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		<title>By: qcjames</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-400376</link>
		<dc:creator>qcjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joan Maynard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-395728</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan Maynard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too complicated for me. CU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too complicated for me. CU</p>
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		<title>By: Boxlock</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-395461</link>
		<dc:creator>Boxlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The farmer writes, &quot;Our first gay president. Google him&quot;....but is she just being hopeful?

http://lindholm.jp/chinf_buc.html
&quot;It might be more helpful to separate the “Was Buchanan gay?” question into two parts. One, did he love men instead of women, and two, did he in fact follow his passions. The answer to the second question would seem to be “no.” His fiancee, Ann Coleman was of course exactly the sort of girl that a good-looking, brilliant, young lawyer would try to marry. She was rich, she was beautiful. Her family, owning a musket-making concern, was one of the wealthiest families in Pennsylvania. Aside from Ann Coleman, Mr. Buchanan went after several other women. He wrote to Mrs. Francis Preston Blair on June 3, 1837 that before the next year “I expect to be married &amp; have the cares of a family resting upon my shoulders” (p. 225) Notably, he wrote this to Blair a year after he had started lodging with King! Also, not to put too fine a point on it, whether Buchanan loved King or not, it seems unlikely that two reserved, upper-class men, one of whom continued to date women, would boink each other in the ass. These were, after all, the days before daily showers and Vaseline.&quot;

and; http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/2458.html

&quot;Nevertheless, the staff at Wheatland never mentions King. Asked directly &quot;was Buchanan gay?&quot; a staff member replies, &quot;He most definitely was not,&quot; and points to a portrait of Ann Coleman on the wall as evidence. Buchanan was in fact engaged to Coleman, the daughter of a wealthy ironmaker, for several weeks in the late summer and autumn of 1819. He showed so little interest in her, however, that rumormongers in Lancaster suggested he was only in love with her fortune.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The farmer writes, &#8220;Our first gay president. Google him&#8221;&#8230;.but is she just being hopeful?</p>
<p><a href="http://lindholm.jp/chinf_buc.html" rel="nofollow">http://lindholm.jp/chinf_buc.html</a><br />
&#8220;It might be more helpful to separate the “Was Buchanan gay?” question into two parts. One, did he love men instead of women, and two, did he in fact follow his passions. The answer to the second question would seem to be “no.” His fiancee, Ann Coleman was of course exactly the sort of girl that a good-looking, brilliant, young lawyer would try to marry. She was rich, she was beautiful. Her family, owning a musket-making concern, was one of the wealthiest families in Pennsylvania. Aside from Ann Coleman, Mr. Buchanan went after several other women. He wrote to Mrs. Francis Preston Blair on June 3, 1837 that before the next year “I expect to be married &amp; have the cares of a family resting upon my shoulders” (p. 225) Notably, he wrote this to Blair a year after he had started lodging with King! Also, not to put too fine a point on it, whether Buchanan loved King or not, it seems unlikely that two reserved, upper-class men, one of whom continued to date women, would boink each other in the ass. These were, after all, the days before daily showers and Vaseline.&#8221;</p>
<p>and; <a href="http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/2458.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/2458.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Nevertheless, the staff at Wheatland never mentions King. Asked directly &#8220;was Buchanan gay?&#8221; a staff member replies, &#8220;He most definitely was not,&#8221; and points to a portrait of Ann Coleman on the wall as evidence. Buchanan was in fact engaged to Coleman, the daughter of a wealthy ironmaker, for several weeks in the late summer and autumn of 1819. He showed so little interest in her, however, that rumormongers in Lancaster suggested he was only in love with her fortune.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-395060</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The most experienced President was James Buchanan&quot;

Our first gay president. Google him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The most experienced President was James Buchanan&#8221;</p>
<p>Our first gay president. Google him.</p>
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		<title>By: lindainks55</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394973</link>
		<dc:creator>lindainks55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sursum says:  &quot;...the Prime Minister of Canada spent only $60,000.00 to get elected! I betcha the media here would panic if this ever got out.&quot;
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That would be ANOTHER benefit to true campaign finance reform -- castrating the media!  Canada is so far beyond America in so many ways.  I don&#039;t know if we can catch up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sursum says:  &#8220;&#8230;the Prime Minister of Canada spent only $60,000.00 to get elected! I betcha the media here would panic if this ever got out.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>That would be ANOTHER benefit to true campaign finance reform &#8212; castrating the media!  Canada is so far beyond America in so many ways.  I don&#8217;t know if we can catch up!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394918</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RWNB   ---   Obama  is not  a  muslim...   Muslims  can  be  Americans...  the  same way you  are...  if you  were  born here,  that is...   Anybody  can  become  an  American,  if  they  go through the  citizenship  process...  religion  has nothing  to  do  with  citizenship here in  this  great  nation...

Get over yourself,  you  freak!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RWNB   &#8212;   Obama  is not  a  muslim&#8230;   Muslims  can  be  Americans&#8230;  the  same way you  are&#8230;  if you  were  born here,  that is&#8230;   Anybody  can  become  an  American,  if  they  go through the  citizenship  process&#8230;  religion  has nothing  to  do  with  citizenship here in  this  great  nation&#8230;</p>
<p>Get over yourself,  you  freak!!</p>
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		<title>By: RedWhiteNBlue</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394914</link>
		<dc:creator>RedWhiteNBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a pretty known fact that once a muslim converts into a christian they are singled out and killed. Why do non of the muslims seem to care that Obama is now claiming to be Christian? Why has there not been any threats on his life? Why? IMO that one is pretty obvious. To me anyhow. And it scares the poop out of me that so many of you think so highly of him.

A muslim can become a united states citizen! That&#039;s how they do it! They get our trust, and then they do something awful! It&#039;s all part of there very laid out plan.

Sorry if I&#039;ve offended anyone,but I just can&#039;t sit around and be quiet about this anymore. The US is my country. It&#039;s my home, and this man who is running for President scares me. He really honestly scares me. And I&#039;m not a biggot. His color doesn&#039;t matter, but him being muslim does, and it should matter to YOU too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a pretty known fact that once a muslim converts into a christian they are singled out and killed. Why do non of the muslims seem to care that Obama is now claiming to be Christian? Why has there not been any threats on his life? Why? IMO that one is pretty obvious. To me anyhow. And it scares the poop out of me that so many of you think so highly of him.</p>
<p>A muslim can become a united states citizen! That&#8217;s how they do it! They get our trust, and then they do something awful! It&#8217;s all part of there very laid out plan.</p>
<p>Sorry if I&#8217;ve offended anyone,but I just can&#8217;t sit around and be quiet about this anymore. The US is my country. It&#8217;s my home, and this man who is running for President scares me. He really honestly scares me. And I&#8217;m not a biggot. His color doesn&#8217;t matter, but him being muslim does, and it should matter to YOU too!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394903</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good night;  Good luck;  God  bless  ----
Whatever you  conceive God to be!!

Blessings  ALL!!

Blessed  be!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good night;  Good luck;  God  bless  &#8212;-<br />
Whatever you  conceive God to be!!</p>
<p>Blessings  ALL!!</p>
<p>Blessed  be!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394902</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would  you  expect  anything  different,  DavidB??</description>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394875</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet Parkay&#039;s source said: Hauled away pro-lifers standing quietly on public property beside a highway.

Sounds like a lying source.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet Parkay&#8217;s source said: Hauled away pro-lifers standing quietly on public property beside a highway.</p>
<p>Sounds like a lying source&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394873</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were walking in the traffic!!!!

Eighteen anti-abortion protesters were arrested yesterday after they marched among cars stopped at red lights in Harford County and refused to disperse, state police said.

Motorists called police about 4:30 p.m. to report that 30 to 50 people holding large signs and pictures were walking in traffic at an intersection on Route 24 just north of Interstate 95. Two troopers responding to the calls asked the protesters to disperse after they could not produce a permit to demonstrate, state police spokesman Greg Shipley said.

An hour later, 20 members of the same group marched again at the intersection, Shipley said. 

Sixteen adults and two juveniles were arrested. Shipley said they were charged with disorderly conduct, failure to obey a lawful order and willfully obstructing the flow of traffic. 


By Josh Mitchell
August 2, 2008

www.baltimoresun.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/maryland/bal-md.protest02aug02,0,1856849.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were walking in the traffic!!!!</p>
<p>Eighteen anti-abortion protesters were arrested yesterday after they marched among cars stopped at red lights in Harford County and refused to disperse, state police said.</p>
<p>Motorists called police about 4:30 p.m. to report that 30 to 50 people holding large signs and pictures were walking in traffic at an intersection on Route 24 just north of Interstate 95. Two troopers responding to the calls asked the protesters to disperse after they could not produce a permit to demonstrate, state police spokesman Greg Shipley said.</p>
<p>An hour later, 20 members of the same group marched again at the intersection, Shipley said. </p>
<p>Sixteen adults and two juveniles were arrested. Shipley said they were charged with disorderly conduct, failure to obey a lawful order and willfully obstructing the flow of traffic. </p>
<p>By Josh Mitchell<br />
August 2, 2008</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/maryland/bal-md.protest02aug02,0,1856849.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.baltimoresun.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/maryland/bal-md.protest02aug02,0,1856849.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: sursum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394871</link>
		<dc:creator>sursum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phantom/Linda:My previous post seems to have gone off somewhere into the ether. Anyway, I had a problem about the Conservative Party spending only $18 million to get elected, a figure I did not believe but there is a law that a party can only spend 70 cents per registered voter and no one candidate more than $60,000. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation gives EQUAL FREE air time to duly registered parties, what they call a mandate to-wards the electorate process, as do the Ozzies and the Brits. Think about it, this means that the Prime Minister of Canada spent only $60,000.00 to get elected! I betcha the media here would panic if this ever got out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phantom/Linda:My previous post seems to have gone off somewhere into the ether. Anyway, I had a problem about the Conservative Party spending only $18 million to get elected, a figure I did not believe but there is a law that a party can only spend 70 cents per registered voter and no one candidate more than $60,000. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation gives EQUAL FREE air time to duly registered parties, what they call a mandate to-wards the electorate process, as do the Ozzies and the Brits. Think about it, this means that the Prime Minister of Canada spent only $60,000.00 to get elected! I betcha the media here would panic if this ever got out.</p>
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		<title>By: lindainks55</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394864</link>
		<dc:creator>lindainks55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama Asks Panel to Restore Votes 

Senator Barack Obama has asked the credentials committee of the Democratic Party to give full voting rights to delegates from Florida and Michigan at the national convention in Denver.

The request is likely to be granted because it comes from Mr. Obama, the all-but-certain nominee, who now controls the party apparatus.

After Florida and Michigan held early primaries in violation of party rules, the party punished them by saying their delegations would not be seated at the convention. In May, the rules committee agreed to let the delegates have half a vote each.

Mr. Obama’s request is likely to cause consternation among party officials, who have struggled to maintain some authority over the primary calendar. Restoring full voting rights will essentially be giving a green light to other states to ignore the primary calendar next election.

The credentials committee is scheduled to meet Aug. 24, the day before the convention begins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/us/politics/04delegates.html?ref=politics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Asks Panel to Restore Votes </p>
<p>Senator Barack Obama has asked the credentials committee of the Democratic Party to give full voting rights to delegates from Florida and Michigan at the national convention in Denver.</p>
<p>The request is likely to be granted because it comes from Mr. Obama, the all-but-certain nominee, who now controls the party apparatus.</p>
<p>After Florida and Michigan held early primaries in violation of party rules, the party punished them by saying their delegations would not be seated at the convention. In May, the rules committee agreed to let the delegates have half a vote each.</p>
<p>Mr. Obama’s request is likely to cause consternation among party officials, who have struggled to maintain some authority over the primary calendar. Restoring full voting rights will essentially be giving a green light to other states to ignore the primary calendar next election.</p>
<p>The credentials committee is scheduled to meet Aug. 24, the day before the convention begins.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/us/politics/04delegates.html?ref=politics" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/us/politics/04delegates.html?ref=politics</a></p>
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		<title>By: KSGolfnut</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394841</link>
		<dc:creator>KSGolfnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we saw nary a bear - much to the dismay of my children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we saw nary a bear &#8211; much to the dismay of my children.</p>
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		<title>By: KSGolfnut</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394840</link>
		<dc:creator>KSGolfnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Am...

We built a fire outside in the firepit every night - the kids made s&#039;mores.  mmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Am&#8230;</p>
<p>We built a fire outside in the firepit every night &#8211; the kids made s&#8217;mores.  mmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: American_Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394821</link>
		<dc:creator>American_Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’ve never been to Lake Tahoe, I highly recommend a visit.&quot;

Tahoe is on my short list of most beautiful places. Been there a few times. Last year we rented a place in Incline Village in August. Had a fire in the fireplace every night! The hot tub was nice, until you had to get out and walk inside!

Bears were a big problem.

Did you notice the road markers for snowplows in winter? 4-5 feet of snow in a storm is not unusual. You gotta love snow and skiing to stay around in winter. But if anyone was looking for a great spot for that old fashion snowed in big family Christmas complete with sleighs it&#039;s a good spot. Home of Bonanza!

The lake is amazing. Deep, beautiful blue. There is another lake further up, which is smaller, but very deep. So deep they found old 70 foot trees in the bottom. Evidence of a drasitc climate change eons ago. Probably GW by cavemen or dinasour farts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’ve never been to Lake Tahoe, I highly recommend a visit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tahoe is on my short list of most beautiful places. Been there a few times. Last year we rented a place in Incline Village in August. Had a fire in the fireplace every night! The hot tub was nice, until you had to get out and walk inside!</p>
<p>Bears were a big problem.</p>
<p>Did you notice the road markers for snowplows in winter? 4-5 feet of snow in a storm is not unusual. You gotta love snow and skiing to stay around in winter. But if anyone was looking for a great spot for that old fashion snowed in big family Christmas complete with sleighs it&#8217;s a good spot. Home of Bonanza!</p>
<p>The lake is amazing. Deep, beautiful blue. There is another lake further up, which is smaller, but very deep. So deep they found old 70 foot trees in the bottom. Evidence of a drasitc climate change eons ago. Probably GW by cavemen or dinasour farts.</p>
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		<title>By: KSGolfnut</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394813</link>
		<dc:creator>KSGolfnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve never been to Lake Tahoe, I highly recommend a visit.  The highs barely touched 80, and it got down to 40 every night.  And the water was a cool comfortable 70.

What a shocker to come home to 108 today.

And the whitewater rafting was the highlight of the week. =)

God bless the USA and her incredible natural resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve never been to Lake Tahoe, I highly recommend a visit.  The highs barely touched 80, and it got down to 40 every night.  And the water was a cool comfortable 70.</p>
<p>What a shocker to come home to 108 today.</p>
<p>And the whitewater rafting was the highlight of the week. =)</p>
<p>God bless the USA and her incredible natural resources.</p>
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		<title>By: lindainks55</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394812</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems after all our spinning in circles we&#039;ve come full-circle back to -- we will each use our one vote for the candidate of our choice, huh?  Why do any of us continue this day after day? 

Will you be as glad as I will be when it is finally finished?  I have confidence we&#039;ll each (speaking for our merry group of posters) find something else to be very opinionated about.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems after all our spinning in circles we&#8217;ve come full-circle back to &#8212; we will each use our one vote for the candidate of our choice, huh?  Why do any of us continue this day after day? </p>
<p>Will you be as glad as I will be when it is finally finished?  I have confidence we&#8217;ll each (speaking for our merry group of posters) find something else to be very opinionated about.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394803</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lindainks55
Posted August 3, 2008 at 7:38 pm &#124; Permalink

Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford were 19th century? While I personally have always thought Johnson was out of step with the world — in fact I think the two worst presidents in our country’s history have come from the same state — I didn’t know it was because he was from such a loooooong time ago. I did respect Jerry Ford.

Silly to make that 19th century claim without looking at the evidence presented at the link, don’t you think
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You also threw in more 19th century Presidents, now didn&#039;t you.

Sorry, but you don&#039;t get to weasel out of the argument that easily, when you throw in irrelevant data.

Lyndon Baines Johnson was a crook, period.  Everyone in Texas knew he was a crook and most in Washington D.C. suspected he was a crook.  He would sell his own mother-in-law for a chance at political gain.

Gerald Ford was never elected, but selected. I didn&#039;t mind Gerald Ford, thought he made a mediocre President though.

Back to the original point about Obama having zero executive experience.  He still doesn&#039;t have executive experience, so your irrelevant comparisons aren&#039;t helping you promote your argument about Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lindainks55<br />
Posted August 3, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford were 19th century? While I personally have always thought Johnson was out of step with the world — in fact I think the two worst presidents in our country’s history have come from the same state — I didn’t know it was because he was from such a loooooong time ago. I did respect Jerry Ford.</p>
<p>Silly to make that 19th century claim without looking at the evidence presented at the link, don’t you think<br />
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You also threw in more 19th century Presidents, now didn&#8217;t you.</p>
<p>Sorry, but you don&#8217;t get to weasel out of the argument that easily, when you throw in irrelevant data.</p>
<p>Lyndon Baines Johnson was a crook, period.  Everyone in Texas knew he was a crook and most in Washington D.C. suspected he was a crook.  He would sell his own mother-in-law for a chance at political gain.</p>
<p>Gerald Ford was never elected, but selected. I didn&#8217;t mind Gerald Ford, thought he made a mediocre President though.</p>
<p>Back to the original point about Obama having zero executive experience.  He still doesn&#8217;t have executive experience, so your irrelevant comparisons aren&#8217;t helping you promote your argument about Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: lindainks55</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394801</link>
		<dc:creator>lindainks55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford were 19th century?  While I personally have always thought Johnson was out of step with the world -- in fact I think the two worst presidents in our country&#039;s history have come from the same state -- I didn&#039;t know it was because he was from such a loooooong time ago.  I did respect Jerry Ford.

Silly to make that 19th century claim without looking at the evidence presented at the link, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford were 19th century?  While I personally have always thought Johnson was out of step with the world &#8212; in fact I think the two worst presidents in our country&#8217;s history have come from the same state &#8212; I didn&#8217;t know it was because he was from such a loooooong time ago.  I did respect Jerry Ford.</p>
<p>Silly to make that 19th century claim without looking at the evidence presented at the link, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: RightAngle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394799</link>
		<dc:creator>RightAngle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey STEVE are you any relation to Joann?</description>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394798</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lindainks55
Posted August 3, 2008 at 7:28 pm &#124; Permalink

Well, Regular I guess your one vote gets to go for whomever you choose, just like mine! If you think crashing planes and being a victim of war is experience valuable to the presidency I guess your vote goes to McCain.
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Again with more arm flailing.  Referring to the plane crashes is just more flaming retarded rhetoric from the left.  It&#039;s pointless.

If you would have asked me nicely and asked me if McCain has the proper executive experience, I would have said no, but neither does Obama.

The only thing we have left then are political ideology and agendas.  I believe McCain&#039;s agenda and ideology more in line to mine than Obama&#039;s.

Obama is a pure hard left liberal. His changing his spots during a Presidential campaign does not convince me.

Again with the 19th century Presidents.  This is not the 19th century, this is the 21st century.  Presidents back then were concerned about what the stable man was going to feed their carriage horse or who was going to be Ambassador that could speak French.  The world is much more complicated today.  The 19th century had it&#039;s own unique challenges, but nothing like there is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lindainks55<br />
Posted August 3, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>Well, Regular I guess your one vote gets to go for whomever you choose, just like mine! If you think crashing planes and being a victim of war is experience valuable to the presidency I guess your vote goes to McCain.<br />
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Again with more arm flailing.  Referring to the plane crashes is just more flaming retarded rhetoric from the left.  It&#8217;s pointless.</p>
<p>If you would have asked me nicely and asked me if McCain has the proper executive experience, I would have said no, but neither does Obama.</p>
<p>The only thing we have left then are political ideology and agendas.  I believe McCain&#8217;s agenda and ideology more in line to mine than Obama&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Obama is a pure hard left liberal. His changing his spots during a Presidential campaign does not convince me.</p>
<p>Again with the 19th century Presidents.  This is not the 19th century, this is the 21st century.  Presidents back then were concerned about what the stable man was going to feed their carriage horse or who was going to be Ambassador that could speak French.  The world is much more complicated today.  The 19th century had it&#8217;s own unique challenges, but nothing like there is today.</p>
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		<title>By: lindainks55</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394794</link>
		<dc:creator>lindainks55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Regular I guess your one vote gets to go for whomever you choose, just like mine!  If you think crashing planes and being a victim of war is experience valuable to the presidency I guess your vote goes to McCain.  I know he doesn&#039;t have the experience I find valuable for the office!

From my link (above):

The most experienced President was James Buchanan, with Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford getting the silver and bronze medals, respectively. Chester A. Arthur had a mere 1.5 years experience before he was elevated to the Presidency upon the assignation of President Garfield. If experience and greatness correlate, one would expect the top half of the table (the most experienced Presidents) to be mostly green (good) and the bottom half (inexperienced) to be mostly red (bad). If there is no correlation, the red and green should be random. Indeed, the latter seems to be the case. The top half in terms of experience (above the gray bar) has 11 bad Presidents and 10 good ones, essentially no correlation between greatness and experience. If you don&#039;t like this result and want to try for a better one, just get the spreadsheet and start weighting the columns. Undoubtedly you will be able to get a different result if you try hard enough. But the point remains, the Presidents with a lot of experience have not been more outstanding than those with little experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Regular I guess your one vote gets to go for whomever you choose, just like mine!  If you think crashing planes and being a victim of war is experience valuable to the presidency I guess your vote goes to McCain.  I know he doesn&#8217;t have the experience I find valuable for the office!</p>
<p>From my link (above):</p>
<p>The most experienced President was James Buchanan, with Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford getting the silver and bronze medals, respectively. Chester A. Arthur had a mere 1.5 years experience before he was elevated to the Presidency upon the assignation of President Garfield. If experience and greatness correlate, one would expect the top half of the table (the most experienced Presidents) to be mostly green (good) and the bottom half (inexperienced) to be mostly red (bad). If there is no correlation, the red and green should be random. Indeed, the latter seems to be the case. The top half in terms of experience (above the gray bar) has 11 bad Presidents and 10 good ones, essentially no correlation between greatness and experience. If you don&#8217;t like this result and want to try for a better one, just get the spreadsheet and start weighting the columns. Undoubtedly you will be able to get a different result if you try hard enough. But the point remains, the Presidents with a lot of experience have not been more outstanding than those with little experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394790</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lindainks55
Posted August 3, 2008 at 6:55 pm &#124; Permalink

How Good Are Experienced Presidents? 
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This isn&#039;t the 19th century, this is the 21st century where things are much more complicated and decisions sometimes must be made in seconds, not days, weeks or months like the 19th century.

Executive experience, like being a Governor, or a high ranking officer in the military, or head of a corporation.

When one manages over a large group of people, places and things, they gain insight into what it takes to lead and how to manage.  Without that experience, everything is a crap shoot. 

Being a good speaker and popular are not qualifications to be President.  I don&#039;t want to risk the country&#039;s health and wealth on someone who hasn&#039;t lead more than a boy scout troop size of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lindainks55<br />
Posted August 3, 2008 at 6:55 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>How Good Are Experienced Presidents?<br />
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This isn&#8217;t the 19th century, this is the 21st century where things are much more complicated and decisions sometimes must be made in seconds, not days, weeks or months like the 19th century.</p>
<p>Executive experience, like being a Governor, or a high ranking officer in the military, or head of a corporation.</p>
<p>When one manages over a large group of people, places and things, they gain insight into what it takes to lead and how to manage.  Without that experience, everything is a crap shoot. </p>
<p>Being a good speaker and popular are not qualifications to be President.  I don&#8217;t want to risk the country&#8217;s health and wealth on someone who hasn&#8217;t lead more than a boy scout troop size of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Political_mama</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-83-2/#comment-394788</link>
		<dc:creator>Political_mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor parkay and his poor rights.  Too bad he doesn&#039;t appreciate other&#039;s rights.</description>
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