Open thread 8/1

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  1. Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    More science for the science lovers. Today’s subject, the evolution of snake fangs by PZ Myers.

    “I keep saying this to everyone: if you want to understand the origin of novel morphological features in multicellular organisms, you have to look at their development. “Everything is the way it is because of how it got that way,” as D’Arcy Thompson said, so comprehending the ontogeny of form is absolutely critical to understanding what processes were sculpted by evolution. Now here’s a lovely piece of work that uses snake embryology to come to some interesting conclusions about how venomous fangs evolved.

    Basal snakes, animals like boas, lack venom and specialized fangs altogether; they have relatively simple rows of small sharp teeth. Elapid snakes, like cobras and mambas and coral snakes, are at the other extreme, with prominent fangs at the front of their jaws that act like injection needles to deliver poisons. Then there are the Viperidae, rattlesnakes and pit vipers and copperheads, that also have front fangs, but phylogenetically belong to a distinct lineage from the elapids. And finally there are other snakes like the grass snake that have enlarged fangs at the back of their jaws. It’s a bit confusing: did all of these lineages independently evolve fangs and venom glands, or are there common underpinnings to all of these arrangements?”

    More at:
    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/evolving_snake_fangs.php#more

  2. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Crawfordville business owner defended himself from would-be robbers

    http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080730/BREAKINGNEWS/80730008

    Two men tried to rob the owner of a Crawfordville business earlier this week, but the owner pulled out his gun and scared the would-be robbers away.

  3. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:18 am | Permalink

    Scientist Suspected in 2001 Anthrax Attacks Dead in Apparent Suicide

    WASHINGTON — A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.

    The scientist, Bruce E. Ivins, 62, who worked for the past 18 years at the government’s biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., had been told about the impending prosecution, the Los Angeles Times reported for Friday editions. The laboratory has been at the center of the FBI’s investigation of the anthrax attacks, which killed five people.

    cont’d at:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395723,00.html

  4. Pleefer
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    He was suicided huh? It’s about time…phew…close one.

    Funny how all of the Bush Admin was given Cipro 2 months before the “attacks”. I know, I know, that was just a coincidental precaution.

    But, I wonder, if they hadn’t been stupid enough to use US military grade ‘thrax and used the stuff we originally gave Saddam in the early 80’s, then would we have been in Iraq a lot sooner than ‘03?

    They goofed.

    But hey, nobody’s perfect.

  5. beber
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    While I believe in evolution, I don’t think it’s the whole story. A post the other day about blind cave critters gave me pause. What possible evolutionary advantage could there be to such animals to lose their eyes? Can eyeless newts swim better, live longer, etc? Or did the newts just lose their eyes because they didn’t need them anymore. And if so, who decided. The newt, or someone else.

    Has anyone ever raised fruit flys in the dark to see what happens to thier eyes? Exactly how many generations does it take?

  6. Boxlock
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Most teachers are good people, but the NEA STINKS and will destroy our schools and pollute our children’s minds.

    The NEA Spells Out Its Policies
    Phyllis Schlafly
    Monday, July 28, 2008

    “The nation’s largest teachers union, the National Education Association, attracted 9,000 delegates to its annual convention in Washington, D.C. over the Fourth of July weekend. Delegates sported buttons with provocative slogans such as “Gay marriage causes Global Warming only because we are so hot!”, “Hate is not a family value,” “The ‘Christian Right’ is neither,” and “Gay Rights are civil rights.”

    The delegates passed dozens of hard-hitting resolutions that now become the NEA’s official policy. The resolutions authorize NEA members and employees to lobby for those goals in the halls of Congress and state capitols.

    NEA resolutions cover the waterfront of all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with improving education for schoolchildren, such as supporting statehood for the District of Columbia, a “single-payer health care plan” (i.e., government-run), gun control, ratification of the International Criminal Court Treaty, and taking ste ps “to change activities that contribute to global climate change.”

    The NEA fiercely opposes any competition for public schools, such as vouchers, tuition tax credits, parental option plans, or public support of any kind to non-public schools.

    The NEA strongly opposes designating English as our official language even though such a designation is supported by more than 80 percent of Americans.

    The NEA opposes home schooling unless children are taught by state-licensed teachers using a state-approved curriculum. The NEA wants to bar home-schooled students from participating in any extracurricular activities in public schools even though their parents pay school taxes, too.

    The NEA wants many additional (job-creating) services and programs to be provided by public schools such as early childhood education (i.e., baby-sitting for preschoolers). NEA resolutions call for “programs in the public schools for children from birth through age 8,” and for “mandatory kindergarten with compulsory attendance.”
    NEA resolutions include all the major feminist goals such as “the right to reproductive freedom” (i.e., abortion on demand); “comparable worth” (i.e., government control of wages according to feminist ideology rather than the free market); full funding for the feminist boondoggle called the Women’s Educational Equity Act; and “the use of nonsexist language,” i.e., censoring out all masculine words such as husband and father.

    The NEA even urges its affiliates to work for rati fication of the Equal Rights Amendment. The ERA was declared dead by the U.S.
    Supreme Court 26 years ago.

    The influence of the gay lobby is pervasive in dozens of NEA resolutions adopted by 2008 convention delegates. Diversity is the code word used for pro-gay indoctrination in the classroom.

    The NEA’s diversity resolution makes clear that this means teaching about “sexual orientation” and “gender identification,” words that are repeated in dozens of resolutions. The NEA demands that “diversity-based curricula” even be imposed on preschoolers.

    NEA convention delegates were invited to an open hearing by the SOGI Committee in Room 149A on July 1. In case you don’t know, SOGI stands for Sexual Orientation Gender Identification.

    The NEA urges its members to offer “diverse role models” via the “hiring and promotion of diverse education employees in our public schools.” The NEA puts “domestic partnerships, civil unions, and marriage” on an equal footing.

    The NEA wants every child, regardless of age, to have “direct and confidential access, without notification to parents, to comprehensive health education. That would include things such as learning how to use condoms for premarital sex, as well as social, and psychological programs and services.”

    The NEA wants public schools to take over the physical and mental care of students through school clinics that provide services, diagnosis, treatment, family-planning counseling, and20access to birth control methods “with instruction in their use.” Family planning clinics are called on to “provide intensive counseling.”
    The NEA wants all sex-education courses, textbooks, curricula, instructional materials and activities to include indoctrination about sexual orientation and gender identification plus warnings about homophobia.

    The NEA is very generous with taxpayer money spent on illegal immigrants. The NEA not only favors amnesty for illegal-immigrant students, but also in-state college tuition and financial aid to illegal-immigrant college students.

    The NEA is strong for “multicultural education,” which the resolution makes clear does not mean studying facts about different countries and cultures. It means “the process of incorporating the values” and influencing “behavior” toward the NEA’s version of “the common good,” such as “reducing homophobia.”

    Of course, the NEA supports “global education” to teach “interdependency in sharing the world’s resources.” It’s also no surprise that the NEA adamantly opposes any requirement that schools “schedule a moment of silence.”

    Will parents be silent about the radical goals of their children’s teachers?”

  7. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    …sorry boxtop, your buddy price psoted the same garbage yesterday morning.

    The first clue it’s a bunch of lies is that it is authored by Phyllis Schlafly.

    I was at that convention in Washington, DC, you were not. What is posted is just a bunch of inferred innuendo. You are posting reichwing spin (i.e. LIES).

    I will also reiterate what I said yesterday: The NEA is over 3.2 MILLION strong (our membership is growing) and all of your posts aren’t going to make us go away. Deal with it petty little man.

  8. Boxlock
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    “CHANGE”

    ……seems as though it means most everything we hold dear. (We sure don’t want to offend anyone with the American flag)

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

    An American Tail

    Claim: During an refurbishment of the Obama campaign jet, an American flag image was removed from the plane’s tail.

    Status: True.

    Example: [Collected via e-mail, July 2008]

    Barack Obama recently finished a $500,000 total overhaul of his 757. And as part of the new design, he decided to remove the American flag from the tail…

    What American running for President of the United States would remove the symbol of his country? And worse, he replaced the flag with it with a symbol of himself…

  9. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Uh-huh.

    Phyllis Schafly.

    She made her son a homosexual.

    (And, perhaps if you give her the yarn she’ll make you one, too, “Boxlock.”)

  10. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Oh my.

    Wal mart is warning its workers that a Democratic win in the fall would be a bad thing!

    Yes, wouldn’t it be just awful if Wal mart workers could get a union and tell the company where to put the Wal mart anthem?

  11. Boxlock
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Apophis is a card carrying member of the NEA and a bigger threat to the kids future than drugs.
    He and his bitter attitude are poison to them.
    He is a “petty little’ failed teacher.
    Again, if anyone knows him, report him, and his poison attitude revealed in his posts, to the school board, it’s the best thing that one could do to help children.

  12. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    I thought YOU were going to report me boxtop!

    What, isn’t that little “dossier” project panning out for you?

    What is definition of a “failed teacher” there boxtop?

  13. SolDevVB
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Richard Viguerie Admits: “I WAS WRONG!”

    (Manassas, Virginia)

    Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, issued the following statement regarding the projected federal budget deficit for Fiscal Year 2009:

    “My July 29 news release, Bush White House Hides True Scope of Federal Deficit, had a serious error that I must correct.

    “The real budget deficit, which I accused the Bush White House of understating by $307 Billion, is even worse than I said!

    “President Bush’s team left out of their 2009 budget shortfall projection the additional $36.6 Billion from the Housing Boondoggle, er, Bill, which was passed just last weekend.

    “This reminds us all, Congress is still in session, so the budget deficit could still increase and taxpayers’ wallets may be picked even more.

    “Here are the numbers:

    Bush’s 2009 budget Projection:
    $482 Billion Deficit

    My July 29 correction of Bush’s budget
    $789 Billion ($80 Billion war cost + $227 Billion borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund)

    My July 31 correction
    $825 Billion ($36 Billion Housing Bill)

    “Therefore, the actual deficit is about 73% greater than Bush’s very misleading number.

    “Americans feel that politicians regularly lie and mislead them. However, it’s sad and dangerous for the country when the President of the United States starts acting like another politician – parsing, dissembling, misleading – even lying.

    “President Bush owes the American people an apology for deliberately giving them wrong deficit numbers.

    “With most of our country’s major institutions facing major scandals and loss of respect by Americans–9% approve of Congress–President Bush should set an example and tell us the truth regardless of how it reflects on his Administration.”

    Richard Viguerie’s July 29 statement is online at

    http://ultimatejohnmccain.com/blog_post/show/51

  14. outlander
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Obama and McCain still in a statistical tie after Obama’s world victory tour. I bet he wishes he were running for president of Europe.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/109177/Gallup-Daily-Obama-45-McCain-44.aspx

  15. Boxlock
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Don’t know who you are ‘YET’.
    If you have the courage, which you don’t, and actually believe you have nothing to fear from what I’ve collected just let me know who you are so I can.
    You know you are a failure and a petty, shallow person who can’t work with anyone except children who have no choice.

  16. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    …….You are so full of crap boxtop.

    If YOU were intelligent, you could have figured out who I am. Why don’t YOU tell the blog who YOU are petty little man?

    Also, you have nevered defined what is a “failed teacher”.

  17. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    How’s the girl watching going Apophis?

  18. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    ………………I think your leering at the under-age girls (and boys?) is what got you kicked out of Derby as a substitute teacher wasn’t it James McCluer?

  19. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    #
    Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    ………………I think your leering at the under-age girls (and boys?) is what got you kicked out of Derby as a substitute teacher wasn’t it James McCluer?
    —————–
    Actually, a car accident ended my short-lived career there, but that’s a different story.

  20. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Notices how Apophis is eager to display my name, but too much of a sissy boy to post his name.

    bawk bawk bawk

  21. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    …………….I’m not the one making libelous and unfounded criminal accusations James McCluer.

  22. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    #
    Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    …………….I’m not the one making libelous and unfounded criminal accusations James McCluer.
    ————————-
    bawk bawk bawk

    (you just did at your 8:51 a.m. post) :)

    bawk bawk bawk

  23. Boxlock
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    “Also, you have nevered [sic](failed teacher is right) defined what is a “failed teacher”.”

    You are Oedipus, you are.
    Your time is coming…be patient, it’s coming.
    Like I said, you are a coward and you know how poor an excuse for a teacher you are. You have to have a union to keep your job, to give your pathetic life relevance by association even if the organization is corrupt.

    The major media, which is bought and paid for by the elitists in Washington, and some parts of the corporate world, will not expose the NEA for what it is, a socialist, secular, humanistic and perverted organization created and supported by the globalists-socialists. Accordingly, most of America has no idea what they are doing to a whole generation of children. The question – how to make people aware and involved.

  24. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    …………just in response to your usual posts.

    Let’s take it to court and see who loses James McCluer.

  25. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    “NEA for what it is, a socialist, secular, humanistic and perverted organization created and supported by the globalists-socialists.”

    That’s YOUR opinion little man.

    3.2 MILLION members strong and we are NOT going away!

  26. lindainks55
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Does someone have that link to the place that gathers posts and then RedWhiteNBlue borrows some from there to bring here? I think we have some that should be submitted to the collection over there.

  27. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    #
    Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    …………just in response to your usual posts.

    Let’s take it to court and see who loses James McCluer.
    —————————–
    Oh, I don’t have to take it to court to get satisfaction, chicken boy. :)

    You see, you used my real name in a Public Forum and made an accusation that was libelous.

    I don’t know who you are, so I was just teasing an anonymous nic.

    You screwed up chicken boy.

  28. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    …………bring it on then James McCluer.

    I await your summons.

  29. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    #
    Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    …………bring it on then James McCluer.

    I await your summons.
    ——————–
    Who said anything about summons? Perhaps I want to end your livelihood. :)

  30. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    “Boxlock” channels “RedWhiteNBlue” with –

    “…a socialist, secular, humanistic and perverted organization created and supported by the globalists-socialists.”

    It amazes me that wing-nuts bust a spleen over the NEA’s alleged menacing power. No wonder so many 3rd grade teachers are on Fortune magazine’s list of billionaires. It’s that damned union job!

  31. Political_mama
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Every once in awhile, I watch EWTN just for kicks. To me its like the sci fi channel.

    Last night I was entertained by watching the dedication of a new Catholic Church.

    I found it absolutely hysterical when, after such somber, gold, lace, embroidery rich items were brought in to annoint the new altar….short of sacrificing a lamb right there…they sung haunting hymns and 20 altar boys and other heavily draped MEN were doting on the main guy by holding up his sleeve while he rubbed oil. All of this glory and beautifully symbolic things and they bring out a regular ole 30 dollar walmart ladder to climb up to wipe oil onto the wall crosses. I couldn’t help but think…gee you seriously couldn’t have sprung for a golden ladder draped in pillows and diamonds? It was so out of place!

    I mean after watching the guy take his hat on and off and on and off about 20 times, and dance around chanting 10 times in a circle, and bow and sidekick in a semi circle, then double take three times… I just couldn’t help but think how either funny or sad God would actually find this.

    I’ve figured it out…the Catholics assault on all the senses…from waving around that smelly incense, to constant freaky music, to shiny visuals…it’s a hypnosis. Because nobody can look at that and possibly think that if God is everywhere- that all of this is even necessary.

    But they pay millions of dollars to suspend Jesus above the altar of marble coated with oil. I couldn’t help it…I kept thinking how entertaining it would have been if that giant Jesus fell down onto the altar, dumped over the burning incense all over the oil, which lit the marble on fire….but I suppose they wouldn’t find it so funny.

  32. LLTVET
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    So is that an example of Arm Flailing Regular?
    Ending livilhoods, chicken boy, mountains out of molehills. I think I am starting to understand now. Thank you for clearing that up.

    Or do I just say “…protesteth too much?”

  33. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Good morning LLVet!

    How has your day been?

    All is well I hope. :)

  34. Phantom
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    So, was the suicidal scientist the culprit. Or just a person who didn’t want to go through the hell of his ‘person on interest’ colleague Hatfill?

  35. LLTVET
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Wonderful Regular. It’s Friday, Payday. What more could I ask for? Thanks for asking. And yourself?

  36. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    No kidding, MonkeyH.

    If we had any illusions that Boxlock might be reasonable enough to reason with, we lost them in that vicious John-Bircher rant.

    Boxlock is still mad his hero Old Joe McCarthey and the House Un-American Activities Committee have been so thoroughly disgraced.

    Ahh, the good old days, when the left could be thrown into prison for holding ideas that Boxlock doesn’t like . . .

  37. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Fair to middlin’, party cloudy LLVET.

    Hoping to pay a few bills today and then do some yard work.

  38. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    And by the way, Boxlock, if anything bad happens to Apophis by your doing, you can plan on getting a forceful response by me and all the other staunch union men out there . . .

  39. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Sounds like a threat Crapn?

    Perhaps you can man up, unlike Apophis and give your real name as well?

    I figured you wouldn’t, you don’t have the cajones to say the things you do, using your real name.

    (chortles)

  40. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    “Political_mama” muses –

    “…I just couldn’t help but think how either funny or sad God would actually find this.”

    Every religion has its silly rituals. I suspect God appreciates the efforts behind ‘em all but isn’t impressed all that much. On the other hand…

    “…if that giant Jesus fell down onto the altar, dumped over the burning incense all over the oil, which lit the marble on fire….but I suppose [the Catholics] wouldn’t find it so funny.”

    Y’think?

    God would probably notice it, though.

  41. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    PREDICTION:

    The Ivins guy who killed himself when investigators finally identified him as sending anthrax to kill liberals will be found to hold political positions exactly like Boxlock.

  42. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Not a threat, Regular.

    A promise.

  43. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Use my real name after a guy who thinks just like you, Regular, shot up a church?

    I don’t think so . . .

  44. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    CraponAmerica…

    bawk bawk bawk…

  45. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Upon further reflection, I’d like to see a forceful response to anyone who harms a WEBlog poster in real life for views expressed on the Blog.

    That includes protecting you, Regular.

    You too shouldn’t be harassed in RL for the ideas you express.

  46. Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Yup, when it comes to right-wing crazies, I think it only prudent to protect myself and my family.

    If that is “chicken” to you, then so be it . . .

  47. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Views I agree with.

    Using someone’s real name and making an accusation, it’s time to pay the piper.

  48. jjj
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    I read this morning that Barry wants the oil companies to give Americans part of their profits in the form of stimulus checks. Has he taken a finance course? Umh if costs go up then the oil companies will raise prices. If foreign oil companies leave the US (to avoid this expense) supply goes way down. Barry is a void.

  49. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    ……..pervert jimmy mccliar, give it your best shot at “ending my livelihood”.

    Posting comments that annoy reichwingers isn’t contrary to the standards of my profession.

    If if it were, I still have due process rights.

    Oh, I forgot…………reichwingers think it’s okay to circumvent the Constitution!

    Bring it on mcliar! Get out of your sister’s basement and actually do something on that government bought quad-cane of yours!

  50. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica,

    How do you plan on protecting your family? I didn’t take you for the guns for self defense kind of guy.

    I could be wrong, but if I am right, how do you plan on protecting yourself and your family from harm?

  51. HLP
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Dammit!

    Missed a complete morning of words of wisdom from Apophis.

    “3.2 MILLION members strong and we are NOT going away!”

    How’s that working for you in the 25/30 states that don’t mandate membership? Such a great union, it would colapse if members had a choice.

    nimrod

  52. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Once again… “Apophis,”

    How is anything we say to “you” or about you libel when “you” is an nic like Apophis?

    What will you do, say we tarnished the name Apophis on a blog?

    Good luck with that.

  53. Raptor
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    So, capn is getting all concerned about various threats..and what was it he said a little while back? something to the effect of:

    “you better hope we never meet in person”…

    Capn = hypocrite

  54. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica,

    A guy like Regular didn’t shoot up a church.

    Out of the thousands of things which could make someone “like” another, the mere fact that someone listens to Conservative talk radio and reads Conservative books doesn’t then make all those that do crazies.

    If that was the case, you has better be much more afraid than you are feigning here.

    Because there are MILLIONS of people who are “like” that guy who shot up the church (by your standards) and you are right in the heart of Conservative country in Kansas.

    If I were you I wouldn’t ever leave your home and would move to somewhere like New Hamshire so you don’t have to live your life in fear like you mockingly feign here.

  55. Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    So which is it, “HLP?” –

    Is the NEA “Boxlock’s” titanic “…socialist, secular, humanistic and perverted organization created and supported by the globalists-socialists?” and a threat to all Christendom? Or a sorry bunch of pathetic losers?

    Can’t really be both, now can it?

    You CONs really need to get your rants coordinated. And your s#it together.

    (Oh. And please tell your boy to stop fantasizing about me. It ruins his sheets.)

  56. Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    As per request from last nite’s Open Thread:

    StevenEDavis
    Posted July 31, 2008 at 11:18 pm | Permalink
    The real world results of internet trollig:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?hp
    =========================================

  57. Heckler
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    never mind

  58. Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Oh yea, “trollig” = trolling

  59. Heckler
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Ben

    ” An industry-shaking idea itself, the Chevy Volt is on uncertain ground as Eestor continues to make progress on its ultracapacitor battery. Eestor just announced that its technology was verified by a third party, and that the company is on track to deliver a battery capable of powering a car for 300 miles on one charge.

    Eestor set a milestone last year when it worked with the same third party verifier last year, Edward D. Golla, PhD, Laboratory Director for Texas Research International. Golla has provided a chemical analysis:”

    http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/07/31/chevy-volts-batteries-cowering-as-eestors-supercapacitor-progresses/

  60. Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” comforts us with –

    “… there are MILLIONS of people who are “like” that guy who shot up the church….”

    But all it takes is one.

    And you, “boy,” show all the signs of being one of ‘em.

  61. beber
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    “The Ivins guy who killed himself when investigators finally identified him as sending anthrax to kill liberals will be found to hold political positions exactly like Boxlock” — Captain.

    Sorry Captain, you don’t know what kind of evidence the FBI had on Ivins. Remember the “person of interest.” We don’t yet know enough about this to even venture a guess as to whether he killed himself. Why would law enforcement advise someone they were closing in?

  62. avtolle
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Well, Boxlock, apparently there was communication to his attorneys Tuesday, as I recall from media reports, indicating charges were going to be filed. This might have been an attempt to have him surrender to the authorities.

  63. HLP
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Of course they can be both, Mr Meyers.

    One thing we know for certain, Apophis is a sorry, bitter loser.

  64. Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I was touched by this ad. I want to give it the air of whatever audience we have here.

    I cannot have another dog. Maybe there is a reader out there who is looking for a friend.

    http://wichita.craigslist.org/zip/

  65. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    What are all these “signs” that I show?

  66. HLP
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Bruce E. Ivins is not a conservative. He is not a Republican. He is not a fundementalist Christian.

    If he was any of the above, the MSM would have been all over it. Trust me on this, you liberal losers.

  67. Apophis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:30 am | Permalink
    Of course they can be both, Mr Meyers.

    One thing we know for certain, Apophis is a sorry, bitter loser.
    ****************************************************************************

    …….spleen venting today old man price?

    FYI………the NEA membership is growing here in Wichita and the entire state of Kansas even with this being a “Right to Work” or “Scabs are Freeloaders” state.

    How do you explain that old man?

    Wishful thinking isn’t going to make 3.2 MILLION of us go away, ever.

    I’m done cutting the grass, so it’s now time to go to the pool. Later, reichwing losers!

  68. Grateful_Dave
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Blog from NO

    The most recent additions to this show have changed me. I find myself more likely to stay in, to stay out, to drink too much, to not drink at all, to laugh hysterically or remain stoic for no reason; I find myself on one edge or another, and not so often at the relaxed place in between. Something is bugging me….

    I don’t like to be insulted, especially in public, and especially by being treated like I’m stupid. I’ll bet most of you agree. It’s just not cool.

    So I’d like a day when we get a free pass;

    A day where our state senator admits he’s a diaper wearing whore monger.
    A councilman admits he pushed his gal around and went home to get a lap dance from a couple of hookers to maintain his massive ego.
    A police chief who admits he punishes renegade cops only when the press catches them doing some really f- up sh-, and the rest of the time he’s out running a sting on drunken street bums while we get murdered in our sleep.
    A Mayor who simply admits he wasn’t paying attention to his own Non-Profit while it fleeced the city and a local blogger (Karen Gadbois) had to catch it for him. Or that he spend thousands of tax dollars going out to dinner at fancy restaurants while families with kids are wondering where they’ll go when the trailer gets taken away.

    But why stop with the City of New Orleans?

    How about a presidential candidate admitting that he’s a doddering fool, out of touch with the times, who came home from his POW stint to dump his crippled wife and marry and beer heiress, and has no real clue what he’s doing unless he’s told?

    Maybe some oil companies who admit that they’re finally lowering gasoline prices to throw a fix into the elections this fall, to keep those republican bastards’ boot on our necks.

    I’d be happy if just one of them, or even somebody like them, would tell me straight up, “you don’t really matter to us at all, you’re just a hand puppet who gets our greedy fingers up the ass every few years, so we can line our pockets and get more control over your life. The news papers print what we tell them, and we ensure many hours of mindless celebrity worship and sexual innuendo on television, because it’s more dangerous then the drugs we feed you in the form of alcohol and cigarettes.”

    Yeah. Something like that. A little bit of truth before we submerge back into being Mind Slaves.

    But I’ll wait.
    I think that there’s enough pissed off hand puppets out there to elect a New President…
    To turn off Bill O’Reilly, just because he’s a dickhead, regardless of his shouting us down…
    To start reading alternative news sources instead of watching Sean Hannity twist the truth like f- Elmer Gantry…
    To finally say, “No, I don’t believe you, I don’t trust you, and I want to see for myself.”

    Of course, this could be a fool’s errand. I might be the only one who feels this way. And tomorrow, I might say to myself, ‘Why write? Why read? Those wacky Kardashian Girls are on the TV again. Gas prices have dropped, and Bill Jefferson seems like a nice guy.’

    But I don’t think so.

    I’m just guessing here, but I think that there’s about to be a big shake up going around. I think some of these assholes will be lucky to get off without finding out just how crowded our prison system is. I think there are many, many people who are just mad as hell, tired of losing their homes, their futures, their children’s educations and in fact, their lives, because some f- mope in a suit, with a rich daddy and a great press kit, stuffed his dirty little hand up our ass again, to take more and more and more.

    I certainly hope so.
    But then, I could spend the hours, conversing with the flowers, if I only had a brain….

    Lord David
    Pirate & Artist
    Skull Club & Humidcity.com
    New Orleans

  69. LLTVET
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    This is just priceless. “who started it” is now a news story.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_race;_ylt=As2Lev236jexvUhRrDlolS9snwcF

  70. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Nathan asks, “How do you plan on protecting your family? I didn’t take you for the guns for self defense kind of guy.”

    It’s true that I’m a flaming liberal, Nathan. I’m actually listening to Bob Dylan’s “The Times They are a Changing” right at this very moment.

    But I don’t have any problem defending my family by any means necessary, including a gun.

    So, yeah, I’m like Phil Gramm in that respect–”I got more guns than I need, but not as many guns as I want,” heh.

    In fact, I actually confronted a thief who stealing stuff from my truck parked in the driveway with a 12 guage. I scared him off and we called 9-11.

    He was later confronted by another homeowner without a gun while doing the same thing—-and the punk broke the guy’s nose.

    The police eventually got the guy, but just to clarify, I’m am far from a lie-down-and-die kind of liberal, as if there are any, which I doubt.

  71. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    It’s true that millions of CONs don’t shoot up churches.

    On the other hand, people that shoot up churches are always CON, aren’t they.

    Take for instance the four little girls killed at church when it was bombed by the KKK during the Civil Rights period.

    Their moms sent them there to “be safe.”

  72. Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    BTW, New Hampshire is not particularly liberal. Now Vermont on the other hand is probably the most liberal state in the Union. Bernie Sanders is an avowed socialist — the only one — in the US Senate. He is of course from Vermont and won with 65 percent of the vote.

  73. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica,

    I could post over a dozen church shootings for you which have taken place in the last year.

    I don’t think any of them mention the political affiliations of those involved.

    So what makes you able to say such things with such certainty?

  74. avtolle
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    I, too, was puzzled by “Nathaniel’s” reference to New Hampshire earlier today, Capn. Vermont, on the other hand, would have been on point; and, possibly Maine; but New Hampshire?

  75. Anon1
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone see that they found the missing 1 year old girl dead in the attic of her fathers house? Tragic…

  76. avtolle
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Yes, Anon, I did; tragic indeed.

  77. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Substitute Vermont for New Hampshire, It was just the first North Eastern State to pop in my mind.

    But please, go ahead and skip the point and focus on one tiny detail.

  78. Raptor
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Quite the assertion that capn makes:

    “On the other hand, people that shoot up churches are always CON, aren’t they.”

    Would love to see some backup/proof on that one. But…since when does capn ever need facts for his ravings?

  79. Anon1
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    And after reading the story, you really have to feel for the mother. Apparently, she had to have surgery and so had the girl’s father caring for her while she had the surgery and recovered (they said minor but didn’t specify what for), and the father called her and claimed the little girl disappeared from the park, so she called police. To have to find out otherwise would be heartbreaking. I am sure she is second-guessing every decision she made about the entire situation at this point…

  80. avtolle
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel, the point that you were trying to make was blunted by your choice of state. The devil is in the details, no?

  81. Raptor
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Typical bs from capn. He makes an absolutely outrage claim, based on nothing but his own hatred, then will not support it, or if he does say anything, it will be a personal attack against anyone who asks for backup of his lie.

    typical. Childishly typical of his behavior.

  82. mrcontroversy
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    From my e-mail this morning:
    WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Sam Brownback today commented on the Federal Communications Commission’s decision that Comcast violated net neutrality principles. “I am disappointed in the FCC’s action against Comcast,” said Brownback. “There has been no market failure to justify the heavy-hand of so-called net neutrality, and I do not believe the Commission has the authority to enforce principles as if they were adopted rules. The Bush Administration has made deregulation of the Internet and the telecommunications sector a priority; today’s move was a giant step backward and may harm innovation and broadband deployment. I am saddened to learn that Chairman Martin and his Democratic colleagues believe the government, and not competitive markets, should decide which business model best suits the industry.” The Federal Communications Commission voted 3-2 that Comcast violated the Commission’s policy by slowing some Internet traffic. Republican Commissioners Deborah Taylor Tate and Robert McDowell voted against Chairman Martin.

  83. jjj
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    The new commercial, “The One” is so funny. I guess we won’t see it in Kansas but it is worth finding online.
    Can Barry be a great as he says?
    Maybe we should have Barry schools following his teaching.

  84. Agnatha
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    “CHANGE

    “……seems as though it means most everything we hold dear. (We sure don’t want to offend anyone with the American flag)

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

    Oh gee, I thought snopes was a liberal source whose puncturing of right wing noise was not to be trusted.

    “What American running for President of the United States would remove the symbol of his country? And worse, he replaced the flag with it with a symbol of himself…”

    [FE]Which, of course, proves he’s not patriotic.[/FE]

    BTW, Phyllis Schlafly is as nasty a piece of work as there is in American politics. She is also a proven liar back going back to her anti-ERA days. Posting a bloodthirsty rant from her does no discredit to whoever or whatever she is directing it towards.

    “The major media, which is bought and paid for by the elitists in Washington, and some parts of the corporate world, will not expose the NEA for what it is, a socialist, secular, humanistic and perverted organization created and supported by the globalists-socialists.”

    Do you really think you are doing your side any good by posting such over the top hysterical bilge? Come on.

    BTW, I think that the NEA does have some considerable flaws.

  85. Agnatha
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    “Bruce E. Ivins is not a conservative. He is not a Republican. He is not a fundementalist Christian.”

    Actually, we don’t know much of anything about the man at this point. For all we know at this time, including whether he is guilty (NPR had a disturbing segment on how the life of the first “person of interest” in this mess was ruined by a leak that he was a person of interest, and the press coverage that resulted.

    “If he was any of the above, the MSM would have been all over it. Trust me on this, you liberal losers.”

    1) Nice use of the nasty ad hominem there, Hank.

    2) The implied paranoia about the MSM is just sad. The MSM first and foremost is commercial and all too often sensationalistic. I am sure we will be hearing a lot about this guy before long, but right now I am sure that the MSM (and the rest of the media) are trying to gather information. This news is less than 24 hours old, after all.

  86. Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    “Nathaniel” struts –

    “I could post over a dozen church shootings for you which have taken place in the last year.”

    Makes the “boy” proud, does it?

  87. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    Not at all. I try to point out that there are more shootings than this which take place. But since this guy liked Conservative talk radio and books it appears to be the only one that the liberals care about.

    And, my commnet here was specifically in regards to CapnAmerica making the claim that it is only Conservatives who shoot in churches like this.

    Try again MonkeyHawk.

  88. Raptor
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Nice taking things out of context there MH. Nat was asking capn to back up his outrageous invention that all church shootings are always the work of cons. Yet…strangely, it seems neither you nor capn can back that up. Care to try?

    I am expecting a vile, personal attack from capn instead of providing the proof for his vile lie.

  89. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    What is with Pelosi doing? Shutting off C-Span. Shutting us out of house action or inaction. Not wanting the people to see that no action is being taken by the house on high fuel cost before they rush off for their 5 week long summer break.

    Libs she is yours. What are you doing to stop this madness?

  90. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    What is Pelosi doing? Shutting off C-Span. Shutting us out of house action or inaction. Not wanting the people to see that no action is being taken by the house on high fuel cost before they rush off for their 5 week long summer break.

    Libs she is yours. What are you doing to stop this madness?

  91. Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    From a fast view of Snopes, it looks l ike the accusation that Obama did NOT remove the Flag from his plane after all… He simply removed the North American Airlines trademark Tail from his plane… The original Flag is where it always was… next to the registration number…

    Looks like McCain’s plane doesnt have an American Flag either!!

    Old lady Shlafly will try anything to get her old butt noticed…

  92. Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    type —-

    Should read >>>>

    looks like the accusation that Obama removed the Flag… isnt true after all…

  93. Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    IMO we would do well to just accept the latest church shooting for what it is… a terrible tragedy…. instead of trying to make it some kind of political football…. The lives of those killed and injured, and that congregation do not deserve to be turned into fodder for talk radio, or Blog bashing…

  94. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    “Both Fox News and the Chicago Sun-Times posted pictures of the Obama campaign’s redressed airplane, which does not have an American flag or any other U.S. national symbols on the section that sports the airplane door from which Obama and his team will enter and exit.

    The airplane boasts Obama’s anthem, “Change We Can Believe In” and the candidate’s website address.

    The plane that Sen. Barack Obama will use on his campaign features his slogan and his Web address (Courtesy Sun-Times)

    The aircraft also has required identification numbers and a U.S. flag to identify the nationality of the aircraft.”

    The flag you reference is required by law. The portion of the plane the news reported on is that you see when he comes and goes. Snopes isn’t very fair sometimes in their coverage of ‘myths’. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and do your own research.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70236

  95. Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    YES! FINALLY!

    It’s about time Madam Speaker!

    Give the cons a taste of their future.

    Bravo!

  96. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica,

    You going to listen to your pal Chas?

  97. Posted August 1, 2008 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Beber asks,
    “While I believe in evolution, I don’t think it’s the whole story. A post the other day about blind cave critters gave me pause. What possible evolutionary advantage could there be to such animals to lose their eyes? Can eyeless newts swim better, live longer, etc? Or did the newts just lose their eyes because they didn’t need them anymore. And if so, who decided. The newt, or someone else.”

    It’s evolutionary advantageous for creatures that exist in an environment where their eyes would be of no use to not spend the energy producing them. By conserving their resources for other areas of development those beings without eyes have an advantage over those who consume energy in producing useless eyes.

    It’s the same in humans. We still have wisdom teeth which we don’t use and are a detriment. Those who no longer produce wisdom teeth have an advantage. The same goes for the reduced size in the human digestive tract, etc. Another example would be whales that no longer need their hind legs as keeping them would have kept them at a disadvantage over those that lost theirs.

  98. Raptor
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    I guess the childish little capn isn’t going to give us a source for his ridiculous claim:

    “On the other hand, people that shoot up churches are always CON, aren’t they.”

    This from someone who whines about people who “hit and run”…that is, make an outlandish statment then disappear.

    capn = hypocrite

  99. parkay
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    “I started sobbing and lay down (on) the floor. I stared and stared at my son. I was horrified that I had just had him in a commode.”
    . . . botched post-viable abortion victim Angele, who was then denied a call for emergency medical assistance for her baby Rowan, who was still moving, but died before help arrived at the Orlando, FL EPOC abortion mill in 2005
    [This unsafe, criminal abortion mill is now offering discount abortions.]

  100. beber
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Then why do whales and snakes have hip bones maggotpunk? I knew that’s what your answer would be, and it’s reasonable. Still, be careful before you take all the mystery out of life, especially as we don’t know what life is. What about the fruit flys? If you breed a million generations in the dark, will they still have eyes?

  101. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Beber asks:
    “Then why do whales and snakes have hip bones maggotpunk? I knew that’s what your answer would be, and it’s reasonable. Still, be careful before you take all the mystery out of life, especially as we don’t know what life is. What about the fruit flys? If you breed a million generations in the dark, will they still have eyes?”

    Because they are vestigal organs, remnants of a previous transition lost through adaptation and natural selection.

    Actually it’s interesting that you ask about fruti flies. Since I’m assuming eyes are a valuable part of the fruit flies’ survival anyone that loses them will probably not achieve reproductive success and pass that mutation off to the next generation. As for the cave fish it wasn’t a harmful mutation. An experiment of fruit flies and blind cave fish showed that eyes are determined by a single gene and manipulation of that gene produced eyes all over the flies’ body and brought them back for the fish.

    One simple gene change can have profound effects. Millions of years ago one of our ancestors had a gene mutation on the gene that codes for vitamin C. As a result all hominids (us, chimps, gorillas, etc) don’t produce our own vitamin C like pretty much all other species. It proves our shared ancestry with other hominids.

  102. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Okob >>>>

    LOOK at the picture of the Obama Airplane at this web site…. LOOK AT IT…. And then get off of my BACK!!! And go flame your butt somewhere else!!!

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

  103. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    This FLAG is on the LEFT side of the Plane…

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/plane6.jpg

    CAN YOU SEE IT??

  104. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Chas I had pictures on my website. Did you look at those. I cited two sources and you quote Snopes, a liberal ‘fact’ checker. You need to clean up your act. That is why no one on the board respects you or what you are. I wasn’t on your back merely showed facts that proved your source was wrong. If you can’t defend it don’t post it.

    Obviously your quick snopes search wasn’t good enough.

  105. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70236

    The airplane boasts Obama’s anthem, “Change We Can Believe In” and the candidate’s website address.

    The plane that Sen. Barack Obama will use on his campaign features his slogan and his Web address (Courtesy Sun-Times)

    The aircraft also has required identification numbers and a U.S. flag to identify the nationality of the aircraft.

    (Emphasis mine)

  106. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Look at the DAMNED PICTURE, Granny!!!

    BOTH of them!!! And the item from YOUR CONservative web site….

    Snopes is NOT a liberal fact check web site… THAT is another one of your gd lies!!

    Damn Wench!!

  107. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    While you are at it, find any FLAG on McCain’s airplane?? Can you do that??

  108. Nathaniel
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Our loving Minister and his words of compassion, humility, and good nature:

    “Damn Wench!!”

  109. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Chas MY article told you the flag was there with the identification letters/numbers as required by law. You gave me the same information as you had a vision of the plane and could prove someone wrong. What an idiot!

    Why do I waste my time pretending you have a brain?

  110. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Man, the article on trolls is scary. I do think some of the posters here fit that definition. In spades.

    On the other hand…

    I wonder if any of the professional trolls mentioned in the NYT article are for hire?

    hehehehehhe.

    I have a list of people I’d like to sic them on….

  111. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Nathan if I thought he had a brain I might feel insulted. As it is I just consider the source and find it defective.

  112. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    So, what is your friggin point, lady??? Huh???

    Obama’s plane has a FLAG on it… Are you claiming it doesnt??? BTW, the Snopes article ALSO shows the FLAG on Obama’s plane, which I also posted above….

    So, SHOVE IT Wench!!

  113. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    …and ya know…

    The Green Hair Theory is true. In fact, I’ve heard it discussed in some pretty high level seminars. Of course, they didnt call it that, but the concept is the same.

  114. Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    JUST FOR YOU GRANNY…. Your old buddy Boxlock originally posted the Snopes article early this morning!! BUT, we cant take his word on it, since Snopes is a LIBERAL web site, and cant be trusted… eh???
    =========================================

    Boxlock
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:16 am | Permalink
    “CHANGE”

    ……seems as though it means most everything we hold dear. (We sure don’t want to offend anyone with the American flag)

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp
    =========================================

    Now… Did you READ that the TAIL section of that plane carried North American Airlines Copyrighted Logo of the FLAG on the Tail section???

    Obama changed a LOGO on an airplane, and that is supposed to be something negative???

    OFFICIAL planes of our government fly a flag on the Tail section…. Obama’s plane is not OFFICIAL — YET… He wont take the flag off of Air Force One, once he is elected…

  115. Political_mama
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    ““I started sobbing and lay down (on) the floor. I stared and stared at my son. I was horrified that I had just had him in a commode.”
    . . . botched post-viable abortion victim Angele, who was then denied a call for emergency medical assistance for her baby Rowan, who was still moving, but died before help arrived at the Orlando, FL EPOC abortion mill in 2005
    [This unsafe, criminal abortion mill is now offering discount abortions.]

    These stories are absolutely questionable- we found out that parkay’s little organization put out about 3 different women who told the VERY same version of the VERY same story publically. They really don’t care about the women, they don’t care about lying. They believe they are mandated to lie to obtain their desired result.

  116. Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:46 pm | Permalink
    Chas MY article told you the flag was there with the identification letters/numbers as required by law. You gave me the same information as you had a vision of the plane and could prove someone wrong. What an idiot!

    Why do I waste my time pretending you have a brain?
    =========================================

    WRONG AGAIN WENCH!!!

    I posted a picture of the plane off of the Snopes site… Did you miss that too??? I keep telling you to get your eyes checked!! You just cant READ anymore!! And you call ME stupid???

  117. Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Just a few of today’s headlines.

    Stocks pull back after another decline in jobs- AP
    GM posts $15.5B 2Q loss, 3rd-worst in its history- AP
    US auto sales slump to 16-year low in July- AP
    Jobless rate climbs as 51,000 jobs vanish- AP
    Big Oil’s biggest quarter ever: $51.5B in all- AP

    Ah yes, the Bush economy. Everyone fails except the oil companies. Not mentioned were the record foreclosures, bankruptcies and $800 budget deficit.

  118. okobserver
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Chas I don’t even know what you think you are trying to prove but will show you before and after pics of Obama’s plane and also McCains plane with flag on side.

    http://blogsforjohnmccain.com/obama-replaces-us-flag-campaign-plane-enormous-obama-o-pictures

  119. Political_mama
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    No that’s not a biased source at ALL.

  120. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    I know he re-decorated the plane… I didnt argue that… You all trying to make a federal case that he removed the North American Airlines LOGO off of the tail… which just happened to be a FLAG…

    Both McCain’s AND Obama’s planes have SMALL flags on them… McCain’s Flag isnt anywhere near his entrance/exit either…

    I dont know what your friggin problem is, except that Obama has his plane decorated for HIS campaign… Of course, so does McCain….

    So what??? It’s a NON-issue Granny!! What are you flaming about???

  121. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    PMama, Okob thinks it is OK for HER to use biased web sites to make her point… It’s just ME that cant do the same… even if Snopes ISNT a Liberal web site!! ROFL!!

  122. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    BTW, Okob…. I am not trying to PROVE anything…. except to show YOU that Obama’s plane has a flag… and McCain’s plane has a flag… And BOTH are decorated for their respective campaigns…. There is nothing else to prove!!

  123. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Actually, it’s a peculiar thing about flags on vertical stabilizers (that’s the tail for non aircraft folks.)

    In the Air Force, very few aircraft have the American Flag on the tail. It is usually reserved for Air Force 1 and 2 and those aircraft carrying personnel on official State Department duty to foreign countries.

    When I worked in research, I thought it would be a nice touch to add the American Flag to the human centrifuge, because it supported NASA and other agencies for G-force testing. Took awhile, but finally got the American flag for the ‘fuge’ and it was a decal flag from Air Force 1 program. :)

  124. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh yea, how many Airlines have planes with a U.S. Flag on the Tail section, like North American?? And, last time I looked, North America includes more than one nation…

  125. Posted August 1, 2008 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    “In the Air Force, very few aircraft have the American Flag on the tail. It is usually reserved for Air Force 1 and 2 and those aircraft carrying personnel on official State Department duty to foreign countries.” [Regular]

    I do believe that point was also made in the Snopes.com article… Thanks!!

  126. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    WPD, OCI Continue Campaign Against Abandoned Vehicles

    Date: August 1, 2008
    Contact: Sgt. James Pinegar (on Aug. 1, 2)
    E-mail: jpinegar@wichita.gov
    Phone: (316) 688-9300

    Contact: Sgt. Bart Brunscheen (on Aug. 3)
    E-mail: bbrunscheen@wichita.gov
    Phone: (316) 688-9200

    Contact: Jay Stalkup
    E-mail: jstalkup@wichita.gov
    Phone: (316) 807-1441

    The Wichita Police Department (WPD) and the Office of Central Inspection (OCI) continued their effort to remove inoperable and abandoned vehicles from city streets with a sweep through the Planeview neighborhood in southeast Wichita.

    As with a similar effort last month, the sweep is part of a growing city government effort to improve neighborhoods by fighting blight, a priority goal of the Wichita City Council.

    During the Planeview sweep, Wichita police officers from Patrol East joined forces with staff members from the Office of Central Inspection (OCI). Wichita police officers marked 52 abandoned vehicles on city property; OCI staff members marked 128 abandoned vehicles on private property.

    If the marked vehicles are not removed, or problems with them corrected, the City of Wichita will tow and impound them. Those marked by WPD officers will be towed on Sunday and Monday, Aug. 3-4. Vehicles marked by OCI will be towed on Aug. 21.

  127. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Ummm wont they have a major problem, if they try to tow a privately owned vehicle off of private property?? Other than that, the attempt to clean up the streets is a good idea… Amarillo did that sort of thing earlier this spring, without incident…

  128. beber
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    very hard for a woman to have an abortion then go home and poop the baby out in the stool.

  129. Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Beber — That would take some very strange biology to do that, I would think… Is that what the upthread post said??

  130. beber
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    “Because they are vestigal organs, remnants of a previous transition lost through adaptation and natural selection.” — maggotpunk

    Why can’t they be the beginnings of new organs, Mr. Punk. A transistion toward walking on land for whales, and just walking for snakes?

  131. parkay
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    The hip bones of whales and snakes are not vestigial. They are used in copulation. That makes their function very important to the whales and snakes.

  132. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    ‘Stevens, Murkowski press for oil exploration in ANWR’
    http://newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/01/stevens-murkowski-press-oil-exploration-anwr/
    ” “A seismic survey of the area could be done without causing any more impact than that of a photo safari,” Stevens said.”
    —————–

    Yeah. . . a big photo safari that covers a 1.5 million acre area with trails 1/2 mile or less apart. Near snow dens with polar bears and her newborn cubs, muskoxen, etc. Over easily damaged tundra.

    http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
    “While the 1984-85 2-D trails on the Arctic Refuge were 4 miles apart, 3-D trails would be one half mile or less apart. The impact to vegetation and soils on the Refuge would likely be much greater from 3-D seismic surveys than from the 2-D seismic surveys conducted in the 1980s.”

  133. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    ‘Stevens, Murkowski press for oil exploration in ANWR’
    http://newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/01/stevens-murkowski-press-oil-exploration-anwr/
    ” “A seismic survey of the area could be done without causing any more impact than that of a photo safari,” Stevens said.”
    —————–

    Yeah. . . a big photo safari that covers a 1.5 million acre area with trails 1/2 mile or less apart. Near snow dens with polar bears and her newborn cubs, muskoxen, etc. Over easily damaged tundra.

    http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
    “While the 1984-85 2-D trails on the Arctic Refuge were 4 miles apart, 3-D trails would be one half mile or less apart. The impact to vegetation and soils on the Refuge would likely be much greater from 3-D seismic surveys than from the 2-D seismic surveys conducted in the 1980s.”

  134. Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
    Whatever you conceive God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    So mote it be!!

  135. StevenEDavis
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
    So, what is your friggin point, lady??? Huh???

    Obama’s plane has a FLAG on it… Are you claiming it doesnt??? BTW, the Snopes article ALSO shows the FLAG on Obama’s plane, which I also posted above….

    So, SHOVE IT Wench!!
    *****
    Chas,

    In case you read this tomorrow, germ is an especially nasty person. Calling her names is not a good idea, because doing so makes you seem as nasty a person as she is. You wouldn’t want that fate, would you???

    I will regale all with germ stories next week, if I feel so inclined; hopefully, I will not. She posted here once that she quit posting because of what I was saying about her. Germ, please tell me what that was, because I would gladly repeat it.

  136. Regular
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Ummm wont they have a major problem, if they try to tow a privately owned vehicle off of private property?? Other than that, the attempt to clean up the streets is a good idea… Amarillo did that sort of thing earlier this spring, without incident…
    ————————-
    No, because they have given notice of the action.

    It’s like having a lot that hasn’t been mowed. They city can send you notices and if you ignore it, they can come on your property, cut the grass and send you a bill.

    I think abandoned cars fall under the ‘public nuisance’ type of laws, perhaps an attorney can answer.

  137. Phantom
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I shudder to think if mccain were to take over the piloting of his aircraft! Might be reading about crash no. 7.

  138. Posted August 2, 2008 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    I will keep that in mind, Steven… Thanks!!

  139. FilmFan
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    W-h-h-h-h-at? What is this???? Parkay posts about something other than abortion? Do my two eyes deceive me?

    And Maggot Punk graced us with his presence as well! Gosh-diggity-dang-it! This had all the makings of a primo debate! Unfortunately, I spend my evenings abed – resting up for the next day’s toilings.

    But this would have been fun! Leave the back pillow, pill bottles, acrid dreams and roiling reveries aside and leave the stage clear for the main event!

    Gentlemen, don’t disappoint me. I don’t know how many good years I have left before I’m supine in a rest home, languishing in a puddle of my own essence – so time is of an effluence. Wait – I transposed that s–t.

    Such is the lot of old women……………

  140. Posted August 2, 2008 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Course is not like many of eyes many systems use. The more skilled players like to play challenging course that require homophobia to win. Nature-friendly? Then why not try My July 29 correction that have someone or course.

  141. Boxlock
    Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted August 1, 2008 at 9:33 am
    “And by the way, Boxlock, if anything bad happens to Apophis by your doing, you can plan on getting a forceful response by me and all the other staunch union men out there . . .”

    Ho, ho, bring it on CrapOn! I’m just waiting.
    What a empty, typical mindless, union member like threat. What’s the problem there sissy, can’t take care of your annoyances by yourself, need a gang of union members standing behind, or more likely in front, of you. Typical weak union individual, can’t do anything on your own.
    And what is a “forceful response”, a big bad tongue lashing on the blog that is completely incoherent?
    You’re an empty suit, nothing CrapOn, you’re nothing, except a bad comedian.

  142. Posted August 2, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    ““And by the way, Boxlock, if anything bad happens to Apophis by your doing, you can plan on getting a forceful response by me and all the other staunch union men out there . . .”

    I’m in with that too Capn.

    Who knows you Boxy?

    Now you’ve made some pretty blatant threats here. Some against people I know and some against people I like more than you.

    But in the end? You’re an unknown. A faceless agitator.

  143. Boxlock
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Name one threat I’ve made BlueJay, name one.
    You can’t unless you are talking about someone, myself included, justifiably reporting Oedipus’s posts here on the blog to the ’school authorities’ out of concern for the health, safety and the minds of the children he has influence on.
    And that’s no threat, that’s a civic duty.
    JR, frankly…you are an empty suit too, your threats mean nothing, you’re a petty thief and I’m not sure you even work or take care of your family.

  144. Agnatha
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    “The flag you reference is required by law. The portion of the plane the news reported on is that you see when he comes and goes. Snopes isn’t very fair sometimes in their coverage of ‘myths’. Sometimes you have to go the extra mile and do your own research.”

    And you went to World Nut Daily.

    I wouldn’t lecture people about doing extra research if it involves going to nutjob partisan websites.

  145. Posted August 3, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Correct me if I am wrong Boxy.

    Aren’t you the same blather who also called it a civic duty to seek out and exterminate Capn?

    And you have another troublesome habit.

    You seem to like to strike at late or early hours, when the target of your words is unlikely to see. Returning to a fight long after you have punked out.

    These are the tactics of a coward.

  146. Boxlock
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    BlueJay posts:
    “You seem to like to strike at late or early hours, when the target of your words is unlikely to see. Returning to a fight long after you have punked out.
    These are the tactics of a coward.”

    NO dimwit, those are the actions, or “tactics” as you put it, of a person that works for a living and doesn’t sit on his ass all day blogging.

    And I have no idea what you are referring to with CrapOn. I have never threatened anyone with physical violence or anything else unless the law or authorities would agree with me.