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The Republican platform can easily be broken down. War, welfare and whining. War to secure markets for American corporations. Welfare for the rich and corporations. And whining about gays, immigrants, abortion and a bunch of other things they don’t do anything about but use to appeal to voters who normally wouldn’t support tax cuts for the rich. If it wasn’t for the corporate media washing their backside then the Republicans wouldn’t stand a chance in the election.
Again, another GREAT first post MP!
You’re hitting the nail DIRECTLY on the head.
Yes, we have seen the effectiveness of the ‘18 percenters,’ the Democratic Controlled Congress. (cough)
The campaign promises of “stop the war now” by the leech sucking pair of Pelosi and Reid shows that duh Dems promise one thing and do the opposite.
Dems want to dress up like the ambassador in the Monopoly game and solve the World’s problem. Perhaps Osama Obama will start wearing “ear bobs” and a head dress if he gets elected.
Obama will give a good speech to the International listeners, then they will have their hand out for massive funds of which Obama will gladly fork over tax pay dollars to foreign countries.
The Cathedral in D.C. will take back stage to a newer larger Mosque and Ramadan will be celebrated in the halls of Congress with dates and nut trays available at the end of the day for their famish.
The national Zoo in D.C. will house a new primate colony. It will have an array of clever monkeys trained to extend both arms up in the air, suggesting a surrender tactic employed by their up chain elitist bipeds. Of course, the primates will be rewarded with cheese and promises of being ecologically categorized by statute and resolution for their new symbolism. All hail the new national symbol.
Bottom line is that their policies have been proven to be a path to failure.
I think bushco delivered exactly what they wanted — for the haves and the have mores.
It never mattered if over 4,100 American service people died and over 30,000 suffered life-changing injuries, that over a million innocent Iraqis were killed, millions more turned out of their homes. It never mattered that the U.S. economy was shattered and anyone less than the most wealthy suffered.
bushco probably regrets being reigned in too soon and they didn’t get war spread as far in the Mideast as planned, but hey, they still have
5 months, 18 days, 1 hour, 9 minutes
and they could do more harm!
The GOP is in it’s last throes when they have(Ir)Regular defending them with the nonsense he posted above.
Linda that day is also my son’s birthday,he saod Bush leaving office is the best present he could ever get
Either way, conservative Republicans seem destined to have a much harder time winning elections for the foreseeable future. Just ask McCain how much fun he’s having.”
Where do you get off counting McCain as a conservative? He may dangle his feet in the conservative side of the pool when it suits his purposes, but on the most important matters, he is a (yuck) moderate. If J.M was truly a conservative, why does Limbaugh have no use for him?
The GOP as defined by the ignorant and malevolent Neo-cons and Bushites is indeed dying…until the next election. Then we’ll see the next prez (pick which one) carrying the torch. It’s all the same. It’s all of the goofy party-liner’s that perpetuate these so-called “differences” in idealogies. A true REPUBLICAN and conservative is nothing like these religious zealots or chicken-hawk, “tough guy” Bush lemming’s. If these bad-ass gun toter’s had some uniform come and ask for their gun’s, they’d hand them over in a New York minute. The GOP of today: a bunch of used car salesmen in bad suits, lying to little old ladies about this “great, one-owner car”. Or else they are the Benny Hinn freak show type and…well…what more can you say?
But you “Dem’s” have no one better.
This year it seems what my Dad used to say is truer than ever,we aren’t electing a president,just changing Madams in the Brothel
OMG Mactown, do you realize what you just did? You admitted that you don’t think for yourself, that you only listen to what Rush thinks. You’re what is wrong with America.
And as such, everything he believes in has FAILED.
Freebird, America (maybe even most of the world!) will enjoy your son’s birthday next year! ;-)
This doesn’t really pertain to anything, but I wonder what the stock market will do Jan 20th as compared to other Inaugural events in the past?
Got to love the intelligence of Republicans, using such names as “Osama Obama” to describe Obama. My grandfather’s name was Adolph, and he was a great man. But oh my! There was a tyrant with the same name, so my grandfather is now evil? Again, thanks for letting everyone know just how intelligent you are. It is refreshing.
Just wait if take away Barry gets in. We will probably have a depression. Barry does stand for everything though. If he isn’t for it today he may be tomorrow. What are the environmental wackos going to say about Barry’s softening on oil drilling? What did Barry mean about the face of the dollar bills? I never heard John say anything like that. I would call that a race bait by Barry.
“Either way, conservative Republicans seem destined to have a much harder time winning elections for the foreseeable future. Just ask McCain how much fun he’s having.”
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I don’t know about that. Geriatric John is tied with the savior Obama, which is really unbelievable when you consider what’s been going on in this country. I read that Kerry was up 17 points vs W at this stage four years ago. That’s sort of a fun fact for you kiddos.
But true, it is the rise of the folks who want the government (you and me) to provide everything for them. And of course, the Democrat party panders best to them. So, it will be a challenge to win with this helpless attitude coming to this country.
Above all, Republicans need to quit trying to be Democrat light.
“Well before Senators Barack Obama and John McCain rose to the top of their parties, a partisan shift was under way at the local and state level. For more than three years starting in 2005, there has been a reduction in the number of voters who register with the Republican Party and a rise among voters who affiliate with Democrats and, almost as often, with no party at all.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/us/politics/05flip.html?bl&ex=1218081600&en=33aa74b65437bd12&ei=5087
Just more proof that republicans suck.
JJJ please read your post and ask yourself..should you REALLY be a teacher?
Good points Freebird. And of course the Repukes have Songbird Sidney as THEIR standard-bearer!
Originally a conservative, I was taught by life to think otherwise.
I come here not to praise the Republican party, but to bury it.
Obama is going to have to do two things to win the election. He’s going to have to pull his 20 million Hillary supporters on board by putting Hillary on the ticket, and he’s going to have to go in the gutter with the Republicans.
P-mama – I disagree. I think Hillary will see a stronger, more powerful role for herself in the Senate. And (hopefully) Obama won’t have to join Songbird in the gutter himself – let the HHVT’s and others take care of him there.
For the tax whiners…
The issue:
Taxes
What the liberal whiners say:
1.‘The rich don’t pay their fair share’
2.‘The working class carries the full load in this country, while the rich just keep getting richer, and paying LESS’
3.‘How about those 50 hedge fund managers Barack Obama talks about all the time who made $29 billion, but actually paid less in taxes than their $60,000 a year SECRETARIES!’
4.‘I’m sick and tired of all the corporate welfare in this country’
Your winning, logical, reasoned arguments:
1.Really? According to the Tax Foundation, the top 1% of wage-earners in this country pays nearly 40% of the burden (an 11% INCREASE over 1999, when WHO was President? Oh that’s right…Bill Clinton). Not fair? Well, you may be saying, ‘that’s because they have ALL the wealth!’ Wrong again. The top 1% of earners account for just 21% of the total adjusted gross income. Hmm. Come to think of it…you’re RIGHT! That really isn’t fair. They’re paying DOUBLE what they should be. By the way, the top 10% of earners pay 70% of the load. When you get all the way down to the top 50% of earners, they account for 96.4% of the entire tax burden. The next 10% pays 3.6%. And the bottom 40% of wage earners…pay NOTHING. That’s right, nothing. In fact, they pay nothing, and then often get a “refund” (handout) at years end.
2. Now this argument, to me, is null and void, since it comes straight from the “Communist Manifesto” by our friend, Karl Marx (no, not Richard Marx, the singer with the hair…this is the OTHER Marx brother) Simply substitute the words “working class” for proletariat and “rich” for bourgeousie, and voila! Class warfare, Marxist style. Besides, do you know ANY rich people who don’t work hard? Only 2% of this country’s rich inherited their money, like the Kennedy’s…the rest, earned it.
3. The “50 Hedge Fund mangers’ who made a combined $29 billion is one of my favorite Barack Obama campaign stories. It’s true of course. At least the part about how much money they made. Legally, by the way. But for a billionaire to pay less in taxes than his secretary, is preposterous at best. It’s impossible. I need to see their 1040 form for proof. If they pay a smaller percentage than their secretary did, their accountant needs to be made President of the United States of America, immediately. No campaign, no election. The first ever APPOINTMENT to President in American history…just based on amazing skills.
It’s also interesting to note that one of those Hedge Fund managers, of whom Obam speaks, but never names, is….George Soros. $2.9 Billion last year. Keep those Moveon.org ads coming Georgie! being the big-hearted, big government guy he is, it’s surprising he hasn’t voluntarily written out huge extra checks to the Federal Government to make up the discrepancy.
4. For this, I refer you to yesterday’s article on the evil oil companies…who, from 1977-2004 made over $643 billion in profits! But, during that time span, their disgusting “corporate welfare” situation allowed them to pay a paltry $1.343 TRILLION in state and federal taxes. What a free ride.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/13261/?ck=1
No. I want the most powerful person in the #2 slot. There is a reason that the person in the #2 is so important, and I’m afraid this will be the time we’ll need it.
I’m still just sick at how the Democrats keep shutting out the Clintons after all they did for this party and America. If she doesn’t get the VP, I might just end up dropping my party affiliation as well.
Excellent post Sol.
Thank Mr. Beck.
I enjoy that rodeo clown, he is on point most times.
“Besides, do you know ANY rich people who don’t work hard? ”
Know? No I don’t associate with such people.
But it does seem we have several such people posting here.
BlueJay
Posted August 5, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink
“Besides, do you know ANY rich people who don’t work hard? ”
Know? No I don’t associate with such people.
But it does seem we have several such people posting here.
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Ah, that is touching.
I do, they are always out at the golf course. They got people to run their stuff.
They got people to run their stuff.
So how did they get ‘thier stuff‘
The proof is in the pudding. Look at the tax charts.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/23408.html
If conservatism is being widely rejected, the answer is to be more conservative. Sounds like a winning strategy ‘pukes. Please go for it.
Thomas Frank’s new book is out today:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93253890
If conservatism is being widely rejected
Close, but it is McCain and the Neo-Cons that are being rejected by more conservative alligned voters.
“If she doesn’t get the VP, I might just end up dropping my party affiliation as well.” — p.m.
In other words your affiliation isn’t based on principals, but on petty emotions and feminism. I’m not surprised. Good riddance — it is in part the extreme views of some feminists that have made the party unpalatable to many voters. Have you ever sent the party a dime in your life?
Sol. You do well to show the side of the GOP that is still alive and kicking and well it should be.
Now all that needs to be done is defending the unilatteral nation building, the bridge to nowhere, amending the constitution so that it resembles the Bible and the Faith Based Initiative.
Then that Pachyderm can be turned right side up.
Political_mama
Posted August 5, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink
No. I want the most powerful person in the #2 slot.
Ask Hubert Humphrey, Al Gore, Walter Mondale … how important that slot it.
Liking the pic!
Except?
The elephant only looks stunned, or bowled over.
Make it look more…..dead.
I continue to hope the Dems will turn from nominating the panderer and con apologist Obama.
Roles are reversed. The cons are beaten and they know it. They deserve it. They have caused an awful lot of misery. I say, no mercy.
A scene from a movie comes to mind…..
Cons :”I know there is much to learn from each other if we can make a truce. We can find a way to Co-exist. can there be a peace between us?”
America:”Peace? NO PEACE!”
Cons : “What is it you want us to do?”
America:” Die…die…”
SolDevVB
Posted August 5, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink
If conservatism is being widely rejected
Close, but it is McCain and the Neo-Cons that are being rejected by more conservative alligned voters.
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To clarify, Sol, it is Bush fatigue that is killing McCain. And I would contend for this election cycle, McCain was the best candidate that the Repubs could have run. The problem is that Bush, et al. have so poisoned the well, that it really won’t matter who they run. They are done and I am pretty sure most sane Repubs know that.
Not true Steven. McCain started out very promising. There are just some people in the GOP who still think that they own it and can control it. Flush Lardball for one.
McCain spoke out against Jerry Falwell and was a moderate on many social issues. As some here so obviously show, they don’t want that. THEIR brand of republican is the only brand worth having.
It was a little more than 6 months ago, that the “true conservatives” as they like to call themselves, told John McCain what type of Republican he was supposed to be. Now all he has is “I am not Obama.”
Calm down, Jay, I am starting to think you need Heckler’s prescription, i.e. a lude or two… As I say above, this election is not about Obama as the eds offer in another thread, this election is about the repudiation of Bush. I will be symbolicly flushing my toilet on Jan. 20, how about you?
I am in agreement with you LLVET. I believe you are saying exactly what I was trying to communicate. I think the electorate is ready for moderation away from the pure (crap) ideology of Bush. McCain offered that. John McCain threw that away in his appeals to the Republican base (who would never like him, no matter what) during the primary season.
Yes I have given to the Democratic party. I’ve done all sorts of things for them from running booths to meetings. I will not be thrown under the bus. The polls are telling. He can’t make it without us.
You other dems think that you can turn your backs on us who have supported this party the most. Watch and see.
Ask Larry Gates who he’d rather have on his side in the Kansas Dems…someone who has openly admitted to lusting after preteen girls, or a feminist.
Conservatives will never ‘die’ just as liberal will never die. That is a good thing. Checks and balances. Would be nice to have one more party each (at least) and maybe a moderate party.
Bush is not a conservative either; quite the opposite. Big government, curtailment of civil liberties, big spending, big borrowing etc.
With Bush fatigue I agree. Neo-Con fatigue might even suit it better. McCain is even more of a Neo-Con than Bush is. Really surprised he got the nod. I think Romney stood a much better chance, but his religion and people’s ‘fear’ and/or ‘ignorance’ of the same sunk him with the media attention it got. Romney was a little closer to being a conservative than McCain will ever be.
The only candidate running that was a true conservative was of course Ron Paul. We couldn’t have anyone who would buck the current system, so he was made out to be the ‘Crazy Uncle’. When that failed, the media blacked him out. Bottom line, he made too much sense.
Exactly SOL. As soon as these, so called, “real conservatives” realize that they are neither. Then the conservatives may heal. Until then, the question remains: Will some suffer through more neocons or will they suffer through liberals?
“Bush is not a conservative either; quite the opposite. Big government, curtailment of civil liberties, big spending, big borrowing etc.”
The only thing missing from your list is corporate welfare and protecting wealthy capitolists from market driven competition. Sorry, Sol, folks from your former party run as conservatives but govern as neoconservatives once in office. Clinton did a little better, but not much really. I am wondering how much of a neocon Obama will turn into if he’s elected, which I expect that he will be. This country is a very big ship that does not do sharp turns very well.
An important reason for there not being sharp turns in our future is that there is soooooo much money riding on things not changing. I recommend Thomas Frank’s new book for a thorough analysis of this situation. See link above.
They ran out of ideas decades ago.
On another subject…I just got back from the Bay Islands…let me tell you, I was sick to see what global warming has done to the coral reefs. They are dying a rapid death due to the increased H2O temperature of the oceans…the changes I witnessed since I was there 5 years ago was devastating.
This about sums up how I feel about McCain…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo
due to the increased H2O temperature of the oceans
The ocean temps have fallen.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14944138/
They ran out of ideas decades ago.
Close, they ran out of good ideas…
“The ocean temps have fallen.”
Not in the Caribbean Sea they haven’t. It was so warm, I didn’t even have to use a wet suit the whole time I was there.
Blue Jay,
I have to take exception to your belief that the rickhin a box plant but through school and hard work and never forgetting where he came from,he was at the time of his death one of the most respected men in the industry,not only by executive types but by the people who made the boxes.At his death 18 months ago he left my Mom in the situation where she never has to worry about money.
So I just wanted to give you something to think about since you seem to paint with a very broad brush
From the link you posted:
“The oceans today are still warmer than they were during the 1980s, and most scientists expect the oceans will eventually continue to warm in response to human-induced climate change.”
I suspect that the Libertarians will do ok this year mostly because of the failed policies and lies of the conservatives
Blue jay
I have to take exception to your belif that the rich dont work hard when I was little my dad was a janitor in a box plant but
through school and hard work and never forgetting where he came from,he was at the time of his death one of the most respected men in the industry,not only by executive types but by the people who made the boxes.At his death 18 months ago he left my Mom in the situation where she never has to worry about money.
So I just wanted to give you something to think about since you seem to paint with a very broad brush
Dont know what happened to that previous post
(((((((((((((Mary))))))))))))
Glad to have you back safe and sound.
“If she doesn’t get the VP, I might just end up dropping my party affiliation as well.”
Pmom, she’s not going to get it. So.. might I invite you to join me in supporting Cynthia McKinney and the Green Party? Check her out. You’ll like what you read. I know they dont have a chance, but hey, supporting her and the Greens is better than sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing.
And if women chose their party affiliation based on “principles” we would have ALL left BOTH the democrats and republicans a long time ago. Principles are only as good as the people who carry them out. And obama, for all the bleating of “change” by his supporters, isnt going to change a goddam thing.
As Steven, and Frank, point out, big money in this country likes things just the way they are. They will NOT allow a real “change” to take place. Just some nibbling around the edges for show. And as Crowson so astutely noted today, the voters will fall for the false promises and the window dressing every time.
Whine about bushco and the damage they’ve done all we want. But look in the mirror for who’s responsible. It’s the voters. With short memories and pea brains, they CAN be fooled all the time.
CF says he frets about Menken’s quote. I fret more about PT Barnum and the truth that there’s a sucker born every minute.
Look around.
I predict the obama folks will be veeeeeery disappointed in their guy. And making fun of them when the light goes on would be fun, if it werent so sad.
We’ll see. But by the time the light goes on, we’ll be well down the road to bush’s third term. No matter who wins in November.
The big guys LIKE it that way.
A bad case of gas, is all the Repubs. have had for years.
The only REAL CHANGE candidate.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://mckinney2008.com/PRESIDENT/
“I predict the obama folks will be veeeeeery disappointed in their guy. And making fun of them when the light goes on would be fun, if it werent so sad”
I hope you’re wrong, Ksfrmgrl. I think anything would be better than another Republican administration at this point. It’s Obama’s attitude I like so much…haven’t seen any common sense in a very long time. Whoever gets the Whitehouse will have a major mess to clean up, and I doubt things will get better for a very long time…but maybe he will help us to get back in the right direction.
“You other dems think that you can turn your backs on us who have supported this party the most. Watch and see.”
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I think I’m one of these other dems simply because I accept that after the primaries Obama came out the winner thus the nominee of the Democratic Party. and I will support him. I think it is most amazing that he won those primaries against the most formidable opponent I’ve ever known — a popular, well spoken, intelligent woman with great ideas. What an accomplishment! He is running an excellent campaign and that alone is proof of his ability to lead AND to win! I also recognize there wasn’t a dimes worth of difference in the policies of Obama and Clinton.
Sure won’t ever turn my back on you, PMom.
A small dip Sol:
“The temperature drop, a small fraction of the total warming seen in the last 48 years, suggests that global warming trends can sometimes take little dips.”
Yes, there will be year-to-year fluctuations superimposed on the warming trend.
Mary, I want REAL change. It cant get any worse, (unless we really DO bomb, bomb, bomb… bomb bomb Iran) and ANY change would be better than no change.
I agree, there’s a helluva mess to fix, and it’s going to take longer than four years. But.. without REAL change, it’s never going to start.
The longest journey begins with a single step, the mighty oak grows from the tiniest acorn, blah blah blah.
Maybe he will help us to get back in the right direction?
Maybe…
But not if he refuses to make real change. Sorry to be so cynical, but I’m thinkin’ “meet the new boss same as the old boss”. Remember pelosi, reid and the democratic promises for change in congress?
How’d that work out? And there’s NO way it can be blamed on the repukes. Hell, pelosi and reid didnt even leave the starting gate, much less get STOPPED on the track.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Besides, do you know ANY rich people who don’t work hard? ”
“Know? No I don’t associate with such people.
But it does seem we have several such people posting here.”
Maybe you should expand your horizons a little more, JR..you might learn a few things…but I do understand how leaving your comfort zone can be pretty threatening.
The video’s of McKinney grilling Rumsfeld over the missing 4 trillion dollars from the Pentagon and Dyncorp/Halliburton’s sex/labor slave stealing are priceless. If she wasn’t so anti 2nd Amendment, she’d be great.
Has the Eagle, or any other MSM member, EVER shown us a picture of a “tits up” donkey?
NO!
Because, no matter how badly the Democrats do, the Eagle and other members of the liberal media feel it is their job to be cheerleaders for the Dems.
Hey, Policy is what counts, and we are kicking Pelosi’s ass. Pelosi has CAVED on drilling!:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Yjc3YzNkMWY2ZmMxY2M2MmQzZWRlNzE4MDA3ZWJkMjc=
I think we are on the verge of a major transition…and it has to do with the price of foreign oil. I truly hope gas goes to $7 a gallon like some are predicting…only then will we see major change in this country. It will take that much pain for a real revolution in this country to take place. When the majority of Americans are comfortable, it only allows the powers that be to persue their greed and screw with us, and many are even grateful for getting raped.
“So.. might I invite you to join me in supporting Cynthia McKinney and the Green Party?”
Got my stuff all packed. Save me a spot by the window?
But I have to wait for the convention.
I know, I know. I’m like the banner in that movie “On the Beach”.
Everyone is dead and the banner is still saying (I think) “It’s not too late”
But by the time the light goes on, we’ll be well down the road to bush’s third term. No matter who wins in November.
KFG’s largely correct, but for reasons different than she imagines. There will be much less “change” than we think with Obama. Gov’t is institutions much more than individuals, and institutions have a life and continuity of their own, no matter who that particular policy-maker may be.
Oh, and P-Mom: Hillary will NOT be the VP. She doesn’t want the job (and for good reason). He doesn’t want her (and for good reason). But there will likely be little dance where he will offer it, and she will turn it down.
Finally: Free markets and limited government never go out of style, and are always good. In practice, however, both parties tend to grow government and interfere with the market to benefit their favored groups; the Republicans’ core problem was largely that they promised reform but governed like Democrats. The only way to eliminate “big money” influence in government is to get government out of the business of dispensing goodies. Otherwise, rent-seeking behavior is inevitable.
Unfortunately, that is extremely unlikely. So life will go on largely as before.
And bellicose unilateralism knows no party; both parties have from time to time been guilty of this sin. Diplomacy is necessary, and international institutions are just fine. But ultimately, I expect the US government to act in the interest of the US, not some nebulous “greater good.” Occasionally, that means the US will act unilaterally, and should always reserve the right to do so. It’s called being sovereign.
SolDevVB
Posted August 5, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink
This about sums up how I feel about McCain…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo
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LOL, SOL, your giving the democrats way too much ammunition with that one. I would like to see how much the NEOCONS have a sense of humor if that one were made into a commercial.
Somehow, I guess they wouldn’t think it was so hilarious.
“Eagle and other members of the liberal media feel it is their job to be cheerleaders for the Dems.”
Earth to Paul: The Eagle endorses MANY more Republics than they do Democrats.
Mary
I hate to bust you bubble but, oil’s below $120 a barrel and dropping fast. Here’s a clue. There is no shortage of oil. And there won’t be anytime soon.
When and not if gas gets to $7 or $8 a barrel, this country is toast. It has nothing to do with going green or whatever…it’ll be the difference between eating and going. We’ll see a revolution to be sure, but are you really ready for the “pains”?
You sure?
The Donkey would have to be rearing up on his hind legs! The elephant is dead, Long Live the Donkey!
Oh jesus WEPT! Just shoot me in the head right now. I’m going to agree with both paulie and gmc.
“Hey, Policy is what counts, and we are kicking Pelosi’s ass. Pelosi has CAVED on drilling!”
No shit paulie. No shit. And she caved on FISA, and impeachment, and ending the war, and, well, just about every freakin’ thing that the repukes have wanted since 2006.
“Finally: Free markets and limited government never go out of style, and are always good. In practice, however, both parties tend to grow government and interfere with the market to benefit their favored groups”
Well said, gmc. Well said.
Get ready for Iran to flood the world market with cheap oil, denominated in Euro’s…if we don’t nuke ‘em first. If they do release all of that oil…pretty scary.
According to the Admin. oil speculators/manipulators just aren’t a factor. NOOO, it all basic supply and demand. That must be a very unstable supply demand situation!
“There will be much less “change” than we think with Obama. Gov’t is institutions much more than individuals, and institutions have a life and continuity of their own, no matter who that particular policy-maker may be.”
True enough gmc. It takes an extraordinary individual to lead real change. And I’m not seein’ any of those around this country in leadership positions.
Of course, it helps keep the institutions under control when you rat phuck the civil service hiring a la bushco’s favorite tool, monica goodling…
When and not if gas gets to $7 or $8 a barrel, this country is toast. It has nothing to do with going green or whatever…it’ll be the difference between eating and going.
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Do you mean per gallon of gas? $7 or $8 a barrel of oil is dirt cheap!
OMG, a trifecta of self loathing for me. I’m gonna agree with heckie as well.
“There is no shortage of oil. And there won’t be anytime soon.”
Unless, of course, it’s an artificial shortage created by a speculation bubble.
“Get ready for Iran to flood the world market with cheap oil, denominated in Euro’s…if we don’t nuke ‘em first. If they do release all of that oil…pretty scary.”
Hee hee hee heeeeee!
We could always turn to Chavez for help!
After the bush crime family is safely in Paraguay of course…
“Maybe you should expand your horizons a little more, JR..you might learn a few things…but I do understand how leaving your comfort zone can be pretty threatening.”
Sorry dear.
I can’t afford trips to exotic places. Like you?
And this?
“only then will we see major change in this country. It will take that much pain for a real revolution in this country to take place. When the majority of Americans are comfortable, it only allows the powers that be to persue their greed and screw with us,”
Oh I agree.
Nothing like pain to shake up complacency. And yeah, it’s gotta be.
But? Lets’ be honest.
You’ll be out of the way won’t you?
An awful lot of people are gonna hurt. But not you.
I find your eagerness for others pain disgusting.
But, But, But We haven’t drilled here nor drilled now. How are we paying $.50 a gallon less?
The question wasn’t necessarily to you Heckler. More to the “drill here, pay less” crowd.
This has been a good thread. Thanks for all of the good posts. Must go vote and work after. Keep up the good work here.
Heh – I agree with GMC and KFG.
The notion that Republican ideology has anything to do with “free” markets is a myth. That’s what they’d like us to believe. At least the Dems make no bones about what they want to do.
Government intervention in the economy is a bipartisan habit, and, agree or disagree, I really think it goes back to the beginnings of both parties: the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans! ;)
Whether there is as much change I would like to see, whether Obama disappoints or not, I will take my chances (and I understand it is always taking a chance!) on his nominations to the Supreme Court over McCain’s. The terms there last longer than that o a POTUS and we are dangerously close to imbalance!
But for now if it’s OK I’ll HOPE for much more!
“For me! For me! A share of the plunder for me!”
Whups, bad editor.. 7 or 8 a gallon. Sheesh.
I’m willing to make the sacrifice so that things will get BETTER for us in the long run. And no, I won’t be out of the way, JR…I drive over a hundred miles a day when I make rounds on my patients.
Maybe I’ll move to Honduras…no one there even has a car…and you don’t see any obesity either..the funny thing is, people aren’t whining and everyone seems happy, especially the expatriots who live there.
The simple life is really the best…like Picasso once said..”The secret to being happy is to be a rich man, but to live like a poor one”.
Spot on Rage:
No government intervention in Business. Right on. Don’t intervene in Drugs, Alcohol, Gaming, Prostitution, and all other businesses.
Also, no intervention in foreign oil fields.
LOL.
Somehow, I don’t think the NEO-CONS mean that anymore. I think they mean “don’t intervene in what WE don’t want to be intervened in. Aside from those, intervene away.”
Blue Jay
With all due respect I just have a question do you not believe some one can become successful and not forget where they came from?
Freebird, don’t waste your breath…he resents anyone who has worked hard to make their life better and succeeded. To judge, assume, and condemn their actions, ideas, and beliefs is only way he knows how to deal with it.
Freebird: I am not going to answer for Blue Jay. But I am going to say that in my experiences, I only became successful when I forgot where I came from and moved on. I don’t know if that was the basis that you were speaking from or not. Just putting my 2 cents in.
Well said Mary. I prefer the quote from Henry David Thoreau: “The richest man(paraphrase/ person) doesn’t have the most. Rather (s)he needs the least.
Please do not presume to speak for me Mary.
Sure there are people who make it big and remember where they came from Freebird.
I don’t think that includes Mary.
I think I’d leave Obama out of that too.
John McCain, a Conservative?
You must be joking.
Mary,
Do you ever get annoyed having to stop and wait for that gate to open to get home every day?
LOL
When I said he didn’t forget where he camefrom I mean when he saw someone working hard like he did he was always willing to help them anyway he could to help so that they could have the same opportunities he was given. Not forgeting where he came from made my Dad the man he was
“Get ready for Iran to flood the world market with cheap oil, denominated in Euro’s…if we don’t nuke ‘em first. If they do release all of that oil…pretty scary.” — Pleefer.
I get so sick of this bullshit about oil being valued in dollars. It’s meaningless what currancy the oil is being valued in. In Europe, they pay Euros for it and in Mexico they pay pesos for it. Here we pay devalued dollars.
For all of you die-hard Hillary supporters; Hillary ran a hell of a campaign, but she lost.
Obama is the Democratic candidate. We may well regret that down the road, but there are only 2 choices and Obama is a better choice than McCain as far as the welfare and well-being of this country is concerned.
BJ, KFG, P-mom, considering how close this election is going to be, you’re not just throwing your vote away, you’re contributing to a republican win at a time when we need every vote we can get to defeat this evil that has settled over our country these past few years. This election should be a cake walk for Democrats. Instead, we have a bunch of supposed progressives acting like spoiled children.
When McCain wins, a major part of the blame goes directly to the crybaby Hillary supporters. You can quit your complaining about Bush III; you helped cause it.
KFC, what do you suppose is going to happen to the gay agenda whit McCain in charge? You’ll have yourself to blame.
If Obama loses, Hillary can run again in 4 years and you Hillary supporters will have your revenge, or so you think.
But next time around, there’s a hell of a lot of us who won’t forget what you did. Payback is a b*tch.
Cynthia McKenny = Dingbat = Looser
Ha!! You ARE funny, JR. I love where I “came from”, and have never departed from it. I grew up in a blue collar, working class neighborhood…and that’s where I learned my values of having a hard work ethic and self reponsibility. I’m sorry you obviously never had such an experience, if you had, you might be in a better space today.
HA!!! Didn’t your dad tell you, Nathan? Someone stole our gate!!
Fair enough freebird. Don’t trust anyone who is cruel to the Waiter or the Janitor. That I can agree with.
I suppose that is why I don’t like McCain nor Dubya. If McCain had EARNED his way into Annapolis, rather than using daddy’s influence, I could respect him more. If Dubya had EARNED his political way, rather than using daddy’s influence, I could respect him more.
Why are NEOCONS so tolerant of this tangent of Aristocracy? Is it just payback for the Kennedy’s?
Good to see you posting XXX.
Well, you have a point.
There are folks in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and elsewhere who will have to think VERY carefully.
But I live in Kansas.
Obama aint gonna be within 10 points of McCain in Kansas.
It’s sort of a double edged sword. I can vote how I really want.
But it will not matter one bit as to the outcome.
And Mary?
I don’t think we have anything further to say to one another.
“BJ, KFG, P-mom, considering how close this election is going to be, you’re not just throwing your vote away, you’re contributing to a republican ” —
it doesn’t make any difference at all how they vote because this is Kansas and McCain will take 75 percent of the presidential vote. It’s easy to make threats in a state which doesn’t count, and never will.
Maybe BlueJay was talking about the gate to our burn pit?
“And Mary?
I don’t think we have anything further to say to one another.”
Backing down so soon, JR? Where’s the guy who loves a good fight?
I’d love to stay and chat some more…but I have to go to WORK…see ya on the flip side!
Good one, Nathan:):):)!
But, But, But We haven’t drilled here nor drilled now. How are we paying $.50 a gallon less?
What Farmie said, Speculators. Well guess what, speculators see the will of Americans to drill for more oil and it will affect their actions.
ALSO. Don’t look now but there’s over 1700 rigs drilling in the U.S. right now. There’s about 70 of them right now in North Dakota doing horizontal drilling into a cache of oil that is estimated to be larger than all the oil Saudi Arabia ever dreamed of having. And there’s a big new eco-friendly refinery going in in South Dakota to help process it all.
Just one more shot before I go…when was the last time YOU wiped someone’s ass, JR?
Come with me to work sometime and I’ll show you what the real world is like.
Now That has to be one of America’s best kept secrets! You’re a riot!
There is life in the McCain campaign.
You have to like a Republican that goes to Sturgis!
Wow!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_5
“I will take the roar of 50,000 Harleys over the roar of 200,000 Germans Any Day!”
beber
Posted August 5, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
it doesn’t make any difference at all how they vote because this is Kansas and McCain will take 75 percent of the presidential vote. It’s easy to make threats in a state which doesn’t count, and never will.
berber, that’s what makes you, and people like you losers. I used to believe that “my vote doesn’t count” crap, too. Until I saw a union vote go down by ONE vote.
The problem with some of you sissy Libs…you’re always ready to give up.
No guts
No spine
Just all mouth
By the way, Welcome back to the zoo, XXX!
Your good sense has been sorely missed.
I don’t back down Mary.
And the memory of you as a friend moves me to leave it there.
With the admonition that you do not well represent your candidate of choice here.
Change …through the misery of others.
Hey Rage,
Best to you, my friend!
CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama responded Saturday to criticism that he has changed his position on opposing offshore oil drilling.
Obama said Friday that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.
“My interest is in making sure we’ve got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices,” Obama told The Palm Beach Post early into a two-day swing through Florida . . .
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That’s the way you do it. You give the opposition something they want, so you get the much more important thing you want. It’s how government operated before Worst. President. Ever. sold government to the highest bidder and literally told Democrats to “go f*** themselves.” (See Cheney’s comment to Patrick Leahy on the floor of the Senate.)
Tell ya what XXX.
I’m very politically aware. I’ll be watching the polls right up to election day.
If Obama polls within 5 points of McCain in Kansas? Right before the election?
Then I’D have to think about it.
But I tell you honestly, there is just something not right about the guy. That’s gut, I know.
But if I have the margin to go with my gut, that’s what I gotta do.
Capn
No one more deserving of a good piece of advice than Leahy.
XXX- Have you and Mrs XXX recovered from your crash?
Any bike plans in the future?
Harsh words from someone who puts his son in mortal danger . . .
That comprehensive part is what scares the shit out of repub. leaders. Which is why they’re trying to demand emergency legislative session on the off shore drilling.
gster
Posted August 5, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink
XXX- Have you and Mrs XXX recovered from your crash?
Any bike plans in the future?
gster, we’re back on top of our game. I’m about as tough a character as they come, and while I may get busted up now and again, I always come back better than ever. Thanks for asking. Mrs. XXX came through with only a scraped knee. She had the good sense to land on top of me.
Bike plans are for next year…other priorities this year.
BJ
What a hyporcite you are!
Your statement, to Mary, is perhaps the BEST discription of you to appear on this thread:
“You’ll be out of the way won’t you?
An awful lot of people are gonna hurt. But not you.
I find your eagerness for others pain disgusting.”
—-
I think Mary is wrong on many fronts, but, like many of my friends and relatives, she knows how to disagree with manors and grace.
You do not.
You openly wish for the deaths of your opponents, and nothing makes you more happy than the thought of a political opponent in pain.ll
XXX- Great- glad to hear it. I figured you could handle street rash! I lost a hard drive at home and lost your email address so I couldn’t inquire directly.
Take care.
CapnAmerica,
Since when did horses become a “mortal danger?”
If that is the case, both my father and I brave “mortal danger” daily.
LOL
FIRST DEBATE–Gore v Bush
Moderator: How would you contrast your approach to preventing future oil price and supply problems like we have now [with your opponent]?
BUSH: It’s an issue I know a lot about. I was a small oil person for a while in west Texas. This is an administration that’s had no plan. And all of a sudden the results of having no plan have caught up with America. First and foremost we have to fully fund — heat which is a way to help low income people in the east to pay for high fuel bills. We need an active exploration incentive in America. We need to explore at home. You bet I want to open up a small part of Alaska. When that field is online it will produce one million barrels a day. Today we import one million barrels from Saddam Hussein. I would rather that a million come from our own hemisphere, have it come from our own country as opposed to Saddam Hussein. I want to develop the coal resources in America. Have clean coal technologies. We better start exploring it or otherwise we’ll be in deep trouble in the future because of our dependency upon foreign sources of crude. . . . I brought this up recently with the newly elected president in Mexico, he’s a man I know from Mexico. I talked to him about how best to expedite the exploration of natural gas in Mexico and transport it up to the United States so we become less dependent on foreign sources of crude oil. It’s a major problem facing America. The administration did not deal with it. It’s time for a new administration to deal with the energy problem.
*****
Price of gas in 2000– 1.50
Price of gas in 2008– 4.00
Amount of imported oil in 2000– 10 millon barrels/day
Amount of imported oil in 2005-07– 12-14 million barrels/day
http://zfacts.com/p/196.html
This is an administration that’s had no plan.
This is an administration that’s had no plan.
This is an administration that’s had no plan.
Nathan–
I grew up with horses too, so you can cut the “I-know-more-than-you-do” BS.
Did you get kicked in the head like little Heckler, Jr.?
That would explain a lot actually . . .
“Fair enough freebird. Don’t trust anyone who is cruel to the Waiter or the Janitor. That I can agree with.”
And NEVER trust a skinny chef.
B Jay,
Polls are notoriously unreliable as we saw in the ‘04 elections.
Vote the way you want. Just don’t complain when the republicans eat your lunch when Bush III comes to power.
Oh CHRIST what a day. Now I have to agree with beber?
It does NOT matter which preznit candidate I vote for in Kansas. The kookaide drinkers make sure of that every year.
Big difference here. The union vote was a straight up vote. The presidential election? E C votes.
When obama gets even REMOTELY close to mcsame in kansas, give me a call.
“KFC, what do you suppose is going to happen to the gay agenda whit McCain in charge?”
Um, gee (cue jeopardy music)…
The same thing that will happen with obama?
I think I hit a daily double on that one.
gster, check with Blue Jay. He knows how to contact me.
X., just shot off an email to gster with your Yahoo addr in the cc:. I figured you wouldn’t mind.
LOL KSFG: I hear ya there. I was always nice to the cooks and the KP’s. I still am. Thanks for reminding me. I haven’t watched “Fight Club” in ages. I could use a good laugh.
Oh, and one more thing…
I am supporting Cynthia because of her positions on the issues, and her personal strength. It’s not a protest vote. I’d be supporting her no matter WHO the dems nominated. Even if it was Hillary.
Although, I sure as hell trust Hillary more than obama.
Whatever. IF obama wins? I’m SO gonna enjoy rubbing your collective noses in his crawfishing.
McCain must be getting old, that was his biggest mistake was running as a Republican this election. He’s by far the most towards the center. Obama is way out in left field. I see McCain winning the election, but not without a price, your going to have lower class African Americans screaming racism, that Obama lost and the election was rigged, and we’ll probably see rioting, rivaling that of Rodney King, except on a nation wide level.
You really should give Obama a break, KsGrrl.
You can’t blame him for being born with a Y chromosome.
As for “Obama won’t help gay rights any more than McCain,” c’mon, that doesn’t even make good nonsense.
You know what KFG? I was going to vote for Barr because he is the Libertarian candidate. I think I will just write in Ron Paul. Either way my vote doesn’t get counted, but at least I will know I voted for who I thought was best for the job.
Sol — You live in Michigan. Your vote stands a good chance of actually making a difference.
So, quick question: gun to your head, which is least repulsive to you: McCain or Obama?
Oooh, Barnie’s already worried about “scary negros.”
Go back under your white hood, Barn . . .
P.S. Not that I’m denigrating voting one’s conscience–more power to you.
So long as you’re prepared to deal with the fallout.
So, quick question: gun to your head, which is least repulsive to you: McCain or Obama?
Pull the trigger. I think either of them will do great damage.
CapnAmerican, I’m being realistic here, you have a rapper like ludacris stirring up a whole bunch of stuff, and basically being classless. If Obama is going to win, it’s going to be by the hair of an elephants ass, and if he dosen’t win, I can guarantee you there’s going to be riots in the name of racism which dosen’t exist on the scale blacks are making it out to be. If Obama loses, it’s not because he’s black, it’s because he’s inexperienced.
McKinney is a nut:
Friday, April 12, 2002; Page A16
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that “persons close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America’s new war.”
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them.
Nothing nutty about that–it’s been well established. Ever heard of “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S.”
That hardly makes here a 9-11 “truther.”
“I can guarantee you there’s going to be riots in the name of racism which dosen’t exist on the scale blacks are making it out to be.”
Said by a white guy no doubt. I’m so sure he’s the expert on racism, looking from the outside in and all.
“You really should give Obama a break, KsGrrl.
You can’t blame him for being born with a Y chromosome.”
Well, you should give Hillary a break. She cant help it she was born with an X chromosome.
How condescending to think I only support Cynthia because she’s a woman. Or I dont support obama because he’s a man. Hell, I’d vote for BILL Clinton again if I could.
I guess all those black folks who support obama just do so because he’s black?
And as for the “gay agenda” under obama? Anyone who gets their fundraising boosts from mclurkin and caldwell is SO gonna be a friend of the gay community, right?
Said by the straight guy looking from the outside in.
Like I said, I cant WAIT to rub your collective noses in it if obama takes office and folds like a cheap lawn chair. Like he did on FISA. And offshore drilling. And…. (fill in the blank).
…and just for the record, I’d vote for Russ Feingold in a HEARTBEAT!
And I would have voted for Wellstone too.
Real progressives those guys. Not like obama.
Rage- Thanks for the address help.
G
Feingold didn’t run.
Wellstone is dead.
Bill Clinton can’t run.
I myself never support a candidate. I support my country, and I vote for the candidate I think will support my country the best.
Obama is so obviously that choice, I can’t believe I’m even having this conversation . . .
Do you see me supporting mcsame?
obama is YOUR obvious choice. Since the false choice thingy is at play here and all…
Barnie opines, “If Obama loses, it’s not because he’s black, it’s because he’s inexperienced.”
Totally wrong, Barnie.
If Obama loses, it’s because people like you and Fox News and Karl Rove (who now works for Fox News, fer heaven’s sake) are playing the race=fear card with “the scary blacks are taking over!!!”
I thought Faux News had turned into the Jeremiah Wright channel 24/7 there for awhile . . .
Well, that’s where we differ.
In a two-party system, you don’t have a “false choice.” You have a real choice: Republican or Democratic.
And if you think the two parties are just the same, explain the last seven years to me, because they would have been vastly different under President-in-Exile Gore.
are playing the race=fear card with “the scary blacks are taking over!!!”
How very racist of you.
How about “The scary socialist/Marxist is taking over.”
You are going to wear that race card out capn. Keep it in your pocket.
I thought Faux News had turned into the Jeremiah Wright channel 24/7 there for awhile . . .
That was pretty weird. Even my apolitical friends noticed that one.
CapnAmerica posted August 5, 2008 at 12:40 pm (emphasis added)
“FIRST DEBATE–Gore v Bush
BUSH: You bet I want to open up a small part of Alaska. When that field is online it will produce one million barrels a day.”
———
Bush’s plan was to deceive Americans.
1) Almost the entire 1.5 million acres of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would be opened to exploration and production.
A speculative map of what the 2,000-acre “limit”(sic) allows,
http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html
2) There is no guarantee that the Refuge has economically recoverable amounts of oil. The Badami oil field is about 1/2 way between Prudhoe Bay and the Refuge. It was shutdown when oil prices were lower, because it did not produce as expected — the oil is trapped in multiple small chambers.
When oil prices rose, they tried to restart Badami, but are still having problems.
‘BP and Savant looking at Badami restart’
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/610780426.shtml
“Major and independent would drill two wells over the next two years to avoid losing lands at the unit, hopefully restart field.”
You know what concerns me the most is that the MSM isn’t discussing why Obama is falling behind in the polls. They’re not discussing US….the ones who would love nothing more than to vote for Obama, if only he would do the right thing by us.
Surely someone on his staff is laying out how it is- and if he continues to ignore it, then he deserves to lose.
What bothers me more than that, however, is that anyone could possibly vote for McCain after this administration. Perhaps America is lost for good. The best of what we stood for is gone.
The neocons have made sure of it.
I find myself wishing I could move to someplace else.
And yeah KFG, I’ll vote for McKinney. Even if a token vote.
fleettwood
Posted August 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
McKinney is a nut:
Friday, April 12, 2002; Page A16
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that “persons close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America’s new war.””
And she was right. Remember the hearings where Rice said the report “bin laden determined to strike;….and the bush admin people HAVE INDEED made a fortune off the war in Iraq.
She was dead right. If you’re going to make a comment at least make sure its false. And you wonder why I call you enema.
P-mom:
All that last post proves is that you may be as nutty as McKinney.
Sorry. couldn’t resist.
I find myself wishing I could move to someplace else.
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out . . .
CapnAmerica,
You are the one saying that being around a horse is some “mortal danger” not me. So yes, I do think I know more about horses than you do.
I’d be happy to leave you to your own demise GMC.
literally told Democrats to “go f*** themselves.” (See Cheney’s comment to Patrick Leahy on the floor of the Senate.)
To capn america, what a glorious day that was. What true American hasn’t wanted to tell “leaky” Leahy to go commit an unnatural act with himself. That traitorous SOB divulged top secret information to our enemies when he was chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He should have been hanged from the nearest lamp post for being a slime ball traitor. Shame on the good people of Vermont for continuing to return this worthless piece of human garbage to the U.S. Senate. That comment on the floor of the Senate was Dick Cheneys finest hour. That and the time during the 2000 campaign when an open mike picked up candidate Cheneys whisper into candidate Bushs ear that a certain NY Times reporter was an a$$hole. And Bush nodding enthusiastically.
“That traitorous SOB divulged top secret information to our enemies when he was chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He should have been hanged from the nearest lamp post for being a slime ball traitor. ”
Are you sure you are not referring to Libby and others in the White House for deliberately and maliciously outing a CIA operative?
Yeah that sure makes you proud doesn’t it? Lets count the other proud moments in Bushit history shall we?
1. Ignoring a report titled “bin laden determined to strike within the US’.
2. Telling anyone who brought up bin laden to not waste his time.
3. Telling his people after the attacks to find anything they could to link Saddam to 911.
4. Lying to the American people about WMD to further his cause.
5. Bush calling the constitution a ‘goddamned piece of paper’.
6. Trying to massage a female world leader’s shoulders in which she recoiled in disgust.
7. Sounding like a total idiot when talking to Tony Blair at a world conference while still on mic.
8. Rising gas prices out of control
9. Saying how he knew how it felt for families trying to put food on their families.
10. Hiring all his staff from Liberty U.
11. Heck of a job Brownie
12. Heckuva job Rummy.
13. The IRAQ FIASCO.
14. Ignoring the families of fallen soldiers.
15. BLOWING OFF BIN LADEN AGAIN.
oh the list could go on and on.
Oh yeah that too, not to mention ‘mission accomplished’.
Wow, that’s some list P_Mom. I’ll bet you had to work really hard on thinking up those. Too bad none of it’s true.
Did President Bush call the Constitution a “goddamned piece of paper?”
Is it true that President Bush called the Constitution a “goddamned piece of paper?” He has never denied it, and it appears that there were several witnesses.
A: Extremely unlikely. The Web site that reported those words has a history of quoting phony sources and retracting bogus stories.
The report that Bush “screamed” those words at Republican congressional leaders in November 2005 is unsubstantiated, to put it charitably.
We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue, a Web site that has a history of relying on phony sources, retracting stories and apologizing to its readers.
You wish MacTown. And no, didn’t take me long at all, as fast as I could type which is pretty fast.
Was just what I thought of off the top of my head.
TheBorgHunter
Posted August 5, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
Wow, that’s some list P_Mom. I’ll bet you had to work really hard on thinking up those. Too bad none of it’s true.
What I really meant to say was, you seem to want to confuse democrat talking points with truth and reality.
“the [Century] Foundation has sought liberal, progressive solutions to the nation’s problems.”
Isn’t it a given that this bunch doesn’t care for Conservatives? We already know where they are coming from.
Why not have a thread from, say, National Review and talk about how they think the dems are bankrupt. Same difference.
Ben
NOBODY was ever charged with “outing” political hack Valerie Plame.
Her husband, political hack Joe Wilson, is probably more responsible than anyone else, for the notoriety Wilson’s lies brought about.
Wilson lied in claiming he was sent to Africa by Cheney.
Wilson lied when he said he made a written report of his trip.
Wilson lied when he said his report said that Saddam was not trying to get uranium from Niger.
(Wilson’s oral report said that Saddam WAS trying to do just that!)
Wilson lied when Wilson said he had knowledge of or had seen “forged documents” prior to his oral report. Wilson learned of those documents only after his report was given. Wilson admitted, in a Senate hearing, that he “mispoke” about that point in Wilson’s Op-Ed piece.
Wilson lied when he said that his wife, Plame, had NOTHING to do with Wilson going to Africa.
Just a little tip:
IF your spouse is truly a “spy” don’t go into politics, don’t write Op-Ed pieces, and don’t attack your country’s military and intelligence policy.
Joe Wilson put Valerie Plame on EVERYBODY’s radar screen, including all of our foreign enemies!
Furthermore, Valerie Plame was not “covert” under the law.
Nobody was ever charged with “outing” Plame because Plame did not fall under the protection of any law protecting her CIA employment.
Plame parked, openly, in a CIA parking lot.
Wilson bragged, often, about his wife’s CIA employment.
Ben, you love to bring up BS.
Pmom you forgot sitting and reading my pet goat for 20 minutes after learning the country was getting attacked.
Tom
Bush did exactly what needed to be done.
Was Bush supposed to terrify the kids?
Our military, FBI and Secret Service had no idea, at that moment, what was going on.
What do you suggest Bush should have done, during those 20 minutes?
This place reminds me of wack a mole.
“Bush did exactly what needed to be done.
Was Bush supposed to terrify the kids?”
Why, can Bush not leave a room without shouting, “We’re all going to die!”?
so “scooter” libby is a felon why?
a “sorry kids something important happened got to go” probably would have been sufficient, a lot better than looking like an incompetent boob.
Maggot
Why did Bush need to leave the room?
Military Bearing, look it up.
Calm in a Crisis, a GOOD trait.
What could Bush POSSIBLY do, when he left the room? What could any President do, in that situation?
Information was scarce, confusion was rampant, cooler heads would recognize that a knee jerk reaction was not a good idea, and that a “wait and see” attitude was very well advised.
During the “Battle for Britain” while the Germans were hitting the British every day and night, from the air, the Brits refused to alter their routines.
If you have nothing else to do, besides read a book to kids, like you intended in the first place, then READ A BOOK TO KIDS!
A video of the President running for cover, and leaving all the kids in the room, abandoned, is not what the terrorists deserved to see.
You are being very, very petty.
Tom
Libby is in trouble for statements made to investigators, not for “outing” Plame.
Right, the kids emotions are more important when your country is under attack! What about this, ‘Excuse me, I’ve got some presidenting business to do.” Then jump on Air force one and go hop scotching across the country.
“A video of the President running for cover, and leaving all the kids in the room, abandoned, is not what the terrorists deserved to see.
You are being very, very petty.”
Yes, we have defeated the terrorists. Rather than have Bush politely excuse himself in a cordial manner he acted promptly by sitting on his ass for five minutes looking like a stoned chimp.
No doubt when the Japanese invaded Pearl Harbor President Roosevelt told his staff, “In a minute, I want to see how this Beetle Baily comic ends.”
No doubt if McCain is in charge and New York is nuked he’ll be spending another 10 minutes in the washroom trying to pee.
Paul, how about a new motto for the GOP:
“The GOP, we’ll get around to it when we are good and ready.”
BTW, congrats on having the Republicans boo the VFW. Very classy.
BTW, congrats on having the Republicans boo the VFW. Very classy.
Where do you get this B.S. Maggotpuke? I don’t know what world your living in, but maybe you ought to get away from Democratic Underground long enough to clear your head.
What I do know is true is that in 2004 at the Democrat State convention in Albany, New York, just before John Kerry and Hillary Clinton were set to speak, those fine upstanding convention delegates roundly booed a Boy Scout Color Guard. I’m not sure if they were booing the Flag or those mean ole homophobic Boy Scouts, but it showed a lot of class, didn’t it. Even more telling was the fact that neither Kerry or Clinton rebuked the crowd for their reprehensible behavior.
The difference between a Conservative and a Liberal is clear. What I said truly happened and is well documented. What you said is total Barbra Striesand.
Oh yeah, Maggotpuke. If you think I’m calling you a liar, I AM!!!
It is 8:14, and STILL nothing from the election commissioners web page?
http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/Prim08/index.html
Franklin you said it best “Our military, FBI and Secret Service had no idea, at that moment, what was going on.” The president as CinC well its his job to know whats going on or to find out. to sit and do nothing for almost 20 minutes, not knowing who, how, where were being attacked while under attack is inexcusable, shows a lack of judgement, and shows a man who freezes under pressure.
Tom
Bullshit!
IF the President, our Commander in Chief, had been on the phone, the person he was talking to would have been taken out of service.
It is NOT the job of the President to micro-manage National Security, National Defense or Law Enforcement.
George W. Bush would have paralyzed the process, kept top people out of the loop, and tied up the very people that the country needed, to respond to the threat, if Bush had started making phone calls at that time.
Bush did the right thing.
There was nothing else to be done, at that time.
bush was a damn deer in headlights that morning. Anyone claiming otherwise either hasn’t seen the video.
Or they are lying.
What his dim, frazzled little brain was chewing on in those minutes will only ever be known to him. He’ll write those thoughts with a careful eye to look as good as possible.
But my word is as good as his!
“What did Andy say? Did he say America is under attack? From crashing planes?
Somebody tried to tell me about that. When was that? Who was that?
I want a taco.
I’ll think about that later. I wanna see how this book comes out!”
You are SO full of spit Paul, your Plame information is astoundingly FALSE. Even they said that Plame WAS covert, now you’re going to argue with the CIA investigators who determined that?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
Give me a break. Jesus, tell your people to be honest for a change.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
WHO gets OUT of writing reports when they’re out on a secret mission? Please!
I just don’t see how it is possible that any of these people who claim to be for McCain can be looked upon as anything rational or helpful to be SO dishonest and SO off the charts. Its like having Charles Manson trying to explain why we should vote for him.
Pmom
The CIA has absolutely NO legal authority to issue a legal opinion on any suspected violation of the law.
When ANY question of the law comes up, the CIA must make a DOJ referral of the matter.
That is what happened.
The woman who WROTE the law protecting “covert” agents has said, clearly, that the law did NOT cover Valerie Plame, at that time.
The CIA can not issue legal opinions.
The CIA can not arrest anyone.
The CIA has no authority, in this matter, CIA employees are simply witnesses.
Pmom
Joe Wilson was on a rather strange mission.
It was politically motivated, from the start, as a way for Plame and Wilson to undermine Bush.
Wilson NEVER wrote a report, he gave an oral “debrief” to the CIA.
That is the truth.
And, if Wilson was an “Agent” himself, how does Wilson get away with writing his FALSE Op-Ed to the newspaper?
Wilson was an fraud, from the start, where this matter is concerned.
Bush did the right thing.
Only lunitic fringe nut cakes think otherwise, on this particular 9-11 matter.
During the few minutes Bush was meeting with those kids, there is NOTHING else he could have done, but try to stay out of the way and wait for some reports from the field.
kansas native
You are a crude weird twisted person.
I am single, by the way.
Well I’ll say this for the cons.
They’re consistent.
“The change you deserve”?
That sounds like “It all your fault!” in advance!
“Bush did the right thing.
Only lunitic fringe nut cakes think otherwise”
Polls say different. THE most unpopular President since they STARTED keeping track.
Another wacked mole pops up. What the heck, rewrite history if it helps validate you.
As I understand it, the president was first informed that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. No indication it was not an aviation accident. When the second one hit, then everyone knew and the president left to attend to things.
It comes down to Democrat folks making stuff up so they can ridicule Bush in their inimitable, idiotic, hyena pack fashion. But you know we love you guys anyway.
BTW, how long ago did that happen and why does it matter? Is CapnAmerica recycling old articles out of his shorts again?
BJ
Your ego is one thing, polls are another.
The American public thought Bush did a great job, on 9-11 and the days following.
Show me a poll that says the American public wishes that Bush had tied up the phone lines, and bothered all of his cabinet secretaries, micromanaging events from the start of the attacks, would you?
You are ridiculous.
KansasNative
There are independents and people new to the political process, who read these blogs.
Thank you for repulsing many people, tonight.
Those people should know that the Republican Party is the party of true tolerance, and the Democrat Party is home to vile, crude hatemongers like you!
Maybe if they drill here, drill now, they might find the gas to keep em going. No wonder they want offshore drilling; it goes right along with their off shore tax free bank accounts. Or maybe they need the oil to “lube” those rusty joints they forgot how to use. They can use it to “grease” the palms of those they want contributing to their reelection funds. They can also “embrocate” themselves with it for their little side games in the men’s room. Although that would be a bit “crude” even for them . . . well, maybe not.
But I’m thinking the main reason is they’re just plain “fossils.”
You can tell when Democrats are worried.
They cuss more.
They insult more.
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Franklin
Posted August 5, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
KansasNative
There are independents and people new to the political process, who read these blogs.
Thank you for repulsing many people, tonight.
Those people should know that the Republican Party is the party of true tolerance, and the Democrat Party is home to vile, crude hatemongers like you!
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Gee, sub Franklin, and it reads the same. Nice to know we got a blog monitor. I can sleep well tonight:-)
Well,
People didn’t KNOW did they paulie?
The fact that bush was a deer in headlights for several minutes the morning of 911 was only revealed a few years later in Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 911″.
What if that footage had gotten out at the same time as bush was making his little staged event on the rubble pile?
They might have run bush outta office on a rail.
Poor Franklin: Humor makes ones life last longer. I guess he must already be dead and just doesn’t know it yet.
“There are independents and people new to the political process, who read these blogs.
Thank you for repulsing many people, tonight.
Those people should know that the Republican Party is the party of true tolerance, and the Democrat Party is home to vile, crude hatemongers like you!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
People should also know that “Franklin” was recruited by thugs for his “fighting ability” to assault people in parks.
Junior is in fine form tonight: the usual drivel.
defend deflect deny..defend deflect deny..defend deflect deny..
out, bush knew the first plane hit before sitting down. it was the second that he sat and sat and sat.
and paul i gave you the gd link and you still deny.
kn is right. you villified clinton for less.
new poll shows obama up 8pts…but faux is still reporting only 2. Its not the democrat’s donkey they’ve got flipped upside down in this thread. You all better figure out quick who is trying to lead this country forward, and who is trying to destroy it. Cuz it aint the democrats doing the destroying.
BJ
If you had any honesty, integrity or class, you would add that I contacted the police, and that I personally helped stop that particular activity, among those thugs.
All I get from it “Franklinpaulie” is the sort of folk you hang with.
What were you a stranger in a strange land and you AWED the thugs with your physique?
No, I’m not thinking so.
I’M thinking that your bragging is honest and your equivocating is not.
BJ
you are projecting, again.
You do that quite a bit.
You are a loathsome, vindictive, twisted person.
Most of us are a bit more stable than you.
I was not bragging, when I first explained that situation.
I was put on the spot, called, in effect, a “gay basher” and I protested that I had actually done something AGAINST actual gay bashing.
I was not bragging, I was defending myself.
And, all a shallow, hateful person like you can do is insult me for having knowledge of this vile activity, even though I put a stop to it?
You have NO honor JR.
You know, Labor Unions, and the Democrat Party, and several liberal interest groups have PAID positions.
There is a reason why none of them have hired you.
There is a reason that none of them have asked for your advice.
You have a poisonous personality and no normal person would want to work with you.
Your ideology is simply something you need, psychologically. You MUST be a victim —
Otherwise, you would have to admit that your miserable life is ALL YOUR FAULT!
I’m not the one ranting paulie/Franklin.
Hey you make it easy.
How DOES one get around to being asked to engage in criminal assault?
You HAVE to have been having some sort of other conversation with the thugs.
I mean, they didn’t see you sitting there in the dive or wherever it was and just come up and ask you if you wanted to join the goon squad.
It’s too late for you to try and claim YOU went looking, cape on your back to find these evil doers to turn them in.
No they had to seen something in you. You and the thugs had to have….something in common interest that would bring the conversation around to “Hey, you’re a big guy! Wanna help us beat up people in parks?”
“Oh yeah, Maggotpuke. If you think I’m calling you a liar, I AM!!!”
Of course you are, you uninformed conservatives (redundant) often accuse me of lying. But as usual I have the facts on my side, and on video no less.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/04/house-conservatives-boo-veterans-organizations-who-urge-a-clean-military-funding-bill/
Democrats want to pass a veterans bill and when Democratic Representative Chet Edwards read a quote from the VFW the Republicans booed. It just proves once again that Republicans hate veterans.
You conservatives must just like being proven wrong over and over again. Just play it safe next time and assume I’m correct, it saves you the time of being made to look foolish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5mjN32G1iI
Paul Rossell, an American Idiot…
Please, please folks! Our Fearless Leader was not “doing nothing for twenty minutes after being informed of the attack.” He was waiting patiently for his pants to dry so that he could exit the classroom with all his dignity intact!