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As mentioned on the tail end of yesterday’s “OPEN THREAD,” it was interesting to see a lot of our WE Bloggers at the Thomas Frank book signing last night. How many were there … perhaps ten, did anybody count? Perhaps somebody will provide a list of the NICS. Have a good day.
This year so far coolest for at least 5 years: WMO
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080820/twl-environment-climate-2008-dc-1202b49.html
LONDON (Reuters) – The first half of 2008 was the coolest for at least five years, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) said on Wednesday.
Don’t worry, for all of you still clinging to AGW the article continues to say:
“Global temperatures vary annually according to natural cycles. For example, they are driven by shifting ocean currents, and dips do not undermine the case that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are causing long-term global warming, climate scientists say.”
Ah yes… who is in denial now?
Yes nathan, and we’re unseasonably cool right now. So what does that have to do with the overall picture?
Did you two meld into one?
This is what happens when someone writes a level-headed criticism of the right wing hate that had assisted in the UU church shooting. She gets attacked, stalked, asking her right to free speech be denied- big time.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/95810/
So are we seriously going to have to start limiting freedom of speech to ban hate speech like some other countries do? I don’t want that, seriously I don’t. But one should not fear for their life for what they say. And the response to her OpEd was far over the top.
Latest analysis: Global temperature has not increased significantly since 1979!?
Much ado has been made about global warming stopping since 2001, since 1998 or not increasing in the last decade. Here is more grist to the skeptic mill. The analysis below shows the global temperature has not increased significantly since 1979!
Data are from the TLT Sellite measurements of the Earth’s lower troposphere at RSS MSU. When you calculate the global surface temperatures from July to July 1979-2008, the earth has warmed the grand amount of 0.295 degrees C. The standard deviation of temperature changes from each July to July is 0.2522C, putting the change over 30 years at just over a non-significant one standard deviation (actually p=0.13, significant if p<0.05) of the expected change in just one year. Stated another way, temperatures would be expected to change by a similar amount to the increase in the last 30 years, every one out of eight years.
You have to wonder what all the fuss us about. The effect of 30 years of global warming is no greater than the expected change in a single year. The data support low estimates of CO2 doubling as the Spencer climate sensitivity.
The frequency of July-July annual differences with a normal curve is plotted above using R language for the statistics. The temperature difference from July 1979 to July 2008 is marked as a big red dot.
Here is another view of July temperatures over the last 30 years, with the levels of the start and end points marked by red dashed lines.
Source
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/2037/218/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL18BoA7GsU
Great Presentation by Thomas Frank, now back to our regularly scheduled reprograming
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/24/AR2007012401807.html?referrer=email
FEDERAL WAY, Wash., Jan. 24 — Frosty E. Hardison
Hardison, a parent of seven here in the southern suburbs of Seattle, has himself roiled the global-warming waters. It happened early this month when he learned that one of his daughters would be watching “An Inconvenient Truth” in her seventh-grade science class.
“No you will not teach or show that propagandist Al Gore video to my child, blaming our nation — the greatest nation ever to exist on this planet — for global warming,” Hardison wrote in an e-mail to the Federal Way School Board. The 43-year-old computer consultant is an evangelical Christian who says he believes that a warming planet is “one of the signs” of Jesus Christ’s imminent return for Judgment Day.
The e-mail also pressured the school board to impose a ban on screenings of the film for the district’s 22,500 students.
The ban, which the school board says was merely a “moratorium,” was lifted Tuesday night, subject to rigorous conditions. Still, the action has appalled the film’s producers and triggered a ferocious national backlash.
Members of the school board say they have been bombarded by thousands of e-mails and phone calls, many of them hurtful and obscene, accusing them of scientific ignorance, pandering to religion and imposing prior restraint on free speech.
That WAS a great presentation by Thomas Frank there anniemoose.
And it was great to be in a room full of people who could speak in words with more than one or two syllables.
Several of us are sorry we missed you anniemoose.
We found out quite by accident that meetups not only don’t need cons, they are a helluva lot more fun without them!
yeah we should listen to a guy who says that global warming *he doesn’t deny it* is God’s sign of the endtimes.
And you fundy freaks wonder why we can’t take you seriously? Lying at every turn, you sound as loony as the heaven’s gate people.
Perhaps they’re figuring it out now that they’ve been so badly discredited:
“It found that for the first time in polling history, more mainline Protestants identify with the Democratic Party than the Republican Party. ”
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/blog/2008/06/new-study-changing-political-p.html
*50% of self-described “conservatives” think churches should stay out of politics (up from 30%)
*46% of those polled (up from 40%) report being uncomfortable when politicians discuss how religious they are
http://blog.beliefnet.com/lynnvsekulow/2008/08/new-poll-commingling-politics.html
And I, bj, prefer to stay away from pretentious know it alls who bask in the light of their own imaginary superiority.
Ya coulda just said “Harumph” there Raptor.
That’s funny, Raptor! One of the areas Thomas Franks discussed was the disdain shown to intellectuals by those who can’t hope to compete.
JR,
email me at anniemoose00@gmail.com
Intellectuals? Oh please. If you are referring to the vulgar juvenile beber, the hyper extremist capn and the off the wall bj as intellectuals then you must be using a totally different definition of the word than the dictionary does.
I prefer profane, Raptor.
People who denigrate my classlessness are no better than race baiters.
blasphemous, impious, irreverent, mundane, sacrilegious, secular, sulfurous, sulphurous, temporal, unconsecrated, unholy, unsanctified
;-)
excellent.
Raptor,
Your right we shouldn’t question anything. We should leave all our thinking to the village elders and the tribal council. What ever happen to the good ole days when we could sacrifice a goat to appease the gods or get rid of one of those nasty virgins to make things right.
I’ll do that a bit later annie and good to be in touch with ya.
Standing room only at the Thomas Frank book signing. He was slated to read from his book but forgot his notes. The off the cuff presentation he did on how conservatives have wrecked America AND conservatism was great. Among the 100 or so people attending?
A few of our favorite friends.
Steven, Farmgrrl, lindainks, CF, CapnAmerica, mrcontroversy, JM Walker and me.
But it was the after book signing that was really fun. No more missed meetings for ya annie. And we gotta get Monkeyhawk, cosmos, bth, political mama, predestined, and so many more in on any future fun.
AP: A threatening letter containing an unidentified white powder was sent to a John McCain campaign office in this south Denver suburb…
I suppose I could follow the example of others on this blog and claim this is an example of how ALL LIBS are criminals and carry on and on for days about it.
Or…I could be realistic and not make gross generalizations about any one political group. Instead just realize there are some nutcases out there, and no one political group is to blame? Or is that type of thinking too mature for this blog?
“Or is that type of thinking too mature for this blog?” — Raptor
More proof that certain people on this blog are blind to irony.
You could also consider that it was someone from your side.
I don’t know who sent it, but lets hope that they get caught.
I won’t make excuses for my side if they did….like the other side does.
“Is that sarcasm or what?” — p.m.
sorry, I’m literally waiting for paint to dry. I have to make sure the second coat matches the first.
that way, I won’t have to re-tape.
Question, Annie? Please show me where I said questioning is a bad thing? The insults and denigration of people based on their political thought is a demonstration of total intolerance, not questioning.
Nowhere did I castigate anyone for questioning or exploring. My objection is to the gratuitous insults and vulgarity used that has no value except to irritate, annoy or inflame.
Hmmm, whom shall I paint with today. Towens Van Zandt, James McMurtry, Warren Zevon, Toby Keith (not), Ray wyle Hubbard, Dan Bern, Mr, Kean, choices choices.
My first thought was about how quickly the FBI closes cases on circumstantial evidence at best. Especially when they don’t want a different outcome.
Is there any news what the suspicious white powder is? Maybe they could show it to Cindy who has some experience in knowing some of those substances.
Raptor, we don’t claim Beber- both the left and the right dislike him equally on this blog. He’s an island.
” Or is that type of thinking too mature for this blog?” Raptor.
A rhetorical gross generalization. You’re such an idiot, Raptor.
Here’s some more. Looks like we could use a bunch today.
Rabelaisian, barbaric, base, bathetic, boorish, coarse, common, crass, crude, dirty, earthy, everyday, filthy, general, gross, ignoble, indecent, inelegant, irreverent, lewd, maudlin, mawkish, meretricious, obscene, offensive, ordinary, ostentatious, philistine, plebeian, popular, pornographic, profane, revolting, ribald, rude, scurrile, scurrilous, smutty, sordid, specious, tasteless, tawdry, uncouth, unrefined, vernacular, vile, yahoo
Dan Bern it’ll be. “I got big balls, balls as big as small dogs”
Ray wyle Hubbard…..Hubbard…. :D
Linda’s a thesaurus today!
“The insults and denigration of people based on their political thought is a demonstration of total intolerance, not questioning.”
Get past it dude,
So your not gonna play cuz johnny called you a bad name. Geez you guys call us politically correct.
thanks for the clarification on that one, pm..glad to know nobody claims him..
Considering the mailed powder and threat. Unlike some, I don’t automatically blame a political ’side’. Compare that to the almost hysterical accusations after the shooting in Arkansas of the Democratic chairman. Instant accusations of “CONS ARE MURDERERS” or things to that affect were rampant.
I prefer to wait for the facts before making up my mind. I don’t believe politics is involved in every single aspect of our lives. For example, an idiot turned left in front of me the other day. I did not immediately blame his politics, just wrote it off to bad driving.
Love it. You know, if you’re gonna break your house arrest for DUI, do it in style:
Driving.
Naked.
While on crack cocaine.
With a hooker.
Yes, who’s also naked.
And crash, for good measure.
http://news.therecord.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/401741
Isn’t life great?
lovely answer to my question there, annie. Where did I say questioning is not good? Your assertion, not mine…
The facts of those two shootings are already available and damning for the right. Sorry, but that’s the truth.
lovely answer to my question there, annie
Did I hurt your feelings? Should I build a campfire and we can sing a couple of verses of Kumbaya? WTF I thought the right was a little more macho than that. You know love of the military, concealed carry and personal responsibility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wHHpDlGY_U&feature=related
Obviously you are incapable of answering a simple question. ‘macho’? WTF does that have to do with anything?
typical trick..obfuscate, avoid and spin….. make your accusations and fail to back ‘em up.
Back em up,
read your own fricken comments…The left is mean boo hoo.
Would John Wayne let a sissy liberals bad language and harsh comments stop him from posting a valid
argument in support of his claims? Or would he say “you know pilgrim if you would talk nice me I could whoop your butt in this here debate.”
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lindainks55
Posted August 22, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink
That’s funny, Raptor! One of the areas Thomas Franks discussed was the disdain shown to intellectuals by those who can’t hope to compete.
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What the…
How elitist is that? Talk about snobbery and it’s snobbery that isn’t true or comes from sources that can’t pretend to elevate itself to an higher order just because the elitists say that’s the way it is.
As I said last night, Franks loves to re-invent history. He fluffs the imagination of Liberal minds with imaginary events and facts that never were.
But glad everyone had a good time and was off the streets.
Here’s what Nathan left out of the article he referenced:
But he comes by his mendacity honestly–he learned how to distort arguments from his old man.
*****
The whole year will almost certainly be cooler than recent years, although temperatures remain above the historical average.
Global temperatures vary annually according to natural cycles. For example, they are driven by shifting ocean currents, and dips do not undermine the case that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are causing long-term global warming, climate scientists say.
Well, sorry for the multi-posts (if they show up).
Guess they’re not going to.
And here’s what ran in Today’s Eagle:
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation_world/story/502550.html
Arctic thaw opens sea lanes
The Coast Guard opens new stations as oil tankers and cruise ships begin sailing into the formerly frozen seas north of Alaska.
BY RACHEL D’ORO
Associated Press
BARROW, Alaska – Rapidly melting ice on Alaska’s Arctic is opening up a new navigable ocean in the extreme north, allowing oil tankers, fishing vessels and even cruise ships to venture into a realm once trolled mostly by indigenous hunters.
The Coast Guard expects so much traffic that it opened two temporary stations on the nation’s northernmost waters, anticipating the day when an ocean the size of the contiguous United States could be ice-free for most of the summer.
“We have to prepare for the world coming to the Arctic,” said Rear Adm. Gene Brooks, commander of the Coast Guard’s Alaska district.
Scientists say global warming has melted the polar sea ice each summer to half the size it was in the 1960s, opening vast stretches of water. Last year, it thawed to its lowest level on record.
The rapid melting has raised speculation that Canada’s Northwest Passage linking the Atlantic and Pacific oceans could one day become a regular shipping lane
The CONs missed a great presentation last night.
The most memorable thing that Frank (note: no “s”) pointed out was that the mid-60’s were the high water mark for modern liberalism, and what did we see?
Very high taxes on the rich and very strong labor unions–the anathama of today’s CONservativism.
Far from the hell on earth that such policies are supposed to produce in CON lore, we saw GDP growth rates of 6.5 percent per annum as opposed to 1/3rd of that now. We had historic high wages as opposed to the continuing fall in wages since Reagan. Wages fell in inflation-adjusted dollars by 1,000/year in Bush’s first term alone.
The political slogan of the Democratic party at that time is almost unutterable today: A growing prosperity, widely shared.
Capn
“Arctic thaw opens sea lanes”
It happens in cycles, about every 40 years.
Someone sailed it for the first time back in the late 1800’s.
And he didn’t need ice breakers.
The Crapn stuck in the 1960s and he didn’t even have pubes back then.
Thomas Frank also touched on the real reason for the housing market speculative bubble and subsequent melt-down–lack of federal regulation.
The Second Glass-Stegall Act prohibited a bank holding company from owning other financial companies. It was done to stop the same “moral hazard” — in which companies that write loans assume no risk — which led to the housing melt-down of The Great Depression.
These provisions were repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
The “free money” loans, the “no money down” mortgages, the “we pay you to take a loan” loans began soon after, and all this bad debt was packaged and sold to big bank holding companies.
The sh!tty economy we are enduring right now is a direct result of de-regulation.
Cause to effect.
Will Gates again game the system to favor airbus and cause boeing to no-bid the tanker?
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080822/boeing_tanker_fighter.html?.v=3
I would no more go to a Frank book signing than I would go to a Rush anything. The promulgation of the “us vs. them” mentality from both sides of the political spectrum doesn’t get us anywhere.
Repugs. are asking the A.G. to investigate Schummer for pointing out that bank was making loans without examining borrowers ability to pay.
lindainks55
Posted August 22, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink
My first thought was about how quickly the FBI closes cases on circumstantial evidence at best. Especially when they don’t want a different outcome.
Is there any news what the suspicious white powder is? Maybe they could show it to Cindy who has some experience in knowing some of those substances.
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Lets just send it back to Obama. He is the one who used a little ‘blow’ and would know how to get it.
“The Democrat National Convention Committee has begun circulating identification badges for the Denver gathering, and the image they chose for the badge says a lot about the party’s views of America and Barack Obama’s place in it. The image essentially depicts an upside down American flag with Obama swathed in the star field in a determined outward looking pose”
What was that about being wary of those wrapped in a flag? Oh, the flag is upside down so it’s okay. yeah.
Political_mama
Posted August 22, 2008 at 6:42 am | Permalink
This is what happens when someone writes a level-headed criticism of the right wing hate that had assisted in the UU church shooting. She gets attacked, stalked, asking her right to free speech be denied- big time.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/95810/
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Pmom I’m late getting here today but couldn’t resist asking you if you actually read this article she wrote. Hate at it’s most ridiculous. I really am concerned with how far to the left you have slid. You went right past BJ and I didn’t think that was possible.
Freedom of speech is freedom for all. Not just for the left or the right. If you can’t handle the dialogue then take up knitting or something that won’t talk back.
Politics is a dirty game but the left with these constant ‘the shooters are all right wingnuts’ mantra has fallen over the edge.
“okobserver” snarks –
“… Obama. He is the one who used a little ‘blow’ and would know how to get it.”
Better yet, ask Cindy McCain. She didn’t bother to buy her drugs as the teenage Obama did.
No, she chose to embezzle her dope from widows and orphans who would otherwise benefit from her
tax-havennon-profit charity.Hey, Okobs–
How’s the house building biz these days?
Not so good, eh.
Well, keep voting RepubliCON.
You deserve them.
lindainks55
Posted August 22, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink
That’s funny, Raptor! One of the areas Thomas Franks discussed was the disdain shown to intellectuals by those who can’t hope to compete.
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Raptor had it right with this mans obvious ‘full of himself attitude’. Sean Hannity was in Wichita once and several thousands went to his meetup. I didn’t go. I haven’t read his book, nor Rush’s, nor O’Reillys. I don’t need to have my thinking validated by the conservative of the day as the libs seem to need.
Frank is an author – he wrote a book – he needs to sell that book to make money. That is his income stream. This is a would be major member of the literary community and he had a signing in a small book store. One I actually love and go to often.
So Linda to say that he thinks the ‘intellectuals’ are looked at with disdain by those not able to compete is to show the same elitism that is dooming Obama today. You guys are just too funny somedays.
Lets just send it back to Obama. He is the one who used a little ‘blow’ and would know how to get it.
I bet Cindy would know a source.
And why not suspect her in the mailing case? I can’t imagine, even with all her money, that life is all that easy for her, and what better way to pay him back for his denigrating comments and name-calling?
(Just showing you, ksgrm, that it works both ways.)
CapnAmerica
Posted August 22, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink
Hey, Okobs–
How’s the house building biz these days?
Not so good, eh.
Well, keep voting RepubliCON.
You deserve them.
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Hey capn that is the second time you have asked me about building houses as if I had something to do with that. Wherever you get your info should give you a refund because that couldn’t be further from the truth.
My son is in the process of building a home but that is his project not our business. You really should get a new search engine. The one you have seems to be out of steam. Still waiting for either the name of Rush Limbaughs sister or an ‘I was wrong’ from you.
Oops! Sorry, MH, I didn’t get to your reply before typing my own. Like minds, and all that. :)
On a separate and completely different note, I see the State has awarded the casino bid to Mulvane. I was just thinking earlier this morning that it would go that way. Outside of Wichita (biggest city), yet more easily accessible. Not that Wellington is a bad place, but what does it have to offer for other entertainment?
Pred when you or Pmom actually show evidence where he said those things then I will share your outrage. It hasn’t happened. As I mentioned earlier this week on this blog the left seems to think that if they say something often enough it becomes ‘truth’. Doesn’t happen that way. Fiction is still fiction no matter how many times you tell it.
MH I will be the first to tell you that when a person is addicted they will use the most available poison for their source. Obama who would be Prez has had this problem in the past. Do we want a onece upon a time druggie (self admitted) as our Prez?
Linda, I’ll take tawdry, uncouth and profane for five hundred please :)
P-mom:
Yeesh.
The only person responsible for those two shootings (and which two would that be, BTW?) are the shooters. Listening go gangsta rap doesn’t make the rapper responsible for drive-bys, though it’s morally reprehensible. Watching a movie with murders in it doesn’t make the moviemaker responsible for a murder.
Responsibility lies with the doer. Period. Your blame game has nothing to do with anything except playing political games. You feel the need to blame someone for everything bad that happens. That reflects on you, P-mom. Not on conservatives.
…and grmie fails to grasp the idea that not every usetabe user is an addict…
ok….haven’t you picked up on typical blog tricks? Facts are not necessary, if a lib claims it, it is fact..then repeated enough times it becomes a mantra. Whether it is rush’s imaginary sister or your being in the home building business. Facts aren’t really important to a lot of people here.
It can be frustrating trying to get a straight answer or validation on a claim. When asked, the spin comes back, the obfuscation tricks begin, and then of course the acrimonious insults fly. Any attempt to moderate that results in accusations of “whining” or not being “macho”.
Very predictable….I have seen that pattern repeat itself many times….
I guess that’s why we dont elect fat people to the White House anymore? ‘Cause, um, they have an addiction and would rule like bushco?
Big eye roll…
Heheheheheh. Krispy Kreme’s are crack cocaine for fat people.
And skinny chefs are pushers, not users….
Oy.
Writerdawg, I know you are working billions of hours, but you were missed last night. You would have LOVED the Frank presentation and the coffee afterwords.
Hell, do you think that’s what’s wrong with us progressives? We’re addicted to caffeine?
HEHEHEHEH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Raptor, with all due respect, why did you come back here if it is such a shithole? I mean, it is a shithole, but we all post here knowing that and in spite of it.
Would you like a little cheese with your whines?
Jeebus. Man up boy. Quit whining or quit posting.
What do we have to say to make you and nathan stop WHIIIIINNNNINNNNNGGGGGGGGG?
Do you need the waaaaaaaambulance?
“I bet Cindy would know a source.
And why not suspect her in the mailing case?”
Deep “hee hee hee heeeeee….”
Pre, dammit, you were missed last night too. And so were you Pmom.
I read the article well, and she wasn’t hateful to point out facts.
And GMC be careful what you wish for, remember its your side that thinks porn leads to all this horrible behavior and that it needs to be banned, and that being without religion in school leads to more violence.
I won’t defend rap music- I think it very much incites violence and degradation of women.
And noone has yet shown not ONE example of a liberal doing a church shooting.
yet we have shown plenty of examples of the right wingers who listen to these neocons who have.
Ok I’m getting ready to leave for Wichita- and anyone who wants to meet us for lunch will have to email Linda for the place and time.
“had it right with this mans obvious ‘full of himself attitude’.”
Funny, but that was exactly NOT the way he came off last night. It was actually what I expected before it started, but he was SO not like that. He really was down to earth and connected easily to the audience as a group and to individuals who spoke with him later.
He seemed genuinely happy to be there, and was humble and self effacing. Which, of course, just framed and highlighted his unmitigated brilliance.
Sigh. Yeah. I have a man crush now…
See, OK? KFG proved my point. Ask for mature adult conversation and some respect for differences of opinion and get childish taunts in return.
Thanks for the proof kfg….and btw, I sure as hell do not have to justify my participation here to you or anyone else.
Sorry Pmom, I sure would like to have lunch with you and Linda, but I just cant make another eight hour round trip today :)
Seriously, I hope to meet you in person soon.
You’re going to make me end up driving up there, aren’t you?
You’re right, Okobs.
I got you confused with that other right-wing woman, GSheridan.
She hasn’t been posting much. Probably because she has to work overtime at WalMart while her contractor husband is making dog houses and selling them by the side of the road . . .
As for Rush Limbaugh having a sex with a male student and having a gay sister, I did not make that claim. I did copy and a paste a source that made such a claim.
I have no idea whether the source was correct or not.
And noone has yet shown not ONE example of a liberal doing a church shooting.
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You are right P.M., Libs go after larger targets like the Pentagon and the Capitol Building. (WU)
OMG, and rap illustrates MY point perfectly. Tell me rap, was your sense of humor surgically removed? Or were you just born without one? No you dont have to justify your participation here, and I’m not trying to run you off, I’m just wondering why two big ex military guys are seemingly addicted to wwwwhhhhhiiiiinnniinggggg, and then whine about it when someone points it out?
Like I said. Quit whining or suffer the consequences. There is no shame in being wrong, for either side. But whining? Whiners should be shamed like a chicken killing dog.
Tell me, do you think constantly whining about the blog and the posters is going to change the blog? Or just keep making you a target for more barbed humor?
just asking…
Please, for you own sake rap, not ours (’cause we need the humor) quit whining or quit posting. It cant be good for you.
“You’re going to make me end up driving up there, aren’t you?”
heheheh. Standing offer. Burgers and shakes at Cleland’s soda fountain. I’ll buy!
Or, I could cook for anyone who visits. Your choice. But I highly recommend the whole soda fountain experience.
Oh P.M., and burn houses and labs too! (ELF)
Obama who would be Prez has had this problem in the past. Do we want a onece upon a time druggie (self admitted) as our Prez?
Priceless! Yet you’ll accept an admitted alcoholic who refuses to deny his own cocaine use as your Prez.
I suspect reporters chose not to report on McCain’s treatment of his wife, having nothing more than their own observation of the incident. Considering his treatment of women that we HAVE seen documented, doubt of his words to his wife is, well, doubtful.
Hee hee hee hee. It was so refreshing last night, both the Frank thing and the coffee afterward. Like pure oxygen to my soul.
The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder Surges to No. 10 on NYTIMES Bestseller List
(from Amazon) Famed Charles Manson prosecutor and three time #1 New York Times bestselling author Vincent Bugliosi has written the most powerful, explosive, and thought-provoking book of his storied career.
In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses—a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world.
As a prosecutor who is dedicated to seeking justice, Bugliosi, in his inimitable style, delivers a non-partisan argument, free from party lines and instead based upon hard facts and pure objectivity.
A searing indictment of the President and his administration, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder also outlines a legally credible pathway to holding our highest government officials accountable for their actions, thereby creating a framework for future occupants of the oval office.
Vincent Bugliosi calls for the United States of America to return to the great nation it once was and can be again. He believes the first step to achieving this goal is to bring those responsible for the war in Iraq to justice.
About the Author
Vincent Bugliosi received his law degree in 1964. In his career at the L.A. County District Attorney’s office, he successfully prosecuted 105 out of 106 felony jury trials, including 21 murder convictions without a single loss. His most famous trial, the Charles Manson case, became the basis of his classic, Helter Skelter, the biggest selling true-crime book in publishing history. Two of Bugliosi’s other books—And the Sea Will Tell and Outrage—also reached #1 on the New York Times hardcover bestseller list. No other American true-crime writer has ever had more than one book that achieved this ranking. His latest book, Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, has been heralded as “epic” and “a book for the ages.”
Bugliosi has uncommonly attained success in two separate and distinct fields, as an author and a lawyer. His excellence as a trial lawyer is best captured in the judgment of his peers. “Bugliosi is as good a prosecutor as there ever was,” Alan Dershowitz says. F. Lee Bailey calls Bugliosi “the quintessential prosecutor.” “There is only one Vince Bugliosi. He’s the best,” says Robert Tanenbaum, for years the top homicide prosecutor in the Manhattan D.A.’s office. Most telling is the comment by Gerry Spence, who squared off against Bugliosi in a twenty-one-hour televised, scriptless “docu-trial” of Lee Harvey Oswald, in which the original key witnesses to the Kennedy assassination testified and were cross-examined. After the Dallas jury returned a guilty verdict in Bugliosi’s favor, Spence said, “No other lawyer in America could have done what Vince did in this case.”
Bugliosi lives with his wife, Gail, in Los Angeles
yet another setback for the Topeka cult…
A federal appeals court in Cincinnati has upheld an Ohio law that bars pickets and protest activities within 300 feet of a funeral or burial service.
It’s a loss for the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church
Predestined
Posted August 22, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink
Obama who would be Prez has had this problem in the past. Do we want a onece upon a time druggie (self admitted) as our Prez?
Priceless! Yet you’ll accept an admitted alcoholic who refuses to deny his own cocaine use as your Prez.
I suspect reporters chose not to report on McCain’s treatment of his wife, having nothing more than their own observation of the incident. Considering his treatment of women that we HAVE seen documented, doubt of his words to his wife is, well, doubtful.
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Pred another example of what I said. The left posts unproven ‘facts’ from an annoyomous web source and the left goes ga ga over it. Next day it is reported as fact. Capn just excused his lunicay in the same way.
Pred no one has ever proved that Bush used cocaine in college. Either provide a source or stop posting untruths as fact. Capn Rush doesn’t have a sister who said he was always gay and had sex with another student when he was a 14 year old college student. You were wrong to put it here as fact.
Farmie when you accuse others of whining you really should write post that actually resemble adults writings and leave the middle school puncuations and draaaaaawn out words to the kids.
Raptor
Posted August 22, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
yet another setback for the Topeka cult…
A federal appeals court in Cincinnati has upheld an Ohio law that bars pickets and protest activities within 300 feet of a funeral or burial service.
It’s a loss for the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church
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Glad to see that. Hope more states follow up with their own laws. Now if the left could just rein in this registered democrat and control him.
The Thomas Frank book signing was great last night. Saw many friends there. Took my daughter and she had Frank sign my first edition copy of What’s the Matter with Kansas?. I told her to read it, before she sold it on E-Bay. :) Very sorry I missed Annie Moose.
But let me denigrate the event: It was held at a Independent book store, where those liberal bastards have the gall to charge retail prices! Sarah Bagby brings in all these authors with crazy ideas, some of which manifest in fiction, others in reality – sorry, it is NOT a public service to Wichita to do anything like that!!! Republicans like JWink, those small minded conservatives who have the ability to listen to opposing views (and who actually met Harry S. Truman), were at Watermark last night – it is a bad idea to encourage people like that – check out conservative talking points, number 23. Liberals were smiling and laughing at Watermark last night – also, something that should be avoided at all costs. And, of no small consequence, J. R. was there – taking in all those reactionary ideas – better lock up your stuff conservative folks, he will be out to take them in no time… (will contemplate further, why the whole Frank thing was a bad idea…). :)
So you “open-minded conservatives” can be adequately armed against the painful intrustion of enlightenment, please check out and avoid this store:
http://www.watermarkbooks.com/sarahbagby.html
“Responsibility lies with the doer. Period. Your blame game has nothing to do with anything except playing political games. You feel the need to blame someone for everything bad that happens. That reflects on you, P-mom. Not on conservatives.”
Really so when john law profiles a bad guy what is he doing?
Remember all the controversy surrounding Muslim air travelers? Profiling?
“Japanese scientists said Friday they had derived stem cells from wisdom teeth, opening another way to study deadly diseases without the ethical controversy of using embryos.
Researchers at the government-backed National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology said they created stem cells of the type found in human embryos using the removed wisdom teeth of a 10-year-old girl.”
While not completely opposed to esr, and feel it could possibly be of benefit with tight controls, and the fact the esr is not outlawed, but only kept from federal funding except for the 12 original strains, it seems the mantra, Embryonic stem cell research is the only way, continues to get holes punched in it. SO, was it really the case? or was it just another political ploy to divide people? hmmm
Also, last night, ksframgrrl was at Watermark, laughing like a sailor on a three day pass. Something I enjoyed, but you conservative brethren might not…
HEE HEE HEEEEEE STEVEN!!!!!!!
“(and who actually met Harry S. Truman)”
Reminds me of John Prine’s “Grandpa Was A Carpenter”.
“Stained glass in every window, hearing aides in every pew”.
Thankfully, there were some “young’uns” there too. It was nice meeting your daughter.
Commerce when they do it = good
Commerce when we do it = bad
Got it!
Dont forget all the money we spent at the coffee shop later!
Heh, Steven. It was only a day pass, not a three day pass. I havent had so much fun since the mayor went to take a dump and the hogs ate him…
I’m pretty sure the cons wouldnt like my humor or my language any better than they like my politics.
GOD I had fun!
Coffee shop?? Afterwards?? Oh my, how capitalistic can you get?? LOL
Steven your thinly veiled satire would be refreshing if it weren’t so trite. What would your intellectually superior mind think would be the correct response to the put downs the left hands out daily. I am always willing to learn and I know this non commercial author who doesn’t live on his book royalties is oh so willing to point out to us intellectally challenged posters our talking points so we won’t offend your sensibilities.
BTW if you spend a lot of time at this bookstore chances are we have seen each other without knowing we were mortal enemies.
Hee hee heeeeee. With all due respect, I have never, and I mean NEVER seen cap’n excuse his “lunicay”.
It was nice meeting him finally. So many of you knew him, but it was the first time we met. Although, he said he knew me right away thanks to the picture of me the wingnuts posted long ago….
I’m just a little more gray and a little more fat than when that pic was taken.
And a whole lot more cynical.
Is jerome corsi donating all his profits to charity? Just askin’.
“What would your intellectually superior mind think would be the correct response to the put downs the left hands out daily.”
Um, pretty much I think us “intellectually superior” minds think the appropriate response is to “laugh like sailors on a three day pass”.
Tell me grmie, did ALL you cons have your funny bones surgically removed?
Where is boxlicker to post the picture of the laughing donkey? Hell, even I think that’s funny.
Well Farmie I didn’t want to call him a liar right out so tried to use a kinder word.
You think lying is funny. Somehow I didn’t expect that from you.
“Coffee shop?? Afterwards??”
Yeah, it was the beatnik music and the clove cigs that really set the tone…
“far out man”
Oh, another thing, if you go to Watermark often enough, you start feeling compulsions to listen to NPR, drink Chardonnay, and to (heaven forbid!) ponder moral dilemmas…
“You think lying is funny. Somehow I didn’t expect that from you.”
Well then, I guess yer wrong. I think jerome corsi is funny as hell!
Farmie actually I laugh a lot. Usually when reading one of your posts. Keep up the good work.
I was merely asking Steven how we intellectually challenged folks could measure up to Mr. Frank’s definition of intellectual. Didn’t you see the satire there. Must have lost that funny bone.
Huh?
If I am rude and vulgar here I never here the end of it from the left.
When I question Chas on his being a Christian at least half a dozen posters will get on my case and ask me to stop.
Half the time I ever say anything to Linda I’ve got Political Mama and a couple of others on my case for “attacking” her.
Steven has some personality disorder where out of no where he comes in to attack me personally with some pretty vulgar language and is rather vindictive about it.
Blue Jay… well he adds little to any discussion anymore without the personal insults.
Yet when I say one thing to you guys or someone else does we are whiners????
Then you pompus elitists idiots are going to come on this blog and have the audacity to say that us conservatives do not have the capacity for an intelligent discussion?
Meanwhile you revel in the fact that you are constantly getting together without us Conservatives?
You liberals have truely turned into quite the elitist snobs who seem more interested in basking in your own glory rather than try to hold a conversation with a conservative.
Sorry for you. I always enjoyed the meetups I had gone to, but it appears as if that is a thing of the past and it is not of my doing.
Honestly, you guys can get together all by yourselfs and my life will go on. Just don’t come here saying it is because us Conservatives didn’t want to come and have an intellectual conversation with you or whatever else lame excuse you come up with.
Wow… Linda, I have a word for you and it is one of my favorites:
HYPOCRITES
Heeee Steven. Not to mention that you develop insatiable cravings for arugula and you start slinking around Whole Foods looking for a fix.
“hey buddy, can you spare some raspberry-vinegar dressing? Just a little to help a brother out?”
HA!
yourselfs = yourselves
O M G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And nathan, right on cue, does every damn thing we HOWELED about last night concerning his posts to Linda.
Jesus WEPT nathan. Like JR says about another poster, if you didnt exist, we’d have to invent you just for the humor.
kfg,
If I known you were coming, I would have brought some spuds for you to autograph. :)
I’m just ROFLMQAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg. “Boy”, you have no idea how funny that is!
“Steven your thinly veiled satire would be refreshing if it weren’t so trite.”
From you, germ, that is the highest form of flattery I could ever have hoped for. Last night I was regailing my friends with the fact that I get paid for communicating with certifiably crazy people, but talking to you requires my full concentration, and is Frankly [sic] not worth the trouble.
Steven I wondered over there one day after breakfast at Jeannies. I didn’t feel any of those compulsions. Enjoy all book stores. A weakness of mine. My library has books written by both sides of the political spectrum. Some are enlightening some aren’t.
If you really want to laugh read the political satire ‘Rick and Bubba for President’. Their plan to cap spending by congress just might work. On the first day of each week each member of congress is given an envelope with the amount of money they are allowed to spend that week inside. When it is gone – no more spending until next week. If they want a big item they have to save until they have enough to pay for it. The best plan I have heard to date.
Heh Reg. I’d a carved my initials inside a heart with a “pen” knife!
…and did I mention that I actually touched the hem of Thomas Frank’s robe last night.
Sorry Rachel. My heart now belongs to Frank!
Pred no one has ever proved that Bush used cocaine in college. Either provide a source or stop posting untruths as fact.
Read what I posted again, oko. He has had ample opportunity to deny any drug or cocaine use. He never has. At least he’s half honest.
“You liberals have truely turned into quite the elitist snobs who seem more interested in basking in your own glory rather than try to hold a conversation with a conservative.”
Holy cup to the wall, Batman. Nathan must have been listening in on us last night. The secret is out!
But truthfully. We werent “basking in our own glory”.
We were ROLLLING in it!
Steven in your next professional evaluation you might need to seek help. The fact that someone doesn’t accept your insults and fall to the floor in a quivering heap indicates you aren’t as good in the intimidation game as you would like to be.
I don’t feel the need to put you down personally as you seem to do with me. Your weakness not mine. Counseling from your peers might be helpful.
Farmie,
Got a 12.3 # brisket in the fridge. To die for dry rub. My son has an unbeatable BBQ sauce. Would be good eating this weekend if I could just find some damn fluffy tortillas.
Predestined
Posted August 22, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
Pred no one has ever proved that Bush used cocaine in college. Either provide a source or stop posting untruths as fact.
Read what I posted again, oko. He has had ample opportunity to deny any drug or cocaine use. He never has. At least he’s half honest.
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Roxie I read that your books are intellicutal crap. Not worth the time or money they take.
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Ok your turn. I started a rumor about you and now it is your responsibility to deny it.
Do you see the absurdity of what you just wrote.
Thats like the question “When did you stop beating your wife?”
Seriously nathan, what do we have to do to make you feel better? To make this pain of yours go away?
Do you want all the progressives on the blog to demand that Chas and Linda write ” I will never again Stand the Floor Up” one thousand times on the blackboard?
Would you like us to rap their knuckles with the “Sister Mary Eplains It All To You” commemorative rulers?
Would you like us to make them stay after school and write a note to you saying they are sorry? Using Big Chief tablets and crayons?
I bet you want them to kneel on gravel for twelve hours while they contemplate their sins.
Really, what do we have to say or do to make you feel better?
Heh Sol. Sounds like heaven to me. All you are missing are the Pearl longnecks.
Have you tried fresh pita bread in place of the fluffy tortillas? I know it’s not the same, but… it’s better than those paper thin crepes they call tortillas in the north.
Dude, yer just going to have to learn to make tortillas. It’s not that hard, just takes practice rolling to make them round.
Mine all turn out in the shape of texas…heheheheh!
KFG,
The secret is out?
Everytime you liberals get together several of you come on the blog and rub it in the Conservatives faces.
I just think it is rather absurd to both claim that us Conservatives can’t hold an intelligent conversation or be social when we have proven we could do both at nearly every other meet up we have been to.
All of a sudden it is like we are back in grade school where you liberals think you are the cool kids when you get together then you come back here to mock us Conservatives.
Then you say we can’t hold an intelligent conversation?
I think my father has invited many of you out to talk more times than I can count.
But hey, go sit around and talk each other up. When you are interested in actually having to defend you opinions and ideas let me know.
Yeah, oko? And I hear you beat your employees.
“Steven in your next professional evaluation you might need to seek help.”
Jeebus.. I wonder what she would have said if she had TRIED to put him down?
I’m tellin’ ya, you just cant make this stuff up.
Hell, even FRANK said that last night!
I’ll give it a shot Farmie. Thanx for the advice.
I’m going to try one last time.
This really is a good read.
“When you are interested in actually having to defend you opinions and ideas let me know.”
Um, yeah, because defending my opinions is what I do for FUN!
Billy Joel had it right. “I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun…”.
Ya know dude, no one is stopping you cons from getting together and having a blast.
Or is it just no fun without US? Hmmmm.
I just think it is rather absurd to both claim that us Conservatives can’t hold an intelligent conversation or be social when we have proven we could do both at nearly every other meet up we have been to.
Who gives a shit? A group of folks got together and had a good time. WTF is all this about?
Good Lord, y’all will argue about aruing.
Damn, y’all already do that too.
To each their own. It is Friday. Goooood BBQ in my near future. Got family at the house. Life is good. Wish y’all’s was too.
Farmie what is it about you and some of the others that makes you feel the need to put others down. Are you so insecure in who you are that this is a pattern you developed for defense?
Nathan merely made an observation. One which others here see also. You are like a bunch of middle schoolers who only have certain ‘friends’ they will be nice to. Can’t sit in the lunch room with anyone ‘outside’ your group.
You feel your strength is in the numbers in your group. Others are treated with contempt if they come to close.
This behavior is distructive in our schools and is discouraged. How did all of you get out of school without learning that.
Steven maybe you all should have a group session and talk about the real
‘crazies’.
BTW by daughter in law does work with people who have mental and emotional problems. One things they are never called is crazy. I would question your credentials.
KFG,
I feel fine. The day that my feelings get hurt here I will stop posting.
I don’t expect or demand anything from Linda. It would be nice if she ever tried to hold an intelligent conversation beyond saying that it is just her opinion and she can’t be wrong.
The only thing I ever asked of Chas was for an apology and for him to answer a couple of questions about what he believes in regards to Christ. I never got that and realized I never would so I stopped asking and at the request of several posters as well.
Predestined
Posted August 22, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Yeah, oko? And I hear you beat your employees.
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Well Pred I certainly can’t prove to you that I don’t so I won’t even bother to deny it.
See how that worked.
SolDevVB,
Obviously they do. They can’t stop talking about it or rubbing it in our faces.
I point that out and I got you and several others getting on my case?
*EYE ROLL*
Iraq calling for no U.S. troops in cities or towns in june 09, sounds like they may be getting ready for their purge. U.S. surge, Iraq purge.
“I don’t feel the need to put you down personally as you seem to do with me. Your weakness not mine. Counseling from your peers might be helpful.”
I know KFG, this poor woman has no ability to appreciate or understand contradictions. Heavy sigh…
Sorry, germ, you definitely are not important enough for me to spend time persecuting you… in case you did not know that (I suspect, you did, though).
rubbing it in our faces.
mmmmmKay. They had a good time and are talking about it. Sorry that personally offends you.
Iraq calling for no U.S. troops in cities or towns in june 09
Got a link for that? I’d like to read it.
Sol I am supposed to be packing and have wasted too much time here already. We are flying to Miami on Sunday. I know. We bought the tickets back in May. Am going to miss blogging the week of the convention but will be relaxing if we can find some sunshine.
Hope no more hurricaines are forming.
Have a good one!
KFG,
You are right. We can get together. We can have fun. And if we did, we wouldn’t feel the need to come back here and rub it in your faces as you are so compelled to do.
I am a busy guy. Between work, school, and all the other hobbies and friends I have, there is not time to set up some “Conservative” meeting.
Heck, the only guy I wanted to meet one on one is Regular. I have no desire to just have a “Conservative” meeting.
Farmie’s okay, she’s a bit on the raw side, but reminds me of Texans I knew when I lived there.
Used to an expression that Texas men like their women like bob-wor fences (barbed wire)
Mule High, Bull Strong and Hog tied.
Since most women don’t like to be tied up, they become free standing swinging gates.
Sorry, random thoughts floating in my head today, I think I’ve been eating too much whole grain…
Saw it on one of the news channels.
Miami should be good. My Dad is in Sarasota and says it is fine there. Hope you have a great trip. Don’t rub anyone’s face in it when you get back though :-D
Saw it on one of the news channels.
DAMN IT!!! Now I have to do my own research ;-)
SolDevVB,
You and KFG are having this problem here. I am not offended nor do I take this personally.
I am making an observation. Deal with it. Instead you try to make this about my feelings. Typical.
God, people, grow up. If one bunch wants or happens to meet up with out you, get over it! If you need their validation, you need psychiatric help. And I don;t care which side your talking about. While I think it is helpful to actually meet with people with whom I disagree, others don;t Who cares? Why make it personal, or a personal insult. Form your own group. Validate yourself in other ways. Wether or not any particular person (except amily) gives a shit about you should have no bearing. Damn.
“Farmie what is it about you and some of the others that makes you feel the need to put others down. Are you so insecure in who you are that this is a pattern you developed for defense?”
No. But, I do have a confession.
It’s MY HAND that is up the as of Triumph the Insult Dog.
And besides, when I played softball, (is that a dyke thing or WHAT!) I was always a sucker for a big fat slow pitch down the middle. I just cant resist swinging.
I need your validation littlejohn, validate my ticket please. :D
BlueJay
Posted August 22, 2008 at 7:49 am | Permalink
That WAS a great presentation by Thomas Frank there anniemoose.
And it was great to be in a room full of people who could speak in words with more than one or two syllables.
Several of us are sorry we missed you anniemoose.
We found out quite by accident that meetups not only don’t need cons, they are a helluva lot more fun without them!
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Political_mama
Posted August 22, 2008 at 7:51 am | Permalink
yeah we should listen to a guy who says that global warming *he doesn’t deny it* is God’s sign of the endtimes.
And you fundy freaks wonder why we can’t take you seriously? Lying at every turn, you sound as loony as the heaven’s gate people.
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lindainks55
Posted August 22, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink
That’s funny, Raptor! One of the areas Thomas Franks discussed was the disdain shown to intellectuals by those who can’t hope to compete.
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Sol for you just a few that Nathan was talking about. If I had thin skin I might be offended by Steven calling me a ‘crazy’ like the ones he works with.
Off for a week of fun. Enjoy
Heheheheheh Reg. Well, I qualify on all counts except “mule high”. I’m kinda vertically challenged.
And I dont care what Texas MEN want. But oh those Texas women….
Singing “All my exes live in Texas”.
Except one in OKC.
BAGHDAD [MENL] — The United States has agreed to withdraw many of itstroops fromIraq by June 2009. Officials said Iraq and the United States have reached agreement on atroop withdrawal timetable. Under a preliminary agreement, they said, theU.S. military would remove all units from Iraqi towns over the next 10months.
http://www.menewsline.com/article-1150,1329-U-S-Agrees-To-Pull-Troops-Out-Of.aspx
What do we need Obama for now?
The New York Times reports that the draft U.S.-Iraq deal has U.S. troops pulling out of Iraqi “cities and villages” by June 2009 and combat forces out by 2011. As predicted, the Bush administration is insisting that these timetables are not in fact timetables. Sayeth Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:
“We have always said that the roles, missions and size of the American forces here, the coalition forces, was based on the conditions on the ground and what is needed.”
And here, the operative “condition on the ground” is Nouri al-Maliki’s desire to retain power, and his mechanism for doing so is to insist on a staggered U.S. withdrawal to undercut his nationalistic rivals. So there’s your consistency right there. In truth, this is a capitulation to reality, the collapse of the main Iraq argument made by George Bush in his second term: timetables for withdrawal will kill you and your grandmother.
http://washingtonindependent.com/view/u-s-out-of-iraqi
But oh those [Austin] Texas women….
So… does that mean that the republicans would rather win an election than win a war? I thought mcsame essentially said this week that if obama wanted to pull out the troops, he was a cheese eating surrender monkey?
Huh. So.. what does that make the US government now?
I think someone forgot to give grandpa his briefing. Or grandpa forgot the briefing in his excitement of speaking to the VFW….
SolDevVB,
The difference is that the left was demanding timetables before the invasion, during the invasion, and just after the invasion while the circumstances of Iraq where rather uncertain.
Meanwhile, several years later, Iraq has a government, a constitution, voting, a much more capable security force which has assumed control over most of the regions in Iraq, and less violence.
Of course at some point there is going to be a withdrawl and scale back of forces.
That doesn’t inturn mean that the left had it “right” all along.
“The United States has agreed to withdraw many of itstroops fromIraq by June 2009. Officials said Iraq and the United States have reached agreement on atroop withdrawal timetable. Under a preliminary agreement, they said, theU.S. military would remove all units from Iraqi towns over the next 10months.”
Couldn;t be quick enough in my opinion.
As Bill Kirchen would say, this has just been “too much fun”. I gotta go feed the chickens. They didnt get fed at 2am last night. They’ll be carrying little torches and pitchforks when I get to the coop. Go figger…. Damn insurgent chickens.
That doesn’t inturn mean that the left had it “right” all along.
I didn’t make it a left/right deal. The war was wrong. It was never ‘right’. Glad our troops will be out of harm’s way.
SolDevVB,
When the article you quoted says this:
“In truth, this is a capitulation to reality, the collapse of the main Iraq argument made by George Bush in his second term: timetables for withdrawal will kill you and your grandmother.”
You did make it a “left/right” issue. Perhaps not on purpose though.
“You did make it a “left/right” issue.”
Just cut&paste a part of a column.
Wow, you know? Take a chill brother. Not everyone is out to get you. I am neither right nor left. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Label me.
Ummmm hmmmm…. The label would be Libertarian… Bye all lunch time!!
“Steven has some personality disorder where out of no where he comes in to attack me personally with some pretty vulgar language and is rather vindictive about it.”
Nathan,
Thanks for helping me out. I will go see Ksgrm, (AKA: OKO) to see if she can help me with that problem you so generously point out. Sorry I hurt feelings, dude, such actions chagrin me in ways you could never understand.
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SolDevVB
Posted August 22, 2008 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
“You did make it a “left/right” issue.”
Just cut&paste a part of a column.
Wow, you know? Take a chill brother. Not everyone is out to get you. I am neither right nor left. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Label me.
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Naw, you’re just one of those Yankee AssHats. :D
Steven,
First, I highyly doubt you are sorry at all.
Second, you didn’t hurt my feelings. I was making an observation about your behavior here.
Yankee AssHats
Yankee by birth, Texan by the Grace of God. Might be a displaced Texan at the moment, but a Texan I will be till the day I die.
I think the real problem here is that the liberals here have gotten so mean, nasty, and bitter that they know they would feel bad and couldn’t meet with us Conservatives or at least couldn’t keep up that nasty fron in person.
I just can’t picture Steven being as mean and nasty in person as he is here, especially since I seen him at the BBQ.
Good afternoon all. It’s been a busy time of the year for me, so I have been behind the blog power curve.
Nathaniel
Posted August 22, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
Dude, just let it go man. Where is this getting you?
SolDevVB,
Let what go?
You and Franklin smokin the same thing?
Asshats, BBQ, Personality disorders and validation. I must be just in time for the Jerry Springer blogs.
Jerry Jerry Jerry
SolDevVB,
Why don’t you let it go? This doesn’t even involve you.
I have tried to make that point before Sol. I never saw the war as right, just defendable by the administration. But there are some who will consider the success in Iraq to be even greater than the fall of the USSR. That is their opinion I suppose. We will see.
“The New York Times reports that the draft U.S.-Iraq deal has U.S. troops pulling out of Iraqi “cities and villages” by June 2009 and combat forces out by 2011. As predicted, the Bush administration is insisting that these timetables are not in fact timetables. Sayeth Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice:” —
I’ll wager this has already happened to some extent. It’s why there are fewer troop deaths. The surge worked because our troops stopped patrolling. It’s all bullshit folks. The Iraqis are still at war with each other. Well at least Saddam and his sadistic children are gone. All it cost was hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead, millions displaced, trillions of dollars, 4,000 u.s. troops, tens of thousands of wounded and ruined, and what was left of our standing all over the world. Does the electricty work yet? Well there’s a plus. And the oil is in the pipeline.
You can bet the troops have turtled up the past few months. Or about the same time the surge started working.
Sol writes:
Glad our troops will be out of harm’s way.
To that I say AMEN. Just shipped off a package to my nephew yesterday who is on his 3rd tour. This time he is stationed in Kuwait..he is rather disappointed to not be back in the green zone, but family here back in the world (as he calls it) are much relieved. He has had some “incidents” as he calls them, but not as many as his first two tours.
He is scheduled for a 15 month tour, having embarked in May of this year, before the 12 month tour rule came into play. So…I totally agree with you, Sol…they can’t come home soon enough.
Hope this isn’t true.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080822/ts_nm/afghan_violence_dc_7
Dang, Nathan, I didn’t know when I attended the BBQ that it included signing a Best Friends Forever pledge. It was good food and good company, and if weighed right or left, probably leaned more to the left, but I won’t swear to that. Hey, we’re personable people! :) I enjoyed it, I thanked your dad, the same I would do at any social gathering. But now you want to beat people over the head about it? Geez…
I had to run some errands, but I’m still laughing at the “observations” on my books by okobserver (formerly known as ksgrm). I can prove I don’t write intellectual crap. I don’t write “intellectual” anything. I write mass market fiction. LOL Crap to some, maybe, but that’s in the eye of the beholder. Don’t like it? Don’t friggin’ buy it! You won’t hurt my feelings.
If you’re out there, oko, enjoy your trip to Miami! Knowing you’re on your way there, I can rest assured that my friends in that area won’t have to deal with anymore tropical storms. Your hot air will blow them all away.
::chuckle::
Predestined,
I fail to see where I was beating anyone over the head with the BBQ.
Just making a point that I think some of the reason for a few of you no longer wanting to meet in public has to do with your inability to behave nicely.
Ok ya’ll I’m home! And no side effects YAY. So thank to those who had lunch with me, and special thanks to Linda for saving my skin!
“Nathaniel” winds up a whine-fest with –
“…I seen him at the BBQ.”
Conjugation, boy!
You didn’t “seen” him.
You saw him.
If you can’t use the English language properly we should deport your pathetic ex-Marine ass to Mexico.
KFG,
If you ever get a chance to hear a guy by the name of Gary Powell play,take advantage of it. He plays acoustic and does alot of John Prine. My all time favorite is “Sam Stone”. Aslo still waiting to hear your definition of preznit. Like I said When I see that word I picture this little roach in a suit scurrying along the base boaed,telling everyone he is in charge
If there is another meetup are moderates included?
If I am rude and vulgar here I never here the end of it from the left.
When I question Chas on his being a Christian at least half a dozen posters will get on my case and ask me to stop.
Half the time I ever say anything to Linda I’ve got Political Mama and a couple of others on my case for “attacking” her.”
No, Nathan, just when you do it day after day and post after post. How many times do you think you have said Chas isn’t a Christian? Altogether?
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I think we should have a full meetup once again. You’ll have to forgive me, but I really aren’t in the mood for a big crowd after getting needles shoved into my spine.
HLP,Even though we are miles apart politically,you seem like someone that would be interesting to talk to and have a civil discussion. I don’t know why but a lot of the things you say remind me a lot of my dad.Even though he was to the right of you he always impressed on us kids that we needed to form our own ideas and structure our own viewpoints.
MonkeyHawk,
When you can figure out how to address me properly in regards to my being a Marine, you can lecture me about the improper use of the word “seen.”
Marines do not refer to themselves as “ex” Marines. We are former Marines.
Regardless, I am not out of the Marine Corps. I am still a Marine.
Hi Freebird – how ya doing? And yes, I think you would enjoy Hank in person. I think the blog tends to accentuate our differences – over a burger and Pepsi we would be more likely to be discussing dogs etc. And I recall a lively technical discussion on nuclear power at that first one.
As for ’seen’ vs ’saw’ – BIG DEAL! I ’seen’ nathan there too and we got along fine!
“Nathaniel
Posted August 22, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
What do we need Obama for now?”
To rebuild our alliances to face down Russia with a united front.
The Bush administration officially released the new regulations on Thursday protecting pro-life doctors and medical personnel from being forced to participate in abortions, over their religious, ethical, or moral objections. They enforce existing law by putting penalties in place for facilities getting federal funds that subject pro-life doctors to discrimination over abortion.
This would be one of the first regulations obliterated by Obamanation’s administration – if you allow him to be elected.
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British athlete Tasha Danvers-Smith was one of Britain’s best hopes for gold in the Athens 2004 Summer Olympics, and was castigated by the media and the sports industry when she became pregnant and refused an abortion. She, like Phill Kline, won a Hero at Heart award, and also on August 20 this year, inspired by her three-year-old son, Jaden, won the bronze medal in the Olympic 400 meter hurdles.
We may suppose that the pro-abortion media and sports industry would still rather have had her son dead before he was born.
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“ . . . essentially adding an additional doctor, who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the decision to induce labor and perform an abortion.”
. . . Obamanation, arguing against requiring comfort and medical care for living, breathing, premature babies born alive during abortions
[About 10% to 20% of babies born during induced labor abortions are born alive instead of being crushed to death by contractions, and live anywhere from a few minutes to several hours, if left alone and untouched, as Obamanation still insists should be done.]
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The only article Obamanation wrote for the Harvard Law Review while he was a law school student, printed in 1990, talked about how fervently believed in legalized abortion. He indicated that government has much more important business that worrying about whether babies are born, that government has an interest instead in “preventing increasing numbers of children from being born in to lives of pain and despair.”
Obviously, Obamanation has been a Judas goat for reducing the black population through a 3-time-higher abortion rate for most of his life.
A new Pew Forum survey shows that abortion is important to the presidential vote of 39% of Americans, which is the main reason that Obamanation is continuing his downward spiral in the polls.
Ben,
What alliances were destroyed that need to be rebuilt so that we can face down Russia?
Last I checked, NATO was still together.
What are you talking about?
Sol,I’m American by birth,Southern by the grace of God
Doing great,had a good visit with my sponsor,and a surprise visit from my grandson,took him for the afternoon and he kind of wore pa pa out
Actually, I think politics and religion are two of the worst topics for direct conversation. Too easilly to get the passions flowing. Especially if one side’s packing.
Ex-Marine “Nathaniel” whines –
“When you can figure out how to address me properly in regards to my being a Marine, you can lecture me about the improper use of the word “seen.”
Nope.
I’m right whether or not the Marines have decided they’re better off without you fighting beside them. I’m right whether or not the Marines have decided they’re better off enlisting high school drop-outs and ex-felons than to have you on their side in Iraq or Afghanistan.
“Marines do not refer to themselves as “ex” Marines.”
You mean the Marines who are still fighting for our country? Where are you serving?
The jar-heads who can cut muster are among America’s most valued military assets. They’ve shown good military judgment by choosing to keep you away from the fighting.
You may not like to refer to yourself as an “ex-Marine.” But the Corps seems to think they’re better off without you.
I always get so excited when Parkay Newman posts. Remember he’s trying to get ALL premies to be forced to be given ALL TREATMENT POSSIBLE instead of leaving the decision to the parents and the doctor. Nevermind most of these parents wanted their babies to begin with.
Hey Parkay- planning to get arrested in the next week?
No MH as I’m sure Nathan will point out according to my son a FORMER Marine the only time you are an ex Marine is when you have done something to disgrace yourself or The Corp. Is that about right Nathan
From Drudge:
“FLASH: Fri Aug 22 2008 17:52:03 ET /// KMBC’s Micheal Mahoney reports a company in Kansas City, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material…”
Sorry, “Freebird1971″ –
The Marine Corps has been pretty explicit about their interest in having “Nathaniel” return to combat duty.
By your definition, it’s evident that “Nathaniel” has “…done something to disgrace…” himself, or the Corps, or America.
“Nathaniel” doesn’t like to address such issues.
Gill Studios, would not confirm information about the material. They would not deny it either. At least three sources close to the plant’s operations reported the Obama-Bayh material was being produced…
Hey freebird,
If you ever really need to talk, call me. (I’m in the book) I’ll buy lunch. It takes a big man to start down the road to recovery, congrats.
It’s no shame to get all the help you can as you procede. I may not be much help, but you’ll never have to wonder what’s on my mind!
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=19618
Eisenhower’s granddaughter leaves the GOP.
Pred just for the record. I was not saying anything about your books or their content. I was explaining to you why Bush didn’t/shouldn’t deny a statement that had no basis in fact.
I in no way expected you to defend your books. I couldn’t speak to their content because I haven’t read any of them.
I really don’t know what you think your problem is with me but I think it is way out of proportion to what I have posted here.
I give my opinions just like everyone else does. If you don’t agree just tell me but don’t feel the need to constantly demean who I am.
Sigh….
Nathan? Read your own posts to get a sense of why you are not high on the want to meet or meet again list.
For the record? This was not a “meetup” in the sense that we have had them before. The occasion of a brilliant liberal author visiting Wichita was mentioned some time ago and several liberal posters opined they might like to see the author and one another. Yesterday, kfg mentioned that the day had arrived and that she was coming to town.
Now, I speak only for me here. I DELIBERATELY did not post my intention to attend. I contacted friends off forum and let them know. I did not want to be responsible for you or “Regular” mucking up the works “here” or at the book reading just to get at me. Something which HAS happened before. I WILL say that Hank’s post that he would not attend added positively to my decision. But his presence would not have kept me away. That is the extent of any planning.
So? Don’t flatter yourself or your ilk further, at least at this time, that this was a deliberate snub. Quite honestly? You all just were not much on our minds. We post of the fun we had here for each other and others who we WOULD like to join us in the future. ( Are ya getting me Monkeyhawk) Not to rub it in your face.
All that said? It is FUN to not have to worry about offending you cons. I look forward to helping organize something like that again. We can’t laugh with you. The few things you all find humorous (people suffering, evictions, executions, etc) just are not funny for us. But we can laugh AT you and spare your feelings (if any) if you are not around.
okobserver-
Uh huh. Okay. Whatever. Again, enjoy your trip. :)
Thats what you and my dad had in common. People used to say if you don’t want to know what Harold thinks don’t ask him
Pre-I’d like to read one of your books.
If I only knew what you wrote!
And just to set the record straight, okobserver, I posted a fact: George W. Bush has never denied using cocaine. Not publicly, anyway. You decided to attack me about a fact. Whether or not you believe or don’t believe he did or didn’t is your OPINION, which you are free to enjoy. But attacking me for pointing it out or for disagree with you is nothing more than childish. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.
I’m not sure why you suddenly decided to post personal insults to nearly every liberal or non-conservative on this blog today, whether they posted to you or not. Perhaps you overdosed on bitter pills this a.m.? Your nastiness is just as bad as all the rest, right and left, so don’t try to play the poor wounded soul.
I have nothing further to say, type, or convey to you in any way. Enjoy your life.
So what do you write about Predestined?
Smutty romance novels or alien encounters with Jethro and the Hogg family?
U.S. Senator Evan Bayh for Obama’s V.P.
a company in Kansas City, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material…
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Senator Who??? That ought to leave a few folks flat.
MonkeyHawk,
I have addressed the issue at least 10 times. Half of them were because you were saying the same exact BS about my service before.
You are true sorry piece of crap and have no idea what you are talking about.
You do not only insult me, you insult the 40,000 other Marines who serve honorably in the Reserves as well, with your stupid remarks.
McCain Mail Threat Suspect Charged
ABC News’ Jack Date Reports: Marc Harold Ramsey, the man investigators believe was responsible for mailing a package containing a suspicious powder to the Denver office of Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, will face charges of mailing threatening communications, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Denver, earlier today.
The powder was determined to be non-hazardous and non-lethal.
Ramsey allegedly mailed the suspicious package from the Arapahoe County Sheriff’s detention facility, where he has been held since last September on allegations of felony menacing, harassment and felony second degree assault on a peace officer, the complaint says.
According to the complaint, Ramsey admitted to mailing the letter, when interviewed by Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Detective William Gallegos and U.S. Postal Inspector Luis Castrillion, both members of the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force.
The package contained a letter addressed to Senator McCain which said, “IF you are reading this then you are already Dead! Unless of course you can’t or don’t breathe.” The letter closes with “You’re out of time Allahu Akbar,” according to the complaint.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/mccain-mail-thr.html
Nebraska ‘Safe-Haven’ Law Permits Parents to Abandon Teens
“Or How Nebraska Develeops the Human equivalent to a Dog Pound”
Friday, August 22, 2008
Associated Press
OMAHA, Neb. — Nebraska’s new “safe-haven” law allowing parents to abandon unwanted children at hospitals with no questions asked is unique in a significant way: It goes beyond babies and potentially permits the abandonment of anyone under 19.
While lawmakers may not have intended it, the month-old law raises the possibility that frustrated parents could drop off misbehaving teens or even severely disabled older children with impunity.
“Whether the kid is disabled or unruly or just being a hormonal teenager, the state is saying: ‘Hey, we have a really easy option for you,”‘ said Adam Pertman, executive director of a New York adoption institute and a frequent critic of safe-haven laws.
Nebraska’s approach is surprising because it is the last state in the nation to adopt a safe-haven law.
But instead of following the lead of other states, which focus on the abandonment of newborns, lawmakers here wanted to extend the protection to all minors. And in Nebraska, that goes all the way up to age 19.
“All children deserve our protection,” said Sen. Tom White, who helped broaden the measure. “If we save one child from being abused, it’s well, well worth it.”
White said it doesn’t matter if that child is an infant or three years old or in the care of a parent or baby sitter. As for what constitutes a minor, he refers to common law, which interprets it to be anyone under age 14.
State Sen. Arnie Stuthman, who introduced the original bill dealing only with infants, agreed to the compromise after the bill became stalled in debate.
“The main interest I have is that it gives the mother or a parent another option of what to do with a child before they do something drastic,” he said.
The measure, which took effect July 18, does not absolve people of possible criminal charges — for example, if a child had been beaten.
Cont’d at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409262,00.html
A Huffington Post that even Hank Price could enjoy:
http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/21/elite_whip_team_to_attack_hill_8416.php
:) Some white guy needs to chime in and say that race is a fictional construct – that would be perfect.
Sorry the above was linked by Huffington Post. Not their original work.
McCain Campaign Predicts Huge Post-Convention Bump for Obama
John McCain’s presidential campaign, playing an aggressive version of the expectations game, circulated a campaign memo predicting Barack Obama will get a nearly 15-point bump in the opinion polls as a result of next week’s Democratic Convention.
The memo comes as Obama kept the country — and the increasingly frenzied media — in the dark about who he had picked as his vice presidential candidate.
The McCain campaign already is looking at ways to steal some of Obama’s spotlight in the coming week, with a plan for instant responses to speeches by Obama and his supporters.
Even so, McCain aides are predicting that Obama’s short-term success could rival that of Bill Clinton’s, who got a 16-point bump in the polls after he was named the Democrat’s nominee at the 1992 convention in New York.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/22/mccain-campaign-predicts-huge-post-convention-bump-for-obama/
BlueJay,
I really couldn’t care less if you and the other liberals had a weekly lunch, picnic, BBQ, night at the movies…etc… and NEVER once invited us conservatives.
It is when you come back to the blog and say crap like this:
“And it was great to be in a room full of people who could speak in words with more than one or two syllables.”
“We found out quite by accident that meetups not only don’t need cons, they are a helluva lot more fun without them!”
I am not going to waste my time looking for every comment made, but since last night there have been several like this from several posters.
Go have all the fun in the world. You don’t have to act like little children and come back here tanting us and rubbing it in our faces.
You are the worst one.
10 Polar Bears Are Seen Swimming in Open Water
Ten polar bears, an unusually large number, were seen swimming in open water off the northern coast of Alaska recently, some heading for shore and some heading toward the retreating ice in the Chukchi Sea, two federal officials confirmed Friday.
Susanne Miller, the biologist in charge of the polar bear project for the federal Fish and Wildlife Service, said 8 of the 10 bears spotted in the aerial survey had been within 15 miles of shore. One was 35 miles from shore and another one 50, but neither was more than 20 miles from the nearest arctic ice.
Bear sightings in open water were infrequent until about 2004, Ms. Miller said, but rising temperatures have melted much of the ice platform on which they live and hunt for seals. In May, Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne put the United States polar bear population under the protections of the Endangered Species Act, primarily because of the loss of its sea ice habitat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/science/23bears.html?ref=us
Da*n global warming.
SEE! SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!
THE POLAR BEARS ARE DYING ALREADY!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409221,00.html
Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico in Record Numbers
Friday, August 22, 2008
DALLAS — Illegal immigrants are returning home to Mexico in numbers not seen for decades — and the Mexican government may have to deal with a crush on its social services and lower wages once the immigrants arrive.
The Mexican Consulate’s office in Dallas is seeing increasing numbers of Mexican nationals requesting paperwork to go home for good, especially parents who want to know what documentation they’ll need to enroll their children in Mexican schools.
“Those numbers have increased percentage-wise tremendously,” said Enrique Hubbard, the Mexican consul general in Dallas. “In fact, it’s almost 100 percent more this year than it was the previous two years.”
The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries.
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lindainks55
Posted August 22, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink
10 Polar Bears Are Seen Swimming in Open Water
Ten polar bears, an unusually large number, were seen swimming in open water off the northern coast of Alaska recently, some heading for shore and some heading toward the retreating ice in the Chukchi Sea, two federal officials confirmed Friday.
Susanne Miller, the biologist in charge of the polar bear project for the federal Fish and Wildlife Service, said 8 of the 10 bears spotted in the aerial survey had been within 15 miles of shore. One was 35 miles from shore and another one 50, but neither was more than 20 miles from the nearest arctic ice.
Bear sightings in open water were infrequent until about 2004, Ms. Miller said, but rising temperatures have melted much of the ice platform on which they live and hunt for seals. In May, Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne put the United States polar bear population under the protections of the Endangered Species Act, primarily because of the loss of its sea ice habitat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/science/23bears.html?ref=us
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Psst, it’s summer time in the the Arctic.
Wait one month and floating ice shelves start forming again. :D
Ok, Steven,
Against my better judgment I went to your link. Still laughing, thanks. It’s true, the DNC has allowed Hillary to have 40 of her ‘black ops’ people on the floor to quell any anti-Obama-pro-Hillary demonstrators.
(film at 11)
Here’s one for you,
http://www.werescrewed08.com/
And Greenland is MELTING!!!!!
HURRY! EVERYBODY TURN OFF YOUR AIR CONDITIONING!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
GLOBAL WARMING!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,408542,00.html
Massive Crack Discovered in Glacier at Top of Greenland
Friday, August 22, 2008
“I really couldn’t care less if you and the other liberals…..”
Which of course is why you have been going on about it ALL day? I know I myself don’t spend LOTS of time and verbiage on things I couldn’t care less about.
We had fun without you cons around. It wasn’t planned, just happened. We had MORE fun BECAUSE you cons weren’t around. Wasn’t planned, just happened and noted for future reference.
And I’m NOT the first person to notice that this is somehow irksome to you. My advice to you is to get used to it as it will very likely happen again.
My post a bit ago was KIND in light of how you have posted here today.
JR…………………walk on by
Let the nasty, bitter prices stew in their own pot.
Vile people like the prices WILL go to hell, presuming there is actually a place like that.
“Go have all the fun in the world. You don’t have to act like little children and come back here tanting [sic] us and rubbing it in our faces.”
“Main Entry: taunt
Pronunciation: \?to?nt, ?tänt\
Function: noun
Date: circa 1527
: a sarcastic challenge or insult”
Note correct spelling. I am failing to understand how people commenting on enjoying seeing other people is “a sarcastic challenge or insult” to you. Personalize much?
Indeed some of J. R.’s comments were somewhat insulting. But your reaction is way out of proportion to the offense. I think your reaction suggests that it does not take much to get to you. Which if you have been paying attention at all, around here, that increases your chances of being insulted.
300 Million People in the USA.
That’s $3.33 for every man, woman, and child for every $1 Billion spent by our Government.
$3 Trillion is spent by our Federal Government. That’s $10,000 for every man, woman, and child.
ARE YOU PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE?
JR & his kid should pay $20,000 per year. ARE YOU?
Some I D I O T S like Farmgirl, say we don’t have a progressive tax system in America.
Well, if YOU are NOT paying $10,000 in Federal Taxes every year, then the DIFFERENCE is the amount that is being paid by SOMEONE ELSE – FOR YOU!
Someone else is paying for your share of the Federal PIE if you don’t pony up $10,000!!!!!
So, JR pays, I’ll guess, $1,000 in Federal taxes every year.
That means SOMEONE ELSE must pay $19,000 FOR JR!
R U THAT SOMEONE ELSE?
HOW P R O G R E S S I V E!!!!!!
Just a note to say thanks for all the support that has been shown to me in the last couple of days. Rereading the posts esp from raptor and others help renew me when I’m feeling doubts.
Thank you Hank, your link was excellent, too.
OBAMA’S GLOBAL POVERTY ACT will cost America $70 BILLION per year, to give Americans’ money to “the poor” foreign countries thru that pristine angelic outfit called the UN.
$70 B I L L I O N ! ! !
That is $223.11 from every man, woman, and child in the USA.
JR, you are a LIB. Just this ONE Lib program will cost you $223.11 x 2 or $446.22 every year to give away to the UN.
R U Paying Your Fair Share??????????
Get out your check book LIBS. Pony up $223.11 x every member of your family, and write it out payable to the U Nited Nations.
What? We don’t have a Progressive Tax System, so what do YOU EXPECT TO PAY for Obama’s plan?
Raptor, Do you do a lot of 12th step work?
JR says:
“It’s my party and I can do what I want to, do what I want to, do what I want to!”
LOL
Who gives a flying fcuk????????????????????????
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BBQ????
HOW APPROPRIATE for the little Piggies at the Government Trough!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t stand it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shooting snot bubbles out!!!!!!!!!!
Water Main Break at 15th & Meridian
Date: August 21, 2008
Contact: Angela Cato, Water Utilities
E-mail: ACato@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 641-6844
A break in an 8” water main was reported at about 3:30 PM today. The main is located on 15th St., just east of Meridian. The street is closed between Meridian and Sedgwick due to damage from the break and traffic is being diverted. Homes and businesses in the area may experience low-water pressure until the break is repaired. Emerson School at 2330 W. 15th St. is the only location at this time without water.
The cause of the main break is not known. The break should be repaired later tonight, depending on the extent of damage to the pipe.
HAVE YOU ALL TURNED YOUR AIR CONDITIONING OFF?
MY GOD!
THE EARTH IS WARMING!
SAVE THE PLANET! TURN OFF YOUR AC!
THROW OPEN YOUR WINDOWS AND STICK YOUR HEADS OUT AND YELL:
“IT’S GLOBAL WARMING!!!! SAVE THE PLANET!!!! I’M MAD AS HE*L AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!
TURN OFF YOUR AC BEFORE I CALL AL GORE ON YOUR A*S!
Regualar,
The cause of that water main break was….
G L O B A L
W A R M I N G ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Unexectedly Unusual High Temperatures have stressed the system. Concrete and Pipes are breaking EVERYWHERE!!!!!
THE
SKY
IS
FALLING!!!!!!
Now see? There is a good example.
I don’t know about anyone else. But I just don’t have any desire to meet/spend time with Max.
I can have that experience with one of those little overbred dogs that shakes and pisses all the time while barking an irritating non stop bark.
Hey Apophis? We gotta get you in on the fun next time.
The end of the Earth is obviously near.
Hank and Steve are now friends.
REPENT NOW!
SAVE YOURSELVES!
“The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has dropped 11 percent since August of last year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Its research shows 1.3 million illegal immigrants have returned to their home countries.” — Grobnik cut and paste.
During the Great Depression, the Mexican economy flourished.
Awww JR, (sob sob)
Can’t we just get along? (sob sob)
I’m sure we could be friends. (sob sob)
(sniff sniff)
If we (snot bubble)
could just meet and have a beer and a BBQ at the Free Government trough! How fitting, to have a BBQ with a little piggie as the main course!
(sniff sniff)
(tear tear)
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MaxGrobnik
Posted August 22, 2008 at 7:15 pm | Permalink
Regualar,
The cause of that water main break was….
G L O B A L
W A R M I N G ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Unexectedly Unusual High Temperatures have stressed the system. Concrete and Pipes are breaking EVERYWHERE!!!!!
THE
SKY
IS
FALLING!!!!!!
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More than likely that the Water Department just wants to get in the news that they are actually doing some work after they just raised our water rates. :D
Although, I bet Max DOES jump entertainingly when startled. But that’s only fun for awhile.
I guess you could give him a gun, loaded with blanks of course. THAT might spice a social occasion up.
We’ve always been friends, Max. We just get in a little snit now and then.
Hell, we are in the same book club!
Predestined
Posted August 22, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
And just to set the record straight, okobserver, I posted a fact: George W. Bush has never denied using cocaine
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I said before and I say again. He had no need to deny it anymore that I needed to deny that I beat my employees as you asserted. If politicians defended themselves every time some loon attacked them that is all they would get done.
Look at our blog alone. Bush is accused daily of treason. Should he announce every night that he isn’t guilty of treason?
Do you understand what I was trying to do?
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You went on to post about me:
“I’m not sure why you suddenly decided to post personal insults to nearly every liberal or non-conservative on this blog today, whether they posted to you or not. Perhaps you overdosed on bitter pills this a.m.? Your nastiness is just as bad as all the rest, right and left, so don’t try to play the poor wounded soul.”
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Should I now deny that I posted bad things and insults to ever liberal on the blog today?
Sorry you have your knickers in a bunch but again it isn’t because of me.
Those damn terrorsit have struck the heartland, going after our water supply. Quick Run, hide, max!
10 things you might not know about Evan Bayh
A 1) What’s his name? His full name is Birch Evans Bayh III. The name originated with his grandfather, Birch Evans Bayh Sr., born in Indiana in 1893.
2) Family ties: One of his twin sons will keep the family name going. Birch Evans Bayh IV, known as Beau. Evan and Susan Bayh named Beau’s brother Nicholas Harrison Bayh, after distant relative William Henry Harrison. Bayh says he tells his second son: “Nick, you’re named for a president. Beau’s only named for a senator.”
3) Hoosier roots: Bayh was born Dec. 26, 1955 in Shirkieville, Ind., in Vigo County. In 10 presidential elections from 1960 through 1996, Vigo is one of eight U.S. counties that voted for the winning candidate each time.
4) Early generations: Bayh’s great-great-grandfather Christopher Bayh emigrated from Germany in 1864, arriving in Indiana knowing no English. He had a tag saying “railroad” on his overalls, so that’s where he went to work.
5) Inside the White House: As a child Bayh had a sleep-over in the Lincoln Bedroom during the Johnson Administration during which he was awed by the television remote control — rare at the time.
6) Work history: Encouraged to do physical labor by his parents, who owned a farm in Indiana, he spent three summers during his college years working on the Metro, the Washington, D.C., rail system. He made about $6 an hour and used the money to buy a car. It broke down just blocks from the dealership.
7) Gubernatorial past: Elected governor of Indiana in 1988, Bayh was the first Democrat in 20 years to hold that office, and — at 32 — became the youngest governor in the U.S. (He took that title from Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas.)
8) Booze ban: His election came during a crackdown on drunken driving, and Bayh banned hard liquor from public events at the governor’s residence, and later banned beer and wine as well.
9) High on hoops: Also during his first term as Indiana governor, a basketball hoop was installed in the parking lot of the governor’s residence in Indianapolis.
10) Proven winner: He was re-elected governor November 1992 by more than half a million votes over the No.2 finisher — the largest margin of any governor in modern state history. Running for Senate in 1998, he won with 64 percent of the vote for the largest victory margin by a Democrat in a U.S. Senate race in Indiana.
So JR, you never answered, never denied it, so I’ll assume you are NOT paying your fair share of the $10,000 Federal Government pie for yourself, and another $10,000 for your kid.
$20,000/yr JR, that’s all that’s expected of you, to contribute towards your Liberal causes.
Did I hear JR say,
“What, I don’t have to pay my fair share of the pie! I’m a Liberal Socialist Democrat! Somebody ELSE should pay for ME!”
Shelly Hansel’s meltdown.
KFDI interview. OMG! Did she loose it.
http://news.kfdi.com/News/Story/tabid/5154/story/24916/Default.aspx
$499.50
From every man, woman, and child, IF you can believe what Obama says about the price of his National Healthcare plan!
So Jr, you complained about paying $30/month (that’s $360/year for those who are math impaired) for healthcare.
Under Obama’s plan, you and your kid will owe $499.50 x 2 or $999 per year for National Health Care.
Have you sent in your check yet?
$150 Billion for Obama’s National Healthcare Plan, IF you can believe that!
$3.33 per Billion from Each Man, Woman, and Child in the US for every $1 Billion in Federal Spending.
Yikes…
she’s mad.
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Shelly Hansel’s meltdown.
KFDI interview. OMG! Did she loose it.
http://news.kfdi.com/News/Story/tabid/5154/story/24916/Default.aspx
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Indeed.
Gambling – “Many must lose in order for a few to win.”
“Gambling – “Many must lose in order for a few to win.”"
Ahhh yessss glorious capitalism!!! ROFL!!
How is it Obama quotes the CHRISTIAN bible when it is convenient for him, to support his Socialist Agenda, yet he says America is no longer a Christian Nation?
Now America is a nation of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Hindus, according to Obama, America isn’t a Christian Nation!
Isn’t there separation of Church and State?
(pssst…only when it’s CONVENIENT.)
yuk yuk yuk Chas!
Capitalism is not a zero sum game. All can win, IF they Work For It!
Gambling, that’s the Government sponsored enterprise that mandates most people lose, while a small few win.
ROFLMAO Chas! You B So Funn E!
Say Chas, you paying your fair share of $10,000 for YOU and $10,000 for your Wife to the Federal Government?
Are you not paying for YOUR OWN SHARE OF THE PIE?
Dang Chas, you must be a F R E E L O A D E R!!!!!
How Christian of you!
Freebird…
some..not much tho.
Say Chas, that $10,000 Per Year! For Every Man, Woman, and Child!
You put your own money where your big fat mouth is?
Chas says, “No Max, I don’t have to pay for myself. I’m a Liberal Socialist Democrat. SOMEBODY ELSE works for me to pay my fair share!”
Did Jesus say “Do unto others, as you would have others do to you.”?
I wonder how that makes a Socialist beggar a Christian?
Chas, your turn.
Goodnight.
how much is the company paying? Far more than 499 a month.
Goodnight again.
(I was just kidding the last time!)
(I was just kidding.)
$499/month? WTF Pmom?
Keep up would ya!
For Obama’s health care plan, that will cost $499.50 per year for every Man, Woman, and Child.
(If you believe Obama’s cost estimate. Ya gotta cut the bro a lil slack on that prica ya know, cause he dont really know for sure, he ain’t got much experience ya know.)
Ok, really now, goodnite all!
(I mean it this time!)
And business are paying over 500 a month for everyone as it is now. That’s a huge savings.
wellington was a stupid stupid choice for a casino- if I’m going to a casino- why not drive a few extra miles into Oklahoma or to Topeka? Wichita area was a good choice. And Mulvane isnt’ that far from Wellington. Geez.
Salina should have been chosen had they even bothered to try.
Pmom, that $499.50 is ON TOP OF THE $10,000 you already owe every year for Federal Spending.
Since YOU can afford to pay $10,000 per year in taxes, surely YOU can affort to pay just another $499.50 for National Healthcare every year!
Oh, plus add another $223.11 per year for Obama’s Global Poverty Act!
Can’t recall his prices for free College, and all that other “FREE” crap he promised to buy your vote.
Pee,
you’re wrong
again
Oh PMOM, you still have a kid at home! Then double those prices above, cause those are the prices every Man, Woman, and Child in America owes for Federal Spending.
Good night again.
(Really, I mean it this time!)
(LOL only PMOM sees Obama’s plan as being a big discount, as if she believes that shit coming out of his mouth!)
So what do you write about Predestined?
Smutty romance novels, Regular. :) However, if you’d like a hog story, I can probably crank one out for you. (Sorry, romance novelist humor there.)
Pmom, you turn your AC off?
The Polar Bears are drowning and the Iceburgs in Greenland are cracking!
Don’t you want to do YOUR FAIR SHARE in solving Global Warming????
No that’s right, Somebody Else should turn off THEIR AC to save the world.
I want to stay comftable.
Goodnight again!
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So what do you write about Predestined?
Smutty romance novels, Regular. :) However, if you’d like a hog story, I can probably crank one out for you. (Sorry, romance novelist humor there.)
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There’s a comedian on the “Comedy Channel” that talks about “wild pig sex.”
Perhaps you could go with that theme. :D
Isn’t there a Liberal Theme forming?
Somebody Else should take care of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goodnight all!
God bless!
Max,
I already did my part against Global Warming. 24 years in an old farm house with no AC. I’ll pass on the no AC right now. I’m making up for lost time. :)
There’s a comedian on the “Comedy Channel” that talks about “wild pig sex.”
Tell ya what, Reg, if I run out of story ideas, I’ll look into that. Might be fun!
Oh, and an FYI for anyone who cares. Christian romance is a big seller. No smut, no sex, just romance and religion.
Hey, I don’t like it very cold anyway. My husband, that’s another story.
Perhaps the war mongers should pay for the war and I’ll put into the pot for healthcare- but only those who put into it can benefit from it. Deal?
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There’s a comedian on the “Comedy Channel” that talks about “wild pig sex.”
Tell ya what, Reg, if I run out of story ideas, I’ll look into that. Might be fun!
Oh, and an FYI for anyone who cares. Christian romance is a big seller. No smut, no sex, just romance and religion.
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Recently watched a CSpan interview with Shelby Foote, a Civil War Historian. He’s a great story teller. Unfortunately, he’s about 85 years old now and won’t be around forever, but he has his voice recorded on a couple of his books. Has that mellow, Southern accent that is so pleasant to listen to.
Good writing is a gift, hard to do, wish I could do it, but no innate talent.
So if we’re going to have a real meetup- it better be before the elections. I don’t want one side gloating while the others are hurting. Makes for a bad time.
Pee, just for giggles, let’s use the State of Kansas as the employer.
http://www.khpa.ks.gov/SEHBP/2008/DOCS/Active/OEBook.pdf
Page 7. Let’s use a family of 4 as an example.
The State pays just over $700/mo in premiums, and the employee pays about $270. I’ll give you the benefit of rounding and call it $1000/month. That’s $250 TOTAL per person.
Like I said. You’re wrong. Again.
I say sept 19th…a friday night.
500 a YEAR for every man woman and child is FAR LESS than 250 per month testicle.
I’m going by what MAX said.
If Obama thinks he can do it for $500/yr (and if you believe it) – just imagine the level of service you’ll get.
Massive head wound?
Here’s a needle, thread and a band-aid.
Political mama
A con free meetup is in the works.
An Eagle meetup or a meetup as we had in the past seems unlikely to happen. There’s just little demand for it now that we know how much fun the cons aren’t!
Junior,
How’re the strikers holding up? I’m counting on a long holdout so I can get that boat for cheap. I figure about another 10 days or so – right after labor day.
$0.20 on the dollar.
UNION STRONG!
UNION NOW!
I am fine with going to a con free meet- but I’d like to have one with everyone too.
I like to look my opponents in the eye.
Here’s a needle, thread and a band-aid.
Hmmmm, well… That’s what I have right now. :) And I do sterilize that needle. Think I can get a dab of antibiotic ointment for the $500/yr?
Pre,
You get a script for an OTC tube of neosporin.
Breaking news, folks:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/if-clinton-were-the-nominee/#comment-407155
Political_mama,
Check out my website. I’m not comfortable promoting myself, so this is it. If you’d like a copy of my book that came out in January, contact me via my website. I have some copies.
And anyone else, visit or not. It’s up to you. Just don’t spam me. :) There’s a blog, there’s pix of my family and such, but you won’t find me in the phone book, so don’t bother trying. LOL
This is a one time only offer:
http://roxanndelaney.com
(That’s a pseudonym, not my name :) )
“It’s no shame to get all the help you can as you procede. I may not be much help, but you’ll never have to wonder what’s on my mind!”
Freebird – I’d like to second Hank’s sentiments – both on his own sincerity as to the issue and I’ll add mine. I think you have a lot of ‘brothers’ here – left and right.
I knew a wonderful man named harold who passed away recently. Irish – and similar to what you describe in your dad.
Hi Hank – I’m sure we would all get along a lot better than many would think …
“How’re the strikers holding up? I’m counting on a long holdout so I can get that boat for cheap. I figure about another 10 days or so – right after labor day.
$0.20 on the dollar.”
Gosh they look foolish, standing out there in the heat, losing income each and every hour they are looking foolish.
McCain the
Maverick, the call sign of the main character in the film Top Gun, played by Tom Cruise
.. killed his back seater because of his reckless abandon and ego centric nature —
yeah lets elect a maverick who only thinks inside his little self serving box ….. … and a dunce by Naval Academy Standards ……….
U.S. Secret Service on Way to Biden’s House; Kaine and Bayh Told Nope on Veep
August 22, 2008 10:50 PM
The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.
What a stinky ticket that will be if that’s the Obamanation choice.
Maybe they look foolish to you boxlock.
But that’s just you.
To ME? They look brave and proud and YOU look foolish.
You cling to old prejudices that are going extinct. You are a salesman. The internet will make you extinct. In the meantime? You gotta suck up and meet that quota or you get called to the carpet and chewed out.
See? They have that over you. They don’t get called to the carpet. And when they get abused by management, there is someone like me right there in managements face.
You go sell something while you still can boxy.
Junior,
Do you know anyone that has a Cobalt? Maybe a Mastercraft?
I have cash.
UNION YES!
UNION NOW!
UNION STRONG!
Um, JayBird?
Boxlock can do sales online. Sales aren’t dead, just changing, just as everything does and is.
Boxie? (I hope that’s okay to call you that. After all, Reg calls me Roxie ;) ) I design websites, if you ever feel the need. LOLOLOL
Um Pre?
Boxy is the enemy.
Well —- so much for that KC area outfit that was printing out a bunch of Bayh literature… What a joke that was!!
Well……. it was a long day today…..
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!!
So mote it be!!
Indie,
I might point out that in the Movie Maverick was cleared of all wrong doing at an official board of inquiry.
Maverick was very egotistical and did take risk, but in the situation where Goose died it was an accident while trying to maneuver into a firing position.
And since we are comparing the two, I do believe that in the end Maverick showed he could be counted on and succesfully destroyed several enemy aircraft.
“Drill here? Drill now?”
We’re already doing it.
And selling there.
Oil exports from the U.S. are currently running at 1.8 million barrels a day – exports that enrich Big Oil but don’t do a thing to reduce prices at the pumps. Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), Chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming is asking Bush to “keep our oil”.
” …..at the current export rate, by the time the first barrel of oil could be produced from increased offshore drilling, America would have already exported the equivalent of nearly 40 percent of the oil that is projected to lie beneath protected areas offshore.”
And that’s the Big Oil Shuffle, as brought to you by George Bush, John McCain and oil company campaign donations.
Republic Party shit; you’re soaking in it.
“Voters who do not know Rove’s trademark tools of mudslinging, disinformation and innuendo are clueless. The majority fell for the Rove/Bush lies and will fall again, but even lower. Rove’s America has a dark heart, and he will use this darkness to sway the tide. He knows that negative campaigning works and works very well. A positive politician will tell you what he stands for. The negative activist incites hate and division in the guise of patriotism — a form of thin fascism. Do you see the light or darkness?”
KENT ELDER
Udall
I thought your story is so legendary. Thanks for sharing!!