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The annual Yoder Days celebration is this weekend. Hotcakes and sausage breakfast starts about 6 AM in their outdoor covered picnic area in the center of town. See you there.
Senator John McCain recently accused Senator Barack Obama of calling for an end to the war in Iraq because he is motivated by “the ambition to be president.”
It has now come out that McCain himself has written of his 2000 presidential campaign, “I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president.”
That ambition, McCain added, even led him to “lie” and conceal his true opinion of the Confederate flag.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_admitted_ambition_drove_desire_to_0820.html
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There really is something wrong with this guy. A meltdown during one of the upcoming debates wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
New climate record shows solar-based climate cycles
A stalagmite in a West Virginia cave has yielded the most detailed geological record to date on climate cycles in eastern North America over the past 7,000 years. The new study confirms that during periods when Earth received less solar radiation, the Atlantic Ocean cooled, icebergs increased and precipitation fell, creating a series of century-long droughts.
A research team led by Ohio University geologist Gregory Springer examined the trace metal strontium and carbon and oxygen isotopes in the stalagmite, which preserved climate conditions averaged over periods as brief as a few years. The scientists found evidence of at least seven major drought periods during the Holocene era, according to an article published online in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
“This really nails down the idea of solar influence on continental drought,” said Springer, an assistant professor of geological sciences.
Geologist Gerald Bond suggested that every 1,500 years, weak solar activity caused by fluctuations in the sun’s magnetic fields cools the North Atlantic Ocean and creates more icebergs and ice rafting, or the movement of sediment to ocean floors. Other scientists have sought more evidence of these so-called “Bond events” and have studied their possible impact on droughts and precipitation. But studies to date have been hampered by incomplete, less detailed records, Springer said.
The stalagmites from the Buckeye Creek Cave provide an excellent record of climate cycles, he said, because West Virginia is affected by the jet streams and moisture from the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean.
Other studies have gleaned climate cycle data from lakes, but fish and other critters tend to churn the sediment, muddying the geological record there, said study co-author Harold Rowe, an assistant professor of geological sciences at the University of Texas at Arlington.
“(The caves) haven’t been disturbed by anything. We can see what happened on the scale of a few decades. In lakes of the Appalachian region, you’re looking more at the scale of a millennium,” Rowe said.
Strontium occurs naturally in the soil, and rain washes the element through the limestone. During dry periods, it is concentrated in stalagmites, making them good markers of drought, Rowe explained. Carbon isotopes also record drought, Springer added, because drier soils slow biological activity. This causes the soil to “breathe less, changing the mix of light and heavy carbon atoms in it,” he said.
In the recent study, the scientists cut and polished the stalagmite, examined the growth layers and then used a drill to take 200 samples along the growth axis. They weighed and analyzed the metals and isotopes to determine their concentrations over time.
The data are consistent with the Bond events, which showed the connection between weak solar activity and ice rafting, the researchers said. But the study also confirmed that this climate cycle triggers droughts, including some that were particularly pronounced during the mid-Holocene period, about 6,300 to 4,200 years ago. These droughts lasted for decades or even entire centuries.
Though modern records show that a cooling North Atlantic Ocean actually increases moisture and precipitation, the historic climate events were different, Springer said. In the past, the tropical regions of the Atlantic Ocean also grew colder, creating a drier climate and prompting the series of droughts, he explained.
The climate record suggests that North America could face a major drought event again in 500 to 1,000 years, though Springer said that manmade global warming could offset the cycle.
“Global warming will leave things like this in the dust. The natural oscillations here are nothing like what we would expect to see with global warming,” he said.
Though some climate and drought records exist for the Western and Midwest areas of North America, the eastern Appalachian region hasn’t been studied much to date, Rowe said. The research team plans to examine additional stalagmite records from West Virginia and Tennessee to paint a better picture of North American climate cycles.
A question for all. Why is it so difficult to let someone voice their opinion even if you don’t agree with it with out casting accusations and aspersions on the opinion giver? I think it would be just as easy to say I don’t agree with you and here is why,but obviously some cant seem to understand that
“I think it would be just as easy to say I don’t agree with you and here is why,but obviously some cant seem to understand that”
Ask the right Freebird. They are the ones with the money and the ones who so think they are divinely assigned to tell the rest of us how to live.
Hate to say it but I have seen that attitude on both sides of the fence,so I guess I’m asking both sides
Freebird…the extremists on this blog cannot see beyond their own hatred–and that hatred colors their vision of everything. They feel entitled to judge the opinions of others. Then, the extremists make outlandish, unprovable claims meant only to insult/irritate, and the fight is on.
There is no room for discussion with many of these people..it is ‘their way or the highway’, and they refuse to admit there could be any valid point by someone they hate.
Go figure..sounds pretty juvenile to me, but I hang around here because every now and then there is something worthwhile, or funny, or interesting.
Raptor,
3 months today
Congrats!!! Going to pick up a coin?
Yep have a meeting at 8 starting on step 3 today
“Freebird1971″ –
I’d simply refer you to my post on the swastika and Stars and Bars from yesterday’s thread.
I have no problem with your right to fly the Confederate war flag, but pointed out that whatever glory might be assigned to that banner is no longer relevant. It may not be your fault, but most people know what the symbol has come to mean.
Most political differences aren’t really right vs. left, but ideology vs. reality. CONs tend to take up issues on the basis of ideology and conjure up rhetoric to pose the problem — and their preferences — in ideological terms. If teens are boinking without contraception they tend to produce babies. The realistic approach is to encourage contraception.
Yeah, it’s probably not the best idea in the world for 14-year-olds to rut like hogs in a back seat behind the stadium, but 14-year-olds have been doing it since (and before) “Romeo and Juliet.” And if teaching your children to curb their sexual enthusiasm isn’t the job of the parents, who’s is it? Government?
Government ownership of business is socialism. Business ownership of government is fascism. Neither model works in the extreme and neither is compatible with our Constitution.
Well Freebird I have been posting here since the beginning.
I’ve even met some of the cons in person and then come back to try and fight them civilly here.
My take is they are just not nice people. I find little to nothing redeeming in them.
I rest my case, Freebird….proof abounds above. Generalizations, accusations, and insults.
typical.
I don’t assign anything to that flag other than it’s a part of my heritage.
As for the rest of your post I gree with you,seems like too many parents today have abdicated their responsibilites to the schools and government and I firmly believe that is why we are seeing so much turmoil in our schools and neighborhoods. Parents need to retake control of their kids and not leave it to others
“Yeah, it’s probably not the best idea in the world for 14-year-olds to rut like hogs in a back seat behind the stadium” — Monkey.
As the resident sexpert on this board, I’m sorry to inform you that hogs do not drive.
BlueJay
Posted August 21, 2008 at 7:27 am | Permalink
I’ve even met some of the cons in person and then come back to try and fight them civilly here.
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B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
It takes controlling our need to post a rebuttal. If one person continues an argument it becomes fairly evident. Maybe we’re all proving we are human? Oh, and maybe accepting that no one needs to be wrong.
Guess that last wasn’t really a sentence so I’ll try again. If we were able to present our opinions while accepting that nobody needs to be wrong we may have more civility.
each opinion is as good and as useless as the next
Preaching to the choir Linda
I don’t think you meant anything by that last comment, but some would. Some would think you were being critical AFTER you asked ALL a question. So I shouldn’t have responded in any way — either to your question, and certainly not to your five word response to my posts. OR, I don’t recognize IN ME and my posts a “preachy” tone. That could be it too! Guess as long as we’re humans we’re gonna have words taken differently than meant, misunderstandings, disagreements.
“A spore on the grassy knoll”?
Is that investigating? Inept friggin’ guvmunt.
They don’t have all of the pieces and they don’t care. Case closed. Shut up about it.
A bunch of criminals and we’re content with that.
God help us. Or maybe he has been trying and we’re all just too stupid to figure it out?
“The annual Yoder Days celebration is this weekend. Hotcakes and sausage breakfast starts about 6 AM in their outdoor covered picnic area in the center of town. See you there.”
What else is going on? Will there be a Washer Toss tournament?
“3 months today”
Congrats! Drinks on me!
I’ve even met some of the cons in person and then come back to try and fight them civilly here.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
(breath)
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE.
Thanks, JR. That’s the second good laugh you’ve provided in two days. Civil, my ass.
Continue to lie to yourself if you like, but the rest of us know bullsh** when we see it.
Freebird, it’s pretty simple. There are some who see this board as their place to “prove” that they are “right.” And it’s easy to be an ass when you don’t have to look the other person in the face. The left seems to think this board is their private playground, and resents anyone daring to disagree with them. So they become as disagreeable as possible. Not surprisingly, they get return fire in kind. Add to that the DailyKos/DU drones (Capn, MH), where reason is never in play; the abortion drones (parkay), a few other endless memes (Global Warming ad nauseum) and there ya go.
There have been a couple in person meet-ups, and they are useful, but some here (mostly on the left, JR is a prime example) who carry their list of “insults” so dearly they cannot behave civilly, or cannot believe that anyone who dares to disagree with them could do so.
Yes, I’m assigning blame primarily (but not entirely) on the left. That’s a reflection of reality, at least as I see it. I’m sure others see it differently. But I can get past it. The talk here is politics – it’s not personal. I’m still up for a meet-up, and I can still share a beer with JR like a grown-up, despite any differences here. We’ll see if JR & Co. can do the same.
Hey Freebird,
Congrats!
Keep going! Every problem is similar to others and at the same time different. Others can be a big help in your journey and give you valuable insight but in the end you have to take each step and eventually be responsible for your results.
My best friend in the world has been on the journey now for 24 years. During that time he went back to school, obtained a DD, started and retired from a church.
So, live each day, one day at a time but take time for your dreams of tomorrow!
Freebird since you dodged the question, I will ask specifically again. Were you the person who posted on the salina Journal forums as “liberty or death’ and “arkansas traveller”.
Since you didnt read my answer on the other thread,the answer is no. Before registration I was Freebird and after I am who I am now. So bone dig for a racial tirade if you want.
“The talk here is politics – it’s not personal. I’m still up for a meet-up, and I can still share a beer with JR like a grown-up, despite any differences here. We’ll see if JR & Co. can do the same.”
I wouldn’t mind another meet up either. I’m just really busy on the weekends. I’ll be gone for most of them the next two months.
There is not one person on this BLOG that I would not meet for lunch and talk about anything with if they were sincere. I can defend my faith, my politics and my patriotism and never have to GOOGLE!
Linda sorry you got the wrong idea. What I should have said was that I agree with you. Preaching to the choir is somethng my family says all the time when they agree with someone. My apologies
So…who’s gonna be at the Thomas Frank book signing tonight? I’m planning on it, but plans could change depending on some things during the day. Hope to see some of you there!
“Oh, and maybe accepting that no one needs to be wrong” — Ms. Inks.
You mean hogs do drive?
KFG, I have to say something,when you use the term preznit I crack up. I have a mental image of this little insect in a 3 piece suit scurrying along the baseboards,saying “I’m in charge,I’m in charge”. Was that your intent?
hehehe
Sorry Farm girl,
I uh, . . won’t be able to make it tonight. . .I’ve got . . . uh, got to, uh . . . scheduled to clip duck wings.
Maybe next time.
You mean hogs do drive?
Of course they do, but only when they aren’t flying.
Freebird – hang in there – ODAT!
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/49538.html
Key U.S. Iraq strategy in danger of collapse
Pakastani blasts, who knew the bad guys were in Pakistan?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080821/ts_nm/pakistan_violence_dc_7
I look for a ‘cleansing’ in Iraq as soon as we leave.
farmgrll, are you serious? are you maybe coming to town? I had an email from Steven about the signing and thought it sounded like a good idea, but you coming to town sounds even better! kewl!
I have a question. If U.S. Iraq strategy is in danger of collapse does that mean the surge IS working or NOT? I understand the differences between military and political progress, but with everyone claiming something different as success it is confusing. I still don’t know what success is supposed to be! Another question. If “things” however defined aren’t going well in Iraq is this an advantage or disadvantage to McCain?
The issue Ben linked to, to me, looks like a failure both politically and militarily on the part of the Iraqis. As to the surge working or not, I think this situation is mutually exclusive. This is an Iraqi problem alone. The only success I measure in Iraq is the ability of the US to draw down US troop strength and bring kids home – safely. As to helping or hurting either candidate, I am unsure. I am betting it will come down to spin control.
My two cents.
Sol as I have said on many occasions I want the families of every troop over there to experience the joy when my son came home 5 yrs ago,sadly over 4000 families will never no that joy. It’s time for the Iraqis to fish or cut bait. As long as our troops out of there I could really give less than a rat’s ass what the Iraqis do. And for war hawks, Don’t even bring up the domino theory,didn’t happen in Viet Nam aint gonna happen now.
I apologize Free, but you sounded an awful lot like a person who used to post on another board, and denied being racist till the day Obama was nominated, and then went on a racist tirade. He was always and forever defending the confederate flag.
Sol, read Ben’s link as well. Looks like there were promises made to the Sunnis by the U.S. troops concerning employment with Iraqi security forces that were not within the agreement to hire no more than 20% of the militias’ forces into the security forces. This, it appears, is both the fault of the U.S. and the Iraqis.
From the link:
But the Iraqi government, which is led by Shiite Muslims, has brought only a relative handful of the more than 100,000 militia members into the security forces. Now officials are making it clear that they don’t intend to include most of the rest.
“We cannot stand them, and we detained many of them recently,” said one senior Iraqi commander in Baghdad, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the issue. “Many of them were part of al Qaida despite the fact that many of them are helping us to fight al Qaida.”
He said the army was considering setting a Nov. 1 deadline for those militia members who hadn’t been absorbed into the security forces or given civilian jobs to give up their weapons. After that, they’d be arrested, he said.
Some militia members say that such a move would force them into open warfare with the government again.
The Iraqis still haven’t learned to play nice with each other. There is a lot we can do over there, but forcing them to play nice just isn’t going to happen.
Ergo I see this as a political/military issue that falls squarely on the shoulders of the Iraqis.
Sol, in the larger picture, it is indeed a political issue that falls upon the shoulders of the Iraqis. However, as i read the article, at least a part of the problem with the program was the U.S. promises of employment by the Iraqi government; promises that the U.S. could not keep.
Hell I’m toying with the idea of voting for him and that whirring sound you hear in the background is my 60 year straight repulican voting granpa spinning in his grave
I see the US as playing a part. In offering them the $300 a month and a job, I believe that might have kept them on the ‘correct’ side and not fighting for alqaeda. There seems to be no rational reason for the Iraqis not to hire them. They are using religious bias. Something the US cannot control. It should be condemned and the Iraqis need to find compromise less the nation stay rifted on religious bias.
Pmom,I’ve been known to jump to a conclusion once or twice in my 55 years,don’t sweat it,over and done with. Something I’ve learned from Bill W.
BTW I worked as an Emt back in 79-81
Hank,Ty I’ve got a beautiful 18month old grandson and 2 fantastic kids a27 year old son,who is waiting to hear if he is going to be one of Wichitas newest firefighters and a daughter who is in recovery with me albeit she has been at it longer. Guess the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree
Freebird1971-
Congratulations to all, and good luck to the newbie
Listening to a song by Steppenwolf called “Monster” it was written some 30 yrs ago but the words describe what is going on in this country today. If you never listened to give it a listen, shows those that don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
Freebird – grandkids are a joy … and often a second chance …
And belive me I’m taking advantage of that chance.
Well the only negative comment I have received about my recovery( a deadly serious matter to me) has been from Fleetwood. I know now why is also known as BDP,a title he earned.
Freebird1971- Fleetwood is also known as “the Human Doorstop(Professional)”.
Well at least he’s employed
Maybe troops going to Iraq should get one of these implants.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080821/wl_nm/mexico_crime_chips_dc_2
He’s doing the be ts he can; it’s just that he craps too close to the house!
( a deadly serious matter to me)
AMEN!
Free–
It is encouraging to know you take recovery in a deadly serious way..because it is. A very close friend of mine didn’t take it seriously…he died December 28, 2003, alone, in a rented trailer after losing his wife, his home, and his job.
“And belive me I’m taking advantage of that chance” — Freebird
Uh! Do you know where I can get some pot?
A cognitive distortion that some here could benefit from considering its applicability to them:
9. Being Right: You are continually on trial to prove that you are right. Being wrong is unthinkable and you will go to any length to demonstrate your rightness.
Opinions which are based on claimed fact, can be wrong.
There is nothing wrong with telling someone that they are wrong.
When you have two opposing opinions based on facts which both can’t be true, then someone has to be wrong.
We are talking about basic logic and argument 101 here.
There is only one poster I know of who never admits he is wrong and that is Chas.
BEBER, WTF are you talking about?
Does Thomas Frank have a new book out?
Where is he signing? Time?
I wonder if he’d mind signing a used book…
Steven, is there one applicable to not being able to differentiate between fact and opinion?
Pre, Watermark Books, Douglas and Oliver, 7 p.m. New book is titled, The Wrecking Crew and I understand he will be reading from the new one.
Linda,
When your opinion is based on a fact or asserts a fact then that fact can be wrong.
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StevenEDavis
Posted August 21, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
A cognitive distortion that some here could benefit from considering its applicability to them:
9. Being Right: You are continually on trial to prove that you are right. Being wrong is unthinkable and you will go to any length to demonstrate your rightness.
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Good advice.
Keep reading what you wrote Steven Davis and get back to me when you come to conclusion that you don’t follow your own advice.
Beber, unlike you, out grew smoking pot more than 25 years ago,it was the drinking that was my downfall.
Facts are the same for everyone, opinions vary widely.
We’ve been over this many times. I suggest we agree to disagree.
Nathaniel what I was getting at was why on this blog there can’t be a civil discourse that ends with we will agree to disagree.
“I know now why is also known as BDP,a title he earned.”
I’ll drink to that!
Thank you for showing your glaring ignorance and stupidity.,thank God it’s on your side of the street and not mine. I bet you have a ball making fun of Special Olympians
Fleet,
Here is something you should really take to hear,Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
hear=heart
But you have to remember:
“Two heads are not better than one if both are stupid.”
–Eagle Opinion Line
What’s the old joke: If you think you are arguing with an idiot, make sure it isn’t you.
Dennis
Blue Jay,
Since I didn’t see you mention it I thought I’d bring up the fact that Gene Upshawhead of the NFL players union died.
“Here is something you should really take to hear”
Good one. Bottoms up!
Linda,
The truth of a fact will be the same for everyone, but everyones “opinion” on the truth of certain facts is not the same.
If we agree to disagree, then one of us is wrong.
We both can’t be right. The very fact that one of us is wrong and we both can’t be right proves my point.
I think the problem here is that you claim everything you say is just your opinion, even though the things you say are based on facts which can be and often are wrong.
So when anyone ever says that what you said is wrong, you try to claim it is your opinion and you can’t be wrong.
It is a never ending circular argument. Just a cop out so you never have to defend anything you say or assert here.
“Beber, unlike you, out grew smoking pot more than 25 years ago,it was the drinking that was my downfall.”
Do you understand what you just said Freebird?
I would suggest that if you don’t, your recovery isn’t going to be a long one.
It is my opinion that 1 + 1 = 3.
Opinions can never be wrong!
Nathaniel, You can be right! I don’t even like interacting with you. When I feel like being with a child I go spend time with my grandchildren. So, will it help if I say I AM WRONG, YOU ARE RIGHT — every time you want anyone to be wrong — I AM WRONG! Repeat it every time you need to, I will back it up!
Hey, everyone! Nathaniel is RIGHT, I am WRONG!
“Hey, everyone! Nathaniel is RIGHT, I am WRONG!”
Good for you, linda. Come get your plaque.
Do I get one each time? I’m wrong often. I can’t afford to buy a bunch of houses to hold my many plaques.
Yeah right Linda, real convincing.
“Do I get one each time?”
That would be a no. These are very special.
Everybody wants one, few succeed.
Teleprompting Obama
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13742
“He just locks down and can’t get the words out,” says one political consultant. “For such a fine speaker, it’s really quite remarkable that he’s had issues.”
Obama’s troubles with unscripted moments contributed to his campaign’s refusal to participate in town hall format debates or discussions with Sen. John McCain, who feels much more comfortable in the unscripted moments.
Yellowdog My all time favorite is:
Practice makes perfect so if what you are doing is wrong – you are just perfectly wrong.
FROM STAN FINGER’S WEATHER BLOG @ KANSAS.COM
The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for July was the fifth-warmest since worldwide records began in 1880, according to an analysis by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
This year tied with 2001 and 2003 as the fifth-warmest July in 127 years.
Also, the seven months from January to July 2008 ranked as the ninth warmest seven-month period for combined average global land and ocean surface temperature.
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Let’s review, shall we–out of 127 years of keeping track, last month was the hottest overall July of all but four previous years July’s, putting it in the top 3 percent of hottest months of July.
Yup.
No global warming here. Nothing to see, folks, move along . . . Continue doing what you’ve always done–do more of it in fact. Don’t worry, be happy.
Fat.
Dumb.
And happy.
Little Barry does well with his teleprompter to read, maybe the dems should nominate the man that writes his words?
CapnAmerica,
So using only the same logic you are here, was it global warming the other 4 times in July that were hotter?
Seems like we survived the last 4 Global Warming periods all right.
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lindainks55
Posted August 21, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
Nathaniel, You can be right! I don’t even like interacting with you. When I feel like being with a child I go spend time with my grandchildren. So, will it help if I say I AM WRONG, YOU ARE RIGHT — every time you want anyone to be wrong — I AM WRONG! Repeat it every time you need to, I will back it up!
Hey, everyone! Nathaniel is RIGHT, I am WRONG!
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I’m sorry, but you’re wrong.
Even if you were right, you’d be wrong.
As opposed to be correct and incorrect.
Or substantiated and unsubstantiated.
Or verified versus unverified.
Or truth versus lie.
Or pepper versus salt.
Flower versus tree.
Mammal versus lizard.
Nathaniel
Posted August 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
It is my opinion that 1 + 1 = 3.
Uh, no, Nathan. It is your opinion that the earth is only 10,000 years old.
That makes you a science-denying idiot.
Well, Regular, you’ve taught me much! But what I did have figured out was that even if I was right, I would be wrong. ;-)
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CapnAmerica
Posted August 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink
FROM STAN FINGER’S WEATHER BLOG @ KANSAS.COM
The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for July was the fifth-warmest since worldwide records began in 1880, according to an analysis by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
This year tied with 2001 and 2003 as the fifth-warmest July in 127 years.
Also, the seven months from January to July 2008 ranked as the ninth warmest seven-month period for combined average global land and ocean surface temperature.
*****
Let’s review, shall we–out of 127 years of keeping track, last month was the hottest overall July of all but four previous years July’s, putting it in the top 3 percent of hottest months of July.
Yup.
No global warming here. Nothing to see, folks, move along . . . Continue doing what you’ve always done–do more of it in fact. Don’t worry, be happy.
Fat.
Dumb.
And happy.
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Yes, let’s average the sunshine we get daily and see if we can come up with an average sunshine report.
Or perhaps average all the primates in the world to see if we can get an average primate.
Perhaps Stan Finger and the Crapn is worried about that now declining average rise of 0.1 degree F per DECADE.
I’m not.
So using only the same logic you are here, was it global warming the other 4 times in July that were hotter?
*****
When the statistics show a clear trend, and they do, that the earth is getting warmer, then good stewards of the earth should do something about that.
But the ignorant people laughed at Noah too, didn’t they.
Trouble is, as the song goes,
God gave Noah a rainbow sign,
No more water but FIRE NEXT TIME.
Capn I can go out on the net and support any argument you want to give me. Fact is that we here are seeing a very mild summer. Denver just broke a 118 year record for the coldest August temp. I have never said we aren’t seeing a climate change. I can remember those in my life. Maybe you can’t. We used to ice skate on the Tucker ponds in my hometown every winter. Haven’t been able to for years. Last year they were frozen longer than anytime in the last few years.
Climate changes happen. Until I am shown absolute proof to the contrary I choose to believe that is what is happening now.
CapnAmerica,
And the fact that you keep bringing that up only makes you a liar. A deal breaker. Someone who can’t be trusted to keep his word. Not reliable. Untrustworthy.
We both agreed to no longer hassle each other by bringing up the religious badgering.
I have pointed this out to you several times now.
CapnAmerica,
Are you now admitting that you believe what the Bible says about Noah?
The fact that Reguliar denies Global Warming is as good a testiment as one could hope for that it’s real and serious.
UK Scientist: As Earth faces cooling, media exhibits ‘cognitive dissonance’
“Un experto de la Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico pronostico que en alrededor de diez anos la Tierra entrara a una `pequena era de hielo’ que durara de 60 a 80 anos y sera causada por la disminucion de la actividad solar.” [Milenio, August 16]
I must ask a very serious and urgent question of our media. Why do you continue to talk glibly about current climate `warming’ when it is now widely acknowledged that there has been no `global warming’ for the last ten years, a cooling trend that many think may continue for at least another ten years? How can you talk of the climate `warming’ when, on the key measures, it isn’t? And now a leading Mexican scientist is even predicting that we may enter another `Little Ice Age’ – a `pequena era de hielo’.
Such media behaviour exhibits a classic condition known as `cognitive dissonance’. This is experienced when belief in a grand narrative persists blindly even when the facts in the real world begin to contradict what the narrative is saying. Sadly, our media have come to have a vested interest in `global warming’, as have so many politicians and activists. They are terrified that the public may begin to question everything if climate is acknowledged, on air and in the press, not to be playing ball with their pet trope.
But that is precisely what is happening. Since 1998, according to all the main world temperature records, including the UK Met Office’s `HadCRUT3′ data set [a globally-gridded product of near-surface temperatures consisting of annual differences from 1961-90 normals], the world average surface temperature has exhibited no warming whatsoever. Indeed, the trend has been a combination of flat-lining and cooling, with a particularly marked plunge over the last few months. Many parts of the world, including Canada, China, and the US, have just experienced their worst winter in years (as is currently Australia), while skiing in Scotland has benefited from the trend, and the summit of Snowdon carried snow even up to the end of April.
To put it simply, since 1998, there has been no `global warming’, despite the fact that, during this same period, atmospheric CO2 has continued to rise, from c. 368 ppm by volume in 1998 to c. 384 ppmv in November, 2007. Moreover, another `greenhouse gas’, methane, has also been rising, following a period of relative stability, by about 0.5% between 2006 and 2007.
Of course, little can be gleaned from a short data run of only 10-years, a fact, I might add, which `global warming’ fanatics have too often failed to stress. Nevertheless, recent work demonstrates that the Earth’s temperature may stay roughly the same for at least a further decade through the workings of a phenomenon known as the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). The cause of this oscillation, which is related to the currents that bring warmth from the tropics to Europe, is not well understood, but the cycle appears to have an effect every 60 to 70 years. It may well prove to be part of the explanation as to why global mean temperatures rose in the early years of the 20th Century, before then starting to cool again in the late-1940s. Thus, according to the new model, cooling remains on the cards for another ten years at least, making a potential 20 years of cooling in all.
But the sun isn’t playing ball either. The big question is: “What has happened to Solar Cycle 24?” Solar-cycle intensity is measured by the maximum number of sunspots. These are dark blotches on the Sun that mark areas of heightened magnetic activity. The more sunspots there are, the more likely it is that major solar storms will occur, and these are related to warming on Earth; the fewer the sunspots, the more likely there is to be cooling. The next 11-year cycle of solar storms [Solar Cycle 24] was predicted to have begun in autumn, 2006, but it appears to have been delayed. It was then expected to take off in March last year, and to peak in late-2011, or mid-2012. But the Sun remains largely spotless, except for an odd fading spot. This delayed onset has somewhat confused the official Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Panel, leaving them evenly split as to whether a weak or a strong period of solar storms now lies ahead.
However, some other scientists are deeply concerned, including Phil Chapman, the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut, who comments: “Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.”
Chapman then explains why the absence of sunspots might exacerbate this cooling trend: “The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth’s climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790. Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon’s Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.” Thus, all the immediate signs and portents are pointing in the direction of a cooling period, not a warming one.
So, why are newspapers, magazines, radio, and television not telling us all this? Because they have invested so much effort over the last ten years in hyping up the exact opposite. Moreover, it is especially pathetic sophistry to claim, as dedicated `global warmers’ are wont to do, that `natural forces’ are having the temerity to “suppress” `global warming’. The fundamental point has always been this: climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor is as misguided as it gets.
And now a Mexican expert, Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera (National Autonomous University of Mexico), is warning that the Earth will enter a new `Little Ice Age’ for up to 80 years due to decreases in solar activity [see: `Auguran breve era del hielo en 2010', Milenio, August 16]. He describes the predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as “erroneous”.
If this cooling phase really does persist, it will be illuminating to observe how long our media can maintain its befuddled state of `cognitive dissonance’. Mind you, I jolly well hope that we aren’t entering a cooling period – it’s the very last thing we need! Give me warming any time. Brrrr!
Is that like the Gergen theory? Did you read this one?
McCain campaign guru Steve Schmidt in today’s Washington Post:
Nonetheless, Schmidt says he won’t allow the campaign to get thrown off by momentary distractions and pundits shooting from the hip. To that end, he and his colleagues have developed what they jokingly call the “Dave Gergen theory of the campaign” — a metaphor for all talking heads.
Gergen, a veteran of four presidential administrations, is a frequent pundit on cable news. If senior members of the campaign disagree on a strategic move, they watch what Gergen has to say. They then do the opposite.
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/08/the_gergen_theory.html
CapnAmerica,
Again, using your logic, the fact that you proclaim that Global warming is a problem we are both responsible for and can fix only proves that it is neither.
Yellowdog My all time favorite is:
Practice makes perfect so if what you are doing is wrong – you are just perfectly wrong.
–
Good one. I’ll put it in the act.
Dennis
Hey guys…might as well give it up, capn doesn’t care about facts.
Hey Capn.!
How’s that catastrophic summer Arctic ice melt going this summer? Did July finish it off? Are the drowned polar bears washing up on the shore?
Oh, never mind. That didn’t happen.
hehehehe
beber…of all the disgusting things you have said on this blog, the one to Freebird about his recovery not being a long one is by far the lowest. You have absolutely no basis for that comment, you have no business or insight into his recovery, and you damn sure are not one to be judging him.
I thought you were just disgusting before. I was wrong, you are much lower than disgusting.
Supply concerns send oil surging
Oil prices have passed $122 a barrel on geopolitical worries after a missile shield deal between Poland and the US.
The US has sealed an agreement to station parts of its missile defence shield on Polish territory, to the annoyance of key oil exporter Russia.
US light crude added more than $6 to $122.02 a barrel, while London Brent crude saw similar gains to $120.86.
Russia’s links with the West have been under strain after its recent military intervention in Georgia.
“There’s a myriad of geopolitical factors rumbling in the background – Russia, Iran,” said Tony Machacek of Bache Commodities, alluding to the continuing dispute over Iran’s nuclear plans.
“Also the dollar is weaker,” he added.
When the dollar weakens investors tend to place their money in commodities, including oil and metals, because they are seen as a safe alternative.
In addition when the greenback falls in value it makes commodities relatively cheaper to buy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7574409.stm
Global Warming Skeptics Prominently Featured At International Scientific Meeting
Indian Scientist Mocks Nobel Prize Award to Gore
A major international scientific conference prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. The International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists’ equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Oslo, Norway, from August 4-14.
[The conference was criticized by the activists at RealClimate.org (who apparently are threatened by any challenges to their version of `consensus' on global warming science) for being too balanced and allowing skeptical scientists to have a forum. RealClimate's Rasmus E. Benestad lamented on August 19 that the actual scientific debate during the conference "seemed to be a step backwards towards confusion rather than a progress towards resolution." ]
During the Geologic conference, Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia of the Center of Advanced Study in Geology at Punjab University and a visiting scholar of the Geology Department at University of Cincinnati, openly ridiculed former Vice President Al Gore and the UN IPCC’s coveted Nobel Peace Prize. [An online video of an August 8, 2008, conference climate change panel has been posted and is a must-see video for anyone desiring healthy scientific debate. See: HERE ]
“I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” Ahluwalia, a fellow of the Geological Society of India, said during a question and answer panel discussion.
Ahluwalia, who has authored numerous scientific studies in the fields of geology and paleontology, referred to the UN climate panel as the “elite IPCC.” “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds.”
Ahluwalia, a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet (http://www.yearofplanetearth.org) also criticized the promoters of man-made global warming fears for “drawing out exaggerated conclusions” and took the UN to task for failing to allow dissenting voices.
“When I put forward my points in the morning, some IPCC official got up to say that what I was [saying was] `nonsense.’ See, when we have that sort of attitude, that sort of dogma against a scientific observation that would not actually end up in very, very positive debate. We should maintain our sense of proportion, maintain our sense of objectivity, allow a discussion — not have fixed mindset about global warming,” he said to applause from the members.
Panel participants at the August 8 debate included skeptical Physicist Dr. Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Centre and Paleoclimate scientist Dr. Bob Carter of Australia’s James Cook University, former chairman of the earth science panel of the Australian Research Council, who has published numerous peer-reviewed papers and is an outspoken dissenter of Gore and the UN IPCC’s climate claims.
Prominent scientist Professor Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, a leading world authority on sea levels and coastal erosion who headed the Department of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics at Stockholm University, was also on hand during the panel’s question and answer session.
A Canadian paleoclimatolgist/sedimentary geologist openly dissented from UN IPCC views during the panel’s Q & A session. “I think the scientific community is putting way too much faith on these models, especially given the fact that they have not been able to predict 5-day weather forecasts yet and weather systems are simpler than the climate, and every 5 days they have a chance to test the model and improve it,” the Canadian scientist said. [ At 43:30 and 44:35 of online video]
“A lot of the predictions made by modelers and models do not match very well to the longer term geologic record and even more scary, most atmospheric scientists are not aware of that,” he explained.
Another scientist stood up to a key question about the recent global cooling trend. “We know temperature goes up and down, we know there is tremendous amount of natural variations, but for how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand — we politicians and scientists– that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?” the scientist asked to applause from the audience.
HLP asks, “How’s that catastrophic summer Arctic ice melt going this summer?”
Gee, I dunno, Hank.
But if I wanted to know, I wouldn’t take the word of someone so obtuse as to seriously believe the earth is only 10,000 years old.
If you can deny that basic scientific fact, you can deny anything.
I don’t know about the age of the earth, Capn., it’s not as important to me as it seems to be to you.
I’m not sure it’s really 10,000 years old. Logic and common sense would indicate that it’s not much older than 8,000 years.
O.K. children; here’s the bottom line on global warming. Do human-created gasses lead to warmer temperatures? There’s no other question. That’s all global warming is. Short-term or even long-term cycles are meaningless. Do gases created by humans cause the planet to hold more heat than it would otherwise? That’s it. No other point counts. I think the answer is “yes,” but only because all the science magazines I subscribe to say “yes.” The only research I do is putting my toe in the water.
Whether the poles freeze over or not, how many cool days their are in Anchorage, what the temperature in Siberia was over the past 10,000 years and measurements taken from cave formations are just red herrings
On a lighter note, think we’ll get a thread on little Barry’s baby brother?
I think a ‘Kenya connection’ would be a valuable asset to a sitting president!
notice how capn doesn’t bother answering a direct question but puts up a smokescreen instead? very adept at spinning, that boy is…
What kinds of changes are taking place in the Arctic now?
Average temperatures in the Arctic region are rising twice as fast as they are elsewhere in the world. Arctic ice is getting thinner, melting and rupturing. For example, the largest single block of ice in the Arctic, the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf, had been around for 3,000 years before it started cracking in 2000. Within two years it had split all the way through and is now breaking into pieces.
The polar ice cap as a whole is shrinking. Images from NASA satellites show that the area of permanent ice cover is contracting at a rate of 9 percent each decade. If this trend continues, summers in the Arctic could become ice-free by the end of the century.
http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/qthinice.asp
*****
At this site, you can see how much arctic ice has shrunk since 1979.
But who are you going to believe? Satellite photographs or the guy who thinks the earth is younger than a creasote bush . . .
“Logic and common sense would indicate that it’s not much older than 8,000 years.”
“Common sense is not so common.”
Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764)
Not to worry Capn. The world continues to cool.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSLK28742520080820?sp=true
CapnAmerica,
I see that you still continue to persist in badgering people about the age of the earth when it has nothing to do with the subject.
Where are all the cries from the left asking him to stop?
Now if I were pestering Chas about his being a Christian, I would have about half a dozen bloggers asking me to stop.
Nevermind the fact that CapnAmerica is still breaking the deal he made with me.
pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2008/may/science/ee_arctic.html
Last summer’s sea ice shrank to a record minimum of 1.6 million square miles, the lowest since satellite observations began in 1979. Although unusually sunny weather contributed to that record-breaking loss, the researchers say, similar conditions in past years did not appear to cause the same effect.
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The findings suggest that sunny weather could accelerate further Arctic sea-ice loss. In a warmer world, Kay says, thinner ice is more sensitive to sunshine levels. As ice shrinks, darker water is exposed, and it absorbs the sun’s radiation instead of reflecting it, creating a positive feedback loop.
The extent of Arctic sea ice has been declining at a rate of nearly 8% per decade since 1953. A previous study (Geophys. Res. Lett. 2007, 34, L09501), led by Julienne Stroeve of NCAR, attributed part of that trend to increases in human-made greenhouse gases.
*****
dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/01/02/arctic-ice-melt.html
In 2007, summer sea ice in the Arctic shrank to about four million square kilometers (2.4 million square miles), a 23 percent decrease from the previous record low of 5.3 million square kilometers in 2005.
A second study, also in Nature, meanwhile, shows that the capacity of vegetation to absorb carbon dioxide (CO2) appears to be ebbing, with potentially serious consequences for global warming.
*****
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7461707.stm
Arctic sea ice melt ‘even faster’
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website
A widespread Arctic melt would have major impacts on wildlife
Arctic sea ice is melting even faster than last year, despite a cold winter.
Data from the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) shows that the year began with ice covering a larger area than at the beginning of 2007.
But now it is down to levels seen last June, at the beginning of a summer that broke records for sea ice loss.
Scientists on the project say much of the ice is so thin as to melt easily, and the Arctic seas may be ice-free in summer within five to 10 years.
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Yup. When faced with massive data that sea ice is melting, just say it’s not melting.
Long story short, problem solved.
Fat.
Dumb.
Happy.
Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered
Despite the best that the crooks at the National Snow and Ice Data Center could do
Just a few weeks ago, predictions of Arctic ice collapse were buzzing all over the internet. Some scientists were predicting that the “North Pole may be ice-free for first time this summer”. Others predicted that the entire “polar ice cap would disappear this summer”.
The Arctic melt season is nearly done for this year. The sun is now very low above the horizon and will set for the winter at the North Pole in five weeks. And none of these dire predictions have come to pass. Yet there is, however, something odd going on with the ice data.
The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado released an alarming graph on August 11, showing that Arctic ice was rapidly disappearing, back towards last year’s record minimum. Their data shows Arctic sea ice extent only 10 per cent greater than this date in 2007, and the second lowest on record.
The problem is that this graph does not appear to be correct. Other data sources show Arctic ice having made a nice recovery this summer. NASA Marshall Space Flight Center data shows 2008 ice nearly identical to 2002, 2005 and 2006. Maps of Arctic ice extent are readily available from several sources, including the University of Illinois, which keeps a daily archive for the last 30 years. A comparison of these maps (derived from NSIDC data) below shows that Arctic ice extent was 30 per cent greater on August 11, 2008 than it was on the August 12, 2007. (2008 is a leap year, so the dates are offset by one.)
The video below highlights the differences between those two dates. As you can see, ice has grown in nearly every direction since last summer – with a large increase in the area north of Siberia. Also note that the area around the Northwest Passage (west of Greenland) has seen a significant increase in ice. Some of the islands in the Canadian Archipelago are surrounded by more ice than they were during the summer of 1980.
The 30 per cent increase was calculated by counting pixels which contain colors representing ice. This is a conservative calculation, because of the map projection used. As the ice expands away from the pole, each new pixel represents a larger area – so the net effect is that the calculated 30 per cent increase is actually on the low side.
So how did NSIDC calculate a 10 per cent increase over 2007? Their graph appears to disagree with the maps by a factor of three (10 per cent vs. 30 per cent) – hardly a trivial discrepancy. What melts the Arctic?
The Arctic did not experience the meltdowns forecast by NSIDC and the Norwegian Polar Year Secretariat. It didn’t even come close. Additionally, some current graphs and press releases from NSIDC seem less than conservative. There appears to be a consistent pattern of overstatement related to Arctic ice loss.
We know that Arctic summer ice extent is largely determined by variable oceanic and atmospheric currents such as the Arctic Oscillation. NASA claimed last summer that “not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate in recent years are a result of long-term trends associated with global warming”. The media tendency to knee-jerkingly blame everything on “global warming” makes for an easy story – but it is not based on solid science.
And what of the Antarctic? Down south, ice extent is well ahead of the recent average. Why isn’t NSIDC making similarly high-profile press releases about the increase in Antarctic ice over the last 30 years?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/
Quit whining, Nathan.
I’m not talking about your religious views.
I’m talking about your native stupidity.
Nobody wants to hear your lame “but, but, but he promised!” over and over again.
Good afternoon Steven,
You asked for my credentials yesterday and when I gave you a short list you didn’t comment.
Do you concede that I am the ‘aircraft labor expert’? Or do you need more evidence?
CapnAmerica,
Pointing out that you are a liar is not me whining. Pointing out the Hypocrisy of many bloggers here is not me whining.
Perhaps you shouldn’t make a deal if you never had any intention of keeping your word.
I might add, that I still have continued to keep mine since we made that deal.
I could just as easily point out the “native stupidity” in what you believe as well.
This is what Hank conveniently left out:
Steven Goddard [the author of the original article] writes: “Dr. Walt Meier at NSIDC has convinced me this week that their ice extent numbers are solid. So why the large discrepancy between their graphs and the UIUC maps? I went back and compared UIUC maps vs. NASA satellite photos from the same dates last summer. It turns out that the older UIUC maps had underrepresented the amount of low concentration ice in several regions of the Arctic. This summer, their maps do not have that same error. As a result, UIUC maps show a much greater increase in the amount of ice this year than does NSIDC. And thus the explanation of the discrepancy.
“it is clear that the NSIDC graph is correct, and that 2008 Arctic ice is barely 10% above last year – just as NSIDC had stated.”
*****
This fits a pattern with Hank Price who also linked to very old and since discredited news stories to “prove” that weather monitoring trailers found in Iraq were “mobile weapons labs.”
The field reports and the final reports all concur that NO MOBILE WEAPONS LABS WERE FOUND IN IRAQ.
Bush knew this and he lied that they were “weapons labs.” Hank Price knew this and he lied too.
Stick with your story, Nathan.
You’re already scroll over terrority for a lot of readers here.
If you want to be ignored more than you already are, keep up the whining.
It’s just beyond you isn’t it? man-caused global warming has nothing to do with the temperature of the earth It doesn’t matter how much ice there is in the Artic, it doesn’t matter if glaciers are growing or shrinking, it doesn’t matter if the city of Tuscon dries up and blows away, it doesn’t matter if the world is cooling down or heating up. The only question remains as I have stated above.
Yup, Berber.
This seems to be the new tack the right is taking on global warming. For about 20 years now, they claimed that global warming wasn’t happening.
Unfortunately for that argument, the facts are piling up pretty decisively for the other side.
So . . . the right-wing shifts gears and says, okay, there is “global climate change, sure, but we’re not responsible for it.”
Fat.
Dumb.
Happy.
“Bush knew this and he lied that they were “weapons labs.””
That is a very serious charge. I would say impeachable. Wonder why the dems didn’t impeach?
That’s a much more serious charge than lieing to a grand jury.
So what, beber? It’s the damn global warming alarmists that yell wolf every time a monkey farts! Why do you think arctic ice is an issue? The goracle’s soldiers in the warming wars predicted it would be gone this summer.
Just pointing out their foolishness. Hell, most of the latent heat in the earth is caused by the moon!
The fact that Congressional dems are gutless maggots has nothing to do with the clear evidence that Bush got reports stating that the “mobile weapons labs” were not mobile weapons labs and yet he continued to claim that they were for two years.
Besides, lying to the American people is not illegal.
careful, HLP….capn might PUT YOU ON IGNORE!!!! (ooooh nooooo….how awful!!).
Reminds me of the Eddie Murphy character in the first Beverly Hills Cop movie..where he put his fingers in his ears and was yelling loudly “LA LA LA LA LA..I DONT” HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA”
sorta childish, doncha think?
“Do you concede that I am the ‘aircraft labor expert’? Or do you need more evidence?”
Sorry Hank, I missed it entirely, will go back and look for it. My excuses: real life, a wife, and the Olympics.
We’re headed to WW3. Guaranteed. For those who still think Russia is the aggressor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRMFwXGBMfI
John McCain, upon hearing a woman say that we should reinstate the draft because we don’t have enough soldiers, says
I don’t disagree with anything you said.
It’s one, two, three
What are we fighting for
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn
Next stop is old Iran . . .
Hank in the interest of saving me from having to scroll over thousands of MaxG’s post, please tell me what thread that was on. Thanks.
Raptor,
Just because Capn A. calls you a troll, it is not obligatory for you to start acting like one. An honest tip from someone who thinks you might be above that sort of thing. But, I could be wrong.
Relax Pleef. We aren’t headed to WWIII.
Russia certainly is the aggressor now. Their response has long gone past proportional.
I’m sure that they were grateful for an excuse to invade their neighbor.
Nope, this is big. And Russia is in the right (no matter how much this miserable media of ours demonizes them). Nazi’s (and not just some arbitrary name calling) are in our White House, you’ll see pretty damned soon.
I heard today that Texas is SO dry…. that – regarding baptisms — the Baptists have taken to sprinkling… the Methodists are using wet wash rags…. and the Presbyterians and Lutherans are giving out rainchecks…
Never mind, Hank. Goggled, HLP, aircraft, and blog and found it. There still was a lot of stuff to scroll through. I will repost your post here:
HLP
Posted August 20, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink
Hey Steven,
I’ve worked for Beech in the past. Here is a short list of my qualifications:
I’ve worked as a blue collar worker on the line in avionics.
I’ve worked as a non-exempt employee as a technical writer for their target missle program.
I’ve worked at the plant for Raytheon Service Company out of Andover, Mass as a contract laborer, a logisticts engineer working on the TTTS proposal.
I’ve worked for Learjet as a technical writer.
I’ve worked for Learjet as the customer laison concerning technical and repair manual requirements.
During this time I have also been a member of the Machinist’s Union.
I’ve worked as a freelance consultant to Cessna Management.
For the past 22 years in my capacity as office manager for my wife I’ve worked with union officials, HR offices and insurance company provider relations for all the aircraft companies concerning their health care programs.
My wife is the medical director for Health Care America, a nationwide PPO. I am a consultant for them. we have helped write benefit packages that were acceptable to both labor and management.
I am familiar with all the health care programs for all the aircraft companies, presently and for the past twenty years.
I am not a bitter, hateful unemployed former union hack, therefore I have the ability to approach these matters with an open mind.
*****
I would say you have rich and uniquely varied work experience in aircraft. I can’t refute your claims of expertise and I was not intending to.
My father who is now 74 went to work at Cessna in 1952, making $1.10 an hour. He thought that was good money.
One of my dad’s hobbies is building houses, he lives in them upon completion. He has not had a house payment since 1965. When my mom went to work, he started investing in the bond market, his entire check and the family lived off of mom’s check. My dad has well over $1 million in fairly liquid assests. I am very grateful that I don’t have to worry about my mom and dad’s future. Aircraft and my father’s good judgement with money are important contributors to my gratitude.
“I don’t disagree with anything you said.”
Out of context crap.
Find one place where he REALLY says he supports the draft.
You will not find it.
http://www.eyeon08.com/2007/03/30/mccain-said-no-to-draft-in-nh/
It’s Murtha who wants the draft, not McCain.
MCCAIN: I don‘t think we need to think of the draft again because I don‘t think it makes sense in a whole variety of ways.
“My wife is the medical director for Health Care America, a nationwide PPO.”
Is that company the same as HCA? That company that was started by the Republican senator who was also a physician. He was head of the Senate during Bush’s first term – cannot, for the life of me, remember his name. Senility is a comfort that should not be wasted on someone as young as me.
Yeah, but that’s what McCain said before he agreed that we needed a draft.
This guy flips and flops so much, you need a road map just to figure out where he is on any given Thursday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI
Here, you can see McCain basically promising we’ll be fighting another war soon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
An abandoned newborn girl, found in a tote bag on a street corner in Hempstead Village, NY late Monday after a woman’s 911 call, is at Winthrop-University Hospital in excellent condition. Police are seeking information about the mother of Baby Hope, who will surely face felony child abandonment and misdemeanor child endangerment charges.
Under New York’s Safe Haven law of 2000, an unharmed infant up to 5 days old can be legally abandoned with no questions or penalty with “an appropriate person or in a suitable location.” This does not include bags dumped on street corners, however, even with an anonymous phone call.
Hey Steven,
Sorry, took a nap and washed the puppy since my last post.
Your dad sounds like a winner! Have you ever read the “Millionaire Next Door”? If you haven’t, I’ll try and find my copy for you. (I owe you one)
It’s about 10 years old now but it sounds like your dad read it back in 1954!
“Yeah, but that’s what McCain said before he agreed that we needed a draft.”
You people predicted this same thing four years ago.
FAIL!
No, Steven, I’m sorry, she’s the medical director for FHA, Family Health America. I got my initials confused, I’m an old guy.
FHA is a nationwide PPO with around 12,000 providers. She works a lot with the credentialing process.
HCA is Hospital Corporation of America, Tennessee, Bill Frist. Big money.
thanks for the thought, Steve..but I don’t care on what capn thinks. However, I am not sure I understand the application of the word “troll”..honest. I have seen it thrown around here quite often, and not really sure of the context.
Regardless, I think capn’s over the top, unsubstantiaed rhetorical is childish histeria, and every now and then I take the opportunity to prove it. You gotta admit..he makes himself a very easy target with his outlandish statements.
Anyway…I do appreciate your thoughts and especially your means of conveying them..clearly stated without animosity…thanks!
long day..can’t spell “hysteria” or “rhetoric”. going to go watch the Olympics…
Parkay, at least she called someone. Those baby stations have led to arrests, so don’t give me that women should feel safe blah blah. And only 5 days? Should be ever. More of your policies in action.
“Those baby stations have led to arrests,…”
How many?
Somebody sent McCain some free cocaine and he’s bitching about it.
“(CBS) John McCain’s campaign office in Denver, Colorado, has received a letter containing a threat and “an amount of white powder in it,” a McCain campaign spokesman told CBS News’ Michelle Levi.”
Wichita Launches City Manager Search
Date: August 20, 2008
Contact: Communications Team
Phone: (316) 268-4351
Finalists for the Wichita City Manager job will likely be announced in 60 days, according to Bob Slavin’s executive search firm. The firm will select five finalists from a group of 10 to 15 semi-finalists who will be identified over the next month.
“I envision those on the short list will be made public,” Slavin said on Wednesday during his first meeting with the City Manager Citizens Committee at City Hall, 455 N. Main.
“We need to protect people so they can stay in the process comfortably.”
Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer thanked the committee members for their commitment to the search process. He said they’re helping fill a coveted job in a city with a strong economy, a vibrant downtown and a lot of promise. Slavin, who conducted Wichita’s City Manager search in 2004, cited Wichita’s quality of life, saying Wichita is the kind of city people move to and decide to stay.
The Citizens Committee is charged with helping screen candidates. The committee is headed by Misty Bruckner, the Community Outreach Coordinator for Wichita State University’s Hugo Wall School of Urban and Public Affairs.
Following are other committee members, appointed by the Wichita City Council: Joe Johnson, Kathy Dittmer, Cindy Claycomb, Austin Kinzle, Frank Bergquist, Ray Frederick, Ben Sciortino, Peter Salmeron, Kevin Myles, Greg Ferris, George Laham, Bill Warren, Wess Galyon, Susan Pompeo and Gwynne Birzer.
The next City Manager will succeed interim City Manager Scott Moore who has served as interim since July 14. The City Manager, who reports to the seven-member Council, oversees 3,100 employees, a $500 million annual budget and a $2.4 billion Capital Improvement Program.
Ok ya’ll (ladies) I’ve got a favor to ask. I just found out my husband has to work tomorrow, and I can’t drive right after my shots for 1 hour. If anyone is interested in having lunch with me, and picking me up- I’d buy!
And yes Chas, I’d like to meet you there!
I figure…
If this Beech strike goes on for another week or so, I’ll be able to pick up a quality ski boad for about 25 cents on the dollar.
BE STRONG MY UNION BROTHERS!
boat
(all this excitement….)
Sure, PMom. Email me when I need to be where.
fleettwood
Posted August 21, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
“I don’t disagree with anything you said.”
Out of context crap.
Find one place where he REALLY says he supports the draft.
You will not find it.
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Ummmm….. That has been on ALL of the news channels…. and all over the Radio, since yesterday, when he said those exact words, in Las Cruces, NM….
Go to MSNBC, OR CNN…. search McCain and New Mexico…. It’s there!!
This is just one hospital; this is a major reason for high medical costs and hospital/clinics closures.
You need to see this before it is taken off the Internet!
This is your Tax $$$$$$$$$$ at work.
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=6587
McCain — Draft
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25393482#26338573
So Raptor unike Beber you understood that quitting pot is/was a lot easier for me than quitting drinking. Let him think what he wants,I really do give a damn what some sophmoric idiot has to say. I’m doing what is right for me so with him its mind over matter,I don’t mind because he doesn’t matter. I know that my recovery is the #1 priority in my life and no one is going to stand in my way of ther path I’m on
hang in there Freebird. I am told that the difficulty is tobacco harder than alcohol harder than pot. Stick with your #1 priority. It will be hard but keep in mind that a lot more of us (left or right) and ON your side than against you. As I recall Hank was one of those to whom you apologized the other day. I know Hank and I think he will agree with e that everything is forgotten – not just forgiven. And I am sure that my ‘right-wing’ friend will join me in wishing you well.
But, tomorrow, we just might rip into you! :)
You wopn’t be getting a cherry,I was in the military for 6 years I’ve been ripped by professionals
Oh Freebird, you don’t understand a friggin’ thing. You said you “grew out” of pot and alcohol was your problem. As if you matured or something. Whatever, it was a form of denial, which alcohol is the drug of. So unless you can learn to recognize denial, you don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of beating the old alkie. I know it was an offhand remark, because you felt insulted or something because of my joke. Gawd, I feel like I’m writing for a woman’s magazine.
But really, do you know where I can get some pot? Probably someone at the AA meeting can tell you.
Who the fvck do yu think you are taking my inventory? This is no laughing matter to me as I said befor no sphmoric moron like you is going to stand in my way. Talk to me when someone buys you a frickin clue
Good reply freebird!
:)
Both to beber and to me. ;)
Like I said, Freebird, you don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell. You don’t even know what your problem is. Your reaction is so alcoholic I can smell the whiskey from here. Get some mushrooms for Christ sakes, and a good guide. You’ll see the path if you’re lucky. I am not your enemy. You are.
“Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.” — the constitution.
Bill Clinton could legally be elected vice president and serve every day of Obama’s term if something happened to Obama. I wonder what the country’s reaction would be?
beber – it WOULD be interesting …
FYI I never drank Whiskey, To quote “full Metal Jacket” “the best part of you ran down the crack of your momma’s ass and became a bown stain on the mattress
To change the subject beber,When did that become active? Do you know who introduced it? Interesting scenario and to take it a step further,he could also have Hillary as his VP
Hey Beber let’s call a truce because we are never going to agree and I do apologize for the brown stain comment,it was totally out of line and uncalled for
That would be the speaker of the house. In 1951.
You know nothing Beber…you sound just like a dry drunk. Or maybe you’re just a drunk.
You don’t have to take shit from anyone, Freebird.
Mary with all due repsect, I’m a drunk just not a practicing one. I will be a drunk until the day I die.
Yep, just another one of God’s drunks.
Mary, AS I have stated earlier nothing or no one is going to stand in my way. With me it’s literally a matter of life or death
There are a lot of them on this board.
FYI Beber the reason I’m so serious about this is I am in the beginning stages of cirhossis(sp)of the liver,so think or say what you will the only hope I have of staying alive is staying in recovery
Freebird – signing off for the night – tomorrow is gonna be a long day. As Mary corectly says – you don’t have to take crap from anyone. Just keep repeating the Serenity Prayer.
What a fantastic evening!
I went to hear Thomas Frank tell about his new book and a meetup broke out.
Good to have a meetup without the cons to drag it down. And I wonder if some ears were burning here?
Heh.
What a coincidence! At the Thomas Frank book signing this evening at the bookstore on east Douglas about eight to ten WE Bloggers showed up. It was great seeing everybody. And at least two were in the book signing line who I didn’t get to talk to. Ksfarmgrrl got the award for driving the longest distance to get here to Wichita. Lindainks, relatively new WE Blogger, seemed to recognize everybody and get them together. Thanks Linda.
And not just blog friends. But a whole ROOM full of good progressive thinkers.
It was good to hear people speak in words of more than one or two syllables and express thoughts not centered on money or religion or persecution.
Gotta do that again some time.
Ya, but can we leave out the kinky stuff . . . like that thing with the armadilldo was way out of line:-)
Where did you disappear to JWink? Several of us stopped for coffee and laughs. Don’t disappear so quickly next time.
Thomas Frank was interesting! I could have listened to him speak a lot longer! What a crowd he drew! standing room only.
JMW — I just knew you were having more fun than the rest of us! ;-)
BlueJay
Posted August 21, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink
What a fantastic evening!
I went to hear Thomas Frank tell about his new book and a meetup broke out.
Good to have a meetup without the cons to drag it down. And I wonder if some ears were burning here?
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Why would anyone from the conservative or moderate view want to go hear Thomas Frank?
Frank should stick to historical fact rather than trying to reinventing it.
Hey Steven? Thanks again. Really.
Yeah James and you should try reading books instead of stacking them up to hold your snack tray.
(J R laughs to himself)
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BlueJay
Posted August 21, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink
Yeah James and you should try reading books instead of stacking them up to hold your snack tray.
(J R laughs to himself)
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Always with the personal attacks.
No wonder everyone thinks your a loser.
Heh you don’t want to KNOW what “everyone” or at least a unanimous informal meet up thinks YOU are there James.
Maybe there’s hope for America yet?
Slim majority want politics and religion separate.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080821/pl_nm/usa_religion_politics_dc_2
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BlueJay
Posted August 21, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink
Heh you don’t want to KNOW what “everyone” or at least a unanimous informal meet up thinks YOU are there James.
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Yes gossip circles are interesting and usually filled with attacks on people they don’t really know and have never met.
Gossip is for the weak and weak-minded.
Huh James?
…we had a little impromptu meetup and talked about those that weren’t there…
nyah nyah nyah
Welcome to middle school
Another day closer to victory.
J R,
You are always welcome, as are any who saw me tonight.
It is always better to think of us as felllow citizens, rather than enemies.
Love you all…
Guess who STILL cant sleep after the Frank Fest? My head was buzzing all the way home thinking about the things he said. I have some thoughts about it all (go figure) but cant quite get it all to jell. Anyway, it sure was good to see everyone.
““Common sense is not so common.”
Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764)
“It dont make not sense that common sense dont make no sense no more”.
John Prine, contemporary philosopher and musician
heheheheheheheh!
Oh, and Walker? The thing with the armadillo was good, but it was when the sheep, the midget, and the trampoline came into play that things REALLY got kinky!
“Oh, and Walker? The thing with the armadillo was good, but it was when the sheep, the midget, and the trampoline came into play that things REALLY got kinky!”
Damn, I knew I left too early.
Actually, regulator, it was the nic thing that was brought up more than anything. We were wondering why it seemed so necessary for many on the con side to have changed their names so often in the past. Like, nobody knew who was writing under nics? Please . . .
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Regular
Posted August 21, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
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BlueJay
Posted August 21, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink
Yeah James and you should try reading books instead of stacking them up to hold your snack tray.
(J R laughs to himself)
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Always with the personal attacks.
No wonder everyone thinks your a loser.
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Ya, like you never get personal? As in, “ate any good books lately, Walker?” You must be one of those “do as I say, not as I do” cons. No wonder everyone thinks your a loser.
Thanks for the share.