Registered?
Commenting on WE Blog now requires you to be a Kansas.com member. Use the links above to register, if you haven't already, or to log in.Contact us
Follow us
Daily Archives
-
Recent Comments
- Phantom on Health care reform would save state money
- writerdog on Minority status in Senate; majority approval at home
- Monkeyhawk on Open thread 11/22
- CapnAmerica on ACORN stole election?
- DavidB on Health care reform would save state money
- writerdog on Minority status in Senate; majority approval at home
- CapnAmerica on Health care reform would save state money
- DavidB on Open thread 11/22
- writerdog on Health care reform would save state money
- CapnAmerica on Open thread 11/22
164 Comments
Yup, more scientific evidence supporting the fact of evolution.
Recent changes in hearing-related genes may have influenced language development
Imagine, for a moment, that you are smaller than a speck of dust and in the mood for some teeny-tiny sightseeing. It’s a perfect opportunity to take a scenic trip to the inner ear.
First, stroll up the ear canal. This is a fantasy, so no waxy buildup blocks the way. At the end of the fleshy tunnel, squeeze around the huge, circular membrane better known as the eardrum. Gingerly sidestep the precariously balanced, oddly shaped middle ear bones and proceed into the inner ear. Up ahead, rising like skyscrapers from a flat landscape, looms a cluster of stereocilia. These slender, interconnected projections sit atop the basic sensory elements of hearing — the inner ear hair cells. Bundles of gently waving stereocilia serve as receptacles for sound waves delivered from hair cells, transforming those waves into electrical signals that travel to the brain to be interpreted.
If you can ‘ear more it’ll be at:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/35249/title/Evolutions_Ear
What a morning! This evening is the official Full Moon.
The NBC baseball tournament ended last night, won by the Santa Barbara Foresters with NO losses during the tournament. The tournament included the great “round the clock” weekend last weekend.
And very early this morning, one of Coast to Coast’s great scientists, George Nourey, revealed the main street media might not be telling the whole story on the existence of Big Foot or is it Big Feet for plural? Come on Wichita EAGLE, give us the truth on any Big Foot sightings here in southern Kansas. What about out along the Ninnescah River or Chikaskia River valleys southwest of Wichita or even the Medicine River down in Barber County? Have these areas ever been fully explored?
But Maggot, how come we can’t pick up high frequency like bats?
Or detect sounds underwater like whales and dolphins?
If evolution occurred, it appears that the best attributes of all species should have transferred over to other species via adaptation.
How come I can’t see infrared like wolves?
I will be meeting Batman at a local cafe this morning to discuss his perch overlooking downtown Wichita this evening as the full moon rises over the horizon at 8:18 PM.
Batman’s goal, of course, is to spot meetings of the Wichita chapter of the Earl Browder memorial cell on the upper floor of one of downtown Wichita’s virtually vacant office buildings. Clues will be raucous laughter and expensive cigar smoke wafting out over the city.
There will also be lots of loud bragadacious talk about putting one over on the taxpayers by building an enormously expensive, 1/2 billion dollar unwanted, unneeded downtown albatross arena WITHOUT PARKING. This in a location designed to eliminate use of the historic Union railroad station for … a railroad station.
Who was Earl Browder, you ask?
Earl Browder was born in West Wichita not far from Friends University and raised in turn of the century Wichita where he reportedly met a young lady and played baseball at old Island Park stadium in the Arkansas River. But what drew young Earl Browder to a life of Communism, no one seems to know. In any case, he was eventually nominated for President of the U.S. twice under the banner of the American Communist party in 1936 and 1940, the only Wichitan to do this. Of course, Earl Browder was soundly beaten both times by my favorite president, Franklin D. Roosevelt.
So if you are out walking this evening in the downtown Wichita area, perhaps in the shadow of the skeleton of the downtown arena, watch for signs of wafting cigar smoke and loud obnoxious laughter … you might have inadvertently located the meeting of the Earl Browder memorial cell.
If possible, get some names.
Are big feet rats or pukes?
Good JWink! Standing ovation and yelling, “More, more…!”
Just because this is an open thread –
NPR did a story about Barack Obama and John Sidney McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) and their Top 10 favorite songs.
The only artist they had in common was Frank Sinatra.
Was there ever anyone like Sinatra?
The first pop super-star.
The guy who crossed over from a songster to a pretty good actor.
Connected to the Mafia and the Kennedy Administration and Ronald Reagan and absolutely the best pop singer ever.
It occurred to me a long time ago that it’s absolutely impossible to sing along with Frank Sinatra on the radio. His phrasing and emphasis of lyrics are always a half-a-beat ahead or behind you, he gets the words and conveys them in ways that sell the song and it’s impossible to replicate.
McCain’s favorite Sinatra song was “I’ve Got You Under My Skin;” Obama’s Sinatra selection was “You’d Be So Easy to Love.” Both are Cole Porter songs, whatever that might mean.
Ol’ Blue Eyes. The definition of ’smooth.’
My personal fave: Mack the Knife duet with Jimmy Buffett.
#
beber
Posted August 16, 2008 at 7:27 am | Permalink
Are big feet rats or pukes?
Oh, that’s too easy! They’re “pukes” of course. They need a bath, they smell bad, they’re not part of civilized society, and they need a haircut. You need look no further than one particular blogger on these boards to see the resemblance (chortles).
Or maybe they’re “rats”.
As in endangered species.
—Barack Obama was seated next to a little girl on an airplane He
turned to her and said, ‘Let’s talk. I’ve heard that flights go
quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.’
The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and
said to the Obama, ‘What would you like to talk about?’
‘Oh, I don’t know,’ said the Obama. ‘How about What Changes I Should
Make To America ?’ and he smiles.
‘OK, ‘ she said. ‘That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask
you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same
stuff – grass – .. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow
turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass.
Why do you suppose that is?’
Obama, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, think s
about it and says, ‘Hmmm, I have no idea.’
To which the little girl replies, ‘Do you really feel qualified to
change America when you don’t know shit?
And now, a word about our WEBLOG provider:
“Thursday, August 14, 2008 04:35:35 PM
McClatchy Co., the second-largest U.S. newspaper publisher, is freezing pay across the company for a year starting Sept. 1 in the latest effort to hold down costs.
The company informed its employees about the pay freeze Thursday.
McClatchy has some 13,000 full-time equivalent employees at 30 daily papers such as The Sacramento Bee and The Miami Herald, as well as about 50 non-dailies.
In June, McClatchy announced it was trimming its work force by about 10 percent, affecting 1,400 full-time jobs and saving $70 million a year.
Last month, the company reported a 44 percent drop in second-quarter earnings to $19.7 million, as revenue fell 16 percent to $489.7 million.”
On the positive side:
“We were pleased to see strength in our online business in the second quarter, reflected in both audience growth and advertising sales. Through the second quarter, unique visitors to our websites were up 24.7% following 41.4% growth in the first quarter. Online advertising revenues grew a strong 12.5% in the second quarter of 2008. Excluding employment advertising, which is the category most tied to print up-sell advertising and which has declined nationally both in print and online, our online advertising grew 58.5% in the second quarter of this year. We were pleased to note that nearly 50% of our online advertising came from ads placed only online; they were not tied to a print up-sell.
“Despite the strong growth in our online business, the advertising environment continues to be weak and we expect revenues to continue to be down.”
I think the editors should thank all the liberal, conservative, libertarian, right wingnuts, socialists, bleeding heart liberals, sheep, and radicals of all sorts for our continued support of Company.
A BIG HAND to those who are unemployed and post all day long to keep the hits up (you know who you are – and we see your posts).
Recognition should also be made for those workers who also contribute to the blog hits while on the payroll of their employers. Thank-you disloyal workers.
The strategy of using flaming thread leads which capture the attention of your local Wichita liberal bloggers has been very effective, despite not being particularly newsworthy.
Welcome to the tabloids.
A biker is riding by the zoo when he sees a
little girl leaning into the lion’s cage.
Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of
her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents. The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage, and hits the lion square on the
nose with a powerful punch. Whimpering from the pain, the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.
A NYT reporter has seen the whole scene
and, addressing the biker, says, ‘Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I’ve ever seen a man do in my whole life.’
‘Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.’
Well, I’ll make sure this won’t go unnoticed. I’m a journalist from the New York Times, you know, and tomorrow’s paper will have this on the first page. What motorcycle do you ride and what political affiliation do you have?’
‘A Harley Davidson and I am a Republican.’
The journalist leaves.
The following morning the biker buys the New York Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads on the first page:
REPUBLICAN BIKER GANG MEMBER ASSAULTS
AFRICAN IMMIGRANT, STEALS HIS LUNCH.
BlogMonitor = BM = How appropriate!! LOL
President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500 USA
We respectfully ask our government to help stop the tens of thousands of preventable deaths that occur every day from hunger and poverty-related diseases.
Specifically, we ask our country to honor the agreement it made and signed at the 2002 Monterrey Conference and again at the 2002 Johannesburg Summit to make concrete efforts towards giving 0.7% of our national income in aid to poor countries.
The United Nations estimates that when all 22 countries that signed the agreement meet the 0.7% goal, the resulting $195 billion each year will be enough to effectively end hunger and extreme poverty in the world.
We commend the countries that have already reached the 0.7% goal: Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden.
We also commend the countries that have set up a schedule to meet the 0.7% goal and encourage them in their efforts to reach it as soon as possible: Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and the United Kingdom.
We respectfully ask the six remaining countries to honor their agreement and set up a schedule to reach the 0.7% goal: Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the United States.
Thank you.
2006 International Aid Donated COUNTRY Aid as % of income How close to the
0.7% goal
Norway — 0.95 — Already reached goal
Sweden — 0.93 — Already reached goal
Luxembourg–0.90 — Already reached goal
Denmark — 0.81 — Already reached goal
Netherlands-0.81 — Already reached goal
Ireland — 0.54 — Scheduled for 2012
Austria — 0.49 — Scheduled for 2015
Belgium — 0.43 — Scheduled for 2010
Spain — 0.41 — Scheduled for 2012
Finland — 0.40 — Scheduled for 2010
France — 0.39 — Scheduled for 2012
Germany — 0.37 — Scheduled for 2014
Switzerland-0.37 — No schedule yet
Un. Kingdom-0.36 — Scheduled for 2013
Australia –0.30 — No schedule yet
Canada — 0.28 — No schedule yet
New Zealand-0.27 — No schedule yet
Italy — 0.19 — Scheduled for 2015
Portugal – 0.19 — Scheduled for 2015
Japan — 0.17 — No schedule yet
Greece — 0.16 — Scheduled for 2015
USA — 0.16 — No schedule yet
— Source: OECD
The United Nations estimates that when all 22 countries that signed the agreement meet the 0.7% goal, the resulting $195 billion each year will be enough to effectively end hunger and extreme poverty in the world.
While the above is a laudable goal, the monies should NOT go through the UN. The UN is exactly like much of the “third world:” a kleptocracy. It apparantly exists to skim much of the “assistance” provided through it’s bureaucracy for that very bureaucracy. It’s peacekeepers are laughable at keeping the peace, but seem to rape at will.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/27/charity.aidworkers/index.html
It’s proof enough or the truth of H.L.Menkins’s words:”"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it.”
Or in the UN’s case, perhaps more accurately, to steal from it.
That’s al well and good… except for the article only says the UN had an opinion… NOT that the funds would go through the UN!!
The above letter is simply an encouragement for the USA to honor the agreements made at Monterey and Johannesburg…
Chass while you are looking at these numbers you might want to look at the real dollars that were sent directly to those in need by the US. This was done with food drops, the aid of rebuilding after disasters by our military or private US citizens, clothing drops, etc…
As usual your source doesn’t come close to the real story.
A Texas school district will let teachers bring guns to class this fall, the district’s superintendent said on Friday, in what experts said appeared to be a first in the United States.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1538661720080815
Only in Texas…
There will be rivers of blood in the hallways.
Let the screams of anguish begin.
Chass a little common sense would tell you that the UN wouldn’t know how much the US gives unless it went through the UN.
Results from tests on genetic material from alleged remains of one of the mythical half-ape and half-human creatures, made public at a news conference on Friday held after the claimed discovery swept the Internet, failed to prove its existence.
One of the two samples of DNA said to prove the existence of the Bigfoot came from a human and the other was 96 percent from an opossum, according to Curt Nelson, a scientist at the University of Minnesota who performed the DNA analysis.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKN1544880720080815?rpc=401&
I guess instead of calling bigfoot “skunk ape”, we should call him “possum ape”.
They didn’t say where they found the so-called man-ape. They didn’t want to reveal personal information about Regular’s mother.
(snickers)
Ummm OKOB…. WE signed the agreements…. Other amounts we send are budgeted/allocated for foreign aid… This .7% is asked of ALL the countries on the above list… It is .7% of national income….
The “Creature” was allegedly discovered in the northern Georgia woods, in the vicinity of Atlanta…. Many are calling it yet another hoax… (Whether it is Regular’s mother or not —- snickers)
Chas
Posted August 16, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
Ummm OKOB…. WE signed the agreements…. Other amounts we send are budgeted/allocated for foreign aid… This .7% is asked of ALL the countries on the above list… It is .7% of national income….
———————
Chass look at the history of UN payments. Find the reason for yourself why we do not funnel our money through there. Then look at every disaster on the globe and see the amount of money the US sends. We are always first both with money and personell.
I could tell you but then I would have to call you some idiotic name and Lindainks say bloggers shouldn’t do that. It will be a good history project for you.
ksgrm / okobserver — I’ve never said a word about what posters should or shouldn’t do. I wouldn’t attempt to tell anyone how to behave. I did say calling names is childish. You are welcome to any other opinion. My opinion is as good and as useless as yours.
Lindainks I was merely agreeing with what you said earlier. Chas does irritate me when he asks question he could easily answer himself thus my reply to him.
Sorry if it offended your sensibilities.
Granny — Where in the above posted Letter to President Bush is any remark made that would indicate any payment to the UN???
These two treaties are aabove and beyond amounts we already budget…. AND, wonder of wonders, it is LESS than ONE PERCENT not of our budget… but of our National Income….
Thank you for reading…. instead of using Right Wing “talking points” — all of which I have heard ad nauseum from Hannity, and Rush, and others….
BTW Linda I revealed myself under my new name. It wasn’t exposed by you or other bloggers so OKob will do nicely. Thanks
Granny — Where in the above posted Letter to President Bush is any remark made that would indicate any payment to the UN???
“28/01/04 – Major aid donors still have a long way to go if they are to reach the levels of aid pledged at the UN Financing for Development Conference in Monterrey, Mexico, even though they have increased outlays in the last few years, according to the latest edition of the OECD’s annual Development Co-operation Report.”
http://www.oecd.org/document/19/0,3343,en_2649_201185_25612371_1_1_1_1,00.html
Chass just for your information and the opportunity to educate yourself. Look at the history of the UN in the summer of 1988. Palestine wanted to be admitted as a ’state’ and the US opposed that. At the time the US said they would suspend payments if this happened. Just a thumbnail view. Maybe you can dwelve into it a little deeper and understand why we don’t make payments to the UN.
Thanks Hud I always get in trouble for abusing Chass when I point out his obtuseness.
That’s nice HUD… but your quote isnt IN the above letter I posted…. instead you come up with a quotation from 2004!! The two treaties were signed in 2002… by 22 nations, including the US….
Thanks much!!
Granny.. You are now talking about something more than TWENTY years back!! Can you stay on point, for a change??
Chas for Pete’s sake. Read.
My quote was a report on the 2002 agreement.
HOW could we suspend payments to a Treaty that was not yet in existence in 1988??? Hmmmm???
I want to go on record as disagreeing that the recent BigFoot discovery is “Regular’s” mother.
I doubt “Regular” had a mother.
I suspect he was hatched from an egg.
(Albeit, there’s a possibility “Regular’s” mother laid that egg. She probably laid everything else.)
ORIGINS and HISTORY of the OECD
http://www.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_36734052_36734103_1_1_1_1_1,00.html
“Get US out of the UN” >>>>
This is a very old, worn out rant/mantra, of the John Birch Society…. I have seen those stupid billboards all across the country ever since I was a kid….
However, that old rant/mantra, might go a long ways toward explaining much of the CON blog themes posted here…. :roll:
Financing for Development in International Economic Law: The Monterrey Consensus and its Implementation
Surya Subedi
University of Leeds
July 2, 2008
Society of International Economic Law (SIEL) Inaugural Conference 2008
Abstract:
Financing for development had been high on the UN agenda in the 1950s and 1960s. It acquired a new currency in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist events of 9/11. This is because those who saw a clear linkage between poverty and terrorism wished to wage a war on poverty as part of the war on terrorism. The process of addressing global poverty went a step further when the first UN conference on financing for development was held in Monterrey, Mexico in 2002. It was designed to adopt a new global approach to financing development in the 21st century. However, apart from repeating the empty rhetoric and including all sorts of lofty ideals, this document contains no concrete plan of action to achieve the development goals of the international community. Many richer countries failed even to guarantee that they will meet the target of 0.7 per cent of gross national product (GNP) as official development assistance (ODA) to developing countries and 0.15 to 0.20 per cent of GNP of developed countries to least developed countries, let alone increase this target. In spite of the commitments made for increasing the level of international development assistance in various international instruments, the provision of aid by rich nations has slipped in the recent past. Therefore, the time has perhaps come to concretize the soft commitments made by richer countries to this effect into hard commitments through a global treaty on financing development so that one of the economic and social objectives outlined in the Charter of the UN could be materialized.
———————–
Chass this is the minutes of the 2002 meeting. As you can see there were no firm committments made. That was one of the weak point of the meeting which cosst $470,000 – 25% of which was paid by the US.
This is just a new thread on the old corruption which has been the UN for too many years. You need to research to know why the US feels no need to pay the UN what the UN thinks we owe.
Sorry Chass not the minutes but a synopsis of the fraility of the agreement. My mistake.
Yep — What you post is from a UN meeting…. Now, please note that the OECD, is NOT the UN…. And the Monterey and Johannesburg treaties that WE SIGNED with 21 other nations, is SEPARATE from the action of the UN…. That is quite obvious at website http://www.oecd.org
Look at the history of the UN in the summer of 1988. Palestine wanted to be admitted as a ’state’ and the US opposed that. At the time the US said they would suspend payments if this happened.
One more example of Israel’s power over the U.S.
XXX, you’re in fine form today. :)
Specifically, we ask our country to honor the agreement it made and signed at the 2002 Monterrey Conference and again at the 2002 Johannesburg Summit to make concrete efforts towards giving 0.7% of our national income in aid to poor countries.
The United Nations estimates that when all 22 countries that signed the agreement meet the 0.7% goal, the resulting $195 billion each year will be enough to effectively end hunger and extreme poverty in the world.
———————-
Chass do you see ‘meet the goal’ statement. No dollar amount was agreed on. And if not connected to the UN then why is the UN involved. The OECD describes itself as an overseer of world development. It listed it’s last years budget as 349 million euros. Where then would the $195 billion number come in if not managed by the UN?
I have wasted enough time on this non topic. The olympic diving is much more interesting.
The US gives and gives and gives but we always have the ‘blame America crowd’ out there wanting us to do more and in the process shrink the deficit.
Grm you aren’t exactly being totally honest. Someone certainly DID out you and in your favor you fessed to it very quickly. You either have a problem with memory- or you try very hard to get others to forget.
I know calling names is childish linda, but I just can’t help it when it comes to testicle.
JWink, I didn’t see batman, but I did see spiderman today. And Elvis too.
It IS good to have ol’ X back posting again aint it?
Hmmm I didn’t know about this.
Rick Warren, the mega church guy?
He’s got Senator Obama from 7 to 8 and McCain from 8 to 9 on MSNBC tonight. Could be interesting.
Oh UH huh. I’ve just heard that the audience will be made up of evangelicals who paid big bucks to be there.
This could REALLY be interesting. That crowd doesn’t like McCain much more than they do Obama.
Regular asks:
“If evolution occurred, it appears that the best attributes of all species should have transferred over to other species via adaptation.”
Really, why should that be? The theory of natural selection doesn’t support your hypothesis but I’d love to see what scientific studies you have that support your notion. The theory of natural selection, which is pretty much the sole theory in evolution these days, presents evidence that populations adapt to their environment. There would be no reason for a human to adapt to an underwater environment since it isn’t our environment, hence the reason we no longer have any reproductive benefit to maintaining gill slits beyond the embryonic stage. It’s why those people with sickle cell anemia, a benefit in areas with malaria, don’t benefit is areas without malaria. According to your position a person would both have sickle cell anemia and wouldn’t have it.
But I’d really like to see what evidence propelled you to generate such a conclusion.
“Where then would the $195 billion number come in if not managed by the UN?”
The OECD budget is listed in Euros…. Please note that its headquarters is not the same as the UN…. Please note that the rest of the world doesnt use Euros…. YET….
Fairly simple as to why the $195 billion number is used…. I guess you arent seeing that a treaty agreement involving the USA along with 21 other nations, is NOT the UN…. Reading on the OECD web site, it seems fairly clear that the .7% of national income figure would be sent through the OECD…. Looks to me as if the UN is just making a comment on that endeavor…. There are MANY groups of nations dealing with world poverty and hunger…. not just US and the UN….
Please also note, that it isnt just the US that hasnt honored their committment… Thus, I dont see where you are getting your “blame America” mantra…. However, that is the same mantra that Hannity uses every time he comments about the UN… as does Michael Savage, and a number of other Talk Show people….
“we ask our country to honor the agreement it made and signed at the 2002 Monterrey Conference and again at the 2002 Johannesburg Summit”
Was this a constitutional thing? Who is authorized for our country to enter agreements to STEAL MY MONEY and give it to someone else.
PS: Just count Iraq: We have exceeded the worlds total commitment.
Dinner time —- back later — maybe….
Duhhh….. of course the US has a constitutional right to enter into international treaties, without the vote of the people… that’s why we elect Representatives and Senators…. Duhhhhh….
Please note who would have been in control of Congress when those treaties/agreements were put in effect…. It wasnt the Dems…. :roll:
4:30 is dinner time?
Anyway, did congress; house and senate pass bills and a president sign legislation mandating STEALING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY AND SENDING IT OVERSEAS?
NOTE: I think it might be a good idea for people on all sides of the political spectrum to watch the segments on MSNBC tonite… even if the Olympics and Football ARE on at the same time :-D
Is it healthy to eat dinner at 4:30?
Do you snack at 9PM?
AmWay — Why dont you just pick up the phone, and call GW and ask him??? Geez….
OR, you might check the Congressional Record for 2002….
Either way would work out a lot better than trying to be a flaming troll, just to disrupt things on the Blog…
Seriously Chas, is it healthy to eat so early?
When did Congress and the POTUS sign legislation to provide a percentage to the UN?
I am not flaming, nor am I a troll. You know that.
Predestined
Posted August 16, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink
XXX, you’re in fine form today.
______________________________________________
Thanks, Rox. I had my Wheaties.
It’s a great day….hope you and yours enjoy.
I can’t miss tonight’s Olympics! Or at least I choose not to. I did check and found that CNN will broadcast the Rick Warren interview a couple times later.
BlueJay, I think it is on at 7 our time (8 eastern). Then again at midnight and then at 3 a.m. Like I can stay awake that long…
Here’s the CNN schedule. Note the times are listed in both eastern and pacific.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/
The funds go to the OECD…. trolls!!
“The funds go to the OECD…. trolls!!”
Chas – all I asked you to do was produce a reference to the US Congress ratifying and the POTUS signing legislation giving the UN .7 of GNP.
It is really pretty simple. The constitution is the document which prescribes how the government STEALS our money. Without following it, I’m wondering why you would bother writing President Bush?
Why are you not writing your democrats in Congress?
This agreement dates back to the 1970’s. It has not been put in a budget by congress, as far as I can tell.
I do know that Obama sponsored Global Poverty Act of 2007, (S.2433).
But I have not seen where it has passed both houses of Congress nor signed by the president.
Asking for the facts – does not make me a troll.
:-)
Unless you are asking President Bush to throw out the constitution in this regards.
If you cant READ what I posted above, long time ago, then I am not going to discuss it with you…. but it only goes back to 2002!!!
And the Constitution certainly gives Congress the right to enter into international treaties… which was done in 2002 with 21 other nations…. You want to find it, go look it up in the Congressional Record…. I already linked to the OECD web site….
That is ALL I am saying about it…. Go TROLL somebody else….
Sorry Chas, didn’t mean to be trolling you by asking why you are writing Bush – when Congress has yet to act, as far as I can tell:
S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007
A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
Sponsor: Sen. Barack Obama [D-IL]show cosponsors (23)
Cosponsors [as of 2008-07-06]
Sen. Joseph Biden [D-DE]
Sen. Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D-CA]
Sen. Sherrod Brown [D-OH]
Sen. Maria Cantwell [D-WA]
Sen. Robert Casey [D-PA]
Sen. Susan Collins [R-ME]
Sen. Christopher Dodd [D-CT]
Sen. Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Sen. Russell Feingold [D-WI]
Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE]
Sen. Thomas Harkin [D-IA]
Sen. Tim Johnson [D-SD]
Sen. John Kerry [D-MA]
Sen. Richard Lugar [R-IN]
Sen. Robert Menéndez [D-NJ]
Sen. Barbara Mikulski [D-MD]
Sen. Patty Murray [D-WA]
Sen. Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Sen. Gordon Smith [R-OR]
Sen. Olympia Snowe [R-ME]
Sen. Ron Wyden [D-OR]
Cosponsorship information sometimes is out of date. Why?
Bill Text: Summaries (CRS)
Full Text
Status: Introduced Dec 7, 2007
Scheduled for Debate Apr 24, 2008
This bill is in the first stage of the legislative process where the bill is considered in committee and may undergo significant changes in markup sessions. The bill has been referred to the following committees:
As far as I can tell, this bill is holed up in the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, along with the H.R. 1302: Global Poverty Act of 2007 which passed the house.
“Specifically, we ask our country to honor the agreement it made and signed at the 2002 Monterrey Conference and again at the 2002 Johannesburg Summit to make concrete efforts towards giving 0.7% of our national income in aid to poor countries.”
Does that LOOK LIKE 2007 to you imbecile???
I KNOW what I am talking about!!! THAT is why I am calling you the TROLL that you are!!!
Chas, everyone here respects you and know you know what you are talking about. That wasn’t the issue.
The US Congress has not passed legislation which would ALLOW the president to SIGN into a law approval to fund the UN program.
“Honor the agreement” cannot take place based upon a handshake or speech by a president. The constitution REQUIRES congress to budget the money and the president to sign it into law.
You should be writing Congress – not the lameduck.
International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly
resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
Article 11 General comment on its implementation
1. The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including adequate food, clothing and housing, and to the continuous improvement of living conditions. The States Parties will take appropriate steps to ensure the realization of this right, recognizing to this effect the essential importance of international co-operation based on free consent. General comment on its implementation
2. The States Parties to the present Covenant, recognizing the fundamental right of everyone to be free from hunger, shall take, individually and through international co-operation, the measures, including specific programmes, which are needed:
(a) To improve methods of production, conservation and distribution of food by making full use of technical and scientific knowledge, by disseminating knowledge of the principles of nutrition and by developing or reforming agrarian systems in such a way as to achieve the most efficient development and utilization of natural resources;
(b) Taking into account the problems of both food-importing and food-exporting countries, to ensure an equitable distribution of world food supplies in relation to need.
The UN has been trying to get to get funding to attack hunger for over thirty years.
“Spanning just over 260 pages of academic and historical reflection, “ Ten days in Johannesburg – A negotiation of hope” is a masterpiece of written and photographic publishing crafted and assembled by group of academics and specialists in multilateral negotiations on environment and developmental issues. The book is a summary of many summaries ranging from the first global conference of environment that took place in 1972 in Stockholm, followed by the historic Rio Earth Summit in 1992, 20 years later. “
Ok JERK…. PROVE ME TO BE WRONG…. AND, BTW, THAT IS NOT MY LETTER…. JUST PASSING IT ALONG….
“international treaties… which was done in 2002 with 21 other nations…. ”
Chas: Not only is there no record of the congress/president passing a budget to support the .7%, I can find no record of an international treaty which the US signed in reference to the same subject:
List of Internation Treaties UN:
http://untreaty.un.org/English/TreatyEvent2008/Treaties/list_english.pdf
And of course we know that is not your letter. Links to it are all over the web.
Go eat your early dinner, your blood sugar is getting low. Name calling – just because someone has asked for documentation/references to support your own post.
That’s different.
The faith forum thing with Obama and McCain is on BOTH CNN and MSNBC.
Sheesh.
See Barack pander to the fundies.
Pander Barack pander.
“See Barack pander to the fundies.”
Barack is reaching out. He is demonstrating a change of beliefs, heart, or willingness to see other sides to the issues. He is showing that he is willing to compromise, and yes, in some cases – he has changed his views to better reflect the masses.
He isn’t pandering. There is a difference. If he was truly pandering, then he is expressing support for views that are not the candidate’s true beliefs. This would be like telling a lie.
“He is demonstrating a change of beliefs, heart, or willingness to see other sides to the issues. He is showing that he is willing to compromise, and yes, in some cases – he has changed his views to better reflect the masses.”
Like I said, pandering.
See also flip flopping.
The Leader of the Free world?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3791868
How many days left before this national embarassment ends
So Obama is telling lies to Americans to get votes?
How do you know he hasn’t been telling lies to liberals too?
Well so far…
At the break…
Welfare reform was GOOD?
Marriage should only be between a man and a woman?
Faith based initiatives are good.
And to top it off?
$150,000 a year is middle class?
The guy is in the wrong party.
I am VERY concerned that we even HAD this forum. THE CONSTITUTION says there shall be no religious test…and yet, that is exactly waht this is.
DOn’t try to spin the words of the constitution into something else, this is exactly what they were referring to. And I’m downright irritated that we had it. It should have been stopped.
Obama COULD NOT refuse to attend, the RR has already tried like hell to paint him as a muslim.
He HAD to defend his religion, and that is WRONG.
I will have to catch the McCain part later. I missed it.
Well political mama? Obama MAY have won over a few on the religious right.
But he continues to damage his standing with the progressive base.
Give me a break – every politician has to defend his faith in every national election. I’m reasonably sure of it since the event of the religious right, but I wouldn’t be surprised if religious issues have confronted presidents throughout our history.
Don’t feel Obama was a “victim” here. He is playing the game, and can participate or not – it’s his decision.
If an honest man ever stood up before the American electorate, he’d be stoned to death. We deserve we get because of what we’ve become.
Amway, so you don’t care to ignore THIS part of the constitution- how about we do the same with the second amendment?
Where does it say in the Constitution that religious groups, faiths, or beliefs cannot ask questions, quiz, or cannot endorse a candidate for US President?
Article Six is ENSURE NO LAWS ARE ENACTED WHICH DICTATE A NATIONAL RELIGION FOR OFFICE – has nothing to do with the people questioning the religious beliefs of any candidate!
Article. VI.
but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A RELIGIOUS TEST and you cannot argue otherwise.
BTW, Pmom, I have no problem with gun registration, trigger locks, control at gun shows, and technology to link and register the ballistics of all guns, and making that database available to law enforcement.
Don’t box me in.
I watched the whole two hours and heard every word each man said. Because I agree with Obama more than McCain I should start by saying I have a prejudice. Warren isn’t a moderator and his constant noise during the answers bothered me. Now, my first impressions.
McCain didn’t answer many of the questions. He lectured and I am so tired of being lectured. Obama answered each question although with too many words often. The styles were very different — Obama was conversational.
I can tell you that McCain knows NOTHING about stem cell research! What a doofus non-answer he gave to that question! Of course, few will know any difference as it isn’t a subject many do know much about.
I got soooo tired of hearing McCain lecture about war and continue the politics of fear, tired of his silly stories we’ve heard a hundred times.
I didn’t see either man really mess up.
“THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A RELIGIOUS TEST and you cannot argue otherwise.”
I just did.
But if you feel so strongly about it PMomma, why not approach the ACLU and ask them to sue somebody.
I’d have to ask you who to sue.
PMom, I don’t disagree about the religious test. Very sadly to me, there are people in large numbers who make religion the only issue of importance. It’s all about getting elected at this point. You can’t govern unless you are elected. There were definitely questions that fell far outside the area of religion. McCain made about 80% of his answers have to do with war and be afraid, be very afraid.
“THE CONSTITUTION says there shall be no religious test”
The Constitution limits what the Government can do not what citizens do. The Government did not hold this meeting.
Seemed to me if McCain is elected we will be several steps closer to being a theocracy. And, that is what the people who make religion the only issue want although they aren’t informed enough to even realize that fact.
Hud – STOP THAT!
Don’t try talking common sense to Pmomma. I tried
that approach already.
PMom knows the government didn’t hold this meeting! She is a very intelligent woman. She is able to recognize there was NO CHOICE but to attend and pander to the religious. That is a religious test.
It might have been a “religious test” but the Government did not require the testing; therefore, not illegal.
“That is a religious test.”
Oh, I will not deny that. Where I disagree is her interpretation of the Constitution. This is not a religious test mandated by law anywhere in these United States.
Damn Hud, that’s uncanny.
I did see a few minutes of McCain.
The questions, though asked of both men, seemed to favor McCain. At least for the audience of evangelical Christians.
“What is a position you held 10 years ago that you would change now?”
Tough one for Obama. SO he said he thought welfare “reform”, in retrospect, was a good idea.
Asked the same question, it was easier for McCain.
“Gotta drill NOW!”
Then there was “What is your greatest moral regret?”
I don’t remember how Obama answered. But this was a set up for McCain to apologize for his treatment of his first wife. Thus allowing him to bury a story never told.
TOTAL set up. And Obama fell for it hook, line and sinker.
I don’t think there was anything illegal, Hud.
BTW, I’m not defending the religious right – I gave up my Repubican banner in part because the Party has let themselves become overwhelmed by them.
I don’t think PeeMom understands the definition of “religious test.”
All charges have been dropped against the 18 pro-lifers who were unjustly arrested on August 1, 2008, during the Maryland Face the Truth Tour.
Harford County’s State Attorney Joe Cassilly dismissed the charges earlier this week against eight adults and ten teenagers, who had been arrested without warning and without telling them the charges or reading them their rights, during a peaceful public pro-life testimony in Bel Air, MD.
There were no traffic jams. There were no people running in and out of traffic. There was no refusal to disperse. There was no marching into the street as one news organization erroneously reported. There was only a clearly biased violation of the First Amendment rights of pro-lifers, according to Defend Life Director Jack Ames, who was among those arrested.
This incident was not the rule of law, this was tyranny. Civil rights lawsuits will follow, and hopefully, justice.
- – -
Sen. Robert Casey Jr.’s rating with NARAL is 65%. He votes pro-abortion two thirds of the time, although we might concede strong-arm tactics by Democrat pro-abortion leaders on some of those votes.
Don’t believe Democrat lies that they are allowing a pro-life senator to speak and their convention, however. Not so. Read their new extremist pro-abortion platform.
- – -
In a ruthless international conspiracy, a group calling itself the “brain trust” met in secret recently to plot how to take advantage of conflict situations to advance the abortion and radical feminist agenda. A new group called the Global Justice Center (GJC) hosted the New York meeting on June 9 of this year, planning to promote unrestricted abortion mills globally by exploiting ceasefire and peace talks to gain leverage in newly-formed governments. The GJC meeting brought together academics, lawyers, practitioners with ties to such radical groups as the George Soros’ Open Society Institute, Equality Now, Center for Reproductive Rights, Women’s Environment and Development Organization (WEDO) and Amnesty International.
- – -
Shantaivia Johnson, 21, of Springfield Gardens, NY was arrested last week on charges of manslaughter and endangering the welfare of a child, after the remains of a dead full-term infant boy were found at her home. Johnson had an unwanted pregnancy in 2007, gave birth at home, and put the baby in the bucket in her closet.
McCain didn’t even bother attempting to answer most of the questions. He went off on lectures, stories he’s told so many times only he would be able to mess them up (the rest of us could repeat them word for word!), and campaign talking points. That about wrapped up his hour.
Obama gave thoughtful (although too wordy) answers. Didn’t seem to be practiced. Seemed honest, knowledgeable, introspective, conversational. He listened to the questions and answered them ALL! McCain began speaking before the questions were even asked and then managed NOT to answer them!
Ya know, I think BlueJay, you could give a better perspective than most of tonight. I and probably many others went in with a distinct prejudice. So I am interested in your “take.”
Boy, I could give everyone here a lesson on stem cell research and in a few words EVERYONE would know more than McCain does!
List of Internation Treaties UN:
http://untreaty.un.org/English/TreatyEvent2008/Treaties/list_english.pdf
===========================================
AmWay —- WHY would you expect to find this treaty listed on a UN web site??? It isnt a UN Treaty!!! I gave you the link upthread…. and now here again…..
http://www.oecd.org
The LETTER itself even lists as the source, the OECD!!! Good grief!!
Pastor Warren called both McCain and Obama friends of his.
Senator Obama? Unless you have forsaken all you claimed in the past to believe in?
Pastor Warren is not your friend. He set you up.
So HUD, if the majority of people decided that we can decide that..lets say…freedom of speech should be overturned that means we let it happen? NO, that’s why we aren’t a democracy.
Do you really think the founding fathers meant when they wrote ‘religious test’ that you would ask the candidates to sit down with a pen and paper and write out passages of the bible? Get real. They practically do that now when answering questions that some of these candidate surveys ask anyway.
I’m downright distraught on the happenings tonight. This is just as wrong as starting a darn war on lies. This is a fundamental principle of the US.
Its true, neocons only care about teh second amendment and treat the rest as a “god-damned piece of paper”.
I’m so ready to split this nation. Tony Perkins sits here and CRITICISES Obama for his ‘unspecific’ answers, then applauds McCunt for his brief responses? I really really hope that neocons get slaughtered in the polls.
Pmomma, absolutely you MUST be correct.
Take it to court. Heck, I’ll send you ten dollars.
Sue someone. Do it now!
You are clueless regarding the US Constitution, but by golly SUE SOMEONE.
Just tell me WHO – or please drop it.
I missed the beginning of the “Forum”
Did the candidates have a list of the questions before the meeting??
There is no Constitutional challenge to this Forum…. Rick Warren did not endorse either candidate… at least not YET…. IF he should endorse either candidate, THEN there would be a Constitutional Challenge….
Also, there were no religious “trappings” present on the “stage” area…
“I’m downright distraught on the happenings tonight. This is just as wrong as starting a darn war on lies.”
Pmomma the war was legal: The US Congress voted and supported it.
Now, if the City of Wichita, the country, or the state enacted a LAW banning guns (sorta like the city of WASHD.C. did), then THAT would be a violation of l-a-w.
That would violate the 2nd Amendment.
But asking someone if they LIKE guns is NOT a violation of the US Constitition.
Even if Rick Warren ultimately publicly or privately ENDORSES a candidate – no constitutional violation of law occurred.
Geez: And you are the party claiming Bush violated the Constitution?
You need to take a basic college course on it.
I don’t think we were told whether or not the candidates were given the questions in advance. It didn’t seem like they were. Obama went first as the result of a coin toss and McCain was somewhere he couldn’t hear Obama’s answers.
McCain was asked a few more questions than Obama only because there was time. That was explained at the beginning — the length the answers took would decide how many questions would be asked. Four categories of less than a quarter hour each. For the most part the same questions, although not asked verbatim.
“I gave you the link upthread…. and now here again….. ”
Sorry Chas. I went to your link. I missed where it provides for the US Congress passing a bill which FUNDS the program to give the UN an amount equal to .7 of our GNP.
Didn’t see it.
Without Congress passing funding, and a president signing (or allowing the law to take affect without signature), there CAN BE ZERO DOLLARS SENT TO THE UN.
Since some of you want to argue the US Constitution tonight, and you say there is a “treaty” which obligates the US to pay, you might want to send your letter to your democrat controlled Congress to appropriate FUNDS to pay the UN:
Article I Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
(BTW, if the US Congress SHOULD decide to fund the UN starving children program, I would suggest to you that would be BEYOND the constitutional mandate. Beyond their power under the constitution).
Regardless, your letter to President Bush (the lame duck) is not only worthless, but addressed to the wrong constitutional body.
I’m so ready to split this nation.
Good luck with that.
The NCAA, NAACP, AARP, ACORN, UAW, BET, AMVETS, VFW, KKK, Knights of Columbs, Lutherans, Catholics, Jews, or any other religious group can ask candidates for election to answer questions from their body.
If the candidate wants to participate – they may freely do so.
Would they be breaking the LAW – if they refused to answer questions?
Michael Phelps just accomplished something we’ll likely never again see in our collective lifetimes.
Truly amazing.
Amway – exactly.
This was nothing even relatively close to a “religious test.”
relatively remotely
It IS a religious test. Tell me testicles and Amway- what would be a religious test to you?
You are such a dishonest lot.
So the relay team won?
Phelps, a talented individual owes his “personal” record to the efforts of a collective?
Yes that lesson should guide us for many years.
Let us hope that Phelps does not forget the other three members of his team that gave him this honor.
PeeMom,
A religious test is a constitutional requirement that a candidate be required to accept or adhere to any religion.
I wonder.
Is moveon.org planning a similar forum as we saw tonight?
Will John McCain be placed in front of a largely hostile audience?
The….discussion, if you would call it that, was fronted by the head of a mega church. The audience was composed of evangelical Christians who paid and paid big to be there.
Tonight was a religious test. Did it break a law — NO. It was a test to see who could pander most effectively to those who believe religion should be of utmost importance in government. And it was all about getting elected. Sad. Let’s HOPE Americans make the decision to not be a theocracy. But it doesn’t look good.
If anyone missed it, FOX is replaying it right now. You could listen to each word and come to your own conclusions.
Catching the rerun now on Cspan.
Obama is approving faith based initiatives.
Screw that. Help people or don’t. Don’t make them listen to the sermon for the bowl of thin soup.
Can’t do squat unless you’re elected.
AmWay — Constitutional isnt exactly the term that we should be using here… It is in the area of tax exemption that would be violated if Warren were to ENDORSE a candidate… in his function as Pastor of Saddleback Church…. So, yea, you’re technically right… I think it gets lumped erroneously into the Separation Clause issue… and it is in reality a tax exempt issue…
Feel better now??
Chas, Is Warren allowed the same individual rights as you and I? Can he support a candidate out loud? Are there imitations to where he may speak of his support?
OK AmWay…. ONE more time here….
WHY are you on some kind of a kick that the treaty mentioned in that LETTER is about funding to the UN??? I have stated numerous times, that it is NOT a UN Treaty!!
Is there something there that you dont understand?? Or are you intentionally being dense?? This is a TREATY approved and SIGNED by the USA in 2002 — Under the Bush controlled Congress….
Now, since the Treaty is SIGNED… it only follows reason that it was approved by Congress, as per the Constitutional note that you quoted from above…. Just because the LETTER doesnt reference WHEN the damned thing weas approved by Congress, doesnt leave the matter open to YOUR opinion….
The ONLY thing the LETTER asks is for the President to take the initiative to fulfill the obligation agreed to in 2002 at TWO — count em — TWO different conferences/summits…. One in Monterey, and the other in Johannesburg….
Do you get it NOW???
Once again, this is NOT a UN Treaty…. It is a TREATY through the OECD…
“Can’t do squat unless you’re elected.”
Linda I am deeply disappointed you have so surrendered.
Obama has already surrendered and pandered so much that I cannot vote for him.
I’d rather lose on my feet than win on my knees.
Jay — I’m not real sure I understand what it is you wanted Obama to say, that he didnt say…. He seemed pretty much on point to me…
We each have that choice and I respect yours, BlueJay. I know you are very intelligent, well informed and totally capable of making an informed decision. I have voted AGAINST many times, so voting for the better of the two doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t think I will live long enough to actually vote FOR someone. But I hope I do! To me that would mean America was on the right track, back to being America, The Land of the Free.
I’m watching this “interview” again. If McCain says “my friends” one more time I’m gonna puke.
I will give McCain this — he stated very clearly how important the possible three, probably two Supreme Court vacancies will be for the next pres.
Bluejay, Clinton isn’t on the ticket. We don’t have many choices. I will vote for the one that I feel is the better. I hope you do too. I hope your vote isn’t one out of discouragement from what wasn’t. I’m facing what is. McCain will be four more years of what we have, where we are but WORSE. bush has been a puppet, McCain won’t be and he is seriously mentally ill.
bush has been a puppet, McCain won’t be and he is seriously mentally ill.
Proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.
McCain is lecturing all of us right now. He is out of control, he is swinging his arms, he is trying to sell be afraid, be very afraid. And, you know what, he really is scary!
Well Chas I didn’t want him to say that welfare “reform” was GOOD. Putting people in slave wage jobs serving rich people is good?
I didn’t want him to say that faith based initiatives were good and should be funded by the government.
I didn’t want him to throw a friend of mine under the bus when he said that marriage was reserved to a man and a woman.
And finally? I don’t think a rich man like Obama has any place to say just who and who is not rich.
Obama may well have destroyed himself this evening. All because he is so loved and wants to be more loved.
I don’t give a rats ass about the right’s “love” or what it takes to earn it. I want them beat.
Obama did not show me that.
Yeah I’m watching McCain right now.
This whole forum was set up to make him look good.
And Obama fell right into it.
Why is not McCain in front of a concentrated liberal audience?
Obama does not need that love anymore?
Hell I don’t HAVE a candidate. I don’t even have a country.
Well. BlueJay, if you want “them” beaten badly enough…
McCain is a bigger neocon (and I really know what that word means and don’t throw it around loosely!) than bush. bush was / is stupid and had neocons “guiding” him to his war of choice. McCain will relish more war, more death, less safety for every citizen, more of the same failed economic policies, ever worsening health care crisis, energy crisis, environmental crisis.
We know how bad “things” are now. McCain WILL make all “things” worse!
If he calls me his friend one more time I really will need to puke. He is probably too old to break bad habits. Speech coaches wouldn’t help. On the bright side, if he is elected we have an excellent chance he won’t live long enough to complete his term of office. Because of his obvious mental instability we better hope he kicks the can! Makes the VP selection interesting.
Jay — I wasnt thrilled with Obama’s comments on marriage either… Hoever, he did say same gender couples should have the same rights as any other married couple… AND he is against the Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage… He stands against his denomination on that issue….
I also wasnt terribly thrilled with the faith based initiatives…. BUT… He wasnt anywhere NEAR the Right Wing on that one either…. He was uniquely his own person… He draws the line that if a faith based organization receives federal funds, then they cannot show any kind of discrimination in their hiring… which is directly the opposite of the RR, and also Rick warren’s group….
And, to me…. $100,000 income is RICH to me… IF I heard him correctly, he was actually saying that “RICH” is a relative term…. THEN he set out his tax break/tax increase ideas…. which arent that bad…. It would certainly benefit YOU and ME…
So, yea, I would like to have seen him take a few things farther…. and I would like to have seen him hold back on others…
At this point, he is all we have…. McCain, as Linda said, is SCARY!!
“Because of his obvious mental instability we better hope he kicks the can!” [Lindainks]
That statement there is exactly why he WONT be elected… His instability seems to be growing each week…
Well by McCain’s definition?
I’m not rich.
Yeah like I did not know that while I watch him on a 25 year old 13 inch TV.
And he just said that 5 million dollars a year is the bottom line for rich?
Obama was a complete idiot for engaging in this forum.
And I’ve made a decision.
Obama is not electable. And if electable, he is not desirable.
My choice otherwise is a guy who married money and calls 5 million dollars a year the threshold of “rich”?
I want a different choice.
PLEASE Senator Clinton. Make a floor fight of this.
I am not sure Obama is not WORSE than McCain.
Well, gotta go out of town for a while tomorrow….
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Good night Chas. I’m right behind you. I’m finishing listening to this “interview” for the second time. Looking forward to the debates! Looking forward to this election season being finished. I’m tired.
“OUR” candidate panders to their candidate by going into HIS forum?
WHY?
You don’t pander when you are winning.
Obama is a mistake. Senator Clinton has left us an escape hatch.
I say we use it.
Obama went because he is on the campaign trail. He is trying to get votes in order to be elected. It’s what politicians do. It’s what Clinton would have done had she not been beaten during the primaries.
Clinton was beaten by the man you say is unelectable.
NOW McCain is tiring and stumbling.
“My friends” is stuttered “muh friend”
Why in the hell do we have a candidate in Obama who goes to fight that idiot on his own idiot populated ground?
And he just called me his friend again.
I wonder if he will tell me where those 40 dollar an hour lettuce picking jobs are? I have asked.
Senator Clinton? PLEASE save us from the moron Barack Obama!
Sorry linda.
I’d rather lose to an enemy than win with a “friend”.
Oh and linda?
Obama ran tactically, not strategically.
He won the primary, barely.
THAT was the extent of his (or his handlers) vision.
Here? We see Obama going to win the love of people who hate you and me.
McCain will not win so much as Obama will lose.
HEHEHEHE
I love it when the libs have their little family squabbles!
The democrat convention is gong to be better than the Super Bowl and the World Series combined!
nitwits
Thanks Hank! Good night all.
” PLEASE Senator Clinton. Make a floor fight of this.
I am not sure Obama is not WORSE than McCain.”
I take that back.
Let it be.
Let it be McCain or Obama. Whoever it is is destined to fail.
And maybe though we have suffered much, we have not suffered enough to do the right thing.
Obama went hat in hand to the right.
The right needs to come on hands and knees with hat in teeth and let THEM beg.
HEHEHE
Still getting McCains take.
This thing was set up for him.
Several times Warren stated directly to Obama, “I don’t want to hear from your stump speech,” but he allowed John S (for senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) to recite slogans from his stump speech.
Obama came off as thoughtful and conversational. McC*nt reminded me of your crazy coot grand dad who tells the same stories over and over again.
(And, btw. That was the same cup. Obama used it to drink from; McBush used it to drool into.)
This is from KC Star columnist Joe Poznanski’s blog –
I think it’s funny.
OK, so by now you have certainly heard about the online headline they had last week in Haaretz, a big newspaper in Israel:
“Two Jews and and a black man help Phelps fulfill Olympic dream.”
Many have talked about how it sounds like the beginning of a joke that, say, you would hear in a Shecky Greene act. We here in Beijing have been wondering for a while now what inspired the direction of that headline. The image I have had is of Michael Phelps up on the podium for his post-race press conference, behind the microphone, with his coach next to him, and he leans forward and says: “First off, before we get started here, I just want to say that I really want to thank the black man who helped me fulfill my Olympic dream.” Then he sits back to take questions, but first his coach leans over and whispers something in his ear. Phelps then goes forward again and says: “And also the two Jewish guys.”
McCain says…
I believe that America’s best days are ahead of it.
Well I guess he would. He’s rich. Or his wife is.
Oh life is very good just now for the rich and getting richer.
Where I sit? America’s best days are history that I tell my kid about.
Rick Warren says in closing that we have to learn to get along.
Rick Warren is rich. I am not.
I do not much care for calls to get along with folks who can get a national forum with their like minded because they can afford it….
while I struggle simply to survive.
“BlueJay” –
Here’s why I like you, guy.
“Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.” — Henry David Thoreau
Although I wouldn’t necessarily consider you exactly “quiet” in the matter.
;^)
You think I’m a cynic. I think you’re too idealistic (and not without moral justification).
But you have that “song” Thoreau talked about. And it should be sung.
The Ship of State cannot stop and turn on a dime. Would that it could. If this election gives us nothing more than a course correction, it’ll be the most significant electoral event since 1932.
Keep singin’ your song, “BlueJay” (as annoying as real blue-jays’ “songs” are to listen to). People should hear it. The CONs in this forum will call you a whiner and a pest, but if any group ever deserved whining and pestering it’s today’s so-called “CONservatives.”
I suspect you’re accusations that Obama has “sold out” are based on a key misconception: that Obama is or ever was a liberal. He’s been a moderate all along. That’s not “selling out,” that’s a misperception on your part of where Obama was and is.
As much as I appreciated Bill Clinton’s Elvis Populism, I saw the game he was playing. But Bill Clinton never was “liberal.” Anyone who thinks so wasn’t paying attention.
Obama is more like a… say, “Sinatra Populist.” He sings the lyrics of standards, but in a way that touches people, persuades people, inspires people, leads people.
John S (for “senile”) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) shouts out bumper-sticker slogans.
Your blog post is totally a-list
As newly registred member i just wanted to say hi to everyone, even though i know that noone really gives a damn :-)
Hello
It had been expected that those who were not compliant with the World Health Organization’s (WHO) GMP standards would be forced to cease operations but the MoH has now softened its stance.
The body’s new position is that each company’s circumstances will be assessed on a case by case basis, with provisory regulations brought in. Companies now have until 2010 to comply with GMP.
Vietnam’s MoH believes that making the nations facilities GMP compliant is essential if they are to evolve into entities capable of competing with foreign competitors.
This is intended to ensure that Vietnam’s small but growing local pharmaceutical production industry, which grew by 18 per cent in 2007 to $560m, is equipped to combat international rivals.
However, the MoH has now adjusted its timeframe for GMP compliance following a petition from Vietnam’s pharmaceutical manufacturers, which explained the difficulties they faced in adopting and maintaining the standards.
Companies felt more time was needed to arrange capital, modify practices and expand production to bring them into line with the GMP criteria.
http://flonase.medicoolguide.comG‘night
“Traslerilesox
Posted August 22, 2008 at 6:55 am | Permalink
As newly registred member i just wanted to say hi to everyone, even though i know that noone really gives a damn ”
Welcome!
Hi all!
Washington University and the pharmaceutical company Pfizer Inc. will collaborate more closely under a new $25 million, five-year biomedical research agreement that has the potential to move discoveries from the laboratory bench to patients’ bedsides more quickly. The collaboration represents a new model of partnership between academia and industry.
http://prevacid.medseption.comBye
Hello and good morning! Just wanted to come in and say hi. I’m Jerry. I enjoy cooking, volunteering, doing Paint Shop on the computer. I also like to listen to country, 70’s and 80’s music. Thanks for letting me join your group!