Open thread 8/28

149 Comments

  1. JWink
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Well another hot day today … maybe the last hot, steamy day of the summer. Of course, Indian summer might produce a few more.

    Labor Day weekend coming up, so what the heck, drive somewhere and help the oil barons.

    The Moon is slivering down to become a “new” moon on Saturday … that is, sometime Saturday, the moon will be precisely on the same side of the Earth as the Sun, although of course many miles apart. Under some circumstances this alignment could produce an eclipse of the sun by the moon but not this weekend. Then the moon will begin waxing towards another full moon in about two weeks.

    So have a good day!

  2. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    The power grid and wind energy don’t mesh well

    When the builders of the Maple Ridge Wind farm spent $320 million to put nearly 200 wind turbines in upstate New York, the idea was to get paid for producing electricity. But at times, regional electric lines have been so congested that Maple Ridge has been forced to shut down even with a brisk wind blowing.

    That is a symptom of a broad national problem. Expansive dreams about renewable energy, like Al Gore’s hope of replacing all fossil fuels in a decade, are bumping up against the reality of a power grid that cannot handle the new demands.

    The dirty secret of clean energy is that while generating it is getting easier, moving it to market is not. The grid today, according to experts, is a system conceived 100 years ago to let utilities prop each other up, reducing blackouts and sharing power in small regions. It resembles a network of streets, avenues and country roads. “We need an interstate transmission superhighway system,” said Suedeen G. Kelly, a member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

    While the United States today gets barely 1 percent of its electricity from wind turbines, many experts are starting to think that figure could hit 20 percent. Achieving that would require moving large amounts of power over long distances, from the windy, lightly populated plains in the middle of the country to the coasts where many people live. Builders are also contemplating immense solar-power stations in the nation’s deserts that would pose the same transmission problems.

    The grid’s limitations are putting a damper on such projects already. Gabriel Alonso, chief development officer of Horizon Wind Energy, the company that operates Maple Ridge, said that in parts of Wyoming, a turbine could make 50 percent more electricity than the identical model built in New York or Texas. “The windiest sites have not been built, because there is no way to move that electricity from there to the load centers,” he said.

    The basic problem is that many transmission lines, and the connections between them, are simply too small for the amount of power companies would like to squeeze through them. The difficulty is most acute for long-distance transmission, but shows up at times even over distances of a few hundred miles….

    In Texas, T. Boone Pickens, the oilman building the world’s largest wind farm, plans to tackle the grid problem by using a right of way he is developing for water pipelines for a 250-mile transmission line from the Panhandle to the Dallas market. He has testified in Congress that Texas policy is especially favorable for such a project and that other wind developers cannot be expected to match his efforts. “If you want to do it on a national scale, where the transmission line distances will be much longer, and utility regulations are different, Congress must act,” he said on Capitol Hill….

    The Texas Utility commission has already approved lines to transmit the power from West Texas to the municipalities. I suspect it will be a bigger problem in places like New York where regulators tend to have turf battles and throw up road blocks. New Jersey will probably be even worse. It appears that the cost of electricity from wind is going to be much more than the price of the turbines. I think the environmental lobby will also throw up road blocks. It is what they do.

    http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/power-grid-and-wind-energy-dont-mesh.html

  3. KansasNative
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Alien hunters flock to lone desert mailbox
    BY ASHLEY POWERS
    Los Angeles Times

    TIKABOO VALLEY, Nev. – The only landmark for about 40 miles on a barren stretch of highway is a mailbox battered by time and desert gusts. It’s known as the Black Mailbox, although it’s actually a dingy white.

    Over the years, hundreds of people have converged here in south-central Nevada to photograph the box — the size of a small television, held up by a chipped metal pole. They camp next to it. They try to break into it. They debate its significance or simply huddle by it for hours, staring into the night.

    Some think the mailbox is linked to nearby Area 51, a military installation and purported hotbed of extraterrestrial activity. At the very least, they consider the box a prime magnet for flying saucers.

    A few visitors have claimed to have encountered celestial oddities. But most enjoy uneventful nights at the mailbox, situated between the towns of Alamo and Rachel.

    Alien hunters here are surrounded by like-minded company. Few people around here roll their eyes at tales of spaceships, military conspiracies and extraterrestrials that abduct and impregnate tourists.

    This night, Lester Arnold, a 59-year-old industrial mechanic, is in Rachel offering to show visitors Mailbox Road. He has traveled from Declo, Idaho, for the annual UFO Friendship Conference Camp Out. A few years ago at the mailbox, Arnold says, he saw a fireball-like object shoot over the mountains, stop and shrink until it vanished.

    He meets Steve Crosby at a double-wide trailer called the Little A’Le’Inn, a Rachel restaurant, bar and tourist stop. Crosby, 57, lives in Bedford, Texas, and hopes to have a second spacecraft sighting (his first was a bluish oval that zipped over Atlanta, he says).

    The guys and three others caravan to the mailbox on the state-christened Extraterrestrial Highway, a two-lane road that tumbleweeds cross more frequently than cars. The cows grazing alongside it, conspiracy theorists whisper, are mounted with spy cameras. The men park near the mailbox and a bullet-dinged stop sign, and they open their doors to silence.

    The box is made of quarter-inch-thick bulletproof metal, and its door is clamped shut with a lock. Its owner, say the black letters printed on its side, is STEVE MEDLIN, HC 61, BOX 80.

    “That’s probably the most photographed mailbox in the world,” Arnold says, his gruff voice tinged with awe.

    Whose mailbox?

    The owners of the mailbox, Steve and Glenda Medlin, moved in 1973 to a cattle ranch in Tikaboo Valley, about 80 miles north of Las Vegas. There was no talk of aliens and no home mail delivery.

    A few years later, a local tungsten quarry reopened. Some miners moved to a trailer park near the Medlins; it grew into the town of Rachel. Postal carriers began delivery, and the couple put up a common black rural mailbox about six miles from their home, near Highway 375.

    In 1989, according to a history of Rachel, a man named Bob Lazar told a Las Vegas television station that he had worked with alien spacecraft at nearby Nellis Air Force Base. He and his buddies, Lazar claimed, also watched saucer test flights in Tikaboo Valley.

    So many tourists soon descended on Rachel — on the edge of the valley — that the Rachel Bar & Grill was renamed the Little A’Le’Inn. People would down Alien Burgers and beer before making their way to the mailbox, the only landmark in Tikaboo Valley. The mailbox acquired a cult-like following.

    “For some reason, Tuesday nights was when they thought the aliens came out. Then it was Wednesdays,” Glenda Medlin says with notable disdain. UFO tourists left messages in the mailbox for the aliens — on business cards, napkins, notebook scraps. “They were waiting for the aliens to abduct them, and they were anxious to meet them…. We’d just shake our heads,” says Glenda Medlin, who long ago stopped reading the notes. “It was so asinine.”

    Glenda Medlin doesn’t remember when her husband swapped out the black mailbox for the larger white bulletproof one, but an online posting pegs the date as March 27, 1996. The next month, Steve Medlin attached a second box solely for the alien-seekers: It has a mail slot and is labeled ALIEN on one side and DROP BOX on another; some people slide in dollar bills.

    Through it all, the Black Mailbox has remained an enigma, puzzled over on Internet message boards.

  4. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    I’m still in shock at the death of Del Martin. What a woman. What an example of a life well lived. She shared all she had, and especially, she shared herself. With all women. And when you read her list of firsts, and accomplishments, you see that she was so much more than a lesbian activist at a time that could get you killed. She was much more than a feminist, at a time that could get you fired and black listed.

    She was a human activist. At a time the world needed her. She may be gone, but the world needs people like her more than ever.

    Rest in peace Del. The peace that comes from giving yourself, your all, your soul, to lift all humans to a higher level.

    http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2008/08/27/3

  5. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    I’m so glad she and Phyllis were able to legally marry before she died. They worked for that day for over fifty five years. They were, by agreement, the first same sex couple to marry in California. I’m glad she lived to see it, even though she was in a wheel chair on her wedding day.

  6. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Breaking down the science once again. Creationists cringe as facts are presented they hate (they deny Neanderthals existed).

    New Evidence Debunks ‘Stupid’ Neanderthal Myth

    ScienceDaily (Aug. 26, 2008) — Research by UK and American scientists has struck another blow to the theory that Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) became extinct because they were less intelligent than our ancestors (Homo sapiens). The research team has shown that early stone tool technologies developed by our species, Homo sapiens, were no more efficient than those used by Neanderthals.

    Published in the Journal of Human Evolution, their discovery debunks a textbook belief held by archaeologists for more than 60 years.

    More at:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080825203924.htm

  7. KansasNative
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    It’s interesting that the CON regulars here watch so much of the Dems Convention.

    I won’t watch theirs…who wants to see a bunch of old farts guffawing and chasing after young boys?

  8. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Yeah KN, I thought that too. I would never be able to watch so many days and hours of lie after lie after lie after lie….

    Besides, I get tired of 911! 911! POW! POW! JESUS! JESUS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS!

    And especially… WAR! WAR! WAR!

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Maybe I could watch it if someone was here with me and we could play a drinking game that required us to shoot tequila every time someone mentions they think obama is a muslim…

  9. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    “I won’t watch theirs…who wants to see a bunch of
    old farts guffawing and chasing after young boys?”

    Hey, that’s not true, some chase after young girls. After all, there are only so many young boys available and those go to the Republicans with the most seniority.

    I must admit this, in order to not denigrate McCain, but he won’t chase after young boys. He only prefers young women with huge bank accounts.

  10. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    I just hope grandpa doesnt make a poopy on stage with all the excitement and all!

  11. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Heheheheh MP. Young BLONDS with big bank accounts.

  12. KansasNative
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    …young blue eyed blondes with big breasts…

  13. KansasNative
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    mein fuherer…we must keep the motherland PURE!

  14. KansasNative
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Which is more important to McShame…big breasts or big bank accounts?

  15. Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Oh I’ll be watching.

    I bet they have the water cannons ready for the Ron Paul supporters. And who knows when someone on the convention floor might suddenly be frog marched out.

    It’s just too bad we could not build a great big roach motel for the con vention.

    Check ‘em in they don’t check out.

  16. Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Geez, I wonder if blackwater will provide their security and KBR or Halliburton will supply the water? The electricity?

    I’m betting not. When it comes to their own safety and security, they’ll be using union guys who know what they’re doing.

    For the troops? Not so much…

  17. KansasNative
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    True enough KFG…but I’ll bet more money LEAVES Minnesota than comes in…

  18. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl” shares –

    “I’m so glad she and Phyllis were able to legally marry before she died. They worked for that day for over fifty five years. They were, by agreement, the first same sex couple to marry in California. I’m glad she lived to see it, even though she was in a wheel chair on her wedding day.”

    I remember that story when they married.

    Pretty damned poignant.

    And their life together is classic, albeit ironic, proof that in some ways “A marriage certificates is just a piece of paper.”

    What they had before their wedding day was more than a half-century of true marriage, the kind Shakespeare wrote about. It just took ‘em a while to get the paper.

    I want to say something such as, “Godspeed, Del Martin.” But God’s speed seems pretty pokey sometimes.

  19. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    sheeesh…bashing things that MIGHT happen? You people really need to get a life, you know that?

  20. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Been out of the loop for a while. What happened with the DNC floor vote?

  21. Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    It went as predicted sol. Hillary moved to nominate obama by acclaim. She’s been classy and gracious throught the ocnvention.

    coronation is tonight.

    But on a more important note, how was the BBQ?

  22. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Brisket was pretty damned good. Cut it into 3 pieces, med rare, med and well done. The beans were out of this world. Found a few recipes for tortillas.

    I heard the vote was slightly rigged. Would be nice to know what a true vote would have resulted in.

  23. GMC70
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    “You know, I am a believer in … in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job. Uh, and I think that … if I were seriously to consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now, before having served a day in the Senate. Now there may be some people who are comfortable doing that, but I am not one of those people.” — Barack Obama, 2004

    Wow. In his honest moments, even Obama knows better.

  24. gster
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Is the pc doa?

  25. lindainks55
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    I think the “liberal press” must be stretched thin or maybe wearing out. McCain’s camp is trying really hard to make their VP selection “THE NEWS” the way it was with the Democratic selection. Doesn’t seem to be working!

  26. lindainks55
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Did anyone see that the Justice Department is trying to get the Abramoff sentence reduced? Ya know, since he helped them so much and all that. Kinda surprised me since it brings attention back to Abramoff right before bush pardons him.

  27. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    #
    lindainks55
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    I think the “liberal press” must be stretched thin or maybe wearing out. McCain’s camp is trying really hard to make their VP selection “THE NEWS” the way it was with the Democratic selection. Doesn’t seem to be working!
    ___________________________________________________

    Good morning Linda!

    It seems they have you talking about it!

  28. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Hey Farm girl,

    I finally broke down and clicked on one of your links again. Great looking puppy! When do you get him?

    I’ve always got extra crates if you need one for the trip, let me know.

  29. lindainks55
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    You know the more I think about that Abramoff subject and bush’s jerryrigged Justice Department trying to get his sentence reduced, the stranger it seems. WHY would they want any attention brought to him at this time? Could it be because he has some more to say? Could it be that they have a need to treat him really nice really quickly?

  30. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Hank,

    Does CCS make coal “clean”?
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-826-2/#comment-409674

  31. Freebird1971
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Hank,
    When our schedules permit I would like to take you up on your offer. Even though we are miles apart politically I don’t see any reason why we cant have a discussion like normal people,unlike the belief of others here

  32. Freebird1971
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    It’s official my son got the phone call and he starts as a rookie firefighter for the city of Wichita Sept 8th

  33. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Congrats, Free! Tough job….but sure am glad we have people that want to do it! Most people run OUT of burning buildings!

  34. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    FreeBird,

    Congrats to you and your son.

  35. Freebird1971
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    He was fire crash and rescue in the Marines and has wanted this ever since he got out. He has worked long and hard for this even though he is taking a hell of a paycut from Boeing. Tells me he isn’t doing it for the money. I’m a very proud dad.

  36. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Hey cosmos,

    There’s a much bigger question and much bigger picture that you seem to be unable to focus on.

    The energy requirements of the world will increase by 40% over the next 20 years. The US is a vital part of the world’s effort to cloth and feed its population. We have the cleanest energy use of any nation in the world.

    When two-bit politicians like Sebilius shut down clean coal fired plants in the US, energy production and jobs move to third world countries like China. China has no restrictions on coal fired plants. The efforts of the greenie weenies in the US like you and others are actually making the environment a lot nastier. Our economy and our living standards suffer.

  37. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Hey Freebird,

    Congrats to your son! I think we have a lot more in common than you might glean from the BLOG. My boy is a Marine too. My wife and I attended his graduation from boot camp in San Diego and it was one of the proudest days of my life!

    You gave Raptor and me a scare last weekend, maybe we could meet for lunch Saturday or Sunday. Hell, we could make it a ‘meetup’. Non-denominational of course!

  38. Freebird1971
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Hey I’m doing great non denominational sounds great. I work 3rd shift so most eve I’m free except one eve a week it’s granpa and grandson time. I alos apologized to your son but never got a response. How did I scare you and Raptor? Didn’t mean to

  39. Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Hey Hank, thanks for the offer, but my pals are having a “puppy shower” for little Miss Summer, so I think we’ll have all we need. She is already crate trained and house trained. My friends who are in Weim Rescue are keeping her for me and say she’s a real hoot. She wants all five of their big Weims to know she is a BIG girl too! They are just rolling their eyes at her, as only Weims can do….

    I’ve waited almost three years since my girl Concha died, so I’m pretty excited at the idea of a new baby.

  40. Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Here’s a picture of Phyllis and Del at their first wedding. Ya know, the one that was declared illegal. They got married legally again in June, and I think by then, Del was in a wheel chair.

    Can anyone look at this picture and not feel the love? And notice how most of the folks in the room are tearing up?

    I love this picture.

    http://yikes101.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-memoriam-del-martin.html

  41. Freebird1971
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    So Nathan knows about the “crucible and the “Reaper”. My son said that getting that eagle globe and anchor was the proudest day of his life and something no one could ever take from him. He wound up being stationed at Mirimar when he finished firefighting school

  42. Freebird1971
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Kfg, Looked at the picture sorry to say I didn’t know who she was until I saw the picture. That picture should be in the dictionary next to the word love

  43. Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Thank you freebird.

    Any of you who want to honor the memory of Del Martin can make a donation here

    http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nclr_getinvolved_NoOn8&JServSessionIdr011=oef4eerga3.app8a

    Dont let the hate mongers deprive another loving couple of marriage, ever, ever, again.

  44. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Energy! You forget how much energy a puppy has!

    We’re lucky, Lilly, the miniture Schnauzer and Boo the youngest male Beardie tag team our little Nikki and keep her worn out.

    She has her first dog show on Sept. 12th. She’ll be 6 months old to the day! She has moments of being a ‘big girl’, but she’s still 100% puppy.

    Glad you’re all set. Remember to take pictures every day, she’ll be all grown up before you know it and you never get too many pictures!

  45. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Hank posted August 28, 2008 at 10:40 am

    “Hey cosmos,

    There’s a much bigger question and much bigger picture that you seem to be unable to focus on.”
    ———–

    Hank,

    You’re the one who doesn’t see the “bigger picture”. Higher energy efficiency and renewables are much better (and cheaper) solutions than more dirty coal plants like in Holcomb.

    But continue living in your fantasy world of “global cooling”, and science denial.

  46. Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Yeah Hank. My roomie’s dog Lucky and I had a talk on the porch last night. She told me it was ok if we had a new baby, but she wanted to know if she would still be the Queen. I assured her she would be, so she’s volunteered to help raise the little hellion.

    It’s at least a 12 to 15 year commitment to take in a new puppy, so I have to say I hope I’m up to the task. Especially a Weim. But if Summer will put up with me, I’ll put up with her! ‘Cause, as you well know, we really dont own them or train them. They train us and own us!

    I hope I’m worthy. But.. bonus. I may teach this one to hunt!

  47. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    And Hank,

    If you can’t defend your opinions, you shouldn’t post them on a blog.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-826-2/#comment-409674

  48. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Global cooling gains momentum among scientists

    Aug 25, 2008 9:40 AM, By Elton Robinson
    Farm Press Editorial Staff

    Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev are so convinced that global temperatures will cool within the next decade they have placed a $10,000 wager with a United Kingdom scientist to prove their certainty. The criteria for the $10,000 bet will be to compare global temperatures between 1998 and 2003 with those between 2012 and 2017. The loser will pay up in 2018, according to an April 16, 2007, article in Live Science.

    Australian engineer Peter Harris says that the Earth is nearing the end of the typical interglacial cycle and is due for a sudden cooling climate change. “Based on this analysis we can say that there is a 94 percent probability of imminent global cooling and the beginning of the coming ice age.

    “Climate is becoming unstable,” Harris went on to say. “Most of these major natural processes that we are witnessing now are interdependent and occur at the end of each interglacial period, ultimately causing sudden long-term cooling.”

    Oleg Sorokhtin, merited scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and staff researcher of the Oceanology Institute, says to “stock up on fur coats and felt boots! Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect.

    “Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change, Sorokhtin said. “Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind. Man’s influence on nature is a drop in the ocean.”

    http://deltafarmpress.com/news/robinson-column-0825/

  49. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    And Hank,

    If you can’t defend your opinions, you shouldn’t post them on a blog.
    _______________________________________________

    LOL,

    And this is coming from a dweeb that is nothing but a mouthpiece for every left-wing nut-job greenie BLOG there is!

    You never bring an opinion to the BLOG, just left-wing propaganda!

    And I’m prepared to ‘defend’ a lot more than my opinion!

    nitwit

  50. sursum
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    hlp: Sorry to disagree but the US is the worst western/idustialized country by reason of total or individual pollution and efforts to curb it. Go to http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-pollutoncomparisons.htm for international comparisons.

  51. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    The World’s Leading Climate Scientists, in Their Own Words

    Claude Allegre, Ph.D.

    A member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and French Academy of Science, Allegre was among the first scientists to sound the alarm on potential dangers from global warming. His view now: “The cause of this climate change is unknown.”

    Richard Lindzen, Ph.D.

    A professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a member of the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, Lindzen says global warming alarmists “are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn’t happen even if the models were right.”

    Richard Toi, Ph.D.

    Principal researcher at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit and adjunct professor at the Carnegie Mellon University Center for Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, Toi calls the IPCC reports “preposterous … alarmist and incompetent.”

    Freeman Dyson, Ph.D.

    A professor at Princeton University and one of the most eminent physicists in the world, Dyson reports the models used to justify global warming are “full of fudge factors” and “do not begin to describe the real world.”

    The list goes on and on and on…

    http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23701

  52. HLP
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Speaking of dogs, going to work ducks before it get really hot.

  53. Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Doug,

    I never heard that before, that creationists deny that Neanderthals exist. I went to a well known Creation web site to see and found this quote:

    “To young-earth creationists, the Neandertals are not mysterious, but rather incredibly intriguing. We view the Neandertals as the fully human ancestors of some modern humans, probably some Europeans and western Asians, where the Neandertals lived. Hence, we creationists would refer to them as Homo sapiens sapiens, or as a sub-species of modern humans: Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. Either way, we believe that they would be fully capable of reproducing with modern humans if they were living today. They were a post-Flood, Ice Age people, specializing in hunting the large, grazing animals that were abundant towards the end of the Ice Age and afterwards.”

    You are stretching the truth once again.

  54. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Free–the other day, you posted a rather cryptic:

    “ddsos”…

    We were concerned it was a request for help.

    But..we were both wrong…thankfully!

  55. Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Samkan, Neanderthals went extinct 25,000 years ago, creationists believe the universe is 10,000 years old. How do you explain the major problems of Neanderthals existing before the universe in the creationist mindset?

    Besides, Neanderthals don’t share their maternal lineage with modern humans. This is something I already mentioned on the forums but I’m happy to repeat it for you.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080807130824.htm

    Neanderthals genetically diverged away from modern human ancestors 660,000 years ago, much older than the age of the universe, according to creationist myth.

  56. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Doug…

    Not all creationists believe the universe is 10,000 years old. The Word of God provides no clue to the actual age of the earth. Science gives intelligent guesses as to the age of earth matter, but no clue as to WHEN God Created the earth.

  57. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Samkan, the true Christians have said the Bible says the Earth is just 6,000 years old. Nathan says he knows a number of scientists who can confirm this. If you can’t believe the Bible, backed up by the Almighty, then what can you believe?

    That’s the problem with Christianity, it’s always changing.

  58. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    “ddsos”…

    Different
    Day
    Same
    Old
    Sh!t

  59. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    true Christians

    Can you define that?

  60. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Doug… but you have no idea what you are talking about. God knows the “true Christians”, noone else.

  61. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    ahhhh…thanks, Sol. I interpreted it differently…

  62. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Sam, I do think there was just a slight bit of “tongue in cheek” in Doug’s comment… sarcasm if you will…. :-)

  63. Nathaniel
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Maggotpunk,

    I never claimed that I knew any scientist that could confirm that. I said I knew some who believed it.

    Wow, it is truly amazing how much these scientist seem to be able to claim from looking at just one bone.

    Right….

  64. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    You’re right Nathan, DNA is just a huge scientist conspiracy.

  65. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure you are aware, Nathan, that many murder cases are solved based on just the DNA sample from ONE human hair…. Why would you be surprised at the wealth of information that can be obtained from an entire bone??

  66. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Was Nathan one of the jurors on the O.J. Simpson trial?

  67. Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    I do believe if I was about 25 years younger, I would head back to University, and go after a degree in Forensic Anthropology… What a fascinating field of work!!

  68. outlander
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I remember a while back the case of the Piltdown man. It was discovered and declared the missing link. It was written about in journals and textbooks. Turned out is was just bone fragments from various sources. A hoax.

    Fossils don’t have DNA in them Chas.

  69. outlander
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Or I should say, most fossils don’t have DNA in them. They are mineralized.

  70. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    >Fossils don’t have DNA in them Chas.<

    Outie…. except maybe those T-Rex bones they discovered that still had blood in them. Anyone ever hear any more about that?

  71. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Outlander, you need to re-read the facts on the Piltdown hoax. Piltdown was created by an amateur archeologist, not a scientist, and the Piltdown was kept away from scientists so no proper evaluation could be made. When scientists finally did get a look at the Piltdown they declared it a hoax. Such is the self-correcting nature of the scientific method.

    Scientists will be surprised to know that DNA cannot be extracted from fossils. Perhaps you ought to inform them of your find.

  72. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    “Or I should say, most fossils don’t have DNA in them. They are mineralized.”

    Well yeah, in that case you are correct.

  73. Regular
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Actually, it depends on the type of fossil.

    Bone fossils can yield DNA if they have protein based GLA-(forgot what it’s called) left in them.

    The remnant is usually so small, that it can’t be replicated in the lab. One touch from a human finger and the sample is contaminated as well.

    Petrification, the complete process, prevents any microbiological examination in the way of sequencing though.

  74. outlander
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Never heard about that Sam. Wasn’t that the story line of Jurassic Park?

  75. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    That dinosaur tissue is believed to be a lovely bacterial slime that found itself in the cracks of the fossil, if memory serves correctly.

  76. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Outlander, please replace your reading glasses… I never said anything about DNA, other than in a strand of human hair!!

    Please stop trying to put words in my keyboard!!

  77. Predestined
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    It’s official my son got the phone call and he starts as a rookie firefighter for the city of Wichita Sept 8th

    Congratulations to your son, Free, and you, too. I have a friend whose son is firefighter for the city. He worked hard to get there. I’m sure your son did too.

  78. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
    Outlander, you need to re-read the facts on the Piltdown hoax. Piltdown was created by an amateur archeologist, not a scientist, and the Piltdown was kept away from scientists so no proper evaluation could be made. When scientists finally did get a look at the Piltdown they declared it a hoax. Such is the self-correcting nature of the scientific method.

    Kind of like those guys who claimed to have found a Bigfoot. Turned out to be a rubber suit.

  79. avtolle
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

    Above compilation of the latest presidential polling data offered for those who are interested in the same, even though there isn’t any real meaning in them.

  80. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Jurassic park had to do with the DNA found in a preserved insect, inside of a piece of Amber….

  81. fleettwood
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    “inside of a piece of Amber….”

    I have been there.

  82. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    “They were a post-Flood, Ice Age people”

    Problem is; the ‘ice gae’ took place BEFORE the earth was created.

    Unless, of course, you take this timeline consistent with the Torah:

    http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp

  83. outlander
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    When scientists finally did get a look at the Piltdown they declared it a hoax. Such is the self-correcting nature of the scientific method.

    Kind of like those guys who claimed to have found a Bigfoot. Turned out to be a rubber suit.

    ———-

    Of course, it took 40 years.

  84. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    “Kind of like those guys who claimed to have found a Bigfoot. Turned out to be a rubber suit.”

    That’s what the guvmint wants you to think. Bigfoot was behind 9/11!

  85. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Very funny, Doug!!

  86. BigFoot
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Bigfoot was behind 9/11!
    —–
    Nope, I was behind the hippie movement…long hair, stinky, greenies, herb, you can see the connection.

  87. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
    I’m sure you are aware, Nathan, that many murder cases are solved based on just the DNA sample from ONE human hair….

    *****************************************************

    Chas
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
    Outlander, please replace your reading glasses… I never said anything about DNA, other than in a strand of human hair!!

    Please stop trying to put words in my keyboard!!
    ****************************************************

    And, already, it begins.

  88. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I wondered why Bigfoot smelled like patchouli.

  89. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    SOL —- THANK YOU for re-posting what I said about DNA and a strand of human hair…. Just as I already stated…. I said nothing about DNA OTHER than that one statement!!

    So, WHAT is it that you see started???

    You cant READ either today??? Geez!!

  90. BigFoot
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Hey man, I have soap allergies and like a good buzz.

  91. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    SOL —- THANK YOU
    OTHER
    WHAT
    READ

    Yeah… about that caps lock problem. Maybe a new keyboard?

  92. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    It’s called EMPHASIS dude… for those that cant seem to read it right the first time… LOL

  93. BigFoot
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Chas, hey man, you going camping anytime soon??

  94. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    you going camping anytime soon??

    LMFAO

  95. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Re: Bigfoot

    DNFTT

  96. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Re: Bigfoot

    DNFTT

    Holly sh!t I’m laughing so hard my sides hurt.

  97. Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Outie,

    it’s hard to find any info on the dino blood other than in Answers in Genesis, but here is the latest link I could find:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3411/01.html

    I haven’t found anything on DNA testing.

  98. BigFoot
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Hey man, I read something about a purple chicken coop, that’s far out. I’d like to get in that place. It takes a lot of grub to fill this chino eyed 9′ frame man!

    Oh, Chas man, its Sasquatch not troll dude.

  99. StevenEDavis
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    From the Republican Party platform:

    “‘The same human activity that has brought freedom and opportunity to billions has also increased the amount of carbon in the atmosphere,’ the document reads. ‘Increased atmospheric carbon has a warming effect on the earth.’”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/28/AR2008082800041.html?nav=rss_politics

  100. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    ‘Increased atmospheric carbon has a warming effect on the earth.’”

    Then why is CO2 off the chart and this was one of the coldest years on record?

  101. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

  102. outlander
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    “Increased atmospheric carbon has a warming effect on the earth…””

    “…while the scope and long term consequences of this warming effect are the subject of ongoing research, we believe the United States should take measured and reasonable steps today.”

    ——————

    Overstated but overall, can’t argue too much with that. Throw the greenies a bone.

    Common sense is the key, especially since we are told by NASA to expect at least a decade of flat or cooler global temperatures. And after that, who knows? … because the scope and long term consequences of any warming are unknown.

  103. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    COLDEST JULY EVER RECORDED AT SOUTH POLE

    While some parts of the United States have been sweltering under the summer sun, the South Pole just recorded the coldest July ever. The average monthly temperature for July at the U.S. Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station was -66 degrees Celsius (-86.8 degrees Fahrenheit), breaking the record of -64.3 C (-83.7 F) set in July, 1965. The lowest temperature recorded during this past July was -77.9 C (-108.2 F). Temperature records have been kept continuously since January, 1957.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pfsf/is_199708/ai_4155803995

  104. StevenEDavis
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    This is hysterical:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/28/AR2008082800041_3.html?nav=rss_politics

    Democrats to Use Image Of McCain Embracing Bush

    SEDONA, Ariz. — Democrats are planning to use images of John McCain embracing President Bush on billboards and in bus stops around Minneapolis and St. Paul during the Republican National Convention next week, part of an effort to drive home their message that McCain represents “more of the same” in Washington.

    The images show McCain and Bush in a hearty embrace against a black background. The words “More politics as usual” and “Does this look like change to you?” are written above and below the image.

    The ad will run in more than 20 bus shelters, Democratic sources say, including four that serve the Xcel Center, where the convention is being held. It will also run on a mobile billboard that will follow McCain from Dayton, Ohio, to the convention.
    *****

    A copy of the image here:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/27/203052/831

  105. outlander
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Bus shelters. That is hilarious Steven.

    Playing to the constituents.

  106. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    “bth” notes –

    “…Turned out to be a rubber suit.”

    A rubber suit stuffed with possum entrails.

    I thought maybe those guys had found “Regular.”

  107. beber
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    “While some parts of the United States have been sweltering under the summer sun, the South Pole just recorded the coldest July ever.” — Sol.

    I think for accuracy’s sake Sol, you might reveal that you quotation is from a 1997 article. –
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pfsf/is_199708?pnum=2&opg=4155803995&tag=artBody;col1

  108. Posted August 28, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    “Bus shelters. That is hilarious Steven.

    Playing to the constituents.”

    The shot at people who use mass transit, many of them poor, is noted outlander.

    Give us some more of that old time religion!

    Can ya feel the love?

  109. beber
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    And misplaced, Blue Jay. Mass transit is used by everyone in cities which actually have it.

  110. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    THE MONTH OF JULY BEGAN WARM WITH HIGH TEMPERATURES IN THE LOW 70S…HOWEVER
    TEMPERATURES QUICKLY FELL BELOW NORMAL AFTER THE 5TH WHEN A SERIES OF WET
    AND COOL WEATHER SYSTEMS MOVED INTO SOUTHEAST ALASKA AND CONTINUED THROUGH
    THE REST OF THE MONTH.

    THE AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURE FOR THE MONTH OF 58.0 DEGREES WAS THE LOWEST
    AVERAGE HIGH FOR THE MONTH OF JULY EVER RECORDED SINCE RECORDS BEGAN IN
    1943.

    http://www.arh.noaa.gov/arhdata/validFcsts/public/CXAK57PAJK

    **************************************************

    Coldest July morning for 25 years
    Posted Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:34am AEST

    Adelaide has shivered through the coldest July morning since 1983. (user submitted: David Slade)

    Adelaide has shivered through the coldest July morning since 1983.

    The minimum temperature of 0.8 degrees Celsius was recorded at 6.25am.

    Elsewhere in the state, Tarcoola recorded -0.1 and Yunta recorded -0.5 degrees.

    Weather Bureau duty forecaster Belinda Gibson says Naracoorte has had the lowest temperature.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/28/2315865.htm

    ***************************************************

    GLOBAL WARMING? IT’S THE COLDEST WINTER IN DECADES

    By Tony Bonnici

    NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world’s ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.

    Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.

    It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.

    But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.

    dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EBAB74DA8F94C559!5239.entry?6d774158

  111. CapnAmerica
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    HOW ILLEGAL U.S. SPYING HURTS AMERICANS

    Awhile back, the CONjobs around here asked “how have you personally been harmed by [illegal] government survellience?”

    It turns out, not surprisingly, that reporters’ sources will no longer use phones to speak anonymously to reporters because they fear gov’t is listening in.

    This is especially problematic given the chilling effect that it is having on whistle-blowers coming forward.

    So, how are we being harmed by illegal spying?

    1. We’re not getting important news that we should be getting. 2. Our gov’t is less accountable for its crimes since witnesses are more intimidated about coming forward.

    But that, of course, is what the CONjobs want . . .

  112. Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Here in the US, this is the Labor Day weekend, a holiday created in recognition of the organized labor movement.

    “Whatever their faults, unions have been the only powerful and effective voice working people have ever had in the history of this country.”
    -Bruce Springsteen

    “Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions. One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the goodness of their hearts.”
    -Molly Ivins

  113. Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    CapN says >>>>

    “Awhile back, the CONjobs around here asked “how have you personally been harmed by [illegal] government survellience?””

    AND >>>>

    “1. We’re not getting important news that we should be getting. 2. Our gov’t is less accountable for its crimes since witnesses are more intimidated about coming forward.”

    “.. send not to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee..” (John Donne, Poet)

  114. Regular
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Here in the US, this is the Labor Day weekend, a holiday created in recognition of the organized labor movement.

    “Whatever their faults, unions have been the only powerful and effective voice working people have ever had in the history of this country.”
    -Bruce Springsteen

    “Although it is true that only about 20 percent of American workers are in unions, that 20 percent sets the standards across the board in salaries, benefits and working conditions. If you are making a decent salary in a non-union company, you owe that to the unions. One thing that corporations do not do is give out money out of the goodness of their hearts.”
    -Molly Ivins
    ——————–
    Except if your a professional, such as an Engineer, Lawyer, Scientist or many other professions. They don’t belong to unions and I do believe their pay is quite good.

    I also believe they don’t owe their pay to unions either.

    Does Molly Ivins always make generalist statements that don’t apply to all Americans or is that just political diatribe?

  115. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    HOW ILLEGAL U.S. SPYING HURTS AMERICANS

    How did Obama vote on FISA?
    McCain?

  116. Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Machinists approve Hawker Beechcraft contract
    BY MOLLY MCMILLIN, The Wichita Eagle

    Machinists union members at Hawker Beechcraft voted today to accept the company’s offer of a new three-year contract.

  117. Regular
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    HOW ILLEGAL U.S. SPYING HURTS AMERICANS

    Awhile back, the CONjobs around here asked “how have you personally been harmed by [illegal] government survellience?”

    It turns out, not surprisingly, that reporters’ sources will no longer use phones to speak anonymously to reporters because they fear gov’t is listening in.
    —————–
    No doubt the NSA has “Big Ears” tuned in on the Wichita Eagle.

    The CIA no doubt has dozens of agents spying on the Topeka paper and the DIA has repositioned its satellites over Denver and the DNC.

    BTW, they are having a tinfoil hat sale, just outside of Denver, you should catch a flight and get a few, bulk discount you know.

  118. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB seems to be trying to prove that he doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “global”.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/jul/global.html#temp

    And that he doesn’t understand Arctic sea ice.

    “It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.

    But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.”
    ——-

    But the new (1-year) ice is thinner, and easily melted.

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

  119. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Doncha love the unsubstantiated claims? Which reporters are not getting sources to talk to them? How often? What are they not talking to reporters about?

    Kinda vague commentary with absolutely no validity to it whatsoever. The kind of stuff we have come to expect from capn….just the delusional rantings of an over the top extremist, spouting his typical rhetoric with no proof whatsoever.

    Facts? Nawww…capn don’t need no steekin facts…

  120. StevenEDavis
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    No, Mike. My favorite location was the mobile sign that will be following McCain’s bus to St. Paul. He can drive, but he cannot hide. As someone else would say: hee, hee, hee, hee, heeeee….

  121. SolDevVB
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Latest NOAA Press Release in Total Disagreement with NASA Satellite

    The global data bases suffer from major station dropout after 1990 (number dropped from 6000 to less than 2000) and a ten fold increase in the number of missing months in the stations that report. There are serious problems with their algorithms for assessing whether a station is urban or rural and adjusting for local land use changes. There are major siting issues, many of which Anthony Watts, Steve McIntyre and Roger Pielke Sr. have shown have not been properly adjusted for. An old version of a document describing these issues can be found here. Please note the NERON networks plans of NOAA morphed into the Climate Reference Network, a relatively small number (110 if fully implemented) properly sited instrument locations that should provide a better tracking of at least US climate in the future but will not resolve the historical US and current global discrepancies.

    http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/latest-noaa-press-release-in-total-disagreement-with-nasa-satellite/

  122. StevenEDavis
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    beber
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
    And misplaced, Blue Jay. Mass transit is used by everyone in cities which actually have it.
    *****
    This would be true.

  123. Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    LABORERS Regular — LABORERS —- Hourly wage earners…. NOT contracted employees.

    BIG difference there… But… you already knew that…. you just want to flam a fight… Hey, it’s a holiday weekend… not good for fighting!!

    Besides, the “Messiah” comes tonite!!

  124. Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    /sarcasm off!!

  125. Regular
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    LABORERS Regular — LABORERS —- Hourly wage earners…. NOT contracted employees.

    BIG difference there… But… you already knew that…. you just want to flam a fight… Hey, it’s a holiday weekend… not good for fighting!!

    Besides, the “Messiah” comes tonite!!
    ————————————
    Perhaps the ‘Messiah’ will have an ending just like Mel Gibson’s movie, except it will be political no physical and spiritual.

    Wait three days and see if your ‘Messiah’ is resurrected from his languishing polls.

  126. StevenEDavis
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Hey, capn,
    What is it like living in Raptor’s head? Is it dark, spacious, scary at all?

  127. Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Typical Regular — Go after the poster, and not the content… Such a waste of time….

  128. Regular
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Typical Regular — Go after the poster, and not the content… Such a waste of time….
    ——————
    Where did I do this?
    I was referring to your “Messiah” not you.

  129. CapnAmerica
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, Steven.

    I have Raptor on “ignore” these days.

    If he wrote something about me, I wouldn’t have seen it.

  130. annie_moose
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    ouch things aren’t looking so bright for the ownership society

    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/only-17-equity-funds-black/story.aspx?guid={8C79C669-46A7-4F15-87DD-5B80248A50D6}

    This update of a story originally published Aug. 26 clarifies that the 17 funds with a positive year-to-date return were drawn from a list of only those funds with positive one-year returns.

    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Out of almost 2,100 diversified retail U.S. stock mutual funds that are open to new investors, just 17 have positive returns for both the past 12 months and year-to-date, according to investment researcher Morningstar Inc. Nancy Tooke runs three of them.

  131. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, Steve…capn can’t handle being asked for facts for his rhetoric….so he pretends my posts aren’t there.

    Ohhhh, nooooo…capn has me on IGNORE….my life is over…sob..sob…sniff….

  132. Phantom
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Makes you wonder how many GITMO prisoners are just victims of tribal rivalry.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan_26

  133. TomPaine
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Sol, Seen Bob Barr on Colbert the other night and he’s on the global warming band wagon now, so that makes Both the major parties and most of the third parties saying global warming is a problem

  134. Posted August 28, 2008 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Nice snag, Moose.

    Just think if our Social Security funds were invested in those stocks like the “piratizers” wanted to do.

    Old folks would have less to live on than before.

    Wow. Good plan.

    :roll:

  135. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    and capn is lying once again. There is no ‘ignore’ feature on this blog.

  136. Raptor
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Sooo, Steve..do YOU have the facts to back up that fantasy story of capn’s about reporters not being able to get sources to talk because of fear of wiretapping?

    Or are you just going to believe it because capn wrote it and facts are not necessary?

  137. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB posted August 28, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    “Latest NOAA Press Release in Total Disagreement with NASA Satellite”
    ———-

    Why do you believe that surface temperatures should match the temperature of the lower 5 MILES of the atmosphere during a 1 month period? They don’t measure the same things.

    Joe D’Aleo seems to have used satellite data from the tropical regions (20S to 20N) (not global) in his graph.

    And you CANNOT directly compare anomaly data sets that use different “normals”.

    ‘What’s Up With That?’
    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/

  138. American
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Lawyers Refuse to Testify in Defense of Detroit Mayor

    Thursday, August 28, 2008

    DETROIT — Three lawyers are refusing to testify next week at a removal hearing for Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, possibly harming his ability to defend himself.

    Kilpatrick’s attorney, Sharon McPhail, in a letter dated Wednesday, urged Gov. Jennifer Granholm to seek subpoena power, delay the hearing or press the witnesses to appear.

    Granholm will hold a hearing next Wednesday that could lead to Kilpatrick’s removal from office.

    McPhail said she received a letter stating that lawyers Sam McCargo and Wilson Copeland are refusing to appear. A third attorney, John Johnson, also does not plan to appear.

    She said their failure to appear will be a “serious if not fatal blow” to the mayor’s defense.

    The Detroit City Council says the mayor misled it into approving an $8.4 million settlement with fired police officers. McCargo and Copeland had roles in that case; Johnson is a city attorney.

    But Kilpatrick’s lawyer woes don’t end there.

    On Wednesday, a former lawyer for Kilpatrick filed a lawsuit against the mayor claiming he’s owed about $80,000 in fees stemming from his work after Kilpatrick’s text-message scandal surfaced.

    William Moffitt of Alexandria, Va., was hired by Kilpatrick in February and replaced before Kilpatrick was charged with perjury in March. Moffitt contends in the lawsuit that Kilpatrick has continually refused to pay the bill.

    Mayoral spokesman Marcus Reese told the Detroit Free Press it’s unfortunate Moffitt decided to air an administrative issue in public, and his office will respond accordingly.

    Kilpatrick faces 10 felony counts in separate perjury and assault cases in Wayne County Circuit Court.

    In the first case, the 38-year-old Kilpatrick and ex-top aide Christine Beatty are charged with perjury, conspiracy, misconduct and obstruction of justice. They are accused of lying during the 2007 whistle-blowers’ trial about having an extramarital tryst and their roles in the firing of a deputy police chief.

    Text messages from Beatty’s city-issued pager contradicted their testimony, leading Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy to file charges against the two in March.

    The other charges stem from allegations that the mayor shoved one prosecutor’s investigator into another in July as they were attempting to serve a subpoena in the perjury case to a Kilpatrick friend.

    The criminal charges and Kilpatrick’s embarrassing one-night jail stay earlier this month for violating bond conditions have all but wiped out his past successes in bringing some clout to Detroit.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,412485,00.html

  139. American
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    FOX News Blogs » FOX Forum » Cal Thomas

    August 28th, 2008 8:44 AM Eastern

    Me, Myself and I: Bill Clinton Endorses Barack Obama

    Bill Clinton endorsed Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention, but he endorsed himself far more. I counted thirty-one uses of the first person (I, me, my).

    Speeches like this are notoriously disingenuous and Clinton did not disappoint. He claimed for himself and prophesied for Obama nothing but success.

    On the critical issue of whether Obama is fit to be commander in chief, Clinton said there were many who claimed he was too young and inexperienced to be president when he ran in 1992. The statement was meant to answer itself, but given Clinton’s failure to take out Usama bin Laden when he had the chance and his tepid response to the first World Trade Center attack, the Kobar Towers attack and the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria — all of which brought nothing more than a couple of missiles on inconsequential targets in Iraq — the question should answer itself. Clinton also dismantled the American military, which is why he could claim a surplus when he left office. A monetary surplus, yes, but a deficit in America’s defense capability.

    And, of course, Clinton directed his extended adolescence into extra marital affairs that diminished the office of the presidency and made him a laughingstock on late night TV and known for little else around the world. Who doesn’t think “sex” first when they hear the name “Bill Clinton”? Was Bill Clinton too young and immature to be president? Yes, he was.

    Clinton accused the Republicans of not caring as much about HIV/AIDS as he and Obama do. But that isn’t true. President Bush has done more for HIV/AIDS than any president, Democrat or Republican.

    Clinton gave the delegates what they wanted — red meat criticism of the Republicans, but it will be up to Obama to seal the deal Thursday night with the American people.

    Given that his speech may resemble a scene from “My Big Fat Greek Wedding” with retro Greek architecture as a backdrop, it may be more difficult for Obama to persuade Americans he is ready to be president than if he were to climb the steep hill to the Acropolis.

    http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/28/me-myself-and-i-bill-clinton-endorses-barack-obama/

  140. Rage
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Bluejay,

    Just a shot off a quick email to Monkeyhawk, with a cc: to my last addr for you. I cc’d Steven also, in case there were any communications issues.

  141. American
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    FOX News Blogs » FOX Forum » Betsy Newmark

    August 27th, 2008 8:57 PM Eastern

    The Whole Thing Is So Surreal

    I thought Hillary gave a very good speech that served her purpose of giving the Democrats a sense of buyer’s remorse. But the whole thing is so surreal. Everyone knows that deep down, Hillary would like Obama to lose so she could run again in 2012. And if we had any doubt, Bill Clinton is out there with semaphores signaling their ambivalence about Obama.

    Sure, she came out and talked all about why McCain had to be defeated and we couldn’t have another Republican president. She said the words urging Democrats to unite in electing Obama, but it was rather a generic endorsement saying we need a Democrat in the White House so we won’t have all the awful things happen when Republicans control the executive branch. There was no specific reason to support Obama just the fact that he was the Democratic candidate. There was nothing about him to suggest why specifically this man should be president except for the fact that he is a Democrat who won the nomination. And, as Tom Bevan noted, she left out the reason to vote for Barack Obama that is his weak spot that she’d questioned during the primaries — she never said that he was ready to be commander in chief.

    So she told her followers to support Obama. Which message are they supposed to believe — what she says or what they know deep down she wants? It all seems very postmodern with messages on different levels that people can decide which resonates more with them depending on if their goal is to help Hillary achieve her dream of winning the presidency or whether it is to make sure that the Democrats win the top prize this year.

    I suspect that most of the people who voted for her are traditional Democrats who want their side to win. And Obama is now their quarterback so they’ll rally behind him and he’ll get a nice bump in the polls as those Democrats come home. But that won’t be because Hillary told them to do so but because they just don’t want the Republican to win. If voters were such determined supporters of Hillary Clinton that they were just waiting to get the signal from her telling them what to do, why would they ignore her sub-message that she will be back to run again and the sooner the better?

    http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/27/the-whole-thing-is-so-surreal/

  142. Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Ken Ham is the founder of Answers in Genesis, the organization that built the creation “museum” in Kentucky. In a recent commentary on his Web page (http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/aroundtheworld/2008/07/20/hunger-for-aigcreation-museum-and-ministry-growing/), he again attacks both The Clergy Letter Project and me personally.

    My favorite part of his piece was when he said, “Recently, after the United Methodist General Conference overwhelmingly endorsed participation in ‘The Clergy Letter,’ the organizer of this letter (whom I have spoken with on radio but have never been able to find out what his beliefs are concerning Christianity—I suspect he is very anti-Christian) sent a copy to United Methodist clergy urging them to sign ‘The Clergy Letter’ and to participate in ‘Evolution Sunday.’”

    Anti-Christian? I find that personal attack both funny and very sad. But, I’m also well aware that if The Clergy Letter Project were not making a difference, we’d simply be ignored. So, let me offer all of you my congratulations for making such a difference.

    In two to three weeks we should be set to launch a new set of Web pages. Our new design is far more user friendly and I hope you like it. Please check us out at http://www.theclergyletterproject.org.

    That’s it for now. If you haven’t yet signed up to participate in Evolution Weekend 2009, now would be a great time to drop me a note. As always, thanks for your continued support.

    Michael

    Michael Zimmerman

    Office of the Dean
    College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
    Butler University
    Indianapolis, IN 46208

  143. sursum
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    CaptAmerica: Because Visa has it’s head office and files in Atlanta, foreign transactions are now subject to US administration scrutiny. This means a guy in London, England buying a suit has his personal information at the perusal of the US government, if it so wishes. Sometime ago our Allies stopped readily sharing sensitive information with American Intellgence by reason of “leaks” to the press for political gain or smearing under this administation, thus compromising their own Intelligence gathering abilities.

  144. Phantom
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    With obama and mccain polling neck and neck, the cons. have to be very afraid of a united party. I don’t think the repub. party splintered like we did. Hence, the endless attempts to stir the pot, by desperate cons.

  145. Phantom
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    What’s the difference between running the printing presses, or credit card companies extending credit helter skelter?

  146. lindainks55
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Good news! But remember cheney is going there next week and he can screw up the best of things!
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    Russia Turns East for Support Amid Row With West Over Georgia

    Russia looked East in its standoff with the West. It didn’t get much help.

    A summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a seven- nation security alliance that includes China and four former Soviet republics, yesterday declined to back its recognition of two breakaway Georgian regions. China expressed “concern,” said Qin Gang, a Foreign Ministry spokesman.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGRashi5IGAk&refer=home

  147. Mary_Caruso
    Posted August 28, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    The country won’t make the same mistake again…the Dems will have the White House in January.
    I don’t believe the polls…I can’t believe there are that many stupid people who would vote for more of the same. I predict Obama will win in a landslide.

  148. Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Rage for getting the word out to Monkeyhawk.

  149. Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    WTG Barack Obama, for a marvelous speech on Truth, Justice, and the American Way!!