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The Democrats have suddenly developed a keen sense of morality. John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the Democratic Convention for having an affair and lying about it.
In his place Bill Clinton will be speaking or perhaps Ted Kennedy.
Brought over from another thread because they are questions that need answering.
How’s this; Colombo–a few questions for Sen. Obama
Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean Senator Obama, sir. Um . . . know you are busy and important and stuff. I mean running for president is very important and . . . ah . . . I hate to bother you. I will only take a minute ok, sir?
See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know, no big deal, just some loose ends and things.
Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the time and says boy she wishes she had digs like this you know? Is that painting real? Really? Wow. I saw something like that in a museum once!
Oh, sorry sir. I didn’t mean to get off the track. So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way. I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or something. Ever been to Coney Island ? No, I didn’t think so. . .
Well, listen, anyways, I can’t seem to get some information I need to wrap this up. These things seem to either be locked up or not available. I’m sure it’s just some oversight or glitch or something, so if you could tell me where these things are . . . I . . . I . . . have them written down here somewhere . . . oh wait. Sorry about the smears. It was raining out. I will just read it to you.
Could you help me please find these things, sir?
• Your Occidental College records
• Your Columbia College records
• Your Columbia Thesis paper
• Your Harvard College records
• Your Selective Service Registration
• Your medical records
• Your Illinois State Senate records
• Your Illinois State Senate schedule
• Your Law practice client list
• A Certified Copy of your original Birth
certificate
• Your embossed, signed paper Certification of
Live Birth
• Your Harvard Law Review articles that were
published
• Your University of Chicago scholarly articles
• Your Record of baptism
I can’t seem to be able to locate any………..
Oh hey . . . listen! I know you are busy! Is this too much for you now? I mean tell you what. I will come back tomorrow. Give you some time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you are busy, so I will just let myself out. I will be back tomorrow. And the day after. . .
In Denver, Deep Doubts About Obama
Undecided swing-state voters have trouble supporting the Democratic nominee.
“…, because they have still not answered the threshold question about the Democratic nominee: Is he ready?”
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2U1OWQ4OWM1NTMyM2QzNTRmMDYxODNkZDA2NjE5YmY=
AIP Calls Obama Campaign Efforts to Prosecute Political Opponents “Bullying” and “Censorship”
August 26, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/
There will be “CHANGE” alright if he gets elected.
Senator Clinton has to make the speech of her life, maybe even the speech of the ages this evening.
She has to be convincing while her heart must be breaking. Next to what Al Gore had to endure in 2000, I don’t know of a politician ever being in such a tough spot.
She has to save Barack Obama and her own political future. She has to be convincing in something she very much does not want to do.
Throw in that it will likely be the most parsed and analyzed speech in history. And by coincidence the most heard and dissected speech by any female politician maybe even ANY politician in history.
Swing for the fences Hillary!
I got’a hand it to ya BlueJay….
You are one loyal Hillary supporter. I don’t know how much that helps her but you’ve shown more loyalty than I thought you had in ya.
Sorry for the back handed compliments, I’m just being honest as I think that’s the most honest way to be.
I do respect your loyalty, even though I don’t agree with you on thinking she could do the job.
I can tell you of a politician in a tougher spot — McCain! He not only will not win the presidency but will go back to the Senate marginalized.
Senator Clinton will be in a great position of power! She will use it to improve our lots, our country and when she is ready and the majorities are in place if she wants it she can be
Supreme Court Justice Hillary Rodham Clinton (FOR LIFE!)
Making history for a decade or two!
“I’m just being honest as I think that’s the most honest way to be.”
Should have read, ‘I’m just being honest as I think that’s the only way to give a complement.
What do you think, BlueJay?
Dark pantsuit to hide Hillary’s butt? How would you like to be her tailor? At least Michelle wears a dress. She flaunts it. Michelle is the whole package though. She has a big butt, however, she also has the height to carry it off.
I know linda.
I keep reminding myself that Hillary is not going away. I hope she reminds her supporters of that. They need to remember that. They need to hear her say it.
Part of me wants her to make a fight of it. She could take the nomination at this point. And it wouldn’t be stealing anything. She’d be taking something she CAN take within the rules.
I hope that gives her the small comfort it gives me as one of her supporters. Of course, then you have to ask yourself if the prize is worth having.
It really IS taking one for the party maybe against the party’s own best interests. I still worry Obama cannot win.
But.
BlueJay sings….
“Tonight’s the night we’ll make history…
“I can tell you of a politician in a tougher spot — McCain”
Well yeah he aint in the best place either.
Senator Clinton has the harder job by far.
But consider John McCain. He has to face a room full of people who want him to win the election…
…and then die.
Not exactly an audience I’D know what to say to!
Dammit. I turned away from the NPR convention coverage when it started (most of it’s been like watching paint dry). And I missed this:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/26/dnc.main/?iref=hpmostpop
Go Dennis!
More details at Yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rockymountainnews/20080826/pl_rockymountainnews/kucinichelectrifiesconventionarena_1224112320
If you will all prepare for Hillary’s speech as indicated at this link, I am sure she will come across much better. You certainly will have a clear understanding of Hillary if you do this, prior to watching the Convention:
http://presscue.com/node/36499
Anyone want to bet we see some of the fake tears?
“You know, I have so many opportunities from this country just don’t want to see us fall backwards.
(Eyes welling up a bit) You know, this is very personal for me. It’s not just political it’s not just public.” (Sniffle, sniffle)
• A Certified Copy of your original Birth
certificate
• Your embossed, signed paper Certification of
Live Birth
I have posted befre on that and even included reference to the birth announcement in the local paper ‘way back then’.
I know the rightie tin-foil society has been trotting out the lie that Obama was born i Kanya – but it is just that – a lie.
Ben,
They can’t look at proof. If they did, they’d be wrong. One refutation is more than enough. Every time they swing that hammer, it swings back on them. They’ll eventually pound themselves into the ground. Most thinking people have caught on to their b.s. by now. The rest aren’t bothering to think. Too easy to follow along and let someone else do the thinking for them.
Pitiful.
I am not surprised the Republicans on the board are so cynical. Look what they got for THEIR money 4 years ago…
Their own party leaders screwed them over.
They have lost all hope.
We have not.
Rage on… then vote for change in America.
Our gov just made a funny!
Kathleen just BURNED McSame!
Yep, to John McCain there’s no place like
a home
and a home
and a home
and a home
and a home…
I think you are wrong to sell Hillary short. She is not gone and out. She will be a contributing member of our congress – if not the executive branch for many years.
When Obama makes a mistake, when people realize that he cannot fulfill all the promises for change he has made, when Obama himself realizes we cannot afford all the programs, Hillary will be standing tall and ready to lead.
She may try to unite the party tonight. She may give a moving speech and pledge all of us to Obama. But there are a few of us who will still be behind Hillary, as she still is our best hope.
She has brought minorities and women further than any other leader – we cannot give up the movement now. It is just as important to continue to show our support for Hillary as it is to ensure we have a democrat in the white house.
Obama is a poor second choice to what could have been, and still can be – if we do not give up the fight.
I think you are wrong to sell Hillary short. She is not gone and out. She will be a contributing member of our congress – if not the executive branch for many years.
When Obama makes a mistake, when people realize that he cannot fulfill all the promises for change he has made, when Obama himself realizes we cannot afford all the programs, Hillary will be standing tall and ready to lead.
She may try to unite the party tonight. She may give a moving speech and pledge all of us to Obama. But there are a few of us who will still be behind Hillary, as she still is our best hope.
She has brought minorities and women further than any other leader – we cannot give up the movement now. It is just as important to continue to show our support for Hillary as it is to ensure we have a democrat in the white house.
Obama is a poor second choice to what could have been, and still can be – if we do not give up the fight.
Uhh, sorry. I don’t know how I did that. It was not intentionally posted two times.
Actually the Gov just made fun of Kansas and what most Americans KNOW about our state (which is nothing).
I’ve stated it before, if Republicans had anything positive to run on, why don’t they?
I’ve noticed the Republicans are trying to muddy the waters by all these stupid questions that they know have been answered but they insist on muddying the waters. Why? They have nothing positive to say about their own candidate or their own party.
Could it be because McCain has sold his soul to the devil to get the nomination this time? Even McCain has stated we are worse off than we were 4 years ago. He should know – he was there voting with Bush 95% of the time to bring the policies into place that have brought us to this time and place. If McCain thinks we are worse off than we were 4 years ago, he needs only to look into the mirror and place part of blame on himself.
Republicans only have themselves to blame for this. They had total control of the White House and Congress and they squandered it all, and for what? To make a few fat cats even richer? Hope they’re happy.
bth Posted August 26, 2008 at 7:49 pm
• A Certified Copy of your original Birth
certificate
• Your embossed, signed paper Certification of
Live Birth
I have posted befre[sic] on that and even included reference to the birth announcement in the local paper ‘way back then’.
I’m not claiming anything one way or the other but there are still a lot who are questioning the authenticity of what has been produced.
See reference:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
“But until the certified paper birth document is produced — either by media pressure or a legal challenge in any state — the fact remains that Obama has not proven that he is a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President according to the Constitution. “
I call total BS on the boxtop statement.
TOTAL BS little man!
As for Hillary Clinton, I think she will be much more powerful in the Senate than the White House. There were too many negatives for her going head to head with McCain. Just being Hillary Clinton had the taste of ‘love her or hate her’.
I find Linda’s idea of Hillary being a Supreme Court Justice intriguing. It would drive the Republicans absolutely crazy and that is exactly what they deserve. Karma has a way of sticking it to people.
I hope Senator Clinton is on top of her oratorical game tonight.
When she’s good, she’s warm and personable and incredibly effective.
When she goes higher in her vocal register and shouts at a microphone three inches a way, not so much.
She has the words and the smarts and the political savvy to know how important she can be in this election. She’s primed to be the Lioness of the Senate; the logical successor of Ted Kennedy’s Senate legacy.
Senator Clinton knows the words; sometimes she doesn’t get the music.
I betcha it’ll be good.
I betcha it’ll make Cindy McCain fart (albeit only dogs will be able to hear it).
;^)
It’s good to have you posting here dionysus. Welcome.
Well, it’s been a long fight. And I have to say, there are SOME Obama supporters who frequently made it hard to stay civil.
I wonder how things would be if the situation was reversed. Just curious.
Does Cindy’s face crack when she farts? Have you noticed she can’t smile, just smirk? And what’s with those eyes? Is it the eyebrows or …?
John McCain voted with bush over 90% of the time!
That’s not a maverick, that’s a sidekick!
giggle
Darn, I missed Sebelius, maybe catch some of it on the news.
“Israelinsider” is one of the leaders of the tin-foil hat society.
Check especially the last twosentences:
“We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.”"
“You can click on the links to get full-size versions, which haven’t been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.” The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
The document is a “certification of birth,” also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health’s birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department.
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
Obama’s birth announcement
The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama “likely” was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.”
http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599/page/3
I think someone botched a plastic surger job on cindy’s eyebrows, or pulled the skin up too tight. She does look like her features are glued in place.
“lindainks55″ asks the pertinent (for this year) question –
“Does Cindy’s face crack when she farts?”
Who knows?
How can you predict the facial expressions of a woman who probably purchases Botox by the tanker car?
If she has another face lift she’ll have a goatee.
Guv Sebelius continued her lament about divisive politics. And she has a point.
Nice lady, but boy, if you need a sleep aid, I suggest getting a tape of her speech.
Late word said Senator Clinton was meeting with Michelle Obama today and they got along well.
A second hand report from a good friend of Senator Clinton says she is conflicted.
She wants very much to do the best she can for Obama. But she doesn’t want to be seen as letting her supporters down.
Tough place for a fighter like her to be.
The part I really liked about that factcheck above is the birth announcement that was in the local paper when Obama was born. Being significantly older than him I have known people who have had trouble getting all their ‘pepers’ together – courthouses burned, records lost etc. BUT – if there was an announcement in the paper by the proud parents, church records, family Bibles etc they are also considered to be records.
So, it is obvious that the Kenyan government was involved right from the beginning. When Obama was born in Kenya they PLANTED a FALSE birth announcement! Man, they REALLY planned ahead!
Need more tinfoil … ;)
So true — this administration DID fail to believe in what WE can do when we pull together! bushco doesn’t and never has believed in Americans and McCain doesn’t either!
bth………this paranoia about Obama’s birth shows just how desperate the reichwingers are getting
To the tinfoil society I challenge – go to the authorities. Have Obama disqualified. Have him jailed.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
I’d never heard this Gov. Mark Warner. I would like to hear much more of him!
bth………this paranoia about Obama’s birth shows just how desperate the reichwingers are getting
No kidding. . .how weird.
It’s not like anyone questions whether McCain was born in the. . .oh, right: he wasn’t born in the U.S.!
Silly me.
I’d never heard this Gov. Mark Warner. I would like to hear much more of him!
You will. He’s running for Senate.
I dont think there is any way Hillary could let down her supporters. They know she has fought the good fight and is in a “damned if you do, damned if you dont” position.
She has more leadership ability in her little finger than obama will ever develop in his lifetime.
The democrats bought him. Now they have to live with him. If he loses, it will not be Hillary’s fault. No matter HOW hard the obama folks try to spin it. It’s his to lose.
And given the shit hole this country is in, HOW can mcsame be leading in polls and electoral college vote projections? WTF is WRONG with obama? Are Hillary and her supporters really that powerful? I thought he was MORE powerful because he defeated the “clinton machine”.
WTF? The mcsame machine is MORE powerful?
Yeah I know, the only poll that counts is in November. But unless obama gets a whopping and insurmountable bounce from this convention, it’s going to be close at best. For all of paulie’s lying and shilling, he is right about one thing. History has shown democrats need to be FAR ahead at this point if they want to avoid having the election stolen. Mcsame will get his own bounce next week, so any convention bounce for obama will be short lived. I hope it isnt a dead cat bounce.
He better be a better campainger than he has shown us so far. Otherwise?
Say hello to preznit mcsame.
What’s with all these personal attacks on the wife of a presidential candidate? Not even on the issues, but just to make fun?
Are these democrats posting this garbage?
We have plenty of power with the issues and the statements, history, and strength of our candidates and lack thereof on the republicans.
Do we really have to lower ourselves to making fun of women who are trying their best to support their husbands?
Are there not enough issues to discuss?
I’ll stand in the corner for 10 seconds if you think it will help. You wanna wash my mouth out with soap?
Do we really have to lower ourselves to making fun of women who are trying their best to support their husbands?
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Welcome to the libs of WEBlog, dionysus.
It’s kinda what they do….
Does that make YOU, Anti, and HLP our biggest and best libs?
No, BJ/Capn/C3PO/P.M./M.P./ & yourself fill that gap.
Do ya dig?
dionysus, you might check out the cons’ comments about Hillary on the last convention thread. They make the minor fun had with Cindy on this thread seem respectful!
But point taken, I guess. Baal said to have some more wine and chill out.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
I won’t repost my thoughts about Obama working the rope-a-dope strategy. You can look it up if you want.
Most people were watching the Olympics for the past two weeks, and the ads were overwhelming upbeat from Obama and attack ads from John S (for Senile) McCain the Third. And McC*nt’s positive numbers didn’t raise a bit; he simply nicked at Obama a bit.
I’m listening to Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. I suspect her stirring-the-pot to get the Dems to go after McCain might be a similar rope-a-dope tactic; and I suspect Hillary’s speech might be Ali starting to lay into George Foreman.
I dunno.
Hillary is setting up for Joe Biden. And I think Biden’s speech tomorrow night might even outshine Barack’s thing on Thursday.
We’ll see.
MonkeyC*nt, Biden was the last nail in Barry’s coffin.
I thought Mark Warner struck the perfect balance tonight in touting the Democratic Party and criticizing bushco / McCain.
ANTI is wearing a “generic” tinfoil hat, he’s too f***ing cheap to buy Reynolds!
Bush isn’t running linda/libs…..just so ya know.
Gov. Patick is an excellent speaker.
……dropped an “r”…….Patrick
You libs complain to much, that is why you will lose. People get tired of complainers. It works every time it is tried…Too bad you all can’t figure it out.
I couldn’t take anymore of it….the
Dems convention is simply the most boring, painful thing thing I could possibly make myself suffer through. There wasn’t anything on all those satellite channels that could put a person to sleep faster. I had to get up.
I hope Hillary gets on soon or I give up.
Apophis, there’s no paranoia on this end….from your post it seems it’s all on your end.
A little insecure there faux teacher in your candidates? You should be. They are staring to lose in the polls and from the excitement this convention is generating many will forget them.
Governor Brian Schweitzer just burned McSame BIG TIME!
I read your rope a dope comments. And with all due respect, they sounded like whistling past the graveyard. Monkey, if obama shit in the punchbowl you’d LOVE the new flavor. Given that blind devotion to him, I hardly think you are any judge of how obama is doing with the MAJORITY. Look at the polls. Mcsame is leading in enough states to give him a ten point lead if the election were held today.
WTF benefit is there to a rope a dope strategy? It’s an excuse, pure and simple. Obama’s going to back up so grandpa can get a running start and then he’s gonna show off for the crowd and blow grandpa’s doors off?
heheheheh. Uh huh.
The stakes are pretty high in this election. You seem to think the majority of voters think like you. With all due respect, WHEN TF has that been true? I hold no illusions that the majority of voters think like I do. I think the candidate should fight to win. Obama hasnt shown us that yet. And the clock is ticking.
We’ll see. Indeed.
Drill in all of John McCain’s back yards, even the ones he doesn’t know he has. This guy is fun!
boxtop…..the only “poll” that counts is on NOV.4th.
Get used to saying “President Obama”.
Bush isn’t running linda/libs…..just so ya know.
No. . .just the same expen$ive warmongering policies, just same the expen$ive, failed economic policies, just the same kowtowing to the temporary interests of multinational corporations at the expen$se of American business, manufacturing, workers and working conditions, and of course jobs, just the same ideologue judges willing to rubber-stamp government power and the general interests of the powerful, the complete indifference to the collapse of American education and American health care, the shameless determination to return to back-alley abortions, and the promotion of lobbyists into important positions (probably regulating the very industries from which they came).
Other that that, he’s completely different.
Bill Clinton will not attend Obama’s Invesco speech
DENVER (CNN) – Hillary Clinton will be on hand for Barack Obama’s acceptance speech, but according to a source close to former President Bill Clinton, he will not: the source tells CNN that Clinton will not join his wife at Invesco Field Thursday night.
Ha Ha, too funny!
KFG is right
No, her supporters expect her to do the “good soldier’ to the best of her ability. And Bill too.
KFG- I *SO* am glad to be on your side.
Gallup Daily: No Bounce for Obama in Post-Biden Tracking
McCain creeps ahead, 46% to 44%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx
Ah-oh, what’s going on….think folks see through the “CHANGE”?
Starting to feel a little paranoid there Oedipus?
You should.
Well Rage, keep telling yourself that. I agree, McCain is a douche, but he will whip your boy. And that is all on you Libs.
The Governor of Montana was GREAT!
I’m ready for Hillary! And so are the delegates in Denver.
Is it too girly of me to cry right now?
Nope! Would seem more honest than “girly” to me. Besides, what’s wrong with being a girl?
“ksfarmgrrl” –
Fair enough critique of me. Except for the punchbowl thingy. I mean….eeewwwwww!
What got me on the rope-a-dope metaphor is how desperate the McCainiacs seemed to be, shooting their wad so early in the campaign.
I mean, how many times can McBush play the POW card?
What else has he got that comes close to an edge?
“Experience?”
Experience being wrong.
Experience with cancer.
Experience flip-flopping on the issues to the point the “maverick” of 2000 would never vote for this year’s version.
Hillary’s started to speak.
Later…
“It’s not like anyone questions whether McCain was born in the. . .oh, right: he wasn’t born in the U.S.!”
hmmm …
Has the McCain camp released DNA testing to prove that McCain REALLY IS MCCAIN? How do we know the Russians didn’t substitute a double for him?
Boxlock: ““But until the certified DNA testing document is produced — either by media pressure or a legal challenge in any state — the fact remains that McCain has not proven that he is a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President according to the Constitution. “”
NO WAY. NO HOW. NO MCCAIN!
heh heh heh
Hillary sucks…just not as much as Bill would have liked……
Nothing wrong with being a girl- or a woman. And there is nothing wrong with crying either.
I so love that woman.
Hillary is giving one Hell of a speech!
Her question to BlueJay and others: Were you in this campaign just for her or were you in it for the good of America? If the latter then that is the reason she is supporting Barack Obama.
I so love that woman.
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Gaaaawd! Is this Jr. High??
why does Michelle sit there like that? Why?
Yep….I know it is now….thanks P.M.
It’s a good speech.
I wish she were a better speaker.
She walked on a sensational opportunity to connect with the “Were you in it for that Marine?” “…that cancer lady?”
Any time you’ve got an arena full of people wanting to shout “YES!” don’t get in their way.
She’s ending the speech really good.
Still, she tends to give a speech rather than speak.
Pity.
Oh shut up Monkey.
P_mama, what would you like Michelle Obama to do? Jump up and down? Admit it. She can do nothing to please you. Obama can do nothing to please you. And you disrepect the woman you say you love and admire by being that way.
For everyone who thinks Obama needs to be more concise and use more soundbites, Hillary provided several tonight!
We are on the same team and none of us can afford to sit on the sidelines.
No way, no how, NO MCCAIN!
(after a loooong list of our challenges) This will not be easy, progress never is. But it will be IMPOSSIBLE if we don’t do everything necessary to put Barack Obama in the White House.
Government must be about WE THE PEOPLE, not we the favored few. We did it before with President Clinton and the Democrats and if we do our part we’ll do it again with President Obama and the Democrats!
We don’t need four more years of the last eight years!
It makes perfect sense that John McCain and George Bush will be together next week in the TWIN cities because it’s awfully hard to tell them apart!
Before we can keep going we’ve got to get going by electing Barack Obama the next president of the United States.
MH, you have to admit she DOES give a good speech. :) I never doubt it or her.
Maybe the Gov. of Montana needs to give her some tips on how to get crowd participation? LOL
“why does Michelle sit there like that? Why?”
Because she hates Hillary, simply hates her.
Her face was filled with contempt even while Hillary was promoting her husband beyond what he deserves.
The Dems really screwed up with him as their choice.
Michelle Obama would make a crappy first lady….fortunately that likely won’t happen, we can only hope.
Dang, Linda, your shorthand must be excellent!
WOW
Just wow.
She has done her best. She was remarkable.
And of course FAUX news is selling it short.
I think I’ll try a more objective channel.
oh, bullshit, Boxlock.
Too bad Hill-a-beast isn’t a better speaker. That monotone just grates away…
And her timing…horrific.
I’m sorry you’re hurting PMom. Disappointment this big doesn’t just go away. I wish I could give you a hug. I hope it gets easier each day. It will, I think, if you let it. I promise Senator Clinton will go on to great glory, service and power! Even more if Obama is elected than if she serves under another Republican.
Hell, Bill Clinton would make a better first lady than Michelle.
“And given the shit hole this country is in, HOW can mcsame be leading in polls and electoral college vote projections? WTF is WRONG with obama?”
1. McCain is not ahead of Obama. At worst, they are tied statistically at this point.
2. David Axelrod pointed out that polls are based on past voting patterns. You think Obama isn’t going to bring out new voters? This guy’s biggest cohort is new voters, and they’re flying under the radar with cell phones which don’t get surveyed.
Now?
It is on Barack Obama and his supporters.
Be worthy of what we have given you. Please.
In my heyday I could take at 160 words a minute! Practiced on the evening news. ;-) Not so good today. Are you old enough Pre to remember when every “girl” knew how to type, file, take shorthand… out of high school?
Dittos, Linda.
I was let down when Kerry bought his way back into the race in Iowa.
I didn’t think he had the guts to take on Worst. President. Ever. Unfortunately, I was right.
But Obama is no Kerry. He’s more like a JFK or an FDR.
It’s people like Hillary Clinton who have improved our lot — A LOT! And, of course, there is still room for improvement.
There are 18 million of us who want to fight.
Roll up your damned sleeves Barack and throw a damned punch for us.
Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama’s Relationship With Ayers
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/newly-released-documents-highlight-obamas-relationship-with-ayers
Ayers Unrepentant for Radical Group’s Violence in 1960s, 1970s
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/obama-associate-bill-ayers-unrepentant-for-acts-of-terror/
Yes, Linda, although I didn’t take shorthand. I have a cousin who broke all shorthand records and ended up working for an oil company as an executive secretary.
My typing wasn’t bad. I learned to type in 4th grade on a typewriter with blank keys. I think I could type in a coma, if I had to. LOL
But Obama is no Kerry. He’s more like a JFK or an FDR.
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Except he is a puppet with a fist up his arse.
I’m not the only one commenting on how Michelle seemed to glare at HIllary. I thought maybe it was just my own feelings- but no its not. She was trying not to seethe. And that’s just crap.
You libs have to be the dumbest creatures to walk the earth to believe in Obama…..jeez he has done nothing but read speeches prepared by others.
Hillary at least had some political gumption to back up herself!
If Obama loses now, he will do so himself.
Senator Clinton COULD have made a fight of it. She could have TAKEN the nomination…
and lost the election because of disaffected Obama supporters.
Well? She took one for the team and so did 18 million supporters.
It is on Obama now.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
The right-wing “real clear politics” has Obama up 1.7 in their “poll of polls” average.
Not only that, the poll doesn’t include the Repuke spoiler, Bob Barr.
I hate, hate, the Clintons, but damn Hillary at least had the political gumption to back up herself! Obama, not so much.
She was trying not to seethe.
Or listening intently to what was being said…
I respect someone who can at least come to a fight with some tools, like Hillary…..I may hate her, but she can bring it to a fight….Barry comes with nice lofty words….I don’t respect a P*ssy!
B.J. beat me to it.
Wow! She was great. If she’d campaigned like that Barrack would’ve been giving the speech tonight.
Like she said, the issues and the future are what’s important.
Not as much as who accomplishes them, but that the get done, at least started heading in the right direction. We’ve turned too many corners in the last 8 yrs., we need to get back on track!
Kerry was 14 points ahead of Bush in February and slowly squandered it until he fell behind right before the election.
If you go to any of the many “electoral” maps available, Obama is ahead in electoral college votes too.
Capn, the pollsters have said they’ve done some kind of adjustment for cell phone users but I still am convinced the “adjustment” isn’t enough. And I’m not just talking about the youth who some say are unreliable. I know people who no longer have a landline, only a cell phone.
But it isn’t long till we’ll know! 30 day has September, 31 in October, 4 in November — 65 days! Time flies when you’re having fun and I AM HAVING FUN!
Oooops, I left out the few days left in August. Seventy days to Nov. 4th.
Mccain supporters, after tonight, be afraid, be very afraid!
I respect someone who can at least come to a fight with some tools, like Hillary…..I may hate her, but she can bring it to a fight….Barry comes with nice lofty words….I don’t respect a P*ssy!
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Anti, you’ll never believe this! Hank said those same words just last week!
Political mama
For what it is worth, I heard earlier today that Hillary and Michelle met and got along well.
Personally?
A good speech but not enough for me.
Not offering her the VP was a BAD mistake that she did not bring up.
Perhaps Obama can explain in his speech?
YES she would be wasted on the VP job.
But she should have been asked. “Change” all you like you do not disrespect a candidate and her supporters who came so close.
I thought it was a great speech. She had the whole room with her.
But a gentle reminder: it’s up to us to create real change. Sitting back and watching the show won’t be enough.
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Phantom
Posted August 26, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink
Mccain supporters, after tonight, be afraid, be very afraid!
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Not so much.
Hillary threw down the gauntlet, I think the tone will definitely change in Obama’s acceptance speech.
Anti, you’ll never believe this! Hank said those same words just last week!
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Great minds think alike.
Ok libs, roll in Obama…I am going to sleep…well!!!
The pundits and critics are pointing out that she didn’t retract her statements during the lead up to the primaries. The he’s not ready and such. BUT SHE DID! Not tonight, but in the speech she gave yesterday morning to her New York delegation! They showed it yesterday and she absolutely did! So don’t let the critics pull that one!
Remember when she was talking about McCain using her words in his commercials and she said, “I’m Hillary Clinton and I don’t approve of this ad!”
Good night Hank!
I am a happy camper! I thought many of tonight’s speeches were excellent!
Linda, you are a mindless tool….sorry to break it to ya… :(
It’s OK! Your opinions don’t carry much weight. It’s just your butt that’s big!
Well, and your … low chest.
ANTI is ANTI, not Regular, not Hank, not (BJ help me out here) fill in the blank….Ah, mindless libs..
It’s OK! Your opinions don’t carry much weight. It’s just your butt that’s big!
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It is actually small and open to a grab…only by you Linda ;)
The VP slot is important. Because I fear it will lead to the presidency this time.
One thing I’m sure of, the RNC will be anti-climatic.
In other words, a total boor.
Sleep well, I am out…Ladies…
Signing off for the night. Pleasant dreams.
Because I fear it will lead to the presidency this time.
That’s always a disturbing possibility, but it shouldn’t be a basis for making political decisions–particularly when it’s your own cerebellum on the line.
If the position isn’t important then why even bother to have it for the #2 slot. Get real.
It is also the last vote in the senate.
The Hill hit a grand slam. No doubt about it. She gave the Obama camp the bumper sticker they were looking for:
No Way!
No How!
No McCain!
Night all,
you know who you are…
I can fight McCain.
I cannot yet support Obama.
Obama needs to start swinging and enough with the cons are the party of ideas crap.
Lidainks55
Posted August 26, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink
I respect someone who can at least come to a fight with some tools, like Hillary…..I may hate her, but she can bring it to a fight….Barry comes with nice lofty words….I don’t respect a P*ssy!
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Anti, you’ll never believe this! Hank said those same words just last week!
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Could it be the same cowardly person? I think it is possible…
StevenEDavis
Posted August 26, 2008 at 11:03 pm | Permalink
The Hill hit a grand slam. No doubt about it. She gave the Obama camp the bumper sticker they were looking for:
No Way!
No How!
No McCain!
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Home Run!
The essence of her speech was so clear!
She said jackshit so many times and everyone cheered HOORAY ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Captain, with all due respect, I read it on… wait for it… DU yesterday, about mcsame leading in the electoral vote counts. Yeah, I know they are just polls. But it wasnt posted on DU by a concern troll. It was the same guy who always posts the electoral vote map. And you know what I mean. It’s off the greatest page now, and I guess I am not adept enough at DU to search and find it again. But I know I read it, because I had to do a double take and read it again. Mr. C said the same at coffee the other night.
And I’m tellin’ ya, I know your personal stories about your own kids, and I dont doubt it a bit, I mean, hell, they’ve been raised by you all so I would expect nothing less than for them to get to the polls come hell or high water.
But.. all kids are not like yours. And NO candidate for president has EVER had the youth vote actually come through for them on election day. Had they come through for Al Gore, we would have been spared these nightmarish eight years.
But they didnt.
I hope I am wrong. I hope the youth turn out in droves, that this is a turning point in American politics, and that our election system has integrity and cant be rat phucked. I hope that obama is slyly slacking so he can push with a good kick, like a runner at the finish line. I hope your words go from your fingertips to god’s ears. I hope obama can unify the base he deliberately splintered to win the nomination. I hope mcsame makes some unforgivable gaff and the election isnt close enough to steal.
But… my gut and my thirty plus years of experience and political instincts tell me different. Not because it’s what I want. But because of what I know. If obama wins, you all can rub it in to me for weeks and I’ll try to take it with a smile.
For the sake of this country, I hope I’m wrong. My people, women and gays and rural alike have been thrown under the bus by democrats. Again. I hope it works out for obama. I hope his divisive strategy pays off. I hope he has enough charisma to overcome the lack of substance and the MSM noise from it’s wurlitzer, the republican slime machine and the utter, UTTER stupidity of the American voter.
But what if it doesnt? All the kings horses and all the kings men, wont be able to put America together again.
Like a poker game, the democrats are going all in betting every last chip on obama.
Do you feel lucky?
Like mindless publik educashion dumbed down robots they cheered:
HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like mindless publik educashion dumbed down robots they cheered:
HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the position isn’t important then why even bother to have it for the #2 slot. Get real.
It is also the last vote in the senate.
Merely pointing out that most people would not pick their vice president with the expectation of getting murdered (with the possible exception of George HW Bush).
It’s assumed that the person chosen for the VP slot should be ready and qualified to be president (duh). I don’t doubt that Biden can handle the job, even though I have my own issues with the man.
Perhaps what you are really saying is that the 2nd choice–particularly from a primary this close–should automatically get the slot.
A defensible idea, I suppose, when they’re in the same party. At the beginning of the republic, the second place winner in the general election became VP. That didn’t work out so good.
Could it be the same cowardly person? I think it is possible…
Oh, c’mon, Steven, don’t you, of all people, start with that stuff.
It’s like a disease.
Ok
Can anyone argue that Senator Clinton did not do her very best?
And still.
Her supporters here. KFG, political mama and myself CAN fight McCain.
We could ALWAYS fight McCain.
We still need to be made to believe in Obama.
That is on him and on his supporters.
I had a big conversation about this today at the drug store soda fountain in town that is known as politics central :) The fountain, no pun intended, from which much political wisdom flows. The place where I cut my political teeth and learned what REAL democrats believed.
The guy who owns it, my political mentor since I was a little kid, has been an obama supporter, and an avid one, since early in the primary. He asked me what I thought would happen tonight.
I told him I thought Hillary would put all of her soul in convincing her supporters to go to obama’s aid.
And I said with her words, her demeanor, her very BEING, she would make the entire party regret that they had not made her the nominee.
I think I was right on both counts.
Oh yeah, Mr. Hope and Change will give a good’un on Thursday. But tonight? We got a chance to see what presidential looks like. First Teddy and now Hillary have shown the benefits of experience and hard earned wisdom and long term committment to the causes of liberty and justice.
I think barack has his work cut out for him.
PS–Does anyone remember ANYTHING about what was supposedly his greatest speech of his career? The one about race? Yeah. Me neither. I remember he gave one, but I dont remember a damn thing about it.
I hope Thursday night he at least gives a speech that will be remembered for sixty days or so.
At least.
Heheheheh. And have I mentioned the sign in my office that says “age and treachery will overcome youth and vigor any day”?
Let’s hope that is not true in this election.
Hillary did what she had to do.
It was a trap. Things were set up that if Obama loses, why it was Hillary’s fault!
Well that excuse is gone now.
The fall back excuse that he loses because he is black is still, sadly credible.
I will fight McCain. But I will wait to see what political mama and KFG do. Because I will not leave behind friends to reach out to enemies.
It is game face time Obama. No more pandering. The right has wrecked this country for 20 some years.
18 million of us are ready to fight and hard.
If only you will.
Junior,
You have but one value here: pure, unadulterated entertainment.
JR, you should do and support whomever you chose, regardless of Pmom and I. Thanks for the loyalty, god knows how rare that kind of “no friend left behind” loyalty is.
But nothing is going to change for women or gay folks in this election. It’s clear, and it’s too late for us. I think Pmom and I know that. So… do what you will. Your friendship with us is not in question.
Having said that, I have to agree. I’ll fight mcsame, but I cant give obama any more than lukewarm support. It isnt just his treatment of Hillary, his bigoted positions on gay marriage, his pandering to the fundies with mcclurkin, his flip flops on fisa, off shore drilling, and ending the war immediately. No, it isnt any one thing. It is all of the above.
It makes me uneasy that he can divide and conquer with such ease, all the while saying and doing something completely different than what he promised. I dont trust him. But now that the democratic party has made it official, going all in with every chip on obama, I hope they are lucky. I hope he wins.
Because I dont think the US Constitution, or SCOTUS, or any governmental institution can survive four more years of The Wrecking Crew. If we have four more years of bushco, and not four more months as chanted tonight…
Democracy may as well, in concept and practice, take John Prine’s advise to “send my mouth way down south and kiss my ass goodbye”.
Wouldnt it be awful to realize someday that THESE days really were the good ol’ days? ‘Cause that’s what we’re gonna be thinkin’ if grandpa mcsame presides over the final scene, Act Four, of the great freedom experiment.
“You have but one value here: pure, unadulterated entertainment.”
Which is more than we can say for you, nut boy. You bring NO redeming value. Not even entertainment.
Unless you LIKE fingernails screeching on the blackboard while writing “I am a dumbass” one thousand times…
Oh and nutboy, sorry you wont get your boat for twenty cents on the dollar. Maybe you can find some widow who cant live on a single social security income and whose husband had a cherished boat you can buy at bargain basement prices since the good widow had to liquidate the nonessentials.
That ought to warm your pocketbook and your chrome plated heart as well as stealing some union guy’s boat, no?
Note to union members and strikers alike. Dont sell ANYTHING to ANYONE named Dave. ‘Kay? Dont give him the satisfaction.
Oy, make him pay retail…The ultimate humiliation for a mud sucking bottom feeder.
Farmgrrl
In Kansas, I have the curse, and luxury, that my vote does not count anyway.
Senator Clinton has done what she HAD to do for all of us, the party, her future and our future.
I don’t bail on my friends when I do not have to. I don’t bail on my friends even when it seems I have to.
I don’t have to vote for anyone. Hillary Clinton has asked me to vote for Barack Obama.
The rest is up to him.
FarmNag,
I wouldn’t buy a boat from those whiners. Besides, I already have a Cobalt.
Can you not recognize sarcasm? Also, there have been about 10 boats a day for sale on Craigslist since the strike began.
Bahahaha!
Junior,
Curiously, do you have the autism?
Must vote for Hillary.
Must vote for Hillary.
Must vote for Hillary.
Must vote for Hillary.
And do you know if those boats belong to strikers? Or do people just start selling their boats at the end of the season?
Back pedal poodle. Back pedal. You would buy a boat if you could get it for twenty cents on the dollar.
Did you get custody of the boat in your divorce? Or did you just buy it afterward?
The Hillary/Obama primary put the Democrats in a difficult position. But can’t you see that if the super-delegates had selected Hillary, the party would crash and burn for all time? Obama won the primaries, and now the Democrats have solidified support among black people for a generation, no matter what happens. Are women really going to vote for a man who opposes birth control? If you do, you deserve exactly what you get.
Was Flaubert right?
“PS–Does anyone remember ANYTHING about what was supposedly his greatest speech of his career? The one about race? Yeah. Me neither. I remember he gave one, but I dont remember a damn thing about it.”
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.
Re: KSGolfnut
DNFTT
One insightful response after watching the Democrats Convention last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdDjOHYyCSg