Talk about a touchy subject. Eyebrows are raising about John McCain’s use of the “POW card” to defend himself about not knowing how many houses he owns. On Monday, for example, he answered Jay Leno’s quip about it with “I spent 5½ years in a prison cell. I didn’t have a house. I didn’t have a kitchen table. I didn’t have a table. I didn’t have a chair.” The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Dick Polman suggested “McCain’s candidacy is basically a noun, a verb and POW.” Even before McCain’s latest “Tonight Show” appearance, the New York Times’ Maureen Dowd wrote: “His campaign is cheapening his greatest strength — and making a mockery of his already dubious claim that he’s reticent to talk about his POW experience — by flashing the POW card to rebut any criticism, no matter how unrelated.”
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Kinda like Gulliano (sp) with 9/11.
Ya think? What else has he got?
Songbird was a POW? Collaborator and traitor is what I’ve been hearing.
Maybe he’ll pick Jane Fonda as his running mate.
Songbird Sydney and Hanoi Jane would make a great team.
McCain jumped the POW shark when he blamed his love of ABBA on having spent time in a North Vietnamese prison.
From here on out, McCain skirts on the edge of self-caricature, which potentially is a fatal place for any candidate, but even more so for one as one-dimensional as John McCain.
“Is McCain overusing the ‘POW card’?”
Well, yeah.
And just HOW, for any rational person, is it an experience that qualifies him to be President?
He was held for 5 years in the most brutal of conditions, tortured physically and mentally.
That HAS to have left very deep and permanent scars.
You give him medals for that. You see to his tender care for the rest of his life for that.
You do not put such a broken individual in the most powerful office on the planet.
Short term memory loss is one of the first indicators of dementia. McCain speaks often of his distant past because he can’t remember clearly or consistently anything more recent. In fct, which of these early indicators does he NOT exhibit?
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Dementia is a serious brain disorder that interferes with a person’s ability to carry out everyday tasks.
* The key feature of dementia is a decline in cognitive functions. These are mental processes such as thinking, reasoning, learning, problem solving, memory, language, and speech.
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* Other features that occur frequently in dementia include changes in personality and behavior.
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* Generally, these symptoms are not considered dementia unless they have continued unabated for at least 6 months.
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* Dementia has many different causes. Some may be reversible, such as certain infections, drug intoxication, and liver diseases. Of the irreversible causes, the most common in older adults is Alzheimer disease.
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* Although dementia is frequently linked to old age (“getting senile”), it is not a normal part of aging. Even children with certain degenerative brain disorders can develop dementia.
Ok Linda. Now you are scaring me. About ME!
On your way to check smell mail with your girl?
POW, 9/11, POW, 9/11, maybe Republicans can whine about something else than playing the victim. Perhaps McCain is pointing out that he’s different than other Republicans because he spent time in prison before getting into public office, not after.
Yes, we’re going out early since it looks to be a hot one. She and I are getting to be fair-weather types. There is a park nearby and Ginger is so well behaved I allow her to be off leash in our little park. While she runs, checks her smell mail and makes sure NO squirrels are on the ground (they belong in trees!) I pick up after humankind. Adds bending over to the walking. We have the tidiest little park in Wichita.
“Perhaps McCain is pointing out that he’s different than other Republicans because he spent time in prison before getting into public office, not after.”
Hee. Hee. Hee. HEEEEEEE. Good one!
“I pick up after humankind.”
You wouldnt be looking for a farm job, would ya? We could use come picking up out here, too!
I heard my girl got her first bath yesterday, and she was completly insulted by the whole process. She thinks she is a BIG girl and should be above such indiginities!
And our farm dog, Lucky, thinks cats belong in the barn, chickens in the coop, rabbits on the perimeter, cows in the corral, and humans in the big house. She says it’s a full time job keeping everyone in their place.
I agree!
And, when is someone going to tell us what qualification being a POW adds to a resume? No one has ever been able to do that! They start with “character” and then when reminded of McCain’s more recent character, everyone realizes IF he gained anything while a POW he’s lost that too!
He’s ready to be indicted on day 1?
It is possible to honor mcsame for his service, have compassion for his injuries and his suffering, and STILL think he’s just not qualified to be president.
But.. that would require forming a string of thoughts that might be too long for the average repuke, er, reptilian, er republician brain….
(Damn, I wish I knew how to do that crossing out thing that MonkeyHawk uses so effectively!)
Well JR, that is probably true, but we’d have to have a speaker of the house with some integrity in order for that indictment to happen. ‘Cause with four more years, instead of four more months, the DOJ will be reduced to issuing parking tickets…
I spent a week at summer camp once, I hope I get chosen to lead the Department of the Interior based on my extensive experience. Maybe I can shoplift something and spend some time in jail so I can be qualified to be President, just like McCain.
BlueJay,
It is interesting, is it not, that McCain was broken twice in his life: first by the North Vietnamese, and then by lowlifes like Karl Rove in the 2000 Bush campaign. And the result each time was to dociley fall in line behind the one or ones who broke him; he taped confessions for the North Vietnamese, and adopted a whole different ideological persona in order to secure Rove’s cooperation for the current campaign.
Of these two reversals,the first is.completely excusable, given the physical duress involved. But to acquiesce to those who impugned one’s family, in hopes of personal gain, bespeaks a startling lack of constancy in one’s character.
However brutal it is to say so, Rove correctly sized up John McCain as a broken man and broke him again in 2000. It strikes me as no idle matter that an arch-shrewd manipulator like Rove has such direct access to John McCain’s fragile, demonstrably unstable psyche.
True that CF.
A subject treated with comic relief in the animated program “Lil bush”
The lil’ cons, annoyed with lil’ McCain’s irritating straight talk ultimately ….fix him.
Their finished product is true to life. A drooling bushbot zombie who can only stammer “I support george w. bush and all of his policies!”
His choice of VP will be telling of whether he has been broken a third time.
Duh Libs must actually think there is someone to read their rantings outside of the few bloggers .
Self massaging must be the in thing for them now.
He was held for 5 years in the most brutal of conditions, tortured physically and mentally.
Not true. His injuries happened directly after being shot down. Once he started working for the NVA, he was treated well.
Question is why ins’t anyone asking about the 5 aircraft lost under McCain’s control?
Patronizing chuckle….
How dare anyone criticize John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) for playing the POW card!
Don’t you know that for five-and-a-half-years he wasn’t allowed to play cards at all?!
(I should work for Fox News)
KFG,
Heads up on an emale email.
Scratch that scratch. This place sucks.
wordpressHa!
McCainRegular, having nothing to say to defend McCain like all the other CONs who are saying nothing, then attacks the Libs for posting to each other.
The right wing–damns you if you do, and damns you if you don’t.
Thanks Rox! I wont steal it from MH since he uses it so well, but I’m glad I know how to do it!
Why should I comment on this thread Crapn?
Rhonda already poisoned the well with her innuendo and slanted comments.
If duh Libs want to bash an honorable man, who suffered as a POW, then go ahead.
As has been said before, it’s part of the permanent record once written.
Short term memory loss is one of the first indicators of dementia.
Oh, well, I’m done for. Get me a room in the local dementia ward.
‘My Friend, The reason I’m reluctant to talk about being a POW, is because it is so intensley personal.” ‘Non then, to answer your question about (fill in the blank) let me tell you when I was in that tiny cubicle being beaten everyday, with no one to talk to,…. and, that’s why I’m uniquely qualified to be your preznit”
Hell, Capn, there’s nothing here to respond to. This thread has truly been just a liberal circle-jerk, indulging in your little fantasies.
Where there is comment of substance, I may respond. There isn’t.
As I sit here and read over this thread, I have exactly the same reaction I have when I saw the bit on the loonies trying to “levitate” the Denver Mint the other day, or the idiot trying to stop “bird porn.”
Big eyeroll. Note that moonbats say the most bizarre things. And thankfulness that these sorts of children are not generally in charge.
Pretty bad when Rhonda (a diehard Republican) thinks McShame is a sham.
McShame really isn’t even fit to clean toilets much less be President (although cokehead Bush lowered the bar pretty far).
“ksfarmgrrl” –
It’s not as if you’re stealing it. And it’s really not as if you’re stealing it from me.
I try to use it as
a cheap joke device that helps get a laughspices in the kitchen: with subtlety and flair.STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!GMC70,
Dripping unwarranted smugness as usual, I see. Did the Federalist Society meeting just let out?
It turns out that in addition to McCain’s intense obsessive-compulsive disorder that forces him to carry “lucky” coins and a rabbit’s foot, he also is said to become unhinged at the sound of jangling keys.
Remember the despicable “purple heart bandaids” at the Republican convention last time, mocking and demeaning Kerry’s medals (and by extension any soldier whoever earned a purple heart)
Some Democratic smart-alecs thought it’d be good payback for that to jangle keys whenever McCain’s name is mentioned.
The powers-that-be quickly nixed that idea and have kept the Dem Convention on a high and dignified plane.
We don’t do unto them what was done unto us.
As far as Reguliar’s contention that “duh Libs want to bash an honorable man, who suffered as a POW” . . .
I guess he missed Biden’s speech last night in which he called McCain, “a friend . . . not just a political friend, but a true friend,” who called McCain “heroic in his service to his country.”
Wow. Some bashing. The next thing you know, they’ll call him a Republican!
CF -
The train of thought exhibited on this thread makes being “smug” pretty easy. And entirely warranted, thank you.
Don’t you need to get back to Kos for your mandated talking points now?
Sol,
While I do agree that McCain’s reckless career as a fly-boy has yet to receive the attention it deserves, I won’t deny that he was tortured early on in his captivity. Being deprived of medical attention following serious injury counts as torture in my book.
Sad, now that it’s politically adventageous for him to do so, that McCain now identifies with the perpetrators of torture rather than the victims. And did I hear right that one of his former NVA torturers endorses his candidacy?
“CapnAmerica” notes –
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) “…is said to become unhinged at the sound of jangling keys.”
I’ve seen that kind of behavior with a few of my buds who are
survivorsveterans of The ‘Nam. One guy had to move away from a house near a hospital because the sound of Life Flight choppers triggered panic attacks.I suspect the jangling keys might affect a former POW, but it’s also like something out of the Manchurian Candidate, isn’t it?
Even worse, it makes him anti- Captain Kangaroo!
CapnAmerica
Posted August 28, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink
As far as Reguliar’s contention that “duh Libs want to bash an honorable man, who suffered as a POW” . . .
I guess he missed Biden’s speech last night in which he called McCain, “a friend . . . not just a political friend, but a true friend,” who called McCain “heroic in his service to his country.”
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I watched the speech and not the one who stirred the pot today.
Time and again, Democratic leaders have said McCain’s POW experience and military service should not be questioned, second guessed or made light of.
But then, the Democratic leadership doesn’t monitor the comments of the WE bloggers.
Libs love the ugliness of personal attack and character assassination.
It demonstrates so much about their own personal character.
GMC70,
CF2K isn’t a KOSsack; try again.
Though your non-response suggests that you ARE a member of the Federalist Society. How’s that going for you, GMC70, the whole election-stealing thing and all?
CF,
If you haven’t already been here…
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
And let’s don’t forget that under the Cheney/Shrub Doctrine, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) was NOT tortured.
He was merely interviewed with “enhanced interrogation techniques.”
CF–
The Onion is going to pick this up soon, no doubt.
Former Sadistic Guard Has Nothing but Praise for McCain
“The way he refused to flinch when we hit him with cables was truly courageous,” said the guard. “That guy made you work. It took hours to get him to sob like a baby. Most captives broke down much more quickly . . . ”
“Nobody wanted McCain duty because we knew we’d feel it the next day,” he said with a smile.
Former Congressmen Warn Troops: As Senator McCain Abandoned American POWs Trapped in Indochina; as President He’ll Abandon You
Special to the U.S. Veteran Dispatch
By former U.S. Congressmen Bill Hendon (R-NC)
and John LeBoutillier (R-NY)
August 16, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/25/2008-08-25_convention_confidential_mccain_being_swi.html
Here’s a suggestion for the RNC. When it’s time for John S.(Songbird) Mccain to accept the nomination, he descends from the ceiling in a bird cage! That’d one up the dems. by a long shot.
Regular notes:
Time and again, Democratic leaders have said McCain’s POW experience and military service should not be questioned, second guessed or made light of.
Correct.
And this stands in marked contrast to the Bush administration who said nothing while their proxies, the Swift Boat Liars, dissed and ridiculed Kerry’s service.
And when the Republicans wore their purple heart bandaids at the last convention?
Regular said nothing, even though he himself is a disabled vet.
Take the log out of your own eye before you speak about motes in ours . . .
Vietnamese tell international press that POW McCain was “singled out for softer treatment”
A former Vietnamese Communist Party official is claiming Sen. John McCain was “quickly singled out for softer treatment” as a POW because “he was the son of an American admiral. Phung Van Chung, 70, who was a Communist Party official at the time McCain was captured said “top” Vietnamese leaders wanted to use McCain “for negotiations.” Chung also said McCain is refusing “to acknowledge” the heroism of Mai Van On, a Vietnamese peasant who the Vietnamese say swam out during the bombing raid and rescued McCain from drowning. McCain’s refusal to publicly recognize Mai Van On for saving “his life” has some in the media speculating that McCain is afraid that to do so would “fuel other, more damaging allegations that McCain exaggerated elements of his PoW ordeal in Hoa Lo prison.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542277/How-war-hero-John-McCain-betrayed-Vietnamese-peasant-saved-life.html
“Time and again, Democratic leaders have said McCain’s POW experience and military service should not be questioned, second guessed or made light of.”
Wasn’t bush saying the same thing about Kerry, while the right relentlessly crucified him?
Once Mccain introduced the POW experience into the campaign, it became fair game, and the media should do something it never has done, examine it. If the Kremlin and VN have incriminating and embarassing dossiers on mccain, how can he be an effective president?
Here you go Crapn, what Bush said about the attacks on Kerry.
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MSNBC staff and news service reports
updated 7:03 p.m. CT, Mon., Aug. 23, 2004
CRAWFORD, Texas – President Bush on Monday criticized a commercial that accused John Kerry of inflating his own Vietnam War record, more than a week after the ad stopped running, and said broadcast attacks by outside groups have no place in the race for the White House.
“I think they’re bad for the system,” added Bush, who had ignored calls to condemn the ad while it was on the air.
Yeah, KanNative, things got quiet from Regular’s corner.
If you’re waiting for an apology or even an acknowledgement that you have a valid point, you’ll be waiting a long time.
RepubliCONs are never wrong. They know what God thinks.
If they kill people like Iraqi children in a war based on lies, it’s because it’s the will of God.
They are incapable of evil or even of making mistakes.
Just ask them.
Regular that “defense” of Bush is even more damning than nothing.
He refused to condemn the ad.
What part of that do you not understand?
Ask to meet him at Dillon’s at Central and Rock, KansasNative.
Regular won’t show up.
I did and he didn’t.
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CapnAmerica
Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink
Regular that “defense” of Bush is even more damning than nothing.
He refused to condemn the ad.
What part of that do you not understand?
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No Crapn,
Let me introduce you to reading comprehension 101.
Those were the comments of the editorial writer on MSNBC, not President Bush.
When you actually learn how to read news stories, get back to me and we can discuss.
CapnAmerica-
RepubliCONs are never wrong. They know what God thinks.
If they kill people like Iraqi children in a war based on lies, it’s because it’s the will of God.
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You are a truly disgusting human being.
Reguliar – tonite – Linda’s house – 8:oo…
CF, CF, CF . . .
” . . . the whole election-stealing thing and all?”
Feeling a little less confident? Getting the excuses ready already?
I’m shocked.
Don’t ya think that meme is a bit old? I mean, aside from the Kos and DU loonies, who takes it seriously?
And I’m “accused” (as if that’s bad) of membership in that eeeeeeeeeviiil Federalist Society and all. No, sorry, though I do agree with much of their outlook on Constitutional application. See, I think a Constitution should actually BE a constitution, not just some justification one attaches your policy preferences to.
“Republican strategist Karl Rove called Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) late last week and urged him to contact John McCain to withdraw his name from vice presidential consideration, according to three sources familiar with the conversation.”
McShame is but a puppet…he truely is a broken old man.
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KansasNative
Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink
Reguliar – tonite – Linda’s house – 8:oo…
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No, I’d rather do it at your house, when you are alone, terrified and gasping for air with no hope of help coming.
It’s much more amusing to do it BTK style.
We should have a pool, how many times will POW service to the country, be mentioned at the RNC? I’ll start off with 40 times. But I’m thinking that’s conservative.
CapnanintAmerican-
…mocking and demeaning Kerry’s medals.
Did we forget JK did that himself?
I don’t believe for a minute that any American soldier that was awarded a medal, would throw it away.
The dems. need to air the segment when mccain tore into the POW woman activist, and reduced her to tears with his tirade.
My brother, a staunch republican had never heard John Mccain referred to as ‘Songbird’ before I enlightened him.
Mccain’s real story has been deftly ignored and hidden. Time to shine a light on it.
Regular
There’s plenty disgusting coming from the left, true enough. But your 9:32 didn’t just step over the line, it jumped over entirely. “Inappropriate” is far too kind a word.
There’s no place for that, no matter how low the left goes. You should retract it, immediately, and ask the editors to remove it. With an apology.
Where are all the POWs that were confined with mccain? I’ve only read about two, the two who spent a couple months with him when he was first captured. Maybe the presidential race will draw them out.
GMC70,
Well, I AM impressed:you proved capable of not evading a direct question!
As for the Federalist Society, their minority voter suppression initiatives have been in effect since William Rehnquist was one of their Arizona operatives. Quite a proud legacy to validate, GMC70, even if only as a fellow traveller.
As for your rhetorical question of “who takes it seriously,” well, GMC70, when the state of Ohio’s 2004 county election records go missing despite a Federal court order and the express orders of a Federal judge, I think any reasonable person would think that someone wasd trying to hide something. Wouldn’t you, GMC70? Or in your version of reality, do potentially incriminating records just go missing as part of some big cosmic coincidence?
When someone takes such pains to insist that “it isn’t what it looks like,” it raises more than a passing suspicion that, yes, it it IS what it looks like.
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GMC70
Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Regular
There’s plenty disgusting coming from the left, true enough. But your 9:32 didn’t just step over the line, it jumped over entirely. “Inappropriate” is far too kind a word.
There’s no place for that, no matter how low the left goes. You should retract it, immediately, and ask the editors to remove it. With an apology.
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Sure it’s over the line.
When KansasNative stops making his attacks on me and using personal insults, I’ll retract it.
Until then, am I really a psychopath or am I just cruising the net looking for bloody flesh?
KansasNative, you’re both welcome! Come on over. Bring food and beer.
Tip o’ the hat to “GMC70″ –
Ol’ “Regular” certainly blew some kind of gasket there.
He’s the kind of guy who’d tune into Court TV and jacked off at Dennis Rader’s courtroom confession.
Phantom says — We should have a pool, how many times will POW service to the country, be mentioned at the RNC? I’ll start off with 40 times. But I’m thinking that’s conservative.
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I’ll see your 40 times and double it! I think McCain can use his POW service 40 times in his acceptance speech.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted August 28, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
Tip o’ the hat to “GMC70? –
Ol’ “Regular” certainly blew some kind of gasket there.
He’s the kind of guy who’d tune into Court TV and jacked off at Dennis Rader’s courtroom confession.
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Naw, I tapped into the CCTV like the news agencies did. Why pay for amusement when you can get it free? BTK was such an amateur.
If the media won’t cover it, maybe in the internet age we don’t need them to. We should all get the word out.
Mccain caused many deaths for our aviators.
Mccain (Songbird) should be ashamed to even mention his pow confinement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbUUp8tVxIM&NR=1
Regular –
This is the last comment I’ll make on it. Your comments reflect on you, no one else. No matter what others may have said, right or wrong, YOU and you alone are responsible for what you write. You can lower yourself, or rise above those who attack you. Your call.
But ultimately, YOU are responsible for you. No one else. I’ll stand by what I said.
CF –
Riiiight. Serious charges require serious evidence. You’ve provided none. A lack of evidence is not evidence; that’s the stuff of tin hat conspiracy fantasy.
The activities of ACORN over the years, however, are well documented. The history of Chicago vote fraud, to name just one local Democratic machine, is well documented (where the dead vote – over and over again). Chicago fraud won the election for JFK in 1960, for example; Nixon declined to challenge it, though he had grounds to do so.
That was a long time ago, but little has changed. Same Daley machine pulling the strings. And Obama is a child of that machine.
The long and the short of it is the Democratic party is in no position to whine about vote fraud – they’ve a long history of it. But when you believe you, and only you, are right; and your political opponents are “enemies” to be crushed by any means necessary (a theme common on this board), then it’s easy to rationalize such activities, isn’t it?
GMC70
Posted August 28, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink
Regular -
This is the last comment I’ll make on it. Your comments reflect on you, no one else. No matter what others may have said, right or wrong, YOU and you alone are responsible for what you write. You can lower yourself, or rise above those who attack you. Your call.
But ultimately, YOU are responsible for you. No one else. I’ll stand by what I said.
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Well GMC,
You have not made one comment on Kansasnative’s disgusting reference to my sister and various things.
Not one thing.
Whenever you get off your judgmental high horse let me know.
I know no one on this blog has the courage to say anything against kansasnative, but by God, I sure do.
Theses attacks have continued for the past two years on me and nothing was said to discourage them. NOT ONE THING.
Not from the Libs, not from the Cons, not from Brownlee, not from Wichita Eagle and not from anyone.
So pardon me, while I handle it my own way.
The thing I find interesting is that his status as a POW never used to be an excuse for him. It’s just now that he’s getting called on the carpet for things he’s said, did or didn’t know.
Also, I find it odd that the Bush Administration’s lackeys would say with out a doubt that the abuses that McCain suffered were not torture, only vigorous interrogation. Would McCain really say the same?
Let me preface this by saying I’m not a Mccain supporter but I do honor his service. Has anyone on this board went through the military survival escape and evasion school? If you have you know what I mean whenI say I admire any one who survived as a POW for any length of time. The time I spent our mock camp at Ft Polk back in 71 made me realize I never wanted to be a POW as I’m sure those who spent time as one felt the same way. While I’m at it when is this government(don’t care who is in charge ) going to demand a full and complete accounting of our POWs and MIAS?
Short term memory loss?
Obama thought he was in St. Louis the other night, when he was REALLY in Kansas City!
His KID had to correct him!
Would McCain really say the same?
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I don’t think he would say it about what he endured. But he said exactly that with The Patriot Act! It was torture for him THEN, but not today.
That’s when McCain lost me. I had thought he was someone I could respect and vote for. I even excused his acquiesce to the smears from his 2000 campaign and thought he had held himself above the fray. Then came The Patriot Act and how he bowed and cowered and acted like bush’s lap dog. He lost me there! He also lost any and all respect I had for him today.
I’m extremely happy and thankful he survived the atrocities of being a POW, thankful he is home and has lived a long life. We should still honor POWs today!
CF
“McCains reckless days as a flyboy”??
What?
You liberals tell us that the military would NEVER let John Kerry game the system, in order to award HIMSELF “purple hearts” for wounds he NEVER spent a day in the hospital, to treat.
However, you now think that the SAME military, that would not allow Kerry to scam medals that are worth less than lunch money, to produce, would ALLOW John McCain to fly MILLION DOLLAR AIRPLANES?
Does mccain really care about pows or did he take his position because of self serving concerns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related
Well, Franklin, RHIP, and if you’re the son and grandson of Admirals, nobody in the Navy is going to tell you what to do.
I believe it was on NPR I heard that after confessing to his North Viet Nam captors McCain tried to hang himself with his shirt. His guards thought something might happen with him and were watching him and thus able to cut him down.
I believe making light of McCain’s service is wrong. I also am very disappointed in McCain’s reversals on his principled positions on issues such as torture. It is also very disappointing that Rovian tactics of character assassination and lying are so effective.
Thomas Frank points out in his latest book that Republican bullying is especially vicious. I do wonder if the Dems can compete with them if they don’t adopt the “destroy your enemy” strategy.
Freebird, I was in Ft. Polk in 71, Nov. to around Jan. 72.
Regular
I agree with others here.
Danny Otero was my friend.
Regardless, I think your comments would offend someone who had never even been to Kansas.
Please understand that your comments do reflect on Wichita, on Kansas, and on the Party you seem to support.
April 71-Aug71 basiic and AIT both. Wasn’t that place a sh*t hole? Ever make it to Diseaseville?
John McCain has his base…
Old people over 70, males with less than a high school education, the richest 2 percent of the population…
That’s a winning coalition for you.
Terrorists and their apologists
People who support infanticide.
Minorities (maybe not the Latino vote?)
Eggheads.
Yah, that is Obama’s “coalition” —
“We can’t win with eggheads and minorities”
Paul Begala
I’m sorry, was Sen. McCain a POW? In Which war?
Wow, i must have missed that little tidbit.
I feel so bad, I composed a song – here it goes:
“oh i wish i were a POW survivor…
that is what i truly wish to be
’cause if i were a POW survivor…
i could run for President and convince everyone to cast pity votes for me”
Snuck out of basic training for the diseasville excursion. That was one scarey outing!
I must be getting senile. It was in oct. 70 to 71.
I went one time(the operative word being one). I was actually glad to get back on base
GMC,
Appreciate you making the personal responsibility argument to James. As it would appear obvious, your line of reasoning seems to completely evade our friend’s ability to understand.
I am pretty sure I have never mentioned this before, but Brownlee has given me grief about baiting and ridiculing James. Brownlee and I do not see each other socially, nor are we blood brother amigos, but I think of myself as knowing him – thus maybe why he thought he could say something to me.
I had lunch with James and concluded from then on certainly that he did not deserve my ire.
Any way, thanks again.
I remember one outing, went with a black friend, to a totally black bar/neighborhood. Started getting flak, my black friend told the others that I was the Ace, and he was the spade.
At least McCain has something to brag about.
Obama?
Obama lies about his childhood in Indonesia, where he frequently went to the Mosque with his step-father and was enrolled in school as a “MOSLEM”!(He was a child at the time. He had no control over this, BUT, he lied about it in his own book, which made lots of money for Obama)
Obama was abandoned, again, by his step-father and mother, and stayed with his White grandparents, who sacrificed to send Obama to a very expensive, PRIVATE school.
Obama was recruited by radical Marxists to enlist the Black ministers in leftist political causes. This is what a “neighborhood organizer” does! “Rub Raw the resentments of the group” Saul Alinsky!
Obama only did this “charity” work for 3 years.
Obama then went Harvard. When graduating from Harvard, REZCO, a corrupt slum lord from Chicago, helped recruit Obama BACK to Chicago.
“Community Development” and “Community Organizer” are two entirely different things.
Rezco and Obama came up with a slick deal.
Obama went to work at a law firm where REZCO was one of the biggest clients.
Did Obama work on any evictions, for slum lord Rezco? Did Obama defend Rezco for zonning violations, health code violations and other such things?
We do know that Obama wrote SEVERAL recommendation letters, on behalf of Rezco, to help in zonning issues, tax credit applications and various government grant programs.
We also know that Obama was receiving very LARGE campaign contributions were made by Rezco, and Resco associates, to the Obama campaign at the SAME TIME that Rezco was in the paper for various problems with his slums. (Such has NO HEAT, for several weeks, in the middle of the winter!)
We also know that Obama was appointed to be the CEO of a huge “charitable trust” — the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, by terrorist William Ayers.
William Ayers, of the Weather Underground, who bragged about blowing up over 30 buildings.
William Ayers, who promoted his book, “Fugitive Days” and who appeared in the New York Times on 9-11-01, the day the Twin Towers were attacked, and the day the Pentagon was attacked, again!
What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends who attacked the Pentagon!
And then, there is Odinga, in Kenya, the politician who Obama endorsed, who went on a rampage after the election, killing thousands with machetes, after gang raping the women.
Obama has NOTHING to brag about.
“Please understand that your comments do reflect on Wichita, on Kansas, and on the Party you seem to support.”
I am quite happy to report, so do yours Paul!
Whenever the Libs use the same admonishment on Kansasnative and CapnAmerica, that they do me, I’ll listen.
Until then…
No.
steven
I do NOT make threats
And, what I post is true.
“typicical Chicago thugh”
Bill Clinton, commenting on Obama.
This is a site that refutes every last one of Paul’s lies about Obama:
http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/index
At the site click on the “All Smears” navigation button to see the comprehensive list of smears (there are over 30 of them).
Reg
You have to have some standards.
Physical threats go over the line.
Way over the line.
Glorifying BTK is sick.
I am done with this subject too.
I hope you don’t do it again, even if you do not apologize for this one.
“And, what I post is true.”
The above is your most egregious lie yet, Paul. All of your lies reflect badly on YOU, your party, and this city and state.
Congrats on not making threats. Your mom must be proud.
“Please understand that your comments do reflect on Wichita, on Kansas, and on the Party you seem to support.
“I am quite happy to report, so do yours Paul!”
Indeed.
I love the smell of Republican desperation in the air. It smells like… VICTORY!
Steven
You have refuted nothing.
Ya, Axelrod says that Obama’s kids and Ayers kids were “in the same neighborhood” and that their kids “attended the same school” lol
Axelrod does not tell you: THOSE KIDS NEVER WENT TO THE SAME SCHOOLS AT THE SAME TIME!
Obama was employed by a terrorist.
There is NO way around that point.
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Franklin
Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
Reg
You have to have some standards.
Physical threats go over the line.
Way over the line.
Glorifying BTK is sick.
I am done with this subject too.
I hope you don’t do it again, even if you do not apologize for this one.
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Constantly referring to where my sister lives and making sexual remarks about her goes over the line as well.
If I made people uncomfortable, good.
Now, you know how I feel after living with those kind of comments for the past two years.
hypocrites
LOL
Obama is making threats to radio and TV broadcasters.
Obama is threatening broadcast licenses.
Obama is getting TV reporters, on public sidewalks, arrested.
Obama seems to have something to hide.
What might that be?
I’m pretty sure ol’ “Regular” really deserves our pity. WE Blog is about the only life he’s got.
How pathetic can such a life be?
At least “Franklin” has convinced himself that his sporadic cut-and-post manias are somehow serving as “market research” for his fellow CONs. “Boxlock” and “MaxGrubnik” listen to wing-nut talk radio and repeat the day’s talking points. “Nathaniel” listens to the voices in his head. Even government lawyer “GMC70″ generally uses this forum as a basis to try to present an some semblance of a structured argument (and sometimes — as today — he’s shamed into calling foul against the really twisted people who share his political views).
All ol’ “Regular’s” got is junior high name-calling and unwarranted chortles.
“There, but for the grace of God….”
Yeah MonkeyHock,
You’re the standard bearer for moral conduct aren’t you?
Your disgusting comments on Tiarht’s son. Your constant use of the “N” word and the “C” word.”
Your interview with Ashcroft where you asked if his wife ( ).
Let us know more about your high morals MonkeyHock.
You disgusting piece of hog slime.
Is Paul trying to argue that Obama is a Muslim? Yeah, a six year old kid is a Muslim if his mom puts on the paperwork that he is. Once again Paul shows his desperation by resorting to typical neo-con dishonesty.
It’s pathetic when the best Republicans can do is criticize something that happened when Obama was six, and that he didn’t do enough community service.
McCain’s only qualification is that he sat a war out in a POW camp after crashing five planes. How heroic (rolls eyes). Next they’ll be telling us that if only more soldiers were in POW camps could there have been victory in Vietnam. This may be news to the chickenhawk Republicans but the idea in war is not to get captured.
But perhaps it’s McCain’s post military life Republicans are so proud of. After the time he spent playing theater in a POW camp he went home and greeted his disabled wife with divorce papers whilst marrying his sugar momma and leaching off her investments.
Or maybe it’s his role in the S&L scandal, a trait he passed onto his son who recently ditched his position at two banks when they received the McCain touch.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/25958074.html
There is a VERY good chance that Obama will not do very well, in his home state of Illinois.
This is what the locals are saying:
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/obama_campaign_confronts_wgn_r.html
“This is a site that refutes every last one of Paul’s lies about Obama:”
Then you won’t have to buy Obamanation.
If he’d started life a Muslim, then he must’ve been born again, looks like the RWEs would embrace him.
“Whatsoever you do, to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me” Obama quoting Jesus.
But Obama lets his own BROTHER live in a one room shack with a dirt floor, and Obama works for a terrorist who kills innocent people, and Obama works for Rezco, a slum lord who steals government grants and lets his tenants freeze, in the winter?
http://www.texasgop.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Obama_Commercial_Sequel
Phantom
It is the fact that Obama LIED about his past that troubles me.
Under the right circumstances, I would have no problem voting for a practicing Moslem.
I have no problem at all voting for a former Moslem, that issue alone does not bother me.
Not telling the truth, and making millions of dollars, and starting a political career on a pack of lies like his book, “Dreams from my Father” —
ya, that bothers me.
Bet mccain wheels out Day at the convention.
I’m confused at the relevance of Regular wishing he was BTK to the topic of the thread? And Reg attacks on your sis certainly are responsible but comparing yourself to BTK and threatening others is one bizarre and two probably borderline illegal. I might add that as an anyomous blog the only way anyone learns any private info about a person is because that persons puts it on the blog
actually, getting “back off the horse” after you are thrown, is the very definition of courage.
“Get back up” Biden said.
McCain did far more than that.
Paul, when has Obama ever claimed to be a Muslim? Or is your argument that when Obama was six he enrolled himself into school and filled out his own paperwork?
Paul,
Go to this site:
http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/index
In one place, all of your lies, distortions, and half-truths are refuted. EVERY LAST ONE!
Of course, I don’t believe that you could recognize the truth if slapped you in the face. So, maybe, never mind…
getting back on the horse.
Dang, have to quit posting when on the phone.
Mccain became the horses lover and confidant.
Steven
Obama is not telling the truth.
Obama has a pattern. Just look at Pastor Wright.
1. We werent that close (proven wrong)
2. I didn’t know (proven wrong)
3. I can’t disown him
4. Throw him under the buss
Maggot
Obama wrote a book that downplayed Islam.
Obama’s campaign even went so far as to say that Obama “never prayed in a Mosque” and that Obama, “never took instruction in Islam”
This is a lie.
Truth IS an issue. Obama is a liar.
“Regular” responds –
“You’re the standard bearer for moral conduct aren’t you?”
No. That would be “Nathaniel.”
“Your disgusting comments on Tiarht’s son. Your constant use of the “N” word and the “C” word.”
Yeah, you’re the self-ordained judge of Political Correctness, “Regular.” We can’t talk about the personal hell Todd Tiahrt’s kid was so desperate to escape; it distracts us from envying Dennis Rader’s career.
“Your interview with Ashcroft where you asked if his wife ( ).”
Don’t be shy, “Regular.” It was and remains a funny and classic moment in Kansas City talk radio.
“Let us know more about your high morals MonkeyHock.”
The 8th-Grade name-calling. Again?
What’s that ever achieved for you, “Regular?”
“You disgusting piece of hog slime.”
Wait! Wait! Don’t tell me!
That’s what Abraham Lincoln used to win the 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate. In Moline, Illinois on July 8, 1856. Right?
We’re honored to have such rhetorical eloquence as yours contributing to this forum, “Regular.” You are the CONs’ wise man
in your sister’s basementon the mountain, aren’t you?Actually, Obama’s book contradicts Obama’s campaign statements.
Obama DOES admit more Islamic past, in his book, than what his campaign now admits.
So Paul, because Obama doesn’t absolute despite Islam that makes him a Muslim? I don’t absolutely detest Jainism, therefore that must make me a Jain.
But if you insist that Obama regularly worshiped in a Mosque do you care to educated us on the name and location of that Mosque?
I don’t think that John McCain uses his POW status too much. Clearly, he has more experience in Military matters than Obama does. It’s a fair enough play. The Obama campaign will have to frame the debate on judgement. Biden started to frame it, but one never knows how well Obama will do.
I am on the right thread aren’t I? This isn’t the Obama muslim or BTK thread is it?
Pray tell, what rationale or relevance is their in using pow experience when answering a question to explain your confusion on how many houses you own.
I’ve seen him use it a town hall and there was about as much relevance to the question asked. If that’s not overuse what is? I believe the question was did mccain feel any guilt over the treatment of some minority that developed black lung.
Mccain anwsered with when he was a pow he could have left, but one of his closes friends was a Mexican, and he was one of the reasons mccain didn’t leave. He never answered the question and ended the meeting.
Not Vet, this thread is the Democrat’s turn to “Swiftboat” a candidate.
I love irrelevent swiftboating based upon innuendo and political bias of events that happened over 30 years ago during a war, its so American!
Bet RFL was an ardent Swiftboater for truth fan.
LL, your right the thread is suppose to be about McCain, plenty of Rightwingers complained about the lack of McCain threads that when they get one they still talk about Obama?
May I remind everyone that Franklin announced right here on this blog he is a paid Republican political shill. Further, he said his job is to bring things to test the reactions of smart libs. AND, that smart libs did most of his work in giving all the links needed to compose his smears.
Any interaction with this paid Republican political shill just gives him and his boss what he gets paid for.
It’s one thing to discuss with a legit blogger the disagreements and misrepresentations and quite another to play into Franklin’s “job.” People who have chosen their opinions after study and consideration are to be respected. Franklin who sells himself has no integrity, no convictions, he just sells himself.
Every advertiser here on WEBlog is buying him space to do his job. Everyone who interacts with him is helping him do his job.
I choose to allow Franklin the paid Republican political shill to spin and spin and spin and would love to watch as he gets no reaction and no links. Maybe he’ll need to work harder to earn his pay!
The occasional reminder of how hard he must spin and how ridiculous he sounds, along with the laughter he deserves seems to be an appropriate response. But real conversation with a paid Republican political shill is impossible.
“RFL
Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
I love irrelevent swiftboating based upon innuendo and political bias of events that happened over 30 years ago during a war, its so American!”
How were you with Swiftboating when the target was Kerry?
For five-and-a-half years of his military career John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) obeyed the orders of North Vietnamese communists!
“Franklin
Posted August 28, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink
Actually, Obama’s book contradicts Obama’s campaign statements.
Obama DOES admit more Islamic past, in his book, than what his campaign now admits.”
mmm
I wonder if McCain ’studied’ Communism when he was there. If so, that means he IS a Communist!
One of the links to youtube I posted above, the guy states that after songbird’s capture the success rate for shooting down American planes went up by as much as 60% by the NVA.
How many troops did kerry get killed?
Good advice Linda. I am taking it. The truth to Paul is like water to the Wicked Witch of the West – he avoids it all costs so he won’t melt.
Liberal bloggers won’t harm McCain. I think Biden’s points are what could hurt McCain. I am certain McCain can answer back. And he had better do so quickly and well, or he might lose his advantage.
And Linda, I think I remember Franklin entertaining the idea that I am actually a liberal democrat posing as a libertarian to cause division among the republicans. Franklin is always good for a laugh and we all know Regular’s famous “arm flailing” I usually stick to GMC max and observer. At least they are reasonable. We just have some disagreements on social issues.
You are right about the numerous points made by biden, and I expect them to be amplified and expanded on tonight by Obama.
It really is about the economy, foreign relations, and energy.
If we can’t get traction on those issues because the public doesn’t quite grasp it, swiftboating could be used as the last resort.
I do think that McCain is overplaying the POW card. The reason: it opens him up for swiftboating. None of us here know what happened in Hanoi any more than we know what happened on the Mekong River. So, sites like http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ and the swiftboaters get to fill in the blanks.
McCain would be better served by making arguements about why he should be elected TODAY. Why he thinks his economic plans are better than Obama’s etc.
And, I do not think McCain is well served with claims that Obama was born in Kenya or is a secret Muslim or any of the rest.
If I were advising McCain I would tell him to look forward; not backwards.
On the subject of Jerimiah Wright, Obama stuck by him at first – his first Wright speech was what drew me to Obama. Wright having received a small amount of attention, went completely berserk with it, leaving Obama no choice but distance himself from Wright. Context: it does matter…
But a squadron of Vietnam vets and POW/MIA advocates is strafing him with decidedly unfriendly fire.
Two-tour Green Beret Ted Sampley, who helped “Swift Boat” Democrat John Kerry in the 2004 presidential race, is now gunning for the GOP White House hopeful.
The organizer of Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain claims the Purple Heart-winning former POW has “never admitted the full extent to which he cooperated with his captors.” Sampley also charges that, in the 1990s, the “unstable” McCain, whom he calls “the Manchurian Candidate,” ignored “credible evidence” that American POWs were still alive in Southeast Asia.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/25/2008-08-25_convention_confidential_mccain_being_swi.html
I ask again.
What is McCain and the Republican Party running on?
Besides hot air, I mean. We could heat the entire country this coming winter with all they’re supplying.
I suppose I can agree with you Ben from a logistical standpoint. McCain should be spending his money on other issues. The muslim/kenya/ did it’s part. He got a gift today with the Economic report. He might want to start spending his money on that. Base his argument on an economic long run. Dubya’s dad made the mistake of not doing that.
While I’m at it when is this government(don’t care who is in charge ) going to demand a full and complete accounting of our POWs and MIAS?
I suggest you ask Senator McCain that question.
There is a VERY good chance that Obama will not do very well, in his home state of Illinois.
That’s not what the voters in IL that I know are saying.
I have no problem at all voting for a former Moslem, that issue alone does not bother me.
But give him a black man (half black) and he goes bonkers.
“What is McCain and the Republican Party running on?”
I think it’s that McCain was a POW and he’ll lead America to share in that experience.
What is McCain and the Republican Party running o
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Pre: I’m sure it’s more defined than the “change” concept that Cotton Candy Obama is running on.
Yes, it’s more defined, it the ’same’ concept.
Clearly, he has more experience in Military matters than Obama does.
You know, LLTVET, not everyone believes war is the answer, or at least the first answer. Back in the day, those who claimed conscientious objector status gave service in other areas…of the world. I met two CO’s (Mennonites) in Mexico in the summer of 1968, serving their country in other ways, traveling that country and helping with agriculture.
While there are many things that I’m sure you and I would agree with that serving in the armed forces gives an individual, for some, serving on a different level, is just as important. Not everyone is cut out to be a soldier.
Not Vet, this thread is the Democrat’s turn to “Swiftboat” a candidate.
Don’t dish it out if ya can’t take it.
What goes around, comes around.
Karma’s a bitch.
Need more?
’studying’ a religion and being indoctrinated in one are very different things. I have studied both Islam and Judaism but I am neither. I have both studied and been indoctrinated with Methodist Christianity and was, in fact, a Methodist. I have even studied Catholicism a bit but am not a Catholic.
So, Paul’s claim about ‘former muslim’ makes no sense until he can PROVE that Obama was ever in fact a Muslim.
By the way – when I was in the hospital for heart surgery they had be listed as ‘catholic’. Still doesn’t make it so – even though I had very fulfilling visits from both a Priest and a Nun. She especially was very nice and reassuring.
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Predestined
Posted August 28, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
Clearly, he has more experience in Military matters than Obama does.
You know, LLTVET, not everyone believes war is the answer, or at least the first answer. Back in the day, those who claimed conscientious objector status gave service in other areas…of the world. I met two CO’s (Mennonites) in Mexico in the summer of 1968, serving their country in other ways, traveling that country and helping with agriculture.
While there are many things that I’m sure you and I would agree with that serving in the armed forces gives an individual, for some, serving on a different level, is just as important. Not everyone is cut out to be a soldier.
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McCain has been more than a soldier or a sailor in this case.
He has served on Senate Armed Services Committees, held hearings and has seen how the military works from the inside by making many visits throughout his career.
Maggot
Jakarta Indonesia
Lolo Soetero, “married” to Stanley Ann in 1965.
Barrack Obama then took the name “Barry Soetoro” and was enrolled in school by that name. “Islam” was listed as his religion.
This is what Obama says, in “Dreams from my Father”
“In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school, two years in a Catholic school.” Then he admits, “In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.” Then Obama puts down the Catholic faith, “In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I would pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room, Nothing happened. No angels descended. Just a parched old nun and thirty brown children, muttering words.”
Obama, Dreams, page 154
The Los Angeles Times quoted Zulfan Adi, who described himself as one of Obama’s closest friends in Indonesia.
The Soetoro home was (one of maybe 3 or 4, during his years in Jakarta) — “a small flat-roofed bungalow at 16 Haji Ramli Street” — “This was a middle class neighborhood but Haji Ramli Street was a dirt lane where Obama used to while away the hours kicking a soccer ball.”
Adi said that Muslims worshipped in a nearby house. When the muezzin sounded the call to prayer, Adi remembered Lolo and Barry walk together tot he makeshift mosque. “His mother went to the church,— but Barry was a Muslim. I remember him wearing a sarong.”
The Times also interviewed Israella Darmawan, Obama’s first-grade teacher at the Catholic school. “At that time, Barry was also praying in a Catholic way, but Barry was a Muslim,” the teacher said. “He was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was a Muslim.”
I can understand that Pre. What you speak of is the frame of the debate that Obama will need to steer towards. Yesterday GMC and I had a discussion about Georgia. My view was that we can’t really help Georgia because we no longer have the horses. That would be a strong argument that Obama could make. Right or wrong.
But it is fair game in politics to say “I have more experienc in military matters” It was fair game when McCain made that claim against Dubya. It was fair game when Kerry made that claim against Dubya. Obviously, it doesn’t always work.
Linda
Tighten the tinfoil, the moonbeams are getting into your brain!
Ben, do you really want to talk about studying Religions with Franklin? I don’t want anyone busting chops on Nathaniel. You know where that leads.
Good point VET. I’ll probably have a discussion on that topic with nathan’s dad some time – while we are working dogs. That sort of discussion works better in person and away from contrived controversy.
Linda – maybe Paul can give you one of his Industrial Strength Tinfoil Hats he gets from his GOP masters.
Regarding the Dems current strategy to swiftboat McCain, all I have to say is, imitation is the highest form of flattery.
The market will decide what to believe. Bloggers and journalists can print stuff all they want. If people really think McCain is a self agrandizing pol who simply seeks to use his POW status as a ticket to the White House, they will believe stories (concocted or real) that support that premise.
Paul, so when Obama was four (according to you mentioned date) he changed his name and became an official Muslim? You’re basing his qualifications for Presidency based upon something he did when he was four?
You nutters are desperate. But I’m glad you have to go back to when he was four to find something objectionable. Glad to know you extreme Christian tolerance is showing through.
RFL – actually, from what I have seen, it is his fellow veterans who are swiftboating him.
Meanwhile, how about those family values?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind
LLVTVET,
I was just making a point, not trying to take you to task. :) I also see your point and the pros and cons to all.
Each of us sees things with a different perspective. As long as we’re honest, it pays to see and hear as many of those perspectives as possible. Minds have been changed–not that I expect to see it here–as long as bullying is left out of the fray and honest discourse is used.
Kudos to Ben for being an attack dog for family values. Keep it up!
However, you now think that the SAME military, that would not allow Kerry to scam medals that are worth less than lunch money, to produce, would ALLOW John McCain to fly MILLION DOLLAR AIRPLANES?
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Why not? The Texas Air National Guard let George W. Bush fly planes. Besides, one other common thread between GWB and McCain is family name. Remember – McCain comes from a celebrated Navy family and Bush, of course, has nothing but a famous name. No brain or wisdom, just the name.
I used to like McCain before he sold his soul to the Bush/Cheney/Rove gang. Too bad the Republicans could not find anyone else to run.
I’ve said it before, if Republicans had anything positive to run on, why don’t they?
Thanks RFL. Just noting the truth.
Maggot
Obama LIED.
Obama said one thing in his book.
Then, the Obama campaign website says that :
“Barrack Obama NEVER prayed in a Mosque”
and
“Barrack Obama never received Islamic instruction”
This is false.
Obama has contradicted himself.
The Obama book refutes the Obama web page.
Honesty IS an issue.
Remember, Republicans decided in 2000 that Bush was a better President than McCain. The best Republicans can do now is elect the second fiddle to the worst President in American history.
Makes you miss Steve Forbes, doesn’t it?
Mom
McCain does run on something postiive.
Courage and Bravery and Patriotism are ALL positive.
And — You libs run him down for being positive?
Pall,
Hey, I’ve attended functions at the Cathedral, First Presbyterian, Lorraine Mennonite, the Temple, CH Methodist, even the Mosque and the Buddhist Temple. I think you’ll agree that I’m certainly no christian, so why does Obama’s occasional trip to a Mosque make him Muslim, and why should we care? He’s running for President, not high priest!
Paul, are you claiming that a secular school in Indonesia is the same as a Mosque?
In high school I had to read the Bible, in college I had to read the Koran, the Torah and other religious works. I wonder how many religions I belong to according to your standards.
I’ll bet you are furious with the McCains since Cindy stole some recipes and claimed them as her own.
I DID NOT SAY OBAMA WAS MUSLIM
– I did say that Obama is a liar.
Paul, your argument is that Obama prayed in mosque. Muslims pray in mosques therefore you are saying Obama is a Muslim. Now you are saying he isn’t a Muslim.
You are the last person to be fit to criticize someone for lying, you do it on a daily basis.
McCain does run on something postiive.
Courage and Bravery and Patriotism are ALL positive.
And — You libs run him down for being positive?
I refer you here, Franklin. Watch the whole series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syTDUDjAzEk&feature=related
Paul, you must be furious with McCain since it was revealed he stole the entire ‘cross in the dirt’ story from Solzhenitsyn.
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/08/mccains_cross_i_1.htm
Or are you just showing some faux outrage again as a paid shill for the Republican party?
“instruction” might be construed as indoctrination; for example I received “instruction” in being a Methodist when I was young. “studying” can be quite different as I “studied” various religions over the year. I even attended services in various houses of worship over the years. That does not make me a Catholic, Jew, Muslim, baptist, etc.
straw man arguments, all of you.
The Obama campaign contradicted the Obama book.
End of story?
We shall see, lol.
Lots of contradictions out there, with Obama.
Earlier, somebody posted that Obama is a child of the Daley machine in Chicago….
IIRC, Mayor Richard Daley was long past being Mayor of Chicago by the time Obama got to Chicago…. Mayor Daley, the elder, was Mayor in Chicago when Obama was a kid growing up in Hawaii, not to mention the years he lived with his mother in Indonesia!!
Franklin, I have yet to see you post a link to Obama’s Book that you “seemingly” quote from…. How about it?? You got any links to the Book??
Chas –
It was me. And yes, Daley the elder was long since dead.
But the machine did not simply go away, of course. It simply passes on to the next generation of vote manipulators, crooks and hangers-on; i.e., the current Daley the younger.
The Daley machine is alive and well in Chicago politcs.
“The Daley machine is alive and well in Chicago politcs.”
Om that GMC I tend to agree. At least it definitely was back in the 80s when I was there. I worked with the other two political parties in Chicago – Republicans and ‘reform Democrats’. Also a lot with suburban Republicans including the Freshman campaign of Dennis Hastert who succeeded John Grotberg as my representative.
GMC — there have been a number of Mayors in Chicago SINCE Daley, the Elder… The City is nowhere near what it used to be…
And it is a lonnnnnng and disingenious stretch to connect Obama to the old ways of the Old Daley…
And Ben, where was Obma back in the 80’s when you were there?? And how did that Hastert deal work out?? :roll:
I disn’t know Obama back then. As for Hastert he changed after he went to Washington. The Hastert I have seen in recent years is not the Hastert I knew back then.
I am not even sure Obama ws IN Chicago in the 80’s Ben… That was my point…. And IF he was, he was working on the South Side, trying to clean up some of the Garbage left behind by the Old Daley machine…
And you know how the CONs try to beat the dead horse about how Obama supposedly won election to the Illinois Senate “only” by filing lawsuits to disqualify opponents? Turns out those ineligible opponents were Daley Machine operatives. Obama fought against the “all powerful” Daley Machine! And won.
He has served on Senate Armed Services Committees, held hearings and has seen how the military works from the inside by making many visits throughout his career.
And yet all we hear about from his is his POW time.
Time to retire, McCain. Your days are over.
Chas – you miss the point. There IS no difference between the “old” Daley and the “new” Daley, nor the machine in between. It’s Chicago. The more things change, the more they stay the same. It’s never gone away. Chicago – where the right voters vote early, vote often, and at times even vote deceased.
And MH, yes, Obama ran initially against the machine folks, and got them pushed off the ballot. But Rezko, Ayers, and Co. are firmly entrenched in the Chicago establishment. Obama got co-opted. How nice.
GMC your phony allegations abut Ayers and Obama are dismally lacking in any kind of genuine substance… just more swiftboating!!
find something tangible.,,, and maybe stay on topic with McCain, and the POW raving…
“Chas – you miss the point. There IS no difference between the “old” Daley and the “new” Daley, nor the machine in between.”
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NO, I dont miss your point… YOUR point is that you want to connect Obama to the “Machine” that he worked hard to knock out of power…. Instead, you try to put him working with them…. Obama and others cleaned UP the mess on the South Side, made by the Daley Machine….
And AGAIN —- Obama asnt even around during the original Daley Machine
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Chas
Posted August 28, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
“Chas – you miss the point. There IS no difference between the “old” Daley and the “new” Daley, nor the machine in between.”
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NO, I dont miss your point… YOUR point is that you want to connect Obama to the “Machine” that he worked hard to knock out of power…. Instead, you try to put him working with them…. Obama and others cleaned UP the mess on the South Side, made by the Daley Machine….
And AGAIN —- Obama asnt even around during the original Daley Machine
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The Messiah Obama took his lessons from Rezco and Ayers.
Mom
McCain does run on something postiive.
Courage and Bravery and Patriotism are ALL positive.
And — You libs run him down for being positive?
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I said if the REPUBLICANS had anything to run on, why don’t they? Learn to read Paul.
And there are alot of patriotic people with courage, bravery and patriotism but they are not qualified to run for president. McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time and then has the audacity to ask the voters if they are worse off than they were 4 years ago. That smacks of stupidity.
Again, Paul, re-read my posting and then come back when you have something positive the Republicans can run on.
Face it, George W. Bush has made the Republicans look stupid this time around and they brought it all on themselves in the last 8 years of misleading the American people and keeping everything sealed and secret. Bush promised to restore honesty and integrity to the White House and failed miserably.
Just read that McCain has made his vice president choice and Gov of Minnesota Tim Pawlently has canceled several public appearances. I googled Pawlently, since this name is not a household name, and my hunch is correct – he is an Evangelical Christian. Karl Rove knows how to use the Evangelicals a third time to get his guy into the White House, doesn’t he?
But if Obama is inexperienced, then wouldn’t Pawlently have the same inexperience in case McCain does not survive his presidency and Pawlently is president?
I think the Evangelicals are going to have a hard time this election. The rest of the country are fed up with their hypocrit holier-than-thou attitudes and all the gold-worshiping that is going on in these mega churches. Too many people are struggling just to pay their mortgages, high gas prices, high food costs, high health care costs to worry about what some million-dollar preacher says.
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Posted August 28, 2008 at 3:18 pm | Permalink
I am not even sure Obama ws IN Chicago in the 80’s Ben… That was my point…. And IF he was, he was working on the South Side, trying to clean up some of the Garbage left behind by the Old Daley machine…”
That is why I mentioned “reform Democrats” – and you are correct, if he were at all new there he would have been an outsider to the Machine.
It’s probably a red herring, trying to stimulate some degree of interest and speculation on Obama’s big night.
Repubs. mccain in particular are desperate for attention. I still think it’s The Moron and The Mormon for 08 ticket.
Re: exeprience as a criterian. Suppose you have a choice between a surgeon fresh out of school and one who has been at it for 20 years. The veteran would seem to be the logical choice. HOWEVER – suppose those 20 years have been filled with malpractice? Do you still choose him?
A friend of mine told his dr. who made a referal to an experienced surgeon ‘There’s no way he’s going to operate on me, he’s as old as I am”
Chas
Buy your own copy.
Or, just go to Barns and Noble and sneek a peak.
Why would Obama post the book online?
Nobody would buy it.
By the way, Obama made AUDIO copies of his books, so we have Obama ON TAPE saying some pretty outrageous things.
More to come — lol
Chas
Study REZCO, the convicted criminal.
The corrupt Daily machine can be seen at work, in the Rezco – Obama connection.
Rezco helped Obama buy a house. Rezco had his WIFE buy a vacant parcel, that had to be purchased at the same time as the house, or Obama could not do the deal. Obama did not have the money. Rezco’s wife helped out.
Then, when Rezco NEEDED money, for his court case, Obama pulled strings to make sure that no condo’s or any other property, could be permitted to go in next to Obama’s house.
Chas
“community organizing” is nothing but the work of a precint committeman, or a ward captain.
The Saul Alinsky types, who first recruited Obama, were White. They needed a Black guy, Obama, to go into the Black churches and aggitate for socialism, on their behalf.
There wasn’t anything “clean” about it.
Later, Obama went to Harvard, came back, and worked for the corrupt Tony Rezco.
mom
I am betting the Biden voted with McCain about 85% of the time.
Most votes are important stuff like naming post offices, stuff like that.
Positive news?
We are WINNING IN IRAQ!
And
“Gross domestic product, or GDP, grew at a 3.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter, its fastest pace in nearly a year, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. The revised reading was much better than the government’s initial estimate of a 1.9 percent pace and exceeded economists’ expectations for a 2.7 percent growth rate.”
Positive news?
We are WINNING IN IRAQ!
We’ve been hearing that for years.
Mission Accomplished! Bring ‘em home!
What did we win?
I thought we won in Iraq like 5 years ago?
We removed a tyrant who used “rape rooms” and poison gas, on his own people.
We removed a tyrant who violated 17 United Nations Resolutions, even AFTER he had invaded another country.
We enforced a Cease Fire agreement, meaning that other nations know they must honor and respect deals and treaties and cease fires made with the United States of America, or suffer the consequences.
Bill Clinton listed Iraq as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism” — George W. Bush has now removed Iraq from that list.
“Gross domestic product, or GDP, grew at a 3.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter, its fastest pace in nearly a year, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. The revised reading was much better than the government’s initial estimate of a 1.9 percent pace and exceeded economists’ expectations for a 2.7 percent growth rate.”
Politics, pure and simple, look for a big revision in about 6 months.
Phantom, One of the “experts” I read today said he sees no way to avoid official recession by the end of the year (most of us less than officials realize the truth already!). The “adjustments” you speak of can’t be manipulated much longer. We all know bush wants to get out of Dodge before the true picture is known, or at least get beyond election day, but this “expert” thought that wouldn’t be possible.
Get real!
The government does NOT control the economy, and it never has.
This is not the old Soviet Union!
However, the government is a player in the economy.
The government can NOT control corporated profits, and those figures, outside of the financial sector have done VERY well.
Unemployment claims have also declined.
There are lots of indicators that we are doing well.
Ooops, we made a mistake. (Seems I’ve heard that one before)
Franklin aka Paul – I am still waiting on those positive things the Republicans can run on? Why is it taking you so long to answer a simple question?
And if McCain is sitting there voting on names of post offices, then he is overpaid. Let’s not try to change the subject here – McCain has voted for George W. Bush’s failed foreign and domestic policies and promises to extend the very same policies and then has the audacity to ask the voters if they are worse off than they were 4 years ago. The man just does not get it.
Bill Clinton listed Iraq as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism” — George W. Bush has now removed Iraq from that l
Franklin – George W. Bush did NOT remove Saddam Hussein – the thousands of soldiers Bush sent to Iraq did that accomplishment.
And what does George W. Bush do when these soldiers return home with missing limbs and mental health issues…he cuts the military budget to take care of these soldiers. Many soldiers come home to barracks that are unlivable or go into Walter Reed Hospital that was filled with rats. Would you want your loved ones to be in those conditions?
And let’s talk about the 4,000+ soldiers who have given the ultimate sacrifice – their lives – for Bush’s ‘accomplishment’.
Let’s not give GWB credit for something he did not do, okay?
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