Open thread 8/2

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  1. Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    For science fans like Hank who appreciate the science of evolution and the knowledge which can be applied to things like curing cancer (which creationism can never do because it’s not science).

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080801094300.htm

    ScienceDaily (Aug. 1, 2008) — Scientists from The Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton and the University of California discovered that the underlying process in tumor formation is the same as for life itself—evolution. After analyzing a half million gene mutations, the researchers found that although different gene mutations control different cancer pathways, each pathway was controlled by only one set of gene mutations.

    This suggests that a molecular “survival of the fittest” scenario plays out in every living creature as gene mutations strive for ultimate survival through cancerous tumors. This finding, which appears in the August 2008 issue of The FASEB Journal, improves our understanding of how evolution shapes life in all forms, while laying a foundation for new cancer drugs and treatments.

    “This study lays the groundwork for understanding the nature of different mutations in cancers,” said Chen-Hsiang Yeung, first author of the study, “and helps with understanding the mechanisms of cancers and their responses to drug treatments.”

  2. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    The NEA: Our Mirror Image of the Taliban

    Afghanistan’s rigid cult of totalitarians is called the Taliban, which means “the students.” America’s mirror image of it calls itself “the teachers” — or rather, the Nation Education Association, which has much more to do with imposing hard left politics than it does with education:

    The nation’s largest teachers union, the National Education Association, attracted 9,000 delegates to its annual convention in Washington, D.C., over the July Fourth weekend. Delegates sported buttons with provocative slogans such as “Gay marriage causes global warming only because we are so hot,” “Hate is not a family value,” “The Christian right is neither” and “Gay rights are civil rights.”

    The delegates passed dozens of hard-hitting resolutions that now become the NEA’s official policy. The resolutions authorize NEA members and employees to lobby for those goals in the halls of Congress and state capitols.

    NEA resolutions cover the waterfront of all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with improving education for schoolchildren, such as supporting statehood for the District of Columbia, a “single-payer health care plan” (i.e., government run), gun control, ratification of the International Criminal Court Treaty [which would severely undermine American soveignty] and taking steps “to change activities that contribute to global climate change.”

    When it comes to education, the NEA’s main interest is in suppressing competition, the better to guarantee ideological homogeneity:

    The NEA fiercely opposes any competition for public schools, such as vouchers, tuition tax credits, parental option plans or public support of any kind to nonpublic schools. […] The NEA opposes home schooling unless children are taught by state-licensed teachers using a state-approved curriculum. The NEA wants to bar home-schooled students from participating in any extracurricular activities in public schools even though their parents pay school taxes, too. […] NEA resolutions call for “programs in the public schools for children from birth through age 8″ and for “mandatory kindergarten with compulsory attendance.”

    The unhinged feminazi agenda lives on at the NEA:

    NEA resolutions include all the major feminist goals such as “the right to reproductive freedom” (i.e., abortion on demand), “comparable worth” (i.e., government control of wages according to feminist ideology), full funding for the feminist boondoggle called the Women’s Educational Equity Act and censoring all masculine words such as husband and father.

    The increasingly ambitious militant homosexual agenda also finds vociferous advocates at our largest teachers union:

    The influence of the gay lobby is pervasive in dozens of NEA resolutions adopted by 2008 convention delegates. Diversity is the code word used for pro-gay indoctrination in the classroom.

    The NEA’s diversity resolution makes clear this means teaching about “sexual orientation” and “gender identification.” The NEA demands that “diversity-based curricula” be imposed on preschoolers. […] The NEA wants all sex-education courses, textbooks, curricula, instructional materials and activities to include indoctrination about sexual orientation and gender identification plus warnings about homophobia.

    An important objective of today’s educrats is for schools to supplant parents, so that instead of family we will have the State:

    The NEA wants every child, regardless of age, to have “direct and confidential access, without notification to parents, to comprehensive health education. That would include things such as learning how to use condoms for premarital sex, as well as social, and psychological programs and services.”

    The NEA wants public schools to take over the physical and mental care of students through school clinics that provide services, diagnosis, treatment, family-planning counseling and access to birth control methods. Family planning clinics are called on to “provide intensive counseling.”

    There is no topic on which the NEA is not aggressively wrong. Yet somehow the belligerent promoters of this deranged moonbat agenda have taken control of education. If their brainwashing is successful, the next generation will be unrecognizable as Americans.

  3. Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    “The increasingly ambitious militant homosexual agenda also finds vociferous advocates at our largest teachers union”

    I’ll bet their uniforms are faaaabulous!

  4. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    New Paper (another one!) Demonstrates Lack of Credibility for Climate Model Predictions

    A new paper by Demetris Koutsoyiannis et al has been published, which demonstrates that climate models have no predictive value. The full paper entitled, ‘On the Credibility of Climate Predictions’ is published in the Journal of Hydrological Sciences, and is available for free download. 18 years of climate model predictions for temperature and precipitation at 8 locations worldwide were evaluated.

    The Abstract states:

    Geographically distributed predictions of future climate, obtained through climate models, are widely used in hydrology and many other disciplines, typically without assessing their reliability. Here we compare the output of various models to temperature and precipitation observations from eight stations with long (over 100 years) records from around the globe. The results show that models perform poorly, even at a climatic (30-year) scale. Thus local model projections cannot be credible, whereas a common argument that models can perform better at larger spatial scales is unsupported.

    http://www.atypon-link.com/IAHS/doi/abs/10.1623/hysj.53.4.671

  5. JWink
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Leading edge of the Sun peeps over the eastern horizon right at 6:34 AM … right on schedule. At least that part is working.

  6. beber
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    “The NEA wants every child, regardless of age, to have “direct and confidential access, without notification to parents, to comprehensive health education. That would include things such as learning how to use condoms for premarital sex, as well as social, and psychological programs and services.” — HLP’s cut and paste. (This particular piece appears on dozens of winger sites)

    “If deemed appropriate by local
    choice, family-planning counseling and
    access to birth control methods with instruction
    in their use.” — Actual NEA resolutions.

    Conclusion — that’s very easy to make.

  7. outlander
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    “Democracy is less a system of government than it is a system to keep government limited, unintrusive: A system of constraints on power to keep politics and government secondary to the important things in life, the true sources of value found only in family and faith.”

    – Ronald Reagan, from address at Moscow University

  8. Regular
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Morning Hank! How’s the puppies!

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    “Gay marriage causes global warming only because we are so hot,”

    Ya know if a heterosexual did this it would be repulsed and it is imo, a poor representation of the school they came from.

    Whey are gays going to learn that “in your face” attitudes turn people off and against them.

  9. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Morning regular!

    Puppies are good.

    Nikki is growing like a weed. We finally got her registered the other day and her three generation pedigree is like one I’ve never seen before. Every one of the 14 dogs in her pedigree are champions except for three that are dual champions. All conformation champions, three of which are herding champions.

    She has a lot to live up to!

  10. Political_mama
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Outlandish, you suppose he was talking about Muslim faith?

  11. Political_mama
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Hank this stems from the millions of gay kids that they see come through their schools, they teach these kids and love these kids, and have seen far too many suicides from these kids believing that they are defective from their own parents.

    You are so blind. I have no doubt that you truly wish to believe that this is choice. It is not choice. It isn’t something that can be guilted away or covered up.

    I have to ask, all of you who think it is choice. Do you have feelings that you would like to have gay sex? Because honestly, unless you THINK you could choose, then you must be bi….someone who CAN choose. True heterosexuals don’t think it’s a choice.

    I wonder what you would do if someone told you to deny some huge part of your life. Something that makes you who you are. Would you join with a group of people who believes as you do? Sure, you already do. Would you fight for those beliefs? Sure, you do.

  12. Apophis
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    I see old man price has a new pile of crap to start us with this morning. Is the NEA your new kicking boy rather than Global Climate Change?

    Slam away all you want with your reichwing spin:

    The National Education Association (chartered by the United States Congress) is 3.2 MILLION members strong and growing. We are not going away!

  13. Regular
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Then of course PMom, you would have no objection to a Christian school teacher wearing a lapel pin promoting their faith at the Union convention?

    Hmmm?

  14. Apophis
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    ah………I was AT that convention. Many teachers whear buttons. That’s called choice. The only “button” that was universally distributed was “Obama for President”. The Representative Assembly voted overwhelmingly to endorse Obama at that convention. There were no “gays, guns & abortion” items distributed. In fact the word “abortion” does not appear in any NEA Resolution. We do not have a position on that subject therefore.

    If you did not attend the convention, you are only posting based on second hand (at best) information. It is not your organization, so you have NO say about what we do and decide. Basically, I say “screw you” if you don’t like it. It seems that the reichwingers here think if they post spun nonsense here, it will make the NEA go away.

    Sorry!

    The NEA is 3.2 MILLION members strong and growing!

  15. Regular
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Southern Baptists have 16 million members and there are no campaign ribbons worn in church. :)

  16. beber
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    “Nikki is growing like a weed. We finally got her registered the other day and her three generation pedigree is like one I’ve never seen before. Every one of the 14 dogs in her pedigree are champions except for three that are dual champions. All conformation champions, three of which are herding champions” — hlp

    Must be a bitch to own a dog smarter than you are.

  17. Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    “Apophis” –

    I admit I haven’t been around the NEA for a few years, but my ex- was a teacher and the daughter of teachers and she chose AFT because the NEA was so impotent.

    Then and now I am utterly astounded how wing-nuts such as Schlafly consider the NEA the 5th Horseman of the Apocalypse. I mean, if the NEA were so gawd-awful powerful wouldn’t you guys all be chauffeured to school in stretch limos?

    It’s emblematic of the whole CON Big Lie approach. Shrub gets to skip out of a cushy National Guard assignment (albeit, not one North Vietnam MIG ever got to Biloxi) and John Kerry volunteers for combat twice… but Kerry was the coward. It takes cajones grande to come up with a lie that big. Or (as we saw with “Franklin’s” all-day manic screeds that it’s Obama who’s the racist. You damned school teachers are just too powerful!!

    Lewis Carrol on acid couldn’t make up that stuff.

  18. beber
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    NPR reported this morning that a new process makes hydrolisis of water (splitting the atom into hydrogen and oxygen) much more efficient at room temperature. Here’s your solar/wind storage system? Hydrogen can be used as fuel in a fuel cell.

    I found this:

    http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/peripherals/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=209901610

  19. Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    “beber” –

    I think Nikki is a bitch.

  20. Apophis
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Leave it to James McCluer, resident blog troll and pervert, to post something as nonsensical as “Southern Baptists have 16 million members and there are no campaign ribbons worn in church.”

    Number 1: Do you know this as FACT? I would surmise that this is just another idea you pulled out of your ass.

    Number 2: Who really gives a damn? It’s not the Southern Baptists who reichwingers attempt to demonize; that’s the way they portray the NEA.

    Do tell us all about that little debacle that occurred while you were an emergency substitute teacher in Derby, McCluer. Since you make unfounded accusations about me, why don’t you share YOUR perverted obsession with under-aged girls and boys? Afterall, that is what you throw out about me, so it MUST be what is foremost in YOUR mind.

    Pervert

  21. Regular
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Good morning Apophis,

    Still having trouble dealing with adulthood eh?

    Perhaps one day you’ll realize what a gigantic fool you represent yourself as.

  22. Apophis
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    MW

    FYI…………there is NO choice any more in Wichita about choosing NEA or AFT. That ended over 10 years ago. The union in Wichita is a merged local. This means we are members of BOTH NEA and AFT. We get the best of both organizations. So, the NEA is 3.2 MILLION and the AFT is 1.5 MILLION members strong and GROWING.

  23. Apophis
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    ………………………McCluer, I think YOU have the market cornered for “looking like a gigantic fool”.

    Anyone agree?

  24. Political_mama
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Beber contributed to something! My god. That’s really excellent though- its what we’ve been waiting for.

    Now, um, Regular would I care? Not a bit. Now if they wore it to school that would be another issue.

  25. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    “The Representative Assembly voted overwhelmingly to endorse Obama at that convention.”

    So tell P-Mom, does it bother you that a bunch of union hacks that supposedly represent teachers with a cross section of political beliefs endorse a man for president?

    One would assume that there are a lot of teachers in Kansas that would not want their union reps using their dues to endorse a candidate with an opposing political agenda.

  26. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Hey beber,

    There have always been economical ways to use electricity for hydrolysis of water.

    You have to be able to safely store large volumes of H2 an O2. It requires pressure vessels.

    Both H2 and O2 at high pressure are very dangerous gases.

    Fuel cells are not cheap. Photo voltaic systems capable of producing enough electricity to supply a homes needs plus extra for times when the sun doesn’t shine are not cheap.

    It ain’t going to happen beber. (I consulted with my dogs before posting and they concur)

  27. Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    “Apophis” –

    I understand your frustration with “Regular,” but please consider dialing it back a bit.

    It dawned on me this morning, after reading one of the first posts under the Sebelius/Colbert/Canton thread, that the primary fault of forums (fora?) such as WE Blog is how easily we tend to fall into name-calling and junior high insults.

    It’s about all “Regular” seems to have. He can’t address the issues or arguments I post so he calls me “MonkeyHock.” (heh-heh… get it? “hawk” sorta sounds like “hock” and “hock” refers to an “ass” heh-heh… get it?)

    “Regular” doesn’t like Kathleen Sebelius but can’t tell us why or sustain a substantive argument so he calls her “The Old Gray Mare” ‘cuz it’s “clever!” (heh-heh… see, there’s this old song that goes “The old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be…” and Sebelius is a woman, get it? and she has gray hair… heh-heh, so it’s funny, y’see? heh-heh… get it?)

    The biggest signal that a post in this forum is worthless are the words, “you are a…”, which takes issues out of the question and devolves into ad hominem. I don’t care if it’s people telling “Regular” that he is a fat hypocrite or that “Nathaniel” is a demented religious gun nut or that “BlueJay” is a bitter liberal or “ksfarmgrrl” is an angry lesbian. Anytime anyone tries to turn these discussions to personal accusations (mostly unfounded) the discourse descends into a cyber slap-fest.

    I am not without sin. But I have tried to the best of my ability to address issues rather than personalities when I contribute to WE Blog.

    I don’t call “Regular” “IR-Regular” (heh-heh… ‘cuz, y’see, “irregular” is another world for constipation and that’d mean … heh-heh… “Regular” is full of s#it… heh-heh… get it? heh-heh) and I suspect a typo (the o and the i are adjacent) led to “Boxlock” being called “Boxlick”).

    I’ve been trolled plenty of times by the CONs here and, most of the time, resisted flopping in the boat. Personal accusations — especially conjured up accusations — serve no purpose if (and that might be a big “if”) we come here to discuss issues and share opinions.

    If “Regular” has a thing for young teen boys and girls, make it relevant. Show the evidence. Provide testimony. Otherwise, stick to the issue at hand.

  28. Nick Jungman
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    WEBloggers, this is Nick Jungman from Kansas.com. I wanted to send a personal note to you all thanking you for your patience as we performed some long-delayed system maintenance this morning.

    We’ve actually moved all our blogs to a new, dedicated server, and we think we’re already seeing major performance gains. The blog should be faster and down less often (if — fingers crossed — ever).

    If you note that something seems out of whack, we’d very much appreciate a heads-up at webmaster@wichitaeagle.com.

    nick

  29. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Teachers’ Pets

    The NEA gave $65 million in its members’ dues to left-liberal groups last year.

    Tuesday, January 3, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

    If we told you that an organization gave away more than $65 million last year to Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow PUSH Coalition, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, Amnesty International, AIDS Walk Washington and dozens of other such advocacy groups, you’d probably assume we were describing a liberal philanthropy. In fact, those expenditures have all turned up on the financial disclosure report of the National Education Association, the country’s largest teachers union.

    Under new federal rules pushed through by Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, large unions must now disclose in much more detail how they spend members’ dues money. Big Labor fought hard (if unsuccessfully) against the new accountability standards, and even a cursory glance at the NEA’s recent filings–the first under the new rules–helps explain why. They expose the union as a honey pot for left-wing political causes that have nothing to do with teachers, much less students.

    We already knew that the NEA’s top brass lives large. Reg Weaver, the union’s president, makes $439,000 a year. The NEA has a $58 million payroll for just over 600 employees, more than half of whom draw six-figure salaries. Last year the average teacher made only $48,000, so it seems you’re better off working as a union rep than in the classroom.

    Many of the organization’s disbursements–$30,000 to the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association, $122,000 to the Center for Teaching Quality–at least target groups that ostensibly have a direct educational mission. But many others are a stretch, to say the least. The NEA gave $15,000 to the Human Rights Campaign, which lobbies for “lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equal rights.” The National Women’s Law Center, whose Web site currently features a “pocket guide” to opposing Supreme Court nominee Sam Alito, received $5,000. And something called the Fund to Protect Social Security got $400,000, presumably to defeat personal investment accounts.

    The new disclosure rules mark the first revisions since 1959 and took effect this year. “What wasn’t clear before is how much of a part the teachers unions play in the wider liberal movement and the Democratic Party,” says Mike Antonucci of the Education Intelligence Agency, a California-based watchdog group. “They’re like some philanthropic organization that passes out grant money to interest groups.”

    There’s been a lot in the news recently about published opinion that parallels donor politics. Well, last year the NEA gave $45,000 to the Economic Policy Institute, which regularly issues reports that claim education is underfunded and teachers are underpaid. The partisans at People for the American Way got a $51,000 NEA contribution; PFAW happens to be vehemently anti-voucher.

    The extent to which the NEA sends money to states for political agitation is also revealing. For example, Protect Our Public Schools, an anti-charter-school group backed by the NEA’s Washington state affiliate, received $500,000 toward its efforts to block school choice for underprivileged children. (Never mind that charter schools are public schools.) And the Floridians for All Committee, which focuses on “the construction of a permanent progressive infrastructure that will help redirect Florida politics in a more progressive, Democratic direction,” received a $249,000 donation from NEA headquarters.

    When George Soros does this sort of thing, at least he’s spending his own money. The NEA is spending the mandatory dues paid by members who are told their money will be used to gain better wages, benefits and working conditions. According to the latest filing, member dues accounted for $295 million of the NEA’s $341 million in total receipts last year. But the union spent $25 million of that on “political activities and lobbying” and another $65.5 million on “contributions, gifts and grants” that seemed designed to further those hyper-liberal political goals.

    The good news is that for the first time members can find out how their union chieftains did their political thinking for them, by going to http://www.union-reports.dol.gov, where the Labor Department has posted the details.

    Union officials claim that they favored such transparency all along, but the truth is they fought the new rules hard in both Congress and the courts. Originally, the AFL-CIO said detailed disclosures were too expensive, citing compliance costs in excess of $1 billion. The final bill turned out to be $54,000, or half of what the unions spent on litigation fighting the new requirements. When Secretary Chao refused to back down, the unions took her to court, and lost.

    It’s well understood that the NEA is an arm of the Democratic National Committee. (Or is it the other way around?) But we wonder if the union’s rank-and-file stand in unity behind this laundry list of left-to-liberal recipients of money that comes out of their pockets.

  30. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    HEHEHE

    The average salary for an NEA employee is $100,000.00! The union president’s salary approaches half a million dollars!

    As local union hacks like Apophis go along to get along with the leftest radical national agenda, I’m sure that Reggie laughs all the way to the bank!

  31. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    “Apophis” –

    I understand your frustration with “Regular,” but please consider dialing it back a bit.

    ____________________________________________________

    LOL!

    If you ever wonder how incredibly ignorant and meaningless the daily personal attacks by Apophis have become, now you know!

    One of the foulest posters has just admonished him!

    It don’t get much better than that!

  32. beber
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    “There have always been economical ways to use electricity for hydrolysis of water.” — HLP


    Until now, solar power has been a daytime-only energy source, because storing extra solar energy for later use is prohibitively expensive and grossly inefficient. With today’s announcement, MIT researchers have hit upon a simple, inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy.” — http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080731143345.htm

    Oh, who to believe, who to believe, HLP or Science News? I just don’t know wh-a-a-a-a-t to do.

  33. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    You seem to miss my point, beber.

    How are they ’storing’ the energy?

    Economically?

    Your link doesn’t answer these very basic questions.

  34. Posted August 2, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Why would you people on the left want to have the NEA in charge of your children’s education? They haven’t done anything to improve the education for our kids in this country. And why would you want them to teach your kids their values?

    As a parent, that is my responsibility. I pay the schools taxes and I expect them to teach my kids the math, language and reading skill that they will need to get to college and to aid them in their college years or working experience. WHAT has the NEA provided ifor their EDUCATION? Please learn the difference between an EDUCATION and VALUES.

    Many kids are going to Christian schools not just because of the religious beliefs but mainly because they score higher than the public school kids. We recently had to take our kids out of the Christian school because of finances and I was actually able to advance my son a whole grade and he still made A’s and B’s without even trying.

    In addition, there are many kids taught at home. If the public schools are doing so well as you say they are, then explain why we parents are putting our kids in Christian and private schools and home schools even knowing that we will still have to pay the taxes for the public schools. Just in case you still haven’t gotten the message, it is because PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE FAILING!!!!

    If the NEA was really worth anything, they could have and should have improved our education system. Instead, they are simply using their powers to advance their political agenda on our children. What a waste!!! btw, Hitler did the very same thing with the kids, he taught them his values and beliefs. And if the parents objected, they were told to turn them in to the authorities. So P_Mom, who are the Nazis now????

  35. Raptor
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    MH..your call for more adult conversation is a great idea, but let’s face it, there are extremists on both sides who will ignore it. There will be continual name calling, outrageous claims (that are not backed up–right, capn?) and juvenile insults.

    I like your thinking….it is a shame most people will ignore it.

  36. lindainks55
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Me too MonkeyHawk (like our thinking!). Standing ovation and I have nothing to add as you said it so very well.

  37. lindainks55
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Obama: McCain waging ‘cynical’ campaign

    “The one thing we know about the team that John McCain has assembled, because it’s a carry-over from some of the folks who have worked on the Bush campaigns,” Obama said at a press conference at Cape Canaveral, Fla. “They are very good at negative campaigns They are not so good at governing. If you think about this week, what they have been good at is distracting… (Jobs are being lost) and what was being talked about was Paris and Britney. They are clever about distracting people from the issues that really matter in peoples’ lives.

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_mccain_waging_cynical_ca.html

  38. DavidB
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    The hydrogen and the oxygen are created during the day, stored, and when recombined at night, it releases energy and water.

    The energy is ’stored’ (exists) in the atoms and molecules of the oxygen and hydrogen.

  39. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    “TheBorgHunter” on public education –

    “As a parent, that is my responsibility. I pay the schools taxes….”

    I have no kids in school now, “TheBorgHunter,” are you willing to pay my “schools taxes?” I’ll send you a bill.

    Sorry, but as long as I’m paying for the freight, I expect the doctors and nurses who’ll tend to me in the nursing home to understand the concept of, say, evolution. I want the employees I hire to be, I dunno, literate perhaps? I expect the cop who stops me for speeding in my electric car in 2017 to know that the world is round and the earth orbits around the Sun. I don’t want to be surprised that the kid who invented my electric car got interested in science and technology in an 8th Grade science class. I don’t expect electric car technolgy to come from a prayer session.

    Silly me.

  40. Posted August 2, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Hey Monkeyhawk, Your rebuttal had nothing to do with what I said. It sounds as though you just went on a rant. And btw, pay for your own education. You’re not a kid anymore. Grow up!

  41. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    “HLP” talks like the Boy with –

    “One of the foulest posters has just admonished [Apophis]!”

    Perhaps you should reread my original post.

    All you have is ad hominem, apparently.

  42. lindainks55
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    I do like McCain’s plan! Each time he speaks it reinforces that he has nothing! And I appreciate even more that Obama is staying very presidential. This is an excellent plan by the McCain team. lol

    ———–

    McCain Aims to Drive Home Obama ‘Celebrity’ Label

    John McCain’s campaign is sticking with its argument that Barack Obama is an aloof celebrity, as aides privately acknowledge that previous efforts to label Obama as a flip-flopper have been nowhere near as effective.

    The campaign’s ad this week comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, though attracting criticism from Democrats, got heavy play on the Internet and in print and TV media.

    The campaign reportedly is spending $140,000 a day to run the ad in battleground states, and aides are echoing its content in daily talking points.

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/02/mccain-aims-to-drive-home-obama-celebrity-label/

  43. sursum
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Take those teachers in the Christian/Private Academy Schools and plunk them down in inner city, poverty stricken schools or where English is a second language and see how good are the results. When you inherit the best pupils to instruct you’ll get results, when you have only one pupil(home schooling) the same thing. The public education system has been starved for funcional funding and direction for decades by the reich wing who, after strangling the system, now state with a clear voice public education doesn’t work nor meet the needs of society. They do that with just about everything progressive and call those who point out this process, liberals, lefties and socialists. The public school system is the main reason the US out shone the rest of the world, the first place where education was free and now a bunch of folks wanna make a few bucks off our education invalid by denegrating the professionals left handling a nightmare not of their making. In fact they’ve been trying to wake up people to the problem for years. Many posters have the same absolute, imperial opinion on just about anything, schools, health care, religion, sex, history…. jeez guys how do you get through life being “inadequate” in so many areas?

  44. Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink
    The NEA: Our Mirror Image of the Taliban

    Afghanistan’s rigid cult of totalitarians is called the Taliban, which means “the students.” America’s mirror image of it calls itself “the teachers”
    =============================================

    Amazing — Yesterday, I posted an analogy comparing the mindless, spineless Ditto Heads of Limbaugh Land, with the Brownshirts of Pre-WW II Germany… And many of you all castigated me for doing so….

    Yet, HANK can come on here today, and post an analogy between TEACHERS, and the decapitating lunatics of the Taliban, and nobody says hardly a word….

    And some of you all want to talk VALUES???

    Yea, sure, right!!

  45. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    So tell P-Mom, does it bother you that a bunch of union hacks that supposedly represent teachers with a cross section of political beliefs endorse a man for president?
    —————————————————————

    Come on Hank, you know if the Union told their rank & file to walk off a frickin cliff they would.

    They are TOLD to vote DemoRat and so they vote DemoRat.

    You think they could think for themselves?

  46. Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for some GOOD Union news there Hank and Max.

    Here is some more.

    Too late for me but not my pals.

    24 years overdue….

    The Union at the plant formerly known as Beechcraft has voted to strike!

    Good on them! They finally grew a spine!

    Hit ‘em one under the belt for the Bluejay!

    Get my pension bigger while you’re at it.

  47. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Sad, another Phony Preacher problem:

    http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=28522

    “Unfortunately today people are looking for God in all the wrong places,” Hanegraaff wrote on his website. “They’re going to hear in Lakeland all kinds of things, from people being resurrected from the dead — not true, no details, no descriptions — to supposedly people being pickled and marinated in the Spirit…. In fact, they’re going to hear about vibrating in the Spirit now. This guy is an absolute phony. Unfortunately people are falling for his ruse.”

    Hanegraaff added, “When you say God did something He didn’t do or the Holy Spirit told you something He didn’t tell you, that’s blasphemous.”

  48. Nathaniel
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Oh Yeah! They are on strike!

    Meanwhile, a couple of the Marines I work with don’t have any idea of what they are going to do for money now.

    Great!

  49. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink
    The Union at the plant formerly known as Beechcraft has voted to strike!

    Good on them! They finally grew a spine!

    Hit ‘em one under the belt for the Bluejay!

    Get my pension bigger while you’re at it.
    —————————————————————————-

    Ya gotta have a job before YOU can strike JR.

    “Hit em one for BJ”? YOU have to have someone ELSE fight your battles for you.

    Why don’t YOU get a spine?

  50. Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    If your friends are in the Union they will get their strike benefits.

    If they were not in the Union and could have been?

    I guess they need to rethink things.

    Give ‘em hell guys! Holy hosanah FINALLY!

  51. lindainks55
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Small fire strikes Westboro Baptist

    The Topeka Fire Department is investigating a small fire today outside of a church whose members protest at soldier’s funerals.

    The Topeka Capital-Journal reports on its Web site that a fence and garage at Westboro Baptist Church became engulfed in flames early today.

    Topeka Fire Marshal Greg Bailey said the cause of the fire has not been determined.

    However, a spokeswoman for the church, Shirley Phelps-Roper, believes it was deliberately set.

    Members of the church frequently picket military funerals, arguing that the deaths of U.S. troops overseas are part of God’s punishment for the nation’s tolerance of homosexuality.

    Bailey said damage is estimated at $10,000.

  52. Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    I work for me Max.

    But when I was in that shithouse I ALWAYS voted to strike.

    Oh and Maxine? I was a Union Steward.

    Got me a mid manager fired once. And when I quit, a flunky plant chair lost his next election.

    Bust their chops guys!

  53. lindainks55
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    And our school board, in ALL their wisdom, want to train more of our students to be — aircraft workers.

  54. Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    “However, a spokeswoman for the church, Shirley Phelps-Roper, believes it was deliberately set.”

    SHE probably set it.

  55. HLP
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    The hydrogen and the oxygen are created during the day, stored, and when recombined at night, it releases energy and water.

    The energy is ’stored’ (exists) in the atoms and molecules of the oxygen and hydrogen.

    _________________________________________________________

    DavidB, focus.

    There is so much wrong with your last post that you obviously are a student of our favorite ’science teacher’.

    The link that beber gave us does not address the H2 storage. It’s not cheap.

    The scientists have merely found a way to generate H2 at ambient temperatures and a neutral pH. This is a very interesting advance, but the H2 bubbling out of their little beaker needs to be stored until the sun goes down.

    Most ways of generating H2 with electrical current we now have can provide H2 at a pressure sufficient to store economically. One of the safest and most economical way to store H2 is in metal hydride cylinders.

    For the amount of H2 required to supply a home overnight and the bank of metal hydride cylinders would not be cheap. For the amount of electrical power required to supply a home overnight the fuel cell would not be cheap.

    My point, simply stated, is:

    A miraculous break through in the hydrolysis of H2 is not much help.

  56. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m not even surprised that aids/hiv infections have been underestimated, and that funding for aids has not increased for the last 7 yrs.
    From the article looks like the clean needle program has been having some success.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_on_he_me/med_hiv_infections_7

  57. Regular
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    America, Home of the Tree and the Brave
    (America’s Forests are Growing and of course, releasing more CO2) :)

    http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457

    JOHN STOSSEL

    (Voice Over) Other environmental groups run ads warning of the dire consequences. No wonder the activists are waving chainsaws outside the White House to protest. And this woman was so upset she lived in a tree for two years.

    ACTIVIST, FEMALE

    If they take anymore it’s going to destroy what’s left.
    JOHN STOSSEL

    (Voice Over) What is left? The US Agriculture Department says today America has 749 million acres of forest land. In 1920, we had 735 million acres of forest. Wait a second. Did you catch that? We have more forest now. How can we have more? Well, for one reason, technology now allows us to grow five times more food per acre, so we need less farmland. And so, lots of what once was farmland has reverted to forest. Still, even with more forest, people have an emotional reaction when they see scenes like this.

    JOHN STOSSEL

    (Off Camera) Why is there all this fear?

    MICHAEL SHERMER

    The fear is there because if your goal is to raise funds, you have to scare people. You can’t tell people things are getting better and here’s the data. You have to tell people things are worse, you have to scare people.

    JOHN STOSSEL

    (Voice Over) So you may be scared. But today, in the United States, there is so much forest land, there are two acres of forest for every single person.

  58. Raptor
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh yeah…strike pay…$150 a week. Goes a long ways. In the meantime, if HBC needed a reason to send MORE manufacturing to Mexico, they just got it.

  59. Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    “What is left? The US Agriculture Department says today America has 749 million acres of forest land. In 1920, we had 735 million acres of forest. Wait a second. Did you catch that? We have more forest now. How can we have more?”

    Here’s another reason, we added two states, Alaska and Hawaii since 1920. John might not be aware but Alaska has a lot of forest acreage.

  60. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Would like to see what trees have taken over the farm land, probably cottonwood or some other worthless tree.

  61. Hud
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    “HBC needed a reason to send MORE manufacturing to Mexico, they just got it.”

    I take you you do not believe in “Project Pelican”?

  62. Regular
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Forest Land Has Grown

    Forest land used for all purposes totaled 749 million acres in 2002 (table
    8), an increase of 2 million acres over 1997 (see Appendix for detailed
    descriptions of terms in bold). In the 48 contiguous States, the increase was
    2.5 million acres, while Alaska lost 0.5 million acres from 1997 to 2002.
    Forest land increased in the Appalachian, Southeast, Mountain, and Pacific
    regions and either decreased slightly or remained constant in the other
    regions of the country.
    More than two-thirds of the forest land in 2002 was timberland—forests
    capable of commercial timber production not removed from timber use by
    statute or administrative regulation—and the remainder was a combination
    of reserved forest land and other forest land. Of the total, about 67
    percent was non-Federal (Smith et al., 2004). Most of the forest area serves
    multiple purposes. For example, livestock grazing occurs on about 134
    million acres or 18 percent of the acreage (see “Grazed Forest Land,” p. 23)
    and large areas are available for recreational use (see “Special Uses,” p. 31).
    Forest land provides watershed protection, wildlife habitat, and parks, and
    serves other special purposes. Excluding forest land grazed and an estimated
    98 million acres of forest areas in special uses, such as parks and
    wildlife areas, leaves 517 million acres of ungrazed forest-use land.

    Total forest land, including multiple-use areas, declined from colonial times
    until about 1920, increased from 1920 to 1960, then trended downward until
    1987 (USDA/FS, 1982; 1989). Total forest area has increased since 1987,
    rising by about 5 million acres between 1987 and 1992, by 10 million acres
    between 1992 and 1997, and by 2 million acres between 1997 and 2002.

    Forest land classed as timberland has followed a similar upward trend since
    1987, when it was at a 35-year low of 485 million acres. Timberland area
    increased by 5 million acres over 1987-92, increased by 14 million acres
    over 1992-97, and stabilized over 1997-2002 at about 504 million acres

    (Smith et al., 2004).

    http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/EIB14/eib14f.pdf

  63. writerdog
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I was at a church sale today and found a true collector’s item, a Bush/Cheney 04 campaign cap.
    My wife just shook her head and accused me of wanting to be punched in the mouth or at least be pelted with rocks and garbage! And she even voted for them in 2004, but hey if they throw vegetables at me I will not go hungry during the Recession that is all in my mind… OK I will stop whining now.

  64. JMWalker
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Top hydrogen-storing polymer revealed

    A series of computer simulations has identified a polymer material with a very large capacity for storing hydrogen that could be exploited in fuel cells. Jisoon Ihm and colleagues at Seoul National University in South Korea have discovered that polyacetylene with titanium atoms attached to the polymer chain can hold 63 kilograms of hydrogen per cubic metre — more than any other similar material in their survey.
    Polyacetylene with titanium
    Polyacetylene with titanium

    A low-cost, high-capacity hydrogen-storage medium is essential for the commercialization of hydrogen fuel-cell technologies. Researchers had previously looked at carbon nanotubes, hydrogen-clathrate-hydrates and other nanostructured materials as ways of storing hydrogen, but they only work in fuel cells at low temperatures or high pressures. Now, Ihm and co-workers have shown that polymers covered with metal atoms can store a significant amount of hydrogen under more practical working conditions.

    The large storage capacity is predicted because numerous hydrogen molecules are attracted to the metal atoms that lie along the polymer chain. Using a series of first-principles electronic-structure calculations, the physicists worked out how much energy the hydrogen molecules need to bind to the metal atoms. They looked at a wide combination of metal atoms (including titanium, scandium and vanadium), polymers (including polyacetylene, polypyrrole and polyaniline) and bonding sites for the hydrogen on the metal atoms.

    The researchers found that a form of polyacetylene “decorated” with titanium atoms was the best. This molecule consists of a series of carbon atoms linked together in a chain by alternating single and double bonds. Each carbon atom has one hydrogen atom that can be replaced by a particular atom like titanium.

    They found that up to five hydrogen molecules can be attached to each titanium atom in this particular form of polyacetylene, allowing the material to reversibly store 7.6 wt% of hydrogen, or 63 kilograms per cubic metre under practical working conditions. This value is higher than a target of 45 kilograms per cubic metre that the US Department of Energy said should be reached by 2010 (Phys. Rev. Lett. 97 056104).

    “Our results will have considerable importance for experimentalists and engineers to synthesize metal-decorated polymers for hydrogen storage,” Ihm told PhysicsWeb. “Indeed, we have already begun to make some titanium-decorated polymers in collaboration with other researchers and are measuring their hydrogen-storage capacity now”.
    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/25676

  65. American_Way
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    “Would like to see what trees have taken over the farm land, probably cottonwood or some other worthless tree.”

    Yeah, like the nasty water sucking, bug hiding, cedar apple rust spreading red cedar.

    Nasty tree. Invaded and took over like a band of illegal immigrants.

  66. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Now Amway, you know you shouldn’t compare an invasive disease to people.

  67. Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    “HBC needed a reason to send MORE manufacturing to Mexico, they just got it.”

    They are already doing that anyway. The result is substandard parts.

    The strike will be GOOD for Hawker Beechcraft.

    When a union shop does not strike for such a long time, it gets management froggy.

    Management in business in this country is TOO froggy already.

    The reason I work for me is I refuse to work without a union. I even tried to START unions in a few places.

    Without a union, you are on the mercy of the employer. And such folk are NOT known for their kindness.

  68. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
    I work for me Max.

    But when I was in that shithouse I ALWAYS voted to strike.

    Oh and Maxine? I was a Union Steward.

    Got me a mid manager fired once. And when I quit, a flunky plant chair lost his next election.

    Bust their chops guys!
    ————————————————————————

    BJ be the man!

    You ever do anything productive or you just tear things down?

    You work for yourself, that’s nice. Pay for your kid’s health insurance yet? I thought you Libs advocating working so you could help others. You just work for yourself.

    I see…..

    The only ones you want to help others, are the others.

  69. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink
    Oh yeah…strike pay…$150 a week. Goes a long ways. In the meantime, if HBC needed a reason to send MORE manufacturing to Mexico, they just got it.
    ————————————————————————

    Most of the Union dues goes to political bribes, I mean contributions, to Democrats.

    There’s not enough left over for the Members.

  70. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    “You ever do anything productive or you just tear things down?”

    You bet I did.

    The labor codes in that place are all shot to hell. I fought that personally as hard as I could.

    Not everybody is born to be a yes man Max.

  71. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it.

    This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it.

  72. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    This is the moment to begin the work of seeking the peace of a world without nuclear weapons.

    And we need to bomb Iran at this very moment, to accomplish this goal.

  73. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Oh and Max?

    Unions and some of their members are the essence of helping others.

    Without them, everybody has to be like…you.

  74. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    YOU go bomb Iran Max.

    Iran aint bugging me.

  75. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably.

    There are too many jobs and too much wealth in American. American jobs and money should be shifted to other countries who need it more.

    The Global Poverty Act is just a start in this direction.

  76. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Those were Obama’s words BJ. Obama wants to eliminate all nuclear weapons.

    Iran has already said it’s going to defend it’s right to nukes.

    Obama will have to bomb Iran.

  77. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink
    Oh and Max?

    Unions and some of their members are the essence of helping others.

    Without them, everybody has to be like…you.
    ——————————————————————–

    Really? What about that guy left out on the street (YOU) who can’t get a job because the Union won’t let him in.

  78. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    A trades-union raises wages (aside from the legitimate and economic means notice in Chapter VI) by restricting the number of apprentices who may be taken into the trade. This device acts directly on the supply of laborers, and that produces effects on wages.

    If, however, the number of apprentices is limited, some are kept out who want to get in. Those who are in have, therefore, made a monopoly, and constituted themselves a privileged class on a basis exactly analogous to that of the old privileged aristocracies.

    But whatever is gained by this arrangement for those who are in is won at a greater loss to those who are kept out. Hence it is not upon the masters nor upon the public that trades-unions exert the pressure by which they raise wages; it is upon other persons of the labor class who want to get into the trades, but, not being able to do so, are pushed down into the unskilled labor class. These persons, however, are passed by entirely without notice in all the discussions about trades-unions. They are the Forgotten Men.

    But, since they want to get into the trade and win their living in it, it is fair to suppose that they are fit for it, would succeed at it, would do well for themselves and society in it; that is to say, that, of all persons interested or concerned, they most deserve our sympathy and attention.

    http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Essays/Best/SumnerForgotten.htm

  79. jjj
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    As a former member of the NEA I can tell you most teachers join for liability coverage and higher pay. I quit the NEA for another union with morals. I am ashamed of being a former member. In addition, I will always send my kids to a private school.

  80. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    I’m not on the street Max.

    I’m uh….also not under anyone’s desk.

    Are you referring to States outside of the “right to work” laws?

    Hey I say more of that. I dealt with SO many people who didn’t want to pay Union dues but oh how they demanded I be in there to defend them when they got afoul of management. And mostly, I did.

  81. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Max you would not join a union even if it was available to you.

    You get by on “Yes boss!” and having a carefully concealed knife for those working around you.

    Hell I feel like I know you.

  82. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I don’t so much blame folks like you Max as I feel sorry for you.

    America was BUILT of folks doing for themselves and helping others.

    Somewhere, sometime, we lost that.

    We became the “Survivor” nation where we claw at each other and scrabble for the scraps that big money will toss to see us fight over.

    Well I owe my ancestors and my kid better than that.

  83. Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Possession of vast sums of $$$$ does not necessarily translate to Riches…

  84. Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Good night; Good luck; God Bless —-
    Whatever you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    So mote it be!!

  85. annie_moose
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    “There are too many jobs and too much wealth in American. American jobs and money should be shifted to other countries who need it more.”

    Hehe Grubnik,
    The USA been bleeding jobs since the 60’s homie, its due to labor arbitrage. Here’s an example

    Here’s what you need to know about the United Auto Workers (UAW) strike against General Motors. The strike is about two things: labor arbitrage and health care.

    In 1990, GM’s workforce was over 350,000 strong. Today it is 73,000. Much production has been off-shored or spun off. (Delphi, for example, was spun off to supply car parts.) The spun-off workers have taken it on the chin in terms of wages, with Delphi workers going from $27 an hour to a maximum of $18.50.”

    Meanwhile, the union says the strike is primarily about labor arbitrage, to whit:

    The UAW wants assurance of future production at U.S. manufacturing plants.

    But the Detroit Three — GM, Ford and Chrysler — have threatened to close plants and cut jobs to try to stay afloat….

    …The union is holding out for job guarantees for the GM’s 73,000-strong workforce — which is now just a fifth as large at it was as recently as 1990.

    In other words, GM workers don’t want what jobs are left in the US to be outsourced, off-shored, or spun off.

    GM has a number of fundamental problems. The most important one is that their engineering culture is sick — they do not make cars as good as most of their foreign competitors’. This arises from the fact that GM thought they were in the finance business, not the auto business — a very dangerous mistake their greatest rival, Toyota, has never succumbed to. (But which is typical of US MBA-style management.)

    MBA stlye management hehe isn’t shrub an MBA?

  86. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    So would data mining for terrorist, say bin laden, also leave you at 6 degrees of separation. Makes you wonder just how close you might be to a knock on the door at midnight.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103718.html

  87. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    These Republican globalist have no loyalty to their own country, just like their leader. We’re all brothers, man. If our brother needs YOUR job, so be it.

  88. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Guess I should have wrote if our Chinese, or Indian, or Mexican brother needs…

  89. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    You can bet Max is one of those ‘kiss up, and kick down’ types.

  90. Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    FUNDIES ON PARADE!

    Evangelical preacher, Anthony Hopkins, 37, of Mobile, AL, is facing charges of murder, rape, sodomy and incest.

    Hopkins is a suspect in the murder of his wife, Arletha, who was found in a freezer. No one had seen her for about three years. Hopkins’ eight children were home-schooled and sexual abuse is suspected.

    While Hopkins was preaching at a revival Monday night, the eldest of his children walked into the Child Advocacy Center and filed a complaint against Hopkins.

    Police later entered the church, with guns drawn, and arrested Hopkins.

    The children are now in protective custody.

  91. Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Actually, it’s a little more pragmatic than stated above, it’s all about corporate bottom line. I just dressed it up for the commoner.

  92. Phantom
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Just saw this post on another site I post to:
    “We don’t have the Estate Tax here in Canada. Now that’s double taxation. Nor does our govt. tax you as a Canadian citizen if you live abroad. Now that’s double taxation. Funny how either the govt. or the medical companies will get your estate in the USA. Sounds kind of like a tax grabbing socialist system.

    Incidentally our corporate taxes are lower than in the USA, our income taxes are comparable, and our municipal taxes tend to be LOWER here. Our govt. is pulling in SURPLUSES. We can afford socialized quality medical care all on top of that. Neat, eh?

    I never understood how the US govt. can justify taxing your butt just for being a US citizen. My Bro was born in Boston. He never elected to getting a US Citizenship (probably for that reason).”
    We must be doing something wrong here in the gool ol usa.

  93. Phantom
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Mccain sounds like a loose cannon, not a guy you’d want getting a call in the WH at 3:00 am.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103032_2.html?hpid=topnews

  94. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    annie_moose
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
    “There are too many jobs and too much wealth in American. American jobs and money should be shifted to other countries who need it more.”
    —————————————————————————–

    Say Annie, it was Barack Obama who in Germany said:

    “This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably.”

    You think he was telling the Germans to share more with the US? Ha Ha Ha

    Obama, with his Global Poverty Act, is giving away more US taxpayer money $68 Billion/yr, and giving away more US jobs.

    Obama’s your man that wants to equalize the world.

    Well, open your wallet, cause now the rest of the world is gonna be in your back pocket.

    You Libs, will now have to fight Libs in other countries, for your welfare money. You better hope you can hold your hand out further then those in the starving 3rd World, or you be goin hungry.

  95. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Permalink
    These Republican globalist have no loyalty to their own country, just like their leader. We’re all brothers, man. If our brother needs YOUR job, so be it.
    ———————————————————————–

    My posts above were from Barack Obama. Funny Phantom, when you think they were my words, you call me disloyal to my own country.

    Take another look at your Obama man.

  96. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.

  97. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART”

  98. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER’S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I’D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

  99. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, and name names”

  100. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school”
    “I studied the Koran..”

  101. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ….”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.

  102. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    “I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. …”

  103. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    “It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: (White) People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied, they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.”

  104. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    “I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

  105. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    “The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person…” –

  106. MaxGrobnik
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    “I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.” — Hillary Clinton

  107. Posted August 3, 2008 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/opinion/02herbert.html?ex=1218340800&en=b7dde21dcfe596c0&ei=5070&emc=eta1

  108. Political_mama
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    A few things…

    1. Last time I checked WEblog on my other computer, it still registered as down at 6pm. I see that plenty of posts were made between then and now.

    2. BSGatherer: Didn’t you work at the college and NCRA, now how can you not afford private school? Overspending too much to keep up with the Jones’s? I guess you should homeschool then. Wouldn’t want to hurt your kid. How many college courses are being offered at your high school now? Sounds like they’re advancing not coming down.
    Its you people who vote every time to limit funds to the public schools. Reap what ye sow. I’m guessing your kid begged to go to public school too. God I would- I’d want some normalcy.

    Hank: I’ll take the MIT people’s words over yours, thanks. Unless you’re going to tell me you’ve got credentials above that.

    JJJ- what does that say about you as a teacher?
    What morals?

    You know I look back on my public school days, and the best teachers I had were the ones who were most liberal. They taught outside the box, they had FUN with the students, they encouraged everyone no matter their last name. The religious ones were the WORST- as if they absolutely hated teaching and kids- well unless they were in the same church or on the city counsil. And ANY behavior problem was looked upon as an affront to them personally.

    Teachers are more than teachers, they are social workers as well, or at least they need to be. One cannot teach a child who is more worried about being able to hide and run home after school rather than weight himself down with a ton of books that might hinder his ability to escape. And the liberal teacher will try to address that. The other doesn’t care…not his problem.

    School is a HUGE part of a child’s social upbringing, they learn far more than the 3Rs…they learn how to function in the world, how they perceive the world, and how the world perceives them. They learn justice or injustice. They learn problem solving or coping-good and bad. Sometimes it can be a safe haven and sometimes it can be torture. And it all depends on the teacher.

  109. Political_mama
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    Nathan: Surely your marine buddies are resourceful enough to find some money to live on. I’m sure you’ve got a lawn that needs mowing, right?

  110. Boxlock
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Apophis (Oedipus) posts:
    “The National Education Association (chartered by the United States Congress) is 3.2 MILLION members strong and growing. We are not going away!”

    Everyone notice that’s all this failed teacher’s got? He has nothing noteworthy of self accomplishment, or pride in what he as done or can do, but who’s identity rests solely on association with an organization whose only requirement is it’s members pay to belong.
    Pretty pathetic individual to teach the kids.

  111. American_Way
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    “Apophis (Oedipus) posts:
    “The National Education Association (chartered by the United States Congress) is 3.2 MILLION members strong and growing. We are not going away!””

    Too bad it’s only growing because it’s members are paid with taxpayers dollars.

    Otherwise, like the rest of the labor unions representing private industry - you’d be dying too.

    Companies paying labor wages cannot compete, and cannot keep up with nonunion companies. Nonunion companies can provide products to Americans at lower cost, including shipping and handling from around the world. (Hence the imports)

    Only socialist unions, which are not for profit and do not have to create a quality product survive.

    How’s it feel to be part of all that?

    Without my tax dollars, you would be gone. And broke. Your welcome.

  112. American_Way
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see if I said that right. You can buy a fuel efficient higher quality car built in Japan for less, or you can pay more and buy a gas-guzzling US labor union built car of inferior quality.

    A wise consumer will always compare. Which of, course is why the big three automakers are going broke, and the unions dying.

  113. Posted August 22, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    what would my father think of it?

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