Open thread 8/12

128 Comments

  1. Posted August 12, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Once again, more irrefutable scientific evidence that supports the Theory of Natural Selection. I looked for scientific evidence for creationism, and scientific evidence for a god which was claimed to exist but I didn’t find any.

    Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island

    Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.

    In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say.

    In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea.

    Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970s.

    More at:
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html

  2. HLP
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Good morning Mpunk!

    More evidence of the desperation of ’scientists’ to prove the lie of evolution!

    God created a lizard with the ability to adapt to a new environment and scientists desperately seeking new grant money call it evolution!

    nitwit

  3. Posted August 12, 2008 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Regardless of what happens next, it is worth asking what the Bush people were thinking when they egged on Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia’s young, Western-educated president, to apply for NATO membership, send 2,000 of his troops to Iraq as a full-fledged U.S. ally, and receive tactical training and weapons from our military.

    Did they really think Putin would sit by and see another border state (and former province of the Russian empire) slip away to the West? If they thought that Putin might not, what did they plan to do about it, and how firmly did they warn Saakashvili not to get too brash or provoke an outburst?

    It’s heartbreaking, but even more infuriating, to read so many Georgians quoted in the New York Times–officials, soldiers, and citizens–wondering when the United States is coming to their rescue. It’s infuriating because it’s clear that Bush did everything to encourage them to believe that he would.

    When Bush (properly) pushed for Kosovo’s independence from Serbia, Putin warned that he would do the same for pro-Russian secessionists elsewhere, by which he could only have meant Georgia’s separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Putin had taken drastic steps in earlier disputes over those regions–for instance, embargoing all trade with Georgia–with an implicit threat that he could inflict far greater punishment. Yet Bush continued to entice Saakashvili with weapons, training, and talk of entry into NATO. Of course the Georgians believed that if they got into a firefight with Russia, the Americans would bail them out.

  4. beber
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Hey, lets put some anti-missile missiles in Georgia!

  5. beber
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Bush should visit Georgia to reassure them.

  6. beber
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Another case of a life ruined by the false testimony of a child.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i7890blkYAWO0icWS5H4izUU0aXwD92GFR300

  7. Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Hey Maggotpunk, don’t you get tired of trying to prove evolution? You have become boring.

    About Georgia and Russia, it is so predictable that you democrats would take the side of Russia communist over Georgia who has broken away from the communist and now have freedom like us. There is plenty of room in Russia and they could use you if you really like the communist that much.

    You put down your own president when he sent our troops over to Iraq but you praise Putin when he attacked Georgia. There is your double standard again. You support the communist government but not the democratic government. It is apparent that you enjoy freedom or else you would not be using it, your freedom of choice, everyday on the blogs. Is it that you want nobody to have that same freedom that you have or are you not wanting that freedom for those who don’t agree with you?

  8. Mary_Caruso
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    The same can be said for the creationists..there is no evidence whatsoever that there is a god, only the faith of those who believe. Give it up guys, you can’t make scientific priciples go away simply by denying their truth, and you’re not going to convince any rationale thinking person that evolution can’t happen without a “god” directing it.

  9. Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Wichitans are truly charitable and civic minded.. I am amazed at how many individuals and businesses were helping out our City Water Department by watering their rain-soaked grass this morning!

  10. Raptor
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Oh nooooo….is this going to be another endless religion posting where nobody ever convinces anyone else of anything? It is getting ridiculously boring with biblical quotes, back and forth claims and counterclaims. Neither side can prove anything, and neither side can convince the other of anything.

  11. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Russia isn’t “Communist” anymore. Remember that whole fall of the Berlin Wall thingy?

  12. Raptor
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Hey Samkan….do you know that many people have private wells, thus not using city water for their lawns?

  13. outlander
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    “It’s heartbreaking, but even more infuriating, to read so many Georgians quoted in the New York Times–officials, soldiers, and citizens–wondering when the United States is coming to their rescue. It’s infuriating because it’s clear that Bush did everything to encourage them to believe that he would.”

    ————

    PURE horse hockey Monkeyhawk.

  14. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Some of you have your heads so far up Bushs’ ass, your thinking so unsophisticated and uneducated that you can’t see the forest for the trees. You believe it’s about “spreading democracy”, which is a prime example of your ignorance. WE AIN’T NO DEMOCRACY.

    Look at a map, kinda surrounding Iran eh?

  15. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Once again, more irrefutable scientific evidence that supports the Theory

    Irrefutable evidence that supports a theory. Then why is it still only a theory?

  16. Indie
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink
    Oh nooooo….is this going to be another endless religion posting where nobody ever convinces anyone else of anything? It is getting ridiculously boring with biblical quotes, back and forth claims and counterclaims. Neither side can prove anything, and neither side can convince the other of anything.

    Agreed raptor — the 6-8 posters from both sides that clog the blog with theor own agendas and one sided blind obedience to a theology or philosophy that it has gone well beyond any comic value — it is sad, relentlessly, adults arguing to no purpose other than the opportunity to ridicule and insult another adult acting like the same 3 yr old they are day after day after day way too much time on thier hands …. —- I decided a month or so ago to no longer participate in the name calling and chastising that has become the trademark here of the regulars, prices, chas’s, capn america — no substance, no style, no class makes this a worthless pos —

  17. beber
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Hey, I got another good idea! Let’s add Georgia and the Ukraine to NATO!

  18. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    I got a better idea. How bout we withdraw from NATO, the UN, the WTO and all other organizations that bind us to agreements that may not be in our best interest.

    Lets quite screwing with other governments and let them develop as they please.

    Lets keep our nose firmly on OUR face.

  19. Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Pleefer, don’t you know that Putin was former KGB. What do you think the KGB did? Heeelllooo? Is there anybody in there? Russia, would very much like to go back to communism. Why do you doubt that when you yourselves want it so badly too?

    For once I agree with raptor. Get off the religion conversation! Everyone has the ability to choose for themselves, God gave it to us. There will be those that choose Him and those that don’t, He even told us so.

    Right now, I think there are other important issues of the day. And I think it would be nice, but probably next to impossible, for democrats to quit including Bush in any argument. You need to let it go. He only has a few months left in office. What excuse will you use to back up your ideas when he is no longer there? I have this feeling it will be the same thing, you will still include Bush in everything. You let your hate get away from you.

    Don’t you have any opinions of your own besides Bush was bad? btw – we Republicans don’t have our heads up Bush’s “you know what”, but I think you democrats do. It is all you can talk about?

    Here’s a challenge for you dems. For one day, make your point without using Bush as your fall back. Show me I’m wrong, but I think YOU WILL FAIL!!! It takes some intelligence.

  20. DavidB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Please look up the definition of theory… it may be too complex a word for some, though…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

  21. Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Raptor…

    not too many private wells in NE Wichita. Still… for about $100 they could get a sensor to stop their sprinklers from running in the rain… common sense.

  22. beber
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    “Pleefer, don’t you know that Putin was former KGB.” == Boring hunter.

    Don’t you mean pootie poo?

  23. Nathaniel
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Looks like all you chicken littles better get to screaming a little louder, your message is not being heard as much:

    Waning Warming Debate

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/pn_20080811_9261.php

    For all the recent coverage of the pollution surrounding Beijing’s Olympic Games, global warming has gotten relatively little attention, whether on the nightly news or on the campaign trail. While the majority of Americans still say they consider climate change a serious issue, a new poll suggests public concern over the issue has ebbed since last year.

  24. HLP
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    samkan
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Raptor…

    not too many private wells in NE Wichita.

    ____________________________________________

    Not too many sprinkler systems either.

    Sprinkler systems should be set up for as a co-ordinated with and to assist the expected rainfall.

    If a lawn needs an average of 24 inches a month for a green and healthy appearance and it only rains 12 inches in August then it doesn’t really matter if it’s raining or not when the sprinklers are running.

    The type of grass, your soil makeup, the time of year and expected rain fall all determine how much you should water your lawn with your sprinklers.

    If you are rich enough to use city water to water your lawn, you should be able to have your sprinklers co-ordinated with the seasonal rainfall.

    Almost every one I know uses well water for their sprinkler system. It’s really stupid not to.

  25. Heckler
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Know your eco-cronies.

    Nancy Pelosi Invests In Energy Scheme and Water Grab By T. Boone Pickens
    August 11, 2008

    Nancy Pelosi says that she is trying to save the planet and prevent global warming, but the reality is that, according to disclosure statements, in May 2007 she invested in T. Boone Picken’s clean energy fuels corp., CLNE, which is the sole sponsor of a proposal in California to funnel $5 billion in state funds and $5 billion in Federal funs to this corporation which will indirectly help them create a giant wind farm in the Texas panhandle.

    http://dontgomovement.com/2008/08/11/nancy-pelosi-invests-in-energy-scheme-and-water-grab-by-t-boone-pickens/

    Save the environment. And your stock portfolio at the same time?

  26. TomPaine
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Since the Soviet Union crumbled almost 20 years ago what is the point of NATO? other than waste Billions of Dollars of our tax money maintaining hundreds of thousands of troops in Europe, waiting for the Soviets to invade Europe?

  27. Heckler
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Prelude to a Kiss?

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/0bgB1vu4qY31p

  28. Heckler
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Time for a caption contest.

    Get with it.

  29. Heckler
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Get a room?

  30. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    “Once you go Black, you never go back”

  31. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Scariest damn thing I’ve read in a while.

    Does a McCain-Lieberman ticket make sense?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16530615/

  32. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    “Is that that Koran in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?”

  33. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    “We are who We have been waiting for”

  34. gster
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    “I’m leading!”
    “No, I’m leading!”
    “I said I was!!”
    “At least wait until the damn music starts!”

  35. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    “…former top strategist Mark Penn to Sen. Hillary Clinton said…”

    “His roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values,”

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

  36. beber
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    “Since the Soviet Union crumbled almost 20 years ago what is the point of NATO? other than waste Billions of Dollars of our tax money maintaining hundreds of thousands of troops in Europe, waiting for the Soviets to invade Europe?” — Tom Paine

    Currently, there are 65,000 U.S. troops in Europe. — http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0628/p02s03-usmi.html

  37. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Pelosi open to vote on offshore drilling

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/12/pelosi.qanda/index.html

  38. annie_moose
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

    straight talk express

  39. annie_moose
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo&feature=related

    McCain Econ Lesson

  40. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    McCain Econ Lesson

    Got that one in my favorites.

  41. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related

    This who you want with a finger on “the button”?

  42. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    WOWEE, I never realized that Putin was KGB! You really are informed.

  43. Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Pleefer, I HOPE that was srcasm!! :roll:

  44. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    And the current Pope was Hitler youth, does that mean he wants to reinstate National Socialism?

  45. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Yes, sarcasm.

  46. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Nice temper. He really knows how to treat women…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCXOZpwT2ek&feature=related

  47. Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related

    This who you want with a finger on “the button”?
    ===========================================

    Of course not…. BUT, with all due respect, that is a very old tape…. McCain looks pretty young in that video….

  48. Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    LOL Sol — Very typical of McCain, as we have learned… However, I dont think it had much to do with the questioner being female… From what I have seen, he would have probably given pretty much the same “F’n” answer to ANY reporter asking that one…

    McCain is just SO wrong for being POTUS…. SO wrong!! I hate to even say this, but for the Republicans to put this man up for a Candidate, says to me that they dont even CARE about winning in November!!

  49. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    McCain hides his own Easter eggs.

  50. LLTVET
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Sol, I’m actually starting to like McCain from those videos.

    I say rock on to the cussing. If I have to listen to some idiot saying “It’s ‘Under God’ or get out” then why can’t I say “F$&* OFF” to that idiot? His “Under God” statement is just as offensive to me as mine is to him. I just wish McCain would have had the stones enough to talk like that to Rush Limbaugh.

  51. SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    A reporter asks about Kerry approaching McCain for the VP. This gets her a tirade from McCain? God Help us if Ahmadinejad asks the wrong question.

  52. LLTVET
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Ok Sol, I was just being ornery.

  53. Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
    McCain hides his own Easter eggs.

    And then cannot find them.

  54. CapnAmerica
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    http://www.newsnet5.com/money/17165868/detail.html

    GAO: Most U.S. Corps. Don’t Pay Income Tax
    GAO: Trillions In Sales Untaxed For Years

    UPDATED: 7:34 am EDT August 12, 2008

    WASHINGTON — The Government Accountability Office is set to release a report that says most U.S. corporations pay no federal income taxes.

    And most foreign companies that do business in the United States aren’t paying corporate taxes.

    The study says about two-thirds of American corporations paid zero income taxes to Uncle Sam between 1998 and 2005.

    An even higher percentage of foreign corporations avoided federal corporate taxes. At the same time, said the GAO, the firms had trillions of dollars in sales.

    The study was requested by Democratic Sens. Carl Levin of Michigan and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota.

    “It’s shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay nothing to support our country,” Dorgan said.

    The report doesn’t name names, and the congressional agency didn’t investigate why corporations aren’t paying corporate or income taxes. But the GAO said it could be because of operating losses and tax credits.

  55. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Now with blow jobs, my kid’s will learn that that talk is appropriate. Thye always scold me when I talk that way. But when a potential POTUS nominee speaks it, well, it’s good.

  56. Pleefer
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Upon further inspection, the video is faked. It doesn’t match up and why even bleep it out, if you’re going to print it?

  57. CapnAmerica
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    RUSH LIMBAUGH

    March 10, 1994, Thursday 11:15 AM

    SHOW: RUSH LIMBAUGH (9:00 PM ET)

    FIXING UNEMPLOYMENT

    Now I don’t know about you, but if I were to ever be fired, which is highly unlikely…

    (Laughter)

    LIMBAUGH: …but if I were to ever be fired, I’d go someplace where people are being hired. I would search out jobs where jobs are. The last thing I would want to go to is some Bill Clinton empoy–employment center and talk to a bunch of egg-headed liberal politicians and get counseling about how I’m feeling about it.

    *******

    The Washington Times

    February 21, 1996, Wednesday, Final Edition

    The funny world of Al Franken

    BYLINE: Michael Rust

    SECTION: Part A; COMMENTARY; OP-ED; POLITICAL BOOKS; Pg. A21

    And then there’s the title essay, whose central figure, it turns out, was more or less forced by his second wife to stop lying around the house eating junk food and go file for unemployment insurance. (A neighbor kid mowed his lawn during this period.) This experience of unemployment did not stop Mr. Limbaugh from later announcing – during his salad days, if such an expression may be used with regard to Mr. Limbaugh – that he had “no compassion” for poor people.

    But then, as Mr. Franken points out, “I guess it’s easy to be overcome with compassion fatigue when you’re carrying an extra hundred and forty pounds.” It should be noted, by the way, that more than politics separates Mr. Franken from his targets. He has been married to the same woman for 19 years, and has two children. “Quick,” he asks, “What do Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, and George Will have in common? Answer: They’ve all been married only one time less than Rush Limbaugh.”

  58. CapnAmerica
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    The above post is in response to BDP Fleettwood’s request for a link to Rush Limbaugh drawing welfare.

    He remained on unemployment and public assistance for two years . . .

  59. Phantom
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Cold war wasn’t a good thing for the Proxies.

  60. Grateful_Dave
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Significantly, this new concentration on gravity as a basic and universal fact of nature
    corresponded to the growing obsession with human fallenness in the religious thought of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. As the sense of human degradation before God increased and as the soul took on an impossible weight of sin, the problem of gravity began to tease the mind. Up to this point in history, we have been dealing with perceptions of morality and nature derived from an ancient symbolism that united the experience of weight to the experience of ungodliness. But now something of supreme importance happened; the two lines of thought—spiritual and natural—parted company to become separate realms of discourse. The scientists took up the discussion of gravity as if it were without a spiritual meaning; they cut the natural phenomenon away from its primordial religious connection. They demythologized it. They could simply no longer feel gravity in their understanding as symbolically related to an experience of transcendent significance. What is ironic, of course, is that their very loss of this dimension of experience was itself a sign of ultimate fallenness. They—and their society generally—were losing their capacity to perceive the universe about
    them as a repository of spiritual meanings. In the new science, there was to be no trace of sacredness left in nature. What is this if not the very state of cosmic abandonment that provides the basis for Protestant Christianity?

    Where The Wasteland Ends
    Author: Theodore Roszak

  61. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    “The above post is in response to BDP Fleettwood’s request for a link to Rush Limbaugh drawing welfare.”

    You failed. Where’s the link?

  62. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    BDP Fleettwood–

    I had to go to LexisNexus to find these sources. I’m guessing you don’t have access to that data base, judging from the baseless and content-free posts you make.

    You might be able to find them if you google them.

    Anyway, I proved that I have sources for my claim that Rush Limpballs was on welfare. If you don’t like those sources, prove that they are wrong.

  63. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    “Anyway, I proved that I have sources for my claim that Rush Limpballs was on welfare.”

    Could you be any weaker? Franken is your source?
    That wasn’t even a good try.
    FAIL!

  64. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Washington Times backed it up.

    You lose.

    Loser.

  65. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    “Washington Times backed it up.”

    Stee-rike three!

    They backed up nothing. They reported what Franken said.

    You and the Times have something in common.

    You have backed up nothing.

    Where is the link?

  66. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    And while I was researching Limbaugh, I discovered this interesting tid-bit:

    http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/9656.php

    A 46 year old music store owner from the St. Louis area, Elliot Sanders, is claiming that while a college student at Southeast Missouri University in 1971, he had an affair with Rush Limbaugh. Sanders claims that he and Limbaugh, the well known talk radio star, had an affair that went on for about 3 months in the fall of 1971…

    Sanders stated that he met Limbaugh in a class he was taking, but it was only after meeting his sister, who was openly gay at that time, that he found out Rush himself was gay. “Rush was a charming man privately,” says Sanders, “I met him in a class I was taking, and got on a first name basis with him. I didn’t realize he was gay until his sister came to visit him. She was gay, and like, we hit it off, and she seemed shocked that I didn’t know Rush was gay as well. When I found out I was like … wow!”

    Sanders says that privately, Limbaugh was very sensitive and caring man, but that he was furiously angry that KFBK, the top 40 radio station he worked while still in high school would not offer him a full time job.

    “He was furious about that,” said Sanders, “And he often told me that he was really going to show them.” According to Sanders, Rush’s politics at the time were somewhat middle of the road. “Rush said that he though most people are incredibly gullible, and he felt that the key to radio programming was to reach that crowd, and that it would be really, really easy. He thought he thought he could get anyone to believe anything he said, and the more outrageous is was, the more they would believe it.”

    When asked when he thought Limbaugh “went straight,” Sanders replied, “What are you talking about? I mean, he’s been married four times now, do people really not get why he doesn’t stay married? I guarantee none of those marriages was ever consummated.”

  67. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Hey, CONs, would you still love Limbaugh just as much if it came out that he were gay?

    I know I would . . .

  68. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Strike four for you. Have you quit trying?

  69. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Also from CrapCan’s link-

    Do the math…..A 46 year old today was born in 1957… and was 14 in 1971…hardly college age. This calls into question the veracity of the claim. Just because somebody says something or posts it on the ‘Net doesn’t make it true. The Web = World’s Largest Info Garbage Dump

  70. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Anti–

    The article is from the 90’s.

    Dude, does it hurt to be that stupid?

  71. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    by Friends of Liberty • Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2003 at 10:44 AM

  72. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Correction–2002

  73. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    looks like the 2000’s CrapCan

  74. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Do the math. Dude, does it hurt to be that stupid?

  75. Regular
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Twenty year old articles from a small time blog based in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is no doubt the Crapn’s authoritative source for occurrences in Missouri and Rush Limbaugh.

  76. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm ANTI??? The article is FIVE years old??? Good point ANTI… unless the kid was taking some kind of accelerated class… the kind that ARE offered at SE MO State… But, that is a bet of a stretch….

  77. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm ANTI??? The article is FIVE years old???
    —–
    Yes, I know, that IS what I stated.

  78. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    bet = bit

  79. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Pittsburg Independent Media?

    capn really has quit trying.

    Please excuse me. I’ll be at the plaque store.

    See you there. Oops, nevermind. I guess I won’t.

  80. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Capn are you really that gullible. What is this sisters name? It will be interesting seeing you furnish this since Rush has one brother David and no sisters.

    When you wish upon a star
    Truth isn’t important

    And your old side kick Chass is right there to back you up. You all bring humor into my day!

    Thanks

  81. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    “bet = bit”

    For one, we knew that.
    For two, we didn’t care.

  82. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Ummmmmm —- Granny?? WHAT exactly did I back up??? Reading problems again, eh???

  83. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Where did ya go Capn’A?

  84. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Ummmm CapN??? I knew some of Limbaugh’s family members when I had a parish in Southeast MO…. I never heard of any sisters… Did meet David once at a potluck dinner, though…. strange dude….

  85. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Actually Chass I couldn’t figure out what you were saying. It made absolutely no sense so I was giving you the benefit of a doubt. My mistake. Should have known it was just one of your stupid period posts.

  86. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Chass you should write a book about all of the ‘rich and famous’ people you almost know.

  87. Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Granny…. I was very plain as to what I was saying…. Like I said, reading problems again, eh??? Observe again, “observer” Make sure your glasses are adjusted this time:

    Chas
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
    Ummmm ANTI??? The article is FIVE years old??? Good point ANTI… unless the kid was taking some kind of accelerated class… the kind that ARE offered at SE MO State… But, that is a bet of a stretch….
    ============================================

    In reality, I was backing up ANTI, on making a good point…. Can you see that, Granny??? Or do I need to make it in BOLD print for you to see???

    Now, STOP LYING!!!!

  88. Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Granny, due to the nature of what I do, I tend to move around quite a bit…. Sorry if that is a problem for you…. It is just a fact of life for me…. I would never recommend it for just anybody…. The moving part gets harder the older I get…

  89. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    What’s next Capn’A?

  90. Regular
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    City Council Set to Adopt 2009-10 Budget

    Date: August 11, 2008
    Contact: Communications Team
    Phone: (316) 268-4351

    Final public budget hearing is scheduled for Tuesday’s Council meeting

    The Wichita City Council is scheduled to approve the 2009-2010 Budget during Tuesday’s Council meeting, which begins at 9 a.m. at City Hall, 455 N. Main. The meeting represents the final public hearing on the 2009-2010 Budget.

    Budget highlights include:

    *

    No increase in the property tax mill levy rate for the 15th consecutive year;
    *

    $23 million in cash reserves (a more than 10 percent balance in the City’s General Fund);
    *

    $16.2 million for maintaining and repairing city streets, buildings and facilities;
    *

    Adding the remaining 14 firefighters of the 31 authorized for three new fire stations approved in 2007 and 2008;
    *

    Water and sewer rate increases to ensure Wichita’s long-term water supply and economic health;
    *

    And increasing expenditures on vehicle operations due to rising fuel costs, which will be controlled through the purchase of smaller vehicles, better management of fuel usage, a reduction in take-home vehicles and other measures.

    More than a dozen public budget presentations have been made under the direction of former interim City Manager Ed Flentje, interim City Manager Scott Moore and Finance Director Kelly Carpenter. To view the information related to the Proposed Budget, go to http://www.wichita.gov or watch a televised budget hearing on cable channel 7.

  91. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    It turns out Obama is gay!

    http://capnamericaisadope.com

  92. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    You know Fleet that is the second time I have heard this so I guess it must be true. I think there is a video of his escapedes out on the internet somewhere.

  93. LLTVET
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    John McCain is a communist. Now will someone repeat it. This way Observer will think it is true. Then I can win the soda bet here at the office.

  94. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    John McCain is a communist. At least now you’ll vote for him.

  95. Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    More Bushonomics:

    Budget deficit soars to $102.8 billion in July
    Deficit is nearly triple that of July 2007.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The government says the federal budget deficit soared in July, pushed higher by economic stimulus payments and $15 billion in outlays to protect depositors at failed banks.

    The Treasury Department reported Tuesday that the deficit for July totaled $102.8 billion, nearly triple the $36.4 billion deficit recorded in July 2007.

    The deficit beats the $97 billion gap that Wall Street economists had been expecting for July.

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/federal_budget.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008081214

  96. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    I doubt that okobserver would believe it, but the Capn’ sure would!

  97. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    “The deficit beats the $97 billion gap that Wall Street economists had been expecting for July.”

    Have the official predictors ever predicted anything correctly? They are like weathermen.
    Wrong a lot, still keeps their jobs.

  98. Phantom
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Unfortunate, appeals court rules cheney et. al. were acting in the capacity of their job and can’t be held civilly liable for outing Plame.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080812/pl_nm/usa_cheney_plame_dc_2

  99. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    “…appeals court rules cheney et. al. were acting in the capacity of their job and can’t be held civilly liable for outing Plame…”

    The right thinking Americans have been trying to tell you people this all along.

  100. fleettwood
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    A new McCain ad??

    Roll tape:

    Even Clinton’s advisor agrees!

    “”I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values,” Mark Penn wrote in a March 2007 memo to Clinton.”

  101. Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    So, treason is OK as long as it is ‘acting in the capacity of their job’

  102. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Ok I’ve got it – Obama and Rush are gay. McCain is a communists. I’ll start spreading this. Thanks Vet.

  103. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Ben I missed that one. Who committed treason? I have my mass email ready with the other ‘facts’. I’ll just add this one.

  104. okobserver
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Wouldn’t you know it just as it was getting good company comes in. Catch you later for the updates.

  105. Raptor
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Really sad that capn would spend so much time ‘researching Limbaugh’ only to get it wrong. Why research him at all? Rush is a joke to almost everyone I know…is there an added value of pointing out the obvious, that he is a joke?

  106. Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    okob – outing a CIA operative

  107. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
    Really sad that capn would spend so much time ‘researching Limbaugh’ only to get it wrong. Why research him at all?
    ——-
    Because people like Capn’A are scared of Limbaugh, so they wish to discredit him.

  108. Regular
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    #
    bth
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    So, treason is OK as long as it is ‘acting in the capacity of their job’
    —————————
    Only if it’s your typical whining “I’m a victim” Lib like Plame was.

    Oh, it wasn’t treason. Plame left more clues and notices to EVERYONE about her employment as a CIA employee than Ringling Brothers advertised for their circus.

  109. ANTI
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    operative or desk jockey?

  110. Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Hank claims:
    “God created a lizard with the ability to adapt to a new environment and scientists desperately seeking new grant money call it evolution!
    nitwit”

    Could you point me to a scientific study that supports your claim? Unlike you I don’t make baseless claims, I back them up with scientific evidence. If this “nitwit” can do it then you could do better. So far all I’ve heard from the anti-science crowd is whining.

    Scientists recently created the Bohr Atom and are working on creating an early version of the cell. I’ll be absolutely amazed to hear the methodology used to create this new lizard.

  111. Phantom
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if they could sue the fed. govt. for the actions of their employees? Or, are they immune from civil suits also?

  112. parkay
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Pro-abortion Democrats in the U.S. Senate continue blocking the appointment of Richard Honaker to the federal judicial bench in Wyoming, because he has failed their abortion litmus test, since he has voted for pro-life legislation in the past. Senate Democrats have not allowed a vote in committee or on the Senate floor on Honaker for 17 months. They are also attempting to block a recess appointment.
    Abortion mill profits go a long way in buying racist U.S. Senators.
    - – -

    Planned Parenthood is on the verge of moving its Columbia-Willamette’s abortion mill from southeast Portland, OR, in an area of 1% black population, to the King neighborhood, in an area of 43% black population, working toward their goal of reducing the black population through abortion, by targeting black neighborhoods.
    - – -

    Touting free and low-cost contraceptives as a means to reduce the number of abortions is an outright lie. New York currently offers free and low-cost contraceptives at 59 publicly funded programs at 218 places in New York state, where abortion is used primarily as birth control, and the rate is 3 times higher than the national average. 72 New York pregnancies end in death by abortion for every 100 live births.
    Only cutting taxpayer funding and enforcing parental notification and consent for minor abortions, and prosecuting abortion mill crimes, have been effective in reducing the number of abortions.

  113. DavidB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    LOL… I love the new anti-abortion lies… that abortion services is a racist plot. It won’t work, honey. No matter how often it is parroted by non-attributed cut and pastes from propaganda sites.

    Go give N. Troy some more money.. he wants to add another piece of real estate to his portfolio… that’ll make you fell better…

  114. Phantom
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Another injustice!
    What a double talking ahole Mukasey is. On the one hand it was not illegal for them to fire the a.g.’s the way they did. On the other hand, it might possibly be illegal to fire those that shouldn’t have been hired!
    They make a mockery out of the Justice Dept.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080812/pl_nm/usa_justice_probe_dc_1

  115. DavidB
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    … Guttmacher Institute research shows that the abortion decisions of many women (of all races) are influenced primarily by their desire to be good parents. Too many women today are stretched so thin that they feel unable to take care of their existing children, not to mention an additional child.

    Clearly, policies that support working parents, especially at the lower end of the income spectrum, are needed. Let’s make good on our pro-family rhetoric by supporting paid sick leave for more parents, as well as subsidized child care and affordable health insurance.

    My challenge to antiabortion activists is to stop throwing around inflammatory terms like genocide and instead channel their considerable energies and resources into supporting policies that reduce the need for abortion.

    Let’s get serious about helping women and their families, including women in the African American community.

    http://www.guttmacher.org/media/resources/2008/08/10/Gilliam_op-ed.pdf

  116. Raptor
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    capn admits he “researches” Limbaugh. that is pathetic.

    some of us have lives…capn researches a wacko. pretty sad….

  117. Phantom
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Mccain must’ve been a wuss, cracking after 4 days.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080812/ts_nm/usa_pakistan_qaeda_dc_2

  118. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/08/12/tomo/

  119. JosephU
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    In regard to the abortion/pro-life issue:

    What is an abortion?
    When is a baby alive?
    Look for yourself and see:
    http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/abortion_general.htm

    What would God have us do?
    One answer is found in the Bible:

    Deuteronomy 30:19
    … choose life,
    so that you and your children may live
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy30:19;&version=31;

  120. Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    RE: Limbaugh on welfare

    Apparently, the evidence for this comes from books like “The Unauthorized Biography” and Franken’s “Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot and Other Observations.”

    So, I can’t easily find on-line links to that information.

    I distinctly remember reading a passage in which Limbaugh defended his actions by saying that it was the only way he could save his house.

    Many on-line links however do point out that he failed out of college–he even failed a speech class–and never graduated, that he got a military deferrment for a very minor genetic cyst on his butt (I kid you not) even though he was gung-ho for the war and otherwise draftable, and he was fired repeatedly from disc jockey jobs and was chronically broke.

    As for the link alleging his “gay adventure,” I have no idea if it be true or not. It would explain all the unhappy marriages and no kids.

  121. Political_mama
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    taking away their choice, in other words, has resulted in fewer abortions….legal ones that you know about. But keep on touting those abuse, murder, and suicide figures Parkay. You always make your point loud and clear that is what you would prefer.

    Joseph, that’s quite a disturbing interpretation of that scripture, but that’s ok we know you antis never tell the truth.

    And yes, a pregnancy changes every CELL in a woman’s body, so it IS part of her body. No matter how much you wish it were not so, it is. It cannot grow and develop without affecting her.

  122. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 12, 2008 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Parkay advocates illegal abortions.

  123. Posted August 13, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Good night; Good luck; God Bless —-
    Whatever you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    Even to those who think God is a rabbit!!

    So mote it be!!

  124. FilmFan
    Posted August 13, 2008 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    “Only cutting taxpayer funding and enforcing parental notification and consent for minor abortions, and prosecuting abortion mill crimes, have been effective in reducing the number of abortions.”

    Let’s see – how in the hellola did I become pregnant anyway……I probably shouldn’t even remember something so insipid…..but somehow, I believe I know how it happened.

    Why, yes! I DO remember! Unprotected, unappreciated, mindless, maladroit micro-sex! THAT’S how it happened! Not only that – but my family physician agreed with me!

    And it was the gosh-dangest thang: When I no longer indulged in this silliness, I never became pregnant again!

    Gee, I wish I could blame Planned Parenthood, Obama, the 1973 Supremes, cretinous creationism, et. al. and so forth, for my own idiocy. I’d probably be a whole lot happier!

    Um, I think you forgot about abstinence, Parkay. It takes two to tiptoe through the plundered tulips. Can’t blame Planned Parenthood for that s–t.

  125. Raptor
    Posted August 13, 2008 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    man, capn…you are really obsessed with Rush, aren’t you? Why? Rush is as much of an extremist as you are..you both are blinded to facts, you both make grandiose statements without any validity, and you both spew forth hatred of anyone who doesn’t share your extremist views.

    Only difference being, he has a radio show and all you have is this blog.

  126. Regular
    Posted August 13, 2008 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    So Mote it Be is an archaic phrase meaning “So must it be.” It originated in the rituals of Freemasonry, and is common today in Wiccan and Ceremonial magick Rituals.

    Fits Chas to a tee, that he would use a phrase tied to mysticism and conspiracy.

  127. Posted August 13, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Also an older form of —- wait for it….

    AMEN!!! LOL LOL

  128. Posted August 17, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Like the world renown Akhenaton said – “Put a bridle on thy tongue; set a guard before thy lips, lest the words of thine own mouth destroy thy peace…On much speaking cometh repentance, but in silence is safety.” – thank u for sharing this text.