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IPCC Author Selection Process Plagued by Bias, Cronyism
The selection of authors for the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), whose 2007 assessment report is often referred to as the definitive consensus regarding climate science, has been riddled with bias and cronyism, falling far short of the broad scientific consensus by which IPCC describes itself, reports a new study by the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI).
“The IPCC is a single-interest organization, whose charter directs it to assume that there is a human influence on climate, rather than to consider whether the influence may be negligible,” lead author John McLean, an Australian researcher, observes in the study.
The study documents that instead of seeking input from a wide array of scientists representing a broad swath of the scientific community, IPCC’s climate science assessment is dominated by a small clique of alarmists who frequently work closely with each other outside the IPCC process.
Focusing on chapter 9 of IPCC’s latest assessment–the crucial chapter asserting greenhouse gases are the primary cause of the Earth’s modest recent warming and predicting a substantial acceleration of warming in the near future–McLean reports, “More than two-thirds of all authors of chapter 9 of the IPCC’s 2007 climate-science assessment are part of a clique whose members have co-authored papers with each other and, we can surmise, very possibly at times acted as peer-reviewers for each other’s work. Of the 44 contributing authors, more than half have co-authored papers with the lead authors or coordinating lead authors of chapter 9.
“It is no surprise, therefore, that the majority of scientists who are skeptical of a human influence on climate significant enough to be damaging were unrepresented in the authorship of chapter 9, most of whose authors were climate modelers unwilling to admit that their models are neither accurate nor complete,” McLean observes.
Two coordinating lead authors were in charge of establishing the procedures and overseeing the substance of chapter 9’s final product, the SPPI study notes. The two coordinating lead authors and seven additional lead authors selected the 44 contributing authors for the chapter.
The two coordinating lead authors for chapter 9 were neither objective nor willing to seek broad representation in the selection of contributing authors, the SPPI study documents. One of the two lead authors is a staffer for the environmental activist group Environment Canada, and the other is an alarmist from Duke University who previously co-authored papers with at least 12 of the 44 contributing authors selected for chapter 9.
Of the 53 coordinating lead authors, lead authors, and contributing authors chosen to write chapter 9, 41 co-authored papers together … which they then cited in the IPCC final report. In short, a close-knit group of IPCC authors cited their own prior work to justify their alarmist assertions, and then passed this off as the “broad consensus” of the scientific community, the SPPI study shows.
Disturbingly, at least eight of the authors had previously co-authored articles with Environment Canada’s Francis Zwiers, raising serious concerns about their objectivity. Scientists and scientific papers that dispute and contradict the assertions of this close-knit group of alarmists were frequently and predictably ignored by them.
Moreover, lead authors frequently chose their subordinates to compose the report. For example, Peter Stott of the British government’s Hadley Center for Forecasting was chosen as a lead author, and then eight additional Hadley Center staffers were chosen to work under him as contributing authors of chapter 9.
Far from ensuring a wide range of opinions from a broad cross-section of scientists, more than 20 percent of the chapter 9 contributing editors consisted of staff from the Hadley Center working in a supervisor/subordinate structure.
Of the remaining contributing authors, 23 also had pre-existing work relationships with each other. For example, two Duke University staffers were chosen to be lead authors. Coordinating lead author Gabriele Heger, who would supervise them for IPCC, was also from Duke University.
All told, 32 of the 53 chapter 9 authors had pre-existing and ongoing relationships with other authors as coworkers, supervisors, or subordinates. That is in addition to the previously documented 41 of 53 authors having previously co-authored papers together.
“This network of relationships between most of the authors of chapter 9 demonstrates a disturbingly tight network of scientists with common research interests and opinions. The contrast between this close-knit network and the IPCC’s stated claim to represent a global diversity of views is remarkable and does not augur well for the impartiality or reliability of chapter 9’s conclusions,” the study noted.
As a result, the study summarizes, “Governments have naively and unwisely accepted the claims of a human influence on global temperatures made by a close-knit clique of a few dozen scientists, many of them climate modelers, as if such claims were representative of the opinion of the wider scientific community. On the evidence presented here, the IPCC’s selection of its chapter authors is so prejudiced towards a predetermined outcome that its entire process is valueless, its scientific assessment of the climate meaningless, and its conclusions useless.”
“The McLean analysis of the processes of the IPCC 4th Assessment Report supports prior criticisms of IPCC processes and results,” said Robert Ferguson, president of the Science and Public Policy Institute. “We now have a better understanding of how the IPCC 3rd Assessment Report ‘hockey stick’ fiasco, in which bogus statistical data was presented to support a nonexistent warming record, was allowed to occur,” Ferguson noted. “That is to say, the UN’s IPCC is a political organization feigning science as a cover for its political ends. “The UN’s careful selection of layers of like-minded ‘authors’ for the critical chapter 9 shows it quite successfully counted on a small clique of authors avoiding any meaningful peer review of their assertions,” Ferguson said.
I’m sure y’all missed it, more evidence for the irrefutable fact of evolution.
Exploding Chromosomes Fuel Research About Evolution Of Genetic Storage
ScienceDaily (Aug. 24, 2008) — Human cells somehow squeeze two meters of double-stranded DNA into the space of a typical chromosome, a package 10,000 times smaller than the volume of genetic material it contains.
“It is like compacting your entire wardrobe into a shoebox,” said Riccardo Levi-Setti, Professor Emeritus in Physics at the University of Chicago.
Now research into single-celled, aquatic algae called dinoflagellates is showing that these and related organisms may have evolved more than one way to achieve this feat of genetic packing. Even so, the evolution of chromosomes in dinoflagellates, humans and other mammals seem to share a common biochemical basis, according to a team Levi-Setti led. The team’s findings appear online, in Science Direct’s list of papers in press in the European Journal of Cell Biology.
More @:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080821164306.htm
>Even so, the evolution of chromosomes in dinoflagellates, humans and other mammals seem to share a common biochemical basis, according to a team Levi-Setti led. <
Makes perfect sense, they were all created by the same God.
Samkan claims:
“Makes perfect sense, they were all created by the same God.”
Do you have any evidence for that or is it another baseless claim by the anti-science creationists?
Creationist are not anti-science.. we just do not limit our realm of possibilities to natural causes. One thing for sure, if God did create all things, you will never find the “truth” in natural science. Natural science will eventually explain many things, but origins is not one of them.
You are a smart guy Maggot, when will you realize that your crusade to prove that God does not exist is hopeless. It must be extremely time consuming and frustrating.
He can compress the most words into the smallest ideas of any man I ever met.
– Abraham Lincoln commenting on blogger HLP
“Creationist are not anti-science.. we just do not limit our realm of possibilities to natural causes”– sumsum
As I’ve said now on blogs for years, some people think the world is supernatural, others think it is natural.
oops, that was sam Kan. Still have morning boogers in the eyes.
beber…
sumsum is my Chinese nic…. LOL.
and some of us think it a combination of supernatural and natural. the natural is open to scientific discovery, the supernatural is only open to personal experience, although I have witnessed some very “physical” supernatural events.
So does nature trump supernature, or vice versa? I prefer to think that as long as we can’t explain many things, supernature is one possibility, and lack of knowledge is another. And of course, there is always the possibility that the observer has a limited nature. In other words, some things can’t be explained because man isn’t smart enough to understand.
“samkan” declares –
“Creationist are not anti-science.. we just do not limit our realm of possibilities to natural causes”
At the risk of belaboring the obvious, “samkan,” science is strictly limited to natural causes.
There might be a place for the supernatural — in faith, in myth, in literature, maybe even the arts — but not in science.
>There might be a place for the supernatural — in faith, in myth, in literature, maybe even the arts — but not in science.<
I alluded to that… sorry I wasn’t clear. Those of us who believe in Creation just BELIEVE that nature came to be supernaturally, and therefore also BELIEVE that there are things in this world that cannot ever be explained by science. Faith and science are not the same, yet not mutually exclusive. I do not deny scientific facts, but because of my faith I sometimes have different explanations for events that have no scientific proof.
“I have witnessed some very “physical” supernatural events.”
Like what…?
Hey, all you Warmers….
Still very quiet.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/
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Mary_Caruso
Posted August 25, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink
“I have witnessed some very “physical” supernatural events.”
Like what…?
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One of my past girlfriends stood straight up in bed and floated around the room after sex.
Regular, you werent supposed to poke a hole in her!! ROFLMAO!!
….last night I saw a naked cowgirl,
she was floating cross the ceiling….
Mary…
Those who deny the supernatural won’t believe me anyway, so there is no point in starting the debate. My experiences are my experiences, and they convince ME there is a supernatural realm. You can make your own choice based on your experiences.
“Regular” claims –
“One of my past girlfriends stood straight up in bed and floated around the room after sex.”
Perhaps you shouldn’t have inflated your sex doll with helium.
Talk about inexplainable things…I’ve seen the body of a nun who died in the late 1880s that never decomposed. She lies in a small chapel in France and her eyes are open, I went right up to her glass coffin and really took a good look at her. She is very real. How can anyone explain that? She was the designer of the miraculous medal, her name is Saint Catherine Labouré. You can look her up on line to read about her. I’ve never been able to figure that one out.
I’m just curious, Sam. Most “supernatural” things that I’ve experienced can be explained somehow..but that one experience I had can’t.
Monkey… now THAT is funny :)
Regular, you gotta admit you set yourself up! ;-)
A peek into our water future?
“Worldwide corruption driven by mafia-like organizations throughout water industries is forcing the poor to pay more for basic drinking water and sanitation services, according to a new report.
If bribery, organized crime, embezzlement, and other illegal activities continue, consumers and taxpayers will pay the equivalent of U.S. $20 billion dollars over the next decade, says the report, released this week at the World Water Week conference in Stockholm, Sweden.
The water sector is one of most corrupt after health and education, added Håkan Tropp, chair of the Water Integrity Network (WIN), an advocacy group and report co-author.
That’s because the poor often don’t have a voice in strategic water policy decisions, said Christian Poortman, head of the anticorruption group Transparency International (TI), which collaborated with WIN on the study.
Skyrocketing Prices In developing countries, corruption bumps up household water prices by at least 30 percent, experts say.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/43870478.htm…
And something no one mentions about Iraq. Check out the paragraph concerning the CIA and water. Chilling, no pun intended.
”
Water Woes
In Iraq, Water and Oil Do Mix
http://www.counterpunch.org/wells05162003.html
By LEAH C. WELLS
Conspicuously missing from the ubiquitous Iraq war critique was the subtle agenda of water rights in the parched Middle East region. Of all the reasons for invading Iraq, securing water rights was never mentioned because it implicates too many countries with volatile connections to Iraq, like Syria, Jordan, Turkey and Israel. Protest signs read, “No Blood For Oil,” as American corporations salivated in line for the opportunity to win contracts to rebuild the ravaged infrastructure. Why did no antiwar protesters carry signs saying, “No War for Water”? They should have.
The current litany of reasons for invading or threatening to invade countries pertains to terrorism, nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, and undemocratic, fundamentalist regimes. These reasons are particularized and specific, and keep the world guessing where the United States will launch its next attack. With an explicit agenda for controlling water in the Middle East, however, the roadmap for regime change and regional control would become transparent and predictable.
A land of displaced people and destroyed ecosystems, the once thriving marshland area of southern Iraq was home to hundreds of thousands of marsh Arabs who had sustained a 5,000 year-old culture until the ancient life-giving waters were drained and dammed by the recently-toppled Saddam Hussein government as well as by other riparian states. Truly Saddam created a catastrophic situation by redirecting the water and razing marsh Arab villages. Yet aside from the apparent ecological and humanitarian crisis pertaining to the area, why is the project of rehydrating the marshlands so urgently important for American interests?
A World Bank webcast in May 2001 quotes Jean-Louis Sarbib, Vice President of the World Bank’s Middle East and North Africa Region, as saying that the CIA had identified water as one of the key issues of the 21st century. Water is a pressing issue in the Middle East which, like the sparse underground aquifers, stays beneath the surface. With 45 million people in the Middle East not having access to drinking water and 80 million not having access to sanitation, Sarbib’s commentary is an understatement.
more:
http://www.counterpunch.org/wells05162003.html
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lindainks55
Posted August 25, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink
Regular, you gotta admit you set yourself up! ;-)
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Yes, I was intentionally the straight man.
However, I was hoping Mary would deliver the punch line.
Mary is probably already off to work her usual tough day helping those who need help.
Unlike the rest of us slackers :)
I’m a proud member of the fighting keyboarders since 2006!
Mary.. I will take a chance and give you an example… remember, this is MY experience, none of you were there. My father was on his death bed in a coma for 3 days, heavily sedated with morphine. He would often reach up with his arms and repeat “mama”. Just before he passed away, my family was at his bedside. His breathing had almost stopped when suddenly he sat up straight in bed, opened his eyes and looked at each one of us. He smiled the biggest smile I have ever seen and then he laid back down. His upper torso raised off the bed a few inches and I swear I SAW his spirit leave his body. Now you can try and explain it however you may, but I KNOW what I saw, and I know what I BELIEVE happened, and no natural explanations will ever change that.
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of . . . ” Hamlet
Did everyone just receive the email from kansas.com telling us there be an agreement between the strikers and HBC?
Machinists, Hawker Beechcraft reach tentative agreement
BY MOLLY McMILLIN, The Wichita Eagle
The striking Machinists union and Hawker Beechcraft Corp. have reached a tentative agreement on a three-year contract — one the union is saying contains “substantial” improvements over the previous offer.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23694
Here’s Hank’s source, a big oil funded global-warming denying organization.
Scroll over, nothing to see there . . .
I saw that Linda. Poor nut boy. Gotta pay full price for his boat…
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lindainks55
Posted August 25, 2008 at 9:58 am | Permalink
Did everyone just receive the email from kansas.com telling us there be an agreement between the strikers and HBC?
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In a few short weeks, all those young employees looking forward to a promising career will have their lives devastated by mass layoffs from the strike.
Yes, the union, purveyor of the fatted calf and union shrine-worshiping, sacrificial priests of those without seniority.
“samkan” –
I have no doubt or problem, really, with what you believe you experienced.
However, I’m curious. When you say –
“… I SAW his spirit leave his body,” I’m curious what you saw?
See, thought the very definition of “spirit” included invisibility. Did you see something leaving your father’s body? Did it have color or texture or form.
In old movies they portray it as a human-shaped translucent image. Was your experience like that? Or maybe more like a vapor that lifted up toward (or through) the ceiling?
I’ve seen three people die and I can attest there’s a moment when you realize that a person who was alive is no longer alive. But I can’t say that “I SAW” the spirit leave the body.
What did you SEE?
Just askin’.
Kennedy to Limp onto Stage to tell Obama to Win One for The Swimmer!
Cripple vote will be maintained by Democrats.
Kennedy to Attend Democratic Convention
by FOXNews.com
Sunday, August 24, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/24/kennedy-to-attend-democratic-convention
Condolences to Blue Jay on the loss of his girlfriend. One-Eyed Girlfriend Now Looking to Reunite with JR.
New York Prostitute With One Leg Dies After Being Knocked From Wheelchair
Saturday, August 23, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409424,00.html
How’s that NYC gun-ban working out? Women can’t defend themselves in their own homes!
Obama’s Gun Bans will encourage more of these crimes!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409771,00.html
Stabbing Victim’s Cries for Help Ignored
Monday, August 25, 2008
NEW YORK — Investigators say neighbors waited more than a half hour to call police after hearing a woman’s screams for help as she was being stabbed to death at a New York City apartment.
Police found 21-year-old Ebony Garcia lying in a pool of blood at about 2:10 a.m Saturday. She was stabbed about a dozen times and died two hours later at a local hospital.
Witnesses say neighbors ignored the woman’s screams for more than 30 minutes before someone called the police. One neighbor says she ignored the cries because she thought the victim had been drinking.
Police want to question Garcia’s boyfriend. She had obtained a restraining order against him.
Global Warming is Over? Says Farmers Almanac.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409774,00.html
Farmer’s Almanac Predicts Colder, ‘Catastrophic’ Winter
Monday, August 25, 2008
LEWISTON, Maine — People worried about the high cost of keeping warm this winter will draw little comfort from the Farmers’ Almanac, which predicts below-average temperatures for most of the U.S.
“Numb’s the word,” says the 192-year-old publication, which claims an accuracy rate of 80 to 85 percent for its forecasts that are prepared two years in advance.
The almanac’s 2009 edition, which goes on sale Tuesday, says at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder-than-average temperatures this winter, with only the Far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings.
I guess the simple-minded still dont understand that weather predictions have little or nothing to do with impending global warming…
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MaxGrobnik
Posted August 25, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Condolences to Blue Jay on the loss of his girlfriend. One-Eyed Girlfriend Now Looking to Reunite with JR.
New York Prostitute With One Leg Dies After Being Knocked From Wheelchair
Saturday, August 23, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409424,00.html
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Isn’t that ILean?
I personally have been healed by God, through faith. I was suffering from a neurological problem that caused pain in my neck and shoulder and numbness in my arm. I went through the entire battery of testing including MRI and treatments including extensive PT, injections etc.. To no avail. Finally, I was told that a difficult neurosurgery was the only way to prevent permanent neurological damage.
I sought a different path, through faith. I began to study and to work hard in that area. A few months later, my condition was gone. I am as strong physically as I have ever been.
I suppose that you can offer some natural explanation for what happened. But I know what occurred and what I was doing to help facilitate it. It didn’t just happen. I give God all the credit and all the glory.
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Chas
Posted August 25, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
I guess the simple-minded still dont understand that weather predictions have little or nothing to do with impending global warming…
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I dunno Chas, the Farmer’s Almanac has been correct 80 percent of the time the past ten years.
All those GW scientists you worship, have completely missed the boat the past 10 years. :)
Old Farmers is pretty good on WEATHER forecasts…. Unfortunately, weather predictions have little or nothing to do with Global Warming….
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Chas
Posted August 25, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
Old Farmers is pretty good on WEATHER forecasts…. Unfortunately, weather predictions have little or nothing to do with Global Warming….
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Yes, the 100 year climb of 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade has taken it in the shorts of late. It is now down to 0.82 degrees F in the last decade.
Not much of a chance for GW, since your esteemed GW scientists have also predicting a cooling trend for the next 10 to 15 years.
Why do you think the Alarmists changed the moniker to Climate Change?
I’ll tell you why, is because the bill of goods about Global Warming they were trying to sell, turned out to be false. :)
Ummmm 0.82 > 0.1 :roll:
Yeah, Outlander, and I had Planter Fascitis, and it went away, too. I don’t think it was an act of God. It just got better. What flimsy bs you people cling to, and what arrogance you practice. You had a pinched nerve in your neck, you idiot, and the swelling subsided, or as likely, bursitis. The arrogance is to think you’re so special that God reached out and healed you. If you cut off a limb and then grow it back, give me a call.
Chas
Posted August 25, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink
Ummmm 0.82 > 0.1
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oops left out a zero to the left of the 8. :)
0.082 degrees F
Nawww beber… Dont you know?? Pinched nerves in the neck are Kharma flashbacks from a previous life, where the victim was wrongly hung as a criminal, and needs to make reparations in This life, before moving onward to the next…
/sacrcasm off/
“The striking Machinists union and Hawker Beechcraft Corp. have reached a tentative agreement on a three-year contract — one the union is saying contains “substantial” improvements over the previous offer.”
Told ya.
And
When welfare cases attack….
“In a few short weeks, all those young employees looking forward to a promising career will have their lives devastated by mass layoffs from the strike.
“Yes, the union, purveyor of the fatted calf and union shrine-worshiping, sacrificial priests of those without seniority.”
Yes, it is indeed cruel that that company put on many young workers just before the strike and then told them that if they joined the strike they would violate their probationary employment and be terminated.
That would have been illegal of course. And the bully, illegal tactic did not work.
But it is true that many of those young workers hired to break the union effort before the fact will now be cut loose by the company.
I must have been hung by the foot then, Charles. I wonder what the hell I did?
Nawww if it was your foot, you probably kicked a poor defenseless farm critter….
Yes, it is indeed cruel that that company put on many young workers just before the strike and then told them that if they joined the strike they would violate their probationary employment and be terminated.
That would have been illegal of course. And the bully, illegal tactic did not work.
But it is true that many of those young workers hired to break the union effort before the fact will now be cut loose by the company.
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Actually, no.
The Union will use its seniority clause of their contract and start bumping workers from the top down.
If you work in a shop being cut and even if you have ten years in as a worker, but are low man on the totem pole, you will be axed by the Union Seniority clause.
O.K., but it would be fun to discuss things we’ve seen that can’t be explained, and do it free of partisanship.
Here’s mine guys: Once when sitting on a second story porch in Liebenthal, I saw what looked like the glow of a cigarette floating over the graveyard. The pattern of movement was the same as a man walking along smoking, and looked nothing like the pattern made by a firefly, nor was it the right color. This was orange, and sparks came off of it at times. Trouble was, it was floating 20 feet above the graves, and was visible for at least five minutes as the “smoker” leisurely took his stroll.
Well, Chas, I did kick a few of them, so that might be true. But that goddamned milk cow that kicked me right through the stanchion, in her next life, I hope God tied her tail to her leg.
Some day, Regular, God will use the Seniority Clause to ax you.
For all you JibJab lovers…
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin
>What did you SEE?< Monkey.
That is difficult to explain because it was indescribable. What I SAW was the upper part of his body raising off the bed, and the something that looked like “heat waves” continuing upward and away from his now lifeless body. It had no real form, but did appear like it consisted of some kind of energy. That’s the only way I can explain it in worldly terms.
Considering the hundreds of thousands of $$$ Hawker-Beechcraft was losing EACH day to delays in aircraft delivery already behind because management can’t get it’s shit together, coughing up a bit more to their employees could save their asse(t)s.
And there were plenty who crossed the line. Of course there’s one I know who, if he had half a brain, he would’ve saved money in advance and not blown it on toys. I guess the Union won’t be saving his ass the next time he spouts off to management. heh heh
outlander,
The mind is a powerful thing.
Ever notice how people who think they’re sick actually become sick? The same holds true for believing in wellness. I’m not saying it isn’t God, but even those who have no faith have seen miracles.
a miracle????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQLq2VmZcA
Like I said before, layoffs are of very little concern to corporate, or even mgmt.
Just another tool in doing business.
Yeah Regular, I think her name was Eileen.
And she worked at I-Hop.
With regard to the time table agreement to pull troops out of Iraq, our morning newspaper sates, “Other issues posed thorny sticking points, such as an Iraqi demand that U.S. military personnel be subject to Iraqi courts and justice. A reasonable compromise was worked out that submits serious criminal cases to a joint U.S. – Iraqi review pane. Private contractors would be subject to Iraqi law.”
What do you think this means for Blackwater mercenaries?
JR’s old girlfriend is lookin for him:
I got a gal with just one eye
No depth of field but sweet as pie
And I just don’t careo
If her vision is in stereo
To me she’ll always be the tops
My sweet little cyclops
She’s the one-eye, one-eye, one-eye, one-eye
She’s the one-eye, one I love
Now you might wonder what she’s thinkin’
‘Cause it looks like she is winkin’
In arguments I yell and cry
But she just can’t see the other side
It’s worse than it looks, says her mother
‘Cause she’s blind in one, blond in the other
She’s the one-eye, one-eye, one-eye, one-eye
She’s the one-eye, one I love
Now how it happened, she just won’t spill
Was it scissor sprint or William Tell?
Well the eye got put out and was never found
Gone to take a look around
My Columbo cutie, Popeye punkin’
Sammy Junior, Sandy Duncan
She’s the one-eye, one-eye, one-eye, one-eye
She’s the one-eye, one I love
http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=12982
Uninsured pay 30 bil. out of pocket.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080825/ts_nm/insurance_health_dc_2
From Phantom’s link.
On average, an uninsured American pays $583 out of pocket toward average annual medical costs of $1,686 per person, Hadley’s team reported in the journal Health Affairs. The annual medical costs of Americans with private insurance average far more — $3,915, with $681, or 17 percent, paid out of pocket, the report found.
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Interesting. Folks with insurance pay more out of pocket than uninsured folks for medical costs.
Not saying they get as good care. Still…
Multi-nic’d Regular posted,
“Why do you think the Alarmists changed the moniker to Climate Change?
I’ll tell you why, is because the bill of goods about Global Warming they were trying to sell, turned out to be false.”
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AGW deniers seem to be too dumb to understand that:
1) Global warming causes “climate change”.
2) Short-term temperature variations caused by ENSO and other natural factors do not refute the AGW theory.
Could we possibly dare to dream that values boy might take one of these and go into the jesus business full time?
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/505922.html
Heheheheheh. And I wonder if ethanol shill griekspoor got one of these, or if she quit too soon to cash in?
Well I don’t know what they pay ValuesBoy for that weekly column but it’s too much and seems a no-brainer way to cut costs! Weren’t we told recently he had taken another job but would continue to contribute (or some such flowery words)?
I hadnt heard that Linda. Heeeeee. Maybe he missed the buyout too! And you know the Wichita Taliban would have a FIT if he didnt get his weekly screed published.
But he is good for a laugh now and then. When he isnt just sad. Or, as Tracy would say, “pitiful. Just pitiful”.
Speaking of Tracy, he was, of course, one of my first thoughts when Biden was announced so I shot him off an email. Here is part of his response:
Hey Ms. Inks.
Yeah, I’m thrilled!!!
I’m tellin’ ya’, this guy is one sharp guy.
He’s also one tough nut.
I wouldn’t worry too much about him as # 2. He’s already more powerful than a VP, with the committees that he Chairs.
Do you think BillO the clown will invite him onto fox news? I hope so.
I think Joe is the perfect guy to keep the Limbaughs of the world where they belong….on the lunatic fringe!
I kinda hope McSame picks ‘Droopy Dog’ Lieberman.
That would be the most boring ticket I’ve seen in my lifetime.
Thanks for thinking of me.
You can bet I’ll vote Biden, er, um…….Obama now!
Clinton urges supporters to rally around Obama
“We are after all Democrats, so it may take awhile,” the senator told a chanting, sign-waving crowd of delegates from her home state of New York. “We’re not the fall-in-line party. We are diverse. But make no mistake, we are unified.”
“I just want to make it absolutely clear — we cannot afford four more years of President Bush’s failed policies,” she said. “I am looking forward to being at the White House when President Obama signs quality, affordable health care for every American.”
Clinton mocked a Republican advertisement using some of her criticisms of Obama during the nominating duel.
“I am Hillary Clinton and I do not approve that message,” she said, earning a standing ovation from a New York crowd waving blue signs saying “Hillary Made History.”
Clinton said the Democrats were like a family and the convention was a family reunion.
“We are united and we are together and we are determined,” she said. “We’re going to make sure that we win on November 4. So let’s have a great convention.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2536152420080825?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true
Treating Iraqi Children For PTSD
Children who suffer from PTSD, Maliki says, can abuse drugs or alcohol, stop studying or become violent themselves. He estimates that at least 15 percent of Iraqi children display some symptoms of the condition.
It’s not only the families who have had trouble recognizing the problem: Iraq’s notoriously inept and corrupt Ministry of Health has provided little help up until now, Maliki says.
He is the only child psychiatrist in the entire country who works at a government hospital. The conditions here — the premiere pediatric care facility in Iraq — are dire. As he talks, sewage from a leaking toilet spreads across the room. No one bothers to come and clean it up.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93937972
Cosmos: 1) Global warming causes “climate change”.
..
Wow!
So it can get hotter, and man is causing it.
It can get colder, and man is causing that too.
Amazing.
Cosmos is back!
Son!
Does the school librarian know you’re on the internet?
Apophis, hold out your hand.
From Max – A*s, this is the hand of Apophis.
Apophis, this is your A*s.
Apophis, your A*s has now been handed to you.
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(Note: This is just K-12, not including College)
Table 8: Type of Weapon/Force Used in Crime in Schools, by Year
The Year 2004
Weapon Type/Force Used
Personal Weapons… 25,050
None… 4,176
Other… 2,842
Knife/Cutting Instrument… 2,852
Handgun… 497
Blunt Object… 469
Firearm (type not stated)… 146
Other Firearm…154
Explosives… 95
Motor Vehicle… 71
Fire/Incendiary Device… 88
Rifle… 37
Shotgun… 24
Drugs/Narcotics/Sleeping Pills… 6
Poison… 16
Asphyxiation… 2
Unknown… 1,098
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/schoolviolence/2007/schoolviolence.pdf
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Again, this is just K-12 for one year – 2004.
Apophis, here is your A*s again.
Please keep it this time. Nobody else wants it.
Table 10: Arrestees of Crime in Schools, by Offense, by Year
The Year 2004
Crimes Against Persons:
Simple Assault… 14,220
Intimidation … 1,776
Aggravated Assault…1,531
Forcible Fondling…446
Kidnapping/Abduction…107
Forcible Rape…60
Sexual Assault With An Object…36
Forcible Sodomy…22 (The favorite of Apophis!)
Statutory Rape…30
Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter…5
Incest…5
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/schoolviolence/2007/schoolviolence.pdf
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Tables A & B are also very interesting.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/schoolviolence/2007/schoolviolence.pdf
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Apophis
Posted August 23, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
It is totally inappropriate, under any circumstance, for education professionals to “pack heat” in a school.
Samkan whines:
“Creationist are not anti-science.. we just do not limit our realm of possibilities to natural causes. One thing for sure, if God did create all things, you will never find the “truth” in natural science. Natural science will eventually explain many things, but origins is not one of them.
You are a smart guy Maggot, when will you realize that your crusade to prove that God does not exist is hopeless. It must be extremely time consuming and frustrating.”
Giving the creationist hours to provide support for his claim I was not surprised to see another pathetic response. As usual the creationist can not provide support for his claim.
Samkan does declare that he has superpowers to detect the supernatural (that which is beyond nature). Is it ego or arrogance, or perhaps simple insanity that permits Samkan to declare himself to be godlike, or have some wisdom beyond the rest of us? Despite having these paranormal abilities he still can’t provide scientific evidence for his claim but must hold him in awe that he is some mystical shaman.
Yet another day and another failure by the hands of an anti-scientific creationist. Looks like the public still needs a daily reminder of what real science is.
Don’t get sucked into Max’s culture of violence
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_n9_v28/ai_19192464/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
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The American South is more violent than any other region of the country, a distinction that has intrigued commentators on the South for at least three decades. The issue is not with the observation itself (no one disputes that there is more violence in the South than elsewhere) but with the interpretation: Is the pattern a product of certain violence-engendering conditions that just happen to be concentrated in the South (for example, more poverty, more heat, more guns, worse race relations)? Or is there something intrinsic to Southern culture, society, or history that predisposes Southerners to violent acts? And if the latter, just what is it that makes the South distinctive?
Culture of Honor makes a compelling case that there is something about Southernness itself that accounts for the link between region and violence. The case begins with a review and reanalysis of the extensive research on region and homicide. University of Michigan psychologist Richard E. Nisbett and University of Illinois psychologist Dov Cohen find many common explanations for the South’s higher homicide rate wanting. The legacy of slavery is probably an inadequate explanation because the non-slave regions of the South show the highest homicide rates; temperature fails as an explanation because the cooler upland regions have higher homicide rates. Relative poverty rates cannot be ruled out as a causal factor, but the regional effect remains even when poverty is taken into account.
Two other results point to a fundamental cultural factor. The regional effect does not seem to operate in big cities (big-city homicide rates are about the same in the South as elsewhere); it appears only in small cities and towns (Southern small towns are a lot more violent than small towns in other regions). Also, there is little or no regional difference in black homicide rates, only in the white rates. So the Southern distinctiveness in homicide and violence is concentrated among small-town whites, strongly suggesting the impact of regional culture.
Southerners and Northerners have different attitudes about violence – not across the board (as might be expected) but in certain specific areas, all of which seem linked to notions of honor and respect. Southerners, for example, are more likely to agree that violence is acceptable in defense of home and family and as a mechanism of social control, and they are especially likely to endorse violence as a response to insults and affronts, most of all when they involve women. This pattern suggests a culture in which honor threatened is honor lost and no response to the possible loss of honor is too extreme. Nisbett and Cohen note the evident similarities between this Southern code and the new culture of violence in the inner cities, where “dissing” often leads to death.
The authors have also conducted an ingenious and intriguing series of social-psychological experiments to show that Southerners respond to threats and insults in different ways than Northerners do. This is some of the best evidence ever assembled on the violent proclivities of Southerners and a formidable challenge to the many scholars (oddly enough, most of them Yankees) who have pooh-poohed the “regional subculture of violence” thesis. In one series of experiments, subjects were affronted and insulted (for example, an associate of the experimenter would “accidentally” bump into the subject while walking down the hall and mutter “asshole”), then tested for cortisol and test-osterone levels as well as assessed with paper-and-pencil tests. Sure enough, Southern males in these experiments showed significantly stronger physiological and attitudinal responses than Northern males. In another study, observers stationed in the hall (pretending to do homework but actually observing closely) noted whether the subjects’ reactions to the insult were amusement or anger. Southern subjects were significantly less amused and marginally more angry than Northern subjects.
A possible weakness in the study is that the subjects were students at the University of Michigan, hardly a typical batch of small-town Southern rednecks. To people in the South, “going North” to college usually means Vanderbilt or Duke, or possibly Virginia, so Southern males who end up at a place like the University of Michigan are highly self-selected. At the same time, a “typical batch of rednecks” would almost certainly react even more strongly to these experimental conditions.
Maggotpunk,
Really? What “real” science is?
Like believing that life just mystically began in a puddle of goo?
That kind of “real” science?
Or perhaps that life came out of Crystals? Aliens?
Tell us all about your “real” science.
There are many different fields of study in “science.”
Hardly any of them require you to reject a belief in God or Creation.
There are many good Christians in all kinds of scientific fields of study, who are doctors, chemists, etc… who believe in both God and Creation.
The idea or notion that someone is “anti-science” simply because they believe in God or Creation is absurd.
It is simply an ad hominem attack. One made by someone who is either to scared to have a real discussion or too incapable.
Nathan, I’ve been posting real scientific articles about real scientific studies done by real scientists for a few weeks now (last week being an exception). All you anti-science folks have done is whine and make claims you can’t support. Never once, in any of those posts, have I mentioned your god or any of the other fictional gods you guys pretend exist. But for some reason you feel your religion is threatened by the scientific facts I’ve presented.
Funny that you should think any scientific knowledge is a threat to your beliefs. That’s kinda why your types burned people at the stake for daring to think.
It appears that you, along with Samkan and Hank, can do nothing but whine. It must suck to remain so ignorant that you can’t deal with the facts but must resort to pathetic emotional appeals and insults. Too bad you didn’t pay attention in school and educated yourself, then perhaps you would live in a world where you are frightened by knowledge.
I offer up the following not to promote or deny GW…just to respond to Regular’s comment about temperature change. The following paragraphs comes from Wikipedia’s article on John Christy who has some misgivings about human contribution to GW…but there doesn’t seem to be any doubt from his award-winning satellite temperature analysis: GW is running about +.134C (+.241F) per decade….even the skeptical scientists accept that fact. It may not be from humans, but it is more than +.100
“In an interview with National Public Radio about the new AGU statement, he said: It is scientifically inconceivable that after changing forests into cities, turning millions of acres into irrigated farmland, putting massive quantities of soot and dust into the air, and putting extra greenhouse gases into the air, that the natural course of climate has not changed in some way.
More recently, in a publication in the series Washington Roundtable on Science and Public Policy he said:[Washington Roundtable on Science and Public Policy: Satellite Temperatures by John Christy & Roy Spencer" (PDF). George C. Marshall Institute (April 17, 2006). Retrieved on 2007-04-04. ]
‘I showed some evidence that humans are causing warming in the surface measurements that we have but it is not the greenhouse relation.’
Christy has also said that while he supports the AGU declaration, and is convinced that human activities are a cause of the global warming that has been measured, he is ’still a strong critic of scientists who make catastrophic predictions of huge increases in global temperatures and tremendous rises in sea levels.’[Perlman, David (December 18, 2003). "Earth warming at faster pace, say top science group's leaders", San Francisco Chronicle, pp. A-6. Retrieved on 2007-04-04.]
Comparison of ground based (blue) and satellite based (red: UAH; green: RSS) records of temperature variations since 1979. Trends plotted since January 1982.The climate trend shown by the UAH satellite data has changed through time, due to corrections in the processing and as the climate has varied. During the first several years of data collection the global trend was downward. That has since changed and the most recent long-term average global climate trend seen in the satellite data is +0.134 C (about 0.241° Fahrenheit) per decade.
ABC’s 20/20 broadcast “Babyland” on Friday failed to stress that the high abortion rate in the Memphis black community, targeted by abortion mills, is a major factor is driving up the appalling premature birth rate, miscarriages, and infant mortality amongst the physically and emotionally scarred mothers who have been victimized by abortionist quacks.
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The number of abortions has increased 17% in Sweden from 2000 to 2007 despite sales of the morning after abortifacient, with over-the-counter access since 2001, increasing during the same time period. The data provides more evidence abortion advocates are misleading the public in saying the Plan B abortifacient helps reduce abortions.
[It does not; it causes an increase in venereal infections by causing increased promiscuity, as shown in Scotland, where abortions have increased for the third year in a row after heavy promotion of the Plan B abortifacient, which is less than 72% effective.]
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“I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition.”
. . . pro-abortion U.S. House Speaker Pelosi, lying through her teeth, claiming that the beginning of human life cannot be defined by science, theologians, or anyone in a Congressional pay grade, therefore justifying the legalized, profitable slaughter of 50 million American living, human babies, almost entirely for the sake of convenience
[Science and the Catholic Church both define conception as the beginning of each human life.]
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The London Daily Telegraph is now reporting that Obamanation’s acknowledged father-figure mentor during 9 of Obamanation’s skirt-chasing, boozing, drug-using, formative years in Hawaii, Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist, journalist, poet, pothead, and Communist Party ringleader, now dead, was also a perverted sodomite who, while married, engaged in group sex and several rapes of a 13-year-old girl, and various other perversions.
This is another of Obamanation’s exposed close associations over the years with dishonorable and criminal people, like his conspiracy with Planned Parenthood to keep live-birth abortions legal to further the reduction in the black population through a 3-times-higher abortion rate.
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Obamanation supporters are now disparaging the Uncle Tom vote.
Well there goes mccain’s 100 yr. of influence!
“Last week, U.S. and Iraqi officials said the two sides agreed tentatively to a schedule that includes a broad pullout of combat troops by the end of 2011 with the possibility that a residual U.S. force might stay behind to continue training and advising Iraqi security services.
But al-Maliki’s remarks indicated his government was not satisfied with that arrangement and wants all foreign troops gone by the end of 2011.
Maggotpunk,
Lets break down your little rant, so that I can explain to you all the little logical fallacies you make:
“All you anti-science folks have done is whine and make claims you can’t support.”
That is not “all” we have done. Actually, I have seen very little “whining” done at all. What claims, other than the mere existence of God, have we not offered support for?
“Never once, in any of those posts, have I mentioned your god or any of the other fictional gods you guys pretend exist.”
Maybe not recently, or that I have noticed. I have not been paying much attention lately. You have in the past.
“But for some reason you feel your religion is threatened by the scientific facts I’ve presented.”
No, not at all. Where have I or anyone else shown that we were “threatened” by anything you have posted? Seems like you are simply making a false assessment of our feelings where none exists.
“Funny that you should think any scientific knowledge is a threat to your beliefs.”
I don’t. I have not seen anyone here say anything that would support such a conclustion either.
“That’s kinda why your types burned people at the stake for daring to think.”
“My types” never burned anyone at the stake.
“It appears that you, along with Samkan and Hank, can do nothing but whine.”
Really, if what we do is considered whining then what the hell do you call what you are doing?
“It must suck to remain so ignorant that you can’t deal with the facts but must resort to pathetic emotional appeals and insults.”
So far, you are the only one to resort to insults over and over and over again while making false comparisons and claims. Even in the very sentence where you try to point this out, you call me ignorant. Hypocrite.
“Too bad you didn’t pay attention in school and educated yourself, then perhaps you would live in a world where you are frightened by knowledge.”
And now, you finish off your little whining rant with another insult.
“Whatever the world, Pakistan included, has done in the last 10 years to fight terrorism, the presidential hopeful said, “it’s not working.”
Nathan, I post a scientific article supporting the irrefutable fact of evolution, creationists respond by whining (like you are doing now). They get all defensive about how I’m attacking their gods although I’ve never mentioned their gods (it’s a response from feeling threatened, like you are now). They make claims that the evidence points to some role their imaginary deity played. I ask for that evidence since there was nothing in the article alluding to that claim. Their response is either silence, excuses, dodges or whining, like you are doing now.
You could easily settle the matter by presenting this scientific evidence the creationists claim to have. Why are you creationists so insistent on hiding this revolutionary scientific evidence? What are you afraid of?
Maggotpunk,
The irrefutable fact of evolution? Doesn’t that very statement go against the very nature of science?
Science is about constantly studying, testing, and questioning things.
The moment you declare Evolution to be an “irrefutable fact” what is the point?
All you ever do, is attack the motivations and mischaracterize those you disagree with.
I have yet to see you ever offer up a real discussion without those things.
And I have yet to see you post anything which supports evolution as true let alone as an “irrefutable fact.”
Nathan,
I see another case of dodging. As usual the creationists fail. Funny how I have no problem presenting scientific evidence for the irrefutable fact of evolution. Too bad you guys are out classed.
Maggie. For some reason, you have this misconception that science always equals truth. Scientists are, lets face it, primarily atheists or agnostics, and will interpret the evidence as their world view would dictate. That world view limits them to only naturalistic explanations.
They will give us their OPINION under the heading of “science”. And because you and folks like you have faith in “science” you will believe it, no matter how far fetched.
But others, who believe that a Designer exists, will look at the same evidence and reach a completely different conclusion. They are not limited to naturalistic explanations. Are they wrong? Well, you certainly can’t prove it, anymore than you can prove that science is always right. All you have are scientist’s opinions, based on their best explanation that doesn’t involve God.
Try to remember that we aren’t discussing public school science class here. You don’t have your favorite dismissive mantras.
Which ones? How about, “it isn’t science”, or “it doesn’t belong in a science classroom”? Nope, in blog world you gotta justify your positions yourself on a level playing field. Do you have the mental horsepower to do so?
I doubt it.
Outlander,
Looks like a case of whining. This god character, any evidence for it? Nope, I’m sure you reality denialists would have presented something by now. All I hear is whining. Perhaps you could bottle it and sell millions with little blocks of cheese.
Lubbock, TX police are investigating a vehicle that crashed into the Aaron Women’s Clinic abortion mill early Saturday, causing $50,000 damage. The driver fled on foot. The vehicle may be stolen.
Science makes no claims that deities exist or do not exist, since the concept is not testable.
One of your friends Parkay?
DavidB,
The creationists have made claims that their god is testable. They claim to have some sort of observational knowledge or else they couldn’t make such claims. However they refuse to mention it and have to keep it a secret for some reason.
Maggotpunk,
Where have I or anyone else claimed that God is testable, in any kind of scientific way?
Again, with your strawman arguments.
My mistake Nathan, I thought you said God was real. Your pappy said he created lizards, and Samkan said he created chromosomes. You can’t make such conclusions without observation, therefore he’s testable. Or are you admitting you are lying?
Maggotpunk,
Evolutionary theory spreads across many different fields and is not one thing or one claim.
How can you say it is “irrefutable fact?”
Which part of Evolutionary theory is irrefutable fact here:
Punctuated Equilibirum or Phyletic gradualism?
Maggotpunk,
God is real. I never said I could prove it to you though. I don’t think anyone else has either.
Dodging again Nathan? Since you don’t understand anything about natural selection I’ll have to point out that gradual and punctuated equilibirum are both correct. Thanks for taking the time to look something up in wikipedia and proving you don’t know what you are talking about.
I’ll give you two more tries to post the observational evidence you claim to have about creationism.
Nathan, if you make the conclusion that this god you speak of is real then you must have evidence for it. Or I might as well claim unicorns are real and have the same support for my claim. Actually, that’s not a good comparison because a genetic mutation can cause deer to grow a single horn, but that’s scientific evidence which you have no interest in.
Maggotpunk,
The point is that the idea of evolution keeps changing. If it is “irrefutable fact” then why would they keep trying to study and understand how it works and why are they constantly mergingh
The real point is that claiming that Evolutionary Theory is “irrefutable fact” is absurd.
That’s one attempt Nathan, you have one left.
LOL.. Punctuated Equilibirum can be over a period of millions of years – a big long punctuation indeed.
The FACT of evolution is not diminished by modifying the fine points as new evidence comes to light.
It’s like we know the truck runs, we just are not sure if it is diesel engine or a gas engine or electric…
If you evolution doubters have not read a few books by the late, the great Stephen Jay Gould, like “The Panda’s Thumb” ( http://www.amazon.com/Pandas-Thumb-Reflections-Natural-History/dp/0393308197 ) you are missing out on some wonderful reading and science writing…
For more, see:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_panda’s-thumb.html
Maggotpunk,
Why don’t you hold Evolution to the same standards you try to hold us to?
Where is the “observation” of how life began?
Where is the “observation” of that life “evolving” into soemthing different?
Where is the “observation” of all this change over time? (I am talking about real change here, not “natural selection”)
Oops, that’s two attempts Nathan. Looks like you failed again. But you are right, I don’t hold you to the same standards. You see, I just ask for one piece of scientific evidence from the creationists while I present numerous pieces of scientific evidence from the real scientists that can actually support evolution.
You have it easy but the task of presenting one piece of evidence that you must have to base your conclusions on is too much for you to handle. Maybe you can find someone more intelligent or more educated to deal with issues that are clearly above you.
Isn’t this a really really old debate? God versus science? Darwins Theory and the Big Bang versus Genesis?
Have the good people here moved the tired old arguments any further?
Wake me up when it’s over.
Maggot…
I never have and never will whine about the likes of you. You do not threaten me nor impress me in the least. You are welcome to your opinions, but your juvenile responses do not merit any serious dialog. And yes, I have had personal experiences that I wouldn’t expect you to understand. The truth is.. they are real, no matter how much you rant and carry on.
Okay Samkan, how about I give you two attempts to present the scientific evidence for creationism which you claim to have. Nathan failed, let’s see if you can do better.
Joseph Biden
An agent of change?
He has been entrenched in Wash DC for longer than McCain.
I love Obama’s introduction of Biden as the next president of the USA!
And Biden’s introduction of Obama as “Obama America”!
Ah yes, the Bob the Builders are back at it again with “Yes we can”!
Platypus.
Maggie, are really you are so dense? You posted an article earlier. samkan commented on it. I tried to explain the effect of world view to you.
Same evidence. Different interpretation.
Throwing Hope and Change Under the Bus
Obama’s choice of Washington insider Joe Biden is only one sign that the Messiah of Hope and Change is really just a Politician with Slogans. One of the more revealing statements by a senior Obama adviser reveals how Barry has grown “impatient” with his campaign staff who actually care about his, apparently temporary, boring, sloganny rhetoric meant to simply fool the bitter and clingy.
The candidate of change went with the status quo:
A senior Obama adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his boss has expressed impatience with what he calls a “reverence” inside his campaign for his message of change and new politics. In other words, Obama is willing — even eager — to risk what got him this far if it gets him to the White House.
Prior to the Obama-Biden statement in Springfield today, Major Garrett noted that it appears Obama is willing to “sacrifice” his original message about change. That’s generous. I would suggest it’s not a sacrifice at all—but a simple revealing of the Real Barack Obama and one more sign that The One is like All the Others.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/23/throwing-hope-and-change-under-the-bus/
Outlander whines,
“Same evidence. Different interpretation.”
A conclusion can only be based on the facts. There was no study on a god creating the chromosomes so no such conclusion can be derived. You might as well say leprechauns did it as it means as much as the pointless drivel creationists like to cram in.
So if you, Samkan, or any other creationist can point out which information in the article led to such a conclusion then I’d love to hear it. All I’ve been getting is whining, excuses, lies, and dodges. How about if creationists don’t have anything intelligent to say then don’t say anything at all? It would spare you guys additional embarrassment.
I am having to agree with samkan, Maggie. You are not a rational person with whom to have a discussion with. So I’m through too. You have proven only your own lack of objective thinking ability.
Asking for evidence of your claims is not being rational? I suppose in creationist fantasy land asking questions and demanding evidence is an unpardonable crime. Thanks, I’ll stick with reality and real rational thought, which continues to evade the dishonest creationists (which is redundant).
Nothing upsets creationists more than asking them to support their claims. Perhaps because they know their viewpoint holds no water but they just aren’t honest enough to admit it.
Creationsist fantasy land.
Sounds like a good name for a Christian theme park to me!
So is it a fantasy for you as well to believe that life just formed from some puddle of goo?
Oh yes, that is right. Evolution doesn’t claim to know about how life began, it just assumes it did.
Ok. I don’t claim to know about how God came to be nor do I have proof of God. I just assume he is. Just like Evolution!
Maggotpunk,
You see, I don’t have to prove God to you, I simply assume him to be part of the equation.
Isn’t that how “science” works with Evolution?
Maggot..
There is no scientific evidence for Creationism… I never said there was. I believe in Creation through faith.
“Nathaniel
“…to believe that life just formed from some puddle of goo?”
Again with the “puddle of goo,” boy?
How is that any more absurd than:
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul?”
Dust is good? Goo is bad?
Give us the theological distinction, boy. I’ll look elsewhere for the the scientific theories.
I tell you we MUST stay vigilant! There is still time for bushco to mess up even more! It seems they couldn’t do more harm, but they want to and we must keep them from being able to follow through on their evil desires!
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Cheney To Visit Georgia Next Week
The trip will put the Bush administration’s most prominent hawk in a war zone still occupied by lingering Russian troops, and is likely to irritate leaders in Moscow, who have condemned the United States for siding with Georgia in the conflict.
It will also underscore the extent of disagreement within the Bush administration over how forcefully to confront Moscow. Cheney and his aides unsuccessfully argued in favor of increasing military aid to the fledgling Georgian democracy, according to officials familiar with the debate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/25/AR2008082502142.html
Nathan and Samkan are being honest. They admit there is nothing to support their creationism delusion. They just reject reality and substitute a fairy tale much like a child plays ‘pretend’. I’m just impressed that schizophrenic people can function just fine in today’s society the way they do.
Cattle shown to align north-south
Have you ever noticed that herds of grazing animals all face the same way?
Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align their bodies in a north-south direction.
Wild deer also display this behaviour – a phenomenon that has apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years.
The Earth can be viewed as a huge magnet, with magnetic north and south situated close to the geographical poles.
Many species – including birds and salmon – are known to use the Earth’s magnetic fields in migration, rather like a natural GPS.
A few studies have shown that some mammals – including bats – also use a “magnetic compass” to help their sense of direction.
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Cattle shown to align north-south
By Elizabeth Mitchell
Science reporter, BBC News
Cattle (J Cerveny)
Cattle partake in some directional grazing
Have you ever noticed that herds of grazing animals all face the same way?
Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align their bodies in a north-south direction.
Wild deer also display this behaviour – a phenomenon that has apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years.
In the Proceedings for the National Academy of Sciences, scientists say the Earth’s magnetic fields may influence the behaviour of these animals.
The Earth can be viewed as a huge magnet, with magnetic north and south situated close to the geographical poles.
Many species – including birds and salmon – are known to use the Earth’s magnetic fields in migration, rather like a natural GPS.
A few studies have shown that some mammals – including bats – also use a “magnetic compass” to help their sense of direction.
Dr Sabine Begall, from the University of Duisburg-Essen, Germany, has mainly studied the magnetic sense of mole rats – African animals that live in underground tunnels.
“We were wondering if larger animals also have this magnetic sense,” she told BBC News.
Deer (J Cerveny)
This sense may be quite widespread in the animal kingdom
Dr Begall and colleagues first decided to study the natural behaviour of domestic cattle.
The researchers surveyed Google Earth images of 8,510 grazing and resting cattle in 308 pasture plains across the globe.
“Sometimes it took hours and hours to find some pictures with good resolution,” said Dr Begall.
The scientists were unable to distinguish between the head and rear of the cattle, but could tell that the animals tended to face either north or south.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm
Sorry about that! WOW! I copied waaaaay more than I thought. Guess that’s what the “comment preview” is for. Again, sorry!
MaxGrobnik posted August 25, 2008 at 2:06 pm
“Cosmos: 1) Global warming causes “climate change”.
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Wow!
So it can get hotter, and man is causing it.
It can get colder, and man is causing that too.
Amazing.”
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Thank you MaxGrobnik, for yet again proving that you AGW deniers are very, very dumb.
Anthropogenic GHG’s are causing Earth to become warmer.
That warming is causing “climate change”.
May have to do with sun coming up in the east and setting in the west, don’t you think. The cattle probably don’t like to face into the sun any more than people do. I wonder if anyone has correlated the data with time of day. It would be interesting to know in which direction people sleep. Feet north, feet east, etc?
Sometimes I run across a news article that just seems so senseless I can’t help but share. What do you suppose figuring the why’s etc. behind the way cattle face will do for us? Maybe you’re right, beber, and we’ll learn humanity should be sleeping with their feet hanging off the mattress and toes pointed south…
McCain is sending Lieberman and Graham to Georgia ?
Who made him the State Department —
He is not a maverick, he is a dangerous man who believes the presidency is his entitlement — the Repubs need to reign him in — find another candidate he is slowly becoming a bigger embarrasment than our C student president — his record is worse than having no record at all —
It’s certainly laughable (but hardly surprising) that the HBC machinists gave up four weeks of pay for the pittance of concession they got from the company.
Someone at local lodge 733 might want to consider a BCCC quickie course in economics.
He is KansasGolfnut and his mommy and daddy paid for his message.
MonkeyHawk,
You basically agreed with me and the sad part is that you don’t even realize it.
I am not saying that creation or God is less absurd than the “puddle of goo” at all. I am saying that believing in the “puddle of goo” is also not any less absurd than what I believe.
Nice try though.
Maggotpunk,
So what makes your “fairy tale” of a puddle of goo magically creating life any more believable?
Where is your proof?
You are right, I am honest. Just waiting for you to be as well.
Whether its a puddle of goo, or dust from the ground, it seems that “Man” comes from the chemical make-up of the EARTH… Which I think is scientifically significant…
Good night; Good luck; God Bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!!
So mote it be!!
Interesting Organization….
http://www.mufon.com/
Maggot,
It must be really sad for you to know for a fact that there are billions more of us “delusional” people in the world than there are folks like you, that think you are somehow more intelligent than we are. How does it feel going to schizophrenic doctors with schizophrenic nurses? Do you have a schizophrenic banker, schizophrenic lawyer.. how about a schizophrenic accountant? Uh oh.. you better be careful, It’s likely the tax man, the firefighters and the police are schizophrenic too. You must live in a scary world there Doug.
Cosmos – Thank you MaxGrobnik, for yet again proving that you AGW deniers are very, very dumb.
Anthropogenic GHG’s are causing Earth to become warmer.
That warming is causing “climate change”.
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I know, it’s Global Warming that is causing Global Cooling.
I get it.
Whatever happens, you think you have a nice lil argument to get more Government money and more Government control for your cause. Advanced Extortion, and you’ve bought into the game hook, line, and sinker, or you’re just one of the best actors ever who hasn’t one an Oscar.
“What do you suppose figuring the why’s etc. behind the way cattle face will do for us?” — Ms Inks.
Well, for one thing, it was fun. I suppose is we could all find our inner cow, we wouldn’t be lost so much.