So it’s Obama-Biden ’08. With the choice, Barack Obama can be seen as going for experience, especially on foreign policy, and calculating that having a 35-year Senate veteran on the ticket won’t cancel out his “change” message. The highly respected Biden will be a formidable campaigner and debater for the fall and, if the Democrats win, a seasoned, pragmatic presence in the administration. He’s also one of the few members of Congress who is interesting and frank in interviews. Of course, Biden is prone to foot-in-mouth disease, such as that comment in 2006 about Obama being “clean,” and expect to hear more about that plagiarism incident two decades ago. Kansans feeling let down because Gov. Kathleen Sebelius didn’t get the nod can expect her to be high on the list of possible Cabinet members in an Obama White House. In any case, it’s nice to have this bracket of the veepstakes decided at last.
Registered?
Commenting on WE Blog now requires you to be a Kansas.com member. Use the links above to register, if you haven't already, or to log in.Contact us
Follow us
Daily Archives
-
Recent Comments
- Raptor on Open thread 11/21
- janeeyre on Open thread 11/21
- Regular on Open thread 11/21
- XXX on Open thread 11/21
- Daniel on ACORN stole election?
- Daniel on Open thread 11/21
- satatom on Open thread 11/21
- satatom on ACORN stole election?
- Wahine_Tara on Open thread 11/21
- Wahine_Tara on Open thread 11/21
141 Comments
For what it’s worth, CF2K can live with Biden. He has the foreign policy cred and is not out of tune with working folks.
He is also going to chew up McCain and spit him out.
Yes, it can. Biden is an insider; however he will be #2. So, we have an agent of change in #1 and someone who has the tools to enact change at #2. In some ways this has similarities to another ticket that coupled a young Senator with an experienced politician – Kennedy-Johnson.
Here’s a nice take on the Biden visuals from Bagnewsnotes, who I think do the best visual media analysis of what pictures mean.
http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/
Yeah, I hear now and then that some folks think governor “leadership” might make a good Secretary of Agriculture.
WTF?
If by “agriculture” you mean water sucking ethanol plants, King Corn, and the total use of water as political capital, then yeah. Maybe.
But what she knows about REAL agriculture would fit in a thimble.
bth,
Hadn’t thought about the Kennedy/Johnson Senatorial precedent. I think the Obama folks are playing this real smart. One difference, though, is that with Johnson, Kennedy had the challenge of managing a rival and sometime adversary, where I don’t see Biden as enough of a power base to challenge Obama.
I think it was a smart pick. As for the Repuke response, who cares? Didn’t THEIR guy want to be a Democrat back in the early 2000’s?
Watch out for Adrian Polansky in an obama administration. He was a big wig in Ag in the Clinton administration, and he’s tim peterson’s brother in law. He and governor leadership would be a one-two sucker punch.
ksfarmgrrl,
OUCH. But you are correct; the Governor’s AG bona fides are more a matter of association and optics than substance. She has yet to show much leadership on the biggest strategic question of the 21st century: namely, water.
ksfg – off topic, a somewhat technical question. There is a lot of discussion about grass-fed vs corn-fed beef. Corn-fed, of course, is done typically in confined feedlots. I have read that the E. coli level in corn-fed is MUCH higher due to lower pH in the gut. That becomes part of the reason for such heavy anti-biotic use. Grass-fed also has more unsaturated and omega fats.
On the other hand, people like the juicier more-tender beef we get (and I LOVE a good steak!)
So, my question: Can a pasture be ‘mix-planted’ with grasses AND grains? Don’t harvest the field; graze it. Might that give us the best of both worlds with our beef?
Sigh. From my perspective, CF, she showed PLENTY of leadership on the water issue out here. Just the wrong kind. It was POLITICAL leadership by pandering to Hays without regard to the oh so real issue of how to deal with twenty years of overappropriated water rights. First in time, first in right will not work in the end game. It will be all about “beneficial use”, and that is a Gordian Knot for politicians.
David Pope over appropriated the water rights in the Smoky watershed for twenty years. And YET not one swinging person has stepped up to the plate to plan for the day when the water runs out and the remaining drops have to be apportioned out.
It aint gonna be pretty, which of course, is why it has already become the third rail of kansas politics. My guess is sebelius plans to be long gone before the piper must be paid for the dance she did with joe harkins.
My roomie and I talked about that almost all the way home. She knows how sad it makes me….
“Didn’t THEIR guy want to be a Democrat back in the early 2000’s?”
Good point – it wasn’t their ‘other guy’ a Democrat on 2000?
ksfarmgrrl,
My bad: I used the word “leadership” when I should have used the construction “wanting the right sort of things” or “having vision.” Sibelius’ political judgment excels at splitting the moderates and the Wingnuts (see Holcomb); what she doesn’t have, though, is the kind of vision to see how the decision to cater to Hays and dump the rest of western Kansas represents a tremendous missed opportunity.
But you’re right: she’ll be out of office and it won’t be her job. Which is even sadder, because she is in a golden position to establish a workable precedent for dealing with water scarcity. That would be one hell of a greater legacy than she can currently anticipate.
Ben, good thoughts and points. The problem with the mixed planting of grains and grass in pastures is that cattle love nothing better than BABY grain plants! Heh. So they will never mature. But.. most of the guys out here turn their cattle out on the harvested milo and corn fields to chomp the stalks and glean the grain left behind.
You are correct on the e coli issue. Additionally, it is exacerbated by the fact that grain feeding tends to be done in highly “confined animal” operations. The low ph in the gut is part of the problem, but too many animals in a pen makes it worse. And it’s hard to keep them dry and out of the mud when they are crowded together.
That confinement, and the unsanitary conditions, make it difficult to keep the feces out of the end butchering process. I’m a big fan of local processing plants, but being small doesnt mean they are necessarily cleaner. Know your farmer, and know your processor. Eat local!
Grass fed, with less confined grain finishing, is the way to go. The grass gives it more flavor, and the fat from the grain finish distributes the flavor makes it tender and juicy.
Dammit! Now I’m hungry…
” what she doesn’t have, though, is the kind of vision to see how the decision to cater to Hays and dump the rest of western Kansas represents a tremendous missed opportunity.”
Very astute CF. We, meaning Trego county, WANTED to work with her. Sixty three percent of the vote in red Trego county went to Kathleen in 2002. And we are registered repuke 3:1. We had such high hopes for her.
It’s also one of the reasons we are so damn bitter. Unmet expectations and all. We, and Gove, Rush, Ness, Graham and Rooks couties wanted to work with Hays, and offered to do so if they would stay out of Cedar Bluff. We offered to throw our resources and political capital toward finding a real and permanent solution for the long term water problems facing Hays and Russell.
Instead? We got a body slam and phucked without lube. RAW politics. The ink wasnt even dry on the ballots when we realized John Bird, Ed Hammond, and Glenn Staab had the fix in. But.. hehehe… we put up such a good, and sensible fight, they had to have Clark Duffy FIRED as the head of the KWO, and have him replaced with political hack joe harkins to seal the deal.
“But you’re right: she’ll be out of office and it won’t be her job. Which is even sadder, because she is in a golden position to establish a workable precedent for dealing with water scarcity. That would be one hell of a greater legacy than she can currently anticipate.”
Yeah. And that is part of what makes me really, really sad. Even more sad than angry if you can imagine that :) It was the last opportunity to be proactive in dealing with the future of water out here. From here on out, it’s gonna be blood and guts.
And the irony? Her father in law, KEITH Sebelius tried to tell Hays, almost forty years ago, that they had to work WITH the region, not be the 800lb raping gorilla.
You see how well that worked out…
OH NOOOOOOOO!
McCain just lost the State of Delaware!
LOL
The case against Joe Biden:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/the_case_against_joe_biden.html
Oh yeah, and I posted a link last week to an article about how Hays is going to use emminent domain to take land for their new and expanded well field. The one they needed to pump all the water they got from Cedar Bluff. It’s how low they will stoop to water their golf course with treated water.
And it is an ominous portend of the water end game out here. T Boone Pickens will find the fight too rough to stomach!
Biden was against Obama, before he was for Obama.
Biden was for McCain, before he was against McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&e
Thanks ksfg – now another twist: instead of grain-finishing in a CAFO how about doing it ‘at home’ in the field? Also keeps them walking around which, IMO, likely leads to a better steak.
Here’s the linky. And these are their OWN people in Ellis county they are phucking.
http://www.hdnews.net/Story/city082208
Sorry to derail the thread on the water issue.
“Biden was for McCain, before he was against McCain.”
And McCain was a maverick, before he became a partisan.
ksfargrrl,
Yeah; this Prairie “border war” is going to put the last one to shame.
Franklin,
Blah blah blah blah. Sounds like the Biden pick took the fight right out of you.
Still, we appreciate your willingness to stand up and be counted; the rest of your Wingnut brethren seem conspicuous by their absence. Probably checking “Captains Quarters” Michelle Malkin to tell them what to think.
Tied up with the cattle and confined animal thingy, one more OT post…
Watch for this in the next legislative session. Hays and the Kansas Livestock Association pushed last session, and will be pushing again this year, to make the IGUCA’s toothless. That stands for Intensive Groundwater Use Control Areas. Self explanatory. Essentially, if you pump a river so low it doesnt flow anymore, the state can step in, declare that portion of the river an IGUCA, and reduce the over appropriated water rights.
It’s why Hays has to expand their wellfield. They pump the Smoky dry from Shoenchen to Pfiefer, where Russell picks up the water for their ethanol plant. So.. they are going to spread their wells out to get more water from the river. But the damn IGUCA wont let them pump the river dry, so… they are trying to get IGUCAs to be illegal. NO kidding.
And they just went a long way to accomplishing that by defeating Virginia Beamer and replacing her with Don Hineman. Who just happens to be a big KLA guy.
The handwriting is on the wall. I just wonder if anyone cares enough to read it. And as Rex Buchannan of the Ks Geological Survey said, “what happens in Trego County affects the water in the rest of the state”.
Drink up while you can.
Still another reason why, as the Rude One says, Michelle Malkin needs to be caged like a rabid Shi Tzu…
KFG,
Just some of that loving tolerance your party stands for huh?
Except for anyone that disagrees….
“instead of grain-finishing in a CAFO how about doing it ‘at home’ in the field? Also keeps them walking around which, IMO, likely leads to a better steak.”
Yep. It’s what my Dad and all the old timers used to do. Grain ‘em and cube ‘em in the field.
The land can also absorb the animal waste without letting it wash into the water supply in large amounts.
It’s not just a quantity issue, it’s a quality issue too!
bth,
Disagree: McCain was never a “maverick”; that entails having principles. He’s never been for anything but John McCain. If he needed to look into joining the Democratic Party earlier this decade, he was willing to do that.
John McCain’s entire political career has been a sequence of expedient decisions taken to advance his own interests and no one else’s. That makes him, frankly, a whore–and a kept man-whore at that.
I can’t WAIT to see him pick Mitt Romney. Or Joe Lieberman. The Repuke base hates Mormons for being unChristian almost as much as it despises Jews for stubbornly insisting on remaining Jews.
Obama’s VP pick actually buys him some good things. By contrast, none of McCain’s options for VP does anything but blow up in his face. Romney? Lieberman? Jindal? Pawlenty? Two apostates, a Fundo nutcase, and a cipher. Good luck with that, Senator Free Ride.
I’m ok with Biden. Obama could have done much worse. Hillary was never gonna be vp.
Two good speeches. I think they BOTH slapped the Bush/McCain administration.
Look everybody, it’s Nathan, the whipped puppy!
When you’re done sulking and playing the victim, Nathan, you can come join the adults’ table.
Biden instilled a spirit of service in his children; his son is eploying to Iraq. Are the Bush kids going to Iraq? McCain’s?
Nice try Nathan, but, as I’ve said about a million times here, I’m not a democrat. Not since the water wars began and more republicans than democrats voted to keep the hate amendment off the ballot.
bth,
One suspects that Rush Limbaugh soon will announce that Capt. Beau Biden isn’t one of the “real soldiers.”
You mean ol’ ‘Zit-on-the-butt’?
I predict that McCain will counter with Romney, thinking he’s going to shore up his lack of knowledge on the economy.
Problem is he’ll be open to what happened to the companies Romney acquired, then leveraged to the hilt, then dumped.
Not to mention how Romney pined to sell out to China.
It’ll be a big mistake, but I think that’s the way it’ll go. About all the rw will have to attack with is some lines plagerized along time ago.
Heh CF, regarding LIEberman. We noted at the post game coffee gathering that if mcsame wanted a jewish person for veep, we wish he’d pick Lewis Black.
Just imagine it…. heheheheheheheh!
Hell, I’d vote for Lewis Black for ANYTHING!
Phantom,
I’d love that, frankly, because Romeny is a borderline ridiculous figure even without the sectarian wedge that his Mormonism drives into the Right Wing. Given that McCain continues to keep Phil “American workers are whiners” Gramm on the payroll, one could contruct quite an economic attack narrative by adding Outsourcin’ Mitt to the ticket.
I think the true Fundos are as willing to vote for a Mormon like Romney as they are to let Barack Obama take their sisters and daughters on a date. It will be interesting to see how a loss in November will re-align the constituencies of the Repubican Party.
Ksfarmgrrl,
Indeed: one wonders how “Straight Talk” would react when confronted with some REAL straight talk.
Yes, an Obama / Biden ticket can and will stand for change. They have both lived through these last horrible (almost) eight years and know how badly improvement and change is needed.
As one commentator said, “Biden knows McCain better than he knows Obama.” He will be excellent on the campaign trail and in the VP debates! He adds not just foreign policy and national security creds but brings his common man acceptance. Neither Obama nor Biden need to worry about not knowing how many houses they own or that they didn’t work for and earn their livings! Both are family men who actually have morals.
The speeches both men gave today were good! Biden will need to work on Obama’s name (it didn’t seem to roll off Biden’s tongue today). Like Obama has mentioned it is a different and funny one.
lindainks55,
Yeah: I’ll take a VP who occasionally shoots from the hip over a VP who drunkenly shoots an old man in the face and gets away with it.
HA!
I lived in Texas during phil’s ill fated and short lived run for the presidency, when he declared “ready cash” to be every candidate’s best friend.
And thanks to Thomas Frank and Captain for reminding us of this yesteraday:
“The Second Glass-Stegall Act prohibited a bank holding company from owning other financial companies. It was done to stop the same “moral hazard” — in which companies that write loans assume no risk — which led to the housing melt-down of The Great Depression.
These provisions were repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.”
Mcsame isnt even smart enough to run AWAY from phil. And his wife Wendy, who was on the SEC regulatory commission. Remember?
Oy. They are so inbred they make the hillbilly gene pool look diverse.
I think mccain was setting the table the other day at the rw venue when he put out his firm pro-life commitment.
Another thing Biden brings – as Obama noted. If he disagrees with Obama on something he will have the gits to tell him so. We will be less likely to get stuck in ‘groupthink’ with him than with other possible choices. Also, Biden is respected among our allies across the world.
“About all the rw will have to attack with is some lines plagerized along time ago.”
God love Biden, I HOPE his gaff prone mouth doesnt give them anything else…
…and hasnt mcsame, or at least his speechwriter, done a little plagiarizing himself?
Hehe, omg, this fits!
From Dan Perkins, nee Tom Tomorrow:
What I’d really enjoy is for McCain to select Lieberman. Talk radio has already made it clear that their embrace of Holy Joe only lasts as long as he is an outcast Democrat — if he becomes the Republican VP nominee, their heads will explode. And what great fun it would be, to be able to say — you wanted him? He’s yours! Sadly, I don’t think it’s going to happen.
http://thismodernworld.com/4438
The dems. will have a field day with a Romney choice. And, it’ll be more than Romney was against mccain before he was for him.
ksfarmgrrl,
HA HA! “God love X” / “Bless his heart”–such constructions are indispensible when meting out the harshest of criticisms, ah tell yew whut.
“HA HA! “God love X” / “Bless his heart”–such constructions”
hee hee hee CF! See, I really did live in Texas! That’s where I learned that southerners will smile and bless your heart while they are eviscerating you and leaving your gut pile to ripen in the sun :)
For what it’s worth:
“Senator McCain has now not only joined the company of President Bush – but also President Nixon – in taking the position that as President he would consider himself above the law. In 1978, I helped draft the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which made clear the exclusive legal steps the President must take in order to conduct national security surveillance. President Bush chose to ignore the law and now it seems Senator McCain will continue this policy. Once again – there is no daylight between President Bush and Sen. McCain.
“I said during the FISA debate in 1978 that “it is not necessary to compromise civil liberties in the name of national security.” That’s as true today, even in a time of war, as it was then. We all share the goal of capturing the terrorists and protecting national security and we can do that without violating the privacy of the American people. Like President Bush, Sen. McCain is presenting the American people with a false choice—national security or civil liberties. We need a President who understands that we can have both. It’s what our values and our Constitution demands.”
http://biden.senate.gov/press/press_releases/release/?id=84c4c90e-5d09-48c2-b9fc-41afac51c70a
I offer a prayer to no one in particular that Obama made a political calculation, and voted for a bill that was going to pass anyway.
I have no particular reason to believe that (well, except for the inner circle chatter reported by Larry Lessig). But maybe, in the most oblique way, from a guy who apparently doesn’t do public apologies, this is one.
Thanks, but, news flash, dude: I eat pudding. I don’t watch it.
See you in 2009.
bth. Senator McCain’s son Jimmy who is an enlisted US Marine did a tour of duty in Iraq. Google it if you don’t believe me.
Personally, I’m thrilled. Joe Biden has been more of a senator for Kansas Democrats than our current senators have been for a long time. He and his staff have done a number of favors for me, and I know a lot of Kansas Democrats he has also helped when Brownback or Roberts or Dole refused to do so.
To me, this is a far better pick than Sebelius.
Now, if the rumors are true about Ron Klink going to the FCC…
Yum, chocolate!
Thanks for the pudding cup, Mr. C!
“Of course, Biden is prone to foot-in-mouth disease, ” by Rhonda
Are you kidding….what an understatement. He has foot-in-mouth, calf-in-mouth, leg-in-mouth, and then ass-in-mouth disease.
He doesn’t know when to shut up….and it’s going to get both him and the Dems black messiah.
It should be fun.
Biden and McCain, Rivals Again
Over the years, Biden and McCain have traveled broadly, often returning from war zones to spar with each other on the Sunday morning talk shows. As chairman of the Senate Foreign Affairs committee, Biden visited Iraq more than 7 times; McCain has returned to Iraq eight times as the senior Republican on the Armed Services committee.
The result was a rivalry — and a friendship — built on respect, people in both parties said. In 2005, Biden told comedian Jon Stewart that “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend. I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country
would be better off.”
Asked in 1999 what he would do on the first day of his presidency, McCain said he would “call in Joe Biden and John Kerry and Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Levin and like-minded Republicans” for a frank discussion about the need for a bipartisan foreign policy.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/23/biden_and_mccain_rivals_again.html
“call in Joe Biden and John Kerry and Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carl Levin and like-minded Republicans” for a frank discussion about the need for a bipartisan foreign policy.”
—–
A man McCain KNOWS has foreign policy experience to be respected and listened to! ‘course that was the “maverick” McCain, not the one who sold his soul.
Biden knows all the places and ways to “hit.” It will be good to have an attack dog on the team!
Bravo. The best call that Obama could have made. I have always thought that Biden would have made a good president; if the Democrats had ever been interested in substance.
Note how silent the cons have been? They’ll have to wait until Monday before Rush et all tells them what to say? Maybe a Saturday announcement wasn’t so stupid?
They’ll have to wait until Monday before Rush et all tells them what to say?
Well, except for Outie (but, then, he’s his own man, for whatever else I might say–kinda like Raptor).
outlander, stay out of the dance halls tonight unless you’re rested up. I’m sure the pretty girls will spot that grace a mile away, and your two-step ticket WILL be filled. :wink:
(do Wichitans still do the two-step?!?)
Seriously, though, that was mighty graceful of you. :clap:
Let’s see:
Biden said in the primaries, “Obama was too inexperienced.”
Biden also stated, “Obama was clean and articulate.”
I wonder what Biden thinks of Obama now?
That Obama is still inexperienced and a dirty, tele-prompting idiot?
:D
Speaking of tele-propted idiots, Regular, you’ve just repeated word-for-word what was on NBC news tonight. Has it gotten so bad you have to watch the mainstream media to come up with your bs?
Hee hee heeeeee. I saw this on another blog. Someone is suggesting it for an obama bumper sticker.
“One House! One Spouse!”
Look! Obama did something marginally reasonable!
Biden is a good choice. Good blue collar guy. Good in a fight.
This ticket would be a lot more likable upside down….
I don’t think it matters though. I’m sure Biden is thrilled and I’m thrilled for him. But in not offering the slot to Senator Clinton at all, Obama has made a fatal mistake. Even if she gives the speech of her life, I don’t think she can heal the damage Obama has done.
#
beber
Posted August 23, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink
Speaking of tele-propted idiots, Regular, you’ve just repeated word-for-word what was on NBC news tonight. Has it gotten so bad you have to watch the mainstream media to come up with your bs?
—————————————-
Sorry no, I remembered what Biden said and thought about Obama.
Word for Word? I doubt that.
“But in not offering the slot to Senator Clinton at all”
How can you know that? Has she told you about their meetings as she has been campaigning for Obama?
What good would it do to make a secret of having offered it to her ben?
Perhaps she will reveal that in her speech? Obama has put her in quite a strange spot. Obama’s political future and the election depends on what she says in her speech. I’ve no real interest in hearing Obama’s speech. He ran out of anything I wanted to hear a long time ago.
“They’ll have to wait until Monday before Rush et al tells them what to say…”
—-
This reminded me of one of the funnier (there were soooo many!) subjects talked about the other night when a group of “liberals” got together.
It was a looooong Terry Fox thread and had woven its way through all the intricacies of the “subject.” Now the thread is discussing the delinquent taxes owed and has a link to the listings. Someone who had been defending Terry Fox throughout the loooong thread states, “That can’t be the wife of Terry Fox — because her last name wouldn’t be et al.”
You know that saying about rolling in the floor? Literally!
What good would it do to make a secret of having offered it to her
—-
I think we will all know more when she gives her speech next week. Anyway, I hope we do!
I like Senator Biden a lot. But I need to know what his VP role will look like.
If he is to be a VP in the dick cheney or Al Gore mode, I am intrigued. If it is a traditional VP role with tie breaker vote in the Senate and going to funerals in foreign countries Biden is wasted on it. Too, is there a good Democrat ready to hold Biden’s Senate seat?
I bet she says she was asked to be considered,and declined because she thought that she could be more effective in a different role, either that of senator or possibly other appointment.
It’ll sound like a chorus tomorrow, after they get their talking points. Mark my words.
Rush will probably come up with something original, like the salt and pepper team, vs. the meat (dried jerky) and potatoes team.
Probably, more people will be listening to Senator Clinton’s speech than have ever listened to any womans speech in history.
Here is what Hillary has to say for now.
“Dear Jay,
I want to congratulate Joe Biden on becoming the vice presidential running nominee. Joe is a friend and colleague, a strong experienced leader and a devoted public servant. I look forward to not only seeing him in Denver next week but on the trail as I work to help Barack Obama and Joe Biden along with many other Democratic candidates campaign this fall.
Democrats are going to have a great and unified convention in Denver next week, and I can’t wait to be there. I am looking forward to visiting my friends and colleagues from New York, stopping by events like the Emily’s List reception, and doing everything I can to champion Barack Obama along the way. Of course, I will also be getting ready for my speech to the convention on Tuesday night. You can see for yourself by following my convention activities on our website at HillaryClinton.com, as well as on social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter.
And I’m very excited to meet Joseph Gerou, a second grade teacher from Kenosha, Wisconsin, who won our contest and will be joining me in Denver. I am looking forward to hearing more from him and so glad he can join me for this historic event.
I can’t thank everyone enough for your generous support over the past few weeks. It means so much to me personally to know that I can count on your continued friendship as I work hard to help elect Barack Obama and our other Democratic candidates in 2008. I wish you could all come with me to Denver. So I hope you will do the next best thing and stay tuned. Please keep coming back to the website to see all we are doing. I will be updating you regularly with photos, video, email and more.
This is going to be a week to remember filled with many memorable and exciting moments as Democrats come together. I hope you will join me in celebrating.
Thank you again for your hard work and your generous spirit.
Sincerely,
Hillary
There have been three of us supporters of Senator Clinton here. Myself and my friends political mama and kansasfarmgrrl. Farmgrrl has found a new candidate. Political mama wanted Hillary to be Vice President. I don’t know if she can be won over. I only wanted Senator Clinton extended the courtesy of being offered the VP slot. And I continue to worry that Obama cannot win. I’m not altogether sure I even want him to win. We know so little about him. But I can be won over if I am sure that a good portion of the Democratic base is not being tossed to the wolves. I’d rather lose a fight then duck out of one and leave friends behind.
Bluejay it has been said that the reason for not vetting Hillary is that it meant that the donors to the Clinton library would have to be disclosed and neither Bill or Hillary was wanting that.
I know you’re right, Phantom. We’ve seen it too many times! We could visit Drudge to find the talking points but I think I’ll wait. We’ll hear them often enough once they start. None of us will require a head start to recognize them!
Sorry I’m just now getting on but it was a Saturday and unlike the dems I actually have a life and have other things to do on the weekend. I thought it was great when he announced that it was Joe Biden. Just like I said, there was no way he was going to pick Hillary. Hillary wants it all and anyone who is smart enough can see that. She is not about to be satisfied with VP and he knew it or at least his advisers did.
I don’t see how Joe Biden is going to help him win anything. Oh btw, YEAAHHH!! He didn’t pick Sebelius either. Of course, we’re stuck with her as governor for awhile but having her in charge of the whole country, now that would be bad.
If I were a bleeding liberal democrat, I would be worried about who McCain will choose for his running mate. If it is Mitt Romney, you are all in a lot of trouble. We have seen how awful the dems and their MSM have acted over the past 8 years because they lost twice. Heaven forbid if they lose again. However, I think it would be worth it even if they lash out in anger again.
They may be hurting our economy right now just to make sure that the American people will vote for Obama, but they have under estimated the public for the last two elections. There are a lot of us that are not falling for it this time either. And if they keep bringing down our economy for the next 4 to 8 years just to get the Americans vote, just remember it will effect the average democrat citizen as well too which in that case means you libs on this blog as well. And there is always a possibility of a revolution, throw out the worthless bums!!!!
I wish there were going to be more than one VP nominee debate.
Of all the current choices McCain has?
Romney, Lieberman and all?
Biden can chop any of them to pieces and make their spouse hold his coat while he does it!
“. If it is Mitt Romney, you are all in a lot of trouble. ”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If it is Mitt Romney, McCain will LOSE voters just by naming him. Then Biden would debate Romney and reduce ol’ Mittens to a quivering blob of melted plastic.
Yes, BlueJay, Biden will be effective. And, it will be fun! This quote from one article I read made me laugh:
“Biden’s persona and political personality are in so many ways the antithesis of Obama’s. Obama speaks with soaring and often inspirational rhetoric; Biden may be windy, but he is also direct, blunt and plain-spoken. Obama may seem aloof. Biden is always in your face. Obama offers high-altitude passion; Biden’s is ground-level. Who else but Biden might have introduced his wife to the American people as “drop-dead gorgeous”?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082301891.html
“If I were a bleeding liberal democrat” — porgy borgy
I would go to the emergency room. Rush will tell you what to do on Monday.
TheBorgHunter
Posted August 23, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink
Sorry I’m just now getting on but it was a Saturday and unlike the dems I actually have a life and have other things to do on the weekend.
—
:lol:
I’m reminded of comments of Triumph, the Comic Insult Dog (aka Robert Smigel, of SNL and co-writer of You Don’t Mess With The Zohan), whilst attending a William Shatner-featured Star Trek convention (at which the Borg were featured prominently, apparently).
One, “get a life.” :D
Two, to an obviously pregnant woman…well, hear it for yourself: http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/2536/detail/
“Sorry no, I remembered what Biden said and thought about Obama.” — Regular
and posted 22 minutes after the news was over too.
#
beber
Posted August 23, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink
“Sorry no, I remembered what Biden said and thought about Obama.” — Regular
and posted 22 minutes after the news was over too.
——————————–
So, it’s part of Biden’s oral record.
Just like I remember Biden having some sort of aneurysm a few years back.
Some things you just remember.
One thing about today’s announcement.
If you’re a fair minded person, a person who believes in and lives by fair play, then you’ve got to give it up to Obama for “going first.”
I think the Democrats can be rightfully proud of their candidate’s courage here. I doubt you’ll hear any mention of this in the news, but I believe that the act of giving the McCain campaign a free shot here, a free shot to pick a VP who could favorably counteract an Obama/Biden ticket is the act of a very confident candidate.
And one who deserves credit for his courage, too.
I remember when you morons all said John Edwards would slice up Cheney like a watermelon in July at the VP debate.
And, naturally, the exact opposite proved true.
A really interesting story of Joe Biden
———-
For Senator, Another Comeback
As they watched Joseph R. Biden Jr. step on stage in Springfield, Ill., yesterday, a 65-year-old with white hair jogging to the lectern, many of his longtime friends and colleagues experienced a touch of deja vu: Once again, Biden had resurrected a career that appeared destined for decline.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302289.html
So, its Joe (I love Neil Kinnick) Biden. In case you have forgotten, Kinnick was the leader of the British Labor Party during their wilderness years back in the eighties when Britian was actually well governed by Margaret Thatcher and the Tories. It was also Kinnick who Biden plagiarized back in 88 that forced him to drop out in probably the one year he had a decent shot at the Democratic nomination.
Putting Biden on the ticket this year reminds me of one of the best lines from the early months of the Clinton administration. The stumbling bumbling Clintons and their neophyte friends from Arkansas were screwing up left and right stepping on powerful toes and making enemies all over the place. About that time David Gergen, a veteran Washington hand who also served in the George H. W. Bush White House was appointed as special advisor to the President. The memorable line from a pundit whose name escapes me was “now the Clinton kids will have adult supervision”. Putting Biden on the ticket may mean that somebody has decided that the Obama kids need adult supervision.
KSGolfnut and Chrisfrommactown, not exactly famous around here for fair play, and that’s what they bring when they bring it?
Edwards (not running) and :lol: Neil friggin Kinnick? From 20 years ago?!? A Brit?!?
Wow. That is damning, no doubt about it nosirree. :wink:
Hmmm, I guess I’m thinking that Obama may have hit a home run today after all.
:D
I know that I for one would never wish to be associated with Neil Kinnick, no way. God forbid THAT.
:lol:
“And I continue to worry that Obama cannot win. I’m not altogether sure I even want him to win. We know so little about him. But I can be won over if I am sure that a good portion of the Democratic base is not being tossed to the wolves. I’d rather lose a fight then duck out of one and leave friends behind.”
Damn BlueJay, I can’t believe this. That statement makes me want to meet, sit down, and buy you a cup of coffee, if you drink it that is.
And of course I wouldn’t want you to choke on it being with the company you would be keeping.
That’s a darn insightful statement above.
I realize you are not leaning ‘right’ but none the less Obama is a mistake for Democrats.
Who are you kidding pedant ? You probably never heard of Neil Kinnick before tonight. You people know you are saddled with a loser of a candidate that even a sad sack like McCain will easily beat. I’m even starting to be optimistic that the Republican Senate losses can be held to a minimum and that they may even pick up a few seats in the House. Tell me again how this is a Democrat year?
I’m thinking that Obama/Biden would just LOVE to see the McCain ticket sink say $40 million or so into bringing the infamous Neil Kinnick right into America’s living room. By November.
With Biden answering it all, free, and in prime time.
:lol:
Neil Kinnick = arugula
:lol:
This must mean Mitt Romney won’t be McCain’s choice for the VP slot! No person can be so critical of the words spoken by Biden and turn around and chose a person who used stronger words as his running mate. Could they? Is he that hypocritical?
——–
McCain uses Biden’s own words against Obama in new ad
SEDONA, Ariz. – Sen. John McCain immediately began using Joe Biden’s own words against him early Saturday morning, drawing on the Democratic vice-presidential nominee’s criticism of Sen. Barack Obama during the Democratic primary.
“There has been no harsher critic of Barack Obama’s lack of experience than Joe Biden,” said McCain spokesman Ben Porritt. “Biden has denounced Barack Obama’s poor foreign policy judgment and has strongly argued in his own words what Americans are quickly realizing — that Barack Obama is not ready to be president.”
Running against Obama for the presidency, Biden said nominating someone without national security credentials would be a “tragic mistake” and said the presidency “is not something that lends itself to on-the-job-training.”
The first volley from McCain’s staff arrived at 1:50 a.m., reflecting the new pace of presidential politics in the Internet era. And it foreshadowed what is certain to be a principal line of attack.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-usmcca0824,0,3267716.story
Oh and BJ, Biden will let his mouth get away from him and sink Obama, at least I think and hope that to be the case.
And Biden will completely over shadow Obama, making him look ’small’ for the Presidency. Obama is all rhetoric and then only with teleprompters. Folks will figure that out soon enough, and maybe already are starting too.
The Dems made a big mistake with regards to Hillary, lets now enjoy ‘the rest of the story’.
Colin Powell was suggested as one who is on the short list for McCain’s V.P. pick.
McCain: Biden A “Very Wise Selection”
(CBS) In an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric Saturday at his home in Sedona, Ariz., presumptive GOP nominee John McCain had kind words for Sen. Joe Biden, who last night was named presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama’s running mate.
“I think he’s a good selection,” McCain told Couric of Biden. “Joe and I have been friends for many, many years, and we know each other very well, and so I think he’s made a very wise selection.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/23/politics/main4377152.shtml
I don’t think Colin Powell tends to the neocon philosopy. McCain certainly does! That would seem to me to be an insurmountable difference.
Colin Powell?
Not sure I see that, frankly: I agree with Linda.
I’m thinking that you put Grover and Colin in the same room for long enough and the GOP changes forever (only one of ‘em is coming out alive, given time).
Also, like LInda I don’t see Bill Kristol & The Neocons being exactly enamored by Colin Powell. In fact, the Israeli lobby in Congress just might attempt a host switch if Gen. Powell comes onboard the McCain ticket.
Obama and Biden lose the script
BARACK Obama and Joseph Biden both fluffed their lines today as the new White House running mates ceded an opening to their Republican enemies by veering off-script.
Perhaps it was the temperature nudging 100 F (37.8 C) that forced Senator Obama into a slip of the tongue as he introduced Senator Biden as “the next president” before correcting it to vice president.
If the silver-tongued Senator Obama does not often slip up, Senator Biden comes with a treasure trove of gaffes that is already feeding the Republican attack machine.
The Delaware senator, 65, was in full cry against Senator McCain when he botched his new boss’s name, saying “Barack America” today.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24232479-23109,00.html
Biden has been in the Senate for 35 years.
Yeah, picking Biden for a running mate stands for change!
HA
HA
HA
HA
HA
HA
HA
HA
There’s still HOPE.
Biden is every bit as Arrogant as Obama.
Biden is every bit against the 2nd Amendment as Obama.
Biden is every bit the Socialist as Obama.
Great Pair they make!
(I’m really, really glad that Obama picked the one Rush Limbaugh was hoping for!)
#
lindainks55
Posted August 23, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink
I don’t think Colin Powell tends to the neocon philosopy. McCain certainly does! That would seem to me to be an insurmountable difference.
—————————-
Again with the ‘neocon’ thing. I don’t even think you know what a neocon is.
Gore and Kerry thought enough of McCain to potentially add him to a list as Vice President.
Are Gore and Kerry neocons too?
55% of you Dems voted for Obama and 45% for Clinton.
Ya think Clinton might get a shot at the VP?
Nope.
Your votes don’t count! And you can’t blame Republicans for your own Primary election!
I do understand neocon. I wish I didn’t. It is the scariest knowledge I’ve ever had. Like Farmgrrl says, once you know something, you can’t unknow it.
No, neither Gore nor Kerry is a neocon.
Did y’all forget that Biden called Obama a Clean Black Man?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
I think I’ll vote for Obama cause he’s C L E A N !!!!
Did Biden say Hillary was Clean?
Did Biden say Edwards was Clean?
Did Biden say Richardson was Clean?
Did Biden say Kucinich was Clean?
Why would Biden make that comment about Obama being CLEAN? Did Biden think Obama would be DIRTY?
Very unusual when you meet him, ya find out he’s C L E A N !!!!
I heard a big sigh of relief from the Democrats when Biden was picked.
Perfect choice.
Every Democrat was Hoping for Biden.
Needless to say, course have increased and I am very satisfied with Hillary. And many twenty years. Twenty years occurs during the 9-5.
We ended up in Hillary. I learned twenty years. When we woke up this morning it was already time to get up so a good sign of Monday.
Oh god who let Max out?
Max? I don’t have to look far to find you posting exactly the other way.
That Senator Clinton was going to steal the nomination from Obama?
We don’t need you swimmin’ in our soup. Go fret over who McCain will pick.
I’m not sold on Obama. I’m a long way from there in fact. I live in Kansas and have that luxury of my vote not counting.
But? I will offer advice to the Obama supporters and maybe they can filter it up to Barack.
Barack can be sorta….mocking in his speech. At least that’s my take. Kinda goofy and all “Now, come on”
Now to ME? That’s off putting. But then he was using it against who I wanted to be nominated.
He needs to get a handle on that except when it can serve him. It makes him come off as smug. And folks are already troubled about his ego.
But how it can serve him?
Biden and other fighters need to coach him in this for the debates. John McCain is a volcano just waiting to erupt. If Obama can get that mocking “now, come on” style into the debates the right way, he can blow McCain up in front of a live audience.
Story book man, for an Obama Nation!
Do the repub talking heads realize they sound almost as ignorant denigrating Biden’s being in the Senate for 36 yrs. (just a little longer than mccain) as mccain does when he’s talking trash on the congress for not getting anything done?
Are they really that big of hypocrites and fools?
The Republican blob is starting to congeal around poor hillary being dissed, that will be their strategy trying to pound on what they see a a wedge. That is until the convention when hillary says she didn’t want to be vetted.
I saw Chris Matthews telling a Republican uncle tom spokesperson that the clean articulate quote was well meant. I thought if he had any gonads he would have told him “You mean you’d find it offensive if I said you were a clean, articulate, black man?”
Obama picked the one rush was hoping for, but repubs. didn’t pick the one rush was hoping for. Go figure!
Gore and Kerry thought enough of McCain to potentially add him to a list as Vice President.
Are Gore and Kerry neocons too?
No, mccain was/is a closet democrat. Any more dumb questions?
Why not Barrack America, it is an Obama Nation? The bush nation is dying a slow torturous death for its members.
“If it is a traditional VP role with tie breaker vote in the Senate and going to funerals in foreign countries Biden is wasted on it.”
Wouldn’t that be even more true for Senator Clinton? Her role in the Senate for the next 20 years is a heck of a lot more important than a VP slot.
“Gore and Kerry thought enough of McCain to potentially add him to a list as Vice President.”
Maybe – we don’t really know that for sure. And even if true, that was before McCain sold out to Rove and the rest of that bunch.
Heck, back in 2000 I might have voted for McCain.
First, McCain is not going to put Colin Powell on the ticket, especially after Powell endorsed Messiah Empty Suit. I would tell Colin Powell get lost if he endorsed my opponent. If the guy wants to go hang out with Messiah Empty Suit and Mr. Plagirism, go right ahead. Nobody’s stopping you.
Second, for the idiot who said McCain has been in the Senate nearly as long as Biden, last I checked, McCain was still in the Hanoi Hilton when Biden was elected in 1972. McCain didn’t come to the Senate until January 1987, when Biden had already completed four years of his third term.
For those who think $ebeilu$ should have been the choice, even Messiah Empty Suit wasn’t going to fall for a governor who has done nothing for six years other than veto economic development, overspend on education, and take hundreds of thousands of dollars in blood money from infaticide specialist Tiller the Killer. Hopefully, Messiah Empty Suit will be rejected by the voters, and in 2010, $ebeliu$ will be sent into political retirement when she loses the Senate race to replace Brownback. Of course, I’m sure she is going to try to change the Kansas Constitution over the next two years to repeal the two-term limit for governors so she can run again and again.
McCain/Lieberman! I’m 2000 percent against abortion, especially infaticide specialist Tiller the Killer, but I’m all about stopping Messiah Empty Suit. One issue is not going to make a lick of difference on our pocketbooks. Remember, there’s a reason why Messiah Empty Suit is preaching CHANGE…he only wants you to have CHANGE left in your pocket after you’re done paying for his astronomical tax hikes and new social spending.
arrogance and “off puttng” = having knowledge of the subject.
Your readers may be interested in reading the new book, “Obamanable! – Why Barack Hussein Obama is BAD for America”, by Walton Mearsheimer (whoever he is; the pen-name — or ‘pun’-name, if you will — couldn’t be more sublime).
The book is a blast — a sustained, incredibly fast-paced, and splendidly irreverent thrashing of Obama. Even better, “Obamanable!” will be sure to make Obama-worshipers squirm in furious indignation — so buy two or three and give the extras to your favorite radical lefties. I can almost feel the hateful venom Obamautomatons will spew in response to this book.
For the rest of us, however — that is, for anyone with a clue — “Obamanable!” is a rollicking good time.
Welcome to this forum, “Reviewer” –
I look forward to your future comments regarding the Mulvane casino and the future of Old Cowtown.
Unless, of course, you’re merely a shill for some self-published crap book that would make Jerome Corsi blush.
So what’s your position on the downtown arena, “Reviewer?”
I’m guessing, from reading this and other blogs, that “infantacide” must be the new buzzword/talking point for the american taliban? I see it being used all over every time there is an attempted conversation about choice.
I say attempted conversation, because, ya know, you cant have a conversation with the american taliban about anything. They are too busy foaming at the mouth, spewing buzzwords, and sharpening their swords to lop off your head for even TALKING about abortion, gay marriage, etc.
Keep it up guys. Keep telling the world how prochoice obama/biden is, how antichoice mcsame is, and how he’s flip flopped on the issue from being prochoice to antichoice so’s he could get all that wingnut campaign money.
Keep making it an issue and reminding the world that mcsame will likely appoint two Supremes, if HE outlives THEM!
You’ll have all those, as captain said, “monumentally pissed off women” saying “Hillary who?” and beating feet to the polls to vote for obama and rub grandpa’s nose in the talibanse dirt.
Infantacide. Remember, it’s the new taliban talking point. Remember it everytime paul rossell, parkay newman, and now the new bozos use it. Remember the american taliban and how awful life would be under them. And I do mean UNDER them.
Remember what infanticide stands for in dog whistle terms for the american taliban. An end to choice, thanks to mcsame’s Supreme Court.
Vote early and vote often.
I’ll admit I don’t really know about Biden. The only other person I’ve met from Delaware, was my brothers ex. And he should have killed her and gone with the justifiable homoside with that broad. He would have been out of prison in shorter time then it took for the divorce to be final. God, she was a crazy bitch. Are all Delaware people like that?
Once again those who claim life begins at conception ignore that McCain can adamantly speak their motto without being against IVF and embryonic stem cell research.
hypocritical and contradictory
and then after they’ve convinced themselves this is fine they go start wars and conveniently forget that killing ends life no matter where or how it’s done.
But they’ve got their motto and none of the understanding that brings peace.
How many homes would a McSame-Romney ticket have between them?
And can John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term), who doesn’t understand economics, count that high?
McCain can’t be so stupid, convoluted and hypocritical to release an ad decrying Obama making his critic a running mate and then quickly make a critic a running mate, can he?
Re: Max
DNFTT
Bullsh*t free ad analysis from Factcheck.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/distorting_mccains_remarks.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/reed_reality.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html
“especially after Powell endorsed Messiah Empty Suit.”
Valid point, ESPECIALLY after Powell served in Empty Suit’s administration and spoke so many lies in support of Empty Suit’s invasion of Iraq.
“Of course, I’m sure she is going to try to change the Kansas Constitution over the next two years to repeal the two-term limit for governors so she can run again and again.”
Care to make a wager on that inferior?
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
Hey “reviewer” – review that!
Powell was da man, for repubs. when he sat there and lied at the U.N., now the morons are calling him a liberal.
Inner cities, esp. black neighborhoods have infant deat rate higher than 3rd world countries. In fact it is higher rate than those killed by violence and all other causes for birth to 18 yrs. old.
Where’s the concern?
Too far out of the womb to elicit concern.
I especially love the last line – hey parkay, got your tin-foil on?
In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:
Obama’s birth announcement
The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama “likely” was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.
ksfarmgrrl Posted August 24, 2008 at 8:58 am |
“I’m guessing, from reading this and other blogs, that “infantacide” must be the new buzzword/talking point for the american taliban? I see it being used all over every time there is an attempted conversation about choice.”
Infanticide, defined;
“Infanticide is the practice of someone intentionally causing the death of an infant. Often it is the mother who commits the act, but criminology recognises various forms of non-maternal child murder. In many past societies, certain forms of infanticide were considered permissible, whereas in most modern societies the practice is considered immoral and criminal. Nonetheless, it still takes place — in the Western world usually because of the parent’s mental illness or violent behavior,…”
I’d say that pretty accurately describes what you euphemistically call “choice”