Comments on: U.S. learned torture techniques from Chinese

By: Influenza

Influenza — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:37:08 +0000

Influenza…

nice post about this…..

By: cubezero3

cubezero3 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:24:09 +0000

Hello, everybody. Just heared this this from Chinese world and searched it via google. One of the links directed me here.

A bit strange to find out how you fellows think about your army. Well, I don’t mean that’s an evil army. Not at all. Plus the army from every major country should be responsible for the task of protecting the civilians of its country. No wonder people from certain country would have a different view of their army from those of other countries.

At least during the period of WW2 days, american security agencies have set up co-operation with then ruling nationalist government. One of their estabilshmend was located in Chongqing, many then CCP members had to get through all “treatment” whihc was set to test their “physical endurance” until the moment they failed to keep their mouth sealed. I know this because it’s just so “famous” among many the likes, and as a result of that it’s now a tour site. Also, because my ancesters joined the CCP side, or as many american people may call Chinacom, and they along with their friends were acting, despite the fact many of them had already been put in these places.

All and all, over a million chinese soilders have been placed in Korea during 1950-1958. And many, though much less than the number of those positioned in Korea, was fighting as assisting services in Vietnam against GIs. Many of them brought back their personal account of how their Chinese, korean or vietnamnese comrades have been “well served” by american army. “Physical ordeal” is part of dishes, as cited from them.

As of many people who get information outside of American World, I find what they’ve done in Guam just ordinary as these people have done it cinsitantly, thouth still nasty. America is a great country, there is no doubt. And american people are also great which is well known here in China. But strangely, this country consists of people like most of you people replying here that care about people’s life, as well as those triger happiers eager to take high ground, conquer and torture “uncivilized ones”, and you both have the equal opportunity to perform your best in this system.

By: Maggotpunk

Maggotpunk — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:59:30 +0000

“Why does Maggotpunkass think that conservatives wouldn’t be happy an innocent man is released? Ah well, who knows… who cares?”

If you didn’t care then you wouldn’t have posed the question.

By: Substance22

Substance22 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:54:30 +0000

Why does Maggotpunkass think that conservatives wouldn’t be happy an innocent man is released? Ah well, who knows… who cares?

By: American

American — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:43:10 +0000

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By: Maggotpunk

Maggotpunk — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:40:57 +0000

Another innocent man freed from prison after serving 15 years of a life sentence.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/19th_Dallas_County_inmate_freed_by_0703.html

If the neo-cons had their way this guy would have been tortured and never given a trial much less DNA testing which proved his innocence.

By: Phantom

Phantom — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:08:49 +0000

He didn’t swim anywhere, a vietnamese citizen sway out with another guy paddling two bamboo poles over which they floated McCain to safety. McCain later gave the guy a ‘Senate decal’ worth a couple dollars, maybe.
He broke his arms ejecting, because he didn’t follow procedure.
We routinely withhold medical treatment to our al quida suspects, and I’m not talking about someone caught right after trying to bomb us.

By: RedWhiteNBlue

RedWhiteNBlue — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:43:56 +0000

There’s a stoy on the internets about Christopher Hitchens subjectinghimself to waterboarding and declaring in toruture.

And that was after just a couple of minutes!

People don’t seeem to realize that John McCain laseted more than TWO HOURS! before he said, “I’ll tell you anything, make propaganda films, anything, if you promise to get me to a doctor.

They guy had just survived a jet fighter crash! Doen’t it occur to you that maybe, had you just swum away from an airplane crash, you might want to see a doctor?!

And yet McCain survived TWO FULL HOURS of torture before he decided to confess to war crimes.

He deserves credit for that.

By: Pleefer

Pleefer — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:29:08 +0000

I’m a tough guy, with a small weiner and no love from a woman…I love Dubya Bush and torture. Sorry, I’ll call it “interrogation techniques”. Both Bush and his rightful and justified actions and policies have made America feared and powerful. If the whole world wants to take us on…we can deliver. If some French fag has something to say about our methods, well we have ways of making him or anyone else shut up or start talking. You’ll do what we say cause we’re the Effing United States of America Inc.
-signed, douchebag, tough-guy Neo-Con dumb ass.

By: lvs24neek8

lvs24neek8 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:03:41 +0000

Just my observation, in a totally logical world, there is a tendency to forget the ethical points of the discussion. It’s quickly becoming ridiculous, and downright mean and cold hearted. But perhaps, that exactly IS the objective? To become less of a human and more of a unfeeling fighting killing machine?

By: Nathaniel

Nathaniel — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:14:26 +0000

WS Clark,

In an argument, there is something called the loaded question. Do you deny such a thing exists?

Also, the ad hominem is indeed a logical fallacy. There is hardly ever a time in our discussions where calling someone an idiot, bigot, or homophobe has anything to do with the subject.

Either you want to be logical in the discussions here or you don’t.

Seems to me like you don’t.

By: Jed

Jed — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:36:51 +0000

Chrisfrom,
I agree, we’ve known the Chinese Communist torture methods for about 55 years. The difference is that we’ve only employed them for about 5. Before Bushco, we drew the line at torture. So what is it now that differentiates us from our enemies?

By: Rage

Rage — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:07:02 +0000

YomPaine:
A grimly amusing (and dead-on) observation.

By: Rage

Rage — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:02:55 +0000

Torture is, say, pouring water into your lungs until you wonder if you’re going to die (you might). Right? I guess not. Apparently, it’s not torture, we’re told, unless it’s “equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23373-2004Jun7.html

Are you offering anything remotely closer to sanity than that? You haven’t yet.

What is WRONG with you people!!??

By: Chrisfrommactown

Chrisfrommactown — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:42:27 +0000

Wow, old news sure travels fast. This is got to be the lamest attempt yet to smear the Administration and the military. The US Military High Command began very detailed studies of CHI COM interrogation and torture techniques almost as soon as the truce ending hostilities in Korea was signed. The reason was simple. The break rate of WWII prisoners, the rate of American GI’s who were prisoners of the Germans and Japanese who broke under torture and interrogation was less than 20%. Less than ten years later the rate was almost 100% for prisoners of the North Koreans and CHI COMS. A very alarmed US Military hoped to find a way to train and inoculate our troops against these methods so that they would not break and divulge secrets to the enemy. These torture and interrogation techniques have been known by the military for over fifty years. But the pigs in the media would have you believe that they just discovered them about the time club Gitmo opened.

By: Jed

Jed — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:38:20 +0000

Borg,
We used to try our enemies for war crimes when they tortured POW’s. Now our enemies know that we can’t do that any more, that our use of torture gets them a free pass.

By: BorgHunter

BorgHunter — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:18:17 +0000

The article merely states that the interrogation techniques for GITMO came from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used in Korea. It was neither against or for it, it just merely stated the facts. When it comes to war, there are things that our soldiers have had to go through. Our U.S. soldiers have been tortured not just mentally but physically. If you are really supporting our troops then you would understand that if you tell the enemy that our soldiers cannot capture them or use these interrogation techniques then you have set them up to fail. It is such a shame that our Congress has passed a law that allows the enemy to have rights to a better public defense that what our own soldiers are allowed. And now you want to tie their hands even more. You do not even understand that our soldiers have been tortured, killed and maimed just so that you can have the rights that you have. One of them, blogging. Your right to freedom of speech, to say what you feel and believe without the fear of you yourself being tortured or killed or even worse having it done to your family, which is what the Iraqis feared from Saddam.

By: Maggotpunk

Maggotpunk — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:46:16 +0000

Pro-war author Christopher Hitchens undergoes waterboarding. He concludes it’s torture. They videotaped the event so you can get an idea of the war crimes that America is doing on civilians.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/video/2008/hitchens_video200808

By: Phantom

Phantom — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:10:53 +0000

Trial by fire, could be improvised into interrogation by fire.

By: TomPaine

TomPaine — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:57:33 +0000

Maybe we should be glad that the government copied the Chinese it could a have been Nazi’s or the Medieval Catholics, Iron Maidens, thumbscrews and the pear would certainly be interesting

By: Phantom

Phantom — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:45:06 +0000

He never would’ve broken his arms, had he assumed the propper ejection position with arms down. Guess Songbird thought he had wings.

By: bth

bth — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:39:35 +0000

More successful interrogation – an admission of bombing civilians:

“Reds Say PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.” Saigon-UPI, June 4, 1969

By: WSClark

WSClark — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:37:33 +0000

“I have pointed out to you on several occasions how you load questions.”

No, I ask questions that you can’t or will not answer.

“When you do something that I see as not logical I will point it out in the future.”

Well, thank you Price, I’ll do the same for you.

“Everytime you call someone a name it is a logical fallacy as well.”

Really, so if I think that you are an idiot, how is that a logical fallacy?

“Will you stop doing that since you claim now to care so much about being logical in a discussion?”

Nope. If I think that you are a homophobic bigot, I will say so.

And the list goes on.

By: Jed

Jed — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:34:17 +0000

Nathan,
“I don’t think when others use “torture” on Americans to get false confessions actually believe the false confessions, they wanted those confessions to use for propaghanda.”

Given that we’ve used such confessions for propaganda, and anything else they might have said is “classified,” how do you know that we’ve actually gained useful information with those “interrogation techniques”, ie torture. I’m sure those random civilians that got swept up by our boys are relieved to know that they weren’t tortured at Abu Graib.

By: Phantom

Phantom — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:33:27 +0000

They bitch slapped him into corroborating?