An Eagle reader asked whether the natural uranium removed recently from Iraq was evidence that Saddam Hussein was, in fact, developing weapons of mass destruction. No, it wasn’t. The United States has long known about the uranium, and it wasn’t part of an active WMDs program. Rather, it was left over from the Tuwaitha nuclear complex near Baghdad, which was dismantled after the 1991 Gulf War. The material — which would have to be enriched before it could be used for a nuclear bomb or even a dirty bomb — had been kept since that time under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Ironically, after the U.S. invasion in 2003, Tuwaitha was left unguarded, and the barrels used to store the yellowcake were stolen and sold to local people, which created potential health risks.
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. . .turning the whole thing into another embarrassment for this administration. But what else is new?
How true, JMWalker…
The Israelis took out Hussein’s nuke producing plant, so we didn’t have to.
Centrifuge that. :D
Phillip,
What is up with correcting con distortions? Let them have their fantacies you mean person, you.
Libs lied, etc., etc.
You’ll have to be specific: are you talking about reality or Bushland? There’s a BIG difference between!
Evidence? We don’t need no stinking evidence!
We know where the WMDs are – we just know!
/saracsm off
But, the American Thinker says…
So true guys. I saw boxlicker tried that dodge yesterday, and after someone slapped him down, he admitted, “yeah, I knew that”.
So.. boxlicker KNOWS when he’s lying and he does it anyway?
What would Jesus say?
The Israelis took out Hussein’s nuke producing plant, so we didn’t have to.
Ah yes, that would be back when Saddam was our ally, now, wasn’t it? At least after Reagan took office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
How much was Saddam’s hand strengthened by the weapons we sold him, one wonders?
Good morning folks.
I can understand the wish to try to vindicate Dubya. That would be the homerun that the GOP would need.
The reality of the situation is that it wasn’t until after the Democrats took congress that the surge was even put into place.
For all of you who are happy about the surges’ success, as I am, the question is raised: Did it take the “thumpin” for Dubya to finally come to his senses and fire an idiot like Rusmfeld?
Moreover, did it take the “thumpin” before McCain’s ideas would even be put into place?
To say the surge is working is true. But to give credit to Dubya is just partisan.
If you want to save the Republican brand, show how that stupidity won’t happen again.
LLTVET, From my perspective too many have no idea what the “Republicans brand” is any longer. It was hijacked and drug through the neocon / religious wacko mud. Needs a good washing!
Spot on Linda.
The Eagle just contradicted itself.
How can this uranium be a “health risk” yet
NOT be useful as a “dirty bomb”?
That is absurd.
I couldn’t have said it better myself Linda.
And again,
You libs bring forth General Wesley Clark, to trash Bush, rather frequently.
General Wesley Clark was “absolutely certain” that Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
You libs also trot out the liar Joe Wilson. Wilson told the CIA, in his oral report, that Saddam was trying to obtain yellow cake uranium, from Niger.
You are completely and totally contradicting yourselves, time and time again.
And
Saddam could have taken complete control of this uranium, at any time.
The IAEA is toothless, it does not have the power to stop the average Wallmart Security Guard, let alone Saddam Hussein’s military or Secret Police.
Also, the IAEA is controlled by the United Nations.
Remember the corrupt “oil for food” program, which also operated in Iraq, under the United Nations?
And I suppose all those THOUSANDS of bodies found in trenches during Saddams regime was all Bush’s fault.
Linda and Vet you are just too funny. Trying to clean up our brand while your own just fell to single digit approval.
Everyone I see yet another ‘expert’ come out of the woodwork to tell us what we should have done in Iraq I am reminded of the Monday morning quarterbacks who after seeing the outcome of the game could have made a much better call for that last play. Nevermind that they all thought it was the right play at the time.
I have said before and will say again without taking up for Bush – he did what every prez will be asked to do – make a decision with the facts at hand. No second guessing once the decision is made.
And Linda for such a ‘good, non-discriminating-non judgemental-ledgend in her own mind person could you manage to look past the end of your nose and realize that there are many people who disagree violently with you that are not neocon/religious wackos?
Yellow cake is basically a slightly refined mineral ore. Even lead ore can be a health risk, but not useful as a dirty bomb….
Old news. What, from 2005? 2004?
Why is the media buzzing over this now?
He has the “everyone was fooled” defense along with the “don’t monday morning quarterback me” defense regarding uranium.
But with regard to the goat screw way that this war was waged, against the opinions of of Tommy Franks along with several others, there is no “everyone fooled” or “quarterback” defense. Dubya was just being stubborn and now his party is tarnished.
Vet I won’t even argue that point with you. History will write the last chapter. It will be interesting to see how it comes out.
I thought about responding to Linda’s post, but she would probably just ignore me anyway.
Even if she did answer it would be something about how it is just her opinion and an opinion can’t be wrong, who am I to question hers….
Yada, yada, yada, yada…
now his party is tarnished
It started with Reagan and the religious right. I liked Reagan, but that, I believe, is when the party started in the wrong direction.
This is great! The right spins this way, then that way, then back again, getting themselves more and more dizzy.
The argument is basically “he coulda, he mighta, if, if, but, but!”
Classic.
Oh, yeah, and…………… the old standby…….
“Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton!!!”
WS I didn’t bring up Reagan but the left did. The only possible reply was Clinton.
Nathan I have noticed also that Linda never responds when you call her on her posts and stupidity. In her leftist world that means she ‘wins’. Gotta go out in the rain and leave this good discussion.
DavidB
Ok, first, you libs trash Bush for not “guarding” the yellow cake, immediately, due to its dangerous health and security risks.
Our military was trying to win a war, and in the process, decided that this area was not a priority.
That was probably a mistake, and liberals jumped all over Bush for not taking this uranium into account, when battle plans were made.
We also heard how horrible it was going to be, for all the Iraq civilians who came in contact with these used uranium barrels.
Then you downgrade that risk?
If it can hurt Bush, bring it up and exagerate it!
If it can help Bush, down play it!
“The only possible reply was Clinton.”
Only in the con world.
“Nathan I have noticed also that Linda never responds when you”
Linda stated sometime ago that she will no longer respond to Nathaniel Price.
History has already written that the original strategy didn’t work. You can blow smoke all you want.
The last chapter will probably be a success if things continue like they have.
Once again I say, it’s fine to say the surge is a success. McCain, Hamilton, Baker, and others made a believer out of me. But don’t think for one second that this president gets a lick of credit for it. All he did was get out of the way, FINALLY.
WS Clark,
One could argue, that she never really spent much time actually responding to my arguments or anyones arguments…well, ever.
It has always been the opinion can never be wrong mantra from her.
Nathan, there are posters I ignore. Doesn’t everyone ignore some, or maybe SHOULD ignore would be another way of Asking it?
The oft-used phrase you mention is: all opinions are as good and as useless as any other.
We’ve discussed our “take” on my oft-used phrase. Neither has convinced the other so I see no need to continue that discussion. I see this disagreement as an example of the validity of that phrase. Of course, you just see it as I’m wrong. So, we each have our opinion — as good and as useless as the other.
I have for awhile ignored you (for the most part, and got in trouble when I didn’t). But I think you’re doing a better job as you promised. I have actually enjoyed reading your posts. You’ve brought good information and good insight to several topics. Thank you. If I misjudged and should have continued ignoring you instead of making this post, I will figure that out and make necessary adjustments.
When I ignore, it’s for me. It’s because I don’t see how arguing will ever be useful. Some posts and some posters I should ignore. I am an adult and want to behave responsibly. Sometimes I’m more successful than other times. But I always try. And, controlling my need for a rebuttal is behaving like a responsible adult.
Another thing I say often and believe completely — we each tell a lot about who we are by what we post.
America has NEVER been involved in a single war in which huge mistakes were not made.
Mistakes are a part of every war.
Well, I see while I was typing there was a discussion about me. Back to those adjustments I mentioned. I much prefer discussing the news, our opinions of that news, what we think and feel, feel and hope or what solutions we see. But it is a public board so each poster gets to say what they choose. And each of us tells a lot about who we are by what we post.
Linda,
The very discussion on opinions between us proves my point.
I never meant to be rude by saying you were wrong, it is just a simple fact. When two opposing views are expressed, both can’t be right.
Calling something your opinion doesn’t make it immune from being right or wrong.
“One could argue, that she never really spent much time actually responding to my arguments or anyones arguments…well, ever.”
And that would be her choice.
Linda,
I am not being mean, but it seems like you enjoy giving your opinion, but don’t like anyone questioning it.
When you say things like this:
“It was hijacked and drug through the neocon / religious wacko mud. Needs a good washing!”
How do you expect others to respond? I don’t agree with the statement, so of course I would challenge it.
Mistakes Franklin? A prison abuse scandal is a mistake. Disregarding dozens of pentagon brass who wanted Rumsfeld fired is not a mistake. It was just being stubborn.
The fact is that Saddam had a stockpile of raw materials and tools to start a program to develop nuclear weapons. He defied the world, interferred with inspections and broke agreements for over a decade before GWB was compelled to act. The dismisal by the left’s responsing “yeah, yeah, we knew that a long time ago, therefore this is old news” is a cowardly attempt to dismiss the truth that Saddam did have it and he was a threat. The claim that it was compromised when barrels used to store the yellowcake were stolen and sold to local people was dismissed by the IAEA that all the barrels were accounted for and removed. The yellowcake wasn’t the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha. Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex. The lead-enclosed irradiation units,contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon. This stuff is not in the hands of terrorists, thanks to President Bush’s actions.
Oh no, of course not. 550 Tons of Yellow Cake is very common.
I have a few tons in my compost pile in my back yard.
No evidence of WMD’s at all.
Nathaniel:
I will admit that Linda’s words had teeth in them. But Republicans won’t even admit that their own party has been perverted. Two years ago maybe, but now, after two years, the Republican Party is good again?
If that were true, then why would Barr be polling higher than the last 6 libertarian’s combined?
Your party needs to change Nathaniel. It’s not conservative anymore. It pandered too much to the religious right. It needs to stop.
oops, last 5 libertarian’s. Typo, my mistake.
LLTVET,
The pandering to the religious right has nothing to do with why the Republican Party needs to change.
That is like saying the Democrats need to stop pandering to the religious left.
You might as well chop your left leg off and try to run a marathon.
The statement it absurd.
Try explaining to me how pandering to the religious right is what is hurting the Republican party.
You could start by explaining to me what the “religious right” is.
OK, I will start with the Religious Right. Here are some amalgms of the Religious Right:
1. Mike Huckabee: A populist candidate who hinted about changing the constitution so that it read more like the Bible.
2. George Bush: Who took taxpayer dollars to give to churches during the Faith Based Initiative.
3. Ron Parsley: His foreign policy ideas are simply frightening.
4. John Hagee: Same as number 3.
These people have affected Budget, Foreign Policy and even tax law.
I just love it when “Nathaniel” get all Lenny-from-Grapes-of-Wrath with wide-eyed faux naivete and posts something like –
“…start by explaining to me what the “religious right” is.”
When you’re able to understand it, “Nathaniel.”
In the meantime, we’ll tell you about the rabbits.
What, exactly, on a policy by policy analysis, does the “Religious Right” want, that could possible cause problems for Republicans?
The vast majority of Americans are against same sex marriage.
The majority of Americans are against abortion on demand. (Obama is tacking RIGHT on this one, saying that “emotional distress” is not an excuse for a late term abortion.)
The majority of Americans supports the current Pledge of Allegiance.
Name a POLICY POSITION on which the “Religious Right” is hurting Republicans, would you please?
“I am not being mean, but it seems like you enjoy giving your opinion, but don’t like anyone questioning it,” Nathaniel says.
——
I didn’t take it as mean. I don’t mind anyone and everyone questioning my opinions. I don’t feel the need to argue them. They’re mine. I usually am clear the first time I state an opinion so don’t feel the need to reword it. If I wasn’t clear and someone asks for clarification I provide it. For the most part I state my opinion and expect others to state theirs. I don’t expect my opinions or what I think to have any affect on another. I’m participating in a discussion board like everyone else. Sometimes when it’s least expected a discussion actually breaks out! Not often enough, but I have high hopes. I’m not stupid no matter how often I’m accused of it. And, when a poster feels the need to call another a name, doesn’t that tell more about that individual than it does about the one being denigrated?
So now I’ve spent waaaaay more time than I want talking about me. I want to talk about ideas. I want to read about ideas. I’m just a person like everyone else, and in the words of the late Kurt Vonnegut, “we’re here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is.”
[concerning the republican party]
It’s not conservative anymore. It pandered too much to the religious right.
-Vet
Vet doesn’t know the meaning of “conservative” and “right” or else he would not have contradicted himself in the above sentence.
Furthermore, why is a democrat advising republicans about how their party needs to change?
That’s like telling your opponent which moves to make in order to enable your opponent to “win”!
For the Record:
Capn is George.
Chas is Lenny.
I hesitate to go to the dueling polls, but paulie, 55-45 is hardly a VAST majority regarding same sex marriage.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Relationships/same_sex_marriage_poll_040121.html
And a majority are opposed to amending the US constitution to ban same sex marriage.
What do you WANT your poll to say?
Just Google until you find one to support your view.
And remember, 10000 Frenchmen can’t be wrong.
Paulie, ya really gotta stop going to freeperville and townhall to get your information on what Americans approve of and what they dont.
Your out of your mind on the approval of keeping abortion legal.
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
Heheheheheheh. Neocons and religious wingnuts never let the facts get in the way of their opinions.
I see how well that worked for bonbon huy….
“The United States on Tuesday rejected a demand from Iraq for a specific date for pullout of US-led foreign troops from the country, saying any withdrawal will be based on conditions on the ground.
“The US government and the government of Iraq are in agreement that we, the US government, we want to withdraw, we will withdraw. However, that decision will be conditions-based,” State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos said. ”
Damn. Get out. Start the withdawal process now!
I’m not opposed to Iran trying to protect itself. Iran is surrounded by countries that have nuclear weapons. Is there a reason why they can’t have one?
Iran is not going to attack the United States with a nuclear weapon ever. Their country would be decimated and blown back into the middle ages. Iran seeking a nuclear weapon is for protection from the crazy countries around them. Isreal for one.
I think it is funny how Isreal is made to look helpless and not become a truly sovereign nation. It must be degrading to have an empire builder like the United States fighting their holy wars for them.
Franklin
Posted July 8, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
What, exactly, on a policy by policy analysis, does the “Religious Right” want, that could possible cause problems for Republicans?
The vast majority of Americans are against same sex marriage.
The majority of Americans are against abortion on demand. (Obama is tacking RIGHT on this one, saying that “emotional distress” is not an excuse for a late term abortion.)
The majority of Americans supports the current Pledge of Allegiance.
Name a POLICY POSITION on which the “Religious Right” is hurting Republicans, would you please?
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That may be your problem Franklin. You think that this country is a democracy where majority rules. The United States is a Republic. A Republic is ran by the law of the land. The United States Constitution is that law. Please to tell me where in the Constitution it gives the Federal Government the authority to outlaw Marriage? It doesn’t. That power is vested to the states as per the tenth amendment. If a state chooses to outlaw same-sex marriage, I’m OK with that. If a state chooses to allow same-sex marriage, I’m OK with that too.
It is forbidden for the Federal Government to create any law on the matter.
RFL, The religious right is a more polite way of saying what Linda called them. I agree with her term, but I was being polite. If you want me to stop being polite, accuse me of a contradiction.
I am a libertarian. One of the people who liked the brand of Republican that Goldwater was. A growing number that would suffer through a democrat easier than the idiot we have now.
You may stand corrected now.
“And I suppose all those THOUSANDS of bodies found in trenches during Saddams regime was all Bush’s fault.”
If by bush you mean bush 1 then you are correct. Bush 1 stood by while Saddam executed all involved in the uprising that bush 1 helped spark.
Would Malaki telling America “Mission Accomplished, get the hell out” help or hurt McCain?
It won’t be long, Iraq has some serious fence mending they need to do with Iran.
Franklin
Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink
America has NEVER been involved in a single war in which huge mistakes were not made.
Mistakes are a part of every war.
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There you go again with misinformed comments. This is not a war, it is an act of aggrssion. An occupation if you will. We attacked first. Iraq never attacked the United States and was never a threat to. There was never a declaration of war from we the people. Just a bunch of propaganda, and an unconstitutional passing of power to the executive branch.
george
Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink
And I suppose all those THOUSANDS of bodies found in trenches during Saddams regime was all Bush’s fault.
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How about the 50,000 Iraqi civilians that we killed with our sanctions that we put on their country? What about all those starving, innocent Iraqi’s?
How dare you post such unsensitive and sickening comments like this. It is immoral. No ones life is garbage, no matter how different they are from you.
“Iran is not going to attack the United States with a nuclear weapon ever.”
Reason # 5,524 why the American people will not let the democrats into the White House.
“objectivist” –TRY to be OBJECTIVE, would you?
The claim was made, on this thread, that the “religious right” was hurting the Republican Party as far as opinion polls are concerned.
I will be the FIRST to say that “Democracy is two lions and a lamb voting on dinner” — pure democracy tends to be mob rule and brutal.
However, my point stands: there aren’t any true policy postions, pushed by the “religous right” that are hurting the Republican Party on a national basis.
(By the way, I will admit that the evolution vs creation issue has hurt the Republicans, at the polls, but even there, the majority is sympathetic to the “right wing” view)
Again, try to be “objective” would you? I did not ever make a Constitutional argument, I made an argument concerning popularity of overall views.
fleettwood
Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
“Iran is not going to attack the United States with a nuclear weapon ever.”
Reason # 5,524 why the American people will not let the democrats into the White House.
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Thanks for the laugh. It’s good to see those who still think that there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats.
Please enlighten me with your vast knowledge of the situation. What are your thoughts on H.J. Resolution 362? It is a virtual act of war. Where do we get the moral authority? Where do we get the Constitutional authority? Where do we get the International legality for this? We will shut down Iran with these sanctions. It will surely put the lives of thousands of innocent Iranians in jeopardy.
Please go do your research to give me a proper response. At least you will have done your own due dilligence even if I disagree with your response. Your brain will be working in any case. Please don’t get lazy and allow the media, or news to speak for you. You are just repeating the sentiments and rehashing tired talking points. You may surprise yourself and learn something new.
Objectivist, you are nuts.
There was a United Nations Resolution, actually SEVERAL UN Resolutions, which gave member states the right to act.
It is part of the UN Charter that each nation retains the ability to defend itself, and to enforce UN Resolutions.
It is a part of the final Resolutions, prior to the invasion, that each member state can enforce the Resolution on its own.
Also, Congress DID authorize the current invasion of Iraq.
Furthermore, Iraq was violating a cease fire agreement, on a regular basis. The consequences of violating a treaty, cease fire, or accord is, exactly what has happened: WAR!
Futhermore, Three United States Presidents were in a legal state of War with Iraq.
The Veterans Administration says that Bill Clinton era veterans served during WAR TIME due to the original Congressional Declaration of War after Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Get your facts straight!
Franklin
Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
“objectivist” –TRY to be OBJECTIVE, would you?
The claim was made, on this thread, that the “religious right” was hurting the Republican Party as far as opinion polls are concerned.
I will be the FIRST to say that “Democracy is two lions and a lamb voting on dinner” — pure democracy tends to be mob rule and brutal.
However, my point stands: there aren’t any true policy postions, pushed by the “religous right” that are hurting the Republican Party on a national basis.
(By the way, I will admit that the evolution vs creation issue has hurt the Republicans, at the polls, but even there, the majority is sympathetic to the “right wing” view)
Again, try to be “objective” would you? I did not ever make a Constitutional argument, I made an argument concerning popularity of overall views.
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I apologize for misunderstanding your post. Peoples views are inconsequential in a Republic. Policy should never be driven by anything other than constitutional legality. The fact that Americans have allowed this thinking to never enter their thought process is disturbing on the face of it.
The Republicans and Democrats are doing a fine job of hurting themselves without the influence of a group. I hate looking at people in groups because collectivism is wrong and ugly, but I also live in the real world. I’ve been preaching that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. The real polocies that matter are never talked about and virtually agreed upon by both parties.
Good talking to you Franklin.
I meant policies. Sorry.
I can appreciate you desire to separate policy and rhetoric Franklin.
I suppose your point is about policy. There is only one policy that hurt the GOP. The faith based initiative that has helped fracture the Libertarians (such as myself) and the evangelicals. The reality is that Libertarians are more popular now because of said fracture.
Will that fracture hurt the GOP? That remains to be seen. But whether or not it hurts the GOP is irrelevant. The GOP is losing one side of it’s conservative triangle, fiscal discipline and reigning in Government spending.
This rebate check is straight from the textbooks of John Maynerd Keynes. Milton Friedman would be spinning in his grave. This is Freshman level economics.
Objectivist, you are nuts.
There was a United Nations Resolution, actually SEVERAL UN Resolutions, which gave member states the right to act.
It is part of the UN Charter that each nation retains the ability to defend itself, and to enforce UN Resolutions.
It is a part of the final Resolutions, prior to the invasion, that each member state can enforce the Resolution on its own.
Also, Congress DID authorize the current invasion of Iraq.
Furthermore, Iraq was violating a cease fire agreement, on a regular basis. The consequences of violating a treaty, cease fire, or accord is, exactly what has happened: WAR!
Futhermore, Three United States Presidents were in a legal state of War with Iraq.
The Veterans Administration says that Bill Clinton era veterans served during WAR TIME due to the original Congressional Declaration of War after Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Get your facts straight!
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The UN is not my government. It has no authority to declare anything on my behalf.
I find it disturbing that you think some world body has the right to declare anything on my behalf.
Go read the constitution. My facts are right in line with the law of this country. No declaration of war was given. Passing that power to the executive branch is illegal. Congress authorizing the passing of that power is illegal. How do you not see that? It is right there in the constitution.
Please show me how what we’ve done is constitutional.
Pall,
“How can this uranium be a “health risk” yet
NOT be useful as a “dirty bomb”?
That is absurd.”
Yellowcake uranium is only mildly radioactive. Exposure to yellowcake is not substantially greater than the exposure to radon gas in your cellar. While exposure to any radioactive source can be hazardous over decades, it would not make an efficient dirty bomb. I know potters who use yellowcake uranium in their glazes for a bright yellow colorant. Any yellow pottery you have in your house probably contains it.
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I’m in the same box LLT. I was pro Bush, pro war until I really started looking at things realistically. Once I started to research issues on my own instead of just listening and regurgitating what the talking heads said, I started to realize how far left the GOP had become.
Then along came the Good Dr. Once I looked up his voting record and his stance on issues important to me, I realized not that I had left the GOP, but that they had left me. I won’t claim to be 100% Libertarian, but that party most aligns with my stance on issues.
Not a huge Bob Barr fan, but he gets my vote come November. Might even get some of my green backs as well.
“due to the original Congressional Declaration of War after Saddam invaded Kuwait.”
The Congress of the United States has not declared war since December 8, 1941.
WSC – you don’t expect something inconvenient like FACTS would deter Paul do you?
Farmgirl
Why do you wish to turn this thread into an abortion thread? Doesn’t the Eagle give you more than enough opportunity to express yourself, on that topic?
However, since you DID bring it up —
Go back and look at the poll that you just posted, in your link.
I find little of any surprise in that poll.
Most people do not vote based on the abortion issue alone. Just a tip: MOST of those who do vote “single issue” on abortion, VOTE PROLIFE!
And, if the prolife issue is such a loser at election time, why on Earth did Nancy Pelosi go out of her way to recruit prolife Democrats for Congress, 2 years ago?
Now back to your poll. Add the people who think abortion should “Never” be legal to the people who think that there should be some restrictions.
Now, you can see a clear legislative pro-life majority, since the “status quo” clearly has few restrictions.
In other words, current law is to the left of public opinion. This would favor the RIGHT, would it not?
Try these two poll questions, at the same time:
1.) Should a rape victim with cervical cancer be allowed to have an abortion to save her life?
2.) Should a 14 year old girl be allowed to have a late term abortion, at taxpayer expense, without the knowledge or consent of her parents?
The answers will be different, don’t you think?
Objectivist
“A Treaty is the Law of the Land”
I am not at all thrilled with the United Nations.
However, we are a member due to a TREATY!
International Treaties TRUMP the Constitution.
This is exactly why I do not want any “Global Warming Treaty”
Jed
Ok, why was George W. Bush attacked so harshly, then, for not making seizure of the “yellow cake” a top priority?
Either the stuff is dangerous, or it is not dangerous.
You folks cant seem to make up your minds.
WS
Are you one of those “magic words” types that thinks Congress has to say specific things in order to authorize a war?
The Veterans Administration is the authority, as far as formal Declaration of War is concerned.
The VA says that the entire Iraq conflict, under 3 different Presidents, was Congressionally Authorized.
“1.) Should a rape victim with cervical cancer be allowed to have an abortion to save her life?
2.) Should a 14 year old girl be allowed to have a late term abortion, at taxpayer expense, without the knowledge or consent of her parents?
The answers will be different, don’t you think?”
Not for anyone without nose trouble.
Back to the matter at hand…
It is a VERY long way from yellow cake uranium to mushroom clouds over an American city or whatever such spew bush used to sell his misadventure.
You are not going to win this argument Franklin, in fact, I’m surprised that you went there. The fact that you think a world governing body should have authority over a sovereign nation tells me that you have no respect for those who died to give us this Republic. Be friends with countries, talk to countries, trade with countries, but under no circumstances do not create entangling alliances. These were the words of the very men who fought and died to give us the United States.
That treaty is garbage and you know it. A world governing body that has the authority to tell other countries how they should live. That is getting into some dangerous territory. The kind of territory that creates an uprising. An uprising that would convince people to fly planes into buildings.
Your one world government talk is mind boggling. Have you really been convinced that this is right? Who gives the UN the moral authority to tell other countries how to live? It is a joke and I can’t believe that you’d argue otherwise. Way to show respect for this country. Is it really a wonder that we have screwed up this Republic? People have become apathetic, and look what happens.
Look deep within yourself Franklin. You know that what I’m telling you is right. We can argue points on here all day long, but when it comes to playing with individual lives and unchecked power, you ought to know better.
I apologize Franklin. I know that you have respect for those who died for this country, but sometimes you need to make harsh points to get the message across. Do you see how it is disrespectful to support philosophies that the country you live in shed blood to shun.
Franklin
Posted July 8, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
WS
Are you one of those “magic words” types that thinks Congress has to say specific things in order to authorize a war?
The Veterans Administration is the authority, as far as formal Declaration of War is concerned.
The VA says that the entire Iraq conflict, under 3 different Presidents, was Congressionally Authorized.
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Here is how a Republic works. We the people tell our congressman whether or not to support a declaration of war. If we are never asked, and then we go to war, we have no say in the matter. All consequences of said war are directly felt by We the people, but we had nothing to do with it.
How can you support this? Do you just not care what our leaders do? Can we just go around the world and do what we want because we have the power to? I will ask again, where do we get the moral authority to go around the world and tell other countries what to do? God did not choose America as his messianic force to be a policeman for the rest of the world.
How can you argue this? Do you know I’m right, but you just like arguing for the sake of it? I’m OK with that, but at least come out and say it. It is evil to think otherwise. You are not better than any other person in this world. We are all individuals. We all have rights. We are all God’s children. Have some respect for people.
The Veterans Administration is the authority, as far as formal Declaration of War is concerned.
For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says “Congress shall have power to … declare War;”
Paul – better take Civics101.
OOPS! I forgot! Under Bush the United States Constitution is just a worthless piece of paper!
Franklin,
Rather than argue more, I think that your mind may be opened up enough to take in some good information.
Go read these two books:
“The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History”
and
“The Politically Incorrect Guide to the US Constitution”
They are easy reads and really get your brain working in a strong way. Trust me Franklin. It is better on the other side of the street.
Pall,
I didn’t attack Bush for not seizing the yellowcake; there have been so many more serious reasons to attack him.
Yellowcake is of course dangerous AFTER it has been enriched to high concentration of U-235, but refining is a highly technical, extremely expensive and nearly impossible to conceal procedure that isn’t likely to happen in Iraq. It isn’t even likely that Al Qaida could do it.
Ceramics of Mass Destruction!
Thanks for the info that Uranium Oxide is used in ceramics and glazes.. I did not know that!
I thought this was interesting and I thought I’d share…
http://www.handspiral.com/Uranium.htm
Don’t we love to learn new things!!
I don’t recall the particular manufacturer that carried uranium orange glazed pottery, Frankhoma comes to mind, but I think that is not correct.
Used to be a trademark of the Southwest, that bright orange glazed pottery that would line the highway tourist travel ways and curio stores.
That is, until they found out that long term health problems arose through the use of uranium coated and glazed pottery was not good to imbibe beverages and place your fajitas on for consumption.
I guess Americans were having their yellow”cake” and eating it too. :)
“Are you one of those “magic words” types that thinks”
Paulie the Con, visit the Obama thread – I totally deconstructed your “Obama is 44% Arab” claim.
Hey, and catch this, Rossell, I used actual facts and links to prove my point.
Sucks to be you.
Iran seeking a nuclear weapon is for protection from the crazy countries around them. Isreal for one.
The same could be said for Iraq, pre-invasion.
Either all the kids on the playground get the toy or nobody does.
I don’t recall the particular manufacturer that carried uranium orange glazed pottery, Frankhoma comes to mind, but I think that is not correct.
Used to be a trademark of the Southwest, that bright orange glazed pottery that would line the highway tourist travel ways and curio stores.
That is, until they found out that long term health problems arose through the use of uranium coated and glazed pottery was not good to imbibe beverages and place your fajitas on for consumption.
I guess Americans were having their yellow”cake” and eating it too. :)
Of course, logically thinking, why would two of the largest oil reserve countries in the world (Iraq and Iran) want to build a nuclear production plant?
Things that make you go hmmm.
Remember the famous Aluminum Tubes confiscated on their way to Iraq that Colin Powell told us were for uranium processing centrifuges that were actually for conventional 81-mm rocket engines….
Interestingly: “In September 2006, David Corn of The Nation reported that Valerie Plame was involved in CIA work to determine the use of aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq. According to Corn, one of her actions was a trip to Jordan “to work with Jordanian intelligence officials who had intercepted a shipment of aluminum tubes heading to Iraq that CIA analysts were claiming–wrongly–were for a nuclear weapons program. (The analysts rolled over the government’s top nuclear experts, who had concluded the tubes were not destined for a nuclear program.)”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_aluminum_tubes
Here is an article about religious wackos. Not good loving kind intelligent religious people, but wackos. I see a distinct difference between the two.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christine-wicker/full-quiver-theology_b_111239.html
No Linda,
It was an article about someone who is purposefully distorting what others believe and twisting their words to make them look wacko.
And good liberals like youserlf soak it up hook line and sinker.
Most of the things discussed in the article are not the way they were presented.
I didn’t agree with some of the stuff about having to have children… but that doesn’t make them religious wackos.
As usual, you have someone with obviously little understanding about biblical principles and doctrine who is already predisposed to distort things to make a partisan political point trying to represent those doctrines in a completely untruthful way.
Nothing new here. There are several liberals on this forum who have been doing just that since day one and continue to do so.
That’s nice lindainks, but what does that have to do with yellowcake or Iraq?
Thank You Linda. Now here is an article about gun-toting rednecks. Not responsible gun owners who know the appropriate places to carry their guns. I see a distinct difference between those two as well.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/national-rifle-association-criticizes-walt-disney-world-for-gun-ban-1014680.php
Oh, I get it now, it’s about progressive Libs hijacking a thread for their own agenda.
Iran/Iraq nuclear power. Point taken Regular.
Iran/Iraq nuclear power. Point taken Regular.
Must be Obama Headquarters again.
regular – maybe they realize like many of us do that petroleum is more valuable as a feedstock for chemicals and liquid fuels than it is as a fuel to generate electricity.
“LLTVET” 00
Uh-oh.
The NRA is in trouble now!
They’ve butted up against Disney lawyers! NOBODY beats Disney lawyers! They are the most treacherous, most vile, scum-sucking, heartless, slime-riddled, ruthless, $2,000-suit-wearing smegma-licking subspecies that ever walked the planet.
If the NRA goes up against Disney lawyers, Mickey Mouse will confiscate everyone’s guns and the NRA will be reduced to promoting the right to keep and bear rocks.
I love it how they consider Disney to be “arrogant”
I like the “smega-licking” part Monkey. Do you mind if I plagiarize that?
Nah, “Regular” –
Actually I think this thread jumped the shark about the third time you posted your lame …have your yellow cake and eat it…” joke the third time.
Complete with smiley (Yuo thoughts woo was so cwever didn’tcha, boy? Didn’tcha?).
“LLTVET” says –
“I like the “smega-licking” part Monkey. Do you mind if I plagiarize that?”
Yeah, I guess.
Unless I sell it to Disney.
Will they take my guns?
Might take your gun and force you to reproduce at gunpoint. If you’re white enough and worship the right way. What would Hitler say?
Looks like Malaki and bush are both playing politics with withdrswl, clarification to terms is no withdrawl until Iraq military has control in all 18 provinces and they’ve been handed over.
Fits more with McCains 100 yr. war.
If there was all this yellowcake on the ground before the invasion why didn’t Saddam just take it, instead of trying to import the stuff from Nigeria? Where we bamboozled on this report? Maybe Canada will enrich the stuff and make nulcear weapons. I was astounded to read somewhere that they produced a nuclear weapon in the 50’s but disarmed because it violated their belief in being a non-nuclear state. Mebbe GW and the like are looking for a reason to invade! It’s closer than Iran…..
“LLTVET” asks –
“Will [Disney lawyers] take my guns?”
Only if your guns are important to you.
Disney lawyers will take anything from you as long as it hurts you.
Disney lawyers only go after what is valuable to their foes. They’ll steal your dreams, they’ll steal your reputation, they’ll steal your career, they’ll steal your will to live. If you love your schnauzer, they’ll steal your dog and invite you over for Korean barbecue.
When Disneyland in Anaheim first opened in the 50s, some poor misguided souls thought that babes in arms and toddlers might get a break on the ticket price. Disney lawyers posted signs that said, “Children under three are admitted to the park when accompanied by cash.”
I used to work in the ad business and got to know some of the attorneys for McDonald’s. They’re a pretty hard-assed bunch in their own right. (I met them when they shut down a little mom & pop diner in northeast Wichita named after mom & pop: “Mick and Dee’s.” The McDonald’s lawyers ruined Mick and Dee for infringing on common African American slang for “McDonald’s.”
But what goes around comes around. Several years later, McDonald’s started using the “Mickey Dee’s” terminology in their ads until… until… Disney lawyers attacked and won a multi-million dollar settlement against McDonald’s for “infringing” on their intellectual property, to wit, “Mickey.”
True story.
They probably would have gone after Mantle, Toni Basil, and Gorbachev had they wanted to.
Disney lawyers are like a less warm and cuddly gestapo.
If I were a bushie I’d venture the guess that while the Iaea had their eyes on the 500 tons on the ground, Iraq was going to slip in another 500 tons unbeknownst to the inspectors and intelligence.
I’d probably even believe it!
“Most people do not vote based on the abortion issue alone. Just a tip: MOST of those who do vote “single issue” on abortion, VOTE PROLIFE!”
Take note y’all, Paulie just stated a fact. Here’s another to go with it, if the above were not true, Tiahrt would be another unemployed Boeing manager.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 8, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
Nah, “Regular” –
Actually I think this thread jumped the shark about the third time you posted your lame …have your yellow cake and eat it…” joke the third time.
Complete with smiley (Yuo thoughts woo was so cwever didn’tcha, boy? Didn’tcha?).
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At least it was and my accompanying text was on topic.
If you libs want to play destroy the topic.
I can oblige you and make every thing posted a waste a time.
Wanna go there?
Sure, I’ll “go there” McLiar.
You do anyway middle school science teacher. I bet you don’t tolerate chaos in your class room.
Well maybe you do, it’s why you teach middle school.
A real science major would have furthered himself.
How else does a welfare sucking liar think I should have “furthered myself”?
I hold multiple advanced degrees and National Board Certification plus positions of leadership at the local and state level. I’ve presented and more than a few national conferences as well.
What are you getting at McLiar? Are you proposing that middle school teachers are somehow “inferior” to others?
Isn’t about time to go cash that welfare check and buy some MD 20-20?
Apophis
Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink
How else does a welfare sucking liar think I should have “furthered myself”?
I hold multiple advanced degrees and National Board Certification plus positions of leadership at the local and state level. I’ve presented and more than a few national conferences as well.
What are you getting at McLiar? Are you proposing that middle school teachers are somehow “inferior” to others?
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No, just you are inferior. A real teacher would never act like you.
They have some modicum of manners and behave out in public.
“I can oblige you and make every thing posted a waste a time.”
Everything you post IS a waste of time, along with the posts of Grabnix, the Prices, American and his alter-ego American Way as well as Box Head.
So, what’s your point?
Now, a liar is determining the Professional standards of educators………..what a joke!
I think the point is that some can post what they choose where they choose, but others cannot. Freedom, ya know.
Or, could be the “He hit me first!” reasoning we used as children.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 7:57 pm
“They have some modicum of manners and behave out in public.”
And Industrial Hygiene ENGINEERS are not supposed to lie about climate science, lie about the Sierra Club, add false, fictional paragraphs to copy/pastes, etc.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:27 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 7:57 pm
“They have some modicum of manners and behave out in public.”
And Industrial Hygiene ENGINEERS are not supposed to lie about climate science, lie about the Sierra Club, add false, fictional paragraphs to copy/pastes, etc.
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The only one that says I’m lying is you cosmos.
You appear to be a minority of 1 because you can’t defend your false alarmist science.
Linda — The article you linked about So. Baptists, and child bearing(not bearing) reminds me of something I posted here recently…
Some of you might recall that I posted that the agenda of the Anti-Gay Marriage movement is far deeper than just banning GAY Marriage… but that the bottom line of their agenda is to ban ALL marriages that cannot produce offspring… This So. Bapt. article link is largely what I was referring to in earlier posts…
Yes, Linda, there are wackos out there… Some of them are even in the So. Bapt. Convention… although not all in the SBC would be in agreement…
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Apophis
Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink
Now, a liar is determining the Professional standards of educators………..what a joke!
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Naw, those are outlined in USD259 ethical behavior listing, your contract and the State of Kansas.
Now, that being said, above…. What the heck does any of that have to do with Uranium?? or WMD’s??? What the ????
read up Chas, it spawned from my objection of some Libs here posting off topic and ruining the thread.
And is Regular now suggesting that he/it knows what is contained in Apophis’ contract with USD259??
Oh, ok… guess I came in late for the show… LOL
I went through the same basic process when I applied for Emergency Substitute Teacher. So yes, I know what’s in the ethical standards and compliance to behavior rules.
And your qualifications to determine Apophis’ compliance with said standards is what??
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Chas
Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink
And your qualifications to determine Apophis’ compliance with said standards is what??
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Same as yours I suppose. The standards are posted on a Website and available to the public.
I no longer teach, however Apophis does, he has to maintain standards.
Trust me McLiar, I do know the ethical standards my profession far better than you do.
…….ignore the lying troll, his only claim to fame was once being an “emergency substitute teacher”. Anyone can do that with 60 credit hours from a community college!
…………and to clarify a point, you never “taught”. If you were in a classroom, you were just a babysitter.
Go back to your MD 20-20!
“I went through the same basic process when I applied for Emergency Substitute Teacher.”
Wisely, the School Board decided to keep McCluer as far away from children as possible.
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Apophis
Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
Trust me McLiar, I do know the ethical standards my profession far better than you do.
…….ignore the lying troll, his only claim to fame was once being an “emergency substitute teacher”. Anyone can do that with 60 credit hours from a community college!
…………and to clarify a point, you never “taught”. If you were in a classroom, you were just a babysitter.
Go back to your MD 20-20!
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Actually, I did teach. And there are some grateful students glad that I did. I taught them how to use the factor/label method and apply it to chemistry problems. I also taught math to LD students along with their aides. It was quite rewarding.
Some teachers left lesson plans, most didn’t. Those were really boring classes where the teachers didn’t leave a lesson plan. Video, work or reading assignments, etc.
Now I confess to total helplessness in the stringed instruments music classes. :)
I told them to practice their scales and sheet music. Was about all I could do. :D
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WSClark
Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink
“I went through the same basic process when I applied for Emergency Substitute Teacher.”
Wisely, the School Board decided to keep McCluer as far away from children as possible.
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I substituted in a different school district, a better one imo, USD 260 Derby.
USD 259 is desperate for Emergency Sub. Teachers. I looked at them, but their handling and treatment of Subs was substandard compared to Derby.
Regular
Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
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Chas
Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink
And your qualifications to determine Apophis’ compliance with said standards is what??
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Same as yours I suppose. The standards are posted on a Website and available to the public.
I no longer teach, however Apophis does, he has to maintain standards.
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But, James, you constantly pretend to be able to judge Apophis’ compliance/non-complioance with USD259 Standards — But, uyou cant possibly do that… You have NO IDEA who Apophis IS!!!
Well McCluer, what should we believe – what you say or your continuing pattern of self-serving lies?
In your mind, you seem to be the all-knowing, been-there-done-that Renaissance Man, but reality seems to be far different.
To be honest, I have never come across anyone with a higher opinion of themselves with less reason than you, McCluer.
But, that is just my opinion, however, shared by many.
Well Chas, Apophis, like some other Libs attacks other posters without provocation. If I would have provoked him, then I get what I deserve.
However, 99.9 percent of the time, this is not the case.
He admitted to being a Middle School Science teacher. It really wouldn’t be too hard to figure out if I wanted. And, I imagine I could go before the school board and am very sure I could make him pee his britches while I presented the case against him for poor and anti-social conduct.
However, I won’t, because this is a blog.
Teachers get fired all the time for poor public conduct, even if they used assumed names or false names.
It would serve no purpose other than to inflate my ego a bit and chalk one up for responsible behavior.
However, if I am pushed, my advice is don’t.
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WSClark
Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
Well McCluer, what should we believe – what you say or your continuing pattern of self-serving lies?
In your mind, you seem to be the all-knowing, been-there-done-that Renaissance Man, but reality seems to be far different.
To be honest, I have never come across anyone with a higher opinion of themselves with less reason than you, McCluer.
But, that is just my opinion, however, shared by many.
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It’s not my fault you made the decision to plop yourself on a couch and become a vegetable.
I did as many things as I could get into and piled more education than I could possibly handle at times. I always volunteered to do things and made it a point to try something at least once.
Or, I could have been like you Clark, lived life as floating randomly down the sewage filled streams of liberal ideology with absolutely nothing to show for your efforts. :)
“However, 99.9 percent of the time, this is not the case.”
The inverse is actually the truth.
“And, I imagine I could go before the school board and am very sure I could make him pee his britches”
Only in your wet dreams.
“Teachers get fired all the time for poor public conduct, even if they used assumed names or false names.”
Name one.
“It would serve no purpose other than to inflate my ego a bit and chalk one up for responsible behavior.”
Your ego is already inflated far beyond any measure of reality in the greatest stretch of imagination.
“responsible behavior.”
Do you mean like your repeated threats of violence?
Responsible behavior like that?
Eh?
“I always volunteered to do things and made it a point to try something at least once.”
That is far more information than I need.
Cya Clark, the ultimate in couch potato liberals.
“And, I imagine I could go before the school board and am very sure I could make him pee his britches while I presented the case against him for poor and anti-social conduct.”
This is just another of your reichwing fantasies McLiar. There is nothing you could ever present to the BOE that would warrant a reprimand, little less a termination.
Figure out who I am if you want. Trust me, it will you who “pees his britches” then moron.
“Cya Clark, the ultimate in couch potato liberals.”
Really, is that the BEST you can come up with, McCluer?
You claim to have an IQ of 161 – that seems like a remark from someone with an IQ of 61.
Did ya’ lose 100 points from your IQ in your sock drawer?
Loser.
James was a substitute teacher?
I bet he was also an astronaut.
“I bet he was also an astronaut.”
And a championship caliber basketball player.
And a war hero.
And a straight “A” student.
And a scientist.
And a father.
And a Viet Nam War veteran.
And a husband.
And a volunteer in Mississippi.
And, and, and, and…………………
The list goes on and on and on and on…………..
He met Neil Armstrong on the moon with coffee and doughnuts
Nope never an astronaut. I did participate in a NASA sponsored study though. It was for testing suits worn on the Shuttle (pressure of suits)
My certificate for completion of the study was signed by Carter Alexander, PhD, my Division Chief. You can look him up on the Web. Part of his resume was that he was a Mission Specialist for NASA on the Shuttle program. Pretty good long distance runner too. :)
As far as Clark’s list go, I’ll just leave the coach potato Lib to his pathetic do nothing life and with full knowledge that he wasted it doing and achieving very little.
LOL Indie!!
You like to change your nics James.
I suggest Walter Mitty.
TOO much!
Only one comment James —
I, too, have served as an emergency substitute teacher… in many districts in Kansas, and in several other states as well… The “applications” for an emergency sub, where such applications actually do exist, look NOTHING like a Contract for a Certified Teacher…. And please dont try to get unsuspecting persons on the Blog to believe otherwise…. I am sure there are plenty who would dispute you…
” And, I imagine I could go before the school board and am very sure I could make him pee his britches while I presented the case against him for poor and anti-social conduct.”
Why is it your the only one who ever threatens to “out” people —
“It would serve no purpose other than to inflate my ego …”
anymore and your head would explode —- you arrogant simple minded moron — ohhh republican !!!!
Good one indie.
And welcome to posting.
The saddest thing is, McCluer ACTUALLY thinks that there are people that believe his fantasies are the truth.
Damn.
He can’t even admit to having a son – denies it one day and claims it the next – but we are supposed to believe all of his lies.
Christ.
I think he was in the CIA too.
But he doesn’t like to talk about it.
Clark, I dont think Christ believes it either!! ROFL!! :-D
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Chas
Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink
Only one comment James —
I, too, have served as an emergency substitute teacher… in many districts in Kansas, and in several other states as well… The “applications” for an emergency sub, where such applications actually do exist, look NOTHING like a Contract for a Certified Teacher…. And please dont try to get unsuspecting persons on the Blog to believe otherwise…. I am sure there are plenty who would dispute you…
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I remember when you said you substituted Chas.
However, we also discussed at the time, the different processes there are now for E.S.T.
If you want to know the procedures, just go to any of the Websites and find out, you’ll find that I am correct.
Or, you can continue to bloviate in your usual manner.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 10:06 pm
“My certificate for completion of the study was signed by Carter Alexander, PhD, my Division Chief. You can look him up on the Web.”
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Is that the same “Carter Alexander”, who used multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s TypePad link,
http://republikan.typepad.com/environmental_thoughts/2007/04/welcome_to_envi.html
when he made this really dumb comment at Real Climate?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/08/musings-about-models/#comment-50311
Your first link is broken cosmos and regarding the second link, it appeared to be a straight forward question or at least a remark. Gavin Schmidt’s answer was his usual tapping dance and avoidance.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 10:37 pm
“Your first link is broken cosmos”
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Oooops. . . here’s my “first link”, AGAIN.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted April 13, 2007 at 4:39 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_12-10/#comment-254414
“Added a new blog for Environmental things. You can add comments, just read or ignore. You’re choice.”
http://republikan.typepad.com/environmental_thoughts/2007/04/welcome_to_envi.html
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Is multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ unable to even remember his blog, that he “added” himself? That’s pathetic.
The link is broken cosmos, I know because the blog no longer exists.
Having a hard time dealing with reality cosmos?
Speaking of reality, how’s your ex-wife and son doing, McCluer?
Write to them often, do you?
Oh, that’s right, you have never been married.
My bad.
Speaking of reality, how was Mississippi, McCluer?
Visit there often?
Oh, that’s right, you’re not JM.
My bad.
It’s too bad Clark doesn’t have anything but his bitter old comments.
Must be absolutely horrifying to be a clueless Lib not knowing what the real world is like.
WSClark
Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
The saddest thing is, McCluer ACTUALLY thinks that there are people that believe his fantasies are the truth.
Damn.
He can’t even admit to having a son – denies it one day and claims it the next – but we are supposed to believe all of his lies.
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But Clark, you will acknowledge, I hope, that being subjected to these dubious claims is better than being a son of this alleged person? Wouldn’t that be extremely scary from a genetic load perspective, if nothing else…
“Must be absolutely horrifying to be a clueless Lib not knowing what the real world is like.”
Real world? Do you mean like the multiple real worlds that you have made up for yourself, McCluer?
Viet Nam.
Eh, no.
Married with children?
Eh, no.
Liar, beyond imagination?
Eh, yeah!
“being subjected to these dubious claims is better than being a son of this alleged person? ”
As George WMD Bush would say, the jury is still out on this – does McCluer have a child or was that just another one of his many, many, many lies?
We still await an answer……………….
Just say the words, McCluer………. admit that you lied.
Easy, right?
What my private life is none of your business Clark.
Or would you and I like to sit down together with the Wichita Eagle publisher and explain why you need to know about my private life?
Want to do it Clark, I can set up a time for that to happen.
Or, you can blog, give your opinions on the topic and leave personal life and data out of the blogs.
Your choice.
If you don’t accept my invitation to meet with the publisher, then I’ll just consider you another spineless Lib coward.
“Want to do it Clark, I can set up a time for that to happen.”
Okay, do it, that would be fine with me.
“and leave personal life and data out of the blogs”
Jeez, where do I start with the personal life issues that you have raised regarding me and mine…..
Eh?
The list is rather long………………………..
Okay, I’ll call tomorrow and set up an appointment.
Then, you can explain to the Wichita Eagle publisher why is it you feel the need to reveal private data or the lives of people on this blog.
I’ll watch while you squirm.
It’s doubtful you’ll even show up and I will supply a statement from the Publisher when you don’t show.
Yeah, let’s meet with the publisher of the Eagle. Let’s make it tomorrow – I am busy on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
Sunday, I rest.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted,
“The link is broken cosmos, I know because the blog no longer exists.”
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted April 13, 2007 at 4:39 pm
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_12-10/#comment-254414
“Added a new blog for Environmental things. You can add comments, just read or ignore. You’re(sic) choice.”
http://republikan.typepad.com/environmental_thoughts/2007/04/welcome_to_envi.html
“It’s doubtful you’ll even show up and I will supply a statement from the Publisher when you don’t show.”
Name the time – I’ll be there.
Maybe we can talk about the time that you accused me of inappropriate relationships with my granddaughter.
WSClark
Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:29 pm | Permalink
Yeah, let’s meet with the publisher of the Eagle. Let’s make it tomorrow – I am busy on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
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It will be when the Publisher will oblige us.
If you can’t make it, then I’ll just consider you weaseling out in typical lib cowardly manner.
“If you don’t accept my invitation to meet with the publisher, then I’ll just consider you another spineless Lib coward.”
OK It’s time to say it again.
The last meetup that the Eagle editors called was in early last year.
This was around the time that the poster known as “JM” melted down and started exorcising his personal demons here.
There has been no Eagle suggestion of a meetup since. And the Eagle editors no longer alert us as to how many posts this blog gets.
Ladies and gentleman? I give you the cause. One James McCluer. Known here lately by the nic “Regular” and previously by more than a dozen other nics. A disturbed individual whose life revolves around making this blog his own personal toilet and rubber room.
James I am not going to presume to speak for the editors. But I will offer a guess that they really wish you would go away.
“Or would you and I like to sit down together with the Wichita Eagle publisher and explain why you need to know about my private life?”
And then, perhaps YOU, James, can explain to the publisher WHY you think you need to know about MY private life, and the private life of Apophis??? How about you try explaining that??
Hey, if YOU can harass people about their private lives… You opened the door…. You cant UNring the bell, James…
“If you can’t make it, then I’ll just consider you weaseling out in typical lib cowardly manner.”
Well, McCluer, I already have plans for Thursday, Friday and Saturday, but I am free tomorrow – how is 2:00PM for you?
If you can’t make it then, I am free all of next week except Tuesday.
So, let’s meet with the publisher and I can tell him about the times you accused me of inappropriate relationships with my granddaughter, the times you called me an alcoholic or a drug addict or even the times you accused me of sexual relationships with my daughter.
Tomorrow or Monday is good for me, set it up and I will be there.
It should be fun.
Ha!
Whoops! The Editors will need to contact me…..
WSClark52@gmail.com
Send me an e-mail and I will be there – except Thursday, Friday and Saturday – prior plans.
Sunday is cool – I am a non-Christian so I won’t be in church.
………………. mark my words, the Liar McCluer will claim that he set up a meeting for Friday, knowing that I will not be on the blog, and then will “claim victory” even though there was no meeting set up.
For the record, I am remodeling a bathroom for my kids, starting tomorrow but mostly through Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
I MAY stop in for a post or two, but mostly I will be out of pocket.
McCluer is making an excuse in advance, but you all can see through it, I am sure.
The Eagle has my e-mail addy – so they can contact me about any “meeting.”
It remains to be seen what “meeting” McCluer has in mind.
Ha!
Oh, McCluer, why don’t you have the guts to post your e-mail addy on the blog?
Chicken(stuff), eh?
He just Wanished Clark!!
Is that a “meltdown”???
WSClark
Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:07 am | Permalink
Oh, McCluer, why don’t you have the guts to post your e-mail addy on the blog?
Chicken(stuff), eh?
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Of course, he is one very frightened little man. He is all blow, and no go. He is most pathetic, actually – this from someone who has met this very sorry excuse for a human being.
Amazing isn’t folks?
All these attacks by the Libs and yet they want credibility for something, who knows what.
They shall not find it here.
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Don’t let me bother you telling how that feels! War was actually quite good for me. The second link much of that has changed. At Iraq, Saddam actually have better data of who was playing when, where and how much.
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