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As another WE Blogger said to me yesterday, why can’t we bloggers treat each other more civilly? The fun is taken away and we lose our active opinion givers. So, bloggers, lighten up and treat each other with some kindness.
Another cooling convert
An expert from the National Autonomous University of Mexico predicted that in about ten years the Earth will enter a “little ice age” which will last from 60 to 80 years and may be caused by the decrease in solar activity. Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the UNAM, as argued earlier during a conference that teaches at the Centre for Applied Sciences and Technological Development…
Velasco Herrera described as erroneous predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), pursuant to which the planet is experiencing a gradual increase in temperature, the so-called global warming. The models and forecasts of the IPCC “is incorrect because only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity,” said the specialist also in image processing and signs and prevention of natural disasters. The phenomenon of climate change, he added, should include other kinds of factors, both internal, such as volcanoes and the very human activity, and external, such as solar activity….
“In this century glaciers are growing”, as seen in the Andes, Perito Moreno, Logan, the highest mountain in Canada, and with Franz-Josef Glacier, New Zealand, said Velasco Herrera….
The prognosis on the emergence of a new Ice Age has little uncertainty as to their dates. The latest, according to Victor Manuel Velasco, could arrive in approximately two years. In another lecture he gave at the beginning of last December, the same expert had said that the cooling would arrive within 30 or 40 years. And in early July, Velasco Herrera said that satellite data indicate that this period of global cooling could even have already begun, since 2005.
Good morning JWink!
Thanks for the full moon report the other day. I remembered it at 10:30 on Saturday night and I went out with the dogs final run and watched it for a while.
Hank,Nathan,Regular and anyone that I have personally offended or attacked on this blog,
I made a new friend about 2 months ago,his name is Bill W. He is helping get my life back on the rails so to speak. One of the things I must do is make amends to people I have harmed. So to the poeple I have mentioned and anyone else this could apply to I offer my humble apologies. I may not agree with your politics or lifestyle but that is no reason to attack anyone personally. I just ask you to be patient if I slip up,I’m a work in progress with a long way to go.
Dear Freebird1971,
Apology accepted, no offense taken. My thoughts and prayers will be with you as you take a new look at your life!
Hank
As grandpa said,
“Hell, if everyone agreed with me 100% they’d be making a run on grandma!”
Congratulations, Bill W was a smart guy. Sounds like you’re serious.
I am more serious about this than I have ever been in my life about anything,it just could be my last chance
Good for you, Freebird! It might sound trite sometimes, but just take it one day at a time, and life becomes absolutely wonderful! Don’t worry about the next holiday, or New Year’s, etc. Concentrate on today…and the days add up to a much, much better life!
“Keep coming back”!!!!
Hank,
It’s amazing what you can see with a clear set of eyes and a clear head.
Jwink…I could not agree with you more. The personal attacks and the rude insults get more and more obnoxious all the time. They contribute nothing to a give/take of ideas–they only make the writer feel “clever” or something.
I applaud your appeal…too bad it will be ignored as “whining” by a number of people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA&NR=1
shameful
Raptor,
Things are already looking better, not to say I don’t have my mooments,but life actually seems worth living again
like mooments for moments
Parents of middle school students.
Be aware of a course called “leadership”. This is actually the Junior ROTC, a military recruitment arm.
Your son or daughter may be asked to join with or without your consent.
Parents of high school students.
Be advised that the military has access to your child’s name and personal information for contact and recruitment purposes. If you wish to protect your child’s personal information, you must file an opt out form through your school office.
Now is the time to start saving up your junk mail and hopefully have a garbage bag or two full to “return to sender” on April 15th 2009.
You all ought to try and watch this film, “America: Freedom To Fascism”. If we can get one informed jury member to hang the jury on a tax law case, then We The People win. We need to start showing the judges and prosecutor’s that WE are the power, not them.
Educate yourselves.
Freebird1971
Posted August 19, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink
Hank,Nathan,Regular and anyone that I have personally offended or attacked on this blog,
I made a new friend about 2 months ago,his name is Bill W. He is helping get my life back on the rails so to speak. One of the things I must do is make amends to people I have harmed.
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No harm, no foul – play ball!
And good luck on your endeavors.
It appears that both candidates got an advance look at the Saddleback Church questions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/18/AR2008081802434.html?hpid=topnews
Is it time for Obama to respond in kind to McCain’s attack ads?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/18/AR2008081802177.html?hpid=topnews
Writing for the online Democratic Strategist, party communications consultant James Vega outlined a character attack that Obama could pick up. He said McCain has become “a pale, diminished shadow” of his former self, so desperate to win the election that he has sacrificed “his deepest principles and his personal honor” and allowed “men he once despised . . . to manipulate him.”
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Straight Talk, indeed. See above link.
“So, bloggers, lighten up and treat each other with some kindness.”
Would you say the same thing to people who support Robert Mugabe and Idi Amin?
People who help destroy my beloved country will receive no kindness from me.
As Stonewall Jackson said so famously, “we will give them the bayonet.”
It is possible Capn that some aren’t fully informed and that is why they support one or the other “side.” It is also possible that fair and softly go far.
My Grandmothers interpretation of fair and softly was, “Sugar attracts more flies than vinegar.”
Looks like ‘The Surge has Worked’ to undermine the war in Afghanistan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080819/wl_nm/afghan_violence_dc_14
last time I looked, capn..nobody on this blog has been committing mass murder like Idi Amin…
of course, your infamous statement from 8/1 about all church shooters being “CONs” is pretty indicative of your mindset.
Ever since Reagan, Linda, the liberals have hoped they could convince people through reason and facts. And ever since Reagan, our patriotism, morality, and humanity has been viciously attacked, ridiculed, and demeaned.
“I tell people, ‘to hell with charity, you only get what you’re strong enough to get.’” Saul Alinsky
George Bush has committed mass murder far worse than Amin and Mugabe.
Our taxpayer funded bullets and bombs have mown down tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of innocent Iraqis to “protect us” from a non-existent threat.
And you Bush-backers helped him do it.
If there is a God, and I believe there is, I’m sure glad I’m not you.
“As Stonewall Jackson said so famously, “we will give them the bayonet.””
A pacifist quoting a War Hero is sick.
I’m not a pacifist, and Jackson who treasonously took up arms against his own country is no war hero.
“Recently, Alinsky and the current generation of Alinsky inspired/styled activists (especially Barack Obama ) have been attacked as advocates for a quiet socialist revolution merely using the language of social change, organizing, and empowerment as euphemisms for the traditional Marxist vocabulary.”
You people just can’t get away from Marx.
“I’m not a pacifist, and Jackson who treasonously took up arms against his own country is no war hero.”
Treason? Name one who was charged with Treason.
And he was a war hero. Infinity.
Forget all of the b.s, rascist, pigeon-holing about the Civil War. That war was when We The People lost yet again. It was when “our government” realized that they could put Federal troops against its own people. Civil War…hmph.
“The War of Northern Aggression”.
“The War of Northern Aggression”.
BINGO!
WASHINGTON — Roadside bomb attacks and fatalities in Iraq are down by almost 90% over the last year, according to Pentagon records and interviews with military leaders.
In May, 11 U.S. troops were killed by blasts from improvised explosive devices (IEDs) compared with 92 in May 2007, records show. That’s an 88% decrease. — http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-06-22-ieds_N.htm
Note how the Pentagon defines a decrease in roadside bombing. It’s defined by the number of American troops killed recently and previously.
I wonder how that figure holds up when you compare Iraqis killed in similar time periods?
It is my suspicion that Americans are suffering fewer deaths because they are taking fewer chances.
This article from May 2008 (apparently) supports that contention.
“WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military is reinforcing the sides of its topline mine-resistant vehicles to shore up what could be weak points as troops see a spike in armor-piercing roadside bombings across Iraq, The Associated Press has learned.
The surge in attacks is putting the mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles (MRAPs) to the test, and so far they are largely passing. Statistics reviewed by the AP show that while bombings involving the deadly penetrating explosives have jumped by about 40% in the past three months, deaths in such bombings have dropped by as much as 17%.” — http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-05-09-mrap_N.htm
Surge is working my ass. What is working is propaganda.
Cool.
So if I set up my own government, print my own money, and declare my acreage a soverign state independent of the United States, Fleettwood will defend me with his life.
Nope, that’s not treason.
“Nope, that’s not treason.”
No, it isn’t. The South did not advocate the overthrow of the North. They just wanted to be left alone. There is nothing in the Constitution against secession.
It is my suspicion that Americans are suffering fewer deaths because they are taking fewer chances.
That is a bad thing why? Aren’t the Iraqis supposed to be taking over? How else can we pull out if te Iraqis don’t take over?
Fleettwood says that seceeding is perfectly legal.
Wow, might it be possible to get the Southern States with their high federal funding, endemic poverty, poor education, high divorce, racism and CONservative (heh, same thing) to seceed again?
Just think of the leap forward the rest of the Union could make without the anchor of the Old Confederacy pulling us down.
Hell, we’d be like CANADA!
Seceding, is perfectly CONSTITUTIONAL. Succeeding? Maybe not.
Because Sol, if violence is not really declining overall, then the surge didn’t work. I think overall, violence is decreasing, and the surge helped, but defining the success/failure of the surge by numbers of American killed is a surefire way to manipulate the numbers. All you have to do to “succeed” is send them out on fewer patrols.
Here’s another story: Does this sound like success to you? — http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/08/07/roadside.bombs.ap/index.html
then the surge didn’t work.
Whoopie shit. I could give a rats ass less. What I care about is that our troops aren’t getting blown up and we are a step closer to bringing them home.
All you have to do to “succeed” is send them out on fewer patrols.
SWEET !!! Then keep playing with the numbers and bring out troops home.
I don’t disagree with what you are saying. I am not out for talking points or the blame game. I just want the US the hell out of the Middle East.
Cap’n, I agreed with your post about Corsi over on the other one. But on this, I (respectfully) gotta say that you know squat about “The Civil War” or history. I’m around Civil War historians and ugh…re-enactor’s weekly, read some books not given to you by the government re-education camps.
And “The South” as you portray it, is a litmus test for all of the glorious governments’ programs.
“But on this, I (respectfully) gotta say that you know squat about “The Civil War””
Come get your plaque.
Here is the thing about the insults. I do not find anyone on the right to be sincere, because those who listen to Rush and perpetuate that hatefulness have been asked many times to stop playing dirty- and yet, they continue to do so.
It seems that the only time the right asks us to tone it down is when we’re fighting back and your side is getting pummelled. I didn’t hear anyone trying to pull back when John Kerry was being swiftboated. I didn’t hear anyone trying to pull back during the Lewinski scandal.
So please, you have created this. When the election is over, and Obama has won- we’ll see how very sincere you are. Until then- game on.
Freebird you sound like you have a handle on your problem. Congrats. You and Jwink today and VT yesterday have convinced me that a more civil tone is what we need here. That doesn’t mean that we can’t disagree but that we can disagree with civility.
Good Luck
P_Mom,
because those who listen to Rush and perpetuate that hatefulness
Have you met bluejay/jr/junior?
That would be great Sol, if we weren’t in part at least deciding the future of this country over whether or not the surge worked.
I understand JR’s anger. Your side just enjoys being mean.
If the South didn’t commit any crimes in causing the Civil War why did all of its leaders get pardoned, and Jefferson Davis was charged with treason it just never went to trial
Just because they “broke laws” that had the color of law, doesn’t make them Constitutional. Going through the motions looks good on paper. It builds a better story to put in government “school” text books.
“Jefferson Davis was charged with treason it just never went to trial”
It never went to trial, Period.
Davis never applied for a pardon. He said, “Why should I apply for a pardon? I haven’t pardoned them!”
Wholesale inflation at highest level since Reagan was in office in 1981.
if we weren’t in part at least deciding the future of this country over whether or not the surge worked.
I guess I have to fall back on that being a talking point and the blame game. What I care about is Iraqis policing Iraqis and our troops home.
The whole war (includinr going to) was mis-handled. Playinr Monday moring quarter back solves nothing.
Wow, more loving words from the left:
“People who help destroy my beloved country will receive no kindness from me.
As Stonewall Jackson said so famously, “we will give them the bayonet.”
I have said far less and have been and still continue to be hounded for making “threats”
Hypocrites.
“The Labor Department reported that wholesale prices shot up 1.2 percent in July, pushed higher by rising costs for energy, motor vehicles and other products. The increase was more than twice the 0.5 percent gain that economists expected.”
“Shot up!!!! 1.2 percent!!!”
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!
After that, fire the economists.
Wow, more loving words from the left:
Your side just enjoys being mean.
Hmmmmmmmmm
Nathan,
You ever think what would happen if you could place one brigade of Marines and one brigade of Army troops (with full log support) on the side of the south?
Someone ought to develop a video game. Put modern forces and tactics into historical battles/wars.
We seem to want the same thing, Sol, so I can’t find a way to fight you over it. We shouldn’t have taken on this war in the first place. I assume you’ll be voting for Obama then?
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CapnAmerica
Posted August 19, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink
Fleettwood says that seceeding is perfectly legal.
Wow, might it be possible to get the Southern States with their high federal funding, endemic poverty, poor education, high divorce, racism and CONservative (heh, same thing) to seceed again?
Just think of the leap forward the rest of the Union could make without the anchor of the Old Confederacy pulling us down.
Hell, we’d be like CANADA!
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CapnAmerica is certainly the most ill named poster on the blog.
I guess the nic is supposed to be a joke.
I assume you’ll be voting for Obama then?
Nah, I’ll vote for the one that hasn’t changed his mind. Ron Paul. Also, I don’t vote on one issue alone. I won’t vote for someone who will bankrupt this nation further. Ergo, neither McCain nor Obama will get my vote.
How will Obama pay for the additional one trillion in spending?
“Ever since Reagan, Linda, the liberals have hoped they could convince people through reason and facts. And ever since Reagan, our patriotism, morality, and humanity has been viciously attacked, ridiculed, and demeaned.”
I totally agree with that. But isnt obama trying to convince people with reason and facts? Why do you think that will work when it hasnt worked since before st. ronnie ray gun?
farmgrrl, will selecting Biden as VP go a ways toward having someone on McCain’s a** while Obama uses reason and facts?
Well Linda, ya better hope Joe “the gaff machine” Biden doesnt live up to his nic. Otherwise? Obama will be way overshaddowed by the gaffs. I like Biden, but… we all know him.
I’m getting nervous about sebelius again. I dont like what she said in Michigan today regarding the veepstakes.
But on the bright side, I wouldnt mind getting her out of the state, even if it sics her on the nation. She and obama are two peas in a pod.
Tim Kaine did the best smackdowns on the sunday morning bobblehead shows. He put the whoopie on em. He doesnt have much more experience than obama, but if the democrats are looking for a surrogate attack dog, I think Tim’s the guy. Plus, he could bring Virginia, which matters. And sebelius would likely not even bring kansas, which doesnt matter.
Biden is the kinda guy I’d like to have a beer with :)
Wholesale prices: Highest annual rate in 27 years
The Labor Department reports that its Producer Price Index increased by 1.2% in July and by 9.8% in the past year.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/19/news/economy/producer_prices/index.htm?postversion=2008081911
STAGFLATION ANYONE?
Who else have I heard that comment refer to? :-(
“ksfarmgrrl” asks –
“…isnt obama trying to convince people with reason and facts? Why do you think that will work when it hasnt worked since before st. ronnie ray gun?”
It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I’m reminded of Muhammad Ali’s victory over George Foreman. The Rope-a-Dope fight.
John S (for “senile”) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) has been going native all summer long with Rovian smears and, while Obama’s taken some punches, McC*nt hasn’t gained a bit in support.
Never underestimate the depths the CONservative slime machine might go, but it seems like they’ve thrown their roundhouse hooks to the body and are punching themselves out.
Don’t worry about it Monkeyhawk; they’ll find that white girl.
“How will Obama pay for the additional one trillion in spending?” — Sol
By taxing the piss out of Franklin.
McCain crashed 5 aircraft.
McCain was tortured for 5 years – imagine the PTSD
McCain draws $58,000 for disability from the Navy – to this day.
McCain says Washington is broken – What has he done of the 26(?) years he’s been there to fix it?
What makes this man qualified to lead?
Sucks to be you, cracker-franklin.
of = in
in sollies strange world.
Look folks; Michigan has the worst economy and highest unemployment rate in the country. We have a crappy governor. What she did wrong:
Raised taxes in a down trending economy
You can’t do that. Carter tried it. Doesn’t work. Makes things ever so much worse.
Obama promises you higher taxes. Comes right out and says it. If you think only the eeeevil rich will be taxed higher, your naiveté is beyond explanation.
From an email…
“Now for the news.
I am happy to announce that Country Music Superstar Sara Evans will perform as a special treat for Rally for the Republic attendees. Sara Evans, a multi-platinum recording artist and 2006 Academy of Country Music Female Vocalist of the Year, will bring her remarkable talents to an already stellar cast of performers and speakers for this kick off of my Campaign for Liberty.”
And for those concerned, Carol Paul is doing much better.
Awesome Sol! I haven’t been to the site in a while. Sara Evans…glad to see her branch away from that Hannity dude.
This should finish off ticket sales as well. Sold out crowd, just down the street from the GOP.
You going? I can’t afford the trip nor the time off work. Would be good to hear some first hand stories.
I’m not able to go. But, it’ll be on YouTube (hopefully).
Good call. Hadn’t thought about that. Thx.
Sure thing.
“Nah, I’ll vote for the one that hasn’t changed his mind. Ron Paul.”
SolDevVB, I haven’t seen Ron Paul’s name in the media as having registered to run in Kansas.
I think the candidates are listed below, however, I don’t know how many have filed a valid petition in Kansas:
Ralph Nader Independence Party
Alan Keyes America’s Independent Party
Brian Moore Socialists Party
Róger Calero Socialist Workers Party
Gloria La Riva Socialism and Liberation Party
Ted WeillChuck Baldwin Reform Party
John McCain Republican Party
Barack Obama Democrat Party
Bob Barr Libertarian Party
Cynthia McKinney Green Party
Dates to Remember (are your friends registered?):
Weds, October 15 Advance voting general election
Mon, October 20 Last day to reg general election
Tues, 4 November General Election*
*Should be a national holiday to get out the vote IMHO.
I’m writting him in AmWay. I’ll go to sleep that night knowing I did what was best for my country.
Will you?
Phoenix New Times, March 25, 1999 — Two former POWs, Air Force Colonels Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson, said in a feature article that while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it. Both Guy and Larson were senior ranking officers (SRO’s) in McCain’s POW camp at a time he claims he was in solitary confinement and being tortured.
Larson told the New Times, “Between the two of us, it’s our belief, and to the best of our knowledge, that no prisoner was beaten or harmed physically in that camp [known as 'The Plantation'].
“My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted’s knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from.”
“A robber took money and battered a restaurant employee around 7 p.m. Monday at the Spangles”
Reads more like it happened at an IHOP.
I’m voting conscience this year as well Sol. A write-in for Dr. Paul for me, hell, I still have his yard sign up…just until I can say, “I told you so”.
Ron Paul. I’ll sleep good that night too.
It’ll be more a statement to the still bewildered republican party (what happened?), than anything else.
I don’t think anyone who votes their conscience is throwing away their vote.
I still have his yard sign up
Ha! I have both of mine still up and the bumper sticker. I have three t-shirts I still wear as well.
Me too…hahahahahaha.
“I’m voting conscience this year as well Sol.”
Me too. CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“battered a restaurant employee”
I wonder if it was a beer batter or a pancake batter?
Good on ya Pleef, AmWay and Farmie.
Why does McCain hate POWs and their families?
During the hearings, he worked hand in hand with his Sen. John Kerry, the panel’s co-chairman, to discredit voluminous evidence indicating that Vietnam was still held a sizeable numbers of U.S. servicemen alive after the prisoner return in 1973.
McCain stood out because he “always showed up for the committee hearings where witnesses were going to talk about specific pieces of evidence. He would belittle and berate these witnesses, questioning their patriotism and otherwise scoffing at their credibility. All of this is on record in the National Archives . . . ”
When, on Nov. 11, 1992, McCain was advised that Dolores Apodaca Alfond, chairwoman of the National Alliance of POW/MIA Families (her pilot brother, Capt. Victor J. Apodaca, is missing in action in North Vietnam), was offering some testimony that was critical of the Senate Committee, he rushed into the room to confront her.
Award winning journalist Sydney Schanberg described the scene. “His face [McCain] angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making “allegations … that are patently and totally false and deceptive.” Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: “And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people’s [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours.”
By this time, tears were running down Alfond’s cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: “The family members have been waiting for years — years! And now you’re shutting down.” He kept interrupting her. She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults. He kept talking over her words. He said she was accusing him and others of “some conspiracy without proof, and some cover-up.” She said she was merely seeking “some answers. That is what I am asking.” He ripped into her for using the word “fiasco.” She replied: “The fiasco was the people that stepped out and said we have written the end, the final chapter to Vietnam.” “No one said that,” he shouted. “No one said what you are saying they said, Ms. Alfond.” And then, his face flaming pink, he stalked out of the room, to shouts of disfavor from members of the audience.
McCain took the lead in demanding a U.S. Justice Department investigation of POW/MIA families and activists accusing them of fraud because in some of their fund-raising literature they claimed the U.S. government knowingly left U.S. POWs behind after the Vietnam War and that some remain alive today.
McCain told reporters, “The people who have done these things are not zealots in a good cause. They are the most craven, most cynical and most despicable human beings to ever run a scam.” The Justice Department did investigate the POW/MIA families and activists finding NO scams or reasons to charge anyone.
The SPOTLIGHT November 15, 1999
McCain is famous in POW-MIA activist circles for his clashes with those who disagree with his conclusion that no American POW or MIA was left alive in communist hands when he was repatriated by the Hanoi government in 1973.
Perhaps the best example of his crude treatment of the loved ones of still-unaccounted-for POWs and MIAs is illustrated by an incident that occurred in 1996 when the senator’s path crossed with a number of POW-MIA family members outside of a hearing room in Washington.
Upon leaving the room, McCain immediately quarreled with family members, who were eager to question him on the issue. Instead of answering their questions, the Arizona senator pushed and shoved them out of his way, nearly toppling the wheelchair of POW-MIA mother Jane Duke Gaylor, whose son, Charles Duke, a civilian worker in Vietnam, is among the same 2,300 American POWs and MIAs still unaccounted for by the communists.
The Duke case file contains sufficient evidence that Duke was a prisoner of the communists, according to Garnet “Bill” Bell, who headed the U.S. government POW-MIA office in Hanoi.
The POW-MIA activists, shocked and horrified by McCain’s crude behavior toward Mrs Gaylor, registered their complaints with Senate officials. Mrs Gaylor and her niece, Geannette Jenkins, who was pushing her wheelchair, were advised by Sgt. Dana Sundberg of the Capitol Hill Police to file assault charges against McCain. They declined, fearful of the power of the Arizona senator.
Actually, I’m probably not going to vote. No kidding.
No one is running for my old precint position. My county commissioner has no opposition. Nor do my state rep or my state senator (thank you tim peterson. Moran has virtually no opposition (thank you tim peterson). Slattery has no chance against roberts, and they are BOTH support the hate amendment, so why vote I for either of them?
And as for preznit? Well, unless I vote for mcsame, my vote wont count anyway. And I’m pretty sure Cynthia isnt even on the ballot in Kansas. Why would she bother to spend resources here?
So ya see, there really is NO reason for me to go to the polls.
But I hope the rest of you have fun…
OOOOOOOPS!
The nutroots have been whining for a couple days now about the copying of McCain’s “Cross in the Dirt” story from Solzhenitsyn.
But there’s a problem for the DU/Kos kiddies: NO such story appears in Solzhenitsyn’s writings. I’m no expert on Solzhenitsyn’s works, but this guy is:
But it turns out that this episode probably never happened to Solzhenitsyn at all, and according to a Solzhenitsyn biographer it appears nowhere in his published writing. Columbia University professor Michael Scammell, the author of Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, says the episode “never happened,” and didn’t appear in Solzhenitsyn’s book, Gulag Archipelago, either.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/solzhenitsyn_biographer_crossi.php
Ouch. That’s gotta leave a mark. Think it will matter to the moonbats? Nah. The smearing of the nutroot left never stops. And truth is so, like, relative, man.
Well, there’s always the “He cheated, there was no Cone of Silence!” meme to fall back on . . .
“unless I vote for mcsame, my vote wont count anyway.”
I used to think that way.
But how cool would it be if so many former republicans (or conservatives who voted republican) in Kansas did NOT vote for McClame, and Obama won? Or McCain lost by the number of votes which went to independents?
The public/press/media would have to say – Republicans lost in traditional, and the most republican states.
When they ask why, the dead republican party MIGHT wake up if that is possible. Personally I think it will take a decade at least – and that’s if they straighten up!
But I don’t think Farmgirl would be making the same sort of statement.
W T F ????? It has been 9 WHOLE DAYS since Brownlee last bashed the Tiarhrt Amendment.
See the last bashing done here at: http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/08/tiahrt-amendment%e2%80%99s-days-numbered/#comment-399134
Can we LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZEEAH get a permanent Tiahrt Amendment Bashing Topic on this blog?
Editors? Brownlee? Brady & Co need all the help they can get to ban guns, and Brownlee, you are letting Sara Brady down, big time!
(Note to self: Save the 8/10/2008 Version 7.0 of Tiahrt Amendment Bashing by Brownlee. When Brownlee reprints the same lies, the same responses are required.)
Forgot to had the “P”.
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Let’s talk about what Freedom Obama will support, since he DOES NOT support the Freedom to defend yourself in your own home.
You Obama Lovers, please list the Freedom Obama supports here:
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3.
http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/sg0508.pdf
“If my actions have spared only one
family from the distress and trauma
that this habitual criminal has caused
hundreds of others, then I have served
my civic duty and taken one evil
creature off of our streets, something
that our impotent criminal justice
system had failed to do, despite some
thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and
suspended sentences.”
The burglar, who was arrested after
driving DeMar’s stolen suv to a hospital,
had an extensive criminal record.
Cook County prosecutors ultimately
declared DeMar’s use of a firearm to be
justified. But Wilmette village officials
pressed nonetheless to prosecute him
for illegal possession of his handgun—a
charge punishable by a huge fine and
jail time. A town official was quoted
in Reason magazine saying, “We
need to set the example that we’re
trying to protect our citizens.” And he
said, DeMar—by possessing a legally
purchased handgun—“is endangering
innocent civilians.”
The outcry of the Illinois public was
heard all the way to the state capitol.
As a result, the Illinois House and
Senate passed legislation in May 2004
to protect citizens who use handguns
in self-defense in their homes or
businesses despite local handgun bans.
The House accepted the DeMar selfdefense
bill by a vote of 86-25 and
the Senate moved the legislation on a
38-20 vote.
And here lies the seminal moment
for state Senator Barack Obama. When
Obama turned thumbs down on the
bill, he voted against the most basic
element of the Second Amendment—
the right of defense of self and family—
the reason that millions of Americans
own firearms.
When the governor vetoed the bill,
Obama once again voted against a
citizen’s right to self-defense. Despite
his vote, the veto override passed the
Senate and the House by overwhelming
majorities, thereby enacting this bill
into law.
http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/sg0508.pdf
Obama favors gun registration.
That will make it easier for the Government to know which law-abiding citizens own guns.
And easier to confiscate later.
Those who do not register their guns, will become criminals (if they aren’t already), but they will keep their guns.
You know, I figured out why Liberals don’t care about Freedom and keeping their own property.
They don’t have property that has been earned, it’s all been given to them. That’s why they don’t take care of it, and don’t care if it gets taken away. Government will give them back everything they need.
They expect the Government to take the big Doctor’s house in the nice neighborhood, and give it to them. Cause the Doctor has more then they do.
Their mouths are full of “Gimme, Gimme, Gimme” and their arms are always reaching out with ther palms up, in the pose of beggars.
When you are in the bottom 50% earning less then $30,000/year, and paying 2.8% of the Income Tax, you are desparately begging for Tax Increases.
McCain’s ads warning about Obama’s Tax Increases, actually just excites Obama’s base. (Who is jumping up and down and smiling with Glee at the thought of More Government Handouts!)
Bloomberg is running for President? And Paul is on the ballot, too!?
August 19th, 2008 ·
New York’s billionaire mayor is not launching an unexpected bid for the White House. He is, however, on the Virginia ballot as a candidate for president, with Ron Paul as his vice president. More incredible is the fact that this happened without the knowledge of either Bloomberg or Paul.
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/bloomberg-is-running-for-president-and-paul-is-on-the-ballot-too/
The natives be restless
11,000+ Republican Supporters Sign Pledge to Not Vote for McCain at LetterToGOP.com
Over 11,000 former Ron Paul supporters have signed a letter to the GOP stating the reasons they will not vote for presumptive nominee John McCain. They feel that McCain can not beat Obama in the presidential race, and if McCain is the nominee, they will be voting for somebody other than McCain for president.
Denver, CO (PRWEB) August 19, 2008 — As the Republican party calls for “Party Unity”, most Ron Paul supporters have vowed to not vote for McCain for president. These Ron Paul supporters, arguably the most active grassroots group this election season, will move their support away from the Republican party to either Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, or even Barack Obama, if McCain is the Republican nominee. Ron Paul suspended his campaign in June of 2008, but his supporters remain active, and are supporting Ron Paul’s new advocacy group, Campaign For Liberty. In an effort to keep Ron Paul supporters within the Republican party and defeat Barack Obama, Letter to the National GOP urges the GOP to reconsider “Party Unity” under John McCain, and will continue its efforts by reaching out to delegates to the Republican National Convention.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/8/prweb1225614.htm
“When you are in the bottom 50% earning less then $30,000/year, and paying 2.8% of the Income Tax, you are desparately begging for Tax Increases.”
Max, I was surprised when I read the Thread on “How much is Rich?” how many of the regular posters here believe 50K is a LOT of money. Some of them made it sound like 150K is MILLIONS to them.
I wonder, if instead of wasting their entire day posting here – what if they went and got a second job, went to college, or started a business, instead of wasting away on Weblogville, they might realize 50K is nothing.
Max – I fully expect that MY taxes will go up under Obama. That is preferable, however, to the continued runaway deficits McCain promises.
With regard to the speculation over who will be Obama’s VP choice, I read this at The Christian Science Monitor and laughed. Funny stuff!
It’s Delaware Senator Joe Biden, Indiana Senator Evan Bayh and Virginia Governor Tim Kaine. Although Kansas Governor Kathy Sebelius is still a mention and former rival Senator Hillary Clinton is considered a longshot but a favorite of many. Incredibly, FOX News includes Massachusetts Senator John Kerry as a possible selection.
Then you hear from those “close” to the Senator and those “close” to the campaign and those “close” to advisers who know people in the campaign and those “close” to the guy who works at Dunkin’ Donuts who lives a block down the street from a guy whose sister used to date a lounge singer who watches Hardball a lot. And they’ll all tell you why they know who the selection will be.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/08/19/obamas-vp-pick-predictions-internet-hoaxes-and-guarantees/
2nd job? Amway, you mean they should get a First Job, don’t you?
They expect something for nothing. Where’s my money tree?
DAMN — It’s the SOL, MAX, and AMWAY show!!
Take it away boys!! Ah 1, and Ah 2, and Ah 3…. Fade in Upper midwest polka music…
Up by how many Dollars BTH?
I expect mine would go up by $4,000 to $5,000 per year.
Everytime someone gets something for nothing, someone like me has to EARN IT, so it can be taken from me, and given to them.
Think about that takers…Every Time you get something for nothing, one of your neighbors is having to work to pay for you. Do you feel good about that? Proud even?
Max – so you would rather just leave the bills for my grandchildren to pay?
Chas
Posted August 19, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink
I’m outta here for now — got to make a couple of appts. Maybe back later…
Have a nice evening all!!
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Chas
Posted August 19, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
DAMN — It’s the SOL, MAX, and AMWAY show!!
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Hmmmmmm.
Linda — Limbaugh and Hannity are dead certain it is Biden…. I hope it isnt, so we can watch them poodle dance all week, telling us all how they were wrong, but… they were still right!!
They say they got it from Drudge… who is usually wrong more than he is right!! What a Maroon!!
Oh, by the way, that $5,000 additional in taxes Obama will take from me, will mean there will be $5,000 less available to spend and invest.
Spending in America drives job growth. Investment in America drives Employer growth.
Take away the Spending and Investing Freedom of Americans, and you take away the Productive Growth of American jobs.
But then, that’s what you Libs want. You want EVERYONE to be dependent on a Government handout.
Pesonally, I think if Obama has an ounce of brains, he should either go with Wesley Clark, Chuck Hagel, OR Bill Richardson(my favorite first choice)…
MAX >>> “Spending in America drives job growth. Investment in America drives Employer growth.”
IF they take it from YOU, and give it to somebody else to SPEND…. then that spending will drive job growth, and be an investment in America, and drive employer growth…. just coming from a different follower of the pied piper… ROFL!!!
How long do you think it will take Secretary Rice to get those deep furrows out of her forehead? She could be so easy to look at if she could speak without wrinkling up her forehead to the extreme. I think that is supposed to indicate she is serious or something… I get a mental image of “Trust me,” and know I can’t.
How much more Dollars will you pay bth?
Sorry if I missed your answer.
Again I have to point to Michigan. Worst economy in the US. Highest unemployment in the US. Why?
Because we have a liberal governor and you
DON’T RAISE TAXES ON A DOWN TRENDING ECONOMY
It doens’t work. Killed Carter. Shit, Carter nearly killed US !!!!
“But then, that’s what you Libs want. You want EVERYONE to be dependent on a Government handout.”
That is a lie. This “liberal” taxpayer wants economic prosperity which is being undermined by the massive debt cons like you want.
I am outta here… appt. time…. back later, maybe….
BlogMonitor = BM = TROLL… DNFTT
Chas
Posted August 19, 2008 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
MAX >>> “Spending in America drives job growth. Investment in America drives Employer growth.”
IF they take it from YOU, and give it to somebody else to SPEND…. then that spending will drive job growth, and be an investment in America, and drive employer growth…. just coming from a different follower of the pied piper… ROFL!!!
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And what INCENTIVE will the TAKER have to be Productive, and Work, and Contribute something?
For the Libs, there’s a fixed amount of pie available. For the Cons, we’re all about everybody contributing to making the entire Pie Bigger.
“MaxGrobnik
Posted August 19, 2008 at 4:05 pm | Permalink
How much more Dollars will you pay bth?
Sorry if I missed your answer.”
Not sure – it will depend on (a) the details of what he has to do to pay your credit card bills and (b) howmy investments and business do.
Oh, and what INCENTIVE will there be for the Productive Givers, (who have their money taken from them) to Continue to be Productive?
None.
The Pie gets smaller under the Lib approach.
linda – i think KindaLoser Rice is having a bad week. Russia doesn’t seem to be afraid of her … even though she does have all those wonderful bases in Iraq to launch our military help for Georgia from.
:)
Ok bth, at the very least, Obama will let the Bush tax cuts expire.
How much did your taxes go down in 2003?
“The Pie gets smaller under the Lib approach.”
Just like it did during the Depression that began in 1993.
MAX — All the “receiver” need do is buy normal every day staples…. You know, food, utilities, gasoline, prescriptions, just the general every day kind of stuff… THAT is the best investment Americans can make!!
Hey, just ask Bush…. Thats what he told everybody to do after 9/11!!! He said THAT is how we let the world know we arent defeated…. And here you are — arguing against it…. ROFL!!!
Max – I’m not going to do the research for you. They went down a bit but not a whole lot.
Damn would you look at Michigan and what raising taxes do to a down trending economy? Good Lord what further proof do you need?
Gosh bth, I don’t want debt.
My answer to debt would be to cut SPENDING.
I don’t need more hand outs. America needs fewer handouts. Handouts make America WEAK and LESS PRODUCTIVE!!!
Would a fly without wings be called a walk?
For fun, and it’s interesting!
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Wild dolphins tail-walk on water
A wild dolphin is apparently teaching other members of her group to walk on their tails, a behaviour usually seen only after training in captivity.
The tail-walking group lives along the south Australian coast near Adelaide.
One of them spent a short time after illness in a dolphinarium 20 years ago and may have picked up the trick there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7570097.stm
bth
Posted August 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
Max – I fully expect that MY taxes will go up under Obama. That is preferable, however, to the continued runaway deficits McCain promises.
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BTH proved my point. The LIBS don’t really expect to pay more taxes. They pay little or nothing today.
BTH refused to answer how much more DOLLARS he expected to pay, so he just lied with his post above.
BTH, like other LIBS, expects SOMEONE ELSE to pay more.
Max, in other words Sen. Obama, if elected President, and if both houses of Congress agree, will do nothing to change the existing provisions of the Code on tax rates. You disagree with that; I understand that you do. However, the “sunset” provisions were contained in the bill signed into law by the current President.
Somewhat different from “Obama will let the Bush tax cuts expire” as I see it; they were scheduled to expire with no action required by anyone.
Coal’s toxic legacy to the Arctic
Coal burning in western Europe and North America has been a prime source of heavy metal pollution in the Arctic.
Scientists plotted levels of thallium, cadmium and lead in a Greenland ice core and linked them to other chemicals indicating coal as the main origin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7568748.stm
Linda,
Spent a Christmas on the beach in Mexico. The dolphins would jump and ‘play’ most evenings around sunset. Gotta tell you watching the sun set on that emerald green water with dolphins jumping about was quite the site.
Thank you for bringing back that memory.
Ok Chas, can you not answer the questions?
Oh, and what INCENTIVE will there be for the Productive Givers, (who have their money taken from them) to Continue to be Productive?
And what INCENTIVE will the TAKER have to be Productive, and Work, and Contribute something?
Government already takes 4/9 of Personal Income. (Fed/State/Local). What happens when more then 1/2 is taken?
The Producers change sides. We all become Takers then.
The Pie gets smaller.
“DAMN — It’s the SOL, MAX, and AMWAY show!!
Take it away boys!! Ah 1, and Ah 2, and Ah 3…. Fade in Upper midwest polka music…”
(Above is definition of a troll)
“I am outta here… appt. time…. back later, maybe….
(Above is the post of a liar. Can’t ever believe a liar.)
Chas = adolescent punk = TROLL… DNFTT
Yes avt, technically correct.
Obama will stand by and do nothing, and watch the car crash. Taxes will go up.
Senator McCain, should he be elected, cannot keep the Bush tax cuts in effect longer without both houses of Congress agreeing; so, if there is a truly divided government (politically) post-2008 elections, then there’s not much he will be able to do, either, to avoid the expiration of said cuts. Seems to me that while it makes good fodder for discussion, it’s up to the Congress, and not the President. That’s all, Max; trying to point out that while the President may use the “bully pulpit”, it is up to the Congress.
“Spent a Christmas on the beach in Mexico. The dolphins would jump and ‘play’ most evenings around sunset. Gotta tell you watching the sun set on that emerald green water with dolphins jumping about was quite the site.”
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Sol, you strung those words together so well and with such enthusiasm I could almost see it, feel the ocean most, appreciate the colors. WOW!
Ahhh avt, a good point.
The President doesn’t have ultimate power. So, all of the promises of both candidates can be ignoredd.
HAve a great evening Linda.
Night all.
There is avt, a large amount of Veto Power for the President, especially with an evenly divided Congress.
“post-2008 elections, then there’s not much he will be able to do, either, to avoid the expiration of said cuts.”
Radical idea: “Give it to the Wookiee”
If Obama wins he will be faced with the same deadline. Once a democrat is in power, the media will have to admit the Bush Tax Cuts provided tax relief to middle class workers.
As the deadline approaches, the media will flame the terrible crime that letting the tax cuts expire – will hurt the middle class.
Obama will be tortured and forced to disclose who really is RICH – and he will have to decide to keep the tax cuts in place, which do benefit the most people at or below middle class.
With a liberal congress and president, they will HAVE to re-legislate the breaks at least for the middle American.
Researchers from the Stanford University School of Medicine confirm that human embryonic stem cells transplanted into mice cause immune system rejection, in addition to causing cancerous tumors and uncontrolled tissue growth. This means that useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research will likely remain far too unstable and unsafe for human trials for decades, if ever.
Meanwhile, Children’s National Medical Center will join more than 20 other medical institutions in the first-ever Phase II clinical trial of a new treatment using unrelated donor marrow and umbilical cord blood transplants for severe sickle cell disease. Starting in late August, the clinical trial will enroll 45 patients ages 3 to 16 with severe symptoms of sickle cell disease, including stroke, recurring acute chest syndrome, or frequent pain crises. If successful, the Sickle Cell Unrelated Transplant (SCURT) trial has the potential to extend a promising and possibly curative treatment option to more severely affected patients. Sickle cell disease affects approximately 70,000 people in the United States.
But since it only involves ethical adult stem cell treatment, this landmark clinical trial, which could very well produce a sickle cell cure in two years or so, will likely be underreported, since the media and the ruthless, unethical, leftist Kansas Traditional Republican Majority want to divert taxpayer funding to useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research.
See science page
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080818183506.htm
and page
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080818183946.htm
On the other hand, if McClame wins, he cannot force congress to send him a bill extending the tax cuts.
The lib controlled Congress “might” send him a bill extending the cut for the middle class only – excluding the “rich”.
McClame will be stuck. He can’t veto the middle class, or he appears heartless. He also will appear inconsistent if he believes the entire gamit of tax cuts are good. Why veto part of what’s good?
Again, libs look good.
But we won’t see legislation reach the presidents desk extending or reenacting the tax breaks for the “rich”. Sorry, the really really rich need to start talking to their accountants NOW.
Yes, Max, there is the Veto. However, if neither side can override the veto, then the current law remains in effect. Not that I think it will, BTW. What happens to the current law depends a great deal on not only who is elected President, but who is elected to the Senate and the House of Representatives.
Indulge me in the following hypothetical: Sen. McCain is elected President. The Democrats take control of both houses of Congress, that is, veto-proof majorities in both. The tax plan proposed by Sen. Obama is passed; President McCain vetoes; the veto is not overridden. The process is repeated several times, at which point the current law’s provisions remain in effect.
Another hypothetical: Sen. Obama is elected President. The Democrats do not achieve real control, in this case, less than the 60 votes needed to force cloture in the Senate, and not an overwhelming majority in the House. A bill to enact Sen. Obama’s plan is passed by the House, but is filibustered within the Senate; no cloture is achieved. The current law’s provisions again remain in effect.
Either way, the President cannot do a thing about it.
Federal inspectors at U.S. border crossings repeatedly turned back filthy, disease-ridden shipments of peppers from Mexico in the months before a salmonella outbreak that sickened 1,400 people was finally traced to Mexican chilies. Yet no larger action was taken. FDA officials insisted as recently as last week that they were surprised by the outbreak because Mexican peppers had not been spotted as a problem before.
But an Associated Press analysis of FDA records found that peppers and chilies were consistently the top Mexican crop rejected by border inspectors for the last year. Since January alone, 88 shipments of fresh and dried chilies were turned away. 10% were contaminated with salmonella. In the last year, 8% of the 158 intercepted shipments of fresh and dried chilies had salmonella. 84% of the fresh peppers eaten by Americans come from Mexico.
On Friday, Dr. David Acheson, the FDA’s food safety chief, pleading ignorance in an area in which he’s paid by taxpayers to be knowledgeable for the protection of public health, told reporters peppers were not a cause for concern before they were implicated in the salmonella outbreak.
“We have not typically seen problems with peppers,” Acheson said
[We are not being adequately protected by the FDA’s food safety division, probably because of pro-Mexican political sentiments, which will not help those Americans infected by salmonella, or those that lost their tomato crops for no good reason other than a diversion. Fire Acheson, somebody.]
AmericanWay, your examples are better than mine, although we get basically to the same result. While I don’t pretend to know what “rich” is, I’d hope that all within that elusive definition do consult with their accountants, and when appropriate, their attorneys. :-)
After all, each “tax reform” that passes could be subtitled the Accountants’ and Attorneys’ Full Employment Act.
Yup avt, either way, the current Congress has set America up for failure, or at the very least, has done nothing to change the direction of the downward spiral.
What has the current Congress even proposed?
Ahh, it’s easier to come up with an excuse for doing nothing, then doing something – even if it’s vetoed.
If it’s vetoed, the blame can be squarely placed on the President. If it’s signed, the blame (for failure or success) can be placed on Congress.
Nobody really wants to take responsibility, do they?
It’s all about power for themselves. And they sit back and watch us all fight each other, while incumbents continue to return to Washington with a 90 to 95% return rate.
If you really want Change in America, VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT!
Obama plans big Illinois rally Saturday. VP pick day?
Looks like Illinois Sen. Barack Obama may be making his vice presidential announcement on Saturday back home again in Indiana, no, Illinois.
The Obama campaign has confirmed it is planning an event there then at the Old State Capitol, which just happens to be where the freshman senator officially announced his run for the White House three years ago.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/obama-vp-1.html
avtolle
Posted August 19, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
After all, each “tax reform” that passes could be subtitled the Accountants’ and Attorneys’ Full Employment Act.
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All the more reason for a Modified Flat Tax!
I’ve posted Max’s tax plan before.
Alas, I must go. Have some appointments ya know.
Bank at 5:30.
Chas for drinks at 7:00.
Attorney for dinner and discuss lawsuit at 8:00.
Brownlee for drinks and discuss lawsuit at 9:00.
Bar at 10:00.
if there is a truly divided government (politically) post-2008 elections, then there’s not much he [McCain] will be able to do, either, to avoid the expiration of said cuts.
And VT – that’s not a bad outcome, usually. I have always believed that in most cases, the best thing gov’t can do is nothing.
Here, however, doing nothing is in fact doing something.
Raising taxes on a struggleing economy is indeed generally a bad play. And frankly it makes little difference just who the taxes are raised on; dollars are fungible, and tax increases can often (though not always) be passed on to someone else. Generally, it’s consumers who will be stuck. It’s like corporate taxes – a corporation is an artificial construct, a legal fiction. Legal fictions don’t pay taxes, people do. And people, often those on the lower end of the income scale, get stuck with “corporate” taxes.
Spending msut be attacked – seriously – and neither party has been willing to do that for years, if not decades. Until that happens, no tax increase will EVER be enough. There will never be enough taxes to support gov’t spending unless we do so, as the growth in spending will always outstrip our willingness to pay for it.
Usually not a good idea to cut taxes when going to war, and funding said war on deficit spending.
Agreed, GMC, that doing nothing in this case is doing something. That’s why I believe regardless of who may be elected President and which party is in control of the Congress, something will be done in the tax area. What is to be done, however, varies greatly given the positions of the candidates.
Raising taxes in a down economy is never a good idea; no question. Cutting spending; of course; the devil’s in the details. Where the cuts should be made depends on who is in charge (obvious, huh?).
The trouble is that cutting spending in a down economy is not so great either. Gov’t deficits spur the economy in the short term.
According to John Manyard Keynes anyway.
Max/avtolle,
Am I missing something?
The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (Pub.L. 107-16, 115 Stat. 38, June 7, 2001), has a sunset provision to expire 1 January, 2011 unless Congress specifically acts to extend, renew, or in part renew the tax relief provisions.
If congress does not propose, approve, and send to the President legislation prior to that date – the entire package of tax cuts expire.
In other words do nothing.
There will be nothing for a president to veto. And the president cannot force congress to send him legislation extending the Act.
I’m assuming a democrat majority in both houses. So regardless of the composition needed to pass tax cuts in both chambers – there will not be anything going to the president to veto.
Only if the libs decide they have lied all these years, and there are features of the The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 which DID benefit the unrich. (like 10% tax rate for one).
Yes, Capn, that’s true. The part that is often disregarded is the increasing government revenues during prosperity to build reserves for the next down cycle, something that insofar as I’ve be able to determine, is routinely ignored.
Phantom, agree on your point about decreasing revenue (taxes) during “times of war”. Kind of reminiscent of the “guns and butter” days of the early part, at least, of the Viet Nam years.
AmericanWay, you have stated that more clearly than how I was able to do so. I, too, anticipate a Democratic majority within Congress over the next two years. As GMC has pointed out, this is one case where “doing nothing” is “doing something”, i.e., allowing the cuts under the current law to expire by its own terms.
I fully expect there to be action on this before 1 January 2011; what form that action may take is not clear. I do not expect, from what I can read and hear, that the current provisions will remain intact.
The George W. Bush Presidential Library is now in the planning stages.
The Library will include the following:
The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under construction.
The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you won’t be able to remember anything.
The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don’t even have to show up.
The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don’t let you in.
The Guantanamo Bay Room, where they don’t let you out.
The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room, which no one has been able to find.
The National Debt room which is huge and has no ceiling.
The ‘Tax Cut’ Room with entry only to the wealthy.
The ‘Economy Room’ which is in the toilet.
The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make you to go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tour.
The Dick Cheney Room, in the famous undisclosed location, complete with shotgun gallery.
The Environmental Conservation Room, still empty.
The Airport Men’s Room, where you can meet some of your favorite Republican Senators.
The ‘Decider Room’ complete with dart board, magic 8-ball, Ouija board, dice, coins, and straws.
The museum will also have an electron microscope to help you locate the President’s accomplishments.
“Phantom, agree on your point about decreasing revenue (taxes) during “times of war”.”
The Bush Tax Cuts were enacted in June of 2001.
When exactly did we “go to war”?
Max you act like all of your predictions will happen in the future, ie; 2010. But unfortunately, it’s happening now, under the approving and watchful eyes of the Bush Administration and the limp Congress. Obama and McCain are not going to help anyone.
This country is toast until…well it’s just toast.
For those who might argue that the “Guns and Butter” days were merely increased spending, may I suggest taking a hard look at the changes to the IRC made by the Congress in the early 1960s, in response to Pres. Kennedy’s urging. Things like cutting the maximum rate, introduction of the ITC, accelerated depreciation, etc., all of which did cut taxes in a “time of war”.
Some of the provisions which helped the rich (cough, cough), such as the reduction of the tax rate to 10% and EIC were in fact RETROactive to 2000, so they could immediately help the (cough, cough) rich.
The Bush Tax Cuts came before the war.
AmericanWay, I should have clarified my thoughts a bit; once it was determined to go to Afghanistan and then into Iraq, the tax cuts then in effect should have been suspended, at the very least; and continued to be held in suspense until the occupation of Iraq was concluded, and our forces no longer in Afghanistan. Alternatively, there might have been a War Profits Tax imposed. Yeah, I know, all those unpleasantries were going to be over in a short period of time (and, insofar as Iraq is concerned, the actual military operations to topple Saddam were), so no one really would have made any real money during the “war” from profiting from increased spending on acquisition of materiel.
“so no one really would have made any real money during the “war” from profiting”
Maybe, but someone always profits on war. Look at the profits of the DoD contractors, which includes everything from meat processing plants, clothes, equipment, and of course the big contractors. Financers. Oil Companies. Old read book, None Dare Call it Conspiracy”. Bankers make war.
But to say we should have suspended the tax cuts, and in fact enacted a “war tax” is all after the fact. The world changed on 911. Not sure we knew where we were going in 2002.
“parkay
Posted August 19, 2008 at 4:43 pm | Permalink
Researchers from the Stanford University School of Medicine confirm that human embryonic stem cells transplanted into mice cause immune system rejection, in addition to causing cancerous tumors and uncontrolled tissue growth. This means that useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research will likely remain far too unstable and unsafe for human trials for decades, if ever.”
Meaningless Parkay. HUMAN cells injected into mice cause problems. What does THAT prove? The idea with the stem research is human cells into human. There IS a difference.
This explains a lot –
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/08/19/tomo/
Thanks for the link Monkeyhawk. Here’s what I found there:
As a consequence of this overall shortage and distribution, more primary care positions are being taken by foreign medical school graduates. Nearly half of the internal medicine and primary care residency slots are now filled by foreign graduates; one in four new practicing physicians in the U.S. is an international medical graduate.
These statistics aren’t meant to imply any criticism of foreign graduates, but only to point out the rapidly changing demographics of American primary care medicine, and that currently the de facto national healthcare policy is to replace the disappearing U.S.-schooled primary care physicians with doctors trained elsewhere. The underlying message is loud and clear: The U.S. is increasingly reliant upon foreign doctors because U.S.-trained physicians aren’t interested.
Between 1995 and 2003, physicians’ net income fell about 7% after adjusting for
inflation, and primary-care doctors saw their real wages drop more than 10% in that
time, according to a report from the Center for Studying Health System Change
(HSC,) a nonpartisan research organization in Washington.
Physicians’ professional counterparts such as lawyers and engineers saw a 7%
inflation-adjusted gain over those eight years.
Flat or declining Medicare reimbursements and payments from private health insurers
are a major contributor to lower physician earnings, the report said. Falling take-home
pay may explain why fewer doctors are willing to perform charity care or volunteer to
serve on hospital committees.
While physicians aren’t hurting for money – their net income was $203,000 on average
in 2003 – the income slide is cause for concern, experts said. Financial disincentives
aleady threaten the supply of primary-care doctors, family physicians, general internists
and pediatricians, as medical students with large debt loads are lured to more lucrative specialties.
Doctor shortages are pronounced across the nation, but rural areas are affected the most. These trends of expecting Marcus Welby to hang his shingle for less money but more patient load requirements from Medicare – are leading to disaster as our nation ages. Britian and Canada are facing severe shortages.
“Doctor shortages are pronounced across the nation, but rural areas are affected the most.”
And it is this is why.
“Flat or declining Medicare reimbursements”
As the population ages here, and skews the demographic, larger and larger portions of our doc’s practices are Medicare patients. It’s killing our pharmacies too.
I’m tellin’ ya, economic development out here should NOT be about jobs, no matter what neufeld says. It is ALL about population. Jobs are going begging out here. Especially mfg jobs and trades. NO one has enough help here. More jobs? Heh. We need more people. Quality of life is the number one issue hindering population stabilization or growth.
It’s the dirty little secret in economic development. It is the subject no one wants to address. So… I guess they will just whistle past the graveyard on their way to the Buffalo Commons and/or the Airstream Trailor Scenario.
Damn I sure wish I could find all these handouts Maxine keeps telling us about.
I must be missing something. I can’t find them.
But boy do I see the investor class living higher and higher while everyone else suffers.
When you make money ON money, there is no work done, no good produced. Government hires people. Government hires things done.
What do the greedy do but invite ya over to clean their pool?
But.. ya gotta hand it to Quinter. A town of about a thousand people, and they have FIVE, count ‘em, FIVE doctors, three of whom are under forty, with the other two under fifty five. I credit Paul Davis, their most excellent hospital administrator who put physician recruitment at the top of his to do list a long time ago.
BlogMonitor = BM = LYING TROLL… DNFTT
As usual >>>>
MAX = Delusional, paranoid, dimwit… SSDD
DNFTT!!!
…and… the good Dr. Maddow is gonna have her own show on MSNBC. In PRIME time. Go Rachel!
Oh, be still my beating heart….
Bush had more than one tax cut:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts
You must have forgotten the tax cut to fund the war effort! I’m surprised, it was rather unique.
in todays email:
TWO moons on 27th August
This Aug. 27th is what the Whole World has been
waiting for….
Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.
It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye.
This will culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes
within 34.65M miles off earth. Be sure to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am. It will look like the earth has 2 moons.
The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287.
Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY
will see it again.
Have heard of this happening once before but was disappointing —– of course the neo cons will have to pull their collective heads out of their asses that night — but the fresh air might do em some good …..
“It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye.”
Oh surely not.
I don’t see how that would be possible. Unless it’s some sort of optical illusion like the Moon looking bigger when it is nearer the horzion.
But thanks the heads up, I’ll be watching.
Have heard the one on Mars a few times. Like that old chain email:
Mars look as big as moon: FALSE
http://www.snopes.com/science/mars.asp
Ok KFG, whoa. I’m not attracted to women like that but even I can point out a sexy woman- and Maddow does not at all do it for me one iota.
So I have a legit question- I know we’re all attracted to different people for different reasons, but I would like to know why you find her so attractive?
And that leads me to another question- perhaps I’m stereotyping and I apologize…why do so many gay men find waif thin gay men so attractive too?
Question for any CPA Tax Advisors bloggers.
You may remember a few years ago Janus Funds was sued and lost a class action lawsuit. They were guilty of market timing.
Well now I get this check in the mail, along with an eight (8) page document cautioning me NOT TO CASH THE CHECK. The check consists of two components: advisory fee component of your distribution payment is intended to
compensate you for improper advisory fees paid by the Janus Funds and a losses component of your payment is intended to compensate you for
harm to the value of your Janus Fund(s) investment caused by market timing in
Janus Funds.
Both have different tax consequences. One reduces my basis (but I have multiple funds – and they don’t distinguish how much is for which). If basis is reduced to zero, I’m supposed to post the delta as a long term capital gain. The other component is treated a ordinary dividends, but I have to compute for which years (and again contribute a portion to each fund).
Plus, some of my funds are in tax qualified retirement plans (of which I have two: an old original IRA which was deductible and a Roth).
I also participate via my 401K at work to what used to be Janus Twenty fund. So that one has different tax problems.
Lastly, they tell me in certain circumstances – I should not have even been issued a check as an investor. Instead the check should have gone to my custodian for proper distribution.
I’m freaking lost. I wish they’d just sent the SOB’s to jail and saved me the headaches.
I guess that’s what happens when you try to get money for nothing. :D.
They shouldn’t even call it earning.
Political_mama
You know nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Go take financial planning 101.
Political_mama
Scratch that. Go take human relations 101.
Read the book, “I’m O.K., You’re O.K.” and discover the joy of parent, child, teacher, relationships.
Before you go askin’ a homosexual why he likes skinny guys.
Geez.
Oh god now I’ve got to read that. I’m sure it has something really anti-homosexual in there.
And PSST- i’m not the one sitting here wondering where my money is.
We used to have a saying in the Marine Corps regarding screwups. They are so bad, we wanted them on the Soviet side, but they wouldn’t take them.
Political_mama, we want you on the liberal side.
“As the population ages here, and skews the demographic, larger and larger portions of our doc’s practices are Medicare patients. It’s killing our pharmacies too.” ksfarmgal
It’s not killing anything, it’s fat city. Think of it; a population with guaranteed payments. A HUGE percentage of rural practice comes from Medicare payments. The reimbursment rates are just docs whining for more money. My mother alone supports three physicians.
Ah ok, I’m ok, you’re ok, an attempt to Bridge Freud’s theories with the practical application to therapy.
Problem is, although Freud was the father of Psychology- his theories have never been able to be truly applicable to real life.
A mix of theories, and I’d say Erickson was far more advanced.
Political_mama, we want you on the liberal side.
Amway, I’ve been saying the same thing for years.
:)
Sorry beber, the facts do not support your post.
Doctors are now limiting their medicare patients. They can refuse to take more patient load when their practise is “full”.
The most needed physician’s are primary care. Young people can see the income for that doctor group is falling behind the curve – worse than any. And the average doctors earnings are falling.
Do a web search man. Better, just look for “Doctor Shortages” and learn why. Rural areas in Kansas, like most of America – are in deep trouble.
Medicare pays doctors a “set amount” in simple terms. Doctors expenses are higher than that “set amount” in many, many cases. Recently, this hit the news when doctors stood up and told Congress NOT to further reduce medicare payments. Do a little homework on WHY.
Doctors have a right to set their rates. They have a right, just like the grocery store owner, the banker, the gas station owner, to ensure they charge a rate which contributes to their going concern. The government is trying to control that, but they are not doing seniors any favors.
Good doc’s are refusing to take on medicare patients. They demand more care, more time (they have nothing else to do), and have more problems. Yet the doctors get paid a “set amount” for each type of service.
Now, who would YOU take on as a customer? A patient with private healthcare, which pays you for what you bill, or medicare – which pays the very least.
If you are honest, you will see you need to do research and revise your thinking.
Because it is not “fat city” for doctors seeing medicare patients – and this problem is only going to get worse.
Google it.
Talk to the doctors. The paperwork required for medicare patients is time consuming and long. Justification is needed for providing aspirin.
As in any business – time is money. Have to have a staff and pay them to handle the paperwork. The more paperwork – the higher your bill. Plus , since Uncle Sam says what they will pay – in order to break even or make a profit, maybe they order additional tests, bloodwork, or pad the bill? It’s a terrible cycle our government has produced by trying to administer every aspect of medicine.
Doctors are under the gun for getting “freebees” from drug companies. Guess who ASKS for those handouts? Well doc’s are REFUSING them. Why take the heat from a public which thinks they are gaining something by taking drugs? “Sorry, I have no more free samples – guess you will have to get a script and pay the deductible.”
“I’m sure it has something really anti-homosexual in there.”
Political Mamma you continue to amaze me with your run-away posting, before looking at the facts.
Next time you want to insult a conservative for being a stereotyping wacko – take a good long look in the mirror.
You’ve looked up the book.
Now that you’ve put your foot in your mouth, before thinking or looking – are you WOMAN enough to admit you were wrong?
Why should I ever admit when I’m wrong when the rest of you refuse to??
By the way, on your payscale, doctors in 1929 (the beginning of data kept on physician salaries) was 3x’s higher than the general population.
Today it is 6x’s higher.
I’m surprised by FOX “news”.
They are running a film on McCain.
McCain belongs in a care home. He has to be DEEPLY screwed up.
“Why should I ever admit when I’m wrong when the rest of you refuse to??”
That’s perfectly understandable Momma. It fits the party to the T.
No personal responsibility. “everyone else is doing it, so that makes it O.K.”
Stay with the pack Momma. We don’t want you trying to lead or do what is right.
Stay liberal.
Yeah I’ve btdt, and yet, the lying liars will beat you to death with it.
“Today it is 6x’s higher.”
What does that mean? Is this something you are going to tell a doctor when trying to recruit them to serve in rural Kansas in a county with one stop light and nothing exciting to do, and a SMALL population of medicare patients, which doesn’t pay squat?
Means nothing. See how many doctors you grow with that.
And don’t give me that crapabout my party- when was the last time you heard a right winger say how awful their president is…and how absolutely devastating Mcsame will be?
KSGolfnut I don’t know why I’m wasting my time.
No one else pays attention to her. I’m a slow learner, but once I do – watch out!
I’m asking you why you think that their job is so much more worthy than the rest of the population they are treating? I have nothing but the utmost respect for doctors. And remember, I’m quoting salary- not how much they EARN, which is far more because they have to pay out money too.
Just don’t sit here and act as if they’re broke.
I don’t give a shit about a political party Political Mamma – I was asking about your integrity.
I admit it when I am wrong. Have many times.
Does that help? Probably not.
But my issue wasn’t with a party, the city, the weblog, other posters. I wasn’t calling others, or pointing at others.
My issue was with something you posted. Your own.
But that’s o.k., you responded as expected.
Have a great night posting!
Pretty touchy about the “gay” question, eh, AmWay??? ROFL!!
“Just don’t sit here and act as if they’re broke.”
“so much more worthy”
Never said that or in any way implied that.
Doctors are a commodity. They can demand a certain rate. Pay it, or you won’t get it.
The facts support it. Look it up. Rural America Doctors. Or look up declining primary care physicians. Look up foreign doctors growing in America.
Talk all the social standings and liberal thinking you want. When it comes to healthcare and gaining doctors in rural America – you will get exactly what you pay for. It’s not personal.
It’s what you would do if you had the job too.
No, somethings are more important than how much you can grab. I don’t expect you to understand that.
So sapping people dry all they can and treating those who can pay the most? Heck might as well move to Russia, that’s how they do it. The one who pays the most gets moved to the front of the line.
Nothing like auctioning off the doctor’s care.
Perhaps if we got back to doctors who really care- who do it for the real love of medicine instead of the love of money- we’d have fewer malpractice suits.
Doctors who get into medicine to make money are in the wrong business.
What was Christ paid for his healing endeavors?
Where are all the similarly motivated Christian medical providers?
A Dr. friend of mine in Iowa and I were talking about billing issues one day… One of my pet peeves is having surgery…. and then, I have to make an appt.($50) to go back to see him afterwards, and he takes out the stitches(Min. $50)…. plus they charge for the bandages, etc.
I asked him why he didnt just make it a package deal… Surgery, with post surgical care included….
His answer??? Simple… Insurance wouldnt let him do it that way!!
Amway,
Her arguments are ridiculous. The funniest of them all: Her husband is a state employee, but they don’t enroll in the health insurance because it would be too large of a payroll deduction. They can’t afford it. Nevermind that they smoke, have internet, cell phones, etc…
You haven’t paid very close attention testicle. We did sign up for health insurance. How do you think I’ve been affording my epidurals?
It wasn’t until I went back to work myself that we were able to afford it.
ok, not “funniest”
“saddest”
Your story changes daily
MAX said >>> “Spending in America drives job growth. Investment in America drives Employer growth.”
IF they take it from YOU, and give it to somebody else, they will spend it… Then that spending will drive job growth, and be an investment in America, and drive employer growth…. just coming from a different follower of the pied piper… ROFL!!! Also just what you already said!!
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MAX — All the “receiver” need do is buy normal every day staples…. You know, food, utilities, gasoline, prescriptions, just the general every day kind of stuff… THAT is the best investment Americans can make!!
Hey, just ask Bush…. Thats what he told everybody to do after 9/11!!! He said THAT is how we let the world know we arent defeated…. And here you are — arguing against it…. ROFL!!!
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MAX = delusional — paranoid — arm flailing — always good scroll over…. Nite Max!!
Well FOX “news”?
If that was supposed to get me to vote for John McCain?
You whiffed.
McCain belongs in a care home with competent medical and mental experts to attend to him.
Good night; good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Uh Goofnut- I talked about this ages ago. Its not my fault you were having family issues and weren’t here.
Uh Goofnut- I talked about this ages ago. Its not my fault you were having family issues and weren’t here.
Wrong again, Pee.
*naturally*
“Problem is, although Freud was the father of Psychology- his theories have never been able to be truly applicable to real life.
“A mix of theories, and I’d say Erickson was far more advanced.”
Sorry P_mom, Freud is absolutely not the father of psychology. Many disagree about who that would be – common contenders are Wilhelm Wundt and William James.
Freud is the father of psychoanalysis. A failed method on many levels.
P_mom time to retake your general psych class and to pay attention this time.
I enjoy reading Erik Erickson, but he was not a psychologist nor a psychoanalyst. He was a client of Anna Freud, with whom Sigmund would take showers.
S. Freud was pretty much a fraud, however, his ability to observe and describe human behavior was impressive on many levels. His description of defense mechanisms were spot on. His underlying theory explaning these were pretty much crazy and/or magical thinking.
I have ambivalence about our friend Freud, as it would seem obvious.
Steven, doesnt Adler fit in there somewhere?? Not to mention Carl Jung??? Just asking….
“Transactional analysis is a social psychology developed by Eric Berne, MD.”
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Transactional+Analysis%22
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Erikson’s Eight Stages of Human Development >>>
http://www.businessballs.com/erik_erikson_psychosocial_theory.htm
This blog seems to be a microcosm of this country to day. The extremists on the left AND the right refuse to open their eyes and really look at what is is going on. They are so entrenched in their mantras of no body is right but my side they either don’t care or don’t realize they are causing a division in this country the likes of which haven’t been seen since Viet Nam.Unless we as a nation wake up and start seeing that both sides have valid points and ideas and figure out a way to implement them(yes there may have to be some pride swallowing) as one policy this country is going no where but down hill
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