…you can split hairs all you want…Obama will be the next prez…
Update: Robber in critical condition after being shot by Jacksonville handyman
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/08/04/jacksonville-man-shoots-would-be-robber/
A man working on a home just north of Springfield this afternoon shot an armed man who tried to rob him, said Sgt. Derrick Lewis of the Sheriff’s Office.
Mary,
We will see how confident you are a couple of months from now… hehehe
Like a petulant pre-teen, you are throwing yourself under the bus, P.M. The majority of Democrats picked Obama. Get over it. He will be unlikely to pick Hillary, because then what do you do with Bill? It would be a mess. Still, it would make for an interesting four years. I favored Hillary myself at one time.
No, the Democrats cannot win without the majority of votes of women, but they can certainly afford to discard those feminists who claim what amounts to unequal super-rights, but still insist on traditional roles when it suits them. We don’t need you P.M. We never did. No one does. No one even wants you. It’s called pragmatism. You cost us more than you are worth.
Nathan, you want to make a bet? Obama wins, you buy the steaks…McCain wins, I buy them.
Nick gave me a case of Bush beer when Dubya was re-elected just to rub it in.
P-Mom,
I don’t think it’s just a republican issue. I think there is a very small minority of people that are ‘offended’ by school prayer.
All republicans are not conservative either, actually a small percentage are conservative. School prayer? I’m not for the school sponsored prayer but if someone wants to ask a blessing at a commencement or say a prayer before a game, why not?
Exactly Dad.
coming to a theater near you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBo2xQIWHiM
Heckler,
That’s hilarious last week it was who gives a flying f#@k what the Germans think, they don”t vote here now it’s
“Photo analysis of the Messiah rally in Germany puts the number closer to 20,000 not 200,000. You won’t hear it on CNNMSNBCABCCBSNBC though. It might mess with peoples sense of HOPECHANGE.”
“We don’t need you P.M. We never did. No one does. No one even wants you. It’s called pragmatism. You cost us more than you are worth.”
That’s what they said about the abolitionists, the suffragetts, and those involved in the civil rights movement…rock on PMOM!!!!!!!
“but they can certainly afford to discard those feminists who claim what amounts to unequal super-rights, but still insist on traditional roles when it suits them.”
Well, hehehehe, that sure as HELL does NOT describe Pmom.
beber probably lives in a tree house with the “no girls allowed” club sign firmly tacked on the door.
Just a little bitter are we? I’m thinking somewhere there is a woman who’s happy she escaped.
Have you ever noticed how guys who can’t get a girlfriend are always so bitter towards the opposite sex?
Have you ever noticed how women that look like men that date other women that look like men are bitter towards actual men…..kinda funny that way.
Yep.
Some of them can only “get” a girlfriend with a club and a cave…
Hey Mary!
I’ll take the bet! McCain wins we come to your house, steaks, baked tator, corn on the cob and a nice little wine.
Obamal wins, my place!
Mary,
Sure thing. Only we have to eat them together either way.
Lame anti. But we are amused, and we do encourage you to play again.
Like I said, next you’ll be accusing me of setting my moustache on fire.
And anyone who met my sweetie at the meetup knows, she looks NOTHING like a man.
jealousy, thy name is…
“And anyone who met my sweetie at the meetup knows, she looks NOTHING like a man.”
Hee hee hee heeeeeee.
And come do think of it, neither do I.
But, we are amused….
Like I said, next you’ll be accusing me of setting my moustache on fire.
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Nah, I am sure your “moustache” is full and untrimmed, and you wear it as a badge of honor.
But we are amused
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That was the purpose.
And with that, I bid you a jew.
Thank You,
ANTI
Hank and Nathan, you’re on!!!
But I think it will be you guys crying in your beers, not me!!
Youse is beautiful, Ksfrmgrl…inside and out!!!!
I predicted the bushiesmccainees would come out with the ‘photo shopped’ argument, having nothing else left.
You guys are are a riot, but so predictable!
annie
“last week it was who gives a flying f#@k what the Germans think, they don”t vote here”
Still is.
Don’t get me wrong, the Germans make great cars and great guns and I’d hate to see them stop sending them over here. But I really don’t care what they think of us.
Aw shucks Mary. Back atchya girl!
Get a room.
That’s the attitude hat we need to dispense with, Heck….it matters what the rest of the world thinks of us..we are only one country of over 200…we don’t rule the world and we need to start taking a good hard look at ourselves, rather than the “our way or the highway attitude” that has alienated us from our allies.
Why would someone who is not Catholic want their child to attend a Catholic school?
Tell ya what, Heckler, I WAS Catholic and attended Catholic school here in Wichita. I hated it. (Hint: It had nothing to do with discipline and strong moral values.)
I don’t want social engineering such as forcing my six year old to learn how Megan has two mommies or who Daddy’s roommate is.
So, gram, how do you plan to explain Megan’s two mommies? Are you going to teach hate? Because that’s truly the only other option, isn’t it?
Are you going to teach hate?
Are you buddies with junior/bluejay? You sure sound like it.
Because that’s truly the only other option, isn’t it?
For their safety and well-being, I sure as hell hope you don’t have kids if this is how you think.
“I’m not for the school sponsored prayer but if someone wants to ask a blessing at a commencement or say a prayer before a game, why not?” — HLP
As the lone wrestler who refused to kneel in the hall prior the match, I’m a good person to ask. Because goons including the coach threaten you, that’s why.
Did Jesus have a favorite sport? Well screw that too.
Pre…I loved going to a Catholic school and that’s where I sent my kids..what didn’t you like?
I’ll admit, in the 60s we were at the mercy of the nuns…but I learned how to read and write…they wouldn’t have it any other way!
For their safety and well-being, I sure as hell hope you don’t have kids if this is how you think.
I have 4 grown kids, Sol, and they were not taught to hate. They do just fine, thank you. They are kind, loving adults. If one of them had announced to me she was a lesbian, it wouldn’t have made a difference to me. If they would announce they were Republican, that WOULD make a difference. :)
Travelers’ Laptops May Be Detained At Border
No Suspicion Required Under DHS Policies
Federal agents may take a traveler’s laptop computer or other electronic device to an off-site location for an unspecified period of time without any suspicion of wrongdoing, as part of border search policies the Department of Homeland Security recently disclosed.
“They’re saying they can rifle through all the information in a traveler’s laptop without having a smidgen of evidence that the traveler is breaking the law,” said Greg Nojeim, senior counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology. Notably, he said, the policies “don’t establish any criteria for whose computer can be searched.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Does anyone remember the Fourth Amendment?
Cops Stop And Search Vegas Couple For Having Ron Paul, Infowars Bumper Stickers
In the new America an endorsement of Congressman Ron Paul now gives the police probable cause to pull you over, ask you for identification and search your vehicle.
Much to their surprise Rick and Ingrid, friends from Las Vegas, discovered this recently when police pulled them over and cited a Ron Paul and an Infowars bumper sticker on the back of their car as having aroused suspicion.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/august2008/040808Stickers.htm
Mary, my experience was not the best. Because my mother wasn’t a member of the Altar Society (she joined the Catholic church to marry my dad), and my dad was not a member of the KofC, I was treated with disdain. My first grade teacher, a nun, was super. By second grade, I quickly learned they weren’t all that way. Talk about a teacher who had favorites! She managed to find ways to hold me back in just about everything, even though I was as good as those at the top of the class. (IQ tested in 3rd grade at public school was well over 150.)
But I got even, although not on purpose. When making a Christmas card for parents, I accidentally sprayed her pretty black habit with white spray snow. I don’t suppose that raised her estimation of me much. LOL
ksfarmgrrl
Posted August 5, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink
“I don’t want creationism taught in school. I don’t want social engineering such as forcing my six year old to learn how Megan has two mommies or who Daddy’s roommate is.”
So, then we can safely conclude that grmie wants her grandkids to continue the family tradition of ignorance and bigotry?
Got it!
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Farmie see if you can follow this. I also don’t want my 6 year old taught about hetro sex either. You see I think 6 is too young to start the social engineering. In todays world kids have to grow up way to soon anyway. Teach them the fundamentals which is what they should be learning in school. Maybe if we focus on that we will have kids graduating with enough knowledge to fill out job apps.
Are you a bigot because you don’t want prayer and creationism in public schools?
“Does anyone remember the Fourth Amendment?” — sol
In How Not To Get Busted a former top dope cop advised people to not have any bumperstickers or decals anywhere on a car. Basically, he reported, cops’ personal prejudices dictated who was stopped and searched.
…and grmie makes the typical mistake about homosexuality being all about sex, minus the love and commitment.
“Farmie see if you can follow this. I also don’t want my 6 year old taught about hetro sex either.”
Obviously, you havent soiled your hands with READING either book. Neither is about sex. Both are about relationships.
So.. how WILL you answer the kiddo’s questions about her classmates who have two mommies or two daddies?
I’m betting on this way. Recoil in shock and horror.
Yeah. Like THAT isnt social engineering…
Predestined why do you think if a 6 year old isn’t taught about sex whether hetro or homo they are being taught to hate. I went through 12 grades without being taught this. Why do todays kids need it. The kids we are turning out today are hurting. Their math and reading skills are low. and we worry about social engineering.
My grandkids when old enough have been taught about alternative lifestyles. They know that our next door neighbor Charlie has two mothers and no father. They weren’t taught to hate anyone but until it was age appropriate they weren’t taught this.
Acceptance and no hate. Are you and farmie haters because you don’t want creationism taught in school?
“. I went through 12 grades without being taught this. Why do todays kids need it.”
O M G
Perhaps someone should inform grmie that the world today isnt the same one she grew up in?
Hell, they didnt teach us computer skills either.
Why do kids need it today?
Um, because the world has changed?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted August 5, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
…and grmie makes the typical mistake about homosexuality being all about sex, minus the love and commitment.
“Farmie see if you can follow this. I also don’t want my 6 year old taught about hetro sex either.”
Obviously, you havent soiled your hands with READING either book. Neither is about sex. Both are about relationships.
So.. how WILL you answer the kiddo’s questions about her classmates who have two mommies or two daddies?
I’m betting on this way. Recoil in shock and horror.
Yeah. Like THAT isnt social engineering…
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Farmie every time you open your mouth you put your foot in it. Sorry you and I don’t agree but guess what you are entitled to your opinion and so am I.
No shock or horror see my above post.
You see the world through your jaundiced eyes and still haven’t told me why a 6 year old needs to learn about ‘relationships’ in preschool and first grade. Try that instead of throwing around accusations.
Hmm, perhaps decreased demand has had an immediate effect on oil prices, including dampening the enthusiasm of the speculators, rather than all the new drilling:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-tue_oil-pricesaug05,0,3900188.story
It will be interesting to see what occurs with China post-Olympics (see link for reference) and the effect of the Chinese government in raising gasoline prices 17% on future demand.
Then, there is still the Iran question; what would economic sanctions do to world oil supply?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted August 5, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
“. I went through 12 grades without being taught this. Why do todays kids need it.”
O M G
Perhaps someone should inform grmie that the world today isnt the same one she grew up in?
Hell, they didnt teach us computer skills either.
Why do kids need it today?
Um, because the world has changed?
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Computer skills will help a student in the real world of job seeking. Still waiting for you to tell me why this should be a mandatory part of public education when we have students failing the math and reading skills test.
“So.. how WILL you answer the kiddo’s questions about her classmates who have two mommies or two daddies?”
Or for that matter kids with single/divorced parents who have “significant others” in their lives?
So… how WILL you answer the kiddo’s questions about her classmates who have two mommies or two daddies?
I think the point being it should be up to the parents and not the school to explain it to the kids.
Mary
“That’s the attitude hat we need to dispense with, Heck….it matters what the rest of the world thinks of us.”
We are unique in the world. As much as our Constitution has been abused and twisted we are the only nation on the face of the earth with anything like it. Some nations hate us for that. They hate us for lots of reasons,some perhaps valid, mostly not.
Until something shitty is going down in the world and they want our help. Then we magically become transformed into superman. Be it ethnic cleansing in Bosnia or tsunamis in the Philippines. Or Nazis. They know we are the big dog that will respond when the right thing needs doing. We only seem to suck when our best interest differs from theirs. We even suck when our best interests are the same but they don’t have the stones to act.
There has NEVER been a nation that is a greater power for good on the face of this earth. And I’ll damn sure not apologize for it.
Computer skills teaching is irrelevant in a situation where the math and reading tests are being “failed”, too. If a student cannot read or tackle simple arithmetic correctly, his/her computer abilities will not make any difference.
It is too bad that parents refuse to acknowledge, in many cases, that the “social engineering” complained of needs to be the subject of parental instruction at an early age (high school or even middle school is too late). Given, among other things, the earlier onset of puberty, combined with parental ignorance or intransigence, the public schools have been (I suspect against their will, in many cases) dragged into filling the vacuum created by abdication of parents fulfilling their responsibilities to teach their children (gee, sounds like a song title) well (or at all) about sex; relationships; sexuality, to include a few (but not all) subjects for which parents should carry the primary burden of responsibility.
Ya know, VT, I agree with that. In a good world that’s the way it would work. But it’s not a good world. And we have to deal with the world we have, not the world we want, to paraphrase rummy.
And I agree that computer skills are irrlevant if they cant do the three R’s. Pre noted a few days ago that if they cant read and write, jumping straight to the blueprints isnt going to help.
But ya know, it was my Mom and Dad who taught me to read, write, and cypher BEFORE I ever went to first grade.
It wouldnt hurt parents to take some responsibility on those fronts as well.
“I think the point being it should be up to the parents and not the school to explain it to the kids.”
I’m not disagreeing with that. But… it still doesnt answer the question as to how it will be explained.
“I think the point being it should be up to the parents and not the school to explain it to the kids.”
Please post where I said it should be mandatory? Having said that, teachers read all KINDS of books to the kiddies? What’s wrong with reading these? Like I said, neither book discusses sex. Just relationships.
Yep, kfg, it isn’t the world we want but the world we have that we need to deal with.
On reading, etc., we were blessed with two autonomous readers who we encouraged; they both were reading, and cyphering a bit before they hit school as well. Writing; not so much, unless you count making words with magnetic letters on a board “writing”.
Oops. This should have been the second quote:
“Still waiting for you to tell me why this should be a mandatory part of public education”
And dont worry y’all. Just because schools might teach the kids some facts, whether about relationships or sex, doesnt mean you cant still give them misinformation and bigotry at home.
Big eye roll
You have not outright said that it should be mandatory, but by supporting schools teaching children about relationships of an adult nature (not necessarily sex, but life partnership) you are taking that out of the hands of parent’s and placing it in the hands of the education system [sic].
I’ve been preaching here for a couple years how parents don’t parent anymore, but that doesn’t mean I advocate taking away their rights to parent.
My bad. Cross posts.
Well farmie I will just say that people who know me would laugh in your face if you told them I was bigoted and preached hate.
I think school is for educating our kids. Period. Relationships are up to the parents. I know in the world we live in it doesn’t happen that way always. I also agree that further along this might become a school problem.
Two weeks ago Newsweek had a story about two fourteen year old boys. Interesting story with blame on both sides. One boy ending up shooting and killing the other. If you haven’t read it maybe you should. This has to be a home teaching opportunity.
“But ya know, it was my Mom and Dad who taught me to read, write, and cypher ”
Wow, KFG, did you really use Roman Numerals?
Heckler–
That was one of the most misinformed and ignorant yet arrogant posts I’ve read in a long time of reading ignorant-arrogant posts of the right-wing.
You ought to actually talk to people from another country before you make blanket statements about what they believe.
Also, your implication that the US defeated Nazism is not borne out by the facts. We did our bit, no doubt about it. But the Russians incurred far more casualties on the Germans than we did or any other country did.
Although chest-thumping Americans like you will never acknowledge it, the old Soviet Union “won” World War II more than any other allied country.
I don’t say this to denigate the noble US war effort, but simply to point out that this world is peopled by other countries whose influence is no less important than ours.
And to set the facts straight, because I think truth matters.
KFG
Do you have anything to offer besides the “if you disagree with me you’re a bigot” arguement? It’s really kind of weak.
“I’ve been preaching here for a couple years how parents don’t parent anymore, but that doesn’t mean I advocate taking away their rights to parent.”
How does reading Heather Has Two Mommies take away their right to parent?
This isnt directed at you Sol, but like I said, even if the school presents some facts, the bigotry and misinformation can STILL be drilled at home….
“Do you have anything to offer besides the “if you disagree with me you’re a bigot” arguement?”
I guess not. Because if that’s what you think, you certainly cant, or wont, read.
“Wow, KFG, did you really use Roman Numerals?”
hehehehehehehhehe.
Actually, it was an abacus. And a slate board when I got older…
One needs to wonder…. re: 2 fourteen boys in Newsweek… IF they had heard some information about relationships at a younger age… at home, AND at school…. perhaps one of them might still be alive now???
And yeah, it really was in a one-room country school house. We did have indoor plumbing though. With an outhouse for backup just in case that new fangled stuff didnt work!
Yeah Chas. And like something similar never happened with STRAIGHT teens….
jesus WEPT!
LOL KFG
KFG
“I guess not. Because if that’s what you think, you certainly cant, or wont, read.”
I read this-
“the bigotry and misinformation can STILL be drilled at home….”
“doesnt mean you cant still give them misinformation and bigotry at home.”
“I’m betting on this way. Recoil in shock and horror.
Yeah. Like THAT isnt social engineeri”
Did I miss any more?
There are some things I want my kid to learn from me. There are things that I do not trust the school with. As my taxes pay for the school, I think I should have a say in what is taught beyond readin, riting and rithmatic.
Capn
“the old Soviet Union “won” World War II more than any other allied country.”
And what a paragon of Human Rights and Liberty they turned out to be.
It must suck to live in a nation you hate so much.
Heckler is the perfect example of CONservativism walking on two legs today–
“not all CONs are stupid people, but all stupid people are CONs . . . “
Sol, with all due respect, if the kiddies play with other kiddies, or watch tv, they are going to learn LOTS of things that you dont teach them. As a parent, you can counter the things they learn away from home.
Unless ya intend to keep them locked in the cellar or in an information blackout.
Remember, and I know it’s hard to think back so far, how well that worked for US?
heheheheheheh!
The last post by Heckler is a textbook example of how CONs think–”the Soviet Union is bad, so it couldn’t have done anything good like defeat Nazism.” And anyone who looks at the facts and sees that they did defeat Nazism more than any other western power must “hate America.”
Facts don’t matter. Ideology does.
Perfect.
Interesting,
While doing a little spying off Murmansk during the cold war we listened to Radio Moscow a lot. According to them, they pretty much won the war without us.
In all honesty, their participation was vital to the victory. We would have won without them, but it would have taken a lot longer and Hitler would have invaded England without the ‘Eastern Front’.
Funny, Radio Moscow never mentioned the vast amount of war materials, food and medicine that we sent them. Without our help they’d be speaking German in Moscow today.
I do have to agree with Heckler, though. Anyone that refers to the Russia of WWII as the ‘old Soviet Union’ can’t be given much credibility. You’re obviously a product of government schools, Capn.
But… it WAS the “Old Soviet Union” in WWII
Old Mother Russian died with the Romanov’s!!
typo….
Russian = Russia
What are you babbling about, Mr. Price?
I simply call the Soviet Union what it called itself at the time.
BTW, by your own admission, you “listened to Radio Moscow a lot” . . . who else by a COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZER would do that?
Good thing Joe McCarthy and HUAC isn’t still around. As a loyal American, it would be my duty to report you . . .
You are correct KFG, they will learn from other sources. I can control, to some extent what they watch, where they surf and who they hang out with. Can’t be 100% though. So when I, as a parent, decide that it is time to talk with my kid about relationships, I will do it open and honestly. If I am the parent I think I am, that will stick more than what little Johnny or MTV told them.
Unless ya intend to keep them locked in the cellar
Not a bad freakin idea !!!
The last post by Heckler is a textbook example of how CONs think
You really look like an a$$ when you generalize. One person makes statement ‘A’ so everyone in whatever group you define supports 100% that statement.
How utterly naive.
Capn
Take a class on reading comprehension. I didnt say the Soviets werent the prime force in defeating the Nazis. Did I. Can you show me where I did?
Don’t you get tired of building straw men to knock down?
Or is addressing the main point of my arguement to difficult?
BTW, by your own admission, you “listened to Radio Moscow a lot” . . . who else by a COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZER would do that?
It was the only radio we could get in that part of the world, we listened for amusement. The same reason I read your leftist crap.
Are you and farmie haters because you don’t want creationism taught in school?
You can’t see the difference between the teaching of creationism (the Bible=one religion) and the teaching of tolerance through understanding and knowledge?
No, I don’t hate, but I do pity you.
Heckler —
Obviously, you didnt… What you DID do, however, was to divert the subject to Human Rights and Freedom…. which wasnt the subject…
The Soviet Union didnt have those to items to begin with… Nor did the former Mother Russia, under the Czars… Nobody ever claimed that the Soviet Union WAS a paragon of Human Rights and Freedom…
So, what was your purpose in posting that??
Don’t make excuses, Hank.
You are a commie. Why don’t you move to Russia, you America hater?
Now, this could be interesting >>>>
http://www.TheNextCheney.com
“I didnt say the Soviets werent the prime force in defeating the Nazis. Did I. Can you show me where I did?”
No, but I can show you that when I pointed out that other countries (which you put down by minimizing their influence on world events) like the Soviet Union played major roles in world history, you accuse me of “hating the country I live in.”
Same thing.
By the way, since you agree with Hank Price, I think you may be a commie too . . .
Chas
Christ on a cruch, another straw man builder.
Go back and READ.
Capn’strawman was responding to a post I made to Mary about what other people think of the USA.In it I mentioned Nazis. He responded with a bunch of drivel about the Soviets being the ones who really defeated the Nazis.
I responded in the context of the arguement I had been making, that the US was the greatest power for good the world had ever known. I was critical of the Soviets(Russians).
It’s a waste of electrons to debate anything with you two.
HEHEHEHE
Have you ever been to Moscow, Capn.? A good day there is worse than a bad day here!
Heckler —- YOUR words here >>>>
“And what a paragon of Human Rights and Liberty they turned out to be.” (reference to Sov. Union)
THAT was the response I referred to above…
That is from your post, right???
It seem that being a commie would put you to the right of the average democrat today. If I had to choose. . .
Chas
That IS my statement. And it is based in the context of the arguemnet I was making, not the context of the straw man Capn was trying to build.
Chas
Posted August 5, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
One needs to wonder…. re: 2 fourteen boys in Newsweek… IF they had heard some information about relationships at a younger age… at home, AND at school…. perhaps one of them might still be alive now??
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Obviously you didn’t read the story or you wouldn’t have posted your ignorant statement.
Pre I don’t need your pity but you do need to look at what I have written. I said very clearly the place to teach this is in the home and not in our public schools.
My thoughts right or wrong. My opinion. I am allowed to have one you know. Just like you.
The US is not the “greatest power for good” the world has ever known.
On balance, it’s pretty mixed.
Fighting Nazism, good.
Helping to create Nazism by supporting punative “war reparations” from WWI, bad.
Marshall Plan for rebuilding Europe, good.
Supporting the WTO and other globalized trade bodies to keep 3rd world countries mired in debt and beholden to giant corporations, bad.
Rebuilding Japan as a democracy, good.
Destroying democracy in Palestine, Lebanon, Nicaragua, Iran (Operation Ajax), Argentina, and a host of other countries around the world, bad.
Unfettered free-enterprise, good.
Giving Wal-Mart the biggest corporation in the world special tax incentives and allowing them to flout union protection laws, bad.
Hey, germie… it doesnt matter what the story is about… My statement is still TRUE whether you like it or not…. If those boys would have had some kind of education from somewhere about relationships, both would most likely still be alive…
As such, one is dead….
Please show me any ignorance in that, instead of just POUTING in your pity corner??
Oh yea, germie… since you provided NO LINK to your Newsweek story, its pretty hard to read it…. LOL
Capn
Six years ago in Iraq. A man speaks out against the “government”. In the night a goon squad comes to visit. They gouge one of his eyes out, cut off 5 or 6 of his fingers, and leaves him to bleed out while they gang rape his wife.
Six years later. A man speaks out against something the Democratically elected government is trying to do regarding oil revenue sharing. Someone screams at him and spits in his face. No goon squad.
Good…
Bad…
ksgrm,
Before I can make a statement on your story about the book we’ve been discussing, I would have to know all the facts. I know there are some people who draw conclusions without knowing the facts or even have a clue what they’re talking about. I’m really tired of kneejerk reactions from people who are unfamiliar with something, just because they THINK they know something and THINK it’s wrong.
Pre I don’t need your pity but you do need to look at what I have written. I said very clearly the place to teach this is in the home and not in our public schools.
I don’t disagree with you. There are some things that should be taught in the home. Sex and religion are just two of them. I really can’t believe a teacher was teaching what you say she/he was.
Just as you have your opinion, so do I. And I can pity whomever I want to pity. The funny thing is, you don’t even know why.
The contention that without the help of U.S. industrial might, Russia would have been defeated by Germany, is another myth of the super patriot: This quotation from the Wikipedia has some bearing.
“”Overall production slowed down somewhat while the new tank started its production run. Although a T-34-85 was still not a match for a Panther, the improved firepower made it much more effective than before. The decision to improve on the existing design instead of tooling up for a new one allowed the Soviets to manufacture tanks in such numbers that the difference in capabilities could be considered insignificant. In May 1944, the Wehrmacht had only 304 Panthers operating on the Eastern Front, while the Soviets had increased T-34-85 production to 1,200 tanks per month”
Russia possessed a hell of a lot of industrial might. It is true that it was helped by the U.S., but to say without that help it would have been defeated is a stretch.
Remember Russia fought German to a standstill before much aid arrived.
Once aid began pouring in, Russia adjusted its industrial production to weaponry. The U.S. provided Russia with about 15 percent of its aircraft, most of its trucks, and many of its locomotive, and a lot of food and clothing.
They would have had a much tougher go of it had we not helped, but so would we have had.
beber – If Hitler had done Operation Barbarosa correctly I think he would have defeated the Soviets. They keys would have been to (1) get an armistace with Britain (2) keep the US out and (3) launch the invasion in WINTER. Coordinate with ally Finland to close Murmansk; with Japan to close Vladavostok; with Turkey and the balkans to close the Black Sea.
Playing on fear of “Bolshevism” and support of the German-American Bund he could have neutralized the US – IF he could have kept Japan reined in.
Perhaps, bth. If that asshole Pat Roberts had done his job, we’d never invaded Iraq, too.
Got this from an old friend, in email…
“John McCain was on “The View” this morning …. He actually announced that when he graduated from college, he was fifth from the bottom in standings. When questioned about his comment, he then laughingly admitted that he was “much lower than bush.” That was about the dumbest thing he could have said…. do you believe it? IF I had planned to vote for him, that would surely have changed my mind. So, not only is he dumb, he is proud of it… Now THAT is downright scary!!!”
I agree Beber. Not to knit-pick, but I was a tanker in Germany. I think the term was “panzer” but I see your point.
For many years, it was Russian doctrine to throw superior numbers at the enemy. In that way you were correct.
We all knew that the M1A1 Abrams was a much better tank, but the T-72’s outnumbered us 3 to 1.
Could Hitler have defeated Russia had we not been involved? Tactics say maybe. Logistics say NO
I agree Beber. Not to knit-pick, but I was a tanker in Germany. I think the term was “panzer” but I see your point.
For many years, it was Russian doctrine to throw superior numbers at the enemy. In that way you were correct.
We all knew that the M1A1 Abrams was a much better tank, but the T-72’s outnumbered us 3 to 1.
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The M1 Abrams entered U.S. service in 1980, not during WWII.
Or were you speaking of your service post WWII?
Grm, did any of your kids have sleepovers, go to afterschool events, play with kids from school? There is FAR more to school than the three r’s. School is also a place where kids learn about themselves and the world around them.
Where do you think all this bullying problems start from? There are a whole group of parents out there who think that peer pressure and bullying should be used to tease kids into behavior. SUch as why I was teased in the 4th grade for not being a Christian. Tell me, where does a 4th grader learn that?
At some point, your kid is going to ask why Suzie has two moms. And do you let your precious go play with Suzie after school? Inher house. With her two moms? Do you? Be honest. Even if she’s Suzie’s best friend at school?
You cannot deny the social issues in school. Kids are networking in elementary school online after classes.
Franklin, to respond a bit to an assertion you have made on at least two occasions to the effect that no Democrat has won the Presidency without having a substantial lead in the polls pre-election. Well, it seems to me that Harry S Truman was behind (substantially, early) in the polls in 1948 and managed to win. Memory may be failing me here, but if I recall correctly, John F. Kennedy did not have much of if any lead in the summer polls in 1960. I’ll be glad to look at any data to the contrary.
P.M., why can’t that question be answered by the parents? Why must the school answer it?
“All republicans are not conservative either, actually a small percentage are conservative. School prayer? I’m not for the school sponsored prayer but if someone wants to ask a blessing at a commencement or say a prayer before a game, why not?”
Because they don’t need to be pushing that upon everyone else- what they can’t pray silently to themself…do they get extra Jesus points for coercing others to pray with them?…what part of that is so hard to understand? and yes, that does count as school sponsored prayer.
No Anti. I was speaking of Russian doctrine. Obviously it was after WWII.
The Russian doctrine remained unchanged however.
Because if it becomes a teasing issue, the kids need guideance on how to deal with this. I’m not saying that it has to be taught either. But the first time some kid is teasing over it, when they’re expelled instead of reprimanding and explaining I don’t want to hear a word of complaint.
Its just like my son and his autism. It would be nice if every parent sat down with their child and explained that some kids have disorders that make them a little different and that it isn’t nice to tease them because they’re different. But no, you get parents who treat my son bad and then wonder why their kid got in trouble for calling him the ‘little retard’- where do you think they learned that from? The school has a vested interest in protecting children from bullying, and if the parents can’t step up, then they have to by default. They have to maintain a suitable learning environment for all, and if a group is going after one kid, that is impeding that child’s right to safe environment free from abuse.
If students can’t be respectful and not bully others they should be punished from the school and at home. The parents should be the ones responsible for teaching the child what is right and what is wrong. The school should enforce it’s “code of conduct.”
The USSR did 75% of the damage to the Germans in WW2. They had defeated vonPaulus at Stalingrad, a few months later inflicting the greates loss ever to a tank army at Kursk where they wiped out several Panzer Corps. Zuckov had lifted the siege at Leningrad, turned the Heer back at Moscow and were rolling up the Wermacht on an ever ending westward drive….before the US was even in the UK bulding up strength. They completed a momentus feat of moving their armament production behind the Urals out of range of the Luftwaffe where they performed prodigious feats of weapons production and development, second only to the US. Oh yes, the Brits had defeated Rommel at El ALamaina and were mounting 1000 plane raids on the Riech by 1942. The tide had turned before the US brought her weight to that theatre but it took everyone who was in the war to beat them and the Japanese by 1945. Nontheless in Europe it was overwhelmingly a Russian show.
ANTI, in a good and perfect world, that is how it would be. Observing behaviors at three separate schools (two public, one private) there’s not a nickel’s worth of difference among them, except that the private school students are much more accomplished at cyber bullying.
When any of the schools try to enforce “it’s (sic) code of conduct”, the parents for the most part do not accept that their precious student could possibly have done anything wrong. “Besides, teasing is a part of school, and the teased just need to develop a thick skin and grow up. Yes, I’ve seen and heard this; no, I will not identify the alibi parents by name, nor the schools involved.
It goes on; parental intervention to stop it is, on most occasions, nonexistent. Thus, it is left to the schools to do battle with not only the problem extant within the student body, but also with the parents.
Should be a close quote at the end of the sentence containing the two words grow up. Need to clean my glasses or something. :-(
I used to be an instructor at Navy Nuclear Power school. It was no dishonor to finish last in your class.
Only one out of ten sailors recruited qualified to be selected for that school. Only one out of ten men selected for that school ever finished. To graduate meant you were academically in the top 1% of the Navy.
The Naval Academy is similar. Only one in ten that apply for the Naval Academy are selected. Only 50% of those ever get a commission. Does being an admiral’s son help you get in? You betcha! Does being an admiral’s son make it tougher in a lot of ways once you get in? You betcha!
A Republican Congresswomen’s oil drilling plan.
The Democrats’ Energy Charade
By MICHELE BACHMANN
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121728846656591485.html
“The portion of ANWR territory that should be opened to exploration covers a mere 2,000 acres.”
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Okay, so open 2,000 acres of the Arctic Refuge to exploration. 2,000 acres along the edge of the Refuge — or a total of 2,000 acres for a road, pipeline, and an interior area. And make the rest of the 1.5 million acres permanently closed.
Oil companies probably would not bother exploring such a small, limited production area.
avtolle, I agree. There are A-Holes at every age. Schools years ago used to implement a device called discipline, sadly many have forgotten about this useful and eye opening tool. Parental responsibility has also went to the wayside. Why do you think that is? What has changed? Too many egotistical cry babies ready to sue?
Pmama….
Can ANYONE ever get this straight? I did not make any claims that people did or did not pray/want prayer in schools.
beber made the ridiculous and false claim that all conservatives wanted MANDATORY prayer in schools. I challenged him to prove it..and got juvenile vulgarity in return.
Pmama…I did NOT make any claims at all…just tyring to get beber to fess up–which of course he in turn showed what a “class act” he is.
You can’t make this stuff up.
“HLP” says –
“It was no dishonor to finish last in your class.”
Then run with that, “HLP!”
Print up a bunch of McC*nt bumper stickers that say:
McCain!! We’re Number 248! We’re Number 248!
‘Cause that’s where America’s headed in the world if we continue with Republic Party rule.
And there is one of those A-Holes now….
HEHEHE
Monkeyhawk,
Are you incredibly stupid or just a flaminig asshole?
Nevermind, in your case they’re not mutually exclusive.
nitwit
What has changed? Well, I don’t wish to overly generalize, but 1) there is a feeling that discipline doesn’t apply to “my” student; s/he wouldn’t do anything wrong; 2) school and its rules are not important; kids need to be kids; 3) the general low regard that teachers and others in the education field are held (some of which may be well deserved, but not all); 4) I want to be my child’s friend; and yes, 5) too many egotistical cry babies ready to sue.
When one couples the above with actions, many of which I believe are wrong, to reduce drop-out rates, the rate of suspensions and expulsions (again in reaction to threats of litigation), there seems to be a downward spiral in the ability of the schools to handle these problems.
John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) says: “I know how to win wars.”
Funny how he’s never shared his knowledge in any of the wars he’s ever been involved with.
Now, “I know how to crash jets.” might work. Or “I know how to take bribes.” Or “I know how to dump my first wife and three kids and get the Arizona Beer
TrollopQueen into the sack.”They’re messages that really speak to the CONservative base.
avtolle, I agree with every point.
I think MonkeyHawk was mistaken when he said that he was fired for making Conservatives look bad.
What he was actually told was that he was fired for saying such horrible things on the air about Conservatives which made him look bad.
“HLP” can muster up only ad hominem –
“HEHEHE
Monkeyhawk,
Are you incredibly stupid or just a flaminig [sic] asshole?
Nevermind, in your case they’re not mutually exclusive.
nitwit”
Oooh!
Real Lincoln/Douglas debate tactics there, “HLP.”
“Nathaniel” comes to the rescue of “HLP” –
“I think* MonkeyHawk was mistaken when he said that he was fired for making Conservatives look bad.”
*No you don’t. At least I have no evidence that you think.
“What he was actually told was that he was fired for saying such horrible things on the air about Conservatives which made him look bad.”
Come to think of it, there might have been a fly in the room that day. Or maybe a maggot. So it could’ve been you.
But you know nothing about what you’re talking about. Per usual.
Try again, boy. You’re not helping your daddy’s case so far.
HEHEHE
It’s hard to be Lincoln when your side doesn’t have a Douglas.
nitwit
oK, BEBER was wrong to say ALL. But most is accurate.
Most is accurate, PM? Ok..prove it. show me where MOST conservatives want MANDATORY prayer in schools.
I sure as hell don’t think it belongs there.
Ahhh..I see capn has been here, saying things like:
“Facts don’t matter. Ideology does”
Must be his mantra..after claiming that all church shooters are CONs…with no facts, no proof, no anything except his say so. His hatred has colored his ability to think.
Tim, a pro-lifer was violently attacked outside the Clinica Medica Para La Mujer abortion mill in Santa Ana, CA by abortionist quack Howard Pfupajena, age 66. Tim was shoved, punched, battered, and choked, causing him lacerations and muscle pain, after attempting to photograph the abortionist quack leaving the abortion mill. Pfupajena, angered because he couldn’t drive away with his head covered, also attempted to deprive Tim of his camera and stomp on it, apparently attempting to hide his involvement in some kind of criminal activity.
Tim had previously ascertained from a local cop that he had the right to take photographs of people on public property. The abortionist quack was cited for assault and battery and released.
This abortion mill chain caused arrests and trials earlier this year because of illegal, unlicensed abortions committed by Bertha Bugarin and Lawrence Reich.
HLP’s 12:49, picked apart by those who erect the “Russians did more” strawman, is essentially correct: “There has NEVER been a nation that is a greater power for good on the face of this earth. And I’ll damn sure not apologize for it.
While the US has not been and is not perfect, it’s a damn sight better, in that respect, than any #2.
This thought, spoken better than I could:
Naturally, I was in the perfect mood to read the entire Gulag Archipelago. I got all three volumes from the drugstore – which should have told me something about the land in which I lived, that one could buy this work from a creaky wire rack at the drugstore – and it taught me much about the Soviet Union and the era of Stalin. After that I could never quite understand the people who viewed the US and the USSR as moral equals, or regarded our history as not only indelibly stained but uniquely so. Reading Solzhenitsyn makes it difficult to take seriously the people in this culture who insist that Dissent has been squelched. Brother, you have no idea.
http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/08/0808/080408.html
No kidding. And listening to the Bush=Hitler bleating is no less so.
From wiki:
“McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) that he did not aim to improve”
Parkay, how is it that the anti-choicer was so close to the Doctor that he got assaulted in the first place? And yeah must have been one horrible of an assault to get ‘muscle pain’ and a scrape from all of that.
What a joke.
Apparently trying to hide some sort of criminal activity- yeah like…leaving.
Oh and they’re going to try to say the guy is permanently disabled from this ‘brutal attack’ that left muscle pain and scrapes.
HLP: Would you note the amount of help one specific route was offering? Isn’t that an invitaion to have Kreigsmarine subs and suface assets create chaos by focusing on the Murmansk Run from their secure anchors in the fojrds of Norway? Hell the North Atlantic big as it as was a nightmare for transport, but the convoys to Archangel and Murmansk were even more deadly. I’m sure those who counted got the message of thanks from those who benefitted. Can you remember the allied propaganda shorts in which Russia did just that during the war? I do.
Iraq Government Has $79 Billion in Unspent Cash
By JAMES GLANZ
The soaring price of oil will leave the Iraqi government with a budget surplus, an analysis by a U.S. federal oversight agency found.
Hey GM,
It was Heckler’s 12:49 post but I fully agree! Liberal pantie wetters bitch and moan about our country but we’re the best that ever was. The fact that we were founded by Christians has a lot to do with it to!
We use 25% of the world’s energy and resources and protect and feed 50% of the world. Pretty good odds I guess!
Hey sursum!
http://www.armed-guard.com/ag79.html
Interesting article, has some quotes from Stalin proving how important our aid was to their war effort.
“We use 25% of the world’s energy and resources and protect and feed 50% of the world. Pretty good odds I guess!”
Ladies and gentlemen, hold your cards.
I think we have a BINGO!
I collect antique books on history, religion and military history. It’s very interesting to see how history seems to ‘evolve’ as the country becomes more ‘progressive’!
We were founded as Christian nation until about 30 years ago!
Well, children,
My poker night calls, play nice.
If Hitler had given Rommel and the Afrika Corps 1 tenth of the resources for Operation Barbarosa (the invasion of Russia) he would have won the war and eventually conquered all of Europe and all of Asia not held by Japan. After that? It gets into guess work.
But Hitler and Stalin (Germany and Russia) slugging it out without the US?
Tough call there. Russia had an almost endless supply of troops and Germany did not.
But.
German weapons development was improving exponentially.
That war might have gone on for a very long time.
“We use 25% of the world’s energy and resources and protect and feed 50% of the world. Pretty good odds I guess!” — HLP
We import half of our food, idiot. And the world feeds the world.
Some notes from around the state:
Phill Kline is losing his bid for re-election with only 35 percent of the vote.
Lynn Jenkins is leading Jim Ryun 52-48%.
Benjamin “the minimum wage is a Marxist plot” Hodge is losing his primary with only 34 percent of the vote.
Dwayne Umbarger is beating Iris VanMeter 61-39%.
Steve Morris held off his con challenger 83-17%.
Has the NRA lost their minds? I know they’re a paranoid schizo group, but come on.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_re_us/nra_mole
well that’s too bad, I was hoping to run against Kline in November. Same with Lynn Jenkins.
And karl Peterjohn has won, so that’ll be an easy win.
OMG Mark Gietzen lost by only a small margin…what the HAIL is wrong with republicans!
BlueJay: Well,given that the stategic goal in North Africa by the Afrika Korps. was to take the Suez Canal thereby stangling the UK for resources and make the Med. a Facist Lake, how does Rommel get into Europe? Of course Rommel could have used more troops because is initial success was precisely because of superior manpower and ordinance. After the Brits under Wavell had defeated and driven the Italians out of East and North Africa his force was spent, so the Brits were outnumbered and out gunned when the Germans arrived. Montgomery won only because his ordinance(mostly American supplied) finally overwhelmed Rommel and only then did he attack. The Royal Navy and Air Force had choked the German lines of supply so Rommel go no further supplies, though Hitler frantically tried to re-equip the Korps. Churchill would have been quite pleased if Hitler and Stalin slugged it out for years, that is what most folks thought was gonna happen anyway, then the West would take on the winner at considerably less cost… WHICH STALIN SUSPECTED. That is why the Ribbentrob/Molotov non agression pact between the two was such a coup and a disaster for the West. Russia, with it’s huge manpower, enormous area and natural resources coupled with a massive growing manufacturing base was considered to be the eventual winner in a war ‘twix the two dictators. PS: I see your namesake beat the “A”s to-night
HA, and salinans evicted Pete Brungardt and voted in someone hard right fundy! Wahoo, now the dems will win Salina seats too.
A kindred spirit!
Well sursum, my understanding is that Rommel was given only a token force to help out the Italians in Libya. I remember reading how when he arrived, he drove his tanks through the town a couple of times to convince the locals and the enemy that he had more than he did.
As far as I know, any designs on the Suez Canal were his alone. I may be mistaken.
I have never understood this. Yes I know that the Brits controlled the Med. and supply was a problem.
But the Suez canal was one of the most strategic objectives of the time. Had Germany taken that, Britain’s fight against Japan would have been almost non existent. Their naval forces would have been forced to travel around the entire African continent.
Like I say, I don’t get it. If Rommel had been better supplied or if Hitler would have driven through -istan regions and into the Persian gulf? Germany would have had all the oil it needed AND controlled the Suez canal.
You know it’d had been really nice if they would have created a primary thread.
True that, pmom.
They’ve all gone home for the day by the time the results start rolling in. Maybe they wanted to vote, too?
Watch for it in the morning.
they couldnt have opened the thread first?
how many of u voted? Ivsincerely hope its all of us.
“We import half of our food, idiot. And the world feeds the world.”
Well, no beber, my intellectually challenged friend, you’re wrong.
Money wise, we are a net food exporter. It’s not as much a difference as it use to be but we still export more than we import.
But, that’s not the big picture. We could survive without importing any food. Most of what we import is high value food items like beef and various produce. Wines and imported beers and liqueurs also go toward our import total. We export grains. We feed ten people for every American that get fed by imports.
Still, that’s not big picture. We export technology and expertise to other countries so they can feed themselves.
Defense. Where do you think Japan would be without our defensive umbrella the last 60 years? Where would Canada that great example of progressive politics be without the benefit of our defense budget? What would Europe look like today without NATO?
And you call me an idiot? You’re not smart enough to sit at the adult table yet.
nitwit
Hey P-Mom,
I voted on the way to work this morning.
Steven Colbert apologized to Canton, Kansas tonight. The real s#ithole is actually Canton, South Dakota.
;^)
Rats, I was hoping Gietzen would win. On the plus side Kline lost again. Maybe he’ll get the hint that he’s not wanted.
Political_mama
Posted August 5, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Permalink
OMG Mark Gietzen lost by only a small margin
*****
Wasn’t Gietzen the pro-life fellow who was accused, maybe convicted, of battering his spouse. I am not sure that was the way the Bible said one should do it…
Why do evangelical, right wingers, hate women?
I voted about a week ago, Mom.
Lots of good news in the primary results.
Phill Kline was denied even by the Republicans as MagPunk pointed out.
Radical right-wing fundo Jim Ryun got tripped up again. Kinda like the 1972 Olympics, eh, Jimbo?
Karl Peterjohn upset the CON incumbent, but after the voters understand that he’s a paid shill for billionaire Koch Bros., they won’t be so stupid as to actually vote for him in the General.
Don’t you read The Bible, Steven?
Eve was responsible for the fall of Adam, that is, women are to blame for no less than the all the evil of the entire world.
That’s why man answers to God and woman answers to man.
However, Ave (Eva spelled backwards) redeemed woman-kind by giving birth to Jesus.
So . . . they do have one and only one redeeming virtue: they can give birth to good men.
That’s the way the fundos see it anyway . . .
That reminds me–I never did get a reasonable answer from the Blog God Squad explain why God seems to lie in the Genesis story.
Genesis 2,
16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
It is the serpent says, “nah, you won’t die, you’ll be like the gods, knowing good and evil,” which ends up being true.
They eat the fruit, they don’t die, and God says they are like gods, knowing good and evil.
Thanks, Capn.
I’ve always seen women as powerful, but not so malevolent. I had a friend in college who was a Navajo woman – she came from a matriarchal culture where women owned most things (excepting a rifle and a saddle). My friend told me – “one always knows who one’s mother is, your father, well that is less certain.”
I told my father about my friend and her culture where women ran things, and he asked me, “I have to send you to college to learn that women run things???”
Going to see my dad tomorrow, I will remind him of this conversation – should be fun…
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
Indian Giver be the name of the Lord.
And then to top it all off, God kicks Adam and Eve out of the Garden because He’s afraid they’ll eat from the tree of life and live forever.
Gee, thanks, God.
As long as we’re weak and stupid and mortal, we’re acceptable. Don’t get uppity, human.
How can the fundos take this seriously? The legend of Gilgamesh or Prometheus makes more sense than this.
CapnAmerica,
Only a liberal and very questionable Christian such as yourself would try to imply that God lied there.
I would also expect that a Sunday School teacher would be able to answer such a basic question and wouldn’t present it on a public blog as to cast doubt on the very God you proclaim to believe in.
So, the real question is, do you really want an answer or were you just posting it to mock others?
CapnAmerica,
So exactly what parts of the Bible do you teach from in Sunday School?
It obviously can’t be much…
CapnAmerica,
And since you are back on the religion kick again, when do you start rejecting science to believe in your god?
“…and very questionable Christian such as yourself”
Nate,
God bestowed upon you the ability to discern this how, exactly, hypocrite?
I just follow the lesson plan they give me, Nathan.
BTW, how do explain God lying in Genesis 2?
Nathan–
Touche, you’ve roundly condemned me from every angle.
Now answer the question . . . if you can.
Nigfht all, will read tomorrow if I can stomach it.
Nigfht = Night
Yup, just watching Jon Stewart.
Time to wrap it up . . .
Steven,
When CapnAmerica spends most of his time on this blog mocking Christians, the Bible, and Christianity, I have to question his calling himself one.
Doesn’t make me a hypocrite at all.
Feel free to question my Christianity. Between myself and CapnAmerica I am the one who actually believes what makes someone a Christian. CapnAmerica? Not so sure.
Correction, I should have said that CapnAmerica spends more time mocking and attacking Christians, the Bible and Christianity than defending it.
Obviously not all of his posts are about it.
CapnAmerica,
Rule number one when answering a skeptics question.
Figure out why the skeptic is asking the question.
It is obvious you don’t really want an answer or are actually seeking the truth.
You are only using the question to mock others.
Steven,
Why on Earth are you getting on my case for questioning CapnAmerica when he is the one who started mocking others?
Typical liberal Hypocrites, indeed!
CapnAmerica, Chas, Political_Mama, heck, the whole lot of you are free to make fun of Christians, the Bible, what I beleive, or what you call “fundamentalists” routinely here.
But the second I question Chas or CapnAmerica on being Christians I am out of line and wrong.
Absurd.
OMGorsh!
I’m Satan’s best salesman! I am evil incarnate! I am no Christian, I just pretend to be one so that I can more easily confuse them and make them lose their faith and their eternal salvation.
Now, answer the question.
Except if you could have answered it you would have answered it by now . . .
I can answer the question.
I just can’t figure out why someone who calls themself a Christian and teaches Sunday school is asking it?
Defensive much Nathan?
Like you are here and now?
Offensive much BlueJay?
Like you are here and now?
………
*EYE ROLL*
“Offensive much BlueJay?”
Ya better believe it.
As usual, CapnAmerica never finishes these discussions, but he loves starting them.
Why doesnt Nathan answer CapN’s question??
Then answer it, Nathan. I’d be forever in your debt.
Just don’t say that “a day” really means a human lifetime.
That isn’t consistent if you take a literal timeline of the begats (as you and other literalists) do to calculate the age of the universe.
Chas,
How nice of you to join us. I have already said why I wouldn’t answer his question.
CapnAmerica,
I have not said anything about a “day” or the age of the universe.
Why is a Christian Sunday School teacher asking this question?
And, as usual, “Nathaniel” –
You obsessively continue these conversations with constant whining self-righteous posts.
Nathan,
I am never sure how to respond to you, so I will say goodnight.
Hope your life is going better than it sounds to be from here…
Nathan, I am sorry… But all I see you doing is doing “end arounds” on answering the question. It’s like you dont WANT to answer it.
Why would a Christian Sunday School Teacher say that God is a liar?
Chas,
Kind of like how you do “end arounds” whenever I ask you a question about Christianity?
Hmmmmm…. you would be the expert.
Okay, I’m not taking part in this coy bullsh!t any more.
Genesis says that “the day ye eat of the fruit of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil, ye shall surely die.”
But, Nathan, they don’t die for many many years . . . way longer than today’s lifespan.
I wish I had Adam’s “day” to die.
Please don’t tell me again that any Christian can explain that paradox, and I could explain it if I were just a good enough Christian like you, and you could explain it but you won’t because you can read my mind and know that my motives are impure.
It’s really starting to piss me off . . .
A Sunday School teacher who wants his kids to use the brains God gave them would teach them to dig beyond idiotic, superficial literalism, yes.
Forget about me, Nathan, Just deal with Capn’s question… You’re trying the diversion tactic, and it wont work tonite…
CapnAmerica,
Starting to piss you off? LOL
What was your reason for asking the question? It is so obvious you only asked the question to mock those that believe what the Bible says.
Then you have the gall to say I am pissing you off for merely pointing it out?
Go play your little victim card somewhere else. You were the one who started this nonsense and now you want to cry because I called you on it?
Actually, you are the one who routinely starts this with me and my father by mocking us for believing in a Young Earth Creation.
Now you act upset because I question your motives here?
Please.
Chas,
I will forget about you when you don’t interject yourself into a discussion which you were not a part of.
I am not diverting from anything.
I am simply asking CapnAmerica why he is asking the question he did.
The reason for the “question” has been stated at least three times that I counted… Time for answers, Nathan… not just more spin…
CapnAmerica,
Or, a Sunday School Teacher would use the brain God gave him to be able to understand something written in the Bible without simply dismissing anything he disagrees with.
“Nathaniel” asks –
“Why would a Christian Sunday School Teacher say that God is a liar?”
I, a lapsed agnostic, would be happy to discuss the paradox “CapnAmerica” brings up. It’s not all that complex, but fundamentalist bible-literalism rarely seems open to paradox.
You, boy, would much rather sit and judge just who is and who isn’t your personal definition of a “Christian.”
He can’t explain it, Chas.
He tried to explain it once before about a “day not being a day” which is completely inconsistent with his literal reading of every other line of The Bible–except for the part about “if you divorce and marry another, you commit adultery” which even the Fundamentalist Churches have had to “interprete” (i.e., finesse) given the epidemic of adultery . . . uh . . . I mean divorce they are experiencing.
“Why would a Christian Sunday School Teacher say that God is a liar?”
Why would Nathan call me a liar as I go by his own posts here?
I’m not a bully like Nathan or his dad. And so I will leave off since I see him chased into a corner that he painted himself into.
What’s your take on that paradox, MonkeyHawk.
Actually, it’s not original to me. I first thought about it when I was a little kid, and saw the contradiction. Then I just put it out of my mind.
I was reminded of it again when I read literary critic Harold Bloom’s The Book of J.
CapnAmerica,
I have never tried to explain the answer to this particular question before.
My answer would have little to nothing to do with a “day” not being a “day” either.
I’ll give Nathan more respect than he would me here.
He is up against a crowd.
And Nathan in his life, has been up against a lot.
Maybe it will mean something to him if I don’t join in the crowd that is well justified (my take) in going after him.
Okay, Nathan.
I’m going to think about this and get back to you in about 90 minutes . . .
Be sure to wait up for me . . .
CapnAmerica,
While you are thinking, think about the asnwer to this question:
When do you start rejecting science to believe in your God?
It’s tough to figure out where to begin.
The big answer, I think, is that God is a lot different in the Old Testament than in the New. (At least in the Gospels; Paul screwed up Jesus’ purpose a whole lot of ways.) The New Testament God has become flesh and is a bit more sympathetic than the “jealous” God of the Old Testament; the guy who called for the slaughter of infidels, the incest of his favorites, the gawd-awful test of Abraham and Aaron. Jesus wouldn’t do that s#it.
Old Testament God would do whatever He thought would advance His ranking with “no other gods before him. He was obviously concerned about “other gods,” ergo there must be other gods.
So, yeah. God lied about the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. Although “ye surely shall die” is not necessarily an immediate threat. It’s not like, “One bite and you’ll fall over dead.”
Okay. That’s just for starters. Do we really want to get into the nuances?
BlueJay,
Don’t worry about it. I have no problem handling all of these guys in a discussion.
I do appreciate your apparent heartfelt concern for my well being though. Thank You.
Even as vile a liar as you are Nathan, I gotta respect one who stands against many on belief.
I do hope you learn from that.
This, among many other things, is why I am better than you. Even if you live better than me.
I have no time for this matter anymore tonite… Too many meetings tomorrow….
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Blessed be!!
I don’t have any concern for your well being Nathan.
Just as you have none for mine.
It is just that I am more fair than you and yours.
Little good that does me. But I can live with it.
CapnAmerica
Posted August 6, 2008 at 1:08 am | Permalink
Okay, I’m not taking part in this coy bullsh!t any more.
Genesis says that “the day ye eat of the fruit of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil, ye shall surely die.”
But, Nathan, they don’t die for many many years . . . way longer than today’s lifespan.
I wish I had Adam’s “day” to die.
Please don’t tell me again that any Christian can explain that paradox, and I could explain it if I were just a good enough Christian like you, and you could explain it but you won’t because you can read my mind and know that my motives are impure.
It’s really starting to piss me off
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It’s a question often asked by those who are in their juvenile state of faith in accepting or rejecting what the Bible has written in text.
Just as those who believe in Christ shall have ever lasting life, those who “eat of the fruit of knowledge..” have chosen death as their path.
The latter depends solely on the mind of man to explain, justify and generally come to term to what life means.
It has many parallel explanations in Biblical interpretation. One being that Adam and Eve were once immortal, unswayed believers in God.
Once they ate of the fruit, then the biggest killer of faith entered into them, “doubt and skeptical unbelief.”
A lot of this comes when humans try “anthropomorphizing” (assign human attributes)God.
When people accept Christ and become Christians they become “dead” to the world. In other words, the transformation of the spirit. Spirit is hard to define and of course, if you are a non-believer then you don’t accept that a spirit exists.
If you “eat of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil” then you become dead to your spirit and God, the exact opposite of what being saved means.
A leap of faith, in its most commonly used meaning, is the act of believing in something without, or in spite of, available empirical evidence.
One can argue teleological principles all day and all night, but without the ‘leap of faith’ they end up back with the same dead end empirical arguments.
Empiricists, the ‘eaters of the fruit’ have no legacy, no resolution of being and no definition of who they are after they are dead other than what other people may assign to them. They become nothing more than dust in the ground, defined and re-defined by history.
Those who believe in God and accept Christ, live on forever. Believers have rejected the ‘eating of the fruit of good and evil’ and trust God to guide them to their destination of Heaven.
The most silent moment is that which occurs after a physical death and the last breath has been taken. For the ‘eater of the fruit’, the start of the decay is their only reward. Their ‘being’ becomes dead and their spirit does not really dwell with Satan, but is caught up in eternal torment of not being able to choose God as their savior.
We can’t describe God. God describes Himself as “I AM.”
This is a difficult concept to understand. Empiricism has no mechanism to understand how something exists on all levels of time, space and physical parameters. Yet, we as humans can conceptualize eternity, omnipresence and omnipotence.
When empiricists assign a linear calendar such as evolution, they have locked themselves into a limited pattern of a finite set. What is argued today as truth and then becomes false later on as the result of the advancement of science is a self-defeating mechanism.
Empiricists cannot resolve with absolute certainty that events that have taken place would occur if it were repeated. Repeated experiments that prove a hypothesis is one of the tenants of science and empirical thinking. Evolution and the ascent of man require random events and chaos.
There is no ’steady state’ with empirical science. There is no concept of “I AM” with having a belief or a leap of faith that events if repeated would occur again under identical circumstance. The assumption that chaos and random events influenced by environmental factors cannot reoccur even if it was planned, because the limited view of what being “is” and what time “is” is beyond our control.
‘Eating of the fruit’ is basically confusion. It relies on doubt and an inherent hope events occur as they have mapped out with no changes.
It requires a ‘leap of faith’ without faith, which is a contradiction. “Eating of the fruit” is hopelessness.
Knowledge of ‘good and evil’ requires that a standard be met to define them. Without a standard or some being such as God to guide them, the knowledge of ‘good and evil’ becomes random assignments of values of judgments depending on which society one lives in and at what point of time that one thinks technology and science can explain events.
‘Good or evil’ cannot be accurately defined by empirical science, yet we as humans know they exist.
There is no universal constant nor is there a defined law of physics that can be assigned to what ‘good or evil’ is. There are no ‘good or evil’ attributes on a periodic chart of basic elements. Evolution and the ascent of man doesn’t depend on ‘good or evil’ to make their theories workable.
Are mutations ‘good or evil’? Is adaptation ‘good or evil’? We can say that is silly, yet we as humans believe ‘good or evil’ exists.
If humans evolved from lower life forms, what society is/was the most correct? Would a caveman be an outcast in today’s society because he would kill an intruder to his hunting grounds? The caveman had rules for his own society. Societies change and yet the human being must adapt to the society in order not to be assign to the ‘evil’ side of moral implications.
There is no evolution of ‘good of evil’, there is only societal rules and ethics. For Christians, God is all that is ‘good’ and is immutable.
It’s interesting that Obama’s message is “change.”
Change means that according to Obama, ‘good’ as it is defined by the current society cannot be immutable.
Then what happens if Obama gets elected then leaves office and another President redefines what ‘good or evil’ is according to the present society?
‘Good or evil’ defined with finite time periods and based on societal tenants. At best, it is chaos and susceptible to social environmental influence.
Obama wants to redefine what the immutable God has accomplished. Obama clearly states that ‘change’ must occur in his world view. Obama’s world view is finite and will be susceptible to re-interpretation as time passes.
In order for the non-believer to cope, they must accept physical and spiritual death as their final state.
As Rene DesCartes once implied, “There is no Center.” He introduced Theory of Fallacies states that at any given time a statement can be both true and false simultaneously due to its contradictory nature. Descartes is also known for his statement “Cogito Ergo Sum.” (I think, therefore I am.”
Which is an interesting concept, because now that Descartes is dead, he no longer “is” because he is no longer thinking. His ‘theory of fallacies’ then contradicts his assumption, because Descartes assigns his being with limitations, that is, being alive.
Therefore, the premise that Descartes proposes cannot be true, because of its limited scope and its dependence of being ‘alive.’
Some say that computers can think, yet they have no mind. A computer can be upgraded forever, materials replaced as they decay and what was learned transferred to the next computer. But can a computer come of with the same conclusion as Descartes (Cogito Ergo Sum)?
A computer is stationary and cannot exist at different points in time, so it has a limitation on what it can claim to be as existing on all dimensions.
God says “I AM.” Without limitations, with the only condition that belief in Him provides the human spirit(soul) with the same hope of eternity.
“Eating of the fruit of good and evil” dictates change, chaos and random events.
Obama’s concept of “change” is counter to the teachings of God. Obama must have a ‘leap of faith’ that ‘change’ will conquer the ‘evil’ of the world and bring about ‘good.’ Yet, Obama is not immutable. Obama has changed himself by morphing his own doctrines, his own stances on past decisions have evolved into exact opposites.
With that said, the Republican party is not the party of God either. It is a human driven ideology, susceptible to the chaos and evolution of society.
God exists. God says “I AM.”
The immutable God; something that someone can believe in, because God does not change. He is the “Alpha and the Omega” co-existing because time is irrelevant to God.
As I write this, I have changed, because I am susceptible to the limitations of time and the human mind.
However, my faith in God remains the same. It is by this fragile thread of belief, this ‘leap of faith’ that keeps me from the trappings of human failure.
God takes away the cruel indecision and confusion out of the ‘knowledge of good and evil’.
God is immutable. God says “I AM.”
There is so much wrong with that post. So the bible is literal except when it is not. And requires such a long circular logic to explain one passage. Please.
Now you say we’re not like god, even though we were created in his image.And if the spirit really wasn’t of this world, why is there so much sin? I thought the reason why bad things happen to good people..and why Christians sin is because they ARE of this world.
Now you see, you all can’t use one excuse for one thing, then completely backflip and say the exact opposite excuse for something else.
This is why I don’t believe in any of it.
You have the right to believe what you want to, but don’t act like you have the right to push that upon anyone else and the way we live.
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Political_mama
Posted August 6, 2008 at 5:45 am | Permalink
There is so much wrong with that post. So the bible is literal except when it is not. And requires such a long circular logic to explain one passage. Please.
Now you say we’re not like god, even though we were created in his image.And if the spirit really wasn’t of this world, why is there so much sin? I thought the reason why bad things happen to good people..and why Christians sin is because they ARE of this world.
Now you see, you all can’t use one excuse for one thing, then completely backflip and say the exact opposite excuse for something else.
This is why I don’t believe in any of it.
You have the right to believe what you want to, but don’t act like you have the right to push that upon anyone else and the way we live.
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Show me where I pushed “this” upon anyone.
I made some statements.
I believe faith in God is a personal choice. I also believe that Christ is a personal savior.
With that said, I nor anyone else can force personal choices on anyone.
But please do carry on PMom, it’s your life, however short it may be.
BlueJay:I agree with the myrad of “if’s”, but the reality is what happened, you got too many “if’s”. Hitler used the 6th Army under von Paulus to drive to the Caucauses in persuit of oil, and maybe afterwards linking up with the Japanese, but it was only wishful thinking, more Axis propoganda than anything else. BTW the Arabs were pro-German and the oil fields were not yet really developed in 1941. I don’t doubt Rommel would do what he could do to make his forces look bigger, everybody does that to confound spies and an impress the locals. It’s called a Show of Force and been done since conflicts began. What was judged to be the best tactical light cavalry of the 19th century would use ruses to confound the enemy. I’m referring to the Plains Indians.
RE: P-mom’s 9:42.
Sounds like the paranoia is entirely CeaseFire’s. I did run across this little tidbit, though:
“In the battle of ideas with the gun lobby, we’re at a constant disadvantage because we’re honest.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The anti-rights groups are a lot of things, but honest isn’t one of them.
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