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Once again, more scientific evidence supporting the fact of evolution. I’ll post scientific evidence for creationism once something becomes available (don’t hold your breath).
Semen Proteomics Sheds some Light on Loyalty and Evolution
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/semen-proteomic.html
Most people would be appalled to find a fly in their soup, but Drosophila researchers at the University of Washington are studying the soup in their flies.
In the 1960’s researchers noticed that female fruit flies would refuse to mate once they had come into contact with seminal fluid. That observation has tremendously important evolutionary implications. If a male fly can keep his girlfriends loyal by ejaculating in them, he will ensure that his genes are passed on to the next generation.
For years, biologists wondered about the substance that could so profoundly affect the behavior of females.
“The ’sex peptide’ that was responsible for this effect was identified in 1988,” explained Tracey Chapman in a primer for PLoS biology. “There then followed first a trickle and then an ever increasing stream of identifications of the non-sperm seminal fluid proteins.”
In a separate PLoS Biology paper Geoffrey Findlay and his team used some clever proteomics tricks to discover sixty-three proteins from fruit fly semen. They fed the female fruit flies with yeast that contained lots of heavy nitrogen. That isotope labeled all of the female proteins.
When the researchers smooshed up the semen-filled reproductive organs of a female fruit fly and fed them into a mass spectrometer, they could easily tell which proteins came from the male, because none of them contained heavy nitrogen.
Findlay and his colleagues wrote, “Our results demonstrate an experimental method to identify transferred proteins in any system that is amenable to isotopic labeling, and they underscore the power of combining proteomic and evolutionary analyses to shed light on the complex process of Drosophila reproduction.”
I wonder if Hank Price will “need to kill someone” with his concealed weapon today.
Best wishes to you Hank! Another day without a kill would be a good day for Wichita.
Maggotpunk, do you even read the articles that you copy and paste? Just because scientist have discovered how reproduction in the fruit flies work after they have conducted experiments doesn’t prove that God did not create life. In fact, it may just prove that man with his small mind, compared to God, is finally figuring out how some things work. Let it go! You can argue all you want, but you still haven’t proved anything.
If you are merely arguing evolution as how life formed, you still don’t disprove that God created it. And if you were true to what Darwin said about evolution, you would be arguing the fact that man evolved from apes. But if you really knew your history about Darwin, who is the father of evolution, you would realize that he actually wrote that he was wrong in a lot of things.
Now that science has improved, there are a lot of things that Darwin stated that can be disproved. However, you dems and the Board of Education still try to teach his theories of evolution as fact. Now who are the ones that are forcing their religious beliefs down our children’s throats. Evolution is only a theory that was disproved by it’s creator Darwin and being disproved today. Just look at DNA and the complexities in that alone. Things that are complex do not happen by chance, they are created by intelligent beings. In the case of life, including yours, it was God.
Any proof that “God” created all life? I’d say there is much more evidence of evolution (natural selection) than any evidence that there is some creator somewere who, in the likeness of man..God forbid, (pun intended) controls all things.
Faith and science are two entirely separate things. You can try to mix it up if you want…but it has no bearing on pure scientific theories and facts.
Maggot a good article about fruit fly reproduction. I must have missed the link to how they evolved from another species. Still looking for that link. Science still hasn’t crossed that bridge. When you find the evidence to support that then you have scored a winner. Until then, well……
Mary what you say it true to a point. But there is no evidence that evolution and not survival of the fittest has accounted for the changes in man and beast.
Evolution is a theory that is unproven. Creation is a belief by faith in a Creator. Neither are proven but to each his own I say.
OK: Are ducks and geese different species? Are Lions and Tigers? How about burros and horses? Coyotes and dogs, housecats and bobcats?
To each his own, but don’t try to replace science with religion…it’s two separate things.
If you want to see evolution in progress, just look in the ocean: fish with wings that actually fly out of water, fish with legs that don’t swim but walk around on the coral, fish that can live outside of water for hours. It’s an amazing place to see such a variety of life that is everchanging.
They wouldn’t look if they were there, Mary. They’re afraid.
“survival of the fittest” is natural selection. The ability to adapt to the environment is what evolution is all about.
Hey, George, Russia just called and they want their old empire back. But, do enjoy the Games!
The world perceives us (and rightly so) as tied down in Iraq. They know bush can’t focus on more than one thing at a time, and does a poor job with that thing.
Things that are complex do not happen by chance, they are created by intelligent beings. In the case of life, including yours, it was God.
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That statement — in itself — is a pure statement of FAITH… Because nobody can prove that it was God…
THAT is why FAITH and SCIENCE cannot be compared…. Both have their place… just not mixed together….
Chas,
Did God create man or did we evolve?
Job-Killing-John Mccain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYLZ9NUMRNA
If the dems. publicize his record, is that the same as ‘going negative’?
SOL — YEP!! :-)
Phantom — good link Thanks ——
Found this on you tube also —– McCains giveaways to EADS and his lobbyist campaign managers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMTIaCe5Zc&NR=1
A ‘YEP’ answer to an either/or question?
YEP
So are you saying that God created man and we evolved? Answering ‘YEP’ to an either/or question is rather 3rd gradish isn’t it?
“SolDevVB” looks like a dog with an ice cream headache, batting his head with his paw –
“A ‘YEP’ answer to an either/or question?”
Here’s a clue:
It’s not an “either/or guestion.”
Did God create man or did we evolve?
I highlighted it for you monkey.
Monkey today, capn friday… boy chas sure does need a lot of help answering questions.
You’re too short, “SolDevVB” –
…built too close to the ground.
Everything goes over your head.
Sol. You and I see eye to eye on many things. I am not going to insult you. But in my view, to ask an either/or question regarding the origin of the human race is a false dilema. There can be other alternatives.
There can be other alternatives.
OK chas, how did man come to roam the earth? Better for everyone?
The debate here seems to be evolution v creationism. Guess I missed a memo.
Creation…. Evolutiion…. I have no problem with either one…. And, Sol, it is NOT an either/or question….
Sol you asked a question to which the left have no answer. When asked for specifics they can’t come up with anything concrete so ‘yep’ is as good as you will get.
Mary I do think that species adapt to their environment. Hence when a new species evolves or comes into being we see wings and additional feet. I saw a picture last week of the worlds smallest snake. It fit on the top of a quarter.
Is this a new species or merely one not discovered by man before?
To each his own.
Evolution is a belief as is Christianity. You cannot call evolution science. Science is its own. What you believe is how you perceive that science.
As for evolution, if it is truly survival of the fittest, how do you explain people born with birth defects or mental disabilities. You would think if life has had billions of years to evolve such as you evolutions believe, then don’t you think by now we would be a perfect race of humans?
Repeating facts found in science does not prove your theory of evolution anymore than it does my belief in God. Your mistake is calling evolution science. Evolution as I have said before is only a theory and actually proven wrong by its own creator, Darwin.
As for me proving that God exists, I can no longer prove that than you can that we evolved from lower forms of life. That will be something you will find out on your own. But you are a liar when you call evolution science, read carefully…. EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE, IT IS A THEORY.
For further thoughts….
http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/
Chas you might not think creationism and evolution is either or but Sol’s question certainly was. The left keeps trying to make their own facts and it never works.
So I’ll ask chas again, how did man come to roam the earth. What is your opinion?
By “the left” observer. I assume you mean non christians. If that is the case, we have an answer. You just don’t like it because it requires an individual to think too much for themselves.
If you want specifics, then why don’t you time travel back to the time when man was created and find them. The truth is that we are not arrogant enough to think that we have specifics. You are deluded enough to think that you do have specifics.
Now can we stop the insults and discuss this?
Gravity is also a theory…
OK SOL — I would have to assume on his/her own two feet, since Homo Sapiens do not have wings….
China is set to overtake the US next year as the world’s largest producer of manufactured goods, four years earlier than expected, as a result of the rapidly weakening US economy.
The great leap is revealed in forecasts for the Financial Times by Global Insight, a US economics consultancy. According to the estimates, next year China will account for 17 per cent of manufacturing value-added output of $11,783bn and the US will make 16 per cent.
Too afraid to answer a simple question. Pretty sad.
LLT, same question.
SOL — I did answer your question
my opinion, we evolved into what we are.
I’m just gonna sit back and watch the twice-born spew their ignorance for a while.
“SolDevVB’s” little dichotomy — one worthy of a fairly bright 3-year-old — isn’t really too hard to fathom for anyone with a working brain.
LLTVET
Posted August 11, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
my opinion, we evolved into what we are.
That, chas, is an answer. You provided dodges. Care to try again?
Thanx for your honesty LLT.
Under Gw’s steady hand we’re well on our way to becoming the worlds ‘consumer economy’, forget about manufacturing or even service economy!
I am not dodging your question Sol…. I even gave you a link…. I suggest you read it!! And stop with the name calling and labeling….
I even gave you a link
A link to his opinion. Great. So where else do you go to be told how to think. Why don’t you cut&paste your opinion. The page you linked to is somewhat vague.
Why is it so hard for you to put into your own words what your opinion is?
Here is my opinion. God created man.
What is your opinion chas?
Wolfson: Edwards’ Cover-up Cost Clinton the Nomination
Sen. Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic presidential nominee if John Edwards had been caught in his lie about an extramarital affair and forced out of the race last year, insists a top Clinton campaign aide, making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5553013&page=1
SOL — You are asking me to take part in a fallacy…. And I wont do it… To do so, belittles both theology and science…
BTW, that link I provided is anything but vague…. :-|
Your MAIN fallacy is that Evolution is not concerned with Beginnings….
Outlander… interesting thought… unfortunately, we have no way of ever knowing that… why would it concern you?? you dont support any of the democratic candidates anyway!!
Chas,
Did God create Man in His own image?
Actually, I would have rather have seen H. Clinton running than Obama.
At least with Clinton, she’s a known quantity and you know what you get.
With Obama, it changes daily and he has no background.
I can live through a Clinton regime and be quite happy. An regime lead by Obama is going to be a nightmare in inexperience and social experiments.
Chas
Posted August 11, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
Your MAIN fallacy is that Evolution is not concerned with Beginnings….
Can you back that up? That I’ve stated this ‘fallacy’?
Sol —- You are stuck on a broken record…
I see nothing in science to negate the theological… I see nothing in the theological to negate the scientific…
BTW, Darwin said something quite similar, being that he was Unitarian… :-)
That’s easy Sol — You asked a “beginnings” question along side of evolution…. The two dont go together… and never were intended to deal with the same things… THAT is what makes it a fallacy….
Sort of like saying Brett Favre didnt strike out as many batters as Nolan Ryan…
Did God create Man in His own image?
Brett Favre didnt strike out as many batters as Nolan Ryan…
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This is true, he didn’t. :D
Unitarian = unwilling to submit to God, His laws or the teachings of the Bible.
Perhaps so SOL, but mankind has been trying to return the favor ever since.
Sol, are you a fundamentalist now? If so isn’t being divorced a major no no.
Regular, that is simply a wrong depiction of the UU movement… Read William Ellery Channing’s “Baltimore Sermon”
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Chas
Posted August 11, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
Regular, that is simply a wrong depiction of the UU movement… Read William Ellery Channing’s “Baltimore Sermon”
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No thanks. I’ve read enough about Unitarians studying genealogy and reading their sermons to understand what they stand for and against.
It’s the TV Dinner version of Christianity.
And now, I have more to do today, than regurgitate old arguments, ad infinitum…. And besides, Blog readers deserve much better observations to read…
Back later!!
Sol, are you a fundamentalist now?
Believing in God and that God created man makes one a fundimentalist. Great.
To answer your question, no. Do you believe in God Tom?
More proof, if any was needed, that mindless adultery on the part of a public official probably isn’t a groovy thing:
Now John Edwards’ erstwhile paramour is spewing nasty things about the rightful Mrs. Edwards. And she’s looking like a major sleazebucket in the process. Elizabeth Edwards is terminally ill; no matter what little Ms. Jizz Receptacle Du Jour thinks of her, this fact alone makes her look Lewinsky-esque.
And you can’t get much more trailer-park than that……
Several years ago, I fell in love with my married boss. During my initial interview, he declared that he was married to “the love of his life.” Something about his boyish innocence, his obvious sincerity and his manifest dedication to her and their two young children was endearing.
When the thunderbolt hit one sultry afternoon in July 2002 (see “The Godfather” book for more on this phenomenon), I didn’t really suffer. No fool was I; I knew my boss loved his wife. No guttertrash was this chick; I never overtly revealed my feelings. He probably knew; I believe he was flattered; but that was as far as it went.
Moreover, I adored his wife; we exchanged several e-mails over the course of those 18 months. How in the hellola could I have corresponded with her, I ruminated silently, if I had boffed her hubby? Not only that – but his daughter was one of the most beautiful, sweet-natured children I had ever met in my life.
Not to brag, but it’s one of the things I’m proudest of – I’ve never engaged in actual adultery. Although, like many never-married forty-somethings, I’ve known temptation. Who hasn’t?
By February 2003, my infatuation with my boss was over – but a residual fondness remained. And that was very nice indeed. He’s now a busy executive on the West Coast; his former secretary is nestled in her home state, with no regrets, shame or sorrow to sully the surroundings.
Little Miss Videographer should probably start shutting her mouth and/or thighs – and soon. She’s not garnering any respect with this s–t.
No, Not really, could he exist possibly
Alex,
I’ll take proof of God for 200 please
http://godisimaginary.com/i10.htm
Have you ever thought about the offering plate in church? If God is real, why do they have to pass it? If you read these verses in the Bible, you can see that God claims to be extremely powerful and willing to answer any prayer:
* Matthew 7:7
* Matthew 17:20
* Matthew 21:21
* Mark 11:24
* John 14:12-14
* Matthew 18:19
* Mark 9:23
* Luke 1:37
Now consider this: Why don’t the ministers and deacons of the church gather together every Sunday morning and pray to Jesus for the money they need? Why doesn’t Jesus answer their prayers? Why do churches have to beg for money from mere mortals when there is an immortal, all-powerful God who should provide anything they ask for? Here is what “God” is saying:
Pray to me for anything and I will hear and answer your prayers. I say it in dozens of places in the Bible, but I like the way I say it in Mark 11:24 the best: “Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.” Anything you need — money, love, happiness, you name it — I am here to provide it for you.
Now, there is just one thing I need in return. I need your money. I need lots of your money. The Bible specifies that you tithe ten percent of your income to me, but think of that as a starting point. Feel free to give more!
Because even though I created the universe and everything in it, and even though I will give you everything you ask for in prayer, I can’t give a cent to any church, ever. When they pass the offering plate at church, be sure to give generously!
This, of course, is ridiculous.
The reason why they pass the offering plate at church is because God is imaginary.
W T F ?????
No Tiahrt Amendment Topic Today ??????????????????????
Can we PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZEEAH get a permanent Tiahrt Amendment Bashing Topic on this blog?
Editors? Brownlee? Brady & Co need all the help they can get to ban guns, and Brownlee, you are letting Sara Brady down, big time!
(Note to self: Save the 8/10/2008 Version 7.0 of Tiahrt Amendment Bashing by Brownlee. When Brownlee reprints the same lies, the same responses are required.)
Scientists say they’re closer to invisibility material
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/08/11/invisibility.cloak.ap/index.html
Yeah but is it carbon neutral?
Hey Sol, throw that cloak over Al Gore and global warming will disapear!
Good thing Edwards didn’t fess up earlier, I wouldn’t want to hear about how an affair ruined one clinton presidency and made possible another for 8 yrs.!
annie, that’s really funny. Reminds me of oral roberts saying that if the faithful didnt pony up, god was gonna kill him.
Who knew god was a terrorist holding oral hostage if the ransom wasnt paid?
I keep thinking of the magazine that had the cover with the pic of a gunman holding a gun to a dog’s head and the headline saying….
“Buy this magazine or we’re gonna shoot the dog”!
Who knew islamic terrorists got their tactics straight from the christian sky god?
“Not to brag, but it’s one of the things I’m proudest of – I’ve never engaged in actual adultery.”
Careful FF, the cons here will say you are too repulsive for anyone to cheat with you.
Not that I believe it, of course, but hey, it’s what they say when you point out that not everyone cheats.
Well, I hope they don’t say I’m repulsive, Grrl, ’cause that would, like, really, really hurt my feelings. And I’m a very, very sensitive girl.
Every day when I arrive at work, one or more young men less than half my age greet me thusly: “Good morning, beautiful lady.”
Yeah, I’m repulsive as all git-OUT. Um-hm.
Sheesh – the face is the only bodily entity that’s not putrifying, wrinkling, contorting, and convulsing in the face of old age.
Please be nice, Cons. I wouldn’t say that all conservatives are repulsive. I’d probably like to say it.
But I can’t say it.
I see Randy’s baited the R’s with an editorial on drilling offshore today. Looks like they’re starting to bite, too.
Well FF, just be glad boxlicker doesnt come after you.
When I said this:
“I’ve never cheated on a spouse or significant other in my life. Nor will I ever. A little matter of personal integrity to me.”
This was his/her reply to me:
“Or…that others find you so reprehensible that they wouldn’t let you get close to them.”
Just be glad you are not gay. Otherwise, he’d be saying shit like that to you too!
Even if I were a Con, I wouldn’t say something like that to you. If you’ve had honorable relationships, that deserves as much respect as honorable hetero relationships, in my opinion.
It’s the cast of “Queer as Folk” (not necessarily the cast of “Will and Grace”) to whom I would confer disdain. (One of the dudes from QAF stated that rampant promiscuity with multiple partners, callous disregard for the feelings of others, and promiscuous drug usage are all common factors of the gay lifestyle.) It’s people such as this – both straight and gay – who incur my disapproval.
Honorable gay individuals should not incur hatred – while my overfed, overdrugged, and
overf-cked impregnator escapes this cruelty. That makes no sense to me.
Then again, he was so minuscule that he may as well have been a woman. Maybe I’m a lesbian and I don’t even know it……….
Alex,
I’ll take proof of God Yaweh Elohim for 300 please,
http://godisimaginary.com/i19.htm
Proof #19 – Notice that you ignore Jesus
Jesus made a number of very clear statements about money and wealth in the Bible. For example:
Matthew 6:19
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Luke 14:33
Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Money.
Matthew 19:21-24
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 19:28-29
Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Luke 9:23-25
Then he said to them all: “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?
Matt 13: 22
The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
Hebrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
Phil 2:3
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
Acts 2:44-45
All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
The message is clear. If you want to follow Jesus, you need to “sell your possessions and give to the poor.” It is a very simple message, and easy to do. Have you done it? The fact that you are reading this page would indicate that you have not. Chances are you own a computer, pay for an Internet connection every month, live in a home or apartment, have a car, etc. In other words, you live a life at a level of wealth unimaginable in Jesus’ time. Meanwhile, billions of people on the planet live in startling, abject poverty.
Why don’t you sell everything and follow Jesus, as he requests in the Bible? The reason is simple: Jesus and God are imaginary, and you know it. If Jesus were real, you would do what he says.
What can I say, Annie??? Jesus just wasnt much of a Capitalist!!
Yes chas, but did God create man in His own image?
Thats hard to say, Sol… Have you ever seen God, so as to make a comparison?? :-D
God is real. He does not just give it to you. That was in the days of Adam & Eve in the garden. They blew it for the rest of us. When they sinned against God, they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and made to work and bear children.
God doesn’t need our money. It is for the people. We give money to missionaries who go to other countries. We even send people there to help. You may not know it because the MSM isn’t about to televise it, but we have had youth groups and their leaders go to New Orleans and help rebuild peoples houses.
God is the head. He cared about us so much that he sent his only Son to die for our sins. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The only perfect person you will ever know is Jesus. NO ONE IS PERFECT.
When you accept that fact, that you are a sinner, it is so AWESOME. You are free from guilt and you begin a new life. And no, you are not going to be perfect. Jesus is the vine and the Christians are the branches. When they work together, they help those in need. The money goes to the church just to pay for the bills such as electricity, etc. plus the pastor’s income. The rest is used for missions, in America or abroad.
We have a choice, we have freedom. I guess it kind of comes down to who do you want to give your money to. The churches who are doing God’s work, which is helping those in need or you can give it to the government.
It seems to me that those in our government are getting rich off of the working class. They have millions to spend on their campaigns so you can imagine how many more millions they have. They have big mansions and limousines and jets. Then tell you they want to raise your taxes to help the poor. I think when they say the poor, they really men themselves.
The thing about churches is you want to go to one that is really speaking the word of God. If you attend any church that is changing the word of God just to fit in with the rest of this world, then you may find out that its pastors and staff are no different than the government.
“Hawker Picketer Hit By Car”
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/26831039.html
Hahahahaha… I think any of them standing out in the middle of the road should get hit…
So hard for you to answer such a basic question chas. Are you sure in your faith chas? You don’t seem to be as you avoid the question like the plague.
Chas
Posted August 11, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
Thats hard to say, Sol… Have you ever seen God, so as to make a comparison??
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Chas, you must have the easiest job in the world. You never have to state what you believe, stand up for your beliefs, or display a foundation for your belief system. You answer nothing and guide nothing for pay.
Ohhh good grief…. the Blog Revival is on the air!!! BH — so you are saying you are NOT created in the image of God??? Hey SOL, have fun with that one!!
“God is real”
PROVE IT!
newsletter
Posted August 11, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
“God is real”
PROVE IT!
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You obviously have no children.
chas stands for nothing when challenged. What do you tell your ‘congrigation’ chas? Did God create man?
Charles,
You are guilty of preaching a Christian doctrine and not promoting the belief in a touchable deity. You provide a service to mankind shame on you. From my observation point this is why the wingnuts get their pretty pink panties in such a wad. You understand their language but do not speak the proper code words. If you do not conform you are not a member of the club. Double shame on you.
Yea, I know Annie…. Praise the Lord, Hallelujjah! and all that stuffr!!
SOL — YOU asked me if God made man in his own image…. I said to YOU… Have you seen God so as to make a comparison??? In other words, I ANSWERED your question…. (with a question)….
Your response??? Still another attack!! Real good dialogue there, Sol….
Actually Chas is guilty of telling people to think more for themselves. We can’t have that. If people start thinking for themselves regarding God, then before you know it, we will all be raping and stealing. (sarcasm off)
This is the basic fear of all fundamentalists regarding a clergyman like Chas.
An attack? dodging questions all day…
Chas, did God create man? Why is this such a hard question for you?
chas is guilty of talking out both sides of his neck.
The man who builds his home on shifting ground will be homeless rather quickly.
The willow survives the tempest whereas the oak is broken from it.
SOL — How many damn times do I have to answer your question???
Now you go back to a different question again… which I ALSO answered before…
The problem seems to be that I am not answering the question the way you want it answered…. But I did answer the question…
I grew up around willows….I don’t like them….
SOL — How many damn times do I have to answer your question???
Then do be so kind as to cut&paste your words answering did God create man.
or a simple yes or no will sufice.
Perhaps God created man … but NOT in His image …
Now, why on earth would I want to do that?? You think I am your slave or something?? Huh??
Now, why on earth would I want to do that?? You think I am your slave or something??
Ashamed of your faith and your words. How sad that some might look to you as a spiritual leader. If only they knew the real chas.
SOL — The REAL answer to your question is NOT a yes or now answer… Why?? Simple — None of us was there…. We just dont KNOW…
Thus, it is a matter of FAITH…. Which is what I said a long time ago upthread….
:-D
Oooops now = no
Ahhhh but they DO know me, SOL…. FAITH is not predicated on what can be SEEN…. but rather, on what cannot be SEEN!! Seems to me that you have a real major problem with that “faith” stuff….
Wow, you are quite the little dancer chas. I asked your opinion. Bet there isn’t one evolutionist here that thinks God created man. Bet there isn’t one creationists that believes man evolved from some primative life form.
Most readily expose their belief.
But the local ’spiritual leader’? Not so much.
Thus, it is a matter of FAITH
Then what does your faith tell you chas? did God create man?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0401/slavery.html
1. How did Jesus say a slave should treat his master?
A. Since the Bible contains timeless moral truths, and slavery is clearly immoral, Jesus expressly prohibited His followers from owning other humans as property.
B. A slave should listen to his master’s commands, but is free to reject them when they are unjust.
C. A slave must completely obey and fear his master, even if his master is cruel and unjust.
D. A slave should treat his master as the master treats the slave.
2. What is God’s policy on physical punishment of your slave?
A. None. God would not implicitly endorse slavery by having such a policy.
B. It is necessary because words alone will not overcome a slave’s misconduct.
C. If you blind the slave or knock his (or her) teeth out, you’ll have to let the slave go.
D. B and C.
3. Whom did God tell the Israelites they should turn into their slaves?
A. Only those people who had formerly made the Israelites slaves.
B. The people of other tribes living around them.
C. Those guilty of violent crime.
D. None of the above.
4. What does God say is to happen to a male slave after six years of service?
A. He is free to leave with his wife and children, so long as he was married when enslaved.
B. He is free to depart but has to leave his wife and children with the master if the master introduced him to his wife.
C. If he wants to stay behind with his wife and children, his master must bore a hole in his ear with an aul.
D. All of the above.
5. What does God say should happen to a master who beats his slave to death?
A. Nothing. Because God does not endorse slavery, the Bible does not address this subject.
B. He should be punished just as he would be for killing any other individual.
C. He should avoid all punishment if the slave survives for a couple days after the beating.
D. None of the above.
6. Does God allow you to sell your daughter into slavery?
A. Yes. And the situation is not unbearable for her since, if her master takes her as his wife and she does not please him, he must set her free.
B. Yes. But only step daughters. Blood relatives may not be sold.
C. No. Only strangers may be bought and sold.
D. No. A female child must be cherished and cannot be dealt with so harshly.
7. What punishments does God mandate when an ox gores a free man and when an ox gores a slave?
A. If the ox is a first time offender that kills a free man, the ox, alone, should be stoned.
B. If the ox is a known recidivist and kills a free man, both the ox and his owner should be killed.
C. If the ox kills a slave, the ox’s owner must merely give the slave’s owner 30 shekels of silver (and, to be fair, the ox should be stoned).
D. All of the above.
For the answers to these questions click on the link
annie,
You don’t believe in Jesus or God. Got it.
You are an evolutionist. Got it.
Sol: I respect you on many issues. But you are starting to show slavery to boolean logic.
Is there some reason why you must be able to compartmentalize the beliefs of people? If you were doing a survey and were getting paid for it, I would understand.
I can understand the banter between you and Chas. It’s even a bit amusing, but your answer to Annie just showed your slavery to boolean logic.
Belief in God, and belief in evolution — those two are not necessarily mutually exclusive… Got it???
How is that? I believe that is how she feels. Is it not?
chas,
Nope. You still have not answered the question. Did God create man. Pretty simple, to those who have fiath. Be it in religion and/or science.
VERY educational link there Annie. Thank you.
Boy that’s some God you folks got.
Life is gravy if you’re a male Israelite.
For everybody else, it kinda sucks.
getting paid for it
I think chas uses God for a paycheck. Toes the faith’s line and remains biblical to get his money.
But on here wants to be alligned with his buddies, so he toes their line.
Calling a spade a spade.
You don’t believe in Jesus or God. Got it.
You are an evolutionist. Got it.
Thanks for clearing that up Sol.
If my posts offend you please feel free to skip over them.
Or have me put in a concentration camp or smote me turn me into a pillar of salt or have a whale eat me. Rain on my house for 40 days and nights. Got it.
SOL — Once again you have proven a point that I have made numerous times…. Because YOU disagree with me, therefore, YOU are right and I am wrong….
I got news for you…. YOU sir, are full of el torro poo poo!! BIG time!!
annie posts;
“Why don’t you sell everything and follow Jesus, as he requests in the Bible? The reason is simple: Jesus and God are imaginary, and you know it. If Jesus were real, you would do what he says.”
No annie, you are not that simple. Jesus talked in parables and analogies to get ideas across.
To ’sell all ones possessions and give them away’ literally results in a broke, incompetent individual that is a burden on society and can no longer continue to produce and give.
We were also admonished to care for our families and one doesn’t do that by following what you seem to be advocating.
Paul, a leading disciple of Jesus, tells us that, “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”
Why is a person who doesn’t provide for his family worse than an unbeliever? Because they profess to be Christians, claim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but don’t live their lives in a Godly manner. They fail to represent God’s value system on this earth. They are contradicting His law of love. Rejecting His way of life – which is outgoing concern for others.
Luke chapter 22 verses 35-36 tells another story:
“Then Jesus asked them, ‘When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?’
‘Nothing,’ they answered.
He said to them, ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
When family and Jesus cross, we are to follow Jesus. But God’s plan for our lives also, most frequently, is to care for our families.
SOL — I am theologically FAR beyond these little juvenile religous arguments you keep trying to get me into…. I dont care to go back to kindergarten….
Cf. Hebrews 6:1-3
If you don’t mind Chas. I would like to ask the same question using different semantics:
Do you believe that the existence of mankind is due only to random mutations caused by happenstance?
And what’s more??? I dont really CARE what your opinion has to say about MY theological positions…. They are MINE… I am quite comfortable in my faith… And I am so very sorry you arent comfortable in yours… So uncomfortable, in fact, that you feel this great need to attempt to make MY faith less than yours, simply because you SAY SO….
Sorry buddy, it dont work that way!! Never did…. Never will!!! So sad you are sometimes….
Or have me put in a concentration camp or smote me turn me into a pillar of salt or have a whale eat me. Rain on my house for 40 days and nights. Got it.
I’ll need GPS coordinates for that…
LLT, looks like that nailed it.
Annie,
I’m not your typical fundamentalist Christian. I think Christianity bastardized Christ’s teachings. I think Paul was a political hack. I think Constantine took the local pagan ‘faith’ and married it to the ‘Christian’ faith. I think the bible was bastardized to fit Constantine’s agenda. I don’t support organized religion. Politics and religion don’t mix. When you have a large organization, politics is always present.
I do believe in God. I do believe he created all that we see. I do believe Jesus walked the earth.
I think people did some really stupid stuff in the past and claimed a religious reason. I think people still do it today.
“I got news for you…. YOU sir, are full of el torro poo poo!! BIG time!!”
Oh, I don’t know Chas. I think you are the one full of BS most of the time and Sol is correct.
Because YOU disagree with me, therefore, YOU are right and I am wrong….
How can I possibly disagree with a view of yours that you have yet to share?
LLTVET — On a scientific scale, I cannot say that… The existence of humans does not seem to be based on random happenstance… Rather, upon the right combinations of the elements of the universe, gathered together in a single being…. How that happened?? Who can say for certain??? As a theologian, I say that however it happened… GOD did it…. whether a big bang…. or primordial ooze…. or a bolt of lightning…. As a theologian, I call that Force GOD….
Now, having said that…. Just who am I… a mere mortal human being… to dictate to other humans the METHODS GOD may have used, or not used, in that process….
Chas just for clarification. Gravity is a law not a theory as you said above. Evolution is a theory because it has never been proven and is not reproduceable.
Just for fun Chas next Sunday stand up and tell your congregation that you aren’t sure God created man.
As a theologian, I say that however it happened… GOD did it….
Damn, you finally answered the question. How freakin hard was that chas? DAMN !!!
If you want to use the term “God” whatever. Tomato, Tomatoe. The proverbial rose still smells sweet.
You know, I get sick and tired of constantly being bombarded here with religious junk posts all the time…. There is more to life than religious/theological opinion….
It gets REAL OLD to not be able to post ANYTHING on this Blog, without some Wingnut from somewhere or other, constantly calling my religious perspective into the mix…
Furthermore, that will cease!! On MY end, at least….
Sol,
I really am not sure how to respond to you. If Christianity works for you rock on. As a doctrine I think it’s great. As a political tool I am against it. Which is why I post the things that I do here.
Hebrews 6:1-3 >>>>
1Therefore (A)leaving (B)the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to (C)maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from (D)dead works and of faith toward God,
2of (E)instruction about washings and (F)laying on of hands, and the (G)resurrection of the dead and (H)eternal judgment.
3And this we will do, (I)if God permits.
[New American Standard Bible]
No need to respond Annie. It looked as though you lumped me in with Fundamentalist ‘radicals’. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am open with my beliefs, understand that the beliefs are mine and just wanted to set the record straight.
SOL — I answered your freakin question before…. but it wasnt in the format that you wanted… It still isnt, entirely….
Now, do me and everybody else here a BIG favor…. DROP IT!!!
Chas
Posted August 11, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink
constantly calling my religious perspective into the mix…
Furthermore, that will cease!! On MY end, at least….
Chas
Posted August 11, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink
Hebrews 6:1-3
Freakin CLASSIC !!!!
Yawwwwnnnnn. When did this become the religious blog?
“Boxlock” gives us –
“To ’sell all ones possessions and give them away’ literally results in a broke, incompetent individual that is a burden on society and can no longer continue to produce and give.”
Ah, but that’s what Jesus told you to do:
“Consider the lilies of the field… they neither toil nor spin.”
Jesus figured real Christians would take care of one another.
You, “Boxlock” no longer worship Jesus, but choose to worship Paul’s admonition, “if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”
So who are ya gonna believe? Jesus or Paul?
And just who supported Paul in his ministries? Did he have a trust fund or something to support his travels and letters (postage to the Corinthians must have been a bitch back then)?
The whole concept of communism — to each according to need, from all according to ability — is spelled out in graphic reality by the Apostle Luke in the Acts of the Apostles.
You’re just another cafeteria “christian,” “Boxlock.” You pick and choose whatever snippets of scripture might serve your perceived best interest and have no qualms about turning your back to the red-letter words of your Christ when He suggests something you consider uncomfortable.
So please stop calling yourself a “christian.” You’re a Paul-ite (Pauline?) when it serves your selfishness. You’re Old Testament when you need a crutch for your homophobia. You go literal when it suits you and claim “metaphors and parables” when you have to wring out some sort of rationalization for your prejudice.
MH, that would be Pauline IIRC.
Bet the cons would’ve called jesus a mooch and bum, if he’d came today.
Borghunter whines:
“But if you really knew your history about Darwin, who is the father of evolution, you would realize that he actually wrote that he was wrong in a lot of things.”
Who is talking about Darwin? Darwin’s work was over 150 years ago, I’m referencing studies that come out recently. Perhaps with a religious mindset I might view science the way that you do, that all astronomy started and ended with Galileo, but I’m talking about science, not someone’s biography.
And another thing I never mentioned was a god. You simply proved you can’t deal with the science so you have to resort to some pointless non-sequitur.
BorgHunter ignorantly states:
“Things that are complex do not happen by chance, they are created by intelligent beings. In the case of life, including yours, it was God.”
Naturally complex beings don’t happen by chance. If I believed that I’d be a creationist who postulate, contrary to scientific evidence, that everything just popped into existence from nothing.
Now you claim that all life popped into existence by chance and the thing that did that was your God. For the past couple weeks I’ve been presenting scientific studies that support the irrefutable fact of evolution through natural selection. I’m assuming you have some scientific evidence to support your scientific claim that some magic being named God created everything by chance in an instant?
If you don’t then you made yourself look like a fool by making the claim. I never once mentioned the subject of a god, but since you did I’ll eagerly await your support of, what obviously must be a testable claim.
Obamanation has repeatedly lied to cover up his 2003 opposition in the Illinois Senate to a Born Alive Infants Protection bill identical to the one passed into federal law in 2002. The fawning media, disinterested in the embarrassing truth or in fact-checking anything Obamanation says, assisted in his cover-up, of course.
Obamanation personally killed the Illinois Senate bill, defending his action by saying it lacked an abortion neutrality statement like the federal bill, which in fact had been added, assuring no impact on legal abortions wherein the baby is mangled, dismembered, poisoned, or beheaded before delivery. His motive was, of course, to protect and promote abortion mill profits.
Even without the statement, what does it say about Obamanation’s humanity, when he refused to support a requirement for medical care for babies born alive during botched abortions, because then the living, breathing, squirming, premature infants might be considered HUMAN?
[Personally, I have strong doubts about Obamanation being human, if that requires possession of a conscience.]
See news page
http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html
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A Portland, OR man walking his dogs discovered a newborn girl abandoned in a field Sunday. The girl was taken into protective custody in apparently good health, and police are investigating the suspected mother.
“And another thing I never mentioned was a god.”
I’m a Big Bang Theory guy and am not religious, but I don’t know how the Big Bang could have started without something to get it started.
Phony Argument About The Illinois Bill Presented Above
(The bill was ACTUALLY a Trojan Horse to attack Roe v. Wade, Infants were already protected by law in IL- db)
Obama Said He Would Have Supported Federal Born-Alive Legislation. The Chicago Tribune reported, “Obama said that had he been in the US Senate two years ago, he would have voted for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, even though he voted against a state version of the proposal. … The difference between the state and federal versions, Obama explained, was that the state measure lacked the federal language clarifying that the act would not be used to undermine Roe vs. Wade.” [Chicago Tribune, 10/4/04]
BORN ALIVE PRINCIPLE WAS ALREADY THE LAW IN ILLINOIS
Illinois Law Already Stated That In The Unlikely Case That An Abortion Would Cause A Live Birth, A Doctor Should “Provide Immediate Medical Care For Any Child Born Alive As A Result Of The Abortion.” The Chicago Tribune reported, “‘For more than 20 years, Illinois law has required that when ‘there is a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support,’ an abortion may only be performed if a physician believes ‘it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.’ And in such cases, the law requires that the doctor use the technique ‘most likely to preserve the life and health of the fetus’ and perform the abortion in the presence of ‘a physician other than the physician performing or inducing the abortion who shall take control of and provide immediate medical care for any child born alive as a result of the abortion.’” [Chicago Tribune, 8/17/04]
Illinois Law Stated That A Doctor Must Preserve The Life And Health Of A Fetus If In The Course Of An Abortion, There Is Reasonable Likelihood Of Sustained Survival.
The Illinois Compiled Statutes stated that any physician who intentionally performs an abortion when, in his medical judgment based on the particular facts of the case before him, there is a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support, shall utilize that method of abortion which, of those he knows to be available, is in his medical judgment most likely to preserve the life and health of the fetus. No abortion shall be performed or induced when the fetus is viable unless there is in attendance a physician other than the physician performing or inducing the abortion who shall take control of and provide immediate medical care for any child born alive as a result of the abortion. Subsequent to the abortion, if a child is born alive, the physician required to be in attendance shall exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion. Violation of these statutes constituted a Class 3 felony.
FROM http://polfeeds.com/item/Fact-Check-on-CNN-and-Bennet-s-Inaccurate-Claim-That-IL-Born-Alive-Legislation-Obama-Opposed-Was-the-Same-as-Federal-Legislation-He-Supported
No surprise here. Felons are mostly dems.
“In Alabama, Al Sharpton’s younger brother, the Rev. Kenneth Glasgow, will take his “Prodigal Son” ministry into state prisons with voter-registration cards for the first time. The American Civil Liberties Union recently filed suit there and in Tennessee to make it possible for an even larger class of felons to register. In Ohio, the NAACP will hold a voter-registration day at the Justice Center in downtown Cleveland this month to register “people caught up in the criminal justice system,”
““Obama said that had he been in the US Senate two years ago, he would have voted for the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, even though he voted against a state version of the proposal.”
Classic stuff. He would have voted for it, until he changed his mind. He voted against the “Born-Alive Infants Protection Act”?
How extreme can you get?
Liberal media bias? Sure.
What “recession”?
“By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
41 minutes ago
HARRISBURG, Pa. – In a presidential campaign freighted with war, recession and energy woes, a jibe featuring Paris Hilton, of all things, seems to have struck a nerve in Democrat Barack Obama.”
Fleetie…. Ilinois law already covered what Obama voted against…. In other words, no new law was needed… since it already existed…. Didnt you read what was posted???
“Subsequent to the abortion, if a child is born alive, the physician required to be in attendance shall exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion. Violation of these statutes constituted a Class 3 felony.”
Anyone who is really interested in Obama’s action on this bill should go to:
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html
Just follow the links and see the history the Illinois liberal senate and press have tried to cover up from the nurse who testified.
Chas I looked this up just for you since she posted just for you and I know you have seen this before.
“Subsequent to the abortion, if a child is born alive, the physician required to be in attendance shall exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion. Violation of these statutes constituted a Class 3 felony.”
And thus the introduction of the partial birth abortion…solely perfected to prevent “OOPS” abortions in which the baby is alive when expelled from it’s mother’s body. When you crush the skull, there is no chance of that happening.
What a mericiful, compassionate society we have.
So true. It’s better to just rip out a hydrocephalus fetus in order to cause massive tearing and put the woman though intense pain. I’m so glad we have medical decisions determined by armchair doctors, it’s always so much better for the patient.
Maggot what you describe isn’t even medically supported by physicians who have testified. You really should leave those kind of comments to women who have given birth unless I missed something when looking at your picture.
I don’t know of any situation that call for “ripping” a fetus from a woman’s body. Your drama is lost on me.
“Dr. William F. Harrison, a diplomate of the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2 He wrote that “approximately 1 in 2000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus while in the womb.” About 5,000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus each year in the U.S. This is not usually discovered until late in the second trimester. A fetus with severe hydrocephalus is alive, but cannot live for long; it will never achieve consciousness.”
There’s a doctor’s position which means more than armchair doctor bloggers any day. Well here you have the antis demanding that the patient go through unnecessary pain an injury. Well, the woman is just property and worth only 3/5 the value of a man so I guess, in the Christian moral view, it’s a moot subject.
An article on the utopia of a nation without access to abortion, contraception, or sex education.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2008/01/2008525184720566515.html
Naturally the Republicans would make sure the orphanages aren’t funded either and let the “free market” take over rather than socialized child care.
Sure you despicable Maggot, lets just kill all those innocent children for our own convenience.
I mean after all, it’s the easiest way for us…right?
Their lives don’t matter, they can’t object let alone vote, it’s what pleases us and makes our life most convenient and selfish that’s important … right?
They are nothing but disposable pieces of protoplasm…WE are everything.
Sarcasm now off!
You are truly a maggot!
Just for you OKOB >>>>
“Subsequent to the abortion, if a child is born alive, the physician required to be in attendance shall exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion. Violation of these statutes constituted a Class 3 felony.”
That was already Illinois Law BEFORE the Bill that Obama voted against was introduced… Thus, the bill he voted against was not necessary!!
Boxlock — You and others here will NEVER come to ANY kind of agreement on Abortion…
However, the fact remains… Abortion is Legal… And I hve never yet seen anybody out right encouraging anybody to have an abortion, unless they CHOOSE to have one…
Seems to me it might just be best to not constantly feud over the situation…
Sort of like —- We all know what the choices are…. And since nobody’s mind will be changed by anything said here, might be best to just move on….
Chas you saw what Mary said about partial birth abortion, the abortionists way around a live birth. Kill them in the birth canal.
My link proved that Obama without a doubt would not give personhood to a live birth baby. The proof is there.
Maggot a live birth is easier on a woman than an abortion. A severely deformed or handicapped baby is expelled via a miscarriage in most instances. This is natures way of righting things.
You are such a slime ball. No baby in a live birth is ripped from a womans body – what an idiot.
If you haven’t seen it yet, interesting article about cloaking 3d objects.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_sc/sci_invisibility_cloak
“Sort of like —- We all know what the choices are…. And since nobody’s mind will be changed by anything said here, might be best to just move on….”
No Chas, when I see ‘wrong’, at least as clearly as I can discern that, I will continue to speak out against it. I for one can’t live with myself to do otherwise. Speaking out against wrong actions is both a right and a duty.
“okobserver” lies –
“… a live birth is easier on a woman than an abortion.”
No.
More women die in childbirth than from complications resulting from legal abortion.
You advocate illegal abortions.
Sol and Fleetwood, you know Chas is just a phony pastor. Why do you taunt him so?
And Chas,
Speaking out against wrong actions is both a right and a duty….even if it cause ridicule, pain and some hardship to those that do.
Boxlock — Please explain why it is perfectly OK for YOU to rant against LAWS that are LEGAL, that you believe to be just wrong…. But when others do the same thing with las you think are RIGHT… Then those others are just WRONG…
Seems you like to have your cake and eat it too…
As a former member of the “pro life” crowd, I can tell you definitively that partial birth abortion is a desperation tactic from that crowd.
Maybe I need to re-tell my own personal experience sometime. I haven’t done that in awhile.
Partial birth abortion is EXTREMELY rare.
Monkeyhawk
Posted August 11, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
“okobserver” lies –
“… a live birth is easier on a woman than an abortion.”
No.
More women die in childbirth than from complications resulting from legal abortion.
You advocate illegal abortions.
———————
MH you throw around that liar tag so easily even when you are in the midst of a stupid statement.
Just for you – How many live births in the US annually and how many abortions? Does it stand to reason that they would be more deaths from childbirth and it would still be a small percentage of live births.
You and maggot have had so many babies that were ‘ripped’ from you and you still can’t get it right.
BJ loves partial birth abortions.
Can’t get enough of em.
Some folks are in to blood and guts, and frantic silent screams, spasms after the birth, the baby twitches in pain until dead.
Extremely rare, huh? Then no harm in banning them.
Heck, we should ban childbirth, to save the lives of all those women killed during labor!
Great idea, Monkeybrain!
BJ another expert on abortions expecially partial birth ones. Those in the industry said they were frequently performed until the US senate made them illegal. Watch this if Obama gets in.
You are always telling men who talk against abortion to not have one why do you – a man – get to defend them. How many have you had?
Max… Does your constant HATE hurt you??? Is that what drives your HATE LEVEL???
OR, Do you actually get a thrill from your HATE?? I would be most interesting to know that….
Either way, I gotta say, it is most baffling!! And maybe more importantly, WHY DO YOU HATE SO MUCH??? HATE is something that is learned, and cultivated… It isnt natural to humans…. It must be worked at, to achieve the high levels you exhibit here on the Blog….
I AM JUST STYMIED AS TO WHY???
Boxlock, just because Slavery was legal 150 years ago, doesn’t mean it was right.
Not all laws are lawful, just look at History! Guys like Chas would have supported Slavery in 1850, or Concentration Camps in the 1940’s.
Heil Chas!
Oh well… I really dont expect an answer…
Good night; Good luck; God Bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Blessings on the XXIX Olympiad!!
So mote it be!!
Hate?
Not from me Chas.
Disgust at those like you who proclaim to be Preachers of God’s word, and exhibit the most profaie and infantile behavior, yes.
You are one sick and sorry excuse for a human being. Hate? No. I feel sorry for you, and for those who had hoped to learn about Christ from you.
What an example YOU are.
Why Chas?
Why do you claim to be a Preacher of God, and yet you don’t acknowledge that there is one true God and that Christ is the only way to salvation?
“Whatever you conceive God to be.”
If I think God is a rabbit, then God is a rabbit.
Great teachings from a “Christian” Pastor.
“BJ another expert on abortions expecially partial birth ones.”
Not an expert.
Have YOU ever talked to someone who sought one?
I have.
After I hounded and otherwise stalked them.
No JR. I never stalked anyone.
That’s YOUR special talent.
How about a thread on this?
A new book by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ron Suskind claims that, after the Iraq war began, the White House ordered the CIA to forge a “backdated, handwritten letter” from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to tie Hussein to the 9/11 attacks.
Here’s what Suskind reports:
* Saddam Hussein’s intelligence chief, Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, told U.S. and British officials there was no WMD in Iraq, “intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion.”
* In the fall of 2003, the White House ordered CIA Director George Tenet to forge a “fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001,” Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq” and that Iraq bought yellowcake uranium from Niger with the help of al Qaeda.
* The letter was commissioned “from the highest reaches of the White House.” “It would have to come from the very top,” Suskind told NPR today.
RON SUSKIND ON CNN’S THE SITUATION ROOM: Well, the way it’s framed legally, Wolf, is that the CIA’s charter says you cannot run disinformation campaigns on the American public. It’s an amendment in 1991. It’s in the statute. So that if, ultimately, in Congressional hearings and whatnot, as they go forward — and there’s talk of that in Congress now — if they’re able to show that the White House directed the CIA — as I show in the book with lots of testimony — that the CIA was directed by the White House to do this disinformation campaign on this letter, there will be issues of legality that will be debated in terms of high crimes.
After the fake letter was released in late 2003, press outlets reported it as evidence of a Saddam/al Qaeda link. “Now, if this is true, that blows the lid off al Qaeda-Saddam,” said Bill O’Reilly at the time.
Yes BJ I have actually talked to a good friend both before and after she had her second abortion. I now help her deal with the guilt she feels about it. She realized it was an easy way to get herself out of a problem that she had gotten herself into.
So yes BJ all the way around. And I never or otherwise stalked anyone as you seem to have done. The many faces of Bj.
“Some folks are in to blood and guts, and frantic silent screams, spasms after the birth, the baby twitches in pain until dead.
Extremely rare, huh? Then no harm in banning them.”
I live in Wichita Kansas Max.
I was at the “Summer of Mercy”.
You don’t have any idea what you are talking about. I do.
BTW Chas could you change the name on that post to Max and put in Bluejay. He not only professes hate but says he is teaching his teenage son to hate. He needs your little sermonette not Max.
“Yes BJ I have actually talked to a good friend both before and after she had her second abortion. I now help her deal with the guilt she feels about it.”
Was it a partial birth abortion? As you are here USING as your argument?
Having come from the other side, I can tell you that NO ONE is pro abortion.
But being pro life is not so easy as forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want. I’m a single parent. I know how hard that is. I wouldn’t wish it let alone force it on anyone. The reason I switched sides is because I found that MOST of the “pro life” people didn’t care about babies or their mothers at all.
And I did say most.
Thanks okobserver.
Ya really think Chas can save anyone? I hope he finds a way to save himself, and to stop doing harm to others. Not likely that he can help anyone else.
The same goes for JR. They are both full of hate.
Miracles CAN happen though.
And those women who kill their babies care about their babies.
Being pro-life is not as easy as being pro-death.
Dead babies are simply a problem to dump in the trash. Very easy, when compared to being a parent.
Yup. For sure. Uh huh. You bet. I got it now.
“He not only professes hate but says he is teaching his teenage son to hate. ”
I teach my son to know and better understand people like you ksgrm. And yes I do share my opinion of you and your like with him.
I note that ksgrm was your former nic okobserver.
I did not need to change my nic.
Except for blog changes brought about by your friend Hank Price.
Why did you change YOUR nic?
BlueJay
Posted August 11, 2008 at 11:23 pm | Permalink
But being pro life is not so easy as forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want. I’m a single parent. I know how hard that is. I wouldn’t wish it let alone force it on anyone.
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My God JR, your son is so bad you wouldn’t wish “IT” or force “IT” on anyone?
Must be just like you.
It’s terrible when someone is Punished With A Baby.
“And those women who kill their babies care about their babies.”
And you help them decide otherwise…how Max?
No what is terrible is when someone like you Max wants to use a baby as punishment.
Like I say, I’ve fought both sides of this fight. You can’t surprise me.
Cripes. Can a day go by without (yet another) abortion debate?
No one is going to convince anyone of anything.
Pick something new.
Oh, it’s my responsibility to help women decide to keep their babies? Nope. I don’t help others decide not to murder people.
Personal responsibility BJ, a lesson you will never learn.
And I’m not using a baby for punishment JR. I consider a baby a gift. Have 3 of my own, and never dreamed of having someone ELSE take responsiblity for MY kids.
Have a nice evening. And go tuck IT, I mean your Son, in bed and kiss him good night. He won’t be around home for long. Treasure every evening with IT that you have. They grow up very fast.
I’m convinced Michael Phelps could race a shark and win by two body lengths.
“Oh, it’s my responsibility to help women decide to keep their babies? Nope.”
If you are pro life as you claim? Yes.
“And I’m not using a baby for punishment”
You just said otherwise.
Like I say Max? Been there done that and better acquainted with reality than you and yours there Max.
I think I’ll save the knockout punch for closer to the election.
God is an older product. Do not try to buy the coral low and sell it high. I’m here to share with you the smart ways to trade the coral.