Barack Obama hasn’t received any bounce yet from picking Joe Biden as his running mate. Gallup Poll tracking from Aug. 23 to 25 “shows 46 percent of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44 percent supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week’s standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.”
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Well duh, during the Democrat primaries and caucuses up until he dropped out, Biden consistently polled one to two percent among Democrat voters. He was keeping company in the back of the pack with such illustrious names as Chris (Countryside) Dodd, Mike Gravel, and dare I say, Dennis Kookcinich.
If he couldn’t excite his own party voters, how do you think he would ever excite independents and crossover republican voters?
It had to be a really stupid question if the elder statesman from Delaware was the answer!
Maybe, just maybe, people are getting tired of little barry the messiah. If he doesn’t get a bounce in the polls from the convention, he’s screwed.
There’s talk that McCain may pick Kay Bailey Hutchinson for his VP. She would tear Joe up in the VP debates!
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, from Texas. That would be a good choice! I hadn’t heard that “talk,” but glad to hear it now.
I like Biden and think he adds to the ticket exactly what he needs to add. McCain knows how much Biden knows — about lots of subjects!
McCain should definitely choose a Republican Senator! One from Texas. Since she is only 65 years young she will add youth to the ticket too! That’s the best “talk!” Started my day off perfectly!
McCain should select Bezelbub.
Well duh, during the Democrat primaries and caucuses up until he dropped out, Biden consistently polled one to two percent among Democrat voters.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=LJS2008082101
Yeah, curiously, Kerry got no post-convention “bounce” at all, even though his VP pick–John Edwards–was the clear second choice among voters, and ran neck-to-neck in the polls against Bush.
So these things are more complicated than we’d like to believe.
I think this nicely lays out the reality of such stats:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/latest_poll_reveals_430_new
One insightful response after watching the Democrats Convention last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDjOHYyCSg
No bounce after picking an “old white guy?”
Amazing!
Chucklesnort
Former Texas Rep. Charlie Wilson — yes, that Charlie Wilson — was speaking at an anti-war rally when he, um, flubbed a line:
“We should be led by Osama bin Laden,” he said, then quickly corrected himself. “I mean Obama and Biden.”
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, you’ll never live that one down.
Former Texas Rep. Charlie Wilson said,
“We should be led by Osama bin Laden,” he said, then quickly corrected himself. “I mean Obama and Biden.”
Heckler,
There is an undercurrent of that even with the Dems, and it will only increase. Interesting!
Maybe if the One hadn’t introduced him as “The next President of the United States, Joe Biden!…uh…oh…uh…The next VICE president of the United States…”
That cracked me up…
Did anyone else see that? I only got to see it one time then the networks all edited the clip and started it AFTER the flub…
Heh,heh….
Rage, I think you’re right! I had been wondering where I could find a clear, concise explanation of the “latest polls.” Best I’ve seen!
Obama shows his inexperience, McCain shows his senility. Neither one worth voting for. Sad situation if that is the best we could do out of 300 million. I was supporting Obaman, still trend a little that way, but more and more he has shown himself to be just another politician. Bending and wafting in the breeze. McCain is certianly no better, most likely worse. Obama is losing my vote, McCain will never get it. sucks.
Well, lj, I think we need to consider a few things.
The war for one.
The Supreme Court for two.
The collapsing healthcare system for three.
I have my own doubts, believe me.
But I have little doubt where the lesser evil lies.
The latest polling shows McCain ahead. I think that the public woke up and has taken a look at Obama. They realize that Obama has not been through anything or accomplished much, and ask why does this guy deserve to be president of the United States? He is simply a guy who speaks and presents well. Sort of like the political equivilent of cotton candy.
And McCain is high fiber cereal. Hard to digest.
A dispatch from the reality-based community –
McCain qualifications in brief
by Michael O’Hare
Category: John McCain
Mark is judging McCain by irrelevant standards; the question is how POW experience qualifies McCain for the White House, not whether it protects against little slips and mistakes. Let’s quickly review, remembering the lessons of history: every bad president in US history lacked POW experience, and not a single one was tortured:
Way underperforms father and grandfather (why do American dynasties almost always turn to weeds in the third generation, like the Bushes?…but that’s another post)
Really excellent prisoner-of-war
Near-failing college student
Distinguished prisoner-of-war
Lousy pilot (OK, more than a third of his five crashes weren’t his fault)
Competent prisoner-of-war
Faithless husband and skirt-chaser
Model prisoner-of-war
Mediocre to poor senator
Superb prisoner-of-war
Circulates in a cloud of shady lobbyists
Wowza prisoner of war
Clueless on too many issues to list
Prisoner of war for a really long time
Admitted econoramus (but has mastered the difference between Shia and Sunni)
Best prisoner-of-war ever; world champion gold medal!
Look at the record above: every one of McCain’s faults is balanced by a (i) much greater accomplishment, that (ii) really matches what a president does.
McCain is hands-down the ex-POW president America has been waiting for.
Obama & Biden over and out.
Good morning, Linda!
I think that Senator Hutchinson would be a very good choice.
However, Romney would pretty much garantee Michigan for him. Texas will go for him anyway. Kay would help him a little everywhere, but Michigan is currently a coin toss.
Kay would make Joe look like a ‘mean-ol-white-guy’ in the debates!
McCain is pulling even in the polls for one reason–negative attack ads work.
HW Bush stomped Dukkais with the Willie Horton ad. WorstPresidentEver won re-election thanks to the scurrilous and despicable Swift-Boat Liars.
Obama should be closely examining the small army of servants that the McCain’s hire–you can’t tell me that a guy who doesn’t know exactly how many properties he owns doesn’t have some undocumented workers on the payroll . . .
Besides, we still have the debates in which Grandpa will get to confuse the Shias and Sunnis once again.
Psst. . .Linda–stop helping them!
Oh, HI HANK!
Biden will just piss off Americans with his “America Sucks!” routines. Good choice Barry.
And the last four of McCain’s attack ads use Hillary Clinton’s words! The best kind of attack is the one you don’t have to make yourself but are handed the words on a silver platter by the opponents camp. Stay above the fray and let the attack come from within.
Rage, They don’t need any help! They know how to get elected, it’s the governing they are clueless about. Besides I really like this idea of Hutchinson! My only problem with Romney is that he isn’t a current Senator. Either of those two would be EXCELLENT choices! Might even be good enough to hurt the chances of being elected! ;-)
Will the Anbar province handover be held on the first or second day of the RNC? Will it be on stage, will mccain symbolically hand over the keys to the city? America waits with baited breath!
The difficult task that Obama faces is convincing a skeptical public that he knows what he’s doing and will be a more competent president than McCain, all while keeping the details at a level any moron can grasp.
McCain’s bizarre statements about basic world facts will help.
Good morning, Rage,
Ya’ll ain’t helping me, I just ordered a bumper sticker that says:
WE’RE SCREWED
IN ‘08
If he gives too much details, it’ll be lost on America. If he doesn’t repubs. will say ‘where were the details’?
And meanwhile Democrats destroy themselves. Sounds like the plan that has worked for the Republicans in the past! America suffers but they get the idiot with the “R” beside the name elected.
Ya’ll ain’t helping me, I just ordered a bumper sticker that says:
WE’RE SCREWED
IN ‘08
Heh, point taken, Hank.
After the last 8 yrs. very relevan bumber sticker!
Should say No matter who wins, we’re screwed in 08.
America suffers but they get the idiot with the “R” beside the name elected.
Well, that worked in the last two elections.
http://action.credomobile.com/comics/2008/08/i_dont_know_about_that_obama_f.html
“all while keeping the details at a level any moron can grasp”
Why do liberals always assume their base is so ignorant?
I thought the ones that needed to be convinced and wooed were the Independents who presumably haven’t decided?
Anybody else notice that the polls that THE EAGLE posts are all head to head match-ups.
The keep forgetting about the Conservative spoiler, Bob Barr.
Throw him in the mix, and things change radically.
Dems, the republicans TODAY are right- it is ominous indeed when Obama LOSES points during the convention.
How are you feeling now huh.
Like the Democrats are quite effective at tearing themselves apart and need no help!
“McCain is pulling even in the polls for one reason–negative attack ads work.”
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Let me see, there are now a few attack ads against the democrats and they are complaining. They have had attack ads ever since Bush won in 2000 through the mainstream media(NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN), every morning news talk show on the 3 major networks, The View, and even movies and 30 minute sitcoms not to mention even rap songs. That is 8 years of negative attack ads trying to influence the general public. And they are complaining about a few months of attack ads during the actual presidential campaign?! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
About Obama being down in the polls.
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I think we can attribute that to the early start of the campaign kick off. I believe it started early because the democratic party felt that the more time they had the more likely they could convince the public to vote for Hillary. However, it seemed to backfire when they chose Obama for their candidate. Now the extra time is just allowing the public to see what a loser they chose. Not only is he inexperienced but he has a bad rep for his relationships with the radical racist Jeremiah Wright and of course we can’t leave out his wife Michelle Obama. Michelle & Obama act like it was 40 or 50 years ago and say that America doesn’t give black people a chance but they both went to colleges like Princeton & Harvard where a lot of white people don’t even get to go to. And we can’t leave out his relationships with Louis Farakahn and Bill Ayers. If this was a republican candidate, just these two issues alone would have knocked him out of the race. Where is the MSM on this? NOWHERE!
How are you feeling now huh.
Translation: Nyaah-nyaah-nyaah-nyaah-nyaah!
Pardon me, but those of us who are adults are more concerned about the future of the country than continuing the usual schoolyard brawls.
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Rage
Posted August 27, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink
How are you feeling now huh.
Translation: Nyaah-nyaah-nyaah-nyaah-nyaah!
Pardon me, but those of us who are adults are more concerned about the future of the country than continuing the usual schoolyard brawls.
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Done a bug sweep of your office lately? :D
Done a bug sweep of your office lately? :D
Why bother? Most of what I do is already obtainable by the NSA.
Linda, having lived in Texas for 16 years, I can tell you that KBH is a con wingnut of the highest order. Most women in Texas, except for the bushco true believers, find her to be a sell out regarding women’s issues. A former Breck girl and a cheerleader at UT, she’s all form and no substance.
But she is the pet woman for the txgop!
God, where is Ann Richards when we need her?
Pmom and Linda, I thought you might like this link regarding Ann Richard’s daughter. She has no interest in running for office, but she stared the Texas Freedom Network to battle the texas taliban long before it was popular. Both she and her Mom saw the future of wingnuttia.
Oops. Forgot the linky.
http://mariaknows.blogspot.com/2008/08/cecile-richards-speaks-at-dnc.html
Like I said the other day. Ann Richards was the last REAL governor of Texas. When she was governor, one out of every four jobs created in the NATION were created in Texas.
Now THAT’s economic development!
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/08/25/2008-08-25_vietnam_vets_stirring_up_a_mccain_mutiny.html
They’re BAAAACK.
This time they’re after McCain.
RepubliCONs always forget how hard it is to control the monsters they create.
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Vietnam vets stirring up a McCain mutiny
Monday, August 25th 2008, 4:00 AM
Sen. John McCain commands support at many VFW halls across the country. But a squadron of Vietnam vets and POW/MIA advocates is strafing him with decidedly unfriendly fire.
Two-tour Green Beret Ted Sampley, who helped “Swift Boat” Democrat John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race, is now gunning for the GOP White House hopeful.
The organizer of Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain claims the Purple Heart-winning former POW has “never admitted the full extent to which he cooperated with his captors.” Sampley also charges that, in the 1990s, the “unstable” McCain, whom he calls “the Manchurian Candidate,” ignored “credible evidence” that American POWs were still alive in Southeast Asia.
“He wanted to normalize relations with Vietnam,” Sampley tells us. “He took away the only leverage we had for getting those soldiers back. Why? He was paying back the Vietnamese for keeping quiet about him.”
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Expect FOX News to give them hours of airtime like they gave the Swift-boaters last time.
Hehehe, yeah, right.
Rage–
The only office that Regular goes to is the welfare office.
Farmgrrl, my support of Hutchinson was tongue in cheek. I haven’t seen a person mentioned for McCain’s VP slot that I didn’t think would give ample opportunities for criticizing the ticket!
I’m disgruntled this morning. I think I need to have a longer than usual walk with my friend Ginger! Speaking of my canine pal, did you get your puppy?
I’ll love the link once I can get to a place where i can read it, but you’re right about KBH- the ‘woman’ is not an ally by any means.
I put her right up there with Phylis Schafly and Kay OConnor.
Karen Hughes?
By the way p.m., after hearing Hillary’s speech last night, I have a better understanding of how you feel, my Flaubert comment nonwithstanding.
With Kay Bailey Hutchinson, McCain looks a lot better to me.
It would be refreshing to have an election where both Vice Presidential candidates are people I know and trust.
Hutchinson might be able to talk some sense into McCain on my issues… MIGHT.
But sorry Farmgrrl, gotta politely disagree with you about KBH. I have worked with her and her staff on a regular basis, and she has always kept her word to us… and with all the money our enemies have, that takes a lot of guts.
One of the few people on either side of the aisle in Washington I trust.
Well Mr. C, to each his own. KBH is nothing if not the servant of business so I’m not surprised she has helped you. And that is not meant as criticism of you, my friend :)
My point was that even though she is a woman, she is no friend of women’s issues. She’s a taliban wingnut through and through.
Beber, I think it was you that mentioned Hughes’ name as being floated for SCOTUS? I could be wrong, but I didnt think Karen was a lawyer. She was a PR flack when she became shrub’s pet dog. Were you thinking of Harriet Miers for SCOTUS?
heheheh. Oh yeah, and I would LOVE it if Hughes were nominated for VP. An easy mark in the W column for obama if she is.
Linda, I’m picking up my new little girl on Saturday! I cant wait. My friends are planning a baby shower with dog bowls, leashes, bedding, etc.
HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEEE!
I think she might even grow up to be a good hunting dog, something I’ve wanted for a looooong time!
Yep, I think I got hughes and meiers confused.
Sorry for the OT. If you want to see a picture of my girl, click on the link, then on the top right, click on “Pinky and Violet had a Secret” to download the pics. My little one is named Summer.
Gawd I love puppies!
http://www.weimrescuetexas.org/
PeeMom,
I’m shocked that they didn’t consult you (and all your wisdom) before deciding to (presumably) nominate Osama..err, Obama.
chief counsel and chief of staff, I believe.
A few facts about karen hughes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Hughes
And harriet miers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Miers
Sampley also charges that, in the 1990s, the “unstable” McCain, whom he calls “the Manchurian Candidate,” ignored “credible evidence” that American POWs were still alive in Southeast Asia.
Another reason to not vote for McCain
“He wanted to normalize relations with Vietnam,” Sampley tells us. “He took away the only leverage we had for getting those soldiers back. Why? He was paying back the Vietnamese for keeping quiet about him.”
Pure speculation as to why. Means nothing to me. THe fact that he did what he did does mean something. Vote for none of the above
It’s becoming more and more obvious that Osama, errrr, Obama is getting little or no bounce from this week.
Writing on the wall…
ksfarmgrrl
Cute puppy! Enjoy the addition to your family!
“Vote for none of the above”
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’ll soon have The Moron and The Mormon team to contend with!
the “bounce” is all media hype. mc cain will see no bounce either. one thing sure to bounce is that big fat check to red china with a george bush signature. no way. no how. no mc cain.
Why hasn’t the Liberal Media given equal time to vietnam veterans against mccain, as they have to the author of Obamination, and Not fit for command?
Do they first need to write a book, and makes some bulk sales? Or do the first have to get a multimillionaire to fund the organization?
Phantom
Posted August 27, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink
Why hasn’t the Liberal Media given equal time to vietnam veterans against mccain, as they have to the author of Obamination, and Not fit for command?
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Oh, I dunno…
Perhaps because none of them were POW’s imprisoned with McCain and they are talking out of their ass?
CINDY!
If you listened to Biden during the primary debates, he was heads above all the other democratic candidates when discussing foreign policy! I am an independent voter, and I always thought he should be the VP, if not the President. His foreign policy expertise dwarfs McCain’s inexperience. You know, McCain has served this country, but being a veteran who served time as a POW does not give anyone an entitlement to the Presidency! Obama and Biden are what this country needs at this time.
Oh, I dunno…
Perhaps because none of them were POW’s imprisoned with McCain and they are talking out of their ass?
Didn’t stop the swiftboaters.
No bounce from Biden?
Awwwwww.
And the press drooled endlessly for days and days in antipation of the arrival of the Messiah’s chosen one too.
Darn it.
Such a shame.
The VP choice doesn’t matter.
I’m shocked I tell you.
Shocked.
Antipation?
Anticipation.
Which way is it Hillary? Obama, one way or the other.
What Hillary really thinks.
http://election.newsmax.com/mccain_3am.html?s=sp&promo_code=68A3-1
Biden bounce may come from tonight.
Oh yeah, from Biden a guy who got 5% of the Democrat vote, we will see a huge frickin B O U N C E !!!!!
Like the wise Southern California Oracle said – “Just because everything is different doesn’t mean anything has changed.”…