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“The Interior Ministry has announced that it will crack down on sexual assault. During a recent press conference, President Hamid Karzai said that rapists should face “the country’s most severe punishment.” Yet on the same day, a man charged with the rape of a 7-year-old boy in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif escaped from prison. Three policemen, thought to have assisted his escape in exchange for a payoff, have been detained; the man has not been recaptured.”
Much adieu over nothing since Republicans consider rape to be funny.
“But as someone who works with a Republican legislature every day, I can tell you that we can’t bring about positive change unless we fix our divisive politics. We need to heed the words of another president, who came out of Illinois to lead the country at a difficult time, a man who warned us that “a house divided against itself cannot stand.”" – Governor Sebelius
McCain is the ONLY candidate who claims to be Christian yet will not acknowledge that he is saved through the blood of Jesus Christ.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/22/7236/
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Snake Oil Sellers of the Christian Right?
by Khody Akhavi
WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (IPS) – The U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs came under heavy criticism earlier this month from Muslim and religious freedom advocacy groups after it invited to a conference three self-professed “former terrorists” with strong links to the Christian right.0222 06
Collectively known as the “3-X Terrorists”, Walid Shoebat, Kamel Saleem and Zacharia Anani are front line soldiers in the U.S. “culture wars”, a discursive battle over “values” and hot-button issues ranging from abortion to radical Islam.
The men collected 13,000 dollars for their appearance at the 50th annual Academy Assembly, a four-day conference attended by 200 international students and Air Force cadets and organised under the auspices of the school’s political science department.
To supporters, the 3-X represent “moderate” voices; they are self-professed Muslim extremists who converted to evangelical Christianity and are now exposing Islam for what it really is. To critics, they are frauds, accused of fabricating much of their past exploits as mass murderers in order to peddle their Islamophobia on the lecture circuit and on cable news networks, including Fox News Corp. and CNN.
But it is their relationship with political leaders and organisations across the right-wing Christian spectrum that seems to have elicited the greatest concern from critics.
“These men are frauds, but that is not the point. They are part of a dark and frightening war by the Christian right against tolerance that, in the moment of another catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil, would make it acceptable to target and persecute all Muslims,” wrote former New York Times reporter Chris Hedges in a widely circulated online essay.
“They offer a window into a worldview that is destroying the United States. It has corrupted the Republican party. It has colored the news media. It has entered into the everyday clichés we use to explain ourselves to ourselves. It is ignorant and racist, but it is also deadly,” he said.
Controversy seems to follow Shoebat and his associates wherever they go. Members of the public and the news media were not allowed to attend a student-run forum featuring the three at Stanford University. Princeton University cancelled a scheduled talk by Shoebat in 2005 because it was perceived as being “too inflammatory”. In 2006, Columbia University restricted public attendance at a speech with Shoebat and former Nazi Hitler youth and German soldier Hilmar Von Campe only three hours before the event was to take place.
The Military Religious Freedom Organisation (MRFF), a group that is suing the federal government to combat what it describes as “creeping evangelism” in the armed forces, also denounced the visit.
The relationship between the evangelical Christian Right and 3-X runs deep, with connections to Reverend John Hagee’s Christian-Zionist Christians United for Israel (CUFI), as well as Focus on the Family, part of the para-church organisations that promote social conservative public policy in the U.S., and have maintained close relations with the George W. Bush administration.
Wind farms cause thousands of bats to die from trauma
Wind turbines pose a far more serious risk to bats than birds because their blades cause air pressure imbalances that can inflict fatal trauma. A six-week study at two wind farms in the eastern United States recorded 1,764 and 2,900 bat fatalities. Another American project found that bat deaths outnumbered bird deaths in Montana by two to one. Though death rates in Europe are generally lower than this, extensive bat casualties have been reported in Britain.
Birds die when they are struck by turning blades, but bats use echolocation to evade this danger. However, they are at much higher risk than birds of barotrauma – a condition caused by sudden drops in air pressure. In May Natural England, a government agency responsible for wildlife protection, acknowledged increasing concern about the impact of wind farms on bat populations, and called for more research to ascertain the level of risk.
In mainland Europe, noctules, common pipistrelles and Nathusius’s pipistrelles are most commonly recorded as casualties of wind farms. These species are listed by Natural England as high risk, together with Leisler’s bats.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4608418.ece
From the GREAT STATE OF MAINE…
Trust Me
“You’re a financial planner and you want to invest my retirement savings in scratch tickets?”
“Trust me. I was a POW.”
“You’re a plumber and you’re going to fix my clog with a stick of dynamite?”
“Trust me. I was a POW.”
“You’re a firefighter and you’re going to put out the flames with gasoline?”
“Trust me. I was a POW.”
“You’re a jeweler and you’re going to fix my Rolex with a hammer?”
“Trust me. I was a POW.”
“You’re a nuclear physicist and you’re giving out ‘free samples’ of enriched uranium to children?”
“Trust me. I was a POW.”
“You’re a surgeon and you’re using a rusty hacksaw?”
“Trust me. I was a POW.”
“You’re the Republican candidate for president and you want to fix the country’s problems even though you don’t know much about the economy, you don’t know how to use the internet, you don’t know how many houses you own or what kind of car you drive, you admit you don’t think clearly when you’re tired, you make frequent gaffes on foreign policy, you think offshore drilling is a short-term solution to high gas prices, you support torture and keeping the Guantanamo prison open, you make rash decisions and statements from which you have to quickly backtrack, you have an explosive temper on a hair trigger, your idea of health care reform is ‘wear more sunscreen,’ you’re for stem cell research except when it’s done on stem cells because you consider them all American citizens, and you voted to support the policies of the worst president ever 100 percent of the time this year?”
“Trust me, my friends. I was a POW.”
Only in Republicanland.
MonkeyHawk,
McCain HAS supported embryonic stem cell research. Maybe he doesn’t now that he has decided “life begins at conception.” But in the past when he favored abortion rights — ya know, before he changed his stance to pander to a few more voters — he also favored ESC research.
At that Values Agenda in the church in California he avoided the question. Like many of the questions he didn’t answer but instead rambled off with stories from his past.
It’s all he’s got! His past.
Oh, and his chance to start a war or two or three of his very own!
bomb bomb bomb Iran
Watchwords from the good Senator Clinton for today, tomorrow, til hell freezes over.
No way.
No how.
NO John McCain!
“It’s all he’s got! His past.”
Duh! And everyone else on the planet. The future hasn’t occurred and most of us don’t know from one moment to the next what exactly the present “is.”
Get them out!
LAUREL, Miss. (AP) – Federal officials say nearly 600 suspected illegal immigrants were detained in a raid on a manufacturing plant in southern Mississippi, making it the largest such sweep in the country.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92Q6K480&show_article=1
Good one Bill
from Boortz
Bill Clinton had a classic moment in Denver yesterday. He said, “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
Then after a long pause, he adds that “this has nothing to do with what’s going on now.” Riiiight.
Former Texas Rep. Charlie Wilson — yes, that Charlie Wilson — was speaking at an anti-war rally when he, um, flubbed a line:
“We should be led by Osama bin Laden,” he said, then quickly corrected himself. “I mean Obama and Biden.”
…and the Democrat party collectively slaps their forehead in exasperation….
By the way, the case against our anthrax guy didn’t look any better when I finally read the govt documents.
. . .just letting you know.
FDIC may borrow money from Treasury
Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC) might have to borrow money from the Treasury Department to see it through an expected wave of bank failures, the Wall Street Journal reported.
In a bid to replenish the $45.2 billion fund, Bair had said on Tuesday that the FDIC will consider a plan in October to raise the premium rates banks pay into the fund, a move that will further squeeze the industry.
The agency also plans to charge banks that engage in risky lending practices significantly higher premiums than other U.S. banks, Bair said.
The last time the FDIC had borrowed funds from the Treasury was at nearly the tail end of the savings-and-loan crisis in the early 1990s after thousands of banks were shuttered.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBNG28670420080827?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
A video that allows Democrats to laugh at themselves and Republicans to laugh even more heartily at the other guys.
From a pig snout, a banana and a condom to being “green,” the disgruntled and stubborn Hillary supporters, Yoga and Meditate ‘08, a look behind the scenes at the delegates.
Scroll down to VIDEO OF THE DAY.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/convention_cheat_sheet.html
Wind turbines make bat lungs explode
17:00 25 August 2008
NewScientist.com news service
Catherine Brahic
Beware: exploding lungs” is not a sign one would expect to see at a wind farm. But a new study suggests this is the main reason bats die in large numbers around wind turbines.
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn14593-wind-turbines-make-bat-lungs-explode.html
> > >The last time the FDIC had borrowed funds from the Treasury was at nearly the tail end of the savings-and-loan crisis in the early 1990s after thousands of banks were shuttered. < <
Wasn’t there some group, including Senators, that was up to their eyeballs in the S&L corruption? “Keating 5″ or something like that?
Interesting, isn’t it, that one of the Keating 5 is now the Republikan nominee. And it never gets mentioned in the “librul media”.
Uhh,
The Keating 5 story has been told about 1048710349876 times in the liberal media – AND in the responsible media (Fox News).
Doesn’t look good soldiers executed 4 Iraqis last yr.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080827/ts_nm/iraq_usa_soldiers_dc_1
New mccain slogan:
“I may not know how to fix the economy, or even foreign relations, but I did sleep at the Hanoi Hilton for five yrs.!”
Doesn’t look good soldiers executed 4 Iraqis last yr.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080827/ts_nm/iraq_usa_soldiers_dc_1
100 more years! 100 more years!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/27/tech/main4387426.shtml
ARTIC ICE AT 2ND LOWEST LEVEL since last year
(AP) Arctic Ocean sea ice has melted to the second lowest minimum since satellite observations began, according to scientists at the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center.
Sea ice melt recorded on Monday exceeded the low recorded in 2005, which had held second place.
With several weeks left in the melt season, ice in summer 2008 has a chance to diminish below the record low set last year, according to scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
Environmental groups said the ice melt was another alarm bell warning of global warming.
“It’s an unfortunate sign that climate change is coming rapidly to the Arctic and that we really need to address the issue of global warming on a national level,” said Christopher Krenz, Arctic project manager for Oceana.
“This is not surprising but it is alarming,” said Deborah Williams, a former Interior Department special assistant for Alaska. “This was a relatively cool summer, and to have ice decrease to the second lowest minimum on record demonstrates that global warming’s ongoing impact is profound.”
The National Snow and Ice Data Center, based at the University of Colorado, reported the ice Monday melted below the 2005 minimum of 2.05 million square miles set on Sept. 21 that year. Exact figures will be released Wednesday.
Through the beginning of the melt season in May until early August, daily ice extent for 2008 closely tracked the values for 2005, the center said.
In early August 2005, the decline began to slow. In August 2008, however, the decline has remained steadily downward at a brisk pace.
The most recent ice retreat primarily reflects melt in the Chukchi Sea off Alaska’s northwest coast and the East Siberian Seas off the coast of eastern Russia, according to the center.
The Chukchi Sea is home to one of two populations of Alaska polar bears.
Federal observers flying for a whale survey on Aug. 16 spotted nine polar bears swimming in open ocean in the Chukchi Sea. The bears were 15 to 65 miles off the Alaska shore. Some were swimming north, apparently trying to reach the polar ice edge, which on that day was 400 miles away.
Polar bears are powerful swimmers and have been recorded on swims of 100 miles but the ordeal can leave them exhausted and susceptible to drowning in high seas.
Sea ice is the primary habitat of polar bears. They depend on it to hunt their primary prey, ringed seals, which create lairs on ice for breeding and maintain breathing holes with powerful claws.
Summer sea ice last year shrunk to about 1.65 million square miles, nearly 40 percent less than the long-term average between 1979 and 2000. Most climate modelers predict a continued downward spiral, possibly with an Arctic Ocean that’s ice free during summer months by 2030 or sooner.
Krenz said the announcement Tuesday showed that last year’s record low sea ice was not an anomaly. As ice covers fewer square miles of ocean, he said, warming will accelerate.
“It’s going to accelerate climate change through changes in the reflectance of the Arctic,” he said. “It’s going from bright ice to a much darker ocean.”
More square miles of dark ocean will absorb more heat. More warmth will accelerate melting of Arctic permafrost, allowing organic matter now frozen to melt and add to the greenhouse gas problem, he said.
“That allows for the breakdown of that by bacteria and other organisms that release CO2 or methane, depending on how the breakdown occurs,” he said.
The effects faced by people in the Arctic eventually will reach the rest of the nation and the world, he warned.
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Maybe the science-deniers will re-post once again that discredited article that even the author renounced “proving” that sea ice is growing . . .
“FDIC may borrow money from Treasury” — Ms. Inks.
Highest CD rates in nation are being offered by banks most affected by housing crisis. These banks are trying to attract funds to cover their floats; if they go under, FDIC may be holding bag for trillions.
Correction: 2nd lowest level since 2005, not last year
High CD rates were the red flag during Reagan yrs.
“Wind farms cause thousands of bats to die from trauma”
Notice how the liberal animal activists are never there when it’s their issues that are hurting life. The wind turbines are a stupid idea because they can kill bats and they are also more expensive than what we have currently. Leave it to the dem libs.
One possible projection shows Gustav hitting N.O. during the convention. God may be sending another message.
Correct, Berber.
And why did banks fail in the Depression?
Making bad loans on houses.
That’s why the 2nd Glass-Steagal Act was passed in 1933 to regulate loans.
And what was repealed in 1998, right before the housing bubble and consequent melt-down?
The 2nd Glass-Steagal Act.
De-regulation works! It works to create the exact situation we had that led to the world-wide Depression in 1930 . . .
Phantom
Posted August 27, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink
One possible projection shows Gustav hitting N.O. during the convention. God may be sending another message.
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That message is: Don’t build your city below sea level.
Dear Hank,
Hey son! Aren’t you going to answer my questions?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/open-thread-826-2/#comment-409674
Let’s hurry and get McCain elected to ensure a world-wide depression in 2009!
“McCain is the ONLY candidate who claims to be Christian yet will not acknowledge that he is saved through the blood of Jesus Christ.”
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It is amazing how many people in this country think that they are Christians when they have not been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. I wonder where Obama stands on this issue. I have not heard him say that he is saved either.
I think a lot of people either don’t know about it because the Church does not preach the gospel anymore or they know about it and just can’t bring themselves to that first step of accepting that they are a sinner and asking for forgiveness.
Oh, fer heaven’s sake, would you CONs shut up about the bats?
Bats.
Like millions of bats aren’t hit by cars on highways or flying into fencing.
Sheesh, bats.
Why do you hate American Bats, Capn’A, why??
Borg–
McCain isn’t even baptised according to the church he attends.
Is it because the bats are black?
MaxGrobnik posted August 18, 2008 at 11:56 am
“The Arctic melt season is nearly done for this year.”
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Ooops!
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
So, is it your contention the bat species is threatened by wind turbines? Or, are they more like frogs, skunks, opossums, deer, etc. killed on roadways?
Bats eat mosquitoes. Mosquitos carry diseases. If to many bats die many more American Children will die of disease ridden mosquito bits. And you can blame this preventable health crisis on the effing wind turbines.
Have you Greenies no HEART??!!!
““I may not know how to fix the economy, or even foreign relations, but I did sleep at the Hanoi Hilton for five yrs.!””
Now that’s funny, I don;t care who you are.
Look, if you Libs get to kill a few thousand bats for energy, we should be able to kill a few thousand caribou and polar bears for energy. Fair is fair.
Bats carry rabies, windfarms are doing a public service.
Coal contains mercury. Mercury damages the developing cognitive skills of children, turning them into Republicans.
No wonder all the CONs love coal.
Phantom
Posted August 27, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink
Bats carry rabies, windfarms are doing a public service.
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Polar bears have large sharp flesh ripping teeth…Let’s kill em’, for public safety of course.
Think of the biomass difference, Anti. You’ll breed a b’jillion bats for the same mass of one caibou or polar (bi-polar?) bear. Someone oughta install a wind farm at Carlsbad Caverns!
polar (bi-polar?)
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Yes, they are a temperamental beast…very angry…ggrrrr!
Someone oughta install a wind farm at Carlsbad Caverns!
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Bat Mulch, the answer to the energy crisis.
How many children die each year from rabid bats??
How many children die each year from disease ridden mosquitoes??
No comparison.
You Watermelons really are heartless bastiches!!!
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!
‘Potential Impacts of Oil and Gas Development on Refuge Resources’
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
“The caribou’s preferred food during calving season is higher in nutrition, more digestible, and more available within the 1002 Area than in surrounding areas. To successfully reproduce, female caribou must be able to move freely throughout the 1002 Area to find adequate food resources to build up their fat reserves and milk. This allows them to produce healthy calves. Cows with newborn calves are particularly sensitive, and commonly move as much as 1.5 miles away from human disturbance. This has been well-documented in the vicinity of existing North Slope oil fields.
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There are fundamental differences between the calving areas of the Central Arctic and the Porcupine herds. In the case of the Central Arctic herd, there is a greater amount of alternative calving area available for displaced cows to move to because the mountains are much farther from the ocean.
The 1002 Area is only one-fifth the size of the area used by the Central Arctic caribou herd, but six times as many caribou use the 1002 Area. In the Arctic Refuge, where the mountains are close to the coast, few alternative areas would be available for displaced cows. If the 1002 Area was developed, the associated pipelines, roads, and structures would potentially impact the Porcupine Caribou herd by:
* reducing the amount and quality of preferred forage available during and after calving,
* restricting access to important coastal insect-relief habitats,
* exposing the herd to higher predation, and
* altering an ancient migratory pattern, the effects of which we can not predict.
A reduction in annual calf survival of as little as 5% would be sufficient to cause a decline in the Porcupine caribou population.
But Hank seems to believe that we can make coal “clean” by just removing the CO2 it emits?
http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/coal-effects-on-family-health
Cosmos….pssst, I was joking about killing thousands of caribou…. :roll:
The largest and most prolific Caribou herds are in Canada.
But I wasn’t kidding about those damn bears!!
I just thought I would point out that Hurricane Gustav could destroy New Orleans again on the opening day of the Republican National Convention. I wonder what the “spin” would be.
Where’s that bridge in Texas with a million bats under it, Austin?
Bat crap does make good fertilizer, Save the Bats!
Headlines
Hurricanes happen.
New Orleans – City under sea level wonders why they are in danger from Hurricanes.
Federal Government announces one of the World’s Largest Fishing Reefs: New Orleans Sound (formerly the city of New Orleans)
Oops, I see somebody already beat me to that little thought.
I don’t know Phantom, I think I am sold on the Bat Mulch idea….I’m going to call Obama and tell him to run with this idea….
Can you imagine the Republicans and the Democrats competing to outpledge one another to rebuild New Orleans yet again? I wonder if anyone would have the courage to say: “Nature has spoken, there’s nothing we can do except salvage the people?”
BAT POWER! MULCH HERE! MULCH NOW!
http://www.conservationgiscenter.org/maps/html/porcupine_herd.html
I seriously doubt that the wind towers are taking out enough bats to have much affect, but the news does show that doing just about anything has unexpected consequences. Like invading Iraq.
A good hurricane could close down the gulf wells and most of the nation’s largest refineries, too.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5174391/
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Deadly power plants? Study fuels debate
Thousands of early deaths tied to emissions
Coal-fired power plants like the Tennessee Valley Authority’s Cumberland Fossil Plant near Clarksville, Tenn., are cited in a new report as contributing to thousands of premature deaths each year.
WASHINGTON – Health problems linked to aging coal-fired power plants shorten nearly 24,000 lives a year, including 2,800 from lung cancer, and nearly all those early deaths could be prevented if the U.S. government adopted stricter rules, according to a study released Wednesday.
Commissioned by environmental groups and undertaken by a consultant often used by the Environmental Protection Agency, the study concluded that 22,000 of those deaths are preventable with currently available technology.
The groups criticized the Bush administration for trying to change existing clean air laws, which the report said would result in nearly 4,000 more annual deaths from asthma, heart attacks and other ailments linked to coal plant emissions.
the myth about bats carrying rabies is much overblown. That would be like saying one cat had rabies, so therefore all cats have rabies.
Bats are incredibly efficient at controlling insects and do NOT land in peoples’ hair or cause other imagined problems. They are victims of bad PR. A little research into them can demonstrate that they are actually incredibly beneficial.
Anti…capn hates bats like he hates everything else that is not a liberal extremist wacko.
I didn’t know reindeer and porcupine could mate. Makes for some tense moments hooking them up to the sleigh.
“I seriously doubt that the wind towers are taking out enough bats to have much affect,”…
“the myth about bats carrying rabies is much overblown”
Those statements are pretty much a given (at least to most normal people); most of the seemingly ignorant posts are tongue-in-cheek because the original post wouldn’t warrant a second thought to a thinking person.
Yep, it’s the old Town Lake Bridge in Austin. The flight of the bats every night draws hundreds of folks to watch the spectacle.
But now it’s acutally the ANN RICHARDS bridge and the Lady Bird Johnson lake, I think.
When ANN was inaugurated, thousands of us gathered at the bridge and then marched up Congress Avenue to take back the capital.
God, it was a wonderful day! Sigh. The last real governor of Texas.
I still have the cap she gave me for working on her campaign…
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/archives/2002-releases/press02192002.html
Violent Death Among Children Linked to Household Firearms
For immediate release: February 19, 2002
Boston, MA– A new study from the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) found that in states and regions with higher levels of household firearm ownership, many more children are dying from homicide, suicide and gun accidents. The differences in rates of violent death to children across states are large. The higher death rates in high gun states are due to differences in deaths from firearms. This elevated rate of violent death to children in high gun states cannot be explained by differences in state levels of poverty, education, or urbanization.
The article “Firearm Availability and Unintentional Firearm Deaths, Suicide, and Homicide among 5-14 Year Olds” (PDF) is published in the February, 2002 issue of The Journal of Trauma (www.jtrauma.com ) and a table from the study appears on the journal cover.
Matthew Miller, M.D., ScD, associate director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center at HSPH and lead author of the study, said: “In states with more guns, more children are dying. They are dying in suicides, in homicides, and in gun accidents. This finding is completely contrary to the notion that guns are protecting our children.”
“The differences in violent death rates to children are large, and are closely tied to levels of gun ownership,” he said. “The differences cannot be explained by poverty, education or urbanization.”
This study focused on children aged 5 to14, and compared data across all 50 states over a 10-year period (1988-1997). In one table, the authors compare the five states with the highest gun ownership levels with the five states with the lowest levels. While these states have equal numbers of children, they have very different rates of violent death. In the 10-year period, 253 children died from firearm accidents in the high gun states, compared to 15 in the low gun states. While the numbers of non-gun suicides were similar, 153 children killed themselves with guns in the five high gun states, compared to 22 who committed suicide in the five low gun states.
Children in the high gun states were also at much higher risk of being murdered with a firearm. During this 10-year period, 298 children aged 5 to 14 were murdered with guns in the high gun states, compared to 86 in the low gun states. The non-gun homicide rates were fairly similar (a little over 100 non-gun homicides in both sets of states).
Miller emphasized that, while no study that is a snapshot of the U.S. over a short period of time can prove causation, the strong and robust association between gun ownership and children’s violent death is compelling.
most of the seemingly ignorant posts are tongue-in-cheek
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YES
For immediate release: February 19, 2002
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Funny ha ha, not funny queeeer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcupine_caribou
“Their name does not derive from the animal porcupine, but from the Porcupine River which runs through a large part of their range.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25463844/
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Surprising fact: Half of gun deaths are suicides
Gun owners often use the weapons on themselves, not intruder
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ATLANTA – The Supreme Court’s landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens’ ability to defend themselves from intruders in their homes. But research shows that surprisingly often, gun owners use the weapons on themselves.
Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation’s nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
There was nothing unique about that year — gun-related suicides have outnumbered firearm homicides and accidents for 20 of the last 25 years. In 2005, homicides accounted for 40 percent of gun deaths. Accidents accounted for 3 percent. The remaining 2 percent included legal killings, such as when police do the shooting, and cases that involve undetermined intent.
“But now it’s acutally the ANN RICHARDS bridge and the Lady Bird Johnson lake, I think.”
And did I mention the statue of Stevie Ray Vaughn that sits on the shores of Town Lake, er Lady Bird Johnson lake?
The foot is wearing thin because so many people want to touch it. He gave some great concerts there, at a place called Auditorium Shores. If we had only known what a short time we would have him.
As Tom says, the only good thing to come out of the eighties was Stevie Ray Vaughn, even though he started playing in Austin in the early seventies.
In case you havent noticed, heheh, Saturday cant come soon enough for me. Maria’s Tacos, here I come!
It would appear that the 1991 befouler of Wichita has struck at the Democratic Convention:
http://www.examiner.com/a-1556465~13_anti_abortion_protesters_arrested.html
Not content to waste hundreds of thousands of taxpayers’ dollars 17 years ago; apparently not satisfied with his alleged copious philandering; not sated by his bloodthirsty zeal for power and adulation, Randall Terry has pounced again.
And I’m quite sure he has diverted countless desperate women from having abortions. Oh, yes, I truly believe that.
And if you truly believe that I truly believe that, I’ve got a beachfront property in Anchorage, Alaska I’d like to sell you.
Perhaps I’m being too harsh. After all, I’m not a man. More to the point, I’m not a very ugly man who wears his diseased sac on his face with regularity. Further, I’m certainly not a race-ho’ who’s willing and all too able to trot out the black race’s travails to further my agenda.
Gag me, somebody – please gag me.
I’m not a total b-word; I have no problem with Christian fellowship and prayer services. I have no problem with intelligent, insightful discourse. I have no problem with a former nurse being repelled by abortion – and receiving several awards for it, even after deeming me and countless others “wimps.”
But by golly – I wouldn’t want Randall Frigging Terry in my court.
Poor little fellow – I’m wondering how he’s passing the time in jail. Probably comparing himself to some biblical and/or mythical figure. Probably getting all primed ‘n ready to knock up his perpetually-pregnant young wife – sans shoes, natch.
I’m dismayed with Father Weslin – one would think he’d find more erudite and discerning activists with whom to spend his time.
Jammin John, if you are reading here, I cant get an email through to you either. WTF? The package arrived and I am thrilled. I am at yahoo.com. try me again!
Another British “socialized” medicine success story
“A quarter of the myeloma specialists questioned admitted hiding the facts about treatments that may be difficult to obtain on the NHS, said Myeloma UK.
The main reason given by doctors was to avoid distressing or confusing patients.
Myeloma is a bone marrow cancer that affects around 3,800 people each year in the UK. Of these, 2,600 are likely to die from the disease.
The new poll of 103 myeloma specialists across Britain was designed to take a snapshot of how the disease was being managed.
The doctors candidly revealed how they struggled with NHS bureaucracy and cost-cutting to obtain the best treatments for their patients.
One in four said they avoided telling patients about licensed drugs still awaiting approval from NHS watchdog the National Institution for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice).
Primary Care Trusts are generally reluctant to pay for new drugs that have not yet been given the Nice green light.”
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Health/Cancer-Myeloma-Patients-Kept-In-Dark-Over-Expensive-Drugs-In-NHS-Postcode-Lottery/Article/200808415086952?f=rss
Ya have to check this out. It speaks to the Democrats in all their glory.
“Ban Bird Porn NOW”
Oh no! John McCain must be defeated!! John McCain is a member of the Audubon Society. He promotes bird porn!
Yup. Not kidding here.
http://adage.com/campaigntrail/post?article_id=130581
http://www.stopbirdporn.org/
Beauty, eh? The guy at the protest in Denver says – with a straight face – that they’re in Denver promoting this because Liberals are more “open-minded,” while Republicans are more close-minded. In this case, of course, “open-minded” means “idiot.”
I don’t care who you are, this here’s funny.
Of course, it fits right in with the group seeking to use pyramid powers to levitate the Denver Mint. Yup. Complete with a wizard’s hat. Nope, I’m not making that one up either.
Denver, this week, is a hotbed for every variety of kook, “anarchist” (who are organized, ironically), and new-age maroon you can image. And a number you can’t imagine too.
Oh, and the Democrats are in town too.
On a more serious note: Does Obama believe in free speech or not? It appears not:
Democrats such as Barack Obama are increasingly showing a disturbing eagerness to invoke the power of the state to silence critics. The latest example of this growing anti-First Amendment mentality is Obama’s heavy-handed response to a television ad by an independent nonprofit that raises some very basic questions about the Illinois senator’s relationship with William Ayers, the unrepentant 1960s terrorist bomber.
Obama’s campaign has encouraged supporters to flood television stations with protests whenever they see the ad. Nothing wrong with that, but the other thrust of the Obama response was to ask the Justice Department to intervene to stop further airing of the ad. That’s where Obama crossed the line and raised a question of fundamental importance — does he or does he not believe the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of speech?
http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/Does_Obama_support_free_speech_or_not.html
The proposed reintroduction of the “Fairness Doctrine” is just more of the same.
Free speech for me, but not for thee. The fascism of the left.
kfg
+1 for Stevie Ray
+100 for Stevie Ray. I was teaching at the time of his death; frankly, I couldn’t teach that day. I was stunned. We took the day and discussed music, blues, the delta influences, etc. A teachable moment, and a magnificent player, cut down in his prime.
I had the wonderful pleasure of seeing Stevie Ray play. A master.
GMC, I have mixed feelings about the Fairness Doctrine. Until the american voting public grows a freakin’ brain, I’m skeptical that anyone can legislate fairness.
But as for the cries about the 504c3 that paid for the Ayers lies….
I dont think the obama camp is trying to stifle free speech. I think they are wanting the rules, as they exist, enforced.
Since when do cons hate rules? Especially the rule of law?
Oh well, uh, nevermind. Bush’s shredding of the constitution comes to mind….
“I had the wonderful pleasure of seeing Stevie Ray play. A master.”
Did you notice he had the BIGGEST hands of any musician that I have ever seen? His talent was equal to Jimmy Hendrix. And dontchya know, Stevie Ray, Jimmy, and Bo Diddly must be having one hell of a jam session? I wonder if Jon Bonham is on drums?
I still have my copy of the Austin paper from the day he died. The entire city was in shock, then in mourning….
Stevie Ray Vaughn playing Hendrix song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSpbuFSr2o
In honor of Jimmy and Stevie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAG-kX_IlUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nePm-L0aa-E
Hendrix playing Hendrix :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eubaCUNJU&feature=related
Why doe the Obama camp keep teeing it up for McCain? Just when the “celebrity” criticism seems to be working, Obama adds more grist to the mill:
Check out the stage for the big speech Thursday.
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccain-aide-mocks-obama-is-this-from.html
(Scroll down for the photo.)
Has Obama seen, perhaps, “This is Spinal Tap?”
;)
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Oh, BTW, KFG, having seen the Ayers ad Obama is trying so hard to suppress, just what in it is a “lie.” A serious question.
CapnAmerica,
You said yesterday: “Any more questions”
Why yes, I have several more. You never answered them though.
-When do you reject “science” to believe in God?
-If you believe that Jesus is going to judge the quick and the dead, what does that Judgment consist of, what are the standards? Are there any? If there are none, what is the point?
-What is hell? Who will go there and why?
Sometimes you gotta come up with the tag lines. sometimes they write themselves. and sometimes they are handed to you on large, silver platters:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59013527@N00/2802073490/
The DNC stage, during test runs. The quotation?
From Dante – Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch’intrate. Thanslated into the phrase we know:
“Abandon hope, all ye who enter here”
Priceless.
GMC70, how priceless is a photoshopped pic?
If there were really a fairness doctrine, most talk show hosts, and most CNN and Fox anchors would have been beaten to death years ago. Has anyone noticed that the only place one can get coherent news is once again, the major network evening news shows, and PBS.
Looks legit to me…after all, their “savior” did say it is time we better start teaching our children to speak Spanish. And, btw, he DID vote against the English as official language bill.
Yep…might as well get used to it…will need interpreters to be able to conduct business in English any day now…
MH –
Perhaps. No less funny.
And no less true. Hope comes from one with a record of accomplishment, not from one who “hopes” he can learn the job along the way.
“Yep…might as well get used to it…will need interpreters to be able to conduct business in English any day now…”
Heard on NPR yesterday that at the current rate of growth, the Latin population will become the majority population in the U.S. of A. in 2106.
Is it realistic to think we can ignore them?
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bill ayers was convicted of what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTldYbqlJc8
Why did you bring up meaningless stuff from the past
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ
do you have proof of anything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYmB9g8G0ss&feature=related
Convicted of what?
Courts are not always necessary. Ayers in his own words:
“In his 2001 screed, Fugitive Days, Ayers recounts his life as a Sixties radical, his tenure as a Weatherman lieutenant, his terrorist campaign across America, and his enduring hatred for for the United States. “What a country,” Ayers said in 2001. “It makes me want to puke.”
Ayers was an active participant in Weatherman’s 1969 “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago, where nearly 300 members of the organization employed guerrilla-style tactics to viciously attack police officers and civilians alike, and to destroy massive amounts of property via vandalism and arson; their objective was to further spread their anti-war, anti-American message. Reminiscing on those riots, Ayers says pridefully: “We’d … proven that it was possible — we didn’t all die, we were still there.”
A substantial portion of Ayers’ book Fugitive Days discusses the author’s penchant for building and deploying explosives. Ayers boasts that he “participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.” Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers says, “Everything was absolutely ideal. … The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.”
On another occasion, Ayers stated: “There’s something about a good bomb … Night after night, day after day, each majestic scene I witnessed was so terrible and so unexpected that no city would ever again stand innocently fixed in my mind. Big buildings and wide streets, cement and steel were no longer permanent. They, too, were fragile and destructible. A torch, a bomb, a strong enough wind, and they, too, would come undone or get knocked down.”
All told, Ayers and Weatherman were responsible for 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S. “I don’t regret setting bombs, said Ayers in 2001, “I feel we didn’t do enough.
In 1970, Ayers’ then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, “tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.”
After the death of his girlfriend, Ayers and his current wife, Bernardine Dohrn, spent the 1970s as fugitives running from the FBI. In 1980 the two surrendered, but all charges against them were dropped due to an “improper surveillance” technicality. Ayers’ comment on his life, as reported by Peter Collier and David Horowitz in their authoritative chapter on Weatherman in Destructive Generation, is this: “Guilty as sin, free as a bird, America is a great country.”
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Need I say more?
BTW – http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169
And Obama was how old when Ayers was running off doing his Thang??? 10?? 11??
SquarePeg,
How old was Obama when Ayers continued to spout his crap in 2001?
Here is fair treatment of the Ayers issue. I think it is going to be a huge deal in the minds of a lot voters.
“For Obama, the outsider who gained the trust of the insiders, the position is different. He was willing to use Ayers and ally with him despite his terrorist past and lack of repentance. An unrepentant terrorist, who bragged of bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, was a fit associate. Ayers evidently helped Obama gain insider status in Chicago civic life and politics—how much, we can’t be sure unless the Richard J. Daley Library opens the CAC archive. But most American politicians would not have chosen to associate with a man with Ayers’s past or of Ayers’s beliefs. It’s something voters might reasonably want to take into account.”
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/08/22/obama-needs-to-explain-his-ties-to-william-ayers.html
“In the mid-1990s, Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn hosted meetings at their Chicago home to introduce Barack Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate.”
The above is from GMC’s “discoverthenetworks” link. According to an email I got, the above is the only contact that Obama claims to have had with Ayers. Can anyone dispute that?
Need I say more?
sure w h a t w a s h e c o n v i c t e d o f ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
” In 1980 the two surrendered, but all charges against them were dropped due to an “improper surveillance” technicality.”
So, on the question of what was ayers convicted of, that would be a “nothing”.
Unlike scooter libby….
You guys are too funny.
Ayers is guilty of being an egotistical, self absorbed loudmouth of questionable veracity.
If that were a criminal offense, most of the elected officials in this country would be in jail.
Wanna talk about associations?
Let’s talk about mcsame and bush…
“You may have heard about it. They dragged up some obscure 60s radical who happens to live in the same neighborhood as Barack Obama, and they try to say that they have this big connection. Months ago, the Chicago papers called this a “phony charge.” They have no connection (Obama attended one reception at the guy’s house once, and has condemned what the guy did way back in the 60s, when Obama was 9 years old).”
Actually, the claim is that it was a single meeting at Ayer’s house. This from a group called: TruthFightsBack.com .
KFG- I have a chicken question (serious). What ratio of cocks to hens do you need to get a regular supply of eggs?
I am considering purchasing a few chickens.
I like this quote from wiki:
“OK, let’s give them a medal for not killing anybody besides themselves. But they wanted to be terrorists. They planned on being terrorists. Then their bomb blew up and killed several of them and they thought better of it. They were failed terrorists.”
~Todd Gitlin
I have no roosters. They are not needed, and just cause trouble in the flock. Worthless eaters who produce nothing. My girls produce just fine without them. I’m down to about 18 hens, and I get about 15 eggs per day. Having a rooster wouldnt get me 18 eggs a day. Some of the girls are just slackers. I figure they are republican chickens, getting by on someone else’ labor when they think no one can trace it.
A link for TruthFightsBack:
http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/index
I am sure this is an Obama sponsored site and they were orignially called StopTheSmears – a supposedly rapid response team to swiftboat type attacks. Not sure they are doing so great, yet.
Here’s a good quote, “I am a war criminal.” – Senator John McCain, bigamist.
Jump ahead to 2000…In addition to his professoship, Ayers is The Woods Fund board chairman, and a young state senator, who like Ayers is living in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood, is a fellow board member–that person of course is Barack Obama. Why any organization would have Ayers serving on their board (he’s not chairman any more, but Ayers is still on The Woods Fund board), is astonishing to me and any other person with common sense. And who’d want to serve with him? That year, Ayers and Obama (who should’ve abstained) voted to invest $1 million in Woods Fund money into a firm run by a former boss of the then-state senator, Allison Davis. In a different business venture, Davis partnered with Tony Rezko.
Thanks KFG.
I highly recommend Buff Orpingtons for laying hens. You cant beat the Cornish Cross for meat birds, but they grow so fast they sometimes die because their legs wont hold up their fat little bodies. Gotta watch how rich their food is or they will explode.
But the Buffs are just sweeties who will follow you around the coop, and they lay like champions!
I love my girls!
I didn’t realise that they would produce an egg that often.
Thanks, I will look into those.
Actually Steven, Ayers and Obama both sat on the board of The Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty group. Further, it is reported that the Chicago Annenburg Challenge doled out $175,000s to radical Mike Klonsky, another Ayers associate, causing conflict of interest problems for the Annenburg Challenge. Then there is that Obama and Ayers worked together on “the Collaberative,” described as a “clearinghouse for ideas.”
Why were the documents relating to the Annenburg hears closed to the press until, I think, today? What is being hidden?
It’s not Ayers past so much (we’ve all been stupid in youth, though for most of us stupid does not include bombings and killing people). It is that Ayers is entirely unrepentant regarding those years. Most of us grow up. Ayers is still the unrepentant Marxist.
Unless, of course, it is he who can make the money. Then, capitalism rocks!
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259051
If we are going to talk about associating with convicted criminals, can we talk about scooter libby? Please? Or.. how about bush and abramhoff. Bush and duke cunningham? Dusty fogo? I think you guys might not want to play this game….
Ok, then let’s talk about bush an mcsame. Now THERE is an association between the unrepentant!
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Posted August 27, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
If we are going to talk about associating with convicted criminals, can we talk about scooter libby? Please? Or.. how about bush and abramhoff. Bush and duke cunningham? Dusty fogo? I think you guys might not want to play this game….
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pssst…
Bush is not running for President.
As I understand it, Obama worked with Ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge committee.
Reporters trying to examine the relationship recently got the door slammed in their face (cover up?) as described in a link in the US News and World Report article I posted above.
It will be very interesting how this plays out.
Four more months! Four more months!
The official Obama response to the Ayers smear:
http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/smear/253/
Barack Obama Barely Knows William Ayers
The Race:
Barack Obama (D) vs John McCain (R); President of the US
The Smear:
The Republicans, desperate to smear Barack and try to build on their lies about his religion, insinuate that Barack Obama has a deep relationship with William Ayers. William Ayers was once a member of a radical group in the 1960s.
The Truth:
Barack Obama lived in the same area of Chicago as Ayers, and Ayers has been a politically active member of that community for years. Considering that, it’s actually remarkable how little the two have to do with each other. Early in Barack Obama’s career, he attended one reception in his honor at Ayers’s house. They also were separately asked by a charitable organization to serve on that organization’s board. And that’s it. There’s no friendship between the two, no relationship, no history of working together. This whole manufactured issue was already hashed over in the primary, but the Republicans, desperate to change the subject from the state of the United States and the unpopularity of their policies, are trying to revive this discredited attack once again. A shady Republican front group even ran ads trying to tie the 60s-era activities of Ayers to Al Qaeda today. If you believe we should get beyond the battles of the 60s to meet the challenges of the 21st century, reject these tired attacks and spread the truth. Forward this message on!
Start fighting back against this smear by telling your friends and family the truth.
Ayers is The Woods Fund board chairman, and a young state senator, who like Ayers is living in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood, is a fellow board member–that person of course is Barack Obama.
The only people who will be disturbed by this “association” between ayers and obama are the same folks who believe obama is a muslim, is replacing the flag with his own symbol, and that he refuses to recite the pledge.
In other words, the true believers. The eighteen percenters. And they wont vote for obama anyway. But please, spin away if you think it helps mcsame continue the rule of the house of bush…
pssst…
Bush is not running for President.
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psssst
guilty by association
Later. Other things to do.
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Posted August 27, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
Ayers is The Woods Fund board chairman, and a young state senator, who like Ayers is living in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood, is a fellow board member–that person of course is Barack Obama.
hy any organization would have Ayers serving on their board (he’s not chairman any more, but Ayers is still on The Woods Fund board), is astonishing to me and any other person with common sense. And who’d want to serve with him? That year, Ayers and Obama (who should’ve abstained) voted to invest $1 million in Woods Fund money into a firm run by a former boss of the then-state senator, Allison Davis. In a different business venture, Davis partnered with Tony Rezko.
“Bush is not running for President.”
And neither is ayers.
But mcsame is, just like obama.
So.. let’s talk about mcsame being dedicated to continuing the glory of his long time associate, bush!
-When do you reject “science” to believe in God?
I don’t.
-If you believe that Jesus is going to judge the quick and the dead, what does that Judgment consist of, what are the standards? Are there any? If there are none, what is the point?
They will be God’s standards. “For I judge not by appearances, but by right judgement.”
-What is hell? Who will go there and why?
Hell is punishment by separation from God. God will determine who and why in his infinite wisdom. Since my wisdom is not infinite, I wouldn’t presume to guess.
Me too, Steven. When it comes to proof and logic, with these guys, truly, one’s too many and a hundred’s not enough.
“But the Buffs are just sweeties who will follow you around the coop, and they lay like champions”
Sounds like some sorority girls I knew back at KU.
Gee, I didn’t know Mr. Ayers was running for president.
Who remembers this joke, “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Janet Reno is her father.”
What POS would dare to tell this joke publicly?
JOHN McCAIN
CapnAmerica,
So, you don’t have any idea what that judgement will be or what the standards are.
You have no idea who will go to hell or why.
What is the point then?
At some point, you must reject science to accept God.
Where is that CapnAmerica?
Where does God fit into the equation?
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
Michelle Obama said, “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”
On 9/11, Ayers was quoted in the New York Times saying, “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” An early organizing meeting for your State Senate campaign was held at his house and your campaign has said you are “friendly.”
Short narrative of Barak Husseing Obomba
cosmo: It’s the MIGRATION of the caribou that assures it’s destiny, about 1000 miles between two countries and I’m not sure if disrupting migration habits will break some sort of treaty. We’ve had to import buffalo, wolves, golden and bald eagles etc., from Canada to make up for man’s screwing around with their natural habitat and a truth is that because northern first nations people look upon the caribou as a source of life, (as did the Plains Indians with the buffalo…remember what that did?), drilling may mean welfare and degrading dependency for an otherwise self-supporting population in both countries. The oil lobby ought to think about that when they discuss little or no enviornmental impact on the region from their exploration/drilling. We don’t know if Canada will react, for it is of concern to them as well and being our biggest source of assured, friendly energy of all kinds, we should be aware of their sensibilities. The Canadian Press reports protests from time to time delivered to Washington.
CapnAmerica,
If you don’t know what the standards for judgement are or why God would send you to hell do you just hope that you will be alright in the end?
Talk about some insecurity there!
OMG, this is incredibly sad news. First Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and now this. I knew she was getting weaker, but geez.
I’m really sad about this.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080827/ap_on_re_us/obit_ma...
SAN FRANCISCO – Pioneering lesbian rights activist Del Martin, who married her lifelong partner in June on the first day that same-sex couples here gained that right, has died. She was 87.
Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said Martin died at a San Francisco hospital Wednesday morning, two weeks after a broken arm exacerbated her existing health problems.
Her wife, Phyllis Lyon, was by her side, Kendell said.
Along with six other women, they founded a San Francisco social club for lesbians in 1955 called the Daughters of Bilitis. Under their leadership, the group evolved into the nation’s first lesbian advocacy organization.
Who remembers this joke, “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Janet Reno is her father.”
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HA! To be fair, Janet is rather homely.
Thanks for insisting that you’re right, Nathan.
However, you offer no explanation for why you are right.
I think I see where you’re trying to go. I wouldn’t go there if I were you.
You’re going to end up saying that you know what God thinks.
Pretty tall claim . . .
Iraq wanted us out by 2010, U.S. wanted 2015.
Guess 2010 would’ve been the Obama cut and run time table, so wouldn’t do.
Where’s the Iraqi love?
BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The United States asked Iraq for permission to keep troops there to 2015 but compromised with Iraqi negotiators on 2011, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said.
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The bilateral security pact negotiations underscore the Iraqi government’s increasing assertiveness in seeking to define the future of the U.S. presence as violence drops sharply across the country.
“It was a U.S. proposal for the date which is 2015, and an Iraqi one which is 2010, then we agreed to make it 2011,” Talabani said in an interview with al-Hurra TV, a transcript of which was posted on his party’s website on Wednesday.
“That year, Ayers and Obama (who should’ve abstained) voted to invest $1 million in Woods “Fund money into a firm run by a former boss of the then-state senator, Allison Davis. In a different business venture, Davis partnered with Tony Rezko.”
Rezko. . . Rezko. . . . Rezko?
OH. THAT Tony Rezko.
Convicted felon, Chicago bagman, slumlord Tony Rezko. Who helped Obama finance his “poor” multi-million dollar home. Who ran the housing projects Obama helped finance as a state legislator. Yup – he ran them into slum hellholes, as he pocketed thousands, and funnelled more thousands into Obama’s political campaigns.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=2
That would be that Tony Rezko.
CapnAmerica,
So, you believe in a judgement, you just don’t ahve any idea what it will be?
So, you believe in hell, you just don’t have any idea of who God might send there or why?
And you call yourself a Sunday School teacher?
And if McCain had any similar associations with admitted bombers and convicted felons, the leftist extremists would be frothing at the mouth. Yet, it is expected to gloss over Obama’s associations with these criminals?
riiiiight.
“You are known by the company you keep”.
The clouds parted and the prophet “Nathaniel” sayeth –
“At some point, you must reject science to accept God.”
That’s perhaps the stupidest comment anyone has ever posted to this forum, boy.
How exactly are we supposed to do what is “right” if you don’t know what any of the standards are?
Are we just supposed to hope that in the end that we won’t go to hell? Never knowing what the standards are or why?
Is it your claim that God has given us no standards to help guide us to the right path?
MonkeyHawk,
How so?
Where does “science” ever say God is the answer?
If “science” never says God is the answer, then at some point you must reject what science says to say that God is the answer.
“aghdad plans to build giant Ferris wheel
“BAGHDAD (AP) – Iraq is calling on companies to submit designs to build a giant Ferris wheel in Baghdad—the latest in a string of lavish proposals painting the capital as a leisure friendly city.”
“Families are often seen relaxing at night in parks and children flock to pools. On Monday, tens of thousands of soccer fans cheered on their club in a Baghdad stadium—the largest sports crowd the city saw since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.”
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92QQ1NO0&show_article=1
Okay, you tell me, Nathan.
Is Hitler in hell?
BTW, I don’t call myself a Sunday school teacher.
I am one.
CapnAmerica,
Let me help you out here since, as a Christian, you seem to have no answers:
John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 14:6
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
Nathan how do you know? You know, seriously? It FEELS right or wrong.
You don’t need a book. Does it feel wrong when you eat meat with dairy?
So Hitler is or is not in Hell?
You know what God thinks, apparently.
Acts 13:38-39
Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
and through Him (everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Romans 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.”
Yes, I’m very impressed with your ability to quote scripture.
I’m not impressed at all with how you interprete what that scripture means.
You say you know “the standards” but you won’t say if Hitler is in hell or not.
Does he meet your standards or not?
Romans 10:9-13
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
Hitler is in hell, I talked to him last Thursday when I was in Dalhart, TX.
“Many shall cry, ‘Lord, Lord’ in those days, and be cast into the fire.”
Nathan –
Do you really think THIS is a productive place for the conversation you’re attempting to have?
There is a time and place, but this isn’t it. Let it go.
CapnAmerica,
I know what Jesus has said and what God has said from the Bible.
Two sources you seem to hide from using.
I don’t live my life not knowing if there is any standard for that judgment because it has very clearly been given to us.
I don’t have to sit around and wonder my whole life why God is judging me or what the standards are.
Since you have no idea, perhaps God’s standards are that we should all be mass murderers like Hitler?
Perhaps, since you don’t seem to know, Hitler is the only one in Heaven… well, Pol Pot recently passed away so perhaps the only two people in heaven are Pol Pot and Hitler? Since you have no idea what or if God has any standards?
Right?
US and Russian warships line up in dispute over Georgia
US and Russian warships took up positions in the Black Sea today in a risky war of nerves on opposing sides of the Georgia conflict.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/27/georgia.russia1
I used to live in Dalhart – Home of the XIT Rodeo!
I can’t imagine what you were doing there unless you’re in the cattle feeding bidness.
SAY MAYOR NAGIN, GUSTAV IS COMING YOUR WAY!
6 DAYS OF WARNING FOR YOU.
DON’T PUT NEW ORLEANS ON THIS LIST:
Deadliest Tropical Cyclones in History
Rank: Name / Areas of Largest Loss: Year: Ocean Area: Deaths:
1. Great Bhola Cyclone, Bangladesh
1970 Bay of Bengal 550,000
2. Hooghly River Cyclone, India and Bangladesh
1737 Bay of Bengal 350,000
3. Haiphong Typhoon, Vietnam 1881 West Pacific 300,000
3. Coringa, India 1839 Bay of Bengal 300,000
5. Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh 1584 Bay of Bengal 200,000
6. Great Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh
1876 Bay of Bengal 200,000
7. Chittagong, Bangladesh 1897 Bay of Bengal 175,000
8. Super Typhoon Nina, China
1975 West Pacific 171,000
9. Cyclone 02B, Bangladesh
1991 Bay of Bengal 140,000
10. Cyclone Nargis, Myanmar
2008 Bay of Bengal 138,000
11. Great Bombay Cyclone, India 1882 Arabian Sea 100,000
12. Hakata Bay Typhoon, Japan
1281 West Pacific 65,000
13. Calcutta, India 1864 Bay of Bengal 60,000
14. Swatlow, China 1922 West Pacific 60,000
15. Barisal, Bangladesh 1822 Bay of Bengal 50,000
16. Sunderbans coast, Bangladesh 1699 Bay of Bengal 50,000
17. Bengal Cyclone, Calcutta, India 1942 Bay of Bengal 40,000
18. Canton, China 1862 West Pacific 37,000
19. Backerganj (Barisal), Bangladesh 1767 Bay of Bengal 30,000
20. Barisal, Bangladesh 1831 Bay of Bengal 22,000
21. Great Hurricane, Lesser Antilles Islands
1780 Atlantic 22,000
22. Devi Taluk, SE India 1977 Bay of Bengal 20,000
22. Great Coringa Cyclone, India 1789 Bay of Bengal 20,000
24. Nagasaki Typhoon, Japan 1828 Western Pacific 15,000
25. Second Hong Kong Typhoon, China 1906 Western Pacific 10,000
25. Tiburon Peninsula Typhoon, Philippines 1885 West Pacific 10,000
XIT-The biggest ranch
CapnAmerica,
So, if one of your kids in Sunday school told you that he thought God wanted us all to go around and be killers like Hitler so we can go to heaven, would you agree with him, disagree with him, or say that you don’t really know what God thinks on the subject so you have no opinion?
I can’t imagine what you were doing there unless you’re in the cattle feeding bidness.
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It’s a good place to “split” prairie dogs.
SHOW ME
BlueJay 1:1
Indeed it is. I can remember learning much about its history. AND, this giant BBQ feed for the XIT Rodeo – free to the public.
“Convicted felon, Chicago bagman, slumlord Tony Rezko. Who helped Obama finance his “poor” multi-million dollar home.”
This lie busted:
http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/smear/254/
Barack Obama bought his only home without help from Tony Rezko
The Race:
Barack Obama (D) vs John McCain (R); President of the US
The Smear:
The RNC, initially because they were reeling from the disclosure by John McCain that he didn’t even know how many houses he owned, attacked Barack Obama on the purchase of his single home. They claim that Tony Rezko helped with the purchase of the house.
The Truth:
This real estate deal that the Republicans try to smear is so simple, perhaps that’s why they can’t understand it. Barack Obama bought a house. Tony Rezko, in a separate purchase, bought the neighboring lot. The end. The deails are this: Barack Obama bought his home the same way everyone buys a home, by making the best offer the sellers had. The details are that of a normal, boring real estate transaction by a young family buying the house they expect to raise children in. A couple named the Wondisford’s had two properties on the market, a house and an adjacent lot. Barack and Michelle Obama made the best offer on the house, which had been on the market for 8 months. Before the purchase, Obama asked Rezko, a local real estate developer, and for some advice on the purchase. While there, Rezko noticed the adjacent lot and decided to buy it. Neither got a break on the price, as confirmed by the Wondisford’s. The Wondisford’s requested to close on the same day to minimize their hassle. You can download the PDF where the Wondisford’s confirm all of this here: http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2008-03/36768343.pdf Later, Obama purchased a strip of the Rezko’s property to give his kids more room to play, and he paid more than double the assessed value to avoid any claims of impropriety. The Rezko’s later sold the lot to another couple who are building a house on it. And that’s it. The whole thing is remarkable only for its utter lack of any drama or scandal. This discredited attack is months old and just doesn’t have any validity whatsoever. We really need to end these distortions and smears if we’re ever going to get a government who actually does anything for us.
“Nathaniel” –
“Where does “science” ever say God is the answer?”
As has been explained to you many times, boy, science is a discipline that deals with nature. The supernatural just doesn’t belong in the realm of science.
There’s no role for a place kicker on a baseball team. By your logic, baseball players must deny the existence of place kickers.
“If “science” never says God is the answer, then at some point you must reject what science says to say that God is the answer.”
But, as you have admitted, there is no scientific test for the existence of a god. That’s not what science is for.
Your third-grade level bible school naiveté — regarding both science and religion — repeatedly reveals your ignorance.
“CapnAmerica
Posted August 27, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink
Thanks for insisting that you’re right, Nathan.
However, you offer no explanation for why you are right.
I think I see where you’re trying to go. I wouldn’t go there if I were you.
You’re going to end up saying that you know what God thinks.
Pretty tall claim .”
Isn’t claiming to know the thoughts of God a sacrilegious offense?
Lindalinks, is anyone else watching the news of the growing Black Sea Naval conflict?
I posted on this the other day. One has to search for news on this, it’s not in any headlines that I’ve seen.
And your source was UK!
“At some point, you must reject science to accept God.”
My goodness. Does this mean you will put your money where your mouth is and surrender your college degrees, if you ever earn them?
I think GMC was right, Nathan, kinda past time for you to drop this.
MonkeyHawk,
The Baseball team is not making claims about the orgins of sports though. They simply go out and play baseball and what they do has nothing to do with football. Your analogy makes no sense here.
“Science” proclaims to have the answers for the orgins of everything from life to the universe. No where is God a part of it.
As “science” stands now, they will never seek to have God as part of the explanation.
So, if you believe in God, and God is part of the explanation of the orgin of things (at some point) then at that point you believe God is part of the explanation, you will be in conflict with “science”
This has nothing to do with me. This is basic logic here.
I don’t think scientists have to deny the existence of God either.
“Science” is a huge field of study. Most of the things “science” is involved in will never deal with something like the Big Bang or the creation of life or even Evolution.
Yet, all those things are answered by “science” at some point.
If you believe EVERYTHING in “science” then God is never part of the answer.
The Universe simply came into existence via some type of “Big Bang” Earth formed by random chance. Life began in some puddle of goo by random chance. That life then evolved over millions of years into humans today by chance mutation and natural selection.
No where is God a part of any of that.
So, again, I will ask you:
Where do you believe that God is a part of that equation?
As soon as you tell me that point, that is where you do indeed reject “science.”
Steven,
You Hypocrite. I did drop it. I have dropped this many times.
It is you and CapnAmerica who brought it up again.
When you can follow your own damn advice I might start listening to it.
Every man is responsible for his own words and actions, regardless of the words and actions of others.
The usual suspect is warmongering and saber rattling! cheney is pure evil.
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Cheney slams “unjustified assault” on Georgia
U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday called Russia’s actions in Georgia an “unjustified assault” and pledged to ensure the small U.S. ally’s territorial integrity.
Bush is sending Cheney to Tbilisi next week.
“The Georgian people won their freedom after years of tyranny and they can count on the friendship of the United States,” Cheney said. “That young democracy has been subjected to an unjustified assault.”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN2747273420080827?sp=true
Almost everyday Apophis, CapnAmerica, Chas, or one of you liberals will badger my father and I about our faith when it has nothing to do with the conversation.
I am proving a point that as soon as I start talking about your faith, all of a sudden everyone wants me to stop.
I have made the agreement with CapnAmerica before, that as long as he stopped bringing it up over and over again, I wouldn’t talk about his faith or badger him either.
For over a month I held to that deal while still CapnAmerica and others didn’t.
When I pointed out to CapnAmerica that he kept breaking the deal, I am called a whiner.
So guess what? Yesterday I start pestering some posters about their faith again. Now all of a sudden here are all the liberals circling their wagons asking me to stop. (And GMC70…)
Well, stick to the deals you make and honor your word.
Don’t pester my father and I about our faith and I won’t yours.
You liberals say you have your little purple chicken coop club going on. Well, why don’t you get together and hold each other accountable for stopping pestering my father and I about our faith like you do almost daily and I will not yours.
Deal?
Medvedev Seeks China’s Support on Recognizing Regions
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao today, seeking support from Russia’s biggest Asian ally for its recognition of two breakaway Georgian regions, a move widely condemned in the West.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aoZq9X9gOaKU&refer=europe
Yikes!
That’s scary, a renewed Russian/Chinese alliance!
Nathaniel,
I am not a liberal. I am asking you to stop. Please.
Bush’s Big Nyet
This is what it’s come to. On Monday, President Bush issued a statement very sternly calling on Russian leaders not to recognize the Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent countries.
Within hours, the Russians went ahead and did it anyway.
So on Tuesday, out came another statement, in which Bush very sternly told the Russian leaders they shouldn’t have.
But there’s something almost personal about the way Russia is flouting Bush’s warnings. Is it because of all those times Bush poked the bear? Or is it because our military is otherwise occupied? Is it because Bush has squandered America’s moral authority? Or is just because he’s a lame duck? Maybe it’s on account of Bush’s demeaning nickname for Vladimir Putin. Take your pick.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/08/27/BL2008082701604.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Linda,
If Cheney is evil, then what is Russia while they continue to try to undermind Georgia?
Should America do nothing for it’s friend? Should we just say see you later suckers, have fun on your own?
Littlejohn,
Why don’t you ask Apophis, Steven, CapnAmerica, and others to stop when they keep badgering my father and I?
I am not doing anything other than making logical converstaion on both Christianity and God/Science.
If you don’t like, go some where else.
Steven:
Riiiiiiiiight. And I’ve got a great bridge to sell you . . . .
This is Chicago politics.
This is a public forum. Anyone is free to post regarding the topic of their choice or not come here at all.
Many of you show no respect for my father or I and yet you cry for me to stop talking about religion and faith.
Not going to happen.
I have conceded in the past for Steven and yet he is the very one who continues to mock my father and I for what we believe.
You will get no further concessions from me.
It is obvious that when I stop, that when I am the one to quit, the others simply continue business as usual with their little attacks on my faith and my fathers.
So, I have no intentions of stopping.
It seems that many of you want to make my faith part of the discussion almost daily. Well, I don’t want to dissapoint you by remainging silent on the issue.
“Why don’t you ask Apophis, Steven, CapnAmerica, and others to stop when they keep badgering my father and I?”
I have, and if you agree to shut up about it, I will again. In fact, I will go you one better.
Please, those who constantly bring up Nathaniel’s religion, please stop. He is entitled to them. Let the subject drop so we don;t have to read through pages up this same crap.
” am not doing anything other than making logical converstaion on both Christianity and God/Science”
No you are not.
“If you don’t like, go some where else.”
I don’t like it, and I won;t go somewhere else.
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Now will China support Russia’s taking back of part of Georgia, in exchange for China taking back Taiwan?
Littlejihn,
I am not going to remain silent anymore while others keep bringing up my faith and my fathers.
If you are not going to leave, then you might as well get used to it.
Littlejohn,
If you don’t think my arguments are good, feel free to jump in anytime.
“Nathaniel” lies –
““Science” proclaims to have the answers for the orgins of everything from life to the universe.”
Remember when I said your posts prove you know nothing about science?
This is one of those examples.
Science does not proclaim anything of the sort.
Religion, on the other hand, proclaims exactly that.
Nathaniel, what can the U.S. do that is meaningful regarding the Russia/Georgia situation? Serious question, not badgering.
As GMC noted when the current situation began, geographically the application of military force is a logistical nightmare. Economic sanctions don’t seem to work in most situations, correct? Plus, Russia puts the economic squeeze on Western Europe with natural gas supplies; thus, the lack of enthusiasm from Europe in general for doing more than issuing carefully worded statements noting its disagreement with the invasion. Even that mild reaction resulted in the Russians declaring their refusal to continue military cooperation with NATO. Also, let’s not forget the need to supply the NATO troops in Afghanistan, many of the flights to do so using Russian airspace. Can this be worked around? Certainly, at greater costs, which may not, for internal political reasons in the alliance be palatable.
Cutting Russia from the G-8? Again, what about the ability of the Russians to cause economic distress to Western Europe due to control of the natural gas pipelines.
China also has some issues with wanting to control Tibet.
Russia/India might help support that, especially if all agree to meddle in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Go right ahead Nathan. Do what you must. Waste your breath, and everyone else’s time. I would suggest you be the bigger man. But whatever. It’s a free country and a free blog. THe thing is………
Nobody cares. THey don;t care, they just poke a stick at you to watch you bark.
MonkeyHawk,
So science doesn’t claim that the universe began by the Big Bang or some other theory?
Science doesn’t claim that life simply began by some process millions of years ago?
Science doesn’t claim that all life evolved from that first life form millions of years ago?
Where did I lie?
“Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch’intrate”
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“Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.”
(written on the gate to hell in Dante’s “Inferno”)
Linda –
Do you really think the US ever had any “moral authority” with the Russians? I don’t. It’s simple realpolitik. Georgia sits on Russia’s borders. Even in the best of times, even were the US not involved in Iraq/Afghanistan, we still would have no realistic military options there. That’s a simple fact. Geography still matters; look at a map (or perhaps you’re thinking of OUR Georgia?).
Russia is simply reasserting its influence over it’s immediate area and reasserting it’s empire. It’s immoral. Yup. But they don’t give a rat’s ass about “moral authority.”
And they never did.
Yeah,
They might just be poking a stick at me to watch me bark.
The infuriating part of it is, that instead of telling them to stop poking me, I have posters like you telling me to stop barking.
Too bad.
I wasnt aware we were discussing Dante here today. I must have missed a bunch.
BTW, I have a strange question — I dont see Chas posting anywhere on this thread. Why is Chas’ name brought to this thread by Nathaniel? Is there some justification for that? Just wondering.
Damn it!!! Now I am going to have to learn Russian AND Chinese AND Spanish!!! Farkin’ A!!
(written on the gate to hell in Dante’s “Inferno”)
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huh, I thought it said, “Welcome to Dalhart”
My post
“Please, those who constantly bring up Nathaniel’s religion, please stop. He is entitled to them. Let the subject drop so we don;t have to read through pages up this same crap”
Nathan, your post
“The infuriating part of it is, that instead of telling them to stop poking me, I have posters like you telling me to stop barking.”
Note the disconnect?
McCain and lobbyists and corruption:
http://mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0009
Squrepeg,
Becuase although Chas is not saying anything today, he does and has in the past. I am merely illustrating that point.
BTW, I have a strange question — I dont see Chas posting anywhere on this thread. Why is Chas’ name brought to this thread by Nathaniel? Is there some justification for that? Just wondering.
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I see Chas posting…
Why Peg, you’re here! That is Chas’ alter ego after all. That and ::, of course.
The Dante came up earlier as part of the testing of the DNC stage. WEll, maybe.
Funny, nonetheless.
Littlejohn,
Where have you been the past month?
You say that, only after I mentioned that no one ever asks them to stop.
Why thank you, for finally saying something to them.
I appreciate it. That it took me saying something back for you to finally say something to them.
I will never forget your support.
Good afternoon all.
GMC, your point is moot. It isn’t moral authority with Russia that is the issue. Or do you still believe that we have one of Teddy Roosevelt’s “big sticks” to deal with Russia unilatterally?
I’ll take the burrito meal with a large vodka and an side of duck.
I didnt know that attorney’s employed by government agencies were allowed to LIE. But, I see all sorts of strange things on the Blog.
Keep it up, folks. You will only manage to get the whole thing shut down one of these days.
Once again — I have NO idea where Chas is, and furthermore, I dont care! I am just happy he isnt here, or the religious BS would go on ad infinitum, ad nauseum!
So, GMC, knock of your BS, as well! I am sick and tired of not being able to post on this Blog without a bunch of lunatics insisting I am somebody else. Just the way you nincompoops do with Regular/Kansas/Whoever.
Would that be the regular duck or the Peking duck, which is on special today? :-)
heh huh, yeah, you said “nincompoops”, heh heh…poop…
ANTI, you too are a worthless POS on this Blog. You contribute less than nothing. Chas has not posted anything on this thread all day. Do you know what an idiot you prove yourself to be?
Does the US care if Russia expands back to take Georgia?
How about the Ukrane?
Poland?
Romania?
Bulgaria?
Baltic States?
Poland?
Germany?
Does the line need to be drawn somewhere? Yup. This time though, Europe had better be prepared to pony up and spend the money to defend itself.
The US can and should HELP, but I’m tired of European luxury at keeping their Defense Spending low, and relying on their US Sugar Daddy.
(I say we give them France.)
Peking duck…..good luck trying to eat the burrito with chop sticks..
The US recognized the breakaway province Kosovo from Serbia. Russia recognized the breakaway procinces AbKhazia and S Ossetia. I’m not sure I see the difference.
while making Nikes.
avtolle – I dont personally like my fowl served with a head attached. It just bothers me.
Ben, I’m not sure I see the difference either in the respective actions of the U.S. regarding Kosovo and the Russians in the current situation; unless it might have something to do with the pipeline through Georgia.
Well bth, you certainly have the Russian line down.
Square Peg, you don’t like religious crap? You are not Chas? The why is this in your nic?
Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
http://www.uua.org/
Well, I am off. I need to drop a note to Mr. Brownlee, et al, and then get home to shower and change for a meeting after the Great One speaks tonight.
Have a nice evening. Do have fun.
Agreed Max. But meanwhile back at reality, NATO is going to expect us to “help” them.
LLTVET
I responded to Linda, who spoke of squandered “moral authority” in dealing with Russia. Of course, there is no such thing with Russia. There never was.
No, we don’t have a “big stick” to deal with Russia. We NEVER DID. I’m truly amazed some on the left imagine that 1) we could intervene militarily in Georgia, which displays an astonishing ignorance of reality, and 2) we should intervene militarily. We have no national interest to do so there.
We can use some other tools – public statements (yawn); sanctions; perhaps, if we’re really serious, dropping Russia from the G8 (they really don’t belong there anyway, but we thought bringing them in would help move them to both open markets and a more open society – and that’s proved illusory). But military intervention, short of going nuclear (and NO ONE is advocating that) is simply not an option. As I’ve said before, geography matters.
Frankly, most of the world simply rolls their eyes when the Americans start to talk about “moral authority” when it comes to these sorts of things. How quant of the Americans to think that “morals” matter. Interests matter. Power matters. “Morality” is what is invoked publicly to justify actions – but national interests drive policy, not morality. “Moral authority” is for naive schoolchildren, proffered up for public consumption.
I agree LLLTVET, the question is then, WHERE and WHEN do you draw the line in the sand.
I’d say as far East as logistics allow, hopefully to include the Ukrane.
Eastern Europe should NOT be sacrificed again.
“Nathaniel” whines –
“So science doesn’t claim that the universe began by the Big Bang or some other theory?”
Read what you wrote, boy: “…the Big Bang or some other theory!”
There are a lot of theories. There’s a lot of nuance offered by a lot of different scientists who generally believe so-far un-refuted evidence.
With religion, there is no “some other theory” allowed. When you play the God Card, all bets are off.
Do you see the difference?
“Science doesn’t claim that life simply began by some process millions of years ago?”
Scientists generally concur that all scientific evidence indicates something like that probably happened millions of years ago. And scientists continue to research on the basis of such evidence. (BTW, I doubt you’d find any scientist to describe the process as “simple.” You, on the other hand…)
“Science doesn’t claim that all life evolved from that first life form millions of years ago?”
Once again, scientists generally concur that such an explanation is worth researching. No scientist has ever — in your words, “…proclaim[ed] to have the answers for the orgins of everything from life to the universe.”
“Where did I lie?”
Read your bold-faced lie above, boy, and stew in it.
Only religion claims “to have all the answers.” With the added convenience that you don’t need any evidence or thought; only faith.
You may be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven without evidence or thought, but try getting into grad school.
As for Morals, why do the Libs bring that into the discussion regarding War, yet they attack Conservatives for making Moral decisions affecting Libs?
Well GMC, your right about one thing. YAWN. I think we both know that Russia doesn’t give a rat about the G8. The cold hard reality is that we can’t do squat until the troops get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran Maybe. If you look at it realistically, all we can tell Georgia is “take a number”
Moral authority is just a fancy word for credibility. If you think that our “credibility” is strong when all we can basically tell Georgia is “take a number, we will get there when we finish with Iraq, Afghanistan, and maybe Iran”
I won’t speak for Linda, but that is how I took her statement.
GMC, I brought several “news” articles to the blog, and made NO personal statements. I hoped one of them might stimulate conversation of a topic I see as being ignored. It seemed to do that. I did not, however, make the statement you attribute to me.
NO, that’s not true! I did make a nasty statement reflecting my opinion of cheney.
MonkeyHawk,
I see now. Yes, that was definately a mistatement on my part to say that science claims to have all the answers.
I should have said that currently science has some type of explanation for everything from the beginning of the unverse to now.
And at no point during that time is God ever part of the answer.
So, back to my point, which you keep refusing to address.
“Science” as we know it now, will never say God is the answer or part of the equation.
So, if you think God is part of the answer, then at that point you are rejecting “science.”
So, MonkeyHawk, you claim to believe in God. At what point did you God do anything or did he?
Did God just exist and then out of no where a universe just came into existence and God decided to interact with that universe? How does that work? “scientifically” that is?
Nathaniel
Posted August 27, 2008 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
Squrepeg,
Becuase although Chas is not saying anything today, he does and has in the past. I am merely illustrating that point.
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Then I would suggest it might do you good to keep your remarks to those posting on the thread, instead of bringing up others not present. It would seem the “adult” way to deal with your difficulties.
Militarily there’s not much that could or can be done to help Georgia and a open war with Russia would end in disaster for all sides. and other than Humanitarian aid the kinds of things we could do you dont publish or admit too. We could secretly fund guerrilla operations against Russia by Georgia, we could fund the Georgian intelligence apparatus and put hits out on Russian politcal figures using the Russian mob as proxies, bomb targets in Moscow basically terrorism . We could covertly reinflame the cheycan conflict. But if any of that happens I guarantee that the Official US response would be to condemn wanten attacks
Ya I saw the Cheney shot.
Where should the line be drawn, since Georgia can not and should not be the place to draw the line?
Sabres are rattling in the Black Sea and in the Ukrane right now. Ukrane is shaking, thinking it’s next. Poland says, “Sign us up for missiles now!”.
Germany & France go around waving a piece of paper saying to Russia, “But you signed the peace agreement!”
Some things never change.
This must be the post. It is all copy and paste from the link provided. I do see that without adding quote marks you could think it was my words, but they were all written by Dan Froomkin.
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lindainks55
Posted August 27, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
Bush’s Big Nyet
This is what it’s come to. On Monday, President Bush issued a statement very sternly calling on Russian leaders not to recognize the Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent countries.
Within hours, the Russians went ahead and did it anyway.
So on Tuesday, out came another statement, in which Bush very sternly told the Russian leaders they shouldn’t have.
But there’s something almost personal about the way Russia is flouting Bush’s warnings. Is it because of all those times Bush poked the bear? Or is it because our military is otherwise occupied? Is it because Bush has squandered America’s moral authority? Or is just because he’s a lame duck? Maybe it’s on account of Bush’s demeaning nickname for Vladimir Putin. Take your pick.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/08/27/BL2008082701604.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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Linda:
Point taken. And it does seem to have stimulated some discussion.
LLTVET
Even if we were not in Iraq, even if we were not in Afghanistan, even if we had few if any other obligations, we could not effectively intervene militarily in Georgia. How do you get a carrier group into the Black Sea in the face of land-based air power? How do you resupply those forces, even assuming you can land them?
It can’t be done. Geography still dictates, to a large degree, what we can and cannot do. And this we cannot do.
“So science doesn’t claim that the universe began by the Big Bang or some other theory?
Science doesn’t claim that life simply began by some process millions of years ago?
Science doesn’t claim that all life evolved from that first life form millions of years ago?”
Science does not claim anything.
Scientists claim things, and there are many many types of scientists, many believing completely different things from each other, but all still being scientists.
Science is a process not a presense. Science is the process of figuring out the answers to questions; it does not ask the questions.
Here’s an idea Assassinate the Patriarch and level St Basil’s with a bomb and frame the Iranians or N Korea some other group we dont like and kill two birds with one stone
“TomPaine
Posted August 27, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
Here’s an idea Assassinate the Patriarch and level St Basil’s with a bomb and frame the Iranians or N Korea some other group we dont like and kill two birds with one stone”
some would say that worked with 9/11 and Iraq….
sursum,
The migration of the Porcupine herd is important, and impressive.
In addition to the calving issue in the Refuge, caribou have problems crossing gravel roads. The problem worsens as the size of the herd increases — and the Porcupine caribou travel in much large groups than the Central Arctic herd.
Bob Krebs, the Communications Director for the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington, DE, to which Senator Joseph Biden belongs, confirmed that Biden’s Bishop will not permit the Senator, even if elected Vice President, to speak at Catholic schools, referring to Bishop Michael Saltarelli’s 2004 statement on ‘Catholics in Political Life.’
Pro-abortion politicians don’t get a speaking platform there. It wouldn’t be right. It would be like giving a platform to someone who says personally, he wouldn’t own slaves, but promotes the right to profitably own slaves.
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“White people don’t feel bad, whatever you do to them, they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that’s when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don’t worry because God wants you to do it.”
. . . radical anti-Semitic anti-Christian Muslim Khalid Al-Mansour, who raised money and recommendations for Obamanation to get into Harvard Law School, in a YouTube video “Christians Designed Discrimination”
I like that Tom. Covertly sneak in a missile into Iran, a during the Iranian “test” it accidently veers toward Moscow and lands on the Kremlin.
The roll call is being taken. It reminds me of long ago Conventions. I like hearing all the praise for the individual states preceding their votes. I always learn something about a few of the states. California has already passed. Guess they’re jockeying to be the state that pushes the nominee over the top.
Caribou can’t cross a gravel road? Really? (Maybe that’s why you never see a Caribou Crossing sign by the highways.)
I guess in nature they only walk where there’s nice soft carpet.
We’ve now entered the:
T W I L I G H T
ZONE
“parkay
Posted August 27, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
…
“White people don’t feel bad, whatever you do to them, they deserve it, God wants you to do it and that’s when you cut out the nose, cut out the ears, take flesh out of their body, don’t worry because God wants you to do it.”
. . . radical anti-Semitic anti-Christian Muslim Khalid Al-Mansour, who raised money and recommendations for Obamanation to get into Harvard Law School, in a YouTube video “Christians Designed Discrimination””
Oh yeah….
“Kill the ni**ers!” KKK radical and member of the Baptist Church.
Squarepeg,
My point was in regards to Chas as well.
Perhaps, if you are not part of the conversation, you shouldn’t get involved. That would be the adult thing to do wouldn’t it?
Then again, if you are not really Chas, you sure are his twin here. You come running to his defense everytime his name is mentioned.
20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Aside from the fact that Turkey borders Georgia, agreed GMC.
Max, your idea would work too, but to get the best results you have to maximize the collateral damage, which is why would target St Basil’s, schools orphanages might go to far
MaxGrobnik
Posted August 27, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
I agree LLLTVET, the question is then, WHERE and WHEN do you draw the line in the sand.
I’d say as far East as logistics allow, hopefully to include the Ukrane.
Eastern Europe should NOT be sacrificed again.
I agree. And, since there are contiguous borders to work with integrating those countries into Europe makes sense.
Georgia, however, is half in Asia. It shares a small border with Turkey who is not particularly keen to help the US with its adventures right now. In effect; georgia has pretty much nothing to do with Europe.
Bush backs down in Georgia:
BATUMI, Georgia — Avoiding a potential confrontation with Moscow, a U.S. Coast Guard cutter ferrying humanitarian aid to Georgia steered away from the Russian-patrolled port of Poti on Wednesday and docked in this quieter southern harbor instead.
The U.S. decision came as Russia sent a naval task force armed with anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles into the waters off of Abkhazia on Wednesday on a “peace and stability” mission, the Russian Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The U.S. had intended to send the Coast Guard cutter Dallas to Poti, along with a U.S. destroyer, USS McFaul as its escort. Poti is Georgia’s main commercial port on the Black Sea, and it is still under Georgian control, but Russian forces continue to man two checkpoints around the town, which lies 15 miles south of the breakaway Georgian province of Abkhazia.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/50865.html
“Nathaniel” admits –
“I see now. Yes, that was definately a mistatement on my part to say that science claims to have all the answers.”
Hey, boy! You’re evolving!
“I should have said that currently science has some type of explanation for everything from the beginning of the unverse to now.”
BUZZZZZZZZZ!
I’m sorry. You moved right into wrong again.
There are a lot of “explanations.” Some are generally agreed upon. But science never stops asking questions, never stops re-evaluating what are colloquially called “conclusions.” Physicists and mathematician are constantly questioning and examining Newton’s “Laws” of Motion. (Science doesn’t call things “laws” much anymore; they should be Newtons Theories of Motion. But I digress.)
But to claim “…currently science has some type of explanation for everything…” goes beyond naive straight on to foolish.
Scientists worth their salt will thrill you in the prospects of someday exploring answers to questions no one has even thought of yet.
“And at no point during that time is God ever part of the answer.”
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
“TELL HIM WHAT HE’S WON, JOHNNY!”
That’s what I’ve been telling you, boy.
Just like you can’t score three runs in the bottom of the 9th by bringing in your place-kicker, science deals with Nature. The supernatural is not a possible answer.
“So, back to my point, which you keep refusing to address.”
I think I’ve addressed your points, boy.
(see above)
“Science” as we know it now, will never say God is the answer or part of the equation.”
(see above)
“So, if you think God is part of the answer, then at that point you are rejecting “science.”
In the Universe, for all I know, God might be part of THE Answer, I suppose. But science doesn’t get to play the God Card.
“So, MonkeyHawk, you claim to believe in God.”
I’m not sure you’d accept my belief, and I’m just doing the best I can with a brain made out of meat. I kinda hope God believes in me, though.
” At what point did you God do anything or did he?”
Is your God limited to a “point?”
That seems like a limiting perspective.
“Did God just exist and then out of no where a universe just came into existence and God decided to interact with that universe? How does that work? “scientifically” that is?”
I dunno. Nobody knows yet. Maybe nobody will ever know. Science is like that parable how Thomas Edison considered his experiments with incandescent light successful because, so far, he’d learned a thousands way to not invent the light bulb.
You arrogantly began this dialog with the straw man argument that “science claims to know the answers to everything.”
That is a flat-out lie.
It’s presents a false premise.
And, given your tendency to ask God-cha questions, you seem to purposely ignore that religion and science are separate disciplines. Either is corrupted if they intersect.
Science and theology – The Age of the Universe:
“According to a possible reading of ancient commentators’ description of God and nature, the world may be simultaneously young and old.”
http://aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Age_of_the_Universe.asp
Six days … separate from all the years that follow:
Looking deeper into the text.
In trying to understand the flow of time here, you have to remember that the entire Six Days is described in 31 sentences. The Six Days of Genesis, which have given people so many headaches in trying to understand science vis-a-vis the Bible, are confined to 31 sentences! At MIT, in the Hayden library, we had about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. At Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 200,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don’t expect that by a simple reading of those sentences you’ll know every detail that is held within the text. It’s obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out.
The idea of having to dig deeper is not a rationalization. The Talmud (Chagiga, ch. 2) tells us that from the opening sentence of the Bible, through the beginning of Chapter Two, the entire text is given in parable form, a poem with a text and a subtext. Now, again, put yourself into the mindset of 1500 years ago, the time of the Talmud. Why would the Talmud think it was parable? You think that 1500 years ago they thought that God couldn’t make it all in 6 days? It was a problem for them? We have a problem today with cosmology and scientific data. But 1500 years ago, what’s the problem with 6 days for an infinitely powerful God? No problem.
So when the Sages excluded these six days from the calendar, and said that the entire text is parable, it wasn’t because they were trying to apologize away what they’d seen in the local museum. There was no local museum. The fact is that a close reading of the text makes it clear that there’s information hidden and folded into layers below the surface.
“bth” rolls one with –
“According to a possible reading of ancient commentators’ description of God and nature, the world may be simultaneously young and old.”
An’, an’, have you really looked at your thumb? Your thumb is nothing but atoms, man. An’ didja ever notice that atoms are like the planets orbiting the earth, an’ how what we think is earth is just an electron spinning around the nucleus of an atom in some giant’s thumb?….
Sorry, “bth” –
I can’t address your comment without some Afghani hash.
MH – that was a quote from the site. It was written by a guy who studied both the Torah and cosmology. He actually makes some good arguements based on both. It is a bit complicated though.
His time line:
The calculations come out to be as follows:
The first of the Biblical days lasted 24 hours, viewed from the “beginning of time perspective.” But the duration from our perspective was 8 billion years.
The second day, from the Bible’s perspective lasted 24 hours. From our perspective it lasted half of the previous day, 4 billion years.
The third 24 hour day also included half of the previous day, 2 billion years.
The fourth 24 hour day — one billion years.
The fifth 24 hour day — one-half billion years.
The sixth 24 hour day — one-quarter billion years.
When you add up the Six Days, you get the age of the universe at 15 and 3/4 billion years. The same as modern cosmology. Is it by chance?
But there’s more. The Bible goes out on a limb and tells you what happened on each of those days. Now you can take cosmology, paleontology, archaeology, and look at the history of the world, and see whether or not they match up day-by-day. And I’ll give you a hint. They match up close enough to send chills up your spine.
Like I said, “bth” –
Not without some Black Afghani.
MaxGrobnik posted August 27, 2008 at 5:05 pm
“Caribou can’t cross a gravel road? Really? (Maybe that’s why you never see a Caribou Crossing sign by the highways.)
I guess in nature they only walk where there’s nice soft carpet.”
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1) Learn to read. I said “caribou have problems crossing gravel roads”, not “can’t cross”.
2) Perhaps MaxGrobnik is ignorant of the fact that the roads use a thick layer of gravel?
No problem MH. My point is for those who maintain that their own interpretation of Genesis is the only one.
I have long found it fascinating that the creation in Genesis DOES follow what we know from science – except for the time issue. As this Jewish scholor notes – that has been a long discussion among Torah scholors for centuries. Even Moses referred to two calendars:
Talmudic commentaries 1500 years ago, brings this information. In the Midrash (Vayikra Rabba 29:1), an expansion of the Talmud, all the Sages agree that Rosh Hashana commemorates the soul of Adam, and that the Six Days of Genesis are separate.
Why were the Six Days taken out of the calendar? Because time is described differently in those Six Days of Genesis. “There was evening and morning” is an exotic, bizarre, unusual way of describing time.
Once you come from Adam, the flow of time is totally in human terms. Adam and Eve live 130 years before having children! Seth lives 105 years before having children, etc. From Adam forward, the flow of time is totally human in concept. But prior to that time, it’s an abstract concept: “Evening and morning.” It’s as if you’re looking down on events from a viewpoint that is not intimately related to them.
Nachmanides, in the name of Kabbalah, says, “Why does Moses break the calendar into two parts — ‘The days of old, and the years of the many generations?’ Because, ‘Consider the days of old’ is the Six Days of Genesis. ‘The years of the many generations’ is all the time from Adam forward.”
Moses says you can see God’s fingerprint on the universe in one of two ways. Look at the phenomenon of the Six Days, and the development of life in the universe which is mind-boggling. Or if that doesn’t impress you, then just consider society from Adam forward — the phenomenon of human history. Either way, you will find the imprint of God.
Even Time itself began with the Big bang:
Now the fact that the Bible tells us there is “evening and morning Day One” (and not “a first day”) comes to teach us time from a Biblical perspective. Einstein proved that time varies from place to place in the universe, and that time varies from perspective to perspective in the universe. The Bible says there is “evening and morning Day One”.
Now if the Torah were seeing time from the days of Moses and Mount Sinai — long after Adam — the text would not have written Day One. Because by Sinai, hundreds of thousands of days already passed. There was a lot of time with which to compare Day One. Torah would have said “A First Day.” By the second day of Genesis, the Bible says “a second day,” because there was already the First Day with which to compare it. You could say on the second day, “what happened on the first day.” But as Nahmanides pointed out, you could not say on the first day, “what happened on the first day” because “first” implies comparison — an existing series. And there was no existing series. Day One was all there was.
Even if the Torah was seeing time from Adam, the text would have said “a first day”, because by its own statement there were six days. The Torah says “Day One” because the Torah is looking forward from the beginning. And it says, How old is the universe? Six Days. We’ll just take time up until Adam. Six Days. We look back in time, and say the universe is approximately 15 billion years old. But every scientist knows, that when we say the universe is 15 billion years old, there’s another half of the sentence that we never say. The other half of the sentence is: The universe is 15 billion years old as seen from the time-space coordinates that we exist in on earth. That’s Einstein’s view of relativity. But what would those billions of years be as perceived from near the beginning looking forward?
Heh MonkeyHawk. I used to like Lebanese Blond myself. Or Red Brick. Or.. um… geez. I sound like an old biotch.
heheheh. Where is gster to tell the boy he needs a hit of window pane and to get his ashes hauled. I’m still laughing about that.
A question I ponder as a scientist: Who lit the fuse before the Big Bang?
Max: It is a twilight zone, in summer the sun never sleeps and in winter it never shines. The flora and fuana are delicate for sure, moreso are the lives of the first nations people who rely on the migration of the vast herds. The artic may yield oil for a few years but the herds will be lost forever and so will a way of life for an idependant peoples. Jeez, we’re so civilized ain’t we?
sarsum – their way of life is being lost anyway. When the ice goes so goes the support for their traditions.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
A friend of mine has a collection of an underground newspaper from back in the days when KU was “Berkley on the Kaw.”
A regular Page 2 feature was the Kaw Valley Drug Report. It listed all the stuff that was available, rated it for quality and price.
From Columbian (”Look for the red hairs in the buds, but it’ll make you caugh.”) for $35 “a lid” to $7.00-a-lid “Utility Weed.”
Tell a kid you want “a lid” these days and I wonder what they’d think.
Then there was the peyote, mescaline, cillaciben, windowpane, blotter, uppers, downers, laughers, screamers… it was the Consumer Reports of Lawrence in the 60s.
bth
Posted August 27, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
Georgia, however, is half in Asia. It shares a small border with Turkey who is not particularly keen to help the US with its adventures right now. In effect; georgia has pretty much nothing to do with Europe.
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Yeah, Russia taking back territory in Georgia has nothing to do with Europe.
Hitler invading Poland had nothing to do with Russia or France or Britain et al, either.
That’s why the Ukrane, Poland, and the Baltic States are so comfortable about their position right now.
Yeah, Georgia has nothing to do with Europe.
I’m sure Obama will figure it out.
Sursum/Cosmos, you ever see Caribou in the wild?
I have.
In Sweeden they have no problem crossing roads. In fact, they are hunted there. You can order Caribou at many restaraunts and buy their pelts at many stores.
But go on with your Radical Rants about saving the World from Global Warming, er I mean Climate Change. If it isn’t the Caribou, then its the polar bear. What’s next, penguins? (Remember, cooling is caused by warming is caused by man means much Government control must take place means extra taxes and penalties and credit exchanges and sacrifices must take place.)
Max: Other than the twilight zone thing ‘twixt full summer and dead of winter, I believe the hooves of caribou are very tender, developed over ions to walk on a carpet, a carpet of local moss and low ground cover flora which could be compared soft velvet. I’ve heard that a mans’ fooltprint can last for a generation before the area of imprint recovers. It is very hard for caribou to traverse anything that is sharp or hard, like gravel or tarmac. Never visted the place though….
Time now to listen to the words of the Great One. I can hardly wait. This is going to be exciting!
Mr. Clinton was Terriffic!!
SquarePeg,
You listen to Mark Levin? He is called The Great One!
Lightning Bolts struck from nowhere. The Lez is Dead.
U.S. lesbian pioneer, 87, dies months after wedding
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2750033420080828
MaxGrobnik,
So are you claiming that caribou in Sweden move in groups as large (or larger) than the Porcupine herd, AND those large groups easily cross gravel roads that are a few feet higher than the surrounding land?
Do you have a link to that?
If you’re not making the above claims, then you’re just proving your ignorance on that Arctic Refuge issue, and/or your reading comprehension problem.
DDDUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 DAYS OUT, AND NEW ORLEANS IS TAKING THE RIGHT ACTION – THIS TIME!!!
A new Governor is in town. And m a y b e Nagin also learned a hard lesson from killing 1,500 of his people last time!
(Blaming BUSH…A G A I N ?)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,411862,00.html#
Louisiana in State of Emergency as Gustav Threat Grows
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
Steve Weaver, 82, and his wife stayed for Katrina — and were plucked off the roof of their house by a Coast Guard helicopter. This time, Weaver has no inclination to ride out the storm.
“Everybody learned a lesson about staying, so the highways will be twice as packed this time,” Weaver said.
Cosmos,
Go suck a Caribou turd.
Max doesnt like being proved wrong! Tsk! Tsk!
Chas, you are never wrong, are you?
LOL!
ROFLMAO!
FLMAOROLOL!!!!!
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Chas,
Go cry to your momma. Tell her everybody is always pickin on you. Have some posts deleted. And don’t forget to INCLUDE YOURS TOO!
Max, you are proving yourself to be a delusional fool. Now you are talking to a poster that is not here. Delusional thinking seems to fit well with the mind set you portray on this Blog
SquarePeg, why do you answer when I’m addressing Chas?
SquarePeg, do you not understand how blogs work?
Posters do not have to be here in real time to carry on a conversation.
I was talking to Chas.
Why have you interrupted our chat?
Max,regarding the deeply mourned death of Del Martin, you may now ESAD. You must be so bitter that no one will miss, or mourn you when you are gone.
Max, you are intimidating my ability to post here, since you insist on equating me with your little Pet, Chas.
I dont give a good damn about religion, or about heaven or hell, or any of your self righteous Bull Shit. Just get it through your obscenely stupid, and insane head, that I am not your little pet, Chas.
MaxGrobnik posted August 27, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Cosmos Caribu(sic) Expert.
Cosmos Global Warming Expert.”
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We thank you again MaxGrobnik, for posting ad hominems at me, instead of facts to support your (false) claims.
MaxGrobnik, you should base your opinions on facts.
KFG — I share with you in your mourning for Del Martin. And in your assessment of Max’s mental depravity. May Del rest in peace.
I’m intimidating you Square Peg?
How?
Am I restricting your ability to use your keyboard?
Amazing.
You better get the fairness doctrine passed fast, cause other people might be able to express an opinion if you don’t ban them now!
Who the heck is Dell Martin?
Did he found Dell computers?
When did I comment on Dell Martin?
My, how sensitive the Libs are to anyone besides them even breathing.
cosmos_originally
Posted August 27, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink
MaxGrobnik posted August 27, 2008 at 11:03 pm
“Cosmos Caribu(sic) Expert.
Cosmos Global Warming Expert.”
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We thank you again MaxGrobnik, for posting ad hominems at me, instead of facts to support your (false) claims.
MaxGrobnik, you should base your opinions on facts.
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Cosmos, you are the self-proclaimed expert on Global Warming and now Caribou.
What’s non-factual about that? And who cares if opinions are based in fact anyway?
Your’s are not!
SquarePeg
Posted August 27, 2008 at 11:13 pm | Permalink
Max, you are intimidating my ability to post here, since you insist on equating me with your little Pet, Chas.
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Heh, heh. Chas, Square Peg thinks you are my little pet!
LOL!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
LOL!!!
GUFFFAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!
Say Square Peg, Stand The Floor Up!
Good night; good luck; God bless —-
Whatver you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Special blessings on the Memory of Del Martin!!
So mote it be!!
Square Peg,
At some point the right-winger trash-masters will force you to put them on “ignore.”
I’ve got Raptor and Anti on ignore right now.
They’ll raz and heckle you unmercifully about it, but, hey, you won’t care because they’re on ignore.
Either you are in control or they are.
I prefer it when I am.
It also makes the Blog a lot more enjoyable not to have to read the idiotic plicks.
With all of the thousands of posts here, why is it you never see Square Peg and Chas post at exactly the same time.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm…………………………………………………………………………………..
Say, is Dell in Hell?
If it is an abomination afterall, I mean, where else would she be?
Max isnt just delusional, but also paranoid. LOL
CapN, you told SquarePeg to put somebody on “ignore” How is that done exactly??
Course, if you are an evolutionist, Dell is just Dead. Dell is now just dust.
No big deal.
Chas, just don’t reply to them!
Duh.
The Deaf, Dumb, and Blind kid,
Sure plays a mean pinball!!!!!!!
Oh Chas, just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean someone ISN’T out to get you!
MaxGrobnik posted August 27, 2008 at 11:26 pm
“And who cares if opinions are based in fact anyway?”
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MaxGrobnik’s posts prove that his opinions are not based on facts.
GREAT picture!!!
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08/27/clash-of-clusters-separates-dark-matter-from-ordinary-matter/
Cosmos posts prove that his opinions are not based on facts.
Max, your keepers are calling you back to your padded cell…. Nite nite!!
MaxGrobnik
Posted August 27, 2008 at 11:42 pm | Permalink
Oh Chas, just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean someone ISN’T out to get you!
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You need not worry, Max. You arent relevant enough to matter!! ROFL!!
Chas,
The CapnAmerica method of “ignoring” someone is to keep saying that you are ignoring them. You tell them you are ignoring them and then when they keep posting to you, you simply keep saying that you are ignoring them.
I guess, for CapnAmerica, “ignoring” someone is actually not ignoring them, rather telling them that you are in the hopes of what… I don’t know.
Max:I think what you saw in Sweden were reindeer. They sort of look alike but caribou are much bigger and have never been tamed as the Lapp peoples tamed the reindeer. I tried to find were there is any mention of caribou being in Sweden, and couldn’t.