It’s encouraging that President Bush and other leaders of the Group of Eight industrial nations — Italy, France, Japan, Russia, Britain, Germany and Canada — this week endorsed significant reductions in greenhouse gases for their nations: 50 percent cuts by 2050.
It’s still unclear, though, whether the group will finalize any agreement, and critics are right to say the 2050 target is too far in the future. Intermediate goals, they say, are needed to spur nations to take action in the short term — say, by 2020.
One group working on climate change, Oxfam International, called the G-8 agreement “another stalling tactic.”
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Imagine there’s no warming
It seems clear that the world’s political and cultural and financial elite are determined to do whatever is necessary in their minds to lower the temperature of the planet. When you cut through all the climate-change hysteria, that’s what is being proposed.
Taxes will be raised, carbon-dioxide production will be punished, income will be redistributed, people will be told what they can do with their lives and what they cannot do, live-saving and life-enhancing development will be curtailed. And all of this coercion will be directed by those who know best – a global elite who collectively know less about science than the average American high school student in the 1950s.
I suspect most of them don’t even believe their dire predictions about global warming. I’m quite certain they understand the riff-raff simply need a rationalization for how they are about to be exploited in ways that would have been shocking during the days of feudalism. But put all that aside for a moment. Let’s pretend there really is irreversible global warming taking place because of man’s activity on the planet. Let’s further pretend the advocates of these radical policies to remake the world in their own image actually could reduce the world’s temperatures.
Would it be worth it?
Would it be the right thing to do?
Would it benefit mankind in any way?
Would the result be worth trading off the last vestiges of freedom throughout the world?
Surprisingly, I haven’t seen anyone else ask these fundamental questions. And that illustrates the utter absurdity of the global warming frenzy. These international oligarchs are selling the world’s population a make-believe crisis to justify their globalist power grab without the slightest ability to have any impact on the planet’s weather patterns and temperatures.
But, again, let’s imagine they could effectively regulate the weather. Would that be good? Would you trust these people to control the temperature of the world? Would you trust anyone other than God to do that? Yet that is precisely more of the hot air the global warming chorus is trying to sell us. It would place something as sacred as the world’s climate in the hands of men – if indeed they could.
What surprises me, a little, is that so many normal, average Americans would be willing to hand over that power to a clique of politicians and their shadowy, unaccountable, unelected puppeteers. Think about this. Would you really want your weather controlled or regulated – even in part – by men with whom you have little or no influence?
The question is so preposterous I can’t imagine anyone would answer it affirmatively. But that is one of the monstrous, totalitarian, Big Brother ideas you have to accept to jump on the climate-change bandwagon.
There’s more to think about, too, in this hypothetical scenario. If indeed men really could change the weather and control temperatures, why do we assume those changes and those controls would be positive? Lowering temperatures might be attractive if you live in the tropics. But I can’t understand why so many Canadians, for instance, would think a colder climate would be beneficial.
Again, if the high priests of global warming could actually make an impact on the weather through their draconian plans to steal our freedom and our prosperity, their goal of lowering temperatures would be, at best, a net plus for some and a net negative for others. It would almost certainly result in less food production, for example. Consider that as we begin to see food shortages and rationing around the globe due to much less significant central planning efforts already under way.
To review and summarize, then, what we’re left with, when it comes to the global warming agenda, is a fraudulent crisis cooked up to control and enslave the world’s population under the guide of benevolent global socialism and an equally fraudulent solution to that crisis – one that would be a bad idea even if it could work, which it can’t! Do I have this about right?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68976
Great Moments in Alarmism
Apparently a number of papers are “commemorating” today the 20th anniversary of James Hansen’s speech before Congress warning of catastrophic man-made global warming. So let’s indeed commemorate it. Here is the chart from the appendices of Hansen’s speech showing his predictions for man-made global warming:
I have helpfully added in red the actual temperature history, as measured by satellite, over the last 20 years (and scale-shifted to match the base anomaly in Hansens graph). Yes, 2008 has been far colder than 1988. We have seen no warming trend in the last 10 years, and temperatures have undershot every one of Hansen’s forecasts. He thought the world would be a degree C warmer in 20 years, and it is not. Of course, today, he says the world will warm a degree in the next 20 years — the apocalypse never goes away, it just recesses into the future.
This may explain why Hansen’s GISS surface temperature measurements are so much higher than everyone else’s, and keep getting artificially adjusted upwards: Hansen put himself way out on a limb, and now is using the resources of the GISS to try to create warming in the metrics where none exist to validate his forecasts of Apocalypse.
By the way, if you want more insight into the “science” led by James Hansen, check out this post from Steve McIntyre on his trying to independently reproduce the GISS temperature aggregation methodology.
Here are some more notes and scripts in which I’ve made considerable progress on GISS Step 2. As noted on many occasions, the code is a demented mess – you’d never know that NASA actually has software policies (e.g. here or here . I guess that Hansen and associates regard themselves as being above the law. At this point, I haven’t even begum to approach analysis of whether the code accomplishes its underlying objective. There are innumerable decoding issues – John Goetz, an experienced programmer, compared it to descending into the hell described in a Stephen King novel. I compared it to the meaningless toy in the PPM children’s song – it goes zip when it moves, bop when it stops and whirr when it’s standing still. The endless machinations with binary files may have been necessary with Commodore 64s, but are totally pointless in 2008.
Because of the hapless programming, it takes a long time and considerable patience to figure out what happens when you press any particular button. The frustrating thing is that none of the operations are particularly complicated.
Hansen, despite being paid by US Taxpayers and despite all regulations on government science, refused for years to even release this code for inspection by outsiders and to this day resists helping anyone trying to reproduce his mysterious methodologies.
Which in some ways is all irrelevent anyway, since surface temperature measurement is flawed for so many reasons (location biases, urban heat islands, historical discontinuities, incomplete coverage) that satellite temperature measurement makes far more sense, which is why I used it above. Of course, there is one person who fights hard against use of this satellite methodology. Ironically, this person fighting use of space technology is … James Hansen, of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies of NASA! In our next episode, the head of the FCC will be actively fighting for using the telegraph over radio and TV.
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/
Industrialized nations forge global climate pact
BY SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
New York Times
“But the emissions reduction goal is extremely weak; the language in the communique is almost meaningless.”
The White House painted the document as a victory.
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/458407.html
(chortles)
cosmos, are you a scientist?
Poor ignorant, confused, and pathetic Hank Price, and multi-nic’d ‘Regular’. . .
Both Hank Price and ‘Regular’ are 100% unable to defend their opinions attacking AGW science.
ALL that poor old ignorant, confused, and pathetic Hank Price, and ‘Regular’ can do is copy/paste from dumb anti-AGW web sites, and make false ad hominem attacks.
Bush makes a lot of promises but never does anything. He says we are addicted to oil and his solution to an addiction is to get more of the drug. In the 2000 election campaign he made a campaign promise to regulate carbon emissions, he hasn’t done anything yet. Recently he wanted to stop all development of solar farms on federal land to do an environmental impact study. Sure, Bush thinks blowing off mountaintops for coal or drilling in the ocean has no harm on the environment but solar farms are potentially dangerous.
Nothing will result from this G-8 meeting, Bush will keep on delaying and do nothing as usual.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 9, 2008 at 7:00 am | Permalink
Poor ignorant, confused, and pathetic Hank Price, and multi-nic’d ‘Regular’. . .
Both Hank Price and ‘Regular’ are 100% unable to defend their opinions attacking AGW science.
ALL that poor old ignorant, confused, and pathetic Hank Price, and ‘Regular’ can do is copy/paste from dumb anti-AGW web sites, and make false ad hominem attacks.
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cosmos, are you a scientist?
“What surprises me, a little, is that so many normal, average Americans would be willing to hand over that power to a clique of politicians and their shadowy, unaccountable, unelected puppeteers.”
Mr.Price I’m surprised your surprised. Some people would say the same thing about the Bush administration.
cosmos, you’re pretty good with the ad hominem attack your own self. You should consider changing your handle to “cosmos_hypocrite”.
At least those two gave a source. You have only your naked assertions and gratuitous insults. Maybe you should look in the mirror to determine who’s really ignorant, confused and pathetic.
“But, again, let’s imagine they could effectively regulate the weather. Would that be good? Would you trust these people to control the temperature of the world? Would you trust anyone other than God to do that?”
If he even exists, “God” seems neglectfully uninterested in this planet and its problems.
Global warming IS happening. Human activity DOES add to it.
We have grown accustomed in this country to a lifestyle that is simply not sustainable. NOW, increasing numbers of the worlds people aspire to that same wasteful and irresponsible lifestyle.
It just is not in the Earth to be up to the demand.
Make no mistake. The Earth will endure one way or the other. What is at issue is the narrow slot of survivability and stability that humanity lives with on the Earth.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Do you have a brain? Any understanding of climate science?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s long history of posts on this blog prove that he has neither.
cosmos_originally
Posted July 9, 2008 at 7:17 am | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Do you have a brain? Any understanding of climate science?
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s long history of posts on this blog prove that he has neither
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cosmos, are you a scientist?
GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE
Interesting article about yet another natural cause explanation for climate change.
“New Research Indicates Climate Similar to the 1800s Within the Next 15 Years: First Stage of Global Cooling Will Begin During 2008-2009
New research findings released in the peer reviewed book “Global Warming — Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found,” links seven different types of recurring gravitational cycles as the cause for all 2200 global warming events during the past half million years, including the earth’s current warming cycle. It also links the cycles to a natural 50 percent increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide during the 10,000 year period leading up to the peak of all recurring 116,000 year mega global warming cycles. Meteorologist and climate researcher David Dilley of Global Weather Oscillations http://www.globalweathercycles.com, says the gravitational cycles act like a magnet by pulling the atmosphere’s high pressure systems northward or southward by as much as 3 or 4 degrees of latitude from their normal seasonal positions. As the current gravitational cycle declines, global temperatures will begin cooling during 2008-09 with dramatic global cooling by 2023.
Ocala, FL (PRWEB) July 8, 2008 – New findings released in the peer reviewed book “Global Warming — Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found”, meteorologist and climate researcher David Dilley utilizes nearly a half million years of data linking long term gravitational cycles of the moon as the cause for the present global warming, rises in carbon dioxide levels, and for 2200 global warming cycles during the past half million years…”
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2008/7/prweb1081014.htm
Pardon me; but people who can’t understand that a square meter can’t contain .41 kg of water aren’t qualified to comment on science or non-science.
LOL!
The ‘group of eight’, G-8:
Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States
This is an interesting group of nations. Interesting in that there are members that are pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and interesting in that there are relevant nations conspicuously absent.
France is a borderline third world nation. It’s only relevance in the world is that it’s our ally, propped up by the US. Canada and Japan are not effective world players without the benefit of out protective defensive umbrella.
Then, when it comes to global warming policy the biggest players are missing. Africa, China, India. Is there no AGW going on in the southern hemisphere?
G-8, BS
Hank Price,
To explain why I’m not wasting my time debunking the TV meteorologists, engineers, et al in your “Declaration” on yesterday’s ‘Open’.
1) You seem 100% unable to understand the HUGE difference between scientific methodology — and “opinions”, “petitions” and “declarations”.
2) Your AGW deniers will be debunked in the future.
3) Your opinions are your responsibility. . . AND like you say Hank, “you’re in the book”.
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beber
Posted July 9, 2008 at 7:22 am | Permalink
Pardon me; but people who can’t understand that a square meter can’t contain .41 kg of water aren’t qualified to comment on science or non-science.
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Still struggling with the metric system eh? :)
I’m sure you know what a liter is.
Did you realize that 1 liter of water is 1 kilogram(kg)?
In fact, 1 kg is defined as a quantity of pure water of a cube 1dm x 1dm x 1dm (dm = decimeter)at a little less than 4.0C
So, the other day when we were talking about water vapor measurements and it was expressed as kg/m2, you appeared to got your panties in a wad.
You could perhaps also state Liter/m2 and say the same thing, but you would be wrong.
The problem is, no one uses the liter in calculating mass because it is not standardized to a specific temperature – but a kilogram(kg) is.
So, let’s review.
A kilogram is a volume of water (1dm^3) at a little less than 4.0C.
Does that make the volume question go away beber? :D
“France is a borderline third world nation.”
Yet that borderline third world nation is able to provide it’s people health care (ranked #1 by the WHO) and it’s airline industry is outperforming Boeing. France has the 6th largest economy in the world.
What standard do you go by? Is it the same standard as your piss poor understanding of basic scientific concepts?
I think beber might be referring to the fact that a mass can not inhabit an area (m^2) but must be contained in a volume (m^3).
Unless of course some abstract unit relationship is desired for the ease of calculation.
“Taxes will be raised, carbon-dioxide production will be punished, income will be redistributed, people will be told what they can do with their lives and what they cannot do, live-saving and life-enhancing development will be curtailed.”
Hank– I am sure the socialist Libs don’t want any of that. If they did, they would come up with some crazy, unprovable theory that could only be prove wrong a long time in the future.
By then it would be too late.
The Eagle must be trying to help green up the World in thinking we can make a difference in climate change. By doing what, with what results. Do you think by cutting your yard less, driving less, turing off the lights will make a difference, not in my view. Use of energy and greenhouse emission in my opinion has nothing to do with making a difference in climate change. What do want hotter or cooler and how are you going to do it. Just think of the out of control forest fires. How are we going to eat, if you try to control the emissions farming makes with their plowing and cutting their crops. Pollution or the lack of it can not make a difference in climate change, if so how? The politicians has enough control of our lives now, I don’t want to see any more, besides they are all two faced.
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RFL
Posted July 9, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink
I think beber might be referring to the fact that a mass can not inhabit an area (m^2) but must be contained in a volume (m^3).
Unless of course some abstract unit relationship is desired for the ease of calculation.
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Could be RFL.
We were talking about measurements in the atmosphere, which by definition atmospheric space is calculated by columns of air occupied space (along with gases and water vapor/dust, etc.)
So, let’s say that column of air could be visualized as a cylinder.
volume of a cylinder = surface area X height
Now, we want to understand what the mass/volume relationship is. As previously explained, the kilogram is a unit of mass that is defined by a 1 decimeter cube of water just under 4.0C temperature.
If we want to know the volume of that column (the cylinder of air) we would plug in the surface area times the height (the altitude times the meters squared and put that under the mass (expressed in kilograms) so we can do further calculations.
Thus, kg/m2 is the desired unit for working with atmospheric measurement.
Of course, there are other considerations such as atmospheric pressure to consider when calculating actual number of moles (chemistry term) of a certain element or elements. Then we have to understand the watts/meter^2 energy derivation of each element type to calculate energy release and absorption rates. But that’s kind of dry for this type of blog, and can be discussed later.
**NEWS FLASH**
Got Big News for Y’all:
NO Nation is gonna see anything close to a 50% reduction by 2050.
Go ahead and btich about 50% not being high enough. Go for 60% to 80%, but you are frickin DREAMING!
AND, there’s no rational basis for your 60% to 80% figure either. You GW People pulled those numbers right out of your a*s.
“PSYCHIATRISTS have detected the first case of “climate change delusion” – and they haven’t even yet got to Kevin Rudd and his global warming guru.”
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23991257-25717,00.html
An alarming story of the future of the global warning scare.
Finally the demos are getting the message.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0930217120080709
Newt has had great success with his drill here, drill now pay less plan the the dems are running scared. The tide has turned.
What do you cons. say about your hero Pickens now?
FROM BILLIONAIRE OIL MAN T BOONE PICKENS:
http://www.boonepickens.com/
” I’ve been an oil man all my life, but this is one emergency we can’t drill our way out of.”
T. Boone Pickens is a self-serving con man attempting to raise public support and thereby garner government subsidies for his billion-dollar wind development near Pampa Texas. You have to admire the audacity. Didn’t T. Boone underwrite the Swiftboaters?
Phantom being from Ok I can say the only thing I admire about Pickens is the fact that he infused OSU with millions and they have a first class football stadium and wrestling fieldhouse to show for it.
On the other hand I remember him for the hostile takeovers he attempted back in the eightys. Hope he has some good ideas for energy sources. But he is wrong about not being able to drill our way out of this crisis. Newt announced that over 600 wells have been drilled in the upper Dakotas and Wyoming. These are producing oil as we speak.
What happened to the price of oil in the last two days. It dropped over $5 a barrel. Coincidence maybe – fear of the gravy train leaving OPEC behind probably.
okob – I met Boone some years ago at a conference. It was quite interesting ‘comparing notes’ about Gulf Oil Corporation. I had been at Gulf in the early 80s when he made his takeover attempt. He had correctly noted that Gulf management was incompetant and that is why its stock price was depressed. So, it became a natural takeover target – not because of Boone but because of lousy management.
I told him he was a ‘vulture’ – but in the correct ecological meaning. He goes after that which is dead or dying.
I believe that Gulf employees would have been better off if he had succeeded. The so-called ‘white knight’ was great for the executives but a disaster for the company.
“Boone underwrite the Swiftboaters?”
Yes.
I remember him for collecting ‘Green Mail’. Believe that’s how he made his fortune. Corporate extortion.
“Didn’t T. Boone underwrite the Swiftboaters?”
Weren’t the Swiftboaters made up of men who served with Kerry?
Look for oil prices to fall as multiple nations reduce or eliminate gasoline subsidies and demand falls in those nations.
I didnt realize how many nations subsidize the price of gasoline. It’s costing them big time.
No. Mostly Men who served on the same ship, and heard stories.
okobserver
Posted July 9, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
Finally the demos are getting the message.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0930217120080709
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Yeah, Obama and the Dems will all FLOP on this issue before their Convention.
The wind direction has changed. Gas over $4/gal and rising.
At $6/gal, the Dems will pass Emergency Legislation to Mandate Immediate drilling in ANWAR.
They will say: “F Global Warming”
Listen how people are btiching EVERYDAY about the price of gas.
EVERYDAY, the news is making gasoline prices their headline story.
An extra $2/gal @ 15 gallons per week is costing an Average American an extra $30 per week for gas. BFD!!!
If you think $30 per week is high for gasoline, just wait until you see the impact of Obama’s TAX INCREASE!
You Ain’t Seen Nuthin Yet!
“Climate Change Dellusion” is a mental illness. It is official now:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23991257-25717,00.html
Looks like the entire G-8 Group is now delusional??? LOL yea, right….
From OK’s link: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23991257-25717,00.html
THIS SOUNDS JUST LIKE BJ’S POST YESTERDAY!!! LOL!!!
BJ has been soooo impacted by Global Warming. He didn’t mention exactly how, but the Nut Case in Australia was delusional too.
Doomed to a fatal delusion over climate change
Andrew Bolt
July 09, 2008
PSYCHIATRISTS have detected the first case of “climate change delusion” – and they haven’t even yet got to Kevin Rudd and his global warming guru.
Writing in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Joshua Wolf and Robert Salo of our Royal Children’s Hospital say this delusion was a “previously unreported phenomenon”.
“A 17-year-old man was referred to the inpatient psychiatric unit at Royal Children’s Hospital Melbourne with an eight-month history of depressed mood . . . He also . . . had visions of apocalyptic events.”
Any ole excuse not to work will do…
THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE END IS NEAR!!!
I can’t work, I’m so upset!!!
Weren’t the Swiftboaters made up of men who served with Kerry?
If served with Kerry means “in the Navy” then “Yes.”
Swiftboaters, knew a guy, that knew a guy that said he knew a guy that served with Kerry.
Pickens is more of a jackal than a vulture. He doesn’t have the patience to be a vulture, his motto would be “Wait hell, I’m going to kill something!”.
http://www.swiftvets.com/videos/theyserved.mov
Obama’s plan is to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year.
If that hurts you.. well boo hoo hoo.
“If that hurts you.. well boo hoo hoo.”
Don’t worry, they can always get an interest free loan from the city.
I’m not going to get into a shouting match with the idiots arguing both for and against CO2 causes and effects. I am, however, going to point out the fact, again, man can and does affect the globe. Head down to the nearest river and drink the water . . . mmmmmm good, huh? Kinda dirty. In fact, I don’t believe there is one river or stream in Kansas that is not polluted.
The Ozone holes come to mind as well. Even $400 million man, rush, conceded man was causing them. Ever seen a river burn? Detroit did . . . pollution, and man made. Ever been to Los Angeles? Probably didn’t want to stay too long, did you. Just a bit smoggy there. Kansas City has its share. Mexico City is ridiculous. China the same way. All man made.
While I have my doubts about CO2, global warming, and man being the culprit, our past history on pollution certainly makes it possible. Thinking man can’t affect the environment, when measured against past history, just doesn’t compute. But I know I’m spittin’ into the wind of bloggers hell here, so don’t mind me; I’ll just continue thinking for myself.
Doomed to a fatal delusion over climate change
“PSYCHIATRISTS have detected the first case of “climate change delusion” – and they haven’t even yet got to Kevin Rudd and his global warming guru.”
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23991257-25717,00.html
“The patient had also developed the belief that, due to climate change, his own water consumption could lead within days to the deaths of millions of people through exhaustion of water supplies.”
But never mind the poor boy, who became too terrified even to drink. What’s scarier is that people in charge of our Government seem to suffer from this “climate change delusion”, too.”
Of course, we can laugh at this — and must — but the price for such folly may soon be your job, or at least your cash.
Rudd and Garnaut want to scare you into backing their plan to force people who produce everything from petrol to coal-fired electricity, from steel to soft drinks, to pay for licences to emit carbon dioxide — the gas they think is heating the world to hell.
The cost of those licences, totalling in the billions, will then be passed on to you through higher bills for petrol, power, food, housing, air travel and anything else that uses lots of gassy power. In some countries they’re even planning to tax farting cows, so there’s no end to the ways you can be stung.”
It was report later that the poor delusional boy who was so afraid of climate change to himself live without fear today was named cosmos.
“Ever been to Los Angeles? ”
Yes I have. And boy was it an eye opener for this Kansas born babe in the woods back then.
It literally is true folks. There is a brown film in the sky over the city.
I heard a whole bunch of cons yesterday on Billo’s radio show.
Here’s the thing with the cons. A LOT of them agree there is a problem. They just don’t like what they call the presentation of it. They think it is smug and preachy. Strange they don’t take the same from religion. But there it is.
I deduced that as more that they know there is a problem and they’d rather not be reminded of it.
But if it IS the presentation? What is it you cons and deniers want? How is it that diverting from fossil fuels is bad? We get to shed some nasty foreign entanglements as a side benefit.
Another thing the cons wheedled with Billo is that “Well they are accusing us of destroying the world! We like clean air and water too!”
Which I deduce as “We know what the right thing to do is. But it would require us to change! We don’t like change!”
“Several members of (Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) served in the same unit as Kerry, but only one, Stephen Gardner, served on the same boat.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry_military_service_controversy
Do please note: “Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating
Boxlock,
Actually, I believe in technology, and ideas like suggested at these sites.
http://www.rmi.org/
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
cosmos,
Thank you for the link, I will look at it. I find the technological approach to conservation of energy and improved efficiency quite interesting myself, and something obviously worth pursuing.
Pointing fingers of blame and demanding more in taxes or decreasing our quality of life over AGW, I am not.
Also, I apologize for taking the slightly cheap shot at you with the ‘delusional boy’ comment.
It was made more in humor than to denigrate you, but I should have made that clear and it probably wasn’t very humorous to you.
Boxlock,
Also good sources, ‘Natural Capitalism’,
http://www.natcap.org/
And the ‘Small is Profitable’ (distributed electrical resources) link at bottom of that page.
Topekan posted July 9, 2008 at 7:10 am
“At least those two gave a source.”
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Uh-huuhh. . .
Hank posted a fictional op-ed from the right-wing World Net Daily.
And multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted a blog column from someone who doesn’t seem to know that GISS and HadCRU data use different reference periods. And HadCRU omits the Arctic region.
Topekan, Hank refused to answer my questions to him yesterday,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-78/#comment-380292
Can you answer those questions, Topekan?
Can you give a scientific explanation supporting Beck’s claim that global CO2 was about 470 ppm in the 1940’s?
cosmos,
Thanks…now we are at least on the same page.
I have nothing in this AGW thing against pursuing a capitalistic approach to making business and industry more profitable and efficient and reducing the AGW impact, or making private living choices that presently benefit us all.
As I’ve said before I am not convinced by the ‘chicken little’ folks, or those wanting to create large, expensive, inefficient bureaucracies that lessen our quality of life and drive up costs over something I’m not convinced will not self-resolve anyway.
Hey, I know this isn’t what you mean but as an example, I’ve shut down the AC, turned on the attic fan and opened a couple windows and the back door. I’ve got nothing but compact florescent bulbs going and I won’t mow the lawn until it almost needs to be bailed. But I’m not trading in a perfectly good car for a hybrid yet or altering my lifestyle as in no driving on vacation, etc. I’m not going to be around in, what was that figure I read showing the increase in CO2 over the last 800,000 yrs, and by darn those folks living then, if there are any, can worry about that in their time, I’ve got enough worry living in mine.
Thanks for the links.
PS: Besides, it’s hard for me to get very passionate about it, I am the type that’s much more interested in old steam engines than new electric hybrids.
Here….this ought to hurt.
Old coal powered steam engines at that.
cosmos,
I know this is elementary but it still appeals to me. NOT, because it’s elementary and simple enough for me to understand (ha), but because it focuses on the positive and is not ‘chicken little’, in approach, as so many AGW fanatics are. And, it doesn’t waste time with punitive solutions like trading ‘carbon credits’, which is just scheme to tax.
Take a look at this an let me know what you think.
Granted it deals more with energy relocation than merely limiting use, (we will need more energy not less) but it makes sense from a reduction in carbon release as well as wind is substituting in for Nat. Gas for power production and Nat. Gas for petroleum in vehicles.
Link: http://www.pickensplan.com/
really enjoyed bumping into your text. Great blogging!!
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