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Interesting. Swinging back McCain’s way?

Sunday, July 13, 2008

For the second straight day, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows that the race for the White House is tied. Sunday’s numbers show Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 43% of the vote…

McCain is now viewed favorably by 57% of voters and unfavorably by 40%. For Obama, the numbers are 54% favorable and 44% unfavorable.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Anyone who doesn’t pretty well have their mind made up isn’t posting here. Even the few who aren’t sure who they will vote for, know who they will vote against.

The few who wake up on election day, put voting on their daily “to do” list for no better reason than it’s election day and they always vote, THEN they think about who they will be voting for — what is their deciding factor? I’ve always wondered. We hear lots about the undecided. Has anyone ever known one?

Agnatha
For starters, neither Snopes nor Fact Check really help Obama’s case very much.

For starters, Obama is now admitting, in a NEW forward, to his “auto biography” that his book is partly fiction.

Now, you attack Boxlock for not using exact quotes? Or you attack Boxlock for quotes that are attributed to the book, but actually came from elsewhere?

Well, excuse us all to hell if we are all having a hard time understanding truth, and separating truth from fiction, when Obama started with FICTION to begin with!

“laid back Hawaii, where America’s normal racial rules never applied” ???

Granted, this is an author, quoted by Snopes, explaining Obama.

However, Hawaii is probably the MOST cliqueish and clannish and race based state in America, today.

Oriental culture is, generally, not very accepting of Black people. There is a heavy Japanese population, in Hawaii.

Also, the “native” people, in Hawaii, often feel little loyalty to American mainlanders, of any race or color.

Violent protests, and the vandalism of automobiles, by seperatists, still happens in Hawaii.

Growing up part of his life, in Hawaii, would introduce Obama to class-based ideas of self worth, not to any kind of “open” or “liberal” society as far as racial tolerance is concerned.

Hawaii is a beautiful place. I am not putting down any race or culture. However, Hawaii is dealing with a huge immigrant influx. The people with lots of money tend to be from Japan.

Granted, much of this happened after Obama left that state, but lets not hold Hawaii up as some kind of ideal. They are human there, as we are here, and the “melting pot” in Hawaii is not quite the same as it is in Kansas.

Obama has moved between cliques and clans and odd groups his entire life. His Hawaii past helps to explain that navigation, a survival skill that Obama developed.

Agnatha

OBAMA is the king of BS!

I can not think of another poster here, on this Blog, that has made as many false statements as Obama.

If honesty is your most important issue, you have a horrible candidate in Obama.

KansasNative
I am not perfect, but I know that other Bloggers at least check on what I am trying to say or post. They do so to either fight what I say or to support what I say.
You? You never make a valid point.
You never post an interesting argument.
Much of what you say is not true, on its face, or is contradictory, on its face.

I guarantee you that no other Blogger is researching or trying to support or refute your posts, since they are all insane rantings.

Try to cut back on the personal attacks. Try to find an interestinig angle on a topic that none of the rest of us have come up with, so far.

Try not to be such a boar, ok?

I like Cindy McCain. She has done a great deal of charity work, and she never had to do much of anything if she did not want to do it.
Her work with Special Needs kids is impressive.

http://2minuteview.blogspot.com/

Monkey
And Obama’s dad liberated a concentration camp that was actually liberated by the RUSSIANS!

Again, look at the doucmented Obama lies. Some are human errors and mistakes that anyone could make. However, most of them are blatant lies and he had to know that he was lying, when he said them:

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/07/its-72-documented-lies-and-still-sunny.html

Obama fights dirty.
It is hard to feel sorry for a guy that got into office, to begin with, the way Obama did it:

“chicagotribune.com
MAKING OF A CANDIDATE
Obama knows his way around a ballot
Some say his ability to play political hardball goes back to his first campaign

By David Jackson and Ray Long

Tribune staff reporters

6:48 PM CDT, April 3, 2007

The day after New Year’s 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city’s South Side (see at right) And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama’s four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama’s petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

“Why say you’re for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?” Askia said. “He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?”

In a recent interview, Obama granted that “there’s a legitimate argument to be made that you shouldn’t create barriers to people getting on the ballot.”

But the unsparing legal tactics were justified, he said, by obvious flaws in his opponents’ signature sheets. “To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had been set up,” Obama recalled.

“I gave some thought to … should people be on the ballot even if they didn’t meet the requirements,” he said. “My conclusion was that if you couldn’t run a successful petition drive, then that raised questions in terms of how effective a representative you were going to be.”

Asked whether the district’s primary voters were well-served by having only one candidate, Obama smiled and said: “I think they ended up with a very good state senator.”

Obama behind challenges
America has been defined in part by civil rights and good government battles fought out in Chicago’s 13th District, which in 1996 spanned Hyde Park mansions, South Shore bungalows and poverty-bitten precincts of Englewood.

It was in this part of the city that an eager reform Democrat by the name of Abner Mikva first entered elected office in the 1950s. And here a young, brash minister named Jesse Jackson ran Operation Breadbasket, leading marchers who sought to pressure grocery chains to hire minorities.

Palmer served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was working as a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii and Indonesia. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor, according to news accounts and interviews.

But when Palmer got clobbered in that November 1995 special congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat.

Obama not only refused to step aside, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer’s hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw.

“I liked Alice Palmer a lot. I thought she was a good public servant,” Obama said. “It was very awkward. That part of it I wish had played out entirely differently.”

His choice divided veteran Chicago political activists.

“There was friction about the decision he made,” said City Colleges of Chicago professor emeritus Timuel Black, who tried to negotiate with Obama on Palmer’s behalf. “There were deep disagreements.”

Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. Palmer’s elimination marked the first of several fortuitous political moments in Obama’s electoral success: He won the 2004 primary and general elections for U.S. Senate after tough challengers imploded when their messy divorce files were unsealed. Jack Ryan, (republican) and Blair Hull (Democrat)

Obama contended that in the case of the 1996 race, in which he routed token opposition in the general election, he was ready to compete in the primary if necessary.

“We actually ran a terrific campaign up until the point we knew that we weren’t going to have to appear on the ballot with anybody,” Obama said. “I mean, we had prepared for it. We had raised money. We had tons of volunteers. There was enormous enthusiasm.”

And he defended his use of ballot maneuvers: “If you can win, you should win and get to work doing the people’s business.”

At the time, though, Obama seemed less at ease with the decision, according to aides. They said the first-time candidate initially expressed reservations about using challenges to eliminate all his fellow Democrats.

“He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?” said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his “guru of petitions.”

In the end, Davis filed objections to all four of Obama’s Democratic rivals at the candidate’s behest.”

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/demonstrable-lie-40-obamas-claim-they.html

Back to Obama
The man won his first race by kicking everyone else off the ballot, with legal challenges.
Then, Obama wins after sexual scandals “leaked” to the press, against two other rivals.

Obama is dirty.

This is not a “new kind of politics”

This is bad, bad Leroy Brown, baddest man in the whole damn town, South Side of Chicago dirty politics.

Snopes says “Multiple” NOT False!!!

In His Own Words

Claim: E-mail lists racist passages taken from Barack Obama’s books.

Status: Multiple — see below.

Example: [Collected via e-mail, May 2008]

Agnatha
Posted July 13, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
“An act so mind numbingly stupid, Boxlock had to go and do it twice: Posting a thoroughly discredited e-mail rumor.”

But who the hell reads your post…nobody.
Snopes says “Multiple” they don’t say False!!!

Agnatha,
Your other ‘authority’ says “Other quotes in the e-mail are offered without their full context”. In other words he still said them and like I said you can spin it but it doesn’t change what he said.

Is that the way to our wallets, through our flesh?

Ahem. . .well, I know one profession where that works!

. . .which, come to think of it, is quite relevant! :)

Chicago is going through a period with some of the worst gang violence in its history.
Kids are being shot, by gangs, on school property.

Obama voted AGAINST a law to fight gangs:

” No, On Tougher Penalties for Gang-Bangers
In 2002, Obama voted “NO” on HB 1812, a bill designed to toughen penalties for crimes committed in furtherance of gang activities.

-HB 1812 May 12, 2001″

Box
If I testified, in court, that I saw a man in a blue pick up truck shoot a kid with a rifle while the truck was at a complete stop, and gave the correct license number of the truck, and some of the libs on this Blog KNEW and SUPPORTED the truck driver?

They would say that, since the truck was moving, but slowly, and since the kid was actually 19 and not, technically, a “kid” and since the truck was really green and not blue, that I was THEREFORE a LIAR!

Never mind that somebody got killed!

Never mind if the shooter admitted the crime.

Never mind the actual relevance of any of these facts or points.

The libs on this Blog discount EVERYTHING said against another liberal, if they can find ANYTHING
that we say that is not 100% accurate.

It is funny to watch, since the same liberals allow other liberals to make up all kinds of stuff.

Also, the same liberals allow Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore and now, Obama, to lie through their teeth, without consequence or correction.

They can not live up to their own standards.

And, the basic theme of what we are saying, abouth THEIR heroes, is true.

It does not matter, in the end, what color the truck might have been! We got the right guy, and we are right about what he did!

Now, having said that, the “Dan Rather” attack style is wrong. We should do our best to have our facts straight. Just because we want something to be true does not make it true.

After all of the media falsehoods, like Dan Rather and the National Guard documents, all the fake stories from “phoney soldiers” who were never in battle, which were reprinted all over the country by several newspapers, after all of the journalists who have been exposed as complete frauds, in the last decade, the MSM has no moral authority to scold the Bloggers.

Sounds like someone has slipped into a new level of paranoia. I got through half of the lengthy whining post. Anyone able to red the whole thing? It would be funny if it weren’t so very sad that a human can be so mentally ill and removed from reality.

Remember that Savage attack by the Right Wingers on Obama, because he mistakenly said “57″ states, instead of “47″ states??

Where is the outrage because McCain says in his book that he used the names of the Green Bay Packers at his interrogation when captured… and then… when he is in Steel City, he changes it to the STEELERS… who in 1967 had one of the worst records in the NFL!!

Oh, but he must have just mis-spoken…

LOL LOL :roll:

I dont think McCain is an evil person… I dont even think he knows what “evil” means… I just think he is who he is… And I dont happen to agree with him… I would LIKE him to be another IKE, but he never will be… So, he just cant be my choice…

I agree Chas! We’ve had almost eight years of the foreign and economic policies he wants to continue. That says enough for me to know he isn’t my choice!

“George WMD Bush got gentlemen’s Cs at Yale; McSame got out of Annapolis better than only four others in a class of 500.”

Yale, Annapolis, not bad schools.

And just what do you have….I’ll bet Nothing!

See this before it is pulled, as similar videos have been recently blocked.
Chris Matthews slam dunked Senator Kirk Watson, when he asked the Senator for just one example of Obama’s legislative accomplishments. If you want to see a politician choke on national TV…watch this! Chris was surprised when the Obama campaign’s own surrogates are left utterly stumped when asked to list his legislative accomplishments as a Senator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Another Democrat, Senator Kirk Watson, who simply an intellectual giant…NOT!

Good Program site >>>>

http://www.jeffersonhour.org

Boo!

Paranoia seems to be spreading.

#
KansasNative
Posted July 13, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

You Republicans voted TWICE for WORST PRESIDENT EVER

who with Cheney and Rove introduced the most

uncivil and vile form of political attacks EVER and

now you whine and complain like babies with dirty

diapers when it gets handed back to you on a

platter.

Sucks to be you…
———————————
Naw, you Democrats voted for the losers two times.

(chortles)

Obama, McCain agree on many once-divisive issues

“Stem-cell research and nuclear weapons are just two examples of a surprising but little-noticed aspect of the 2008 campaign: Democrat Obama and Republican McCain agree on a range of issues that have divided the parties under Bush.

On immigration, faith-based social services, expanded government wiretapping, global warming and more, Obama and McCain have arrived at similar stances — even as they have spent weeks trying to amplify the differences between them on other issues, such as healthcare and taxes.

Even on Iraq, a signature issue for both candidates, McCain and Obama have edged toward each other.

The result is that in many areas of policy, the general direction of the next White House seems already set, even if the details are not.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-centrists13-2008jul13,0,4649817.story

Judicial Watch files FEC and Senate complaints against Obama, for shady Rezco – Northern Trust real estate deal.

(Libs, there is already a rebuttle on this link, but you will see that the rebut, itself, comes right off of the Obama web page and is pretty weak.)

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2008/jul/judicial-watch-files-senate-fec-complaints-against-barack-obama-over-questionable-mort

Rossell, what percentage Arab is Barack Obama?

WS
This is what Obama’s church had to say, in support of Arabs and Moslems, and attacking Israel and Jewish people:

“Saturday, April 26, 2008
Obama’s Church Mag,”Jews worked on an ethnic bomb that kills Blacks and Arabs”
This article comes from the June 2007 edition of the Trinity UCC magazine…its carried on the “Pastor’s Pages”. It was included in the pages directly before an article about Obama. Therefore, we’d have to believe that Obama stopped reading at the end of the article about him in order for him to be unaware of this outrageous article by a former employee of Farrakhan. The article is filled with anti-semitic hatred, and astonishingly compares the treatment of the Palestinians to that used by NAZI’s on jews…(the ex Farrakhan man doesn’t let the absence of concentration camps in Israel get in the way of his racist rhetoric.)”

http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/04/obamas-church-magazine-2007-jews-worked.html

Whahahah Check out the original source for: “Democrats are terror-enabling economy-destroying anti-family secularists out to destroy America.”

“24 hours of FOX News watching difficult for sane person; try four years of it!”
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/07/13/24_hours_of_fox_news_watching_difficult_for_sane_person_try_four_years_of_it.php

WS Clark,

You have done far more to your family here than I have.

I didn’t implicate your granddaughter in saying such vulgar things on a blog.

Why did you?

Again, they are so enthused about McCain, they won’t bash Senator Obama.

WSClark
Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:14 am | Permalink

“Phuck you and the dog your Daddy mated with to produce a son of a bitch like you.”

Nathaniel
Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink

“WS Clark,

The way you said what you did was clearly an insult towards my mother as well.

Care to take that back?”

WSClark
Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:32 am | Permalink

“As soon as you take back the insults directed at my son, my daughter, my son in law and my granddaughter.”

Nathaniel
Posted July 4, 2008 at 12:35 am | Permalink

“WS Clark,

I have never insulted your granddaughter to my knwoledge, so if you know something in particular you will have to remind me.

I take back what I said about your son and son-in-law as well.

I should never have said those things.”

Radical Muslims for Obama
Assyrian International News Agency ^ | 2-5-2008 | Joe Kaufman

Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:09:23 PM by indcons

With its similarity to popular online sites such as Facebook and MySpace and its links to a network of grassroots blogs, Barack Obama’s campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate’s transformative politics. But at least part of the senator’s online outreach, “Muslim Americans for Obama ’08,” proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer and has denounced Obama’s colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish. This segment of Obama’s online outreach also has ties to unindicted co-conspirators in terror trials and has recruited Obama supporters from among the ranks of fundamentalist Muslim extremists.

On the blog, which is attached to BarackObama.com, viewers can read about “the Senate pro-Israeli zionist hawk Joe Lieberman,” as well as criticism aimed at Obama himself for getting too cozy with the Israeli lobby. As stated on the blog, that last part was derived from information found on Electronic Intifada (EI), a terror apologist website based in Chicago, Illinois, Obama’s hometown. According to the site’s co-founder, Ali Abunimah, Senator Obama once told him, regarding Abunimah’s anti-American and anti-Israel writings, to “Keep up the good work!”

While the Muslim Americans for Obama ’08 blog is hosted by Obama’s website, it is actually part of another site that goes by the same name, located at muslimsforobama08.com. The registered agent for the site is Zakiyah Omar, a women’s costume designer from Jacksonville, Florida. Omar has been involved in the Obama campaign since December 2006 (She has had the site since February ’07). She too has her own blog hosted by the official Obama website.

On the Muslim Americans for Obama ’08 site, one will find a list of upcoming events, issues and solutions, details on how to join, a links section to sites of interest, and of course, a link to the blog. There’s even a toll-free number to call for more information.

Within the events section, a number of the listings pertain to conferences and conventions being sponsored by organizations that have a number of troubling ties. One is the 44th Annual ISNA National Convention, held in Rosemont, Illinois.

ISNA or the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) was recently named an “Unindicted Co-conspirator” for a Dallas trial that dealt with the funding of millions of dollars to Hamas. Beginning in December 2003, ISNA was the subject of a Senate investigation into the financing of terror groups overseas. The group currently uses its website to propagate violent hatred against Jews and Christians.

Another of the events listed is the 32nd ICNA-MAS Convention, held in Hartford, Connecticut. ICNA or the Islamic Circle of North America, in August 2006, was the top donor to a Pakistani charity that, at the time, had given $99,000 to the head of Hamas, Khaled Mashaal. Four people associated with the ICNA-related ‘Houston Taliban’ were arrested and charged with jihad training with firearms, for the purpose of joining the Taliban to attack Americans overseas.

MAS or the Muslim American Society, like ISNA, uses the web to spread violent hatred against non-Muslims. In April 2004, MAS’s Communications Director, Randall Todd “Ismail” Royer, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for his activities within the ‘Virginia Jihad Network,’ a group that was conspiring with Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT) to attack Americans and Indians abroad.

Yet another event listing is the 2007 MANA National Convention, held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. MANA or the Muslim Alliance in North America was founded in May of 2000, in response to the arrest of cop killer H. Rap Brown, a.k.a. Jamil Al-Amin. The President (Amir) of the organization is Siraj Wahhaj, an individual that was named by the U.S. government an “Unindicted Co-conspirator” in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

According to Muslim Americans for Obama ’08, it took part in “VOTER REGISTRATION/INFORMATION BOOTHS,” at each of the above venues. Taking that into consideration, since Muslim Americans for Obama ’08 is officially part of the Barack Obama for President team – or as the campaign puts it, “Community” – one can conclude that Senator Obama and/or his campaign had sanctioned its attendance at these events.

Further troubling are the following “Issues & Solutions” on the site: Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take an hour off from work for Friday Jummah Prayer. Make the 2 Eid’s recognized National Holidays on Calendars with days off from work. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)

Found on the right side of the website’s homepage are a series of links, most of which deal with information about Senator Obama and the campaign. One of them, though, is a link to Aswat Al-Islam, a radical Islamic multimedia outlet. Muslim Americans for Obama ’08 lists it as “Quran (Audio) English Translation.”

Aswat Al-Islam features the works of such Islamist luminaries as: “Uninidicted Co-conspirators” of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Siraj Wahhaj and Bilal Philips; anti-Christian bigot, Ahmed Deedat; pro-wife beating author, Jamal Badawi; suicide bombing supporter, Yusuf Al-Qaradawi; and the chief cleric of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, who has called for the murders of Jews, Christians and Americans and has described Jews as “the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the killers of prophets, and the grandsons of monkeys and pigs,” Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais.

According to Muslim Americans for Obama ’08, Senator Barack Obama “is the BEST candidate for the job in 2008.” But being the best candidate should have as a requisite keeping company that is worthy of respect. Recently, Obama has been cited for having a racist and anti-Israel pastor, Jeremiah Wright, and a campaign advisor that has expressed sympathy for Hamas and Hezbollah, Robert Malley.

If Sen. Obama truly is worthy of the presidency of the United States, he should publicly distance himself from these extremist groups and individuals. And if he does not want his campaign to be seen as hospitable to radical voices, he should sever his ties with the blog that provides credible evidence for this charge.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966787/posts

Don’t ever apologize to Clark Nathan. He’ll just take your apology wad it up and throw the same thing back in your face over and over. Clark hasn’t learned to be a man yet and accept apologies gracefully.

Besides, as you said, he has done much worse to other posters and never has apologized for anything he has written here.

Don’t do it.

Agnatha,
The links presented, on OBAMA’s web page, are to radical Islamic organizations.
It is OBAMA endorsing radical Islam!

Also, for once, why don’t you try to look at the facts presented, and try to refute those stated facts, rather than your knee jerk attack of the source?

If you will do just a little bit of work, before you spout off, you might learn that Free Republic almost ALWAYS relists or reposts from other sources.

So, with a small amount of effort, you would see that my Free Republic post actually was reposting an Assyrian International News Agency post.

whoa…DA is insulting someone?

*shock*

“whoa…DA is insulting someone?”

Well, the Golf Nut rears his ugly head and bad breath to make a guest appearance on WE Blog!

Wow!

I am glad that the judge didn’t revoke your bail, Nutz, and you are currently free to pollute the world with your attitude.

Say, are you going for a reduced charge plea bargain or are you going to take your chances with your fellow citizens?

If I were you, Golfie, I would take any deal that was offered.

“Obama DOES, definately, have Arab heritage. I have linked to that information, in the past. ”

“I think Obama has a very high level of Arab heritage.”

And I completely debunked your “theory” of Obama being an Arab in about twenty minutes – and you never even tried to refute the evidence.

For the record, Rosseel’s “evidence” that Barack Obama is actually Arab, not African American consisted of two ASSUMPTIONS – one that Obama’s father was Arab and the other that his grandfather was Arab.

Neither assumption is accurate.

Paul the Con is just making stuff up.

Geez WS

Quit feeding these idiots.

Maybe they’ll die.

One can hope.

Paulie is a demonstrated bigot, liar and fearm monger. Goofnut is a pervert.

You’ve done nothing when you’ve addressed trash.

“You’ve done nothing when you’ve addressed trash.”

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllll excuse me.

Ol’ DA is hittin’ the weed hard tonight. His responses are redundant and devoid of meaning.

Although, honestly…he’s rather dull when he’s sober.

Say, Golfie, it that ten to twenty at hard labor that you’re facing or will they give you some easy time due to your physical (fat) condition?

Gang Trouble? Laura’s on the Way!

“Fortunately, for Clark/Decker/DA – I laughed it off.”

Funny boy you are Golfie – everyone knows that the SWDecker e-mail is a phony for blog purposes – my real e-mail is WSClark52@gmail.com.

And as for physical violence, I have heard that the UN Inspectors are concerned about your WMD – your breath.

WS Clark,

So I see. It is the old double standard and hypocrisy at play again.

If I say mean things, I am wrong and you point out how nasty I am.

When I don’t say mean things and point out the nasty mean things you say I am a crybaby.

Either way, you still atribute vulgar language to your granddaughter in an attempt to insult me yet you are the one who makes a big deal about anyone bringing up your family.

And you still didn’t uphold your end of the bargain.

You have never had any blog decorum since day one. So I wouldn’t expect you to care that much about it now.

I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of using your own granddaughter to insult people here while claiming that she shouldnt be part of anyones insults here.

You said that my father mated with a dog to produce me. That is pretty much an insult towards my mother.

You said you would apologize for the comment if I did for the ones I made.

I apologized, you didn’t.

That is some real character there WS Clark.

“You have never had any blog decorum since day one.”

Coming from you, Little Popgun Price, I consider that a high compliment.

“Further *shock*”

Who cares what you think, Golfie?

How interesting that we have Franklin in full spin tonight, considering the topic of this thread, bringing forth every questionable claim that he can (the Obama is an Arab claim remains ludicrous for reasons that have already been pointed out).

And now we have Franklin defending a freeper (relayed) article (The Free Republic’s bias is well known, and this would include their passing on other sources). I actually did hold my nose and read it Franklin. It was a chain of questionable linkages (the Muslims for Obama website has an events page that mentions “objectionable organizations like ISNA, which was an “unindicted co-conspirator” for funding HAMAS). It was this claim, however, that I particularly found interesting: “The group (ISNA) currently uses its website to propagate violent hatred against Jews and Christians.”

I’ve seen the ISNA website, several times, Franklin, and this is complete and total bullsh*t. And get this, I have found a lot on the ISNA website that I DO disagree with. Strongly. I think they sometimes advocate for excessive government accomodation for their religion (sort of like some conservative Christian organizations). But they certainly also promote a eucamenical approach to other faiths (although unfortunately largely limited to Abrahamic faiths, you know, the very jews and christians they supposedly advocate “violent hatred” for). Basically this joker got worked up and then went ahead and said something that was flat out untrue. Think I am wrong? Then please, find primary documentation that ISNA promotes “violent hatred against Jews and Christians”. The Free Republic and other right wing nut websites (like right wing nut Andrew Cochran’s counterterroism blog, do not count).

Here you go, I’ll help you out. This is where you would find PRIMARY documentation that ISNA uses their website to promote “violent hatred against Jews and Christians”.

http://www.isna.net/Home.aspx

Keep in mind, I have found content that I object to here. Simple content is not the point, however. Please find content that advocates violent hatred against Jews and Christians, or admit that Joe Kaufman was less than honest here.

As for the rest, the author’s message, with all the linkages between organizations mentioned and scary people, is clear:

Muslims are scary. We should be scared of anyone who accomodates them in any way, or of anyone who muslims say that they support.

It’s fear mongering bullsh*t, a mixture of falsehoods, half-truths, and truths, relayed by another bullsh*tter.

And keep in mind Kaufman is already clearly less than honest (unless Franklin, you want to take up my challenge and find primary documentation concerning ISNA’s promotion of violent hatred).

“Nope. He was trying to insult you.”

Well then, that makes it all okay now, doesn’t it?

“You tell me, it is your reasoning I am using.”

Huh?

WS Clark,

What about implying that your own granddaughter would use such vulgar language trying to insult someone on a blog?

I guess that is just perfectly fine?

Why did you say you would apologize if you never had any intention of doing so?

I’ve only read half-way through this thread, but I remember a Paul Rossell who would openly and quickly admit when he was in error on the factual content of his posts. (Which was often). That man must have passed on and this Franklin character is claiming Paul’s mantel, but doing a much worse job of being a mindless shill. It is sad, really.

To quasi-quote from a recent news topic “This sounds much different from the Paul Rossell, I knew.”

I noticed that my comment above is “awaiting moderation” and apparently this is because I forgot an asterisk when quoting Harry Frankfurt. It does not appear when I look for it on another computer.

So let’s try it again with the asterisk in place.

Boxlock: “Snopes says ‘Multiple’ NOT False!!!”

1) “Multiple” includes false.

2) Well, I guess that just makes it OK doesn’t it (since, you know, it’s not all false)?

Boxlock, be a man and own up. You relayed false information without bothering to look it up first. This isn’t the first time you’ve done this. And neither time have you had the integrity to actually just say “I was wrong”.

Remember the discussion we had awhile back, where I posted something, discovered that it was incorrect, and pointed it out in a subsequent post? Something I strongly doubt you ever would have caught (although you tried to jump on it in the subsequent discussion)?

I sincerely hope, sir, that you show more integrity in face to face encounters than you have here.

“But who the hell reads your post…nobody.
Snopes says “Multiple” they don’t say False!!!”

Back to the playground retort that you seem to reliably resort to when you get your rhetorical *ss handed to you (Well, well, nobody cares what you say!!”). I notice you spent three post replying to me, which kind of gives lie to this retort, now doesn’t it?

Surprise us. Be a man. Own up to your mistake.

“Agnatha,
“Your other ‘authority’ (I assume that would be factcheck) says ‘Other quotes in the e-mail are offered without their full context’. In other words he still said them and like I said you can spin it but it doesn’t change what he said.”

1) Putting quotes in their correct context isn’t spinning, and Fact Check spins for nobody. Do you realize, Boxlock, that I have linked to Fact Check articles that indicate misleading or just plain false attacks on John McCain or other Republicans? Probably not, since “no one reads what I say” (of course, this is in reply to your third reply to a single post of mine).

2) Relaying quotes out of context to create a false impression of what someone is saying is, well, lying.

“I must confess though, and this is NOT directed at you or even most of the bloggers by the way, I certainly don’t put as much research into some of my blog postings as I could simply because many of those reading and responding with their juvenile attacks simply aren’t worth the time or effort.

“If I get a few corrected…big deal, the essence is pretty much the same and the intent honest.”

In other words, you really aren’t concerned about the truthfulness of what you relay, because you are right either way so the intent is honest.

From an earlier post of mine regarding Franklin. I am quoting moral philosopher Harry Frankfurt.

http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/articleB5BD6D4417AF444DBD8F9770AA729B26.asp

“But the fact about himself that the liar hides is that he is attempting to lead us away from a correct apprehension of reality; we are not to know that he wants us to believe something he supposes to be false. The fact about himself that the bullsh*tter hides, on the other hand, is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor conceal it.”

“See? See? Snopes said that the the status of the e-mail was multiple, not false! So it’s OK! I wasn’t lying!”

Bullsh*t. The fact is, you didn’t care because, as far as you are concerned, you are on the “right side”.

I notice Franklin is spamming the board with allegations from such unimpeachable sources as obamawtf and Bozo Bozell’s Judicial Watch.

Franklin is spinning like a bullsh*t covered top, covering the walls with his…well…bullsh*t.

Do you guys really think that you are doing “your side” any good with your behavior?

And now, some bullsh*t free content on actual issues.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_power_outage.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_inflated_health_savings.html

ISNA is NOT a harmless organization:

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/vote-on-policies-not-rumors/#comment-383384

ISNA is an unindicted co-conspirator, NOW, in a criminal case.

“ISNA has never condemned terrorist groups like HAMAS or Hizballah by name. More notably, in June of 1997, two and a half years after HAMAS was officially designated as a terrorist organization by the United States government (and long after common sense and reality indicated as such), top HAMAS official Mousa Abu Marzook thanked ISNA (and several other U.S.-based Islamist and “civil rights” organizations), writing that ISNA supported him through his “ordeal” – Marzook had been detained at JFK airport in 1995 and arrested and the Israelis were seeking his extradition. Marzook wrote that ISNA’s efforts had “consoled” him.

ISNA’s magazine, Islamic Horizons, is a hotbed of pro-jihadist literature, and has long championed HAMAS and HAMAS officials, notably Mr. Marzook himself. In the November/December 1995 issue, almost a full year after HAMAS was officially designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization, Islamic Horizons published an article titled, “Muslim Leader Hostage to Israeli Interests.” That leader was Marzook, characterized by ISNA as:

[a] member of the political wing of Hamas, disliked by the Zionist entity for its Islamic orientation, continues to be held hostage in the U.S. at the whims of his Zionist accusers.
And in the September/October 1997 issues, two and a half years after the designation of Hamas as a terrorist group, Islamic Horizons published an article describing Marzook as:

[j]ailed without trial in New York for-months for alleged ties to organizations seeking Palestinian rights.
The pro-Hamas rhetoric and apologia in Islamic Horizons is off the charts, yet ISNA continues to get a free pass as a “moderate” organization by much of the government and media, who have probably not bothered to pick up a copy of its magazine.”

Why am I not surprised?

Do you realize Franklin, that you are exactly the sort of nasty little rumor monger that the New Yorker was spoofing with its cover?

First of all, before we go further, let’s look at what happened.

Franklin relayed a spurious editorial (and it was an editorial, not an article) that basically tried to paint Barack Obama as a Muslim sympathizer, and that the Muslims for Obama site has unsavory associations (mainly because of the events calender that was on the site).

In the article, there was this allegation from author Joe Kaufman.

“The group (ISNA) currently uses its website to propagate violent hatred against Jews and Christians.”

I’ve responded that I have actually been to this site, several times, and that while I had found sentiments that I have objected to, I have seen nothing to the effect that the website propogates “violent hatred against Jews and Christians”.

Now, this allegation concerns not only ISNA’s agenda, open or hidden, it concerns the conduct of the ISNA’s website. So, I posted a link to ISNA’s website and issued an invitation for Franklin to find primary documentation that ISNA uses its website to propogate violent hatred. Primary documentation would, of course, could only come from ISNA’s website. If Kaufman’s allegation was true, then one would find, in fact, evidence of the propogation of violent hatred. One can find it on other websites, everything to Stormfront and other white supremicist sites to some Christian Reconstructionist sites (and yes folks, it would indeed slander the Christian Right to equate them with the Reconstructionist yahoos), and yes, even English language Islamist sites where it is not hard to find examples of advocating violent hatred. I have found nothing of the sort on ISNA’s website.

So what do we get?

Franklin: “ISNA is NOT a harmless organization:”

Followed by what was meant to be this link:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/357

Here is a Wikipedia article on the guy behind this website, Steve Emerson. I remember him from back in the early 1990’s. I also remember his statement about the Oklahoma City bombing, and the reaction it caused at the time. However, he has also done some good investigation work on jihadist extremism and its links to Islamist movements (which are far broader than simple jihadist terrorism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Emerson

One thing that I found that is untrue is this statement…

“ISNA has never condemned terrorist groups like HAMAS or Hizballah by name.”

From the ISNA website:

“ISNA remains consistent in its rejection of terrorism and violence. ISNA rejects all acts of terrorism, including those perpetrated by Hamas, Hizbullah and any other group that claims Islam as their inspiration.”

It should be noted, however, that this statement may have been written after Emerson wrote his.

The rest of Emerson’s editorial goes on about articles written in ISNA magazines in the 1990’s, and relationships between NAIT and figures involved in the political arm of Hamas.

Obvious points:

1) Emerson is not a primary source about the content of ISNA’s website.

2) The claim that ISNA uses its website to propogate “violent hatred of Jews and Christians” remains unsupported.

In other words, as usual, Franklin has been caught relaying unsupported bullsh*t. Unless, that is, he wants to accept my challenge, go to the primary source, and find evidence of ISNA promoting on its website “violent hatred of Jews and Christians”.

Like I’ve said before, I have my concerns about ISNA (it should be noted that there are a fair number of American MUSLIMS who have expressed concerns about ISNA). It seems, historically at least, that they represented more orthodox/conservative Muslims and that they have advocated for accomodations that, I believe, were sometimes less than reasonable. I would be interested in knowing more about possible ties to the North American Muslim Brotherhood:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/423.pdf

More about the North American Muslim Brotherhood here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-0409190261sep19,1,3910166.story

But, none of this is to say that ISNA is in any way a an Islamist, much less jihadist, organization. Ingrid Mattson and the forces that assisted her to occupy ISNA’s presidency seem to be moving in a truly moderate direction (ISNA now has expressed the wish to represent the full spectrum of American Muslims, including more liberal Muslims and those of the Sufi tradition).

ISNA’s side of the co-conspirator issue:

http://www.isna.net/articles/Press-Releases/ACLU-Press-Release.aspx

Note this statement:

“The lead prosecutor in the case told lawyers for the two organizations ‘that ISNA and NAIT were not subjects or targets in the HLF prosecution or in any other pending investigation.’ The prosecutor also acknowledged that the public labeling was simply a ‘legal tactic’ intended to allow the government to introduce hearsay evidence against HLF later at trial.”

Now, Franklin also engaged in one of his more classic bullsh*t shill posts. Let’s visit it (briefly, that’s all my stomach can stand).

“Besides, Obama is an Arab “wanna-be” even if his Arab heritage is lower than I think it is.”

1) I call bullsh*t (unjustified attribution of motive, not to mention just what is the point of this nonsense anyway?-unless it is the unsavory racist hint that Arabs are Muslims, and Muslims are scary).

2) Note the backtracking accompanying the totally unsupported claim that Obama is an Arab “wannabe” (as opposed to what Franklin claimed he was before, an Arab trying to pretend he is a black man). Not surprising, since Franklin’s original “source” said that he was still working on substantiating his claim, which appeared to be looking at names (and as I stated before, “Arabic names tend to be Islamic names that are commonly found from sub-Saharan Africa to Indonesia, also, another website had no trouble listing the names of Obama’s male paternal ancestors).

“Obama is very friendly to terrorists and terrorist groups. Obama hangs with people who are very hostile towards Jews and hostile towards Israel.”

1) I smell an attempt to drag Farrakhan into this.

“It is only natural, as all of us are trying to figure out who Obama is, that these questions of his past, and his heritage, would come up.

“Especially since Obama is such a proven liar, we have to figure out most of this stuff for ourselves.”

And of course, this is said without any apparent irony from Mr. “Say Anything” Franklin.

You are in no position to be calling people proven liars.

I wasn’t strong enough on this statement:

““Obama is very friendly to terrorists and terrorist groups.”
Bullsh*t.

“Obama hangs with people who are very hostile towards Jews and hostile towards Israel.”

Of course, he has also been seen “hanging with” Jews and pro-Israel activists. McCain was “hanging with” Pastor Hagee, who thought that the Holocaust was part of God’s plan to get Jews back to their homeland.

But then, that’s Franklin, use rumors and innuendo about associations with scary people like Muslims instead of focusing on issues and policy differences.

Shill.

Welcome to posting at WEBlog, Woodmanor. Jump in and let us hear what you’re thinking more often.

Most of us probably have our minds made up on our vote, don’t you think? I think you and I have chosen to vote for the best candidate for all Americans!

I know how many make fun of the “hope” and “change” Obama talks about. I’ve read the questions about his lack of experience. But I understand what you’re saying about the hope for the future. When I listen to Obama speak to Americans like we’re adults and he trusts us to understand, I feel motivated. I feel like the challenges ahead will have solutions and working together we can do it! Motivated Americans will make positive changes and improvements. The politics of fear won’t work this time. Our attitudes can make a difference and I think many Americans really need a big dose of hope for our future.