State Treasurer Lynn Jenkins’ GOP primary victory over former Rep. Jim Ryun was “another sign that, for the moment, moderate Republicans seem to be on the ascent” in Kansas, observes RealClearPolitics’ Reid Wilson in an article headlined “What’s Wrong With Kansas Republicans?” Further evidence: All seven top moderate Republican state senators who faced primary challengers won last week (though state Sen. Pete Brungardt, R-Salina, did so by only 202 votes), belying the conventional wisdom that conservatives own GOP primaries in Kansas.
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Kansans, like all Americans, have started to wake up to the realization that conservative policies are bad for the nation. Conservatives have weakened the economy, the military, shown impotence in responding to disasters, have weakened the Constitution, have driven up costs of consumer goods, and increased the unemployment rate. The only ones to benefit from conservative rule are corporations and the wealthy. It’s no surprise Republicans would reject a participant in that failure (Ryun) for the level headed Jenkins.
You can deal logically with moderate republicans. Its the neoconservatives who have taken over the republican party that need to be put back in the dark ages.
The marriage of the religious right and conservatives has been a disaster in the making, just like all the other times in American history when it occured, and it ended just like this time.
But moderates should pay clearly for their support of the hardliners. Not in Kansas likely, but nationally, they’re trying hard just to hold onto whatever face they have left.
I consider myself a right leaning moderate. I’m willing to bend on certain issues, gay rights/marriage, abortion and other issues. On other issues I’m a hard core conservative.
There is nothing wrong with being conservative. John F. Kennedy was a conservative with moderate leanings. His brother Robert was more liberal than moderate and the youngest brother Teddy is just out there in wacko Lib land. (however, I do like to listen to Ted Kennedy historical readings – quite interesting)
“I consider myself a right leaning moderate’
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA.
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Political_mama
Posted August 12, 2008 at 7:04 am | Permalink
“I consider myself a right leaning moderate’
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA.
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You don’t know how I vote do you?
You just assume.
Big deal. Incumbents win.
Conservatives won six of the seven open primaries in the Senate. That’s the real story.
Conservative primary winners:
Salmans
Zeller
Abrams
Pilcher-Cook
Colyer
Masterson
It’s time we all started coming more to the center and work together if we’re going to undo the damage of the last 8 years. The division and partisanship has really hurt our country.
Let’s remember that the main difference between a “moderate” and a “conservative” Republican is how they feel about killing babies in the womb.
People are throwing around the words “moderate” and “conservative” like their meaning is understood. Hogwash.
Pleased to be wondering what they do mean.
Anyone?
An important difference between conservative and moderate Republicans is the question of whether government works. I have had dealings with Lynn Jenkins and her Treasury Dept – and she provides a fine example of how government can and should work.
Conservatives think government should not work, set about making their ideology true, and then claim to victims of a government that taxes them, but doesn’t work. AKA the very definition of chutzpa.
Moderation in all things.
Terence (185 BC – 159 BC),.
You can deal logically with moderate republicans. Its the neoconservatives who have taken over the republican party that need to be put back in the dark ages.
Spot on P_Mom.
Fiscally responsible
Socially liberal
Small government
Non-interventionist.
Conservatives think government should not work
Absolutely false. True conservatives believe in a small federal government. What have you seen happen in the past 7 years re the size of government? There hans’t been a true conservative around for a while.
Agreed Sol. It’s good to see the real RINO’s finally having to share the conservative title for a change.
Yes, yes!! Keep it single-issue, Kansas Republicans! I am sure that will work again!!! Keep it up.
Looks like the RINOs are taking back the party.
Interesting development out here. Last week, it appeared Virginia Beemer, a conservative of the wingnut variety, had beatern her moderate opponent Don Hineman in the 118th District House primary. Beaten him by FIVE votes.
Today, after the canvassing of votes yesterady, it appears Hineman may have won by 18 votes. Beemer can ask for a recount before five pm today. We’ll see if she does. But…
This is the wingnuttiest of the wingnut districts. If a moderate beats a conservative incumbent out here, that CANT be good for the cons.
I’m popping the popcorn right now….
Oh, and the democrats out here were on the side line NO democrat has even RUN for the damn seat in eight years. Beemer has had NO democratic opposition for the last two elections.
Thanks tim peterson and the kdp. She was beatable.
“There hans’t been a true conservative around for a while.” — Sol
Apparently, there’s never been one around.
Oh, and according to virginia, the number one issue her constituents cared about when she ran the first time?
Gay marriage.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
how’s that a workin’ for ya ginny?
Policy is what matters.
Legislation is what matters.
Before the “Christian Right” got involved in Kansas GOP politics, Abortionist George Tiller virtually owned the Kansas Republican Party.
Tiller often went on hunting trips with former Republican Governor Mike Hayden.
Tiller appeared at nearly every Republican fundraiser.
Many “moderate” members of the legislature openly campaigned for Democrats, in neighboring districts, or in their own districts, when that “moderate” Republican retired.
The party organizations gave little or no support to prolife Republicans.
— Now, having said all of this, I fully realize that there were excesses on MY side as well.
However, the Conservative Republicans in Kansas are FAR more in tune with the National Republican Party, and the Platform OF that Party, NOW, then they were back when all of this started.
How many seats in the legislature did the Democrats hold, prior to the “Christian Right” getting involved?
Again, legislation and issues are what matter.
On that score, the conservatives are STILL pushing that ball forward.
KFG…what is it with the name Beemer being nutjobs? That Jan Beemer person is head of the “southwind” group that has as its goal outlawing all pornography everywhere.
Maybe the nutjobs are related?
Franklin: I can appreciate your desire to show the Christian Right as being a necessary evil within the Republican Party. But that dog ain’t gonna hunt.
George Tiller did not own the Republican Party. That is not reason talking. It is just your passion against abortion. It’s fine to have that passion. But it can’t pose very well as reason.
Hunting trips and fundraisers do not equate to virtually owning the party. More and more people are starting to see that politics of fear as the fear that it is.
If “moderate” leftist Republicans are getting to strong, why did the “moderate” Kansas Traditional Republican Majority need to distribute a mean, misleading, hit-piece political ad accusing conservative Republicans of being would-be racist KKK members, just before August 5?
By the way, pro-abortion Republicans are all Planned Parenthood supporters, and therefore all racist bigots and supporters of eugenics and Naziism, based upon Planned Parenthood’s stated criminal goals, written by Margaret Sanger and verified by surveys, to reduce the black population through contraception, abortion, and consequently through higher infant mortality during the first year of life, cause the abortion’s risk of later premature birth.
LVET
Tiller DID control the Republican Party.
Tiller was a major contributor.
The MAJORITY of the Sedgwick County legislative delegation was clearly in Tiller’s pocket.
Why can politicians be branded as:
“In the pocket of ‘big oil’”
OR
“In the pocket of the trial lawyers”
OR
“In the pocket of — fill in the blank”
But we never seem to want to admit that there is financial gain, for a politician, in being “pro-choice”???
The Choicers have the money, and the Prolifers have the volunteers. That is just the way it is.
By the way, I did NOT enter politics due to the abortion issue. I have been politically active my entire adult life.
Reason and common sense dictate my beliefs.
I have posted, previously, that I have had several heated debates with those I consider “radical” on the prolife side of the issue.
parkay – vote third party in November.
It pains me to see our current Republican party being called, “Conservatives”. They are nothing of the sort and it’s absurd on the face of it.
Conservatism has not been practiced in this country for a long time.
I like to look at the political spectrum from a different point of view. I’m not partial to left vs right. I prefer to see it as big government vs small government.
On one side of the spectrum you have totalitarianism and on the other side of the spectrum you have anarchy.
In the middle you have an oligarchy, democracy, and republic.
We are currently in the democracy realm, but we are slowly drifting to a larger government, oligarchy.
We all know that America is supposed to be a republic that follows the rule of law (constitution), but that’s not the case as evidenced by the policies our country have adopted.
Both parties advocate a larger role for government. It is a shame that we don’t have a voice for smaller government. We haven’t had one for a long time.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our mind.
That’s nice Franklin. You think that he did. And you can say that until you are blue in the face. That doesn’t make it true. It only makes it your opinion based on your passion.
And by the way. Nobody is going to call the police because you said in the pocket. Your authorized. You can claim that Wichita’s legislation was in Tiller’s pocket. It just doesn’t make it true.
Parkay: Did you vote for Karl Cramer in 2006?
LLVET
And, you saying it is not true does not make it not true.
I lived it.
I was very, very involved.
I went from supporting Bob Dole, against Pat Robertson, back when George W. got the nomination —-
To using what I had learned, from the “moderates” to help the conservatives.
I was in the planning sessions, when absolutely paranoid “choicers” and “moderates” within the Republican Party talked trash about the Evangelicals and Conservatives and Catholics who were trying to get Pat Robertson nominated.
When Bob Dole finally WAS nominated, several years later, I had switched sides.
I switched for a reason: The ProChoice wing of the party was unfair and radical and dishonest, and disloyal, at that time.
Conservatives gave Bob Dole a GREAT convention, we did not cause any trouble for him at all.
Again, I lived it. I was there. I know what happened. I was INTIMATELY involved in the strategy sessions, held by BOTH sides.
I remember putting up more yard signs for Mike Hayden than anyone else in the State of Kansas.
I remember Mike Hayden sending in a PERFECT survey to Right to Life of Kansas (The somewhat naive, but more radical, prolife group in Kansas).
I remember Kansans for Life, the more politically skilled organization, informing me that Hayden had lied, on that survey.
I remember Republicans office holders, in Sedgwick County and in other Counties, OPENLY going door to door and endorsing DEMOCRATS!
I lived it.
It IS true.
Paul – I have also seen Democrats endorse Republicans. Some of us vote for the person, not the label.
Tiller is a Republican so it would make sense that he supports Republican who he likes
That’s nice Franklin. I still don’t see how George Tiller was responsible for any of this. However, If you think that they were “absolutely paranoid choicers” then I will have to agree to disagree.
But regarding Pat Robertson, I wouldn’t want a President who claimed that the Prime Minister to Israel had a stroke due to “God’s vengence for giving away God’s land.”
Now would you consider the statment that I just made regarding Pat Robertson to be “Talking Trash?”
Tiller is not welcome at Republican Party fundraisers anymore. He knows this. His checks get returned.
Ben, the events I just laid out have much to with the election vitory of Prolife Democrat Joan Finney.
The Republican ProChoicers were actively supporting Democrats, and we were all supposed to ignore it.
The resulting rebellion helped elect Joan Finney.
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Whoops, correction, it was George H.W. Bush (Bush 1) who Robertson and Dole both ran against, years ago.
LVet
I already posted that I actively supported Dole over Robertson, in the Kansas Caucuses. (For all the good it did — George H.W. Bush won, eventually)
Every political candidate says some dumb things.
Lately, I have been mad at Robertson for his stupid “global warming” statements.
Even so, our system of government tends to “throw out the high and the low score” much like the old Olympic scoring system.
Our system of government tends to moderate the radical views. I don’t often worry about a few radical statements in an elected official—
As long as the MSM is willing to TELL us these radical views and statements.
Third trimester abortion is, in almost all cases, a radical proceedure with very little justification.
Our media covers up the truth about Tiller.
This is why the law in Kansas, even after Prolife Democrat Joan Finney tried to fix it, is STILL the most liberal in the nation.
There is a difference between neocons and conservaatives. But, frankly, in terms of results, I don’t see a big difference. Neocons grow the government, staff it with cronies (”Heck of a job, Brownie”), and either intentionally or unintentionally cause the government to not work. Recently, we could not even tell where the salmonella outbreak came from. A basic public health function of the government was not working – which could be a problem for everybody.
Conservatives (”true conservatives”, if there really is such a thing) are more honest about wanting to shink government. They are more honest than neocons when they demonize government.
Under both neocons and conservatives government does not work, but one pays more for it under the neocons – to wit: our growing national debt these past 8 years. The neocons have more of an interventionist mind set when it comes to foreign policy which is pretty expensive.
Another area the concerns me is that the Federal government has thrown a lot of money at Homeland Security – money (portions of which) they used to give to local law enforcement. Across Kansas, it would be my impression, local law enforcement is less well staffed, less able to respond to community needs – and this affects the quality of life for all citizens.
Taking the last 8 years into account, I would prefer the approach of conservatives over neocons.
I don’t know about that. Reagan was the conservative poster child, yet he too grew govt.
and the deficit.
It’s not a question of how big or how much, but who is the net beneficiary of govt. growth.
Parkay is a republican. He’s yours guys.
Im still trying to figure out how the Republicans plan on running the county gov. Their nominee for Sheriff wants to spend 56 million on a bigger jail while their County Commission candidate is against spending any new money or raising taxes.
Tom
The Sheriff could just do what Democrats always do:
Find an inmate to take the Commissioners to court, lol!
Neoconservativism has its roots in the Democratic Party, not the Republican party.
Know your history.
Franklin: I’m surprised that such litigation hasn’t been filed recently (without regard to the “party in power”).
Problem here is that people think Conservatives are some monolithic group when their are several conservative sub groups and yes they dont always get agree Economic Conservatives don’t always agree with the Social Conservatives Illegal immigration would be a good example. then Law and Order Conservatives who want Large Military, strong police certainly the antithesis of small government, in fact Small government usually isn’t a part of conservatism at lest in practice. Social Conservatives want the Government outlaw things like Abortion,porn, gambling, restrict gays, generally support censorship for movies, books, TV that they dont like. Law and Order Conservatives want a Large Military, lots of police all that cost lots of money, Economic Conservatives want the government for protection, Loans etc. In fact you see many conservatives spend their lives working for the government
Maybe cause the inmate would have an accident while in jail if they sue? Killing off or beating into a coma inmates, hasn’t been a problem with deputies before. Plus jail isn’t supposed to be comfortable
I did find it Odd that the day after winning his first election Peterjohn was open to raising the sales tax.
Regular
Posted August 12, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
Neoconservativism has its roots in the Democratic Party, not the Republican party.
Know your history.
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Dad-Gum it Regular. Quit that. I hate having to agree with you. Especially about the old Dixiecrats.
Republican while that is true, it is the exact opposite today. And today is what matters.
Look for the Democratic candidates to suggest some alternatives to jail expansion.
Yes Ben, like crowding the jails more. Or perhaps you could ask the good sheriff in Arizona. I don’t think he has to worry about overcrowded jails much. Pink Shorts for the inmates who snivel. I like the way he thinks.
Remember, a good fraction are there in pre-trial detention – not convicted of anything.
It’s hard for me to believe there hasn’t been litigation filed over the Arizona sheriff’s ways of doing things. BTW, does anyone know what the recidivism rate is in that jurisdiction?
For Sedgwick County, what Ben has posted is the case; the great majority of inmates are in pretrial incarceration.
Arpaio is one tough sheriff with a hard lined approach in dealing with
his inmates. But who can argue with a man who has a recidivism rate of
about 16% at Tent City vs. the national average of 85%.
Sheriff Joe has had riots and I remember him blowing up at Bill O’riley cause he thought his deputies had to have sex with prostitutes to get convictions. Plus the tent city is for people convicted of crimes Phoenix still has a jail for pre trial detention and dangerous criminals who need to be sequestered
Question is, Tom, did the deputies have to pay?
According to wiki the Phoneix DA tossed out 70 arrests, couldnt find the Vid on youtube but remember watching it
I’m surprised nothing has been mentioned in the local news about the the spread of MRSA in the local and surrounding area jails.
Wanna scare somebody straight? That could do it.
“Arpaio is one tough sheriff with a hard lined approach in dealing with
his inmates. But who can argue with a man who has a recidivism rate of
about 16% at Tent City vs. the national average of 85%.” — fleetwood
Recidivism rates — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism
“Arpaio has been in his current job for 14 years. He says the recidivism rate for his prison facility, located in the outskirts of Phoenix, Arizona, is about the national average, or, 60-70%. “ — http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/12/sherriff_joe_arpaio.html
Fleetwood, you are one *-filled goose.
MRSA?
beber- From your own link.
“Arpaio calls drugs the greatest driver of crime in the nation. With that, he has instituted a program called ALPHA. The drug program for inmates results in a recidivism rate among graduates in the area of only 13-15%.”
Fleets enema you lied flat out. The special programs all have lowered recidivism rates, which specifically is AGAINST what you are arguing. WE..the libs…argue that reform programs are good while you argue that they need to be punished more harshly which has been shown NOT to work…such as with the overall recidivism rate. The last thing you want are a lot of angry inmates.
MRSA is Methycillan Resistant Staph Aureus. It’s the super-staph infection that can be fatal because it is resistant to antibiotics. And it is in every prison. The state ignores what it needs to do to contain the problem so it keeps on being passed from person to person.
So until a lawsuit happens *and yes, inmates can sue for that sort of thing* the problem will go unresolved. You know because they don’t want to ask the taxpayers for enough money to even staff correctly, you think they’re going to be disinfecting the place all the time?
So, a low rate for the ALPHA program, but the national average or thereabouts otherwise. Thanks for the information.
The drug program for inmates results in a recidivism rate among graduates in the area of only 13-15%.” — fleetwood
Yes I knew you would come up with that. It may even be true, but that’s not what you claimed. You remain a shit-filled goose.
thanks p-mama. It’s good to know that fleett is not advocating such druggie-coddling bleeding heart liberal programs like ALPHA. When I mentioned that we should look to see some alternatives being proposed by Democrats this fall in Dedgwick county I didn’t anticipate that fleett would be on our side.
MRSA infection seems to be a rather severe punishmant for simply being ACCUSED of something.
It gets more confusing when you try to find out if Arpaio’s ALPHA program is the same as the Christian Alpha program. I suspect Arpaio has ripped off the name, and made up an acronym to match to coast on Alpha’s reputation. I’m not going to look all night but the only source I can find that claims the success rate for ALPHA that Arpaio does is Arpaio himself, or Arpaio as represented in blogs.
Here is a site extolling the virtues of the ALPHA program. — http://www.maricopa.gov/dist1/alpha%20brochure.pdf
And here’s one describing the Christian program — http://alpha.ncf.ca/prisonvisit.html
Now I don’t know if the Maricopa County program is a part of the international Alpha program, but if not Arpaio ripped off the name, and more than likely is claiming the same success rate as a program many say actually works. If so, Arpaio is claiming success for an all-volunteer program he had nothing to do with.
Now then Fleetwood, if you choose to live in the blogosphere, that’s your business, but you should at least learn that a goose stepper shits gooseshit.
“And it is in every prison.So until a lawsuit happens *and yes, inmates can sue for that sort of thing* the problem will go unresolved.”
Which type of MRSA is in prisons?
Reason I ask is I have four family members in the medical profession and we have been aware for years the threat facing patients and healthcare providers.
“Most MRSA infections occur in hospitals or other health care settings, such as nursing homes and dialysis centers. It’s known as health care-associated MRSA, or HA-MRSA. Older adults and people with weakened immune systems are at most risk of HA-MRSA. More recently, another type of MRSA has occurred among otherwise healthy people in the wider community. This form, community-associated MRSA, or CA-MRSA, is responsible for serious skin and soft tissue infections and for a serious form of pneumonia.”
” A 2007 report from the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology estimated that 46 out of every 1,000 people hospitalized are infected or colonized with MRSA.”
“Outbreaks of CA-MRSA have occurred in military training camps and in American and European prisons.
In addition to these risk factors, CA-MRSA is also spreading through certain groups of gay men. A study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine found a new strain of MRSA spreading rapidly among gay men in Boston and San Francisco. For example, gay men in San Francisco were 13 times more likely to be infected than others in the city.”
Or course our healthcare providers face a risk from both. Many assume they are carriers.
I guess I don’t understand someone associating MRSA in particular with prisons.
“The state ignores what it needs to do to contain the problem…”
So are hospitals and healthcare professionals ignoring the problem? I guess I don’t see where the state is deliberately ignoring this issue – or failing to do something about it.
I believe healthcare officials need to do a better job educating the public, as well as any leaders in a position to do something about it.
I don’t think the “state” is ignorning the issue.
They may be not fully aware or have not been educated on the problem. Again, that education starts with the healthcare professionals.
It sounded to me like you are making it sound like the state is deliberately allowing these infection to spread in prisons in particular. If you are in prison, like being a patient in a hospital, you are at a higher risk.
One problem in jail is tha they make it very difficult to get medications in many cases. A preventive detainee can request to see a DR and they then ignore it for days. This seems to be policy there.
Difficulty in getting medications doesn’t increase their exposure risk for getting MRSA. It must be something else. Getting off thread topic sorry.
Oh dear dear AmWay, you really are unschooled in this aren’t you?
Because we know only the healthiest populations are in prison, living in tight quarters, with inpatient clinics of their own..no not any sort of breeding ground for staph infections huh? What percentage of the prison population has TB, Hepatitis (any variety), AIDS, etc? And you seriously don’t think the state KNOWS that there is MRSA in prisons?
enema must have gotten flushed down the toilet.
“belying the conventional wisdom that conservatives own GOP primaries in Kansas.”
Not sure if the editor and bloggers are grasping at straws on this one. You live in a republican state and have been posting for months about the death of the republican party and your dream really of a growing blue trend. Many of you have ventured to go so far as to post your hatred of those of the conservative or republican belief.
So again, is there such a thing as a “good” republican, and does that definition include the so-called “moderate” republican.
So this is a good thing?
And really what is a “moderate” republican? What traits do these candidates have? What track record? And does this mean blue people will vote red, instead of for the democrats candidate?
Wishful thinking?
” know only the healthiest populations are in prison, living in tight quarters, with inpatient clinics of their own”
Sorry Pmomma, you are just as likely to get MRSA in a hospital or medical environment as you are in prison. Don’t make it sound like the state is trying to kill inmates by disease.
I never said they didn’t KNOW. If they are not actively taking preventive measures, (they can’t take the one hospitals are taking – and that is cutting stays short), then whose fault is that?
The two posts I’ve seen here are all I’ve seen on it. And I get my newspaper from a prison town in Kansas.
If this is an issue, like any other issue – it takes active (DO SOMETHING) participation by concerned citizens to get the word out.
The “state” (whomever THAT is), does not have a crystal ball. Once you get someones attention, then it has to be prioritized. Let’s see, do I continue to pay my corrections officers DIRT, but increase healthcare for INMATES? Do I spend more on inmate healthcare – or child programs?
There isn’t a sinister plot going on here. There may be ignorance, but healthcare professionals need to publicly educate us to get us excited. Also inmates need to be educated. How does it spread? Is there a higher incidence of male on male sex in prison that is contributing to the spread? Are inmates not washing their hands?There are many things which need to be done.
Most people will not see a threat to their way of life, from those inside the walls. And yes, dear, I know how the infection spreads. Did you catch my post on family members? This has been around for years.
Good story in the most recent New Scientist on this very substance. Also, ten quarts of maggots can be distilled down to a new anti-biotic effective against just about everything.
Is it also called “houch” Beber?
hooch
“Also, ten quarts of maggots can be distilled down to a new anti-biotic effective against just about everything.”
Not really surprising. Maggots have been used successfully in treating infected wounds. Yhe maggots will eat PRECISELY the dead flesh and they are somehow immune from the germs. So, it is likely that they would contain some sort on natural antibiotic.
Objectivist states >>>>
“Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our mind.”
Obama has said >>>>
WE are who WE have been waiting for… Guess Objectivist must like Obama’s approach, since he/she agrees with it!!