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Once again science prevails, creationism fails. Your dose of the irrefutable fact of evolution.
Complete Neanderthal Mitochondrial Genome Sequenced From 38,000-year-old Bone
ScienceDaily (Aug. 8, 2008) — The complete mitochondrial genome of a 38,000-year-old Neanderthal has been sequenced. The findings open a window into the Neanderthals’ past and helps answer lingering questions about our relationship to them.
“For the first time, we’ve built a sequence from ancient DNA that is essentially without error,” said Richard Green of Max-Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany.
The key is that they sequenced the Neanderthal mitochondria—powerhouses of the cell with their own DNA including 13 protein-coding genes—nearly 35 times over. That impressive coverage allowed them to sort out those differences between the Neanderthal and human genomes resulting from damage to the degraded DNA extracted from ancient bone versus true evolutionary changes.
Although it is well established that Neanderthals are the hominid form most closely related to present-day humans, their exact relationship to us remains uncertain, according to the researchers. The notion that Neanderthals and humans may have “mixed” is still a matter of some controversy.
More at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080807130824.htm
Modern humans do not have Neanderthal ancestors in their family tree, a new DNA study concludes.
The DNA extracted from the ribs of a Neanderthal infant buried in southern Russia 29,000 years ago was found to be too distinct from modern human DNA to be related.
“There wasn’t much, if any mixture, between Neanderthals and modern humans,” said William Goodwin, of the University of Glasgow, UK. “Though they co-existed, we can’t find any evidence of genetic material being passed from Neanderthals to modern humans.”
The new work, published in the journal Nature, contradicts recent evidence from ancient remains of a child found in Portugal, which appeared to combine Neanderthal and human features. Those researchers concluded that some interbreeding must have taken place.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/694467.stm
In this morning’s Wichita EAGLE, an article, “Did city’s decisions get Winters voted out?” In it, long time Eagle reporter, Dion Lefler, tries to erroneously diffuse the opposition to Winters to a myriad of reasons. I’m surprised Leffler didn’t extend the blame to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears somehow.
In my mind, the basic reason was Tom Winters wrong headed support for the overpriced (1/2 billion dollars), poorly located, poorly designed, no parking, white elephant ice hockey arena that has no tenant.
Of course, the Eagle reporter and long time arena supporter, Dion Leffler, apparently believes in the old adage, “From the hard working backs and over charged taxes of the many Wichitans … too the few who desperately need the money whether or not they make any contribution to the good of the taxpayers.” Where have we heard that phraseology in the past?
Now Tim Norton, another downtown arena supporter from Haysville is also up for election in November. He has also been unflinching in his support of the arena … and taking 1/2 billion dollars of sales taxes out of the Wichita economy at the same time as exhorbitant gasoline prices are removing millions of dollars from the Wichita economy.
So Tim Norton also needs to go in November.
In my opinion, construction of the white elephant downtown arena needs to be halted immediately. Surround it with concertina wire to keep out intruders. Then revote whether to proceed or implode after the November election.
Good link Regular (gee, I’m complimenting Regular, that’s odd). I went to a creationist seminar a few years back and the guy giving the lecture (claiming to be a scientist but clearly was an idiot), mentioned Neanderthals were just modern humans with arthritis.
Now I’ve seen people with arthritis. They don’t lose their chins, develop jutted eyebrows, their cranial capacity size doesn’t increase, and their bone density doesn’t increase. Now godless science goes further and looks at the DNA and proves on a genetic level that modern humans aren’t Neanderthals.
As the article I presented mentions:
“It also shows that the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and humans lived about 660,000 years ago, give or take 140,000 years.”
Creationists would believe the Earth is just 10,000 years old. Given that time line Neanderthals would have to be modern humans because there isn’t a period for genetic divergence.
So the existence of Neanderthals disproves creationism.
“Though they co-existed, we can’t find any evidence of genetic material being passed from Neanderthals to modern humans.”
Too bad John Edwards didn’t live at that time.
God created the fossil record to trick man into not believing in His Word as a test of faith. Only the ignorant are admitted to heaven.
“There wasn’t much, if any mixture, between Neanderthals and modern humans,” said William Goodwin, of the University of Glasgow, UK. “Though they co-existed, we can’t find any evidence of genetic material being passed from Neanderthals to modern humans.”
Come on Regular….now I have to strenuously disagree with that statement and you.
We have evidence right before our eyes, living proof in fact, of a direct lineage in both ‘beber’ and the ‘Maggot’ to the Neanderthals.
Good morning ‘boys’.
JWink and Tom Winters are the same. Notice that the JoCo transplants wants to implode the Arena? That’s because, him and his out-of-town buddies had bids to redo the Britt Brown arena and the cost that would exceed the Intrust Arena. Now he is using Winters as a cop out for himself.
Never trust an out-of-towner like JWink to be an inform voter for our local politics. He’s a sales weasel trying to get in on the taxpayer handout hustle. Now he lost Winters, a person who took charge in the renovating the Britt Brown without public vote at the cost of bond payments exceeding $200 million to befall on property owners.
The Intrust Bank Arena saved the taxpayers millions upon millions of dollars, many of which would have lined the pockets of bond investors and people like JWink.
Yes, Box Lock, we both have much larger brains than you do. Not only that, I could snap your spine as easily as you could snap the spine of a rabbit. I’d suck the marrow from your bones, but I don’t like the flavor of Homo flaccidus.
Oh nooooo….beber is flexing his muscles on an anonymous blog.
How cute! Of course it simply proves the low level of his primitive brain function irregardless of it’s size.
And AGAIN notice his use of, and reference to, phallic terminology.
You got’a real problem there BOY!
Some very good exerpts from the blog in this morning’s paper. Maybe readership will increase on these threads.
Go clean your dentures.
I take it back who wants to read tit for tat drivel?
you’ve indulged enough.
Can’t we just get along?
Ah, go ride a whale shark.
None showed up this trip..I guess they pass through later in August..but I did swim with one the last time I was there..a juvenile that was about 45 feet long!
We did see and swim with lots of spinner dolphin, though.
Sorry “ictB”, as usual, you are wrong again. Actually you are confused in most everything you say.
I recall when you and I talked at the Wichita EAGLE blogger meetup, you said you couldn’t get your life started so you might join the Army with your peers. Apparently you still haven’t taken your own advice. I suggest you do it.
As far as my roots in Wichita, I grew up in Wichita farm-to-market community, the “Aspen of the Plains,” Pratt, Kansas. In fact, the Pratt TRIBUNE newspaper last week ran a wonderful, fairly long article I wrote on memories of Pratt in the early 1950’s.
But long before you were born, I recall my dad and I sitting in a little depression era chili and sandwich cafe a block south of present day Wichita city library. We looked at downtown Wichita’s skyline which then looked like New York City’s skyline. And our family would visit Wichita for Christmas shopping and sit at the Duckwall sandwich counter, now the site of a downtown Wichita vest pocket park.
In spring of 1958, while attending K-State’s engineering school, I visited Wichita to talk to various companies about summer jobs. Among others, I visited the Koch company’s building, then across from the Broadview Hotel, where I briefly talked to Fred C. Koch, founder of the Koch companies. I visited Beech airplane company. But I took a job as a student assistant construction superintendent at an Eby Company construction project at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, for a great work experience that summer.
As far as Tom Winters is concerned, I hardly know him. Actually, County Manager Buchanen and his people with some of the county commissioners and their syncophants standing around, intentionally or unintentionally knocked some flyers opposing the downtown arena out of my hands … so I am not personally enamored with these fellows.
Your ramblings seem to confuse me with “Wink” Hartman, restauranteur, oil man and developer of a private sports arena in Park City. I am NOT Wink Hartman although my life-long nickname has also been “Wink.” I do congratulate “Wink” Hartman on building an arena the way one should be built … privately and not with government funds.
So, Joe/ictB, I suggest you go ahead and join the Army to serve with your high school peers. Stop trying to represent the Sedgwick county commissioners and the generally defunct downtown business development organization … I doubt if they appeciate your efforts on their behalf.
As far as I know, JWink, didn’t you just lambasted our men and women in the Military? Didn’t you just make remarks that shown you have complete hatred and disdain for our Military? I seem to recall that. An Air Force buddy of mine read your comment and agreed, but said they still defend pukes like you anyways.
As I seem to recall, you never graduated college and are now a peddling sales man here in Wichita. Roaming the streets trying to sell office supplies.
As I seem to recall, you always remark on how you talk to so and so and such and such. Well, some of them are people I know personally. And when I ask if a JWink talk to them, they say no. Meaning you lie and you lie a lot. Especially about the fact about the meet-up. Because at the Meet-up I didn’t even talk to you.
You were standing around me like a fly on a turd. I was talking to three other people. You mention something about Pratt. I said one sentence about that and never talked to you again.
As I recall, on July 4th 2007, I saw your miserable self at Mid-Continent Airport. With your arms folded and looking absolutely unhealthy and miserable. I waved at you, because I felt sorry for you. But now, thinking about how such a lying pompous, Phil Kline supporting, Karl Rove loving BS artist you are and how you go around trying to make yourself as some important person in Wichita, when you lie about people you talk to or events you attended.
I’m not worried about people like you. I set things straight and fire back at BS artist like you. As I recall, didn’t you mention you were leaving Wichita? Either you were going to go back to California or live in Pratt.
As far as me getting you mixed up with Wink Hartman? HA HA HA. Get real.
You’re such a joke.
Sorry ictB/Joe: you are wrong on everything you just said so let me correct your thinking.
Anybody who knows me, knows I promote and support the U.S. Army since it was good to me during the more than 10 years I in active duty and the Army reserves.
I clearly remember talking to you and other WE bloggers, including MRage, at the EAGLE’s blogger meetup. Wonder what happened to MRage?
That’s right, I almost forgot. I did see you delivering baggage at the airport and to be civil, did wave.
I suggest you sign up for a course in anger management to vent your frustrations.
Ok so who is ictBest?
Obviously someone who is very angry.
I wasnt aware that JWink lives in Wichita??
like..em-raged?
Shouldn’t we be really talking a lot about Russia attacking Georgia?
Did they attack Atlanta yet?? LOL
Looks like Western pundits miscalled the Russian military objectives in Georgia. According to the NYT, Russian forces have pursued Georgian forces out of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, south into areas of Georgia which are undisputed Georgian territory.
Once again, our American dependence on oil has helped finance violent, anti-Western actions. In this case, I think Russia has had its eye on Georgia ever since Georgia took the opportunity provided by the collapse of the USSR to declare its independence. This, of course, brings to the forefront all the ancient geopolitical fracture lines which have made Europe a continent-size blood sponge for the past 2,000 plus years.
For example, can Germany raise an effective army without resorting to a call for ultra-nationalism? Germany’s like a switch: if they’re military is strong then trouble’s afoot, and if there is peace in Europe it means Germany’s military is weak. The current situation with Russia just may test Germany above all.
“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
I was able to get a sense of his soul.
He’s a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that’s the beginning of a very constructive relationship.”
–Augustus Stupidus, BBC 16-June-2001.
Reason # 1,526,239 why the USA cannot afford an incurious or intellectually lazy POTUS. Playing it by the gut just won’t cut it going forward.
Thanks for the incoherent post Pedant.
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KansasNative
Posted August 10, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink
ictBest is Reguliar in just another one of his multinic, morphine patch chewing, Bush asskissing personalities.
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Paranoia much?
“Thanks for the incoherent post Pedant.” — Regular
The irony, the irony.
let me know who you are KansasNative, I would love to give you a Columbian Necktie.
Just having fun KansasNative.
Regular
Posted August 10, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
Thanks for the incoherent post Pedant
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Regular
Posted August 10, 2008 at 5:09 pm | Permalink
‘Puts a ruler to the jawless fish’s post and finds that length doesn’t not correlate with llama saddling or wild cactus mounting.’
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:lol:
Saw the roundtable on This Week discussing the Georgian situation. Amazing: Apparently George Will and his cohorts think the proper response to a serious international situation is blind panic. Will, amazingly, even stated that Russia would invade the Ukraine and was trying to re-establish the Soviet Union!
Uh huh. Right.
The Putin government needs to know that invading one’s neighbors has consequences, but let’s not go to Defcon 2 just yet.
Let me know what beverage you like KansasNative, I can slip some lidocaine in there so you can choke while trying to drink and you won’t notice it until it’s too late.
Just having fun you know.
Did they attack Atlanta yet?? LOL
Last i heard, Russians took Athens and and were still on their way to Atlanta (both the Greeks and REM are pissed!).
http://valleywag.com/5034988/google-news-informs-us-that-the-russians-are-invading-the-south
That region had been under Russian dominance for many decades, and before that, the Turks and the Russians duked it out over the area for centuries. Don’t forget history.
Now that’s too funny, Rage… and I was just cracking a joke!! ROFL!!
Bush probably doesn’t know if it’s the State of Georgia, or the country, so he’s hiding out in China.
Mcbush says, “Maybe now they’ll take that damn falg off of the capitol building!”
Mcbush says, “Maybe now they’ll take that damn flag off of the capitol building!”
I think I smell a set up. Bush meets with Russia’s leaders in the morning, later that day they invad Georgia. Watch Mccain come out with some tough talk, Russia pulls back. Russia’s happy having taught Georgia a lesson, mcbush comes out as the great foreign affairs presidential candidate.
Hmmm, for maximum impact, give the soviets a couple months while we ponder what to do, then bush consults with the wise military sage mccain, together they formulate a plan, which amazingly resolves the issue. Bush looks like a hero, and so does mcsame. Also, it could be an ‘October Surprise’.
Those of you that know me know that I’m a huge swimming fan (thanks to my daughter and her success in the sport).
And if you were watching the Olympics tonight…
* * * W O W * * *
The Men’s 4×100 relay. Truly incredible.
Perhaps Bush is making a deal with Russia over the invasion to get his grubby oil company buddy’s paws on some of that oil.
If you saw Bob Costas’ interview with the President, you’d think differently.
His main reason to be there: he’s a sportsfan.
Bush was there for the free beer, the free feels, and the free help up on his feet when he stumbled.
Oh, and so cheney could guide the ship of state while he was kept busy and drunk at the world wide deke party.
I’m only mildly surprised he hasnt given a back rubs to world leaders.
yet
Yeah, did you see those volleyball outfits? I’m a liberal and I found that disgraceful.
There’s a Russian invasion that’s critical to the world’s supply and transport of crude oil.
And Shrub’s out signing autographs on the beach volleyball girls’ tits.
God bless those beach volleyballers.
Nothing wrong with a little eye candy to spice up Beijing. =)
Well Monkey, he is a DKE legacy. Gotta uphold traditon. Once a frat boy, always a frat boy. No WONDER he was so obviously bored during the opening ceremonies. He was anxious to get to the good stuff at the post party!
I wonder if nut boy’s daughter would like to know the crap her presumed daddy posts? She would be so proud of him, I’m sure. I wonder if the phantom doc would like to see his postings?
Naaaaawwwwww. It’s probably why she left him. She knows what a sleeze he is.
Now don’t you know that’s just good family values.
falling down drunk
I mean, who will Americans believe? The spin, or their own lyin’ eyes?
The stars might lie but the pictures never do. Look at bush’s daughter looking on in horror as he’s steadied by his SS men. Typical child of an alcoholic. She knows what he is. And pickles just walked away with her ever stoic Xanex face on freeze frame.
Yep. drunk as a deke.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3769164
“Now don’t you know that’s just good family values.”
I fear for the safety of nut boy’s daughter, given the “family values” he posts here. I tell ya, my Dad would have dropped in my eyes if he had posted the kind of anti woman homophobic crap the nutty one posts.
I bet his daughter, and his wife, would be so proud.
And maybe even his employer…
Thank god my Dad was a real man and didnt dance wearing a poodle skirt…
I see he’s gone slinking off to another thread. God guns and gays. The party of stooopud.
Yeah, “ksfarmgrrl” –
The CONs are over on the Thiart thread sharing a gun nut circle jerk.
(emphasis on “jerk”)
ksfarmgrrl
Posted August 11, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink
Thank god my Dad was a real man and didnt dance wearing a poodle skirt…
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Yup, it just ain’t right to have a man acting like a woman, or vice versa.
Monkeyhawk
Posted August 11, 2008 at 12:03 am | Permalink
There’s a Russian invasion that’s critical to the world’s supply and transport of crude oil.
And Shrub’s out signing autographs on the beach volleyball girls’ tits.
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And Monkey is spanking himself while watching Volleyball.
Oh, and it’s not OK to defend oil supplies, or is it?
“MaxGrobnik” defends Russia’s invasion –
“…it’s not OK to defend oil supplies, or is it?”
Typical NeoCON warmonger.
Monkeyhawk wants to surrender in Iraq and attack Russia.
Shrub wants to ignore Russia’s little war so he can get drunk and grab some beach volleyball ass in China.
Political_mama
Posted August 11, 2008 at 12:00 am | Permalink
Yeah, did you see those volleyball outfits? I’m a liberal and I found that disgraceful.
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Were those outfits they had on??? LOL
“Oh, and it’s not OK to defend oil supplies, or is it?”
So max finally admits the invasion of iraq really WAS all about the oil? I guess better late than never.
The families of the dead soldiers must be so proud. They didnt die for freedom. They died for oil.
If Reagan got credit for the fall of the soviet empire, will bush get credit for the re-mantling of the soviet empire?
Maybe he shouldn’t of went to Georgia, and provoked Russia with his talk of joining the EU.
A different August, in 1914, a minor squabble in southern Eurasia lit the fuse for World War One.
And George WMD Bush is gettin’ drunk in China.
Nothing to worry about.
Cheney is in charge.
Like the smart Unknown saying – “Ability lies in the mind and the heart. To tell your mind to limit your abilities a”!!