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1. HLP
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink

   Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change

   “Global warming” is not a global crisis

   We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change,

   Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method;

   Affirming that global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life;

   Recognising that the causes and extent of recently observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed ‘consensus’ among climate experts are false;

   Affirming that attempts by governments to legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage CO2 emission reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing, human suffering;

   Noting that warmer weather is generally less harmful to life on Earth than colder:

   Hereby declare:

   That current plans to restrict anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a dangerous misallocation of intellectual capital and resources that should be dedicated to solving humanity’s real and serious problems.

   That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change.

   That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate.

   That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples.

   That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis.

   Now, therefore, we recommend –

   That world leaders reject the views expressed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as popular, but misguided works such as “An Inconvenient Truth.”

   That all taxes, regulations, and other interventions intended to reduce emissions of CO2 be abandoned forthwith.

   Agreed at New York, 4 March 2008

2. Apophis
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 6:23 am | Permalink

   price…………who are “We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change”?

   Just another science denial, piece of crap copy/paste.

   Have you and your marine-BOY ben to visit the “Creation Museum” yet?
   ………..the dinosaurs walking onto Noah’s Ark two by two…………

3. Regular
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 6:26 am | Permalink

   New Campaign Bumper Sticker:

   Barak Obama, running for President in all 60 states

   (chortles)

4. Boxlock
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink

   It’s time to get this country back and out of the hands of special interest….
   This guy is good, speakers on.

   Click here: An interesting point of view that doesn’t pick a side… – NBSR Forums

   “Beware the lollipop of mediocrity…lick it once and you’ll suck forever!”

   “Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

   “The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one.” – Mark Twain

5. Boxlock
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:20 am | Permalink

   Sorry, I forgot hyperlinks won’t copy over to the blog.
   Link for above: http://www.northbaysportriders.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9244

6. HLP
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:23 am | Permalink

   Good morning Apophis!

   CLIMATE EXPERTS WHO SIGNED MANHATTEN DECLARATION

   The following 188 Manhattan Declaration endorsers are climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields (this is a subset extracted from the other lists):

   1. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD, Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A.
   2. William J. R. Alexander, PrEng, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, Honorary Fellow, South African Institution of Civil Engineering, South Africa
   3. Bjarne Andresen, PhD, Physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
   4. John W. Bales, BA, MA, PhD (Mathematics, Modeling), Professor, Tuskegee University, Waverly, Alabama, U.S.A.
   5. Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant and former climatology professor – University of Winnipeg, Chair, Natural Resources Stewardship Project, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   6. Gregory J. Balle, B.E., MSc., PhD. (Joint Aerospace Engineering and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics), Pukekohe, New Zealand
   7. Romuald Bartnik, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Professor Emeritus, University of Lodz, Lodz, Poland
   8. Joe Bastardi, BSc, (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State), meteorologist, State College, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   9. Matthew Bastardi, BSc (Meteorology, Texas A and M University), Florida, U.S.A.
   10. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg, Germany
   11. David Bellamy, OBE, English botanist, author, broadcaster, environmental campaigner, Hon. Professor of Botany (Geography), University of Nottingham, Hon. Prof. Faculty of Engineering and Physical Systems, Central Queensland University, Hon. Prof. of Adult and Continuing Education, University of Durham, United Nations Environment Program Global 500 Award Winner, Dutch Order of The Golden Ark, Bishop Auckland County, Durham, U.K.
   12. Andre Bernier, Meteorologist, WJW-TV, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.
   13. Sally Bernier, Meteorologist, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.
   14. M.I. Bhat, Professor (Tectonics, Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Kashmir), Sprinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, India
   15. Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, Hull, United Kingdom
   16. Frederick Bopp, PhD (Geology), Environmental Consulting, Owner, Earth Quest, Downingtown, Pennsylvania. U.S.A.
   17. William M. Briggs, PhD., Statistical Consultant (specializing in accuracy of forecasts and climate variability), U.S.A.
   18. James Brooks, BS, PhD, Geophysics, Adelaide, Australia
   19. John W. Brosnahan, Vanderpool, Texas, U.S.A., Research Physicist (Atmospheric Remote Sensing), atmospheric science consultant, founder of Signal Hill Research, LLC., former President of Alpha/Power, Inc., founder of LaSalle Research Inc., founder of Tycho Technology Inc.
   20. Atholl Sutherland Brown, PhD (Geology, Princeton University), Regional Geology, Tectonics and Mineral Deposits, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   21. Stephen Brown, PhD (Environmental Science, State University of New York), Ground Penetrating Radar Glacier research, District Agriculture Agent Cooperative Extension Service, University of Alaska, Fairbanks Mat-Su District Office Palmer; Alaska Agriculture Extension Agent/Researcher, Alaska, U.S.A.
   22. Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D., D.Sc., D.Engr., Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research, Emeritus Prof. of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   23. James Buckee, PhD (astrophysics), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   24. Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada
   25. Robert M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
   26. George V. Chilingar, PhD, Professor, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering of Engineering, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.
   27. Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor (isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology), Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   28. James Clarke, BS (Meteorology), TV-Meteorologist, WZVN-TV, Ft. Myers, Florida, U.S.A.
   29. Charles A. Clough, BS (Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), MS (Atmospheric Science, Texas Tech University), former (to 2006) Chief of the US Army Atmospheric Effects Team at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland; now residing in Bel Air, Maryland, U.S.A.
   30. Michael Clover, PhD (experimental nuclear physics); Computer Simulation, Senior Scientist, Science Applications International Corp., San Diego, California, U.S.A.
   31. Michael Coffman, PhD, (ecosysytems analysis and climate change), CEO of Sovereignty International, President of Environmental Perspectives, Inc., Bangor, Maine, U.S.A.
   32. John Coleman, Founder, The Weather Channel, Weather Anchor, KUSI-TV, San Diego, California, U.S.A.
   33. Martin Coniglio, Meteorologist, KUSA-TV, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
   34. Paul Copper, BSc, MSc, PhD, DIC, FRSC, Professor Emeritus, Department of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
   35. Piers Corbyn, ARCS, FRAS, FRMetS, astrophysicist (Queen Mary College, London), consultant, owner of Weather Action long range forecasters, degree in Physics (Imperial College London), England
   36. Allan Cortese, meteorological researcher and spotter for the National Weather Service, retired computer professional, Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   37. Richard S. Courtney, PhD, energy and environmental consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, Falmouth, Cornwall, United Kingdom
   38. Susan Crockford, PhD (Zoology/Evolutionary Biology/Archaeozoology), Adjunct Professor (Anthropology/Faculty of Graduate Studies), University of Victoria, Victoria, British Colombia, Canada
   39. Claude Culross, PhD (Organic Chemistry), retired, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S.A.
   40. Joseph D’Aleo, MS, BS (University of Wisconsin) Meteorologist and Climatologist (retired), Executive Director, ICECAP (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project), Hudson, New Hampshire, U.S.A.
   41. Dalcio K. Dacol, PhD (physics, University of California at Berkeley), physicist at the US Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.
   42. Dave Dahl, BSc (Meteorology, Florida State University), Chief Meteorologist, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS/KSTP-TV, Saint Paul, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   43. Willem De Lange, PhD, MSc (Hons), Dphil (Computer and Earth Sciences), Senior Lecturer in Earth and Ocean Sciences, Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand
   44. James DeMeo, PhD (University of Kansas, Geography, Climate, Environmental Science), retired University Professor, now in Private Research, Ashland, Oregon, U.S.A.
   45. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
   46. David Douglass, PhD, Professor of Physics, University of Rochester, New York, U.S.A.
   47. Robert Durrenberger, PhD, former Arizona State Climatologist and President of the American Association of State Climatologists, Professor Emeritus of Geography, Arizona State University; Sun City, Arizona, U.S.A..
   48. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, New Jersey, U.S.A.
   49. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington, University, Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A.
   50. Per Engene, PhD, Biologist, Valenvegen, Norway
   51. Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A.
   52. David Evans, PhD (EE), MSc (Stat), MSc (EE), MA (Math), BE (EE), BSc, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of ‘Science Speak’, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   53. Donald W. Farley, P.Eng, M.Eng. (Water Resources Engineering & Hydrology), Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
   54. Robert Jacomb Foster, BE (Adelaide University), palaeoclimatologist and energy economist, Director Lavoisier Group; past Councillor Royal Society of Victoria and Victorian Institute of Marine Science, Melbourne, Australia
   55. Louis Fowler, BS (Mathematics), MA (Physics), 33 years in environmental measurements (Ambient Air Quality Measurements), Austin, Texas, U.S.A.
   56. Peter Friedman, PhD, Member, American Geophysical Union, Assistant professor of Mechanical Engineering, University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   57. Rigoberto Garcia, MC, Climate Change and Urban Sustainability, Doctorate Student, El Colegio de México, México City, DF, México
   58. Edgar Gärtner, Diplôme d’Etudes Approfondies (DEA, en Ecologie appliquée, Redaktionsbüro), Frankfurt am Main, Germany
   59. Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey, U.S.A.
   60. Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, ScAgr, Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, Tropical pasture research and land use management, INTTAS, Asunción, Paraguay
   61. Indur M. Goklany, PhD (Electrical Eng, Michigan State University), climate policy analyst, Vienna, Virginia, U.S.A.
   62. Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adj Professor, Royal Institute of Technology (Mechanical Engineering), Secretary General KTH International Climate Seminar 2006 and Climate analyst, Stockholm, Sweden
   63. Stanley B. Goldenberg, Research Meteorologist, NOAA, AOML/Hurricane Research Division, Miami, Florida, U.S.A.
   64. Wayne Goodfellow, PhD (Earth Science), Ocean Evolution, Paleoenvironments, Adjunct Professor, Senior Research Scientist, University of Ottawa, Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   65. David Gray, PhD (EE Stanford U., Electromagnetic Wave Transmission (in Atmosphere, and fiber)), Asst Professor of Engineering, Messiah College, Grantham, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   66. Thomas B. Gray, MS, Meteorology, Retired, USAF, Yachats, Oregon, U.S.A.
   67. Vincent Gray, PhD, New Zealand Climate Coalition, expert reviewer for the IPCC, author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand
   68. William M. Gray, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Dept. of Atmospheric Science), Colorado State University, Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Fort Collins, Colorado, U.S.A.
   69. Charles Hammons, PhD (Applied Mathematics), systems/software engineering, modelling & simulation, design, Consultant, Coyle, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
   70. Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor (Physics), University of Connecticut, The Energy Advocate, U.S.A.
   71. Ross Hays, Atmospheric Scientist, NASA Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility, Palestine, Texas, U.S.A.
   72. D. Hebert, PhD, Faculty for Chemistry and Physics, Institut fur Angewandte Physik, Freiberg, Germany
   73. Hug Hienz, PhD, (Chemistry, University of Mainz, Germany), former Professor of Organic Chemistry and Analytical Chemistry, Germany
   74. Ted Hinds, BS (Engineering Science), MS (Atmospheric Science), PhD (Physical Ecology, U. Washington, Seattle), Quantitative empirical analyses regarding climatological, meteorological, and ecological responses to environmental stresses, consultant for USA EPA research on global climate change program. Senior Research Scientist, retired, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, Washington, U.S.A.
   75. Art Horn, Meteorologist (honors, Lyndon State College, Lyndonville, Vermont), operator, The Art of Weather, U.S.A.
   76. Warwick S. Hughes, MSc Hon. (University of Auckland, New Zealand), geologist (retired), Canberra, Australia
   77. Ole Humlum, PhD, Physical Geography, Professor, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway
   78. Steve Hynek, BS (Meteorology), Air Quality Analyst, Dairyland Power Cooperative, La Crosse, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   79. Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A.
   80. Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A.
   81. Albert F. Jacobs, MS, P. Geology, retired geologist, co-founder Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   82. Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Senior Science Advisor of the Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
   83. Terrell Johnson, B.S. (Zoology), M.S. (Wildlife & Range Resources, Air & Water Quality), Principal Environmental Engineer, Green River, Wyoming, U.S.A.
   84. Bill Kappel, BS (Physical Science-Geology), BS (Meteorology), Storm Analysis, Climatology, Operation Forecasting, Vice President/Senior Meteorologist for Applied Weather Associates, LLC, University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, U.S.A.
   85. Wibjörn Karlén, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
   86. Joel M. Kauffman, PhD (Organic Chemistry, M.I.T.), Professor of Chemistry Emeritus, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   87. David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, Whakatane, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand
   88. Harald Kehl, PD Dr. rer. nat., Ecosystem Analysis, Lecturer, Researcher, Berlin, Germany
   89. Madhav L. Khandekar, PhD, consultant meteorologist, (former) Research Scientist, Environment Canada, Editor “Climate Research” (03-05), Editorial Board Member “Natural Hazards, IPCC Expert Reviewer 2007, Unionville, Ontario, Canada
   90. William Kininmonth, MSc, MAdmin, former head of Australia’s National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization’s Commission for Climatology, Kew, Victoria, Australia
   91. R.W.J. Kouffeld, PhD, Emeritus Professor – Energy Conversion, Technical University Delft, Driebergen, The Netherlands
   92. Gerhard Kramm, Dr. rer. nat. (Meteorology), Theoretical Meteorology, Research Faculty, Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A.
   93. Olav M. Kvalheim, Professor, Department of Chemistry, Univ. of Bergen, Bergen, Norway
   94. Rune B. Larsen, PhD (Geology, Geochemistry), Associate Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), Trondheim, Norway
   95. Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, President – Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   96. David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware, U.S.A.
   97. Jay Lehr, BEng (Princeton), PhD (environmental science and ground water hydrology), Science Director, The Heartland Institute, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.
   98. Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, France
   99. Bryan Leyland, M.Sc., FIEE, FIMechE, FIPENZ, MRSNZ, consulting engineer (power), Secretary – International Climate Science Coalition, Auckland, New Zealand
   100. Edward Liebsch, MS (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University), BA (Earth Science & Chemistry, St. Cloud State University), Air Quality, Meteorology, Senior Air Quality Scientist, HDR, Inc., Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   101. William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting Geologist and Company Director, Tiburon, California, U.S.A.
   102. Peter Link, BS, MS, PhD (Geology, Climatology), Geol/Paleoclimatology, retired, Active in Geol-paleoclimatology, Tulsa University and Industry, Evergreen, Colorado, U.S.A.
   103. Endel Lippmaa, Prof.Dr.habil (Physics, Chemistry), Chairman – Energy Council of the Estonian Academy of Science, Tallinn, Estonia
   104. Keith Lockitch, PhD (Physics, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee), Science and Environmental Policy, Resident Fellow, Ayn Rand Institute, Irvine, California, U.S.A.
   105. Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Department of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri, U.S.A.
   106. Richard Mackey, Statistician, author of papers about the role of the Sun in the Earth’s climate dynamics and biographer of Rhodes W. Fairbridge, Canberra, Australia
   107. Horst Malberg, PhD, former director of Institute of Meteorology, Free University of Berlin, Germany
   108. Björn Malmgren, PhD, University Professor, Paleoclimate Science, retired, Lerum, Sweden
   109. Jennifer Marohasy, BSc, PhD, Biologist, Writer, Senior Fellow, Institute of Public Affairs, Director, Australian Environment Foundation, Sydney, Australia
   110. Les McDonald, RP Bio; Senior Impact Assessment Biologist, BC Environmental Protection (retired); Consulting Aquatic Biologist, Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada
   111. Alister McFarquhar, PhD (international economy, Downing College), Cambridge, United Kingdom
   112. John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, Post-graduate Diploma of Computer Studies, B. Arch., Climate Data Analyst, Computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia
   113. Rob Meleon, PhD, biochemist, CSO Pepscan, Lelystad, The Netherlands
   114. Amos Meyer, Theoretical Physics, Applied Mathematics, Mathematical Modeling, Chief Scientist, Westport, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   115. Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences, Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   116. Ferenc Mark Miskolczi, PhD, atmospheric physicist, formerly of NASA’s Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia, U.S.A.
   117. Asmunn Moene, PhD, MSc (Meteorology), former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Oslo, Norway
   118. H. Michael “Mike” Mogil, Certified Consulting Meteorologist (three decades with NOAA), weather educator and science writer, How the Weatherworks, Naples, Florida, U.S.A.
   119. Michael Monce, PhD (Physics), Atomic/Molecular, Energy and Environment, Professor of Physics, Connecticut College, New London, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   120. M. R. Morgan, PhD, Cdr., FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K., now residing in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
   121. Nils-Axel Mörner, PhD (Sea Level Changes and Climate), Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
   122. Luboš Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
   123. Robert Neff, M.S. (Meteorology, St Louis University), Weather Officer, USAF; Contractor support to NASA Meteorology Satellites, Retired, Camp Springs, Maryland, U.S.A.
   124. John Nicol, BSc (University of Queensland), PhD (James Cook University); Radio Physics and High Resolution Optical Spectroscopy, former Senior Lecturer of Physics at James Cook University, Townsville, Australia; now residing in Brisbane, Australia
   125. David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   126. James J. O’Brien, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University, Florida, U.S.A.
   127. Peter Oliver, BS, MS, PhD, FGA, Geology, Geochemistry, Paleomagnetism, Research Scientist, retired, Upper Hutt, New Zealand
   128. Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia, Crawley, Australia
   129. Curtis Osgood, BS (Meteorology, Lyndon State College), Consulting Meteorologist, Forecaster/Consultant, Granby, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   130. Pat Palmer, MAgrSc (agronomy), pollution control expert (sources and effects on health), retired from Crop Research Division, DSIR, Christchurch, New Zealand
   131. Donald Parkes, PhD, BA (Hons), MA, retired Professor Human Ecology, Australia and Japan
   132. R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor & Director, Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center, Department of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Chair – International Climate Science Coalition, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   133. James A. Peden, Atmospheric Physicist, webmaster Middlebury Networks, Vermont, U.S.A.
   134. Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   135. Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide; Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, The University of Melbourne, Australia
   136. Daniel Joseph Pounder, BS (Meteorology, University of Oklahoma), MS (Atmospheric Sciences, University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign); Weather Forecasting, Meteorologist, WILL AM/FM/TV, the public broadcasting station of the University of Illinois, Urbana, U.S.A.
   137. Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology (Sedimentology), University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
   138. Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Professor (retired) Utrecht University, isotope and planetary geology, Past-President Royal Netherlands Society of Geology and Mining, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
   139. George A. Reilly, PhD (Geology), Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
   140. Henriques Renato, PhD, Geology, Auxiliary Professor, University of Minho, Braga, Braga, Portugal
   141. Art Robinson, PhD (Chemistry), founder and Professor of Chemistry, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Oregon, U.S.A.
   142. Robert G. Roper, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A.
   143. Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, Leiden, The Netherlands
   144. Curt Rose, BA, MA (University of Western Ontario), MA, PhD (Clark University), Professor Emeritus, Department of Environmental Studies and Geography, Bishop’s University, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
   145. Robert Roseman, Meteorology & Climatology, TV Meteorologist, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
   146. Rob Scagel, MSc (forest microclimate specialist), Principal Consultant – Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
   147. Clive Schaupmeyer, M.Sc., P.Ag. , Coaldale, Alberta, Canada
   148. Chris Schoneveld, MSc (Structural Geology), PhD (Geology), retired Exploration Geologist and Geophysicist, Australia and France
   149. Bruce Schwoegler, BS (Meteorology and Naval Science, University of Wisconsin-Madison), Chief Technology Officer, MySky Communications Inc, meteorologist, science writer and principal/co-founder of MySky, Lakeville, Massachusetts, U.S.A. .
   150. Tom V. Segalstad, PhD (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
   151. Milos Setek, Meteorologist/Statistician, Senior Scientist, Bureau of Meteorology, Melbourne, Australia
   152. John Shade, BS (Physics), MS (Atmospheric Physics), MS (Applied Statistics), Industrial Statistics Consultant, GDP, Dunfermline, United Kingdom
   153. Gary Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, California, U.S.A.
   154. Thomas P. Sheahen, PhD (Physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), specialist in energy sciences, notably renewable energy, Oakland, Maryland, U.S.A.
   155. Vedat Shehu, Prof. Dr. Eng., Geologist, Engineering Geology, Tectonics, Geoingineering, Sharon, Massachusetts, U.S.A. and Professor “Geoingineering Research Unit” in Tirana, Albania
   156. Richard F. Shepherd, ARCS (Mathematics), PhD, DIC (high energy physics), FIMA (numerical analysis), FBCS (director of computing centre, retired), Pembroke, United Kingdom
   157. Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist and chemist, Cobourg, Ontario, Canada
   158. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Environmental Sciences), University of Virginia, former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service, Science and Environmental Policy Project, Charlottesville, Virginia, U.S.A.
   159. L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor in Geography, specialising in Resource Management, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada.
   160. Oleg G. Sorokhtin, PhD, Director of Ocean Laboratory, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia
   161. Douglas Southgate, PhD, Professor of Agricultural, Environmental and Development Economics, Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A.
   162. Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville, Alabama, U.S.A.
   163. T. J. (”Jim”) Sprott, PhD, OBE, MSc, FNZIC, consulting chemist, forensic scientist, Auckland, New Zealand
   164. Walter Starck, PhD (marine science), marine biologist (specialization in coral reefs and fisheries with 1000 dives from northern Cape York to the Capricorn group), author, photographer, Townsville, Australia
   165. Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
   166. Wojciech J. Szalecki, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Senior Scientist, formerly University of Lodz, Poland, and University of Colorado, now in Eugene, Oregon, U.S.A.
   167. Mitchell Taylor, PhD, Biologist (Polar Bear Specialist), Wildlife Research Section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut, Canada
   168. George H. Taylor, Certified Consulting Meteorologist, Former State Climatologist (Oregon), Past President, American Association of State Climatologists, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.
   169. Malcolm Taylor, Dip ES (Climatology and Hydrology specialization), Power Systems Analyst, Otago, New Zealand
   170. Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, Dwingeloo, The Netherlands
   171. Wolfgang Thüne, PhD, Dipl.-Met., Senior Meteorologist and Sociologist, Oppenheim, Germany
   172. Göran Tullberg, Civilingenjör i Kemi (equivalent to Masters of Chemical Engineering), currently teacher of Environmental Protection Engineering and Organic Chemistry at University in Växjö; Falsterbo, Sweden
   173. Brian G. Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager – Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park, Dept. of Energy, Washington D.C., U.S.A.
   174. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, Christchurch, New Zealand
   175. Roderick W. Van Koughnet, BS (Geology), MS (Geology (Geophysics), Wright State University), Senior Geoscientist, L&M Petroleum, Wellington, New Zealand
   176. Gösta Walin, Professor, i oceanografi, Earth Science Center, Göteborg University, Göteborg, Sweden
   177. Neil Waterhouse, PhD (Physics, Thermal, Electronic Properties of Materials, Precise Temperature Measurement), retired, National research Council, Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   178. Anthony Watts, ItWorks/IntelliWeather, Founder, surfacestation s.org, Chico, California, U.S.A.
   179. Gerd-Rainer Weber, PhD, Consulting Meteorologist, Essen, Germany
   180. Jack Wedel, BS (Geography), Arctic Hydrology, retired, Environment Canada, Keewatin, Ontario, Canada
   181. Forese-Carlo Wezel, Professor of Stratigraphy (global and Mediterranean geology, mass biotic extinctions and paleoclimatology), University of Urbino, Urbino, Italy
   182. Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland
   183. David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Virginia, U.S.A.
   184. Arnold Woodruff, M.Sc. (Atmospheric Physics, U.C.W.Aberystwyth), B.Sc. (Physics, Durham), Terrestrial & Spaceborne Exploration Geophysics, Consultant Geophysicist, Woodruff Exploration & Production Ltd., Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, U.K.
   185. Chris Yakymyshyn, PhD, MS, BS (EE/Physics), Instrumentation, Vice President Technology, Field Metrics Inc., Seminole, Florida, U.S.A.
   186. Roger Young, BS, MS, D.I.C. F.G.S., Geophysics, Geophysical Consultant, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
   187. Josef Zboril, MSc. (Chemistry), Board Member, Confederation of Industry, Prague, Czech Republic
   188. A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy

7. HLP
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink

   Dearest Apophis,

   QUALIFIED ENDORSERS NOT AT CONFERENCE
   The following individuals, all well-trained in science and technology or climate change-related economics and policy, have allowed their names to be listed as endorsing the Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change:

   1. Bernard Abrams, MA (Natural Sciences, University of Cambridge), Cheltenham, United Kingdom
   2. Amesh A. Adalja, MD, Fellow, Division of Infectious Diseases, University of Pittsburgh, Butler, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   3. Hal Adams, MSc (Geophysics, University of Kentucky), 33 years geophysicist, Katy, Texas, U.S.A.
   4. Göran Ahlgren, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Consultant, CEO, Stockholm, Sweden
   5. Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired Vice-Chancellor and President, University of Canberra, now residing in Yarralumla, Australian Capital Territory, Australia
   6. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD, Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A.
   7. Bruce Alexander, BSc (Geology, University of Alberta), geology, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   8. William J. R. Alexander PrEng, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, Honorary Fellow, South African Institution of Civil Engineering, South Africa
   9. Jim Allard, MS (Electrical Engineering, Audio Signal Processing), CEO, Allard Designs Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   10. Donald Anderson, PhD, Physical Chemist, Manager, Software North LLC, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
   11. Sheal L. Anderson, BS (Forest Mgt., Washington State University), MBA (Forest Industries Mgt., University of Oregon), Forest & Wood Products Management, Anderson & Associates, Inc., Consulting Forester, retired, Port Ludlow, Washington, U.S.A.
   12. Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
   13. Lance Appleby, Dipl. (Computer Science), Software Development Consultant, previously Environment Canada (EC) Upper Air Technician and Surface Observer in the High Arctic, now an EC volunteer climate recorder, Okotoks, Alberta, Canada
   14. Mike Arthur, B.Sc. (Geology), M.Sc., D.I.C. Geophysics, M.Sc. (Reservoir Evaluation & Management (Petroleum Geoengineering)), Geophysicist, Dalgety Bay, Dunfermline, Fife, U.K.
   15. David Atlan, PhD, CEO, PhenoSystems, Molecular Genetics Software, Brussels, Belgium
   16. Alan Azure, Engineer, Computer Software, CIO, OSIA, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
   17. Hartmut Bachman, author (”The lie of the climate catastrophe – Manipulated angst as device for control”, ISBN 978-3-8280-2604-9), Hamburg, Germany
   18. Roger Baekeland, BSc.Eng. (Geology, University of Manitoba), Member of Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   19. Daniel Baker, BS (Computer Science), Telecommunications Tech, NOC Level 2, Otelco, Bangor, Maine, U.S.A.
   20. John W. Bales, BA, MA, PhD (Mathematics, Modeling), Professor, Tuskegee University, Waverly, Alabama, U.S.A.
   21. Eugene Balfour, BSc (Kinesiology), IT Personnel Recruiter, Senior Recruiter, Asset Computer Personnel, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   22. Peter Ballantyne, PhD (Engineering, Electronics, University of Cambridge); VP R&D, Bell Laboratories (retired), Leamington Spa, United Kingdom
   23. Gregory J. Balle, B.E., MSc., PhD. (Joint Aerospace Engineering and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics), Pukekohe, New Zealand
   24. Keith Barnes, MS (Physics), Aerospace, Sr. Technical Specialist, Northfield, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   25. David L. Barss BSc (Hon. Geology), Professional Geologist (APEGGA), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   26. Romuald Bartnik, PhD (Organic Chemistry), Professor Emeritus, University of Lodz, Lodz, Poland
   27. Don Basso, BSc (Geology), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   28. Joe Bastardi, BSc, (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State), meteorologist, State College, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   29. Matthew Bastardi, BSc (Meteorology, Texas A and M University), Florida, U.S.A.
   30. John Stanley Beard, MA., BSc, D.Phil (Oxon), Australia
   31. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg, Germany
   32. Donald L. Bell, PE, BS (Engineering Technology, Murray State University), Chief Engineer, KenAmerican Resources, Inc., Central City, Kentucky, U.S.A.
   33. David Bellamy, OBE, English botanist, author, broadcaster, environmental campaigner, Hon. Professor of Botany (Geography), University of Nottingham, Hon. Prof. Faculty of Engineering and Physical Systems, Central Queensland University, Hon. Prof. of Adult and Continuing Education, University of Durham, United Nations Environment Program Global 500 Award Winner, Dutch Order of The Golden Ark, Bishop Auckland County, Durham, U.K.
   34. Desmond Benfield, C.Chem, MRSC, retired, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   35. Walter Benstead, BS (Honors Geology), Geoscientist, Professional consultant, Benstead Geological Services Ltd., Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   36. Andre Bernier, Meteorologist, WJW-TV, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.
   37. Sally Bernier, Meteorologist, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.
   38. Jennifer Christine Bevan, Geologist and university science museum senior curator, Perth, Australia
   39. Glenn C. Van Bever, Esq., BS (Civil Engineering, University of Kentucky), BS (Mining Engineering, University of Kentucky), Doctorate of Juris (University of Kentucky), General Counsel, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Lexington, Kentucky, U.S.A.
   40. M.I. Bhat, Professor (Tectonics, Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Kashmir), Sprinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, India
   41. Paul Biggs, BSc (Hons. Biological Sciences), CR United Kingdom Institute for Cancer Studies, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham, United Kingdom
   42. John Blethen, PhD (Physics) , Nuclear Physicist, Ely, Nevada, U.S.A.
   43. Frederick Bobiasz, B.Eng., LLB, LLM, Law, retired, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   44. Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, Hull, United Kingdom
   45. Scott Boman, B.Sc., MA (Physics, Western Michigan University), Professor, Macomb Community College and Wayne Community College District, Detroit, Michigan, U.S.A.
   46. Frederick Bopp, PhD (Geology), Environmental Consulting, Owner, Earth Quest, Downingtown, Pennsylvania. U.S.A.
   47. Christoph C. Borel, PhD, Electrical & Computer Engineer, Callaway, Ohio, U.S.A.
   48. Clyde I. Borrell, PE, BS (Civil Engineering, University of Colorado); Manager of Engineering, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   49. Lynne Bourque, BA (Environmental Science), MS (Engineering, Environmental Studies), Littleton, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   50. Stephen Bourque, BSEE, MSEE; Senior Electrical Engineer, Object Engineering, Littleton, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   51. Albert Boykiw, M.B.A., P.ENG, Energy Specialist, President, Boykiw & Company, Alberta, Canada
   52. John Brand, MS (IST), Information Technology, ISSE, George Washington University, Ashburn, Virginia, U.S.A.
   53. Jim Brasher, MS (Geology, Texas A&M), Member of AAPG, Technical Lead for Middle East/North Africa Business Development for ConocoPhillips, Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
   54. Ian Brasslett, BS (Physics), Telecommunications, Network Operations, University of Maine, Bangor, U.S.A.
   55. Phillip Bratby, BSc, PhD, Energy consultancy, Tiverton, Devon, England, United Kingdom
   56. James Brennand, MIEEE, Electrical Engineering, Ex Electrical Manager, IPSCO, retired, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
   57. Bill Brent, BSc (Electrical Engineering), Technical Writer, Portland, Oregon, U.S.A.
   58. John Brignell, BSc (Eng.), PhD, Professor Emeritus of Industrial Instrumentation, University of Southampton, Southampton, United Kingdom
   59. John Brodie, BASc., MASc. (Metallurgical), P.Eng., Director Environmental Affairs, British Columbia Railway Co., Surrey, BC, Canada
   60. James Brooks, BS, PhD, Geophysics, Adelaide, Australia
   61. John W. Brosnahan, Vanderpool, Texas, U.S.A., Research Physicist (Atmospheric Remote Sensing), atmospheric science consultant, founder of Signal Hill Research, LLC., former President of Alpha/Power, Inc., founder of LaSalle Research Inc., founder of Tycho Technology Inc.
   62. Atholl Sutherland Brown, PhD (Geology, Princeton University), Regional geology, tectonics and mineral deposits, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   63. Douglas Alan Brown, PE (Engineering and Management), Douglas A Brown Consultants, Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
   64. Terry Brown, BSc, Chemical Engineering, partner, ParCon Consulting, Marblehead, Maryland, U.S.A.
   65. Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D., D.Sc., D.Engr., Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research Emeritus Prof. of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   66. James Buckee, PhD (astrophysics), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   67. Dave Bufalo, Professional Engineer (Civil Engineering, retired), Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
   68. Ronald L. Burdette, BS (Mining Engineering, West Virginia University), Manager of Engineering and Chief Engineer, American Energy Corporation, Beallsville, Ohio, U.S.A.
   69. Frank Bures, Professional Engineer – Electronics, High Power Computing, Supercomputing, Manager, Electronics & Computing Facility, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   70. Tony Burns, BE Chem Eng (Hon 1), PhD Chem Eng (Gas Diffusion), Q-Skills, U.S.A.
   71. Everett Burts, PhD (Biological Science), Insect pest management, Professor (retired), Washington State University, Wenatchee, Washington, U.S.A.
   72. Thomas P. Byrne, Ph.D., Engineering, Investment, retired, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   73. Fred V. Byther, B.S. (Geology), Vice President of Exploration and a co-founder of Oracle Resources Ltd, Dallas, Texas
   74. Patrick D. Caldwell, MS, geology, writer, Quailwood Associates, Knoxville, Tennessee, U.S.A.
   75. Jorge Calvache, M.Sc. (Geosciences), Houston, TX, U.S.A.
   76. Thomas Calvert, B.Sc. (Mech Eng.), P. Eng., retired, Oakville, Ontario, Canada
   77. Nels Carlson, P.Geol., CEO Energy Venture Inc, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   78. Jeff H. Carlton, BS (Mechanical Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology); Manager, Longwall Equipment, American Energy Corporation, Beallsville, Ohio, U.S.A.
   79. Craig Carmichael, B.Sc., D.C., Internet Provider, Owner, silonet.ca, Port Hope, Ontario, Canada
   80. Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada
   81. Seymour Caruthers, Engineer, Nuclear Science, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   82. Richard Ceen, BS (Electronic Engineering), BS (Physical Oceanography), FIMarEST, MIET, Marine Engineering, Liquid Gas Transportation, Technical Director, Seatechnik Ltd., Hawarden, United Kingdom
   83. David Chabot, Software Engineer, Québec, Québec, Canada
   84. John Chapman, BSc, FCIM, P.Eng, Geology and Mining, Business Principal, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   85. Alan Cheetham, M.A.Sc., Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
   86. Peter Cherniavsky, BEng (Mechanical, UBC), past President and Chairman, BC Sugar Refining Co., Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   87. Michael N. Chernoff, P. Geol. (Alberta) and a P.Eng. (BC), 50 years working geologist, West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   88. George V. Chilingar, PhD, Professor, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering of Engineering, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.
   89. Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor (isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology), Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   90. James Clarke, BS (Meteorology), TV-Meteorologist, WZVN-TV, Ft. Myers, Florida, U.S.A.
   91. Charles A. Clough, BS (Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), MS (Atmospheric Science, Texas Tech University), former (to 2006) Chief of the US Army Atmospheric Effects Team at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland; now residing in Bel Air, Maryland, U.S.A.
   92. Michael Clover, PhD (experimental nuclear physics); Computer Simulation, Senior Scientist, Science Applications International Corp., San Diego, California, U.S.A.
   93. Kevin R. Coffman, BS (Geology), Geologist, Vice-President Exploration, Protégé Energy, LLC E&P Company, Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
   94. Jeremy Colman, BS, PhD, Perth, Western Australia
   95. Martin Coniglio, Meteorologist, KUSA-TV, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
   96. Ted Cooper, B.A. (Geology,), M.B.A., retired, Powell River, British Colombia, Canada
   97. Paul Copper, BSc, MSc, PhD, DIC, FRSC, Professor Emeritus, Department of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
   98. Allan Cortese, meteorological researcher and spotter for the National Weather Service, retired computer professional, Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   99. Gerry Crawford, PhD (Engineering), P.Eng., Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
   100. William Crawford, B.Sc. P.Eng., Metallurgical Engineering, retired, Cobourg, Ontario, Canada
   101. Susan Crockford, PhD (Zoology/Evolutionary Biology/Archaeozoology), Adjunct Professor (Anthropology/Faculty of Graduate Studies), University of Victoria, Victoria, British Colombia, Canada
   102. Edmund M. Cudworth, MBA, MS (Physics), electrochemistry, CEO, Electrolytic Technologies Corp, Miami, Florida, U.S.A.
   103. Claude Culross, PhD (Organic Chemistry), retired, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, U.S.A.
   104. Lester Currie, MSc (Geology), retired, Pender Island, British Columbia, Canada
   105. Dalcio K. Dacol, PhD (physics, University of California at Berkeley), physicist at the US Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.
   106. Dave Dahl, BSc (Meteorology, Florida State University), Chief Meteorologist, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS/KSTP-TV, Saint Paul, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   107. Ronald Arthur Davidson, BSc, MD, MPH, ABPM (AM), CD, National Security Infrastructure Partnership, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   108. Willem De Lange, PhD, MSc(Hons), Dphil (Computer and Earth Sciences), Senior Lecturer in Earth and Ocean Sciences, Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand
   109. David C. DeGagne, BSc, C.E.T, Vice President Corporate Development, Noise Solutions Inc, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   110. James DeMeo, Ph.D. (University of Kansas, Geography, Climate, Environmental Science), retired University Professor, now in Private Research, Ashland, Oregon, U.S.A.
   111. David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma, Norman, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
   112. Paolo DePetrillo, MD, BS (Biology), MD, Private equity, General Partner, Bethesda, Maryland, U.S.A.
   113. Roger Dewhurst, M.App.Sc, Environmental Geology, Geologist, Auckland, New Zealand
   114. Robin Dobos, PhD, Animal Science, modelling, Armidale, New South Wales, Australia
   115. Drew Dodd, BS (Mechanical Engineering), Manager, Process Research and Development, Corning, Inc., Hickory, North Carolina, U.S.A.
   116. Charles Dougherty, B. Eng. (Mechanical Engineering – South Dakota School of Mines and Technology), Engineering Manager (retired), E I DuPont DeNemours and Co Inc, Pennsylvania, currently residing in Garnet Valley, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   117. Floyd Doughty, MS (University of Florida), Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
   118. Mark Duchamp, Renewable Energy Manager, Iberica 2000, Partida La Sella, Spain
   119. Jonathan DuHamel, BS (Geological Engineering) MS (Geology), Mineral Exploration & Development, Tucson, Arizona, U.S.A.
   120. Michael Dunn, BS, MS, MAA (aeronautics & astronautics), defense industry, system engineer, The Boeing Company, Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.
   121. Robert Durrenberger, PhD, former Arizona State Climatologist and President of the American Association of State Climatologists, Professor Emeritus of Geography, Arizona State University; Sun City, Arizona, U.S.A..
   122. Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, New Jersey, U.S.A.
   123. Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University, Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A.
   124. Timothy J. Eddy, BS (Electrical Engineering Technology, Fairmont State College), Mine Manager and Superintendent, American Energy Corporation, Beallsville, Ohio, U.S.A.
   125. Geoffrey Edwards, BSc Hons, Retired, Bromsgrove, United Kingdom
   126. Theo Eichten, PhD; Managing Director, Yoshihiro Tsunemi, Ismaning, Munich, Germany
   127. John Elliot, BSc (Chemistry and Geology), M Sc (Geology, University of Auckland), Diploma in Geoscience (mineral economics, Macquarie University, NSW), Anzeco Pty. Limited, mineral exploration consulting services, Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
   128. Robert Ellison, BE (Honours), MEnSc, MIEAust, CPEng, RPEQ, Robert Ellison and Associates Pty Ltd, New Farm, Queensland, Australia
   129. Lance Endersbee, AO, Emeritus Professor, former Dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Past President – Engineers Australia, Frankston, Victoria, Australia
   130. Per Engene, PhD, Biologist, Valenvegen, Norway
   131. Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A.
   132. David Evans, PhD (EE), MSc (Stat), MSc (EE), MA (Math), BE (EE), BSc, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of ‘Science Speak’, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   133. Gerald D. Fankhauser, AS (Electronic Technology), BS (Engineering Technology, Franklin University), Chief Electrical Engineer, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   134. Oscar Fann, College Degree, Media (television), Chief Meteorologist, WTVY-TV (CBS), Dothan, Alabama, U.S.A.
   135. Donald W. Farley, P.Eng, M.Eng. (Water Resources Engineering & Hydrology), Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
   136. Julie Fasano, Professor, Anatomy & Physiology and Biology, Germanna Community College, Fredericksburg, Virginia, U.S.A.
   137. Bob Fernley, HNC Engineering (Mechanical and Production), Mechanical Engineering, retired, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
   138. Eduardo Ferreyra, Founder, Climate Researcher and Web Master – Argentinean Foundation for a Scientific Ecology, Córdoba, Argentina
   139. Karel Ferus, BSc, Market Research, VP Information Technology, Matrix Research Limited, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   140. Charles Festel, BS, Web Program Manager, US Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of Research and Development, Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   141. David Fieghen, Professional Engineer, Independent Program Consultant, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   142. David J. Finney, BTech, MRSC, C Chemistry, Food Technologist & Ice Chemist, Tauranga, New Zealand
   143. David John Finney, BTech, CChem, MRSC, Ice / Ice Cream Technology, Unilever PLC Senior Scientist (retired), Tauranga, New Zealand
   144. Robin Flockton, President SD&G Certified Forest Owners Inc. and Glengarry Public Affairs Forum, Apple Hill, Ontario, Canada
   145. Arthur Lloyd Flood, BSc (Geological Engineering, University of Saskatchewan), Director and Treasurer, Friends of Science, Director, Owner CEL (an international private exploration company), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   146. Charles Folland, BSc, Soil Scientist, Abbotsham, Bideford, Devon, United Kingdom
   147. John R. Forrelli, B. Eng. (mining engineering, West Virginia University), Vice President, Engineering, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   148. Derek Foster, BS, Technical Publications, retired, Nottingham, United Kingdom
   149. Robert Jacomb Foster, BE (Adelaide University), palaeoclimatologist and energy economist, Director Lavoisier Group; past Councillor Royal Society of Victoria and Victorian Institute of Marine Science, Melbourne, Australia
   150. Louis Fowler, BS (Mathematics), MA (Physics), 33 years in environmental measurements (Ambient Air Quality Measurements), Austin, Texas, U.S.A.
   151. George Freedman, Doctorate, Dentistry, Professor, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   152. James Freeman, BSc (Operations Research and Computer Analysis), Pilot, Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.
   153. John A. Freeman, Jr., Medical Doctor, Radiology, Private Practice, Venice, Florida, U.S.A.
   154. Norm Froman, BS (Geology), MS (Geostatics), President – Geotechnologies Inc., Raleigh, North Carolina, U.S.A.
   155. Stan Frost, BSc (Engineering Physics), Radiation & Environmental Protection, Safety, Former VP, Environment & Safety, Cameco Corp.; Current chairman – Saskatchewan Radiation Health & Safety Committee, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
   156. Kenton Fuller, BS, M.EngSc (Environmental Engineering), MRACI (Member The Royal Australian Chemical Institute Inc.), Chartered Chemist, Chemical Industry Assoc, CEO, retired, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
   157. Brian Gallagher, Engineer, MBA, Consultant, Pointe Claire, Québec, Canada
   158. Michel Ganivet, PhD, Energy, Vice Président, Société Française D’énergie Nucléaire, Aix en Provence, France
   159. Rigoberto Garcia, MC, Climate Change and Urban Sustainability, Doctorate Student, El Colegio de México, México City, DF, México
   160. George Gaskin, BSc (Eng), retired, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   161. Roger F. Gay, MSBE (Master of Science in Bioengineering, Texas A&M University), Stockholm, Sweden (US citizen)
   162. Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey, U.S.A.
   163. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor, Dr. rer. nat. Dipl.Phys., Mathematical Physics, Universitätsprofessor a. D., Inst. f. Math. Physik der TU Braunschweig, Braunschweig, Germany
   164. Emma Gibbs, PhD, Neuroscientist, Director, International Climate Science Coalition, London, United Kingdom/New Zealand
   165. R. Perry Glaister, PhD (Geology, Northwestern University, Illinois), B.Sc. (Geology), Research Scientist (retired), Esso Resources Canada Ltd., Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   166. Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, ScAgr, Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, Tropical pasture research and land use management, INTTAS, Asunción, Paraguay
   167. Ken Godard, PhD (Chemical Engineer), retired, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   168. Harry Goff, B.Sc. (Hons), MBA, Dip Ag, Grad Dip OSH, Environmental Manager, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   169. Michael Goguen, Engineering Technology, RF & Fibre Optics Calibration, Senior Metrologist, Anritsu, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   170. Indur M. Goklany, PhD (Electrical Eng, Michigan State University), climate policy analyst, Vienna, Virginia, U.S.A.
   171. Wayne Goodfellow, PhD (Earth Science), Ocean Evolution, Paleoenvironments, Adjunct Professor, Senior Research Scientist, University of Ottawa, Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   172. Elizabeth Goodnough, BS, (Geological Engineering), Environmental Engineering, Director of Regulatory Affairs, Western Fuels-Wyoming, Inc., Gillette, Wyoming, U.S.A.
   173. Al Gordon, PEng, GR Petrology Consultants Inc, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   174. Matt Gose, Geologist, Energy Exploration, VP Exploration, Retamco Operating, Red Lodge, Montana, U.S.A.
   175. Roger Graves, Ph.D. (Physics), Software development, President, Davion Systems Ltd, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   176. David Gray, PhD (Electrical Engineering, Stanford University), Electromagnetic Wave Transmission (in Atmosphere, and fiber), Assistant Professor Engineering, Messiah College, Grantham, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   177. Mark Gray, B.Sc. (University of Waterloo), Information Technology, President, Ethix Consulting Ltd., Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   178. Thomas B. Gray, MS, Meteorology, retired, USAF, Yachats, Oregon, U.S.A.
   179. Wayne Greer, MD, STAEDTLER (NZ) LTD, Auckland, New Zealand
   180. Ken Gregory, P.Eng., BA (Applied Science – Mechanical Engineering, University of British Columbia), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   181. Brad Griffeth, BS (Atmospheric Science), transportation forecasting, Grand Forks, North Dakota, U.S.A.
   182. George E. Grimshaw, B. Eng. (mining engineering, Pennsylvania State University), Preparation Engineer, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   183. Arne W. Gronhaug, Cand. Real (MSc equivalent, University of Oslo), consulting geologist (retired), Norwegian Road Research Laboratory, Oslo, Norway
   184. Christopher Gross, BA (Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics), Computer Technology and Meteorology, Data Center Administrator, West Babylon, New York, U.S.A.
   185. Luigi Guarino, MS (Aerospace Engineer), Singapore City, Singapore
   186. Amlan Gupta, B. Eng. (Mech), MBA, President, CG2 NanoCoatings Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
   187. Alois Haas, PhD, DSc., Professor Emeritus, nuclear chemistry, University of Zurich, President – Swiss Society Paracelsus, Switzerland
   188. Luther Haave, BSc (Physics, University of Alberta), 40 years working in broadcast engineering, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
   189. Magnus Hagelstam, Engineer, IT, Self-employed, Sjundea, Finland
   190. Kevin Haidl, BSc. (Chemistry, University of British Columbia), BA (Philosophy, University of British Columbia), software developer, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   191. Dave Haisell, BSc, PAg, Education, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
   192. Mark Hall, PhD, Engineer, Senior Mechanical Engineer, Midlothian, Texas, U.S.A.
   193. Matthew M. Hammer, Geophysicist, Corpus Christi, Texas, U.S.A.
   194. Charles Hammons, PhD (Applied Mathematics), systems/software engineering, modeling & simulation, design, Consultant, Coyle, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
   195. Ted Hanbury, M.Eng., Nuclear Design, retired, Burlington, Ontario, Canada
   196. Douglas Hansen, BS (Geology), MS (Mining Eng.), Global Air Pollution, retired, Bellevue, Washington, U.S.A.
   197. John Harper, BS (Chemical Engineering), Seal Beach, California, U.S.A.
   198. Raymond Harper, C.Eng, M.I.C.E., M.I.H.T., Local Authority, retired, Swindon, United Kingdom
   199. Robert Harrell, BS (Chemical Engineering), Environment Mgr, retired, GA. Institute of Technology, Brevard, North Carolina, U.S.A.
   200. Peter Harris, retired engineer, Eumundi, Queensland, Australia
   201. Ted Harris, B Eng. (Civil, McGill University, Montreal), retired, Ottawa, Canada
   202. James Harris, B.Sc. (Electrical Engineering), Video Specialist, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   203. Ian Hart, Engineer, Lancashire, United Kingdom
   204. René Hartman, Bachelor in Electrics/Electronics, ICT, owner HAC-Maarssen, Maarssen, The Netherlands
   205. John Hathway, BS (Chem. Eng.), Oil & Gas, Chief Process Consultant, Inst. Of Chemical Engineers, Perth, Western Australia, Australia,
   206. Michael Haylen, BA, Masters (Environmental Studies), Environmental Earth Science, New South Wales, Australia
   207. Ross Hays, Atmospheric Scientist, NASA Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility, Palestine, Texas, U.S.A.
   208. David Heath, Master of Engineering, Consulting, President, Summerland, British Columbia, Canada
   209. D. Hebert, PhD, Faculty for Chemistry and Physics, Institut fur Angewandte Physik, Freiberg, Germany
   210. Wilfried Heck, Dipl. Ingenieur, Elektrotechnik, Darmstadt, Germany
   211. Roy A. Heidelbach, BS (Mining Engineering, West Virginia University); Assistant Vice President, Operations, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   212. Allen M. Heinrich, MS (Geology), Consultant, Petrolific Exploration, Castle Rock, Colorado, U.S.A.
   213. Kurt Helin, M.Sc., Engineering, Self-employed, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   214. Peter Heller, PhD (Astrophysics), Consultant, Lehrte, Niedersachsen, Germany,
   215. Roger Helmer, BA, MA (Mathematics, Cambridge University), MEP (British Conservative Member of the European Parliament (sits on the “Temporary Committee on Climate Change”)), Brussels, Belgium
   216. Svend-Erik Hendriksen, Nobel Peace Prize recipient 1988, Greenland Art Review (GLAR), weather observer (Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI)), Kangerlussuaq, Greenland
   217. Thomas Heuse, Geologist, Dr. rer. nat., Regional Geology, Research Assistant, Geological Survey of Thuringia, Jena/Weimar, Thuringia, Germany
   218. Malcolm Heymer, BS (Civil Engineering), MS (Transportation Engineering, Leeds University, England), Dereham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
   219. David W. Hibbs, BS (Mining Engineering), Master of Mining Engineering (University of Kentucky), Director, Engineering, Utah American Energy Inc., Price, Utah, U.S.A.
   220. Acle Hicks, BS, MS (Physics, University of California, Los Angeles), Laser Technology, Engineering Director, Coherent Laser, Inc, retired, Cupertino, California U.S.A.
   221. Hug Hienz, PhD, (Chemistry, University of Mainz, Germany), former Professor of Organic Chemistry and Analytical Chemistry, Germany
   222. Paul B. Hill, BS (Civil Engineering, University of Illinois); President and Chief Executive Officer, Utah American Energy, Inc., Price, Utah, U.S.A.
   223. Dale Hill, MS (Nuclear Chemistry, OSU), Inertial Confinement Fusion, Scientist V, General Atomics, San Diego, California, U.S.A.
   224. Ian Hilliar, MB, BS, General Medicine, GP Sanctuary Point, New South Wales, Australia
   225. Ted Hinds, BS (Engineering Science), MS (Atmospheric Science), PhD (Physical Ecology, U. Washington, Seattle), Quantitative empirical analyses regarding climatological, meteorological, and ecological responses to environmental stresses, consultant for USA EPA research on global climate change program. Senior Research Scientist, retired, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Richland, Washington, U.S.A.
   226. Louis Hissink M.Sc. M.A.I.G., Editor, AIG News and Consulting Geologist, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   227. Mark Hladik, Geophysicist, Consultant, Casper, Wyoming, U.S.A.
   228. Jeffrey Hoback, BS (Mechanical Engineering), Information Technology, Engineer, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   229. James Hofmann, MD, BS (Biology), Anesthesiology, Assistant Professor, University of Toledo, Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
   230. Jason Hoskin, BS (Cell and Molecular Biology, University of Nevada, Las Vegas), MS (Experimental and Molecular Pathology, University Southern California, Texas Tech University) Lubbock, Texas, U.S.A.
   231. Stanley M. Howard, PhD (Metallurgical Engineering (chemical processing focus)), Professor of Materials and Metallurgical Engineering, South Dakota School of Mines and Technology, Rapid City, South Dakota, U.S.A.
   232. Steven Howard, BS (Engineering Science), MS (Electrical Engineering), business computer systems developer, Burlington, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   233. Dave Howard, Electronics Engineering, Industrial Communications, President, Nexus Technologies Group, Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada
   234. Bill Howell, Bachelor of Applied Science (Chemical Engineering, University of Calgary), Master of Applied Science (Chemical Engineering, University of Ottawa), Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   235. Alexander Hrin, Graduate Student (Applied Physics, Colorado School of Mines), Golden, Colorado, U.S.A.
   236. William Hudnall, BS (Civil Engineering), BS (Petroleum Engineering), Juris Doctor, Attorney, Self Employed, Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A.
   237. Warwick S. Hughes, MSc Hon. (University of Auckland, New Zealand), geologist (retired), Canberra, Australia
   238. Ole Humlum, PhD, Physical Geography, Professor, University of Oslo, Norway
   239. Mark A. Hurt, MD, Creve Coeur, Missouri, U.S.A.
   240. Clayton Hunt, BSc (Geography/Geology), retired Oil and Gas Analytical Laboratory, Breton, Alberta, Canada
   241. Alan Hunter, RPF (Registered Professional Forester), Quesnel, British Colombia, Canada
   242. Peter Hunter, FCOptom, Optometrist, Practice Owner, Aerospace, Senior Engineer, Bombardier, Inc., Leeds, United Kingdom,
   243. P. Michael Hutchins, BS (Pure Math), MS (Computer Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   244. Steve Hynek, BS (Meteorology), Air Quality, Air Quality Analyst, Dairyland Power Cooperative, La Crosse, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   245. Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A.
   246. Elizabeth Innes, PhD, Scientist, Senior Chemist, Health Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   247. Colin Jack, BSEE, Director of Engineering, Dixie Escalante REA, St. George, Utah, U.S.A.
   248. Barrie Jackson, Associate Professor, Chemical Engineering, Queen’s University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada
   249. Derryck Jackson, owner, certified green hydro-electric plants (4), President, Executive House Power Corp., Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   250. Albert F. Jacobs, MS, P.Geology, retired geologist, co-founder Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   251. Richard Jaworski, BSc, MSc, DIC, Geology, Consultant, London, United Kingdom
   252. Dennis Jensen, BS (Applied Physics) RMIT, MSc (Melbourne), PhD (Monash), Physics, Materials Science, Defence Analysis, Previously Research Scientist (CSIRO and DSTO), Member of Parliament, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   253. Jorgen Jensen, MS (Civil/Structural), Consulting Engineer, President, Villholth Jensen & Assoc. Ltd., North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   254. Marc Jeric, MS, PhD, Engineering, retired, Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.A.
   255. Marc Jeric, MS, PhD (University of California, Los Angeles), Engineering, retired, Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.A.
   256. David Jezeph, BS, MS, Water Resources, Chief, UN Regional Commission, retired, Bangkok, Thailand
   257. Kendall Johnson, PhD (Physics), Infrared Calibration Engineer, Space Synamics Laboratory, North Logan, Utah, U.S.A.
   258. Rick Johnson, MS (Economics), Government Policy, Senior Economist, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
   259. Simon Johnson, M.Sc., Geologist, Company Director, Auckland, New Zealand
   260. Terrell Johnson, BS (Zoology), MS (Wildlife & Range Resources), Air & Water Quality, Principal Environmental Engineer, Green River, Wyoming, U.S.A.
   261. Clifford Johnson, MSc, Geology, retired, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   262. Andrew Johnson, B.E.Sc. (Civil), M.Eng. (Structural), MBA, Consulting Engineering (Structural Engineer), Senior Structural Engineer & Senior Project Lead, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
   263. Marion K. Jones, Consulting Petroleum Geologist, Billings, Montana, U.S.A.
   264. Lloyd Jones, BSc, IT Consulting Practice, West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   265. William Junga, PhD (Economics), Economic Forecasting, Economist, Bill Junga Economics, Waterbury, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   266. Adri Kalisvaart, MSEE (electrical), engineer, car engine pressure transducer specialist, Lincoln, Rhode Island, U.S.A.
   267. Charles R. Kaluger, Chief Engineer and Manager of Transportation, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   268. Bill Kappel, BS (Physical Science-Geology), BS (Meteorology), Storm Analysis, Climatology, Operation Forecasting, Vice President/Senior Meteorologist for Applied Weather Associates, LLC, University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, U.S.A.
   269. Erik Kari, BS (Industrial Technology), Director of Operations, Ramsey, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   270. Wibjörn Karlén, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
   271. Joel M. Kauffman, PhD (Organic Chemistry, M.I.T.), Professor of Chemistry Emeritus, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   272. Donald Kautz, PhD (Engineering Safety), MPH, MBA, MS, Industrial Hygiene Safety Officer, Arizona Department of Health Services, Phoenix, U.S.A.
   273. David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, Whakatane, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand
   274. Harald Kehl, PD Dr. rer. nat., Ecosystem Analysis, Lecturer, Researcher, Berlin, Germany
   275. Ray Kester, BSc (Engineering), Masters (Engineering), Kincardine, Ontario, Canada
   276. Leonid Khilyuk, PhD, Professor of Engineering, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.
   277. Jack B. King, EE (University of Detroit), Systems Integrator, President, King Associates, Irvine, California, U.S.A.
   278. Robert E. Kissick, BS (Agronomy, Kansas State University), retired, Lindsborg, Kansas, U.S.A.
   279. Dietrich E. Koelle, PhD, Systems Engineering Consultant (Paleoclimate, Climate Cycles), Ottobrunn, Germany
   280. Jan J.H. Kop, MSc, Ceng, FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Professor of Sanitary Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands
   281. R.W.J. Kouffeld, PhD, Emeritus Professor – Energy Conversion, Technical University Delft, Driebergen, The Netherlands
   282. James Kramer, MS (Physics, University of Wisconsin), Computer Software Development Consultant, Nobilo Technology, Albany, Oregon, U.S.A.
   283. Gerhard Kramm, Dr. rer. nat. (Meteorology), Theoretical Meteorology, Research Faculty, Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A.
   284. Robert P. Kudlawiec, PE, BS (Mining Engineering, Pennsylvania State University), MBA (Wheeling University), Manager Environmental Compliance, Ohio American Energy Inc, Wheeling, West Virginia, U.S.A.
   285. Joseph Kunc, PhD, Molecular Physics, Professor, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, U.S.A.
   286. Victor Kutcher, BS, MBA, DDS, DPerio, Dentistry, Burlington, Ontario, Canada
   287. Olav M. Kvalheim, Professor, Department of Chemistry, Univ. of Bergen, Bergen, Norway
   288. Cornelis Kwantes, retired mining/petroleum engineer (Technical University, Delft, The Netherlands), Dordogne, France
   289. Nicholas Kydonieus, MS (Chemical Engineering); Chemical Engineering Research, retired, West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A.
   290. Kathleen R. Lack, Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, Barnardsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.
   291. Edwin D. Lane, BS (Mechanical Engineering, University of Missouri at Rolla/Missouri); Vice President, Sales, The American Coal Sales Company, Lexington, Kentucky, U.S.A.
   292. Rune B. Larsen, PhD (Geology, Geochemistry), Associate Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), Trondheim, Norway
   293. Geoffery Larsen, BSc, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
   294. Carol Law, MS (Geochemistry), International Oil and Gas Exploration, Manager, Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
   295. Ross D. Lawrence, BASc (Geological Engineering), P.Eng, Principal Consultant, Watts, Griffis & McOuat, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   296. Rod Lawry, BSc (Met) RMIT, Process Design & Management, Project Manager, SDF P/L, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   297. The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, United Kingdom
   298. Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, President – Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   299. Lee Morrison, BE (Geol), Geologist and engineer, retired Member of Parliament, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   300. James Lee, BASc. P.Eng, Oil Industry, retired, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
   301. Donald Leenknegt, Master of Physics, Bierbeek-Lovenjoel, Vlaams-Brabant, Belgium
   302. Daniel A. LePage, BSc (Biology, University of Saskatchewan), Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
   303. Peter C. LePort, MD, Fountain Valley, California, U.S.A.
   304. Barry E. Lerner, BS, MA, DPM, JD, Rye, New York, U.S.A.
   305. Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, France
   306. John Levings, BS (Geology/Geophysics, University of Tasmania), The Gap, Queensland, Australia
   307. John David Lewis, PhD, Research Scholar in History and Classics, Social Philosophy and Policy center, Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, Ohio, U.S.A.
   308. Bryan Leyland, M.Sc., FIEE, FIMechE, FIPENZ, MRSNZ, consulting engineer (power), Secretary – International Climate Science Coalition, Auckland, New Zealand
   309. Tom Lidkea, BASc, MASc, Environmental Engineering, retired, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   310. Edward Liebsch, MS (Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University), BA (Earth Science & Chemistry, St. Cloud State University), Air Quality, Meteorology, Senior Air Quality Scientist, HDR, Inc., Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   311. Alan Limmer, PhD (Chemistry), Fellow, New Zealand Institute of Chemists, Hastings, New Zealand
   312. Jeff Limón, MS (Electrical Engineering), Technology, Patent Agent, Hewlett-Packard, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.
   313. William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting Geologist and Company Director, Tiburon, California, U.S.A.
   314. George M. Lindsay, BSc, PhD (Metal Physics), Kinross, Scotland
   315. Peter Link, BS, MS, PhD (Geology, Climatology), Geol/Paleoclimatology, retired, Active in Geol-paleoclimatology, Tulsa University and Industry, Evergreen, Colorado, U.S.A.
   316. Endel Lippmaa, Prof.Dr.habil (Physics, Chemistry), Chairman – Energy Council of the Estonian Academy of Science, Tallinn, Estonia
   317. John Llewellyn, Meteorology, Airport Meteorologist, NOAA NWS (USWB), retired, Ellensburg, WA, U.S.A.
   318. Keith Lockitch, PhD (Physics, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee), Science and Environmental Policy, Resident Fellow, Ayn Rand Institute, Irvine, California, U.S.A.
   319. Eddy Lumpit, Environmental Earth Scientist, New South Wales, Australia
   320. Gary Lund, PhD (Inorganic Chemistry), R&D, Staff Scientist, Autoliv, North America, Malad City, Idaho, U.S.A.
   321. Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Department of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri, U.S.A.
   322. Robert Lupone, Electrical Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Biomed. Tech., Hospital of St. Raphael, New Haven, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   323. Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, author of papers about the role of the Sun in the Earth’s climate dynamics and biographer of Rhodes W. Fairbridge, Canberra, Australia
   324. Alex MacMillan, PhD, Economics, Professor, Queen’s School of Business & St. Lawrence College, retired, Kingston, Ontario, Canada
   325. Allan M.R. MacRae, BS, M. Eng., P. Eng., Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   326. Edward J. Mahoney, MS, MEd., Director of Astronomy, Hyatt Regency Maui, Lahaina, Hawaii, U.S.A.
   327. Horst Malberg, PhD, former director of Institute of Meteorology, Free University of Berlin, Germany
   328. Björn Malmgren, PhD, University Professor, Paleoclimate Science, retired, Lerum, Sweden
   329. Emmanuel Malterre, B. Eng., Professional Geophysicist (APEGGA), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   330. John Marshall, Dip. Geosci (Open), retired, Horncastle, Lincolnshire, United Kingdom
   331. Scott Marshall, BS (Computer Science – University of New South Wales), Sydney, Australia
   332. Vegard Martinsen, Cand. Scient. (MS equivalent), Education, Senior adviser Institution, Vox City, Oslo, Norway
   333. Fred Mathis, BSEE, MSCE, San Jose, California, U.S.A.
   334. Shlomo Mayman, S. M. (Nuc. Eng.) M.I.T., Information Technology, Consultant, Mayman Associates, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   335. Malcolm McClure, geologist, Fellow of the Geological Society of London, London, United Kingdom
   336. Robert G. McCrossan, PhD, P. Geol. (APEGGA), Petroleum Geologist, Member of FOS, Cochrane, Alberta, Canada
   337. Les McDonald, RP Bio; Senior Impact Assessment Biologist, BC Environmental Protection (retired); Consulting Aquatic Biologist, Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada
   338. David McEwen, BS E.E., Electronic Service, R.D.O., V.B. Electronics, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   339. Alister McFarquhar, PhD (international economy, Downing College), Cambridge, United Kingdom
   340. Bob McGuire, BA, MSc (University of Montana); retired professional geologist, member of Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   341. John McLean, Post-graduate Diploma of Computer Studies, B. Arch., Climate Data Analyst, Computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia
   342. Donald McMaster, B. Eng. (Electrical), specializing in Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, Electrical Power and Energy Systems, Patents, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   343. Ian L McQueen, BS, MEngSc, Chemical Engineer, Glenwood, New Brunswick, Canada
   344. Rob Meleon, PhD, biochemist, CSO Pepscan, Lelystad, The Netherlands
   345. Eberhard Menzel, PhD, Professor of Electronics and Sensors, Electronics, Gas Sensors, Spectroscopy, Rector, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Dortmund, Dortmund, Germany
   346. Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences, Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   347. Jean-Luc Migue, PhD (Economics), Economic Research, Senior Fellow, Fraser Institute, Québec, Quebec, Canada
   348. Andrew Miklosik, P.Eng., BSc (Mechanical Engineering, University of Toronto), (retired), Member, Friends of Science, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
   349. Dusan Milatovic, BS; Senior Software Engineer, Navigation Systems, Offshore Systems Ltd., Burnaby, British Colombia, Canada
   350. David Miller, MS (Geology), Syracuse University, Syracuse, New York, U.S.A.
   351. Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen’s University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada
   352. Barun S. Mitra, engineering degrees: B.Tech. and PG Diploma, Director, Liberty Institute, focuses on public policy research, advocacy and awareness, New Delhi, India
   353. Asmunn Moene, PhD, MSc (Meteorology), former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Oslo, Norway
   354. H. Michael “Mike” Mogil, Certified Consulting Meteorologist (three decades with NOAA), weather educator and science writer, How the Weatherworks, Naples, Florida, U.S.A.
   355. Gregory B. Mohl, PhD, Geologist, G.B. Mohl Oil and Gas Inc., Red Lodge, Montana 59068
   356. Michael Monce, PhD (Physics), Atomic/Molecular; energy and environment, Prof. Physics, Connecticut College, New London, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   357. Des Moore, LLB (Melbourne University), BSc (Economics (Hons), London School of Economics), Director – Institute for Private Enterprise, life member of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, former Deputy Secretary, Treasury, Government of Australia, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
   358. M. R. Morgan, PhD, Cdr., FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K, now residing in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
   359. Tom Moriarty, MS (Physics), Renewable Energy – Photovoltaics, Senior Scientist, National Renewable Energy Laboratory, Golden, Colorado, U.S.A.
   360. Mark E. Mormino, BS (Mining Engineering, University of Missouri), Chief Engineer, The American Coal Company, Galatia, Illinois, U.S.A.
   361. Nils-Axel Mörner, PhD (Sea Level Changes and Climate), Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
   362. Daryl Morse, B.A.Sc. (Electrical Engineering), P.Eng. Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
   363. Luboš Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
   364. R. John Muench, MS (Chemistry), Associate Professor, Heartland Community College, Normal, Illinois, U.S.A.
   365. Ralph Mullinger, BA (Economics and Philosophy, Rice University), MA (Business Economics, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania), Energy Economist, Findlay, Ohio, U.S.A.
   366. Gregory Murphy, Graduate of the US Naval Nuclear Power Program, Independent Researcher and Assistant Editor of 21st Century Science and Technology Magazine, Leesburg, Virginia, U.S.A.
   367. Jonathan R. Murray, BS (Geology, West Virginia University), Senior Geologist, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   368. Robert E. Murray, PE, B. Eng. (mining engineering, West Virginia University), AMP (Harvard University); Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Pepper Pike, Ohio, U.S.A.
   369. Robert Edward Murray, B Eng. (mining engineering, West Virginia University), MBA (Ohio State University), Vice President, Business Development and External Affairs, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Pepper Pike, Ohio, U.S.A.
   370. Ryan M. Murray, B Eng. (mining engineering, West Virginia University), MBA (Ohio State University); Vice President, Operations, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   371. Warren Nance, MS (Genetics), retired Geneticist, USDA, Gulfport, Mississippi, U.S.A.
   372. Robert Neff, MS (Meteorology, St Louis University), Weather Officer, USAF, Contractor support to NASA Meteorology Satellites, retired, Camp Springs, Maryland, U.S.A.
   373. Thomas Nelson, MSc (Electrical and Electronics Engineering), North Oaks, Minnesota, U.S.A.
   374. John Nicol, BSc (University of Queensland), PhD (James Cook University); Radio Physics and High Resolution Optical Spectroscopy, former Senior Lecturer of Physics at James Cook University, Townsville, Australia; now residing in Brisbane, Australia
   375. Joanne Nova, BSc (Hons, Microbiology, University of Western Australia), Grad Cer. (Sci Comm, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia), Director, ScienceSpeak, Science presenter on TV, radio, and professional conference keynote speaker, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   376. David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   377. Frank O’Callaghan, Bachelor of Engineering, retired, Port McNicoll, Ontario, Canada
   378. Steven James O’Connor, BSc (Geology), C Geol., FGS, professional stratigrapher, Wellington, New Zealand
   379. Peter Oliver, BS, MS, PhD, FGA, Geology, Geochemistry, Paleomagnetism, Research Scientist, retired, Upper Hutt, New Zealand
   380. Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia, Crawley, Australia
   381. Peter Olson, Professional Engineer, Langley, British, Canada
   382. Curtis Osgood, BS (Meteorology, Lyndon State College), Consulting Meteorologist, Forecaster/Consultant, Granby, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   383. Robert Overland, B.A.Sc., Professional Engineer, Principal, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   384. Pat Palmer, MAgrSc (agronomy), pollution control expert (sources and effects on health), retired from Crop Research Division, DSIR, Christchurch, New Zealand
   385. Ron Parker, BA (Physics, University of North Carolina), Flat Rock, North Carolina, U.S.A.
   386. Donald Parkes, PhD, BA (Hons), MA, retired Professor Human Ecology, Australia and Japan
   387. Arthur M. Patterson, BASc, P. Eng. (Geological Engineer), a founder of Friends of Science, Calgary, Canada
   388. John Pawley, Master Applied Science, Professional Engineer, retired, Guelph, Ontario, Canada
   389. Richard Pearson, MSCE, Engineering Consulting, Vice President, Private Company, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, U.S.A.
   390. James A. Peden, Atmospheric Physicist, webmaster Middlebury Networks, Vermont, U.S.A.
   391. Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minnesota, U.S.A
   392. Mark Peters, BS (Computer Science), Principal Software Engineer, Woodland Hills, California, U.S.A.
   393. Ralph Peters, Nuclear engineering, (General Atomics, retired), La Jolla, California, U.S.A.
   394. Adam Peterson, BS (Mechanical Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Platteville), Design Project Engineer, ITW Engineered Fasteners, Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   395. Beverley J. Pfeffer, B.Eng., (Geology), P.Geol, (professional geologist), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   396. Stanley T. Piasecki, BS (Electrical Engineering, Southern Illinois University), Vice President, Operations, OhioAmerican Energy, Inc., Wheeling, West Virginia, U.S.A.
   397. Michael Pizolato, BSc (Computer Science), Information Technology, Allentown, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   398. Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide; Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, The University of Melbourne, Australia
   399. Randy Pochel, geologist (independent), Huntsville, Alabama, U.S.A.
   400. Andy Pollaehne, MS (Geosciences), science teacher, Huntington, Utah, U.S.A.
   401. Gerrit Jan Pompe, BSc (Electronics), RN (Registered Nurse), Macquarrie Hospital, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
   402. Henry Popoff, BS (Civil Engineering), retired, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   403. Michael Porter, Professional Engineer, Principal Consultant, Porter McGuffie, Inc., Lawrence, Kansas, U.S.A.
   404. Daniel Joseph Pounder, BS (Meteorology, University of Oklahoma), MS (Atmospheric Sciences, University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign); Weather Forecasting, Meteorologist, WILL AM/FM/TV, the public broadcasting station of the University of Illinois, Urbana, U.S.A.
   405. John D. Power, BA (Mechanical Engineering), Consulting Engineer, Longview, Washington, U.S.A.
   406. Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology (Sedimentology), University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
   407. Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Professor (retired) Utrecht University, isotope and planetary geology, Past-President Royal Netherlands Society of Geology and Mining, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
   408. Terry Quigley, Master of Information Systems (MIS, Swinburne University), ICT Consultant, Program Management Office, ICT Applications Development and Services Organisation, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
   409. R. Quon, BS (Biochemistry), Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.
   410. Harold H. Ramsey, ME (Stevens Institute of Technology), Guilford, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   411. Don Rathgeber, PhD (Chemical Engineering), retired, Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
   412. Mike Rea, BS, Medicine, Chairman, IDEA Group, Cranfield, Beds, United Kingdom
   413. Jennifer Reeves, MBA, Engineer, Student of Climate Issues, Telecommunications, Network Engineer II, Embarq Corp., Mansfield, Ohio, U.S.A.
   414. George A. Reilly, PhD (Geology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor), Economic Geology, Geochemistry, retired, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
   415. Steven Reilly, BScF, MBA, Energy Industry, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   416. Henriques Renato, PhD, Geology, Auxiliary Professor, University of Minho, Braga, Braga, Portugal
   417. Robert Reynolds, BASc (Engineering), Computer Business, Operations Manager, Oakville, Ontario, Canada
   418. Max Rheese, Executive Director, Australian Environment Foundation, Canberra, Australia
   419. Richard Rhodes, BS (Horticulture), Clifton Heights, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   420. Robert (Bob) Richardson, BSc (Physics, Maths – Sydney University), BE (Civil), Newport, New South Wales, Australia
   421. Rolf Riehm, Dipl.-Ing (natural science and mechanical engineering, Technical University of Darmstadt, Germany), retired, Hettenleidelheim, Germany
   422. Jack Riley, MEng, Communications, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
   423. Christine Roberts, BS (Materials Engineering, Virginia Tech), MBA (University of Chicago Graduate School of Business), Brisbane, Australia
   424. J.A.L. Robertson, B.A., M.A. (Nat.Sci./Physics), F.R.S.C., nuclear-energy consultant, 2005 Education & Communication Award, Canadian Nuclear Society/Canadian Nuclear Association, Deep River, Ontario, Canada
   425. Richard B. Robertson, P. Eng., B. Sc., C.E., Comox, British Columbia, Canada
   426. Jacques Robin, PhD, Computer Science Professor, Universidade Federal de Pernambuco, Recife, Pernambuco, Brazil
   427. Art Robinson, PhD (Chemistry), founder and Professor of Chemistry, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Oregon, U.S.A.
   428. J.T. Rogers, PhD, FCAE, F.C.S.M.E., P.Eng., nuclear engineer, energy analyst, Adjunct Research Professor and Professor Emeritus, Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   429. Steven Rogers, BA (Physics), Austin, Texas, U.S.A.
   430. Robert G. Roper, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A.
   431. Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, Leiden, The Netherlands
   432. Curt Rose, BA, MA (University of Western Ontario), MA, PhD (Clark University), Professor Emeritus, Department of Environmental Studies and Geography, Bishop’s University, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
   433. Robert Roseman, Meteorology & Climatology, TV Meteorologist, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
   434. William Rosenfeld, DDS, periodontist (retired), Charleston, West Virginia, U.S.A.
   435. Kenn Rosin, BS (C.E.), MS, P.Eng., Transportation Engineering, Manager of Transportation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
   436. Gabriel Roth, M.A., B.Sc.(Eng.), M.I.C.E., M.C.I.T., Research Fellow of the Independent Institute, Civil Engineer and Transport Economist, Chevy Chase, Maryland
   437. Kenneth Rundt, PhD, Bio-Technology, Manager, Turku, Finland
   438. Herbert Runkle, BA (Petroleum Engineering, Ohio State U), Civil Engineering, Environmental Science, Division Leader, US Gov., Albuquerque, New Mexico, U.S.A.
   439. Gerry Runolfson, BSC., Chairman, Elkon Products Inc., Concrete Construction, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   440. Michael Ryan, MSc, Computer Science, Redmond, Washington, U.S.A.
   441. Robert Sabo, MD, Nephrology, Med Director McMinnville Dialysis, NRA McMinnville, McMinnville, Tennessee, U.S.A.
   442. Robert W. Sandidge, BS (Electrical Engineering, Western Kentucky University), President and General Manager, KenAmerican Resources, Inc., Central City, Kentucky, U.S.A.
   443. Paul Sandor, BASc, MD, Neuropsychiatry, Associate Professor, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   444. Bamunuarachchi Saranapala, BSc (Engineering), Management Consultant, Sole Trader, Pinner, Middlesex, United Kingdom
   445. Stephen Savoie, BS (Geology) Petroleum Geology, Senior Geologist, Traverse City, Michigan, U.S.A.
   446. Richard Sawyer, BS, Engineering Consultant, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   447. Rob Scagel, MSc (forest microclimate specialist), Principal Consultant – Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
   448. Carl Schaftenaar, BA (Geology, Hope College), MS (Geophysics, Texas A&M University), Great Basin Exploration Consultants Inc., Lakewood, Colorado, U.S.A.
   449. Clive Schaupmeyer, M.Sc., P.Ag. , Coaldale, Alberta, Canada
   450. Tore Scherstén, MD, PhD, Professor of Surgery, University of Gothenburg, member of the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences and previous Secretary General of the Swedish Medical Research Council, Gothenburg, Sweden
   451. Chris Schoneveld, MSc (Structural Geology), PhD (Geology), retired exploration geologist and geophysicist, Australia and France
   452. Bruce Schwoegler, BS (Meteorology and Naval Science, University of Wisconsin-Madison), Chief Technology Officer, MySky Communications Inc, meteorologist, science writer and principal/co-founder of MySky, Lakeville, Massachusetts, U.S.A. .
   453. Malcolm Sedgman, Bachelor of Dental Science (Melbourne), General Dentistry (retired), Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
   454. Tom V. Segalstad, PhD (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
   455. Milos Setek, Meteorologist/Statistician, Senior Scientist, Bureau of Meteorology, Melbourne, Australia
   456. K. Seunarine, BEng, PhD, Biophotonics, Post Doc, University of Dundee, Dundee, Scotland
   457. John Shade, BS (Physics), MS (Atmospheric Physics), MS (Applied Statistics), Industrial Statistics Consultant, GDP, Dunfermline, United Kingdom
   458. Gary Sharp, PhD, Scientific Director, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, California, U.S.A.
   459. Thomas P. Sheahen, PhD (physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology), specialist in energy sciences, notably renewable energy, Oakland, Maryland, U.S.A.
   460. Vedat Shehu, Prof. Dr. Eng., Geologist, Engineering Geology, Tectonics, Geoingineering, Sharon, Massachusetts, U.S.A. and Professor “Geoingineering Research Unit” in Tirana, Albania
   461. Wayne Shepheard, M.Sc., Petroleum Geology, Independent Consultant, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   462. Richard F. Shepherd, ARCS (Mathematics), PhD, DIC (high energy physics), FIMA (numerical analysis), FBCS (director of computing centre, retired), Pembroke, United Kingdom
   463. Geoff Shorten, BS, Laboratory Information, Director, LabWare, Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
   464. Larry Shultis, BS (Chemistry, Mathematics), Number Theory, retired, Fontana, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
   465. Russell W. Shurts, BSc (Engineering Chemistry), MSc (Accounting, University of Colorado), CFO, Colorado Container Corporation (Denver, Colorado), Centennial, Colorado, U.S.A.
   466. Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist and chemist, Cobourg, Ontario, Canada
   467. David Simpson, BS, Mineral Exploration, retired, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
   468. Ronald Skoog, BSCS, MSSE, Computer Science, Santa Rosa, California, U.S.A.
   469. Derek Smith, PhD, former Professor, Engineering Faculty of Queen Mary College, London University, Great Malvern, United Kingdom
   470. L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor in Geography, specialising in Resource Management, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada.
   471. William F. Smyth, Ph.D., Computer Science, Emeritus Professor, McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
   472. Jan-Erik Solheim, Professor of Astrophysics, Institute of Theoretical Astrophysics, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway
   473. Henry Solomon, BA (Computer Science), retired Network Architect, Merrill Lynch, New York, New York, U.S.A.
   474. Raymond John Soper, BSc (Mineral Technology, Otago University), MBA (University of New South Wales), mining engineer (retired), Cammerary, New South Wales, Australia
   475. Oleg G. Sorokhtin, PhD, Director of Ocean Laboratory, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia
   476. Richard Sparks, BS Wildlife Management, MBA, Tree Farmer, Construction Administration, Claims Analyst, Foster, Rhode Island, U.S.A.
   477. Adam Spong, BSc (Biology), BA (Chemistry), Graduate Student Department of Pharmacology (Southern Illinois University School of Medicine), Springfield, Illinois, U.S.A.
   478. T. J. (”Jim”) Sprott, PhD, OBE, MSc, FNZIC, consulting chemist, forensic scientist, Auckland, New Zealand
   479. Darrick Stallings, PE (Petroleum Engineering), Artesia, New Mexico, U.S.A.
   480. Walter Starck, PhD (marine science), marine biologist (specialization in coral reefs and fisheries with 1000 dives from northern Cape York to the Capricorn group), author, photographer, Townsville, Australia
   481. Glen Stedham, BSc; LLB, Lawyer, retired, Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada
   482. Gerhard Stehlik, Dr.rer.nat. Chemist, Industry, Senior Expert, Hanau, Germany
   483. Craig Stevens, BA (Biology), MD, Physician, Salt Lake City, Utah, U.S.A.
   484. Roger Stevens, BA (Physics), Austin, Texas, U.S.A.
   485. William Dale Stevens, BA, MSc. (Neuroscience), PhD (Neuropsychology, University of Toronto); Postdoctoral Research Fellow (Neuroscience, Harvard University), Cambridge, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   486. Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
   487. Robert Stringer, Dip Metallurgy BSC, Research, retired, CSIRO, Yungaburra, Queensland, Australia
   488. John K. Sutherland, PhD (Geology), retired, Health Physicist, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
   489. Frank Szabo, M.Sc. (Earth Science), Geologist, President, CKS Energy Ltd, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   490. Judy Szikora, MSc Computer Science, Software Development, President, Apprisant Technologies Inc., Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   491. Joseph Tamashasky, BSEE, MSEE; Engineer (retired), Lucent Technology, New Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   492. Jose Luis Tapia, economist, Instituto de Libre Empresa (ILE), Lima, Peru
   493. Daryl L Taylor, BS (Physics), M. Ed (Instructional Technology), Science Teacher (Physics), Greenwich High School, NASA Astrophysics Educator Ambassador, PAEMST ‘96, IEOTY ‘03, Greenwich High School, Naugatuck, Connecticut, U.S.A.
   494. Larry Taylor, PhD (Chemistry), West Chester, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
   495. Malcolm Taylor, Dip ES (Climatology and Hydrology specialization), Power Systems Analyst, Otago, New Zealand
   496. Mike W. Taylor, PE (Registered Professional Engineer, Texas, U.S.A.), Principal and Petroleum Engineer, Lone Star Land & Energy, LLC, Highland Village, Texas, U.S.A.
   497. Dean Teja, Degrees in Engineering and Finance, Finance/Taxation, Senior Manager, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   498. Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, Dwingeloo, The Netherlands
   499. Paul Thomas, MASc (Electrical, Mechanical), Aerospace/Fuels Conservation, General Manager, North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   500. Jeremy Thornton, BE (Mech.) – MIPENZ – CPEng – IntPE, Engineering Director, Auckland, New Zealand
   501. Wolfgang Thüne, PhD, Dipl.-Met., Senior Meteorologist and Sociologist, Oppenheim, Germany
   502. Derek Tipp, Councillor, serves on the District Council Environment Review Panel, New Forest, Honours degree in applied chemistry, previously a research chemist and teacher, Hampshire, Southampton, United Kingdom
   503. Greg Toomey, BS, Business Intelligence, Computer Consultant, Skura Corporation, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   504

8. HLP
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:30 am | Permalink

   Oops, these were cut off the last list:

   504. Göran Tullberg, Civilingenjör i Kemi (equivalent to Masters of Chemical Engineering), currently teacher of Environmental Protection Engineering and Organic Chemistry at University in Växjö; Falsterbo, Sweden
   505. James R. Turner, BS (Mining Engineering/Geology, West Virginia University), BS (Computer Engineering), Executive MBA; Director, Financial Services and Information Technology, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Powhatan Point, Ohio, U.S.A.
   506. Stu Turner, PhD (Engineering), BS (Physics), Human Space Flight, Senior Systems Engineer, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
   507. Albert Tuttle, Research Scientist, Re-entry Physics, Team Leader, AVCO Everette Research Lab, retired, Everett, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   508. Paula Tyroler, PhD (Chemical Eng), Metallurgy, retired, Waubaushene, Ontario, Canada
   509. Erwin Unger, BSc (Geology/Geophysics), 35 years Professional Geophysicist, Carseland, Alberta, Canada
   510. Brian G. Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager – Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park, Dept. of Energy, Washington D.C., U.S.A.
   511. Glenn C. Van Bever, Esq., BS (Civil Engineering, University of Kentucky), BS (Mining Engineering, University of Kentucky), Doctorate of Juris (University of Kentucky), General Counsel, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Lexington, Kentucky, U.S.A.
   512. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, Christchurch, New Zealand
   513. Roderick W. Van Koughnet, BS (Geology), MS (Geology (Geophysics), Wright State University), Senior Geoscientist, L&M Petroleum, Wellington, New Zealand
   514. John Van Krimpen, BApp Sci Mathematics (Stats Econometrics and Comp Sci, Queensland University of Technology), Australia.
   515. J.P. van Wolfswinkel, ir. (Mechanical Engineering, Delft University), Bennebroek, The Netherlands
   516. Tony van Wouw, B.Sc. P.Eng. (Electrical Engineering), President, Exotek Systems, Sidney, British Columbia, Canada
   517. Brigitte VanVliet-Lanoe, State Doctorate, Europe, Senior Scientist, CNRS, Plouzane, France
   518. Anna Vayaki, PhD (Physics, University of Ioannina, Greece), Director of Research (retired) High Energy Physics, Nuclear Physics Institute, National Research Center Demokritos, Attiki, Greece, now residing in Athens, Greece
   519. Joseph Velasquez, Environmental Remediation/Regulatory Compliance, Environmental Scientist, Accelerated Waste Solutions, Rigby, Idaho, US.A.
   520. Hans Verbeek, BA (Biology), Delft, The Netherlands
   521. Jack Verduyn, general BA in Science, “40 year student of climate and weather as a commercial pilot”, RCAF and Air Canada, Milton, Ontario, Canada
   522. Gösta Walin, Professor, i oceanografi, Earth Science Center, Göteborg University, Göteborg, Sweden
   523. Gary Walker, BSc (Honors Geology), Calgary, Alberta, Canada
   524. Len Walker, BE, PhD (Cantab), Civil Engineer, civil engineer, Melbourne, Australia
   525. Patricia Walker, BSc Ag, High River, Alberta, Canada
   526. Sergio Wanderley, Computer Science Bacharel, IT, Support Analyst, Unochapeco, Chapeco, SC, Brazil
   527. Stephen Ward, BS (Elec. Eng.), Building Environments, Business Development, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
   528. David P. Washinsky, BS (Mining Engineering, Pennsylvania State University), Honors Degree (Mineral Economics, Rand Afrikaans University), Business Development and Project Engineer, The Ohio Valley Coal Company, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   529. Neil Waterhouse, PhD (Physics, Thermal, Electronic Properties of Materials, Precise Temperature Measurement), retired, National research Council, Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
   530. James Waters, BS (EE), Instrumentation, Founder, Waters Corp, Framingham, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
   531. Thorpe Watson, B.Sc., M.Sc., Ph.D., Metallurgical Engineer, retired, Teck Cominco, Trail, British Columbia, Canada
   532. Tom Watts, B.Sc., MBA, P. Eng, retired, Caledon, Ontario, Canada
   533. David Weatherell, BS (Computer Engineering), MS (Electrical Engineering), senior software engineer, Rochester, New York, U.S.A.
   534. Bob Webster, BS (Mathematics), Systems Analysis & Modeling, retired, Vero Beach, Florida, U.S.A.
   535. Jack Wedel, BS (Geography), Arctic Hydrology, retired, Environment Canada, Keewatin, Ontario, Canada
   536. Garth Wenck, BE, BEcon. BA, Civil Engineering, CEO, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
   537. Eric Westphal, PhD (Physics, California Institute of Technology), Finance, Portfolio Manager Institution, Koch Industries, Houston, Texas, U.S.A.
   538. Forese-Carlo Wezel, Professor of Stratigraphy (global and Mediterranean geology, mass biotic extinctions and paleoclimatology), University of Urbino, Urbino, Italy
   539. William Whitney, PEng (Mechanical Engineering), St. Albert, Alberta, Canada
   540. King Wiemann, AB (Physics), MS (The Pennsylvania State University, Acoustics), Finance, Manager of ICE, BAE Systems Inc, Vestal, New York, U.S.A.
   541. Otto H. Wildgruber, Engineer (electrical), Dormitz, Bavaria, Germany
   542. Chris Wilkins, BS (Agric.), Agronomy, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
   543. Stephan Wilksch, PhD (Professor of Production & Logistics Management, Innovation and Technology Management, FHTW Berlin, University of Applied Sciences), Berlin, Germany
   544. Robert Wille, MS (Computer Science), VP Software Engineering, Footnote.com, Lindon, Utah, U.S.A.
   545. Thomas Smith Williams III, BS (Chemical Engineering, Virginia Tech), Glen Allen, Virginia, U.S.A.
   546. David Willis, MEng (Canterbury, New Zealand), MBA (Massey New Zealand), retired project manager of power station engineering and environmental investigations, Electricity Corporation of New Zealand, Lower Hutt, New Zealand
   547. Art Winckers, MSc (Mining Engineering), Mineral Processing Consultant, North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
   548. Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland
   549. Bruno Wiskel, BSc (Honours Geology), P.Geol., President and CEO Mr. V’s Field & Forest Inc., Colinton, Alberta, Canada
   550. Jason D. Witt, Esq., BS (Mining Engineering), Doctorate of Jurisprudence (West Virginia University), General Counsel, Murray Energy Corporation and Subsidiary Companies, Alledonia, Ohio, U.S.A.
   551. David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Virginia, U.S.A.
   552. Arnold Woodruff, M.Sc.(Atmospheric Physics, U.C.W.Aberystwyth), B.Sc.(Physics, Durham), Terrestrial & Spaceborne Exploration Geophysics, Consultant Geophysicist, Woodruff Exploration & Production Ltd., Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
   553. Peter Wrenshall, MSc (Geography, Meteorology), New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
   554. Chris Yakymyshyn, PhD, MS, BS (EE/Physics), Instrumentation, Vice President Technology, FieldMetrics Inc., Seminole, Florida, U.S.A.
   555. Gary A Young, MS, MBA, Naval Captain (retired), General Manager, Colorado Springs Technology Center of Hewlett Packard (retired), Research Associate, The Independence Institute writing on Energy Policy, Fort Collins, Colorado, U.S.A.
   556. Roger Young, BS, MS, D.I.C. F.G.S., Geophysics, Geophysical Consultant, Bedford, Bedfordshire, United Kingdom
   557. Josef Zboril, MSc. (Chemistry), Board Member, Confederation of Industry, Prague, Czech Republic
   558. A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy

9. Regular
   Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:32 am | Permalink

   Hank,

   You forgot Dr. Kit Chen Sink, Professor of Urban Culinary Delight and Oven Vent Hood Specialist.

   :)

10. Indie
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Not surprisingly HLP again shows his unfounded arrogance and unmatched selfishness by his long boring posts ………………. grow up little man

11. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Dear Indie,

    I was merely trying to be responsive to the request of our good friend, Apophis.

    His posts are generally very juvenile and very seldom contribute much to the overall informatio on the BLOG.

    When he does show an interest in one of my posts I try to humor him.

    When will you contribute anything of interest?

12. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Dear Regular,

    I believe he is on a list of average citizens that support the declaration.

    It’s 437 names long, to be courteous I didn’t post it.

13. Indie
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Revealing your stupidity and arrogance is interesting to more peopple than a list of 580 + names — you know better and choose stupidity …… so you stoop to his level? Shallow —

14. annie_moose
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Impressive list Mr.Price but……

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhmpsUMdTH8

15. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    You’re not gonna believe this website.

    You’ve got to check out their store.

    http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com

16. libdave
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    “HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:43 am | Permalink
    Dear Regular,

    I believe he is on a list of average citizens that support the declaration.

    It’s 437 names long, to be courteous I didn’t post it.”

    Courteous, yea right.Just more scroll over. Someone pass the mouse lube.

17. Chas
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Hey Monkey, is that a spoof, or is that somebody’s idea of “realistic”???

    That is simply unbelievable!! And they walk among us!!

18. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Dear Indie,

    Your criticism would be more credible if it was coherant or, at least consistant.

    “Revealing your stupidity and arrogance is interesting to more peopple than a list of 580 + names — . . . ”

    I’ve read this comment of yours a couple of times and, like the usual drivil from Apophis, it makes no sense. You should work on your composition a little.

    If you wish to be taken seriously you should also be critical of the posts by Apophis. They are seldom more than childish personal attacks.

    His posts are rude and tedious to try and comprehend. His first post today is a perfect example. I guess his point is, The Manhattan Declaration is bogus because I’m a young earth creationist!

    And you call me arrogant and stupid?

    LOL!

19. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change

    “Global warming” is not a global crisis

    We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change,

    Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method;

    Affirming that global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life;

    Recognising that the causes and extent of recently observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed ‘consensus’ among climate experts are false;

    Affirming that attempts by governments to legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage CO2 emission reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing, human suffering;

    Noting that warmer weather is generally less harmful to life on Earth than colder:

    Hereby declare:

    That current plans to restrict anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a dangerous misallocation of intellectual capital and resources that should be dedicated to solving humanity’s real and serious problems.

    That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change.

    That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate.

    That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples.

    That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis.

    Now, therefore, we recommend –

    That world leaders reject the views expressed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as popular, but misguided works such as “An Inconvenient Truth.”

    That all taxes, regulations, and other interventions intended to reduce emissions of CO2 be abandoned forthwith.

    Agreed at New York, 4 March 2008

20. Chas
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    “Revealing your stupidity and arrogance is interesting to more peopple than a list of 580 + names — . . . ”

    HANK — There is nothing gramatically wrong with the above sentence.

    All you responded with is a list of Ad Hominems. As was mentioned, it is just scroll over stuff. Why not try to actually respond to the remarks of the poster??

21. Phantom
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    When the fledgling democracy in Iraq tells us ‘get the hell out’, we will know the bush war was successful (even if we are in hock for a couple of trillion).
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_080706150658

22. parkay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Diana Palmer, the first vice-chairwoman of the Durham County Democratic Party, now joins her political colleague Joy Johnson, the third vice-chairwoman of the party, and Johnson’s spouse, Joseph Craig, in facing charges of satanic torture.
    The thing about witches, when you uncover one, you are likely to uncover a whole coven, like a festering wound.
    - – -

    “There is no reason why principles of shari’a law, or any other religious code, should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of alternative dispute resolution.”
    . . . Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips, in a speech in a London mosque last week
    . . .
    Britain’s top judge has set off a storm after saying that aspects of Islamic law (shari’a) could be employed to deal with family and marital disputes among British Muslims.
    Meanwhile, two British seventh-grade boys were given detention and their classmates forced to miss their scheduled refreshment break when the pair refused to kneel and pray to Allah during a religious studies class.
    There’s more than one way for Muslims to attempt the destruction of a Western society, and the rights of free men along with it.

23. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Good morning Chas.,

    “HANK — There is nothing gramatically wrong with the above sentence.”

    I did not comment on the grammer of the sentence. I merely pointed out that it was drivil and made no sense.

    “Why not try to actually respond to the remarks of the poster??”

    Specifically, what remarks would you like for me to respond to? Which remarks did I not respond to?

24. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    And why has no one responded to Mr. Price’s original post?

25. Political_mama
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Parkay you lie and you know it. Wiccanism is not even remotely the same thing as Satanism. I’m downright appalled that these people were democrats.
    And if you’re thinking I’m Wiccan you’re wrong. I’ve just learned more about them lately.

26. Political_mama
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    And Catholics used to make others eat fish on Friday. You’re JUST THE SAME AS MUSLIMS Parkay. Just the same.

    You expect the law and others to submit to your brand of religions just like they do.

    You are a militant Christian and I see you in the VERY SAME LIGHT.

27. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    There is nothing to be lost and EVERYTHING to be gained by addressing global warming proactively.

    We will be doing so.

    The debate is over.

28. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Good morning Sol,

    cosmos will be here later. It would be interesting if he could show proof of the scientific AGW consensus.

    He, of course, has his letter that 1700 academic grant whores and ‘economists’ signed but they weren’t really ’scientists’!

29. Predestined
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I don’t know, Sol. Because it’s all become scrollover?

    I don’t need Hank or Cosmos or anyone else to tell me the climate is changing. Slowly, over time, indeed, but it IS changing. I’m old enough to be able to see the changes. Whether any of this is caused by us, I don’t know and don’t care. What I do know is that if there is to be a long term future for this earth, something needs to be done.

30. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Mr. Price,

    Should he arrive later, ask him about the drastic PERCENT increase in methane over the last 800,000 years.

    BlueJay,

    The debate is over for those that are lead by their noses. Their talking heads told them what to think and that is what they think. Thank you for proving that point.

31. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    something needs to be done.

    Agreed. Just don’t lie about it and force the change. Alternative energy is now unstoppable. Let it run its course naturally. This cap and trade business is unholy. It will devistate the economy. Therein lies the problem. It is leaking into policy.

32. Predestined
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    P_Mom,

    Parkay can blow it out his wazoo. Frankly, I think it’s funny that he lives his life in fear. The kind of Satanism he talks about is based in Christianity and has nothing to do with witches.

    BTW, Wiccans and witches are not one in the same. Some Wiccans are witches, but not all witches are Wiccan. Some witches are even (gasp) Christian.

33. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    “Chas” asks about christiandomesticdiscipline.com –

    “Hey Monkey, is that a spoof, or is that somebody’s idea of “realistic”???

    That is simply unbelievable!! And they walk among us!!

    I honestly have no idea.

    They seem pretty sincere in pointing out their crotchless pantaloons are “historically correct.”

    Spoof or real?

    I’m not the one to ask.

    I’m still thinking there’s a chance “Nathaniel” is a spoof.

34. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    “Alternative energy is now unstoppable. Let it run its course naturally.”

    No. Can’t afford the delay.

    We tried that in the seventies. Then Ronnie Raygun came along and told us that somewhere in a room full of horse hockey was a pony!

    And largely, we bought into it and kicked the problem down the road thirty years.

35. okobserver
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Predestined
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
    I don’t know, Sol. Because it’s all become scrollover?

    I don’t need Hank or Cosmos or anyone else to tell me the climate is changing. Slowly, over time, indeed, but it IS changing. I’m old enough to be able to see the changes. Whether any of this is caused by us, I don’t know and don’t care. What I do know is that if there is to be a long term future for this earth, something needs to be done.

    ———————-
    If you don’t know if man caused it how do you think we can fix it if indeed it is broke. In the over 20 years Al Gore has been predicting that ‘earth is in the balance’ have you seen a decline in your lifestyle or in the condition of the earth? All I have seen is Gore becoming much richer.

    Yesterday I read one leftwing blogger telling us that Christians should have their free speech rights taken away. I just read BJ telling us that the debate was over as if the left had spoken and that was it. This same blogger advocated yesterday spraypainting graffiti on peoples personal cars as if that were his right.

    Maybe it’s not the condition of the earth we should be concerned about but the condition of man’s mind.

36. okobserver
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    BJ you had Billy Boy in the White House for 8 years after Reagan. What did that do for you? You elected a democratic congress in 06 = what has that done for you?

    You need to look at your own people and stop thinking that all of the problems are the result of the right wing. ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see’.

37. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Can’t afford the delay.

    So exactly how many days are left before the world stops turning?

38. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    “This same blogger advocated yesterday spraypainting graffiti on peoples personal cars as if that were his right.”

    Context germie context.

    The context of the discussion from which you lift PART of a comment of mine was pharmacists who refuse to dispense legal medication.

    Doing so out a religious value judgement?

    I only advocated using the same tactics against such folks that certain Christians use against providers of abortion.

    Another legal service.

    All I said was do unto them as they have done unto you.

39. FilmFan
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Sadly, the Vatican continues its longstanding propenseity for remaining in the dark ages:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/08/women.bishops/index.html

    This is scary: One church’s “relationship” with another is threatened – because of women allowed – not FORCED – to seek the priesthood and/or bishopric.

    Think about that: Women allowed to become leaders – not castrators, not serial killers, not the haters of men, not the hagiography of women…..

    Priests.

    My, my – this is telling. In 1976, shortly after I converted to Catholicism, Pope Paul VI incurred disdain by authoritatively declaring that “women have no natural resemblance to Christ.”

    Que pasa? Ex-squeeze me? What about the biblical passage that states “In Christ, there is no Jew or Gentile, no male or female, no slave or slaveowner” – or words to that effect.

    Allowing both genders to become priests! Oh, what infamy! This g–d-mned world is going to hell in a handbasket now! Perfidy, thy name is woman!

    What would Jesus think, the traditionalists ask. Christ Almighty, I ask myself, what would he think of this world of ours…………….

40. littlejohn
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    My My! Bush has his 28%er,s or is it 23% now? Congress only wished they had it that good!

    ” The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.
    ”

    From

    http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance

41. okobserver
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    BJ you can coat it anyway you want it doesn’t change the substance. You can think of an excuse for whatever you do. All the while you are yelling about how radical the rightwing is.

    Doesn’t hold water.

42. okobserver
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    LJ what the left would like to believe is that the voters love the left and wants them to have complete power – hence they will elect Obama. What they aren’t seeing is that we are all tired of politicians and their broken promises, pie in the sky promises and promises which will undermine the US economy.

    This disapproval poll show the democrats what is happening but they won’t see it for what it is.

43. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    BlueJay tells us the debate is over…

    LOL

    Someone forgot to tell that to Cosmos.

44. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Good morning Mr. Rimel!

    You must have missed this commentary from the other day:

    THE POINTLESS RUSH FOR A CARBON EMISSIONS PLAN

    Assuming – however briefly – that Canada must impose carbon taxes, when would be the best time to do it? Stephane Dion says now. Right now. Yale University economist William Nordhaus says, well, slow down, friend. We have time. Let’s do this thing properly.

    Dr. Nordhaus takes global warming seriously, anticipating that it may well “cast a shadow over the globe for decades, perhaps centuries, to come.” When he says centuries, he means centuries. In his highly sophisticated computer analysis of global warming strategies, he includes the option of doing nothing at all for 250 years – and found that it delivered the same result (measured in global emissions of carbon dioxide one century hence) as the Kyoto Protocol with or without the United States.

    He includes, as well, a 50-year delay and got an intriguing assessment. Implement the right climate change strategy in 2055 and you still get – by 2105 – precisely the same reduction in CO2 that you get with the computer-designed “optimal strategy,” a go-slow, go-frugal approach that begins modestly in the next decade and expands incrementally through the rest of the century.

    In a brilliant analysis of carbon strategies – The Challenge of Global Warming: Economic Models and Environmental Policy, published last year – Dr. Nordhaus observes that the complexity of global warming rules out absolute certainty of any kind, whether academic or ideological. “Whatever goal we set will probably be incorrect.” Given this caution, it is essential to adopt a strategy that can be quickly adapted to changing circumstances and changing technologies, he says.

    Dr. Nordhaus notes that a single technological advance in 2050, or in 2100, could render redundant trillions of prematurely invested dollars. This is one of the reasons why the most aggressive climate change strategies – the celebrated Stern Review proposals, the controversial dictums espoused by Al Gore – badly flunk the Nordhaus computer analysis test.

45. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    So because some stupid anti-abortion people have done stupid things to abortion providers, you advocate others here spray painting cars of Pharmacists who don’t dispense certain products?

    How is that doing unto others as they do to you?

    When was the last time a Pharmacist spray painted someones care?

    You don’t even make sense when you try to.

46. Apophis
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    ……..anything that goes against price and his TALIBAN views is considered “drivil and made (makes)no sense

    Again price, how old is the Earth?

47. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Apophis,

    What views are Taliban?

48. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Apophis

    Again, how many days until the earth burns up?

49. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Apophis,

    I have yet to see you even try to express a view in any rational logical way. (Unless it is a thread about teachers or school)

    All you do is post the same two comments over and over again.

    You are Taliban.
    How old is the Earth?

    That is it. That is all you bring to the discussion for the last year.

50. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    I don’t coat, spin or otherwise alter anything I post here germie.

    If you have a problem with doing unto others as they would do unto you?

    I suggest you take it up with your faith and the followers of same.

51. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    There are people who do evil and wrong things in almost any “group” not just Christians.

    Your entire point is absurd.

52. HLP
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Dear Apophis,

    Is there a point pertinent to the discussion you are trying to make?

    Or are you merely posting to make liberal educators look foolish?

    LOL!

    You continue to make educators look bad. 95% of teachers give the other 5% a bad name!

53. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    I don’t seek reflection in your eyes either Nathan.

54. okobserver
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    BJ I didn’t ask you to coat, spin or change anything. You are the first to jump on others for what they post. I was just returning the favor. If someone has views that are not in line with yours – it doesn’t make them wrong just different.

    The person to address this problem would be the employer or owner of said pharmacy. Government should NEVER be in charge of ordering any retail store to carry stock they don’t want to stock. It might be cost prohibitive to carry something for which they have little demand. Will the gov reimburse them when the unsold stock ages and has to be thrown out.

    Too many leftwing noses in everyone elses business.

55. Apophis
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    ……………………oh, I must have hurt the self esteem of old daddy and BOY price!

    ……….too bad!

    The fact that you two are “christian” Taliban is relevant to ANY discussion.

    The fact that you two believe the Earth is only 8000 years old shows neither of you have any credibility in any discussion even remotely connected to science.

    As to your whiney little comment about “liberal” educators, I take THAT as a compliment. A “conservative educator” is an oxymoron.

    Bring it on!

56. lindainks55
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    I hope you’re still around. I hurried home from the dog walk soppin’ wet!, but alas, I WILL NOT melt.

    I’ve been hoping to catch you and share a website.

    http://www.tokoni.com/index.php
    life is full of stories. tell yours.

    “Tokonians have shared stories that run the gamut. Travel stories like returning a WWII flag to Japan. Health stories like passing of the Restroom Access Act in Illinois, also know as Ally’s Law, and shared by Ally herself. Fun stories like a mother realizing her kindergartner has been trying to spy on his parents with the baby monitor in reverse.”

    I don’t want to lose you and your wit and talent, but wanted to share this site where story tellers share their stories. IF you join and write there, please share how we can follow and enjoy anything you post. ;-)

57. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Apophis,

    Bring what on?

    You continue to demonstrate that you have no ability to have a real discussion.

    How about you “bring it on” by actually trying to have a real discussion instead of parroting the same two things over and over again?

58. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Well I TRY not to attack others their faith.

    I try only to hold them accountable to what it is they say they believe. I also ask them to conserve their application of same away from me and other dis interested parties.

    I can only make of the Price brand of faith what it is they share with us here.

    I don’t find them to be people I would follow out of a fire, let alone into a church.

59. mrcontroversy
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    What, no city manager thread?
    Am I the only one who’s noticed this?

60. Nathaniel
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    You can stay in a fire and burn up all you want to, I will find my way out.

    Shows just how unreasonable and stubborn you are.

61. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    “Too many leftwing noses in everyone elses business.”

    Low hanging, slow speed lob that one.

62. littlejohn
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    “All I said was do unto them as they have done unto you.”

    The gang wars are full of such ideologies.

63. FilmFan
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Oh, here’s a delightful story – another example of religion and prurient morality gone amok:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377044,00.html

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say that’s my own sperm donor/father in the charming pic. Before he croaked on his last Corvoissieur (I probably misspelled that – but what the muck…), he kindly informed my late sister that she’d “better not ever come home” if she ever “got herself” knocked up. He then called her a slut – simply for innocently dating a Hawaiian young man who attended the former St. Joseph’s Military Academy.

    My late sister was only 17 in the fall of 1969. She was not sexually active; she was far more self-confident and assertive than her younger sister; she obviously didn’t buy into the assertion that sexual frustration would ruin a young man for life. (I bought into it – but only because I was madly in love.)

    Anyway – it ain’t only pukewads like the mutant in this pic – and my dead drunk of a daddy – who harbor views like this. My best friend in high school had a father who asked the family priest if he could “kill his daughter” if she ever had premarital sex. (You know, the kind of infamy that Parkay claimed yesterday that all aborting women should be blamed for…)

    The priest replied in the negative, to put it mildly.

    My gawd – if the old man had been alive at the time of my defloration (deflowering?) – WWIII would have broken out in Hays, KS.

    Maybe that’s why no fewer than two anti-abortion activists (one an Episcopalian priest and one a devout Catholic) deemed my subjective guilt “down to zero” as regards my abortion. To be sure, they did not condone it, nor did I ask them to do so.

    But they didn’t deem me sub-human, Parkay. Nor “indecent.”

    People who harbor regret over their abortions don’t need cruelty. During the past two weekends, I sure wouldn’t have wanted to hear, “Filmfan! Now you’re a human! I bet your mother’s vet bills were just AWFUL back in ‘75, weren’t they!”

    It’s weird – we don’t hear of MOTHERS killing their daughters for sexual impropriety. How many men make it to their wedding day with their virginity indisputable?

    I don’t have any empirical evidence on that. But then, I’m not a human being, anyway……………

64. Apophis
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    How old is the Earth marine-BOY?

65. FilmFan
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Hey, thanks Linda! When I have time, I’ll check out that site!

    The prob is – my home PC is still broken, and I only have a few fleeting moments throughout the day to use a computer.

    Perhaps this weekend I can trot on over to the library and check it out! But thanks for the compliments! (Hey, I MUST be human after all! A mangey she-beast couldn’t pull off that s–t, now could it??????)

66. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Apophis

    How many days until the earth burns up?

67. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Wow, who peed in granny’s post toasties today?

    And Mr. C? I noticed, and I also noticed the online edition has the story buried.

    hehehehehheheheh

    You just cant make this city manager stuff up….

68. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Union Dues – Just for Democrats

    Obama Campaign hires SEIU leader Pat Gaspard, funny how the SEIU is endorsing Obama and giving his campaign money. Payoff the Union Leader, then get millions of $$ from Union Dues. Businesses warned to prepare for the worst if Obama is elected.

    Here’s where Union dues go:

    The AFL-CIO has OK’d $53 million to pay for 200,000 union workers to campaign for whichever Democratic candidate wins the nomination. Its affiliated unions have approved another $200 million for the same purpose. The National Education Association — the teachers’ union — will likewise spend $40-50 million, and the Service Workers Union will pony up $100 million for similar use.

    http://www.americanlaundrynews.com/article.cfm?articleID=17890

69. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    AFL-CIO endorses Obama

    http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a12_campaign.6479441jun27,0,960083.story

70. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Pro-Democrat labor unions, which can enlist members to be foot soldiers in the election, are prepared to spend. The AFL-CIO has set aside $53.4 million for the presidential and congressional elections and will deploy more than 250,000 volunteers to get out the vote, spokesman Steve Smith said.

    The SEIU plans to spend $80 million on presidential and congressional elections, Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger said. The union backs Obama.

    (Baby Killers for Obama!)
    Planned Parenthood Action Fund plans a grass-roots and Internet campaign targeting McCain. Its president, Cecile Richards, said the group wants to recruit 1 million volunteers for voter mobilization efforts.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-17-outside-spending_N.htm

71. mrcontroversy
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Just got off the phone with the Obama campaign… ruined my day already.
    Just how did this guy win with so many flamingly clueless people working in his campaign????
    I don’t get it.

72. Apophis
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    ………………….running a little scared MadMax?

    You forgot to mention the other teacher’s union, the American Federation of Teachers. They too have endorsed Obama.

    It’s too bad for your side isn’t it?

73. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    The PAYOFF of SEIU Leadership:

    To best illustrate his distance from Washington, on Wednesday Obama announced he had hired Patrick Gaspard, a leader at the powerful Massachusetts-based Service Employed International Union (SEIU), as his campaign’s political director.
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5giOA8OeCIGZaOxeiLA63Gzi0EqUw

74. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Businesses prepare for attack by Obama:

    CCH® HR MANAGEMENT – 6/25/08 – Employers urged to “brace for aggressive union organizing” as Obama clinches nomination

    http://hr.cch.com/news/hrm/062508a.asp

75. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    The Mad Man in Iran – What Will Obama Do?

    Ahmadinejad: No War With U.S., Israel
    Tuesday, July 08, 2008

    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that he sees no possibility of a war between his country and the United States or Israel.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377695,00.html

76. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    OR, The Mad Man Says, Maybe There Will Be War!

    What Will Obama Do?

    Iran Begins War Game With Warning to U.S., Israel
    Tuesday, July 08, 2008

    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have begun a military exercise and issued a warning that Israel and U.S. naval forces in the Persian Gulf would be prime targets if Iran is attacked.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,377626,00.html

77. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Obama – Unions In His Pocket

    Barack – Bought and Paid For

    Change. Change. Change.

    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed051008a.cfm

    May 10, 2008
    Obama Signals Less Union Oversight
    by Robert B. Bluey
    The Labor Department’s seven-year effort to improve financial reporting and disclosure by unions could come to a screeching halt once President Bush leaves office.

    Sen. Barack Obama’s support for ending federal oversight of the Teamsters is the clearest indication yet of how a Democratic administration would treat labor unions.

    Both Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton wooed the Teamsters in hopes of securing its coveted endorsement. But only Obama went so far as to say that government oversight had “run its course.” The union endorsed Obama in February.

78. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Obama – Unions In His Pocket

    Barack – Bought and Paid For

    Change. Change. Change.

    http://hr.cch.com/news/hrm/062508a.asp

    Speaking via satellite to the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) convention in Puerto Rico, Obama vowed to stand by re-elected SEIU president Andy Stern and union members by ushering in a union-friendly administration, the law firm noted. He also vowed, if elected, to pass the Employee Free Choice Act.

    “Anna Burger, Secretary-Treasurer of the SEIU, predicts that the labor movement will add 1 million members per year if EFCA becomes law,” notes Lotito.

    “The so-called Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) would grant unions certification as soon as they had collected signature cards from half the workers, effectively stripping workers of their right to vote in a government supervised secret ballot election,” Jackson Lewis stated. “EFCA would also impose substantial fines for employers’ mistakes, as well as force first contracts determined by a third party arbitrator, even if the employer and the union both might disagree with the mandated final contract terms.”

    The SEIU, one of the nation’s largest and most powerful unions, has campaigned aggressively in support of EFCA. It plans to spend $75 million on federal and state elections in the current two-year political cycle. According to Jackson Lewis, part of this plan includes aggressively pressuring or punishing political candidates who fail to follow through on pro-union vows after being elected.

79. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Army Vet Seen in Iconic Photo Dies of Overdose

    An Army medic who became famous for being photographed in 2003 carrying an Iraqi child to safety has died at the age of thirty-one after overdosing on a computer cleaner aerosol. Army Specialist Joseph Dwyer had been struggling with post-traumatic stress syndrome. After he returned from Iraq, his marriage fell apart, and he spiraled into substance abuse and depression. In 2005, he shot up his El Paso, Texas apartment and held police at bay for three hours with a 9-mm handgun, believing Iraqis were trying to get in. The March 2003 photo of Dwyer was published around the world and has been described as one of the most iconic images of the US invasion. His mother Maureen Dwyer said, “He loved the picture, don’t get me wrong, but he just couldn’t get over the war. He wasn’t Joseph anymore. Joseph never came home.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/8/headlines

80. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Hank Price posted,

    “67. Vincent Gray, PhD, New Zealand Climate Coalition, expert reviewer for the IPCC, …
    ————–

    cosmos_originally
    Posted July 7, 2008 at 10:27 am
    Hank Price,

    IPCC reviewers are self-selected. Anybody who wants to be a reviewer can be one, by asking to be given drafts of the reports.

    CV OF A DENIER:

    Vincent Gray
    No peer reviewed climate science
    Classification: Coal Researcher
    http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1215
    “Petroleum and Coal
    A search of 22,000 academic journals shows that Gray has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change. Gray has published peer-reviewed scientific work on coal with the last article being published 17 years ago.

    Gray and the NRSP
    Listed as a member of the Scientific Advisory Committee for the Natural Resource Stewardship Project (NRSP), a lobby organization that refuses to disclose it’s funding sources. The NRSP is led by executive director Tom Harris and Dr. Tim Ball. An Oct. 16, 2006 CanWest Global news article on who funds the NRSP, it states that “a confidentiality agreement doesn’t allow him [Tom Harris] to say whether energy companies are funding his group.” ”

    ‘NRSP Peddling Deceptive Statistics About IPCC’
    http://www.desmogblog.com/nrsp-peddling-deceptive-statistics-about-ipcc
    “The IPCC had indeed rejected a lot of comments in this section, but 90 per cent came from a single reviewer: NRSP insider Dr. Vincent Gray, a New Zealand chemist and coal expert who has never published peer-reviewed work on climate science and whose last peer-reviewed publication on any topic appeared 17 years ago.
    And a large number of rejections came because the input was grammatically or logically insensible.”
    ——————–
    cosmos_originally
    Posted July 7, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Hank,

    You also posted the coal chemist last Wednesday.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-630-2/#comment-376204
    ” “IPCC “reviewers” are self-selected — a person can become a “reviewer” by simply requesting to be given a draft copy.

    “Dr” Vincent Gray is a coal chemist. “

81. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Google Ordered to Hand Over YouTube User Info

    A federal judge has ordered Google to turn over information about every user who has ever watched a video on YouTube. The ruling came as part of a lawsuit brought by Viacom over the posting of copyrighted material on YouTube. Google is resisting the request, saying it would allow Viacom to “likely be able to determine the viewing and video uploading habits of YouTube’s users.” The Electronic Frontier Foundation called the judgment “a set-back to privacy rights.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/7/headlines

82. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Report: FARC Paid $20 Million to Release Hostages

    New questions are being raised over the Colombian military’s rescue of kidnapped Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt and fourteen other hostages held by the rebel group FARC. Swiss radio is reporting leaders of the FARC rebel movement were paid $20 million to free the hostages. According to the report, the hostages were actually ransomed for a high price, and the whole rescue operation was a set-up. Colombian officials have denied the report.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/7/headlines

83. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    580 names. cosmo has a problem with one. The whole thing must be bunk now right?

    Keep swinging cosmo.

84. lindainks55
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    This is interesting!

    Former U.S. officials offer plan to revamp War Powers Act

    “Two former secretaries of state have declared the War Powers Resolution of 1973 obsolete and proposed a new system of closer consultation between the White House and Congress before American forces go into battle.”

    “Secretaries of State Warren Christopher and James Baker III oversaw a year-long study of the longstanding tension over war powers between the executive and legislative branches. In a report to be released on Tuesday, they concluded that the 1973 law, which was passed in the waning days of the Vietnam War and which aimed to limit the president’s ability to commit American forces to war unilaterally, never served its intended function and must be replaced.”

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/08/america/09powers.php

85. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB,

    I was just reminding Hank Price that I told him last Wednesday, and yesterday, that Gray was an old coal chemist.

    If Hank can’t remember facts about one person, why should I waste my time on the others?

    You can find Tim Ball and some other deniers here,
    http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1272

    You can find others, like, 79. Craig D. Idso, 80. Sherwood B. Idso, 245. Sherwood B. Idso, here,
    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html

86. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Gray was an old coal chemist.

    Then he should know about the effects of burning coal, no? You have no point.

87. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    N-I-N-E ! The DEMOCRAT CONGRESS rates a N-I-N-E !

    Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for First Time Ever

    Tuesday, July 08, 2008

    The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job.

    WORST CONGRESS EVER!!!

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance

88. mrcontroversy
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Where’s Kelly been lately.
    Wonder how he feels about his brother in law hosting a fund raiser for Pat Roberts?

89. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    “Then he should know about the effects of burning coal, no?”

    No.

    “A search of 22,000 academic journals shows that Gray has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change.”

90. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    “A search of 22,000 academic journals shows that Gray has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change.”

    There you go. Burning coal is not related to climate change.

91. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    From cosmo

    Gray was an old coal chemist.

    And yet cosmo claims Gray does not know the effects of burning caol. Hmmmmmmm

92. Predestined
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    In the over 20 years Al Gore has been predicting that ‘earth is in the balance’ have you seen a decline in your lifestyle or in the condition of the earth?

    Yes and yes.

93. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Russia warns of military response if US-Czech missile defense agreement ratified

    The Associated PressPublished: July 8, 2008

    MOSCOW: Russia’s will be forced to make a military response if the U.S.-Czech missile defense agreement is ratified, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

    The statement came hours after U.S. and Czech officials reached an initial agreement on deploying elements of a missile defense system in the Eastern European country.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/08/europe/EU-Russia-Missile-Defense.php

    WHAT WILL OBAMA DO???

    Nobody knows!

94. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Remember this? Russia cuts off oil to Europe.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6240473.stm

    Russia oil row hits Europe supply
    Monday, 8 January 2007

    Russia has cut oil supplies to Poland, Germany and Ukraine amid a trade row with its neighbour Belarus.

    WHAT WILL OBAMA DO???

    Nobody knows!

95. MaxGrobnik
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    When OIL is cut-off to Europe from Russia, or to the World when Iran blocks the Straits of Hormuz, y’all will forget all about Global Warming.

    You will be BEGGING for more oil.

    Note the 10 mile wide Sea Lanes where $3 Billion in Oil is shipped to the World – EVERYDAY.

    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_strait_of_hormuz_2004.jpg

96. BlueJay
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    “In the over 20 years Al Gore has been predicting that ‘earth is in the balance’ have you seen a decline in your lifestyle or in the condition of the earth?

    Yes and yes.”

    Copy that.

97. ANTI
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay, Do you need a hug?

98. ANTI
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps a cupcake?

99. SolDevVB
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    No need to lie and arm flail about the sky falling. The market will go in the right direction…

    (CNN) — Billionaire oilman T. Boone Pickens is putting his clout behind renewable energy sources like wind power.

    T. Boone Pickens talks about the advantages of wind power on CNN in May.

    1 of 2 The legendary entrepreneur and philanthropist on Tuesday unveiled a new energy plan he says will decrease the United States’ dependency on foreign oil by more than one-third and help shift American energy production toward renewable natural resources.

    “The Pickens Plan” calls for investing in domestic renewable resources such as wind, and switching from oil to natural gas as a transportation fuel.

    In a news conference outlining his proposal, Pickens said his impetus for the plan is the country’s dangerous reliance on foreign oil.

    “Our dependence on imported oil is killing our economy. It is the single biggest problem facing America today,” he said. Watch Pickens discuss plan for wind power »

    “Wind power is … clean, it’s renewable. It’s everything you want. And it’s a stable supply of energy,” Pickens told CNN in May. “It’s unbelievable that we have not done more with wind.”

    Pickens’ company, Mesa Power, recently announced a $2 billion investment as the first step in a multibillion-dollar plan to build the world’s largest wind farm in Pampa, Texas.

    Pickens said Tuesday that if the United States takes advantage of the so-called “wind corridor,” stretching from the Canadian border to West Texas, energy from wind turbines built there could supply 20 percent or more of the nation’s power. He suggested the project could be funded by private investors.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/07/08/pickens.plan/index.html

100. Monkeyhawk
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

     McDonald’s Makes Jesus Cry

     Too funny!

     http://tinyurl.com/6ggtvw

101. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

     Hank Price posted,

     He, of course, has his letter that 1700 academic grant whores and ‘economists’ signed but they weren’t really ’scientists’!
     ————————–

     cosmos_originally Posted June 30, 2008 at 2:13 pm
     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-630-2/#comment-376261

     Hank, you seem to be very “slow”.

     I never stated that “economists” have credibility re the science of climate science.

     (emphasis added)
     ‘Scientists and Economists’ Call to Action ‘
     http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/scientists-and-economists.html
     “The statement is endorsed by more than 1,700 scientists and economists with expertise relevant to our understanding of the scientific and economic dimensions of climate change, its impacts, and solutions.

102. BlueJay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

     Damn that is funny Monkeyhawk. Do ya mind?

     It seems McDonalds has raised the anger of some uber Christian folk. Here is a simple of how some of those folks….rant.

     “The McFaddin Family will vote with our Money and Feet and take our business elsewhere! You can stuff your Happy Gay Meal and Happy Gay Agenda where the Sun don’t Shine!”

     “If the McDonald’s heirarchy thinks we’ll buy their burgers and support deranged homosexual activists who force their lifestyle on innocent children in the public schools, they had better think again. Their burgers now have a smelly odor to them.”

     “You advertise straight to children (Happy Meals). Can anyone say pederasty? This lifestyle’ you embolden is really a deathstyle!”

     “The only thing you’ll be cooking is yourselves, for eternity.”

     “the next thing you know RONALD will be molesting our children. No big macks for this family.”

     “Are you also going to support open activity between man and beast? You are helping to open the door to bestiality, sex with children, plural homosexual marriages and the list goes on!”

     “Dear, McDonald’s. Last week I ate a cheeseburger at your restaurant. If I would’ve known it was created by gay loving hands, I wouldn’t have purchased it. Don’t you guys know gays were behind the holocaust? First Jews, and now the family. What is next, McDonald’s? Are you going to help gays eradicate sand? WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT SAND!?!?”

     PLEASE let the “Rapture” be soon!

103. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

     Thanks for sharing MonkeyHawk. It was funny just like you said.

104. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

     Hank Price, can you answer questions as well as you copy/paste?

     Hank posted,
     “The following 188 Manhattan Declaration endorsers are climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields.
     …
     10. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg, Germany”
     ————–

     Hank later posted,
     “QUALIFIED ENDORSERS NOT AT CONFERENCE
     The following individuals, all well-trained in science and technology or climate change-related economics and policy, have allowed their names to be listed as endorsing the Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change:
     …
     31. Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg, Germany”
     ————–

     Questions for Hank,

     1) Most of the people in list 1 are also in list 2. Why post 2 lists? What is the significance of being at the “conference”?

     2) How is a “Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science” a “climate science specialist or scientist in closely related fields”

     3) Can you defend your “biologist”, by explaining how global CO2 was 400 ppm in the 1940’s, and other recent times? (See graphs)

     ‘More Nonsense about CO2′
     http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php

     ‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’
     http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3
     “It just isn’t possible for the CO2 concentration to change by that much in one year —- the difference corresponds to about 500 billion tons of carbon which is about the same amount of carbon in all plants in the entire world.”

105. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

     More re Hank’s biologist, E. G. Beck,

     http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future/
     http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/amateur-night.html

106. parkay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

     Apophis,
     Regarding yesterday’s comments on the NEA’s promotion of abortion:
     The NEA has for 22 years in a row outlined its position promoting abortion in its own “family planning” Resolution I-13, which states: “The NEA supports family planning, including the right to reproductive freedom.” And according to the NEA’s own literature, “reproductive freedom” includes the right to have an abortion. This same resolution also “urges the implementation of community-operated, school-based family planning clinics that will provide intensive counseling by trained personnel.”
     You may well infer the meaning that the NEA intends to funnel schoolgirls through school clinics into abortion mills, if not to blatantly move abortionist quacks into school clinics, without parental notification or consent for any abortion.
     Notorious criminal abortionist quack George Tiller spoke by NEA invitation at a conference held at the NEA headquarters on March 9, 2008.
     See news page
     http://www.ichoosecharity.org/why/abortion.php
     and page
     http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2007/aug07/pro-lifers.html
     and NEA resolution page
     http://www.nea.org/members/images/MWRLC2007Resolutions.pdf

107. parkay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

     In a pitiful attempt to clarify his remarks last week denouncing mental distress as justification for health exceptions to allow abortions, Obamanation attempted to explain why leftist, baby-hating judges have allowed mental health exception loopholes to nullify most restrictions on post-viable abortions.
     Obamanation remains the most extreme pro-abortion presidential candidate the USofA has ever seen, regardless of how he tries to repaint himself to attract moderates and Independents in November.
     - – -

     Reverend Kevass Harding, a member of the USD 259 Wichita public school board is also a real estate developer, and his development group is getting its fingers into the creation of a TIF district by the Wichita, KS City Council. The school board is required to indicate agreement to the creation of a TIF district by not vetoing it (doing nothing). That way, by doing nothing to get his real estate tax relief, Rev. Harding need not declare his conflict of interest.
     Kevass Harding is pastor of Del Rose United Methodist Church, whose members include infamous abortionist quack Tiller employee Edna Roach. Edna is the one who takes the botched abortion victims to the hospital, and assists with the illegal post-viable abortions.
     - – -

     Hog Futures Hillary’s former OB-GYN and abortionist quack William Harrison, having killed over 20,000 babies for profit, admitted that abortion kills a human soul. He euphemized the language a bit but the effect is chilling when he says that he is doing God’s work in preventing luckless human souls from breathing the air of this world.
     [Actually, babies before birth breathe through their umbilical cord, which transfers oxygen and nutrients from the mother’s blood, although the two circulatory systems do not mix, and often the blood types are different. Meanwhile, the baby controls the pregnancy by causing hormones to flow in the mother’s blood.]
     Abortionist quack Harrison says that enforcing informed consent in abortion mills is “designed solely to increase human suffering” by making mothers feel guilty about contracting the killing of their children.
     - – -

     One UK news story goes that frozen human embryos are producing better babies through IVF. The reason is “positive selection” meaning that freezing and thawing kills the weaker babies.

108. DavidB
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

     “Cut and paste’s” can be abusive rather than helpful… Links exist for a reason..

109. DavidB
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

     http://pickensplan.com/theplan/

     Like it or not.. we are going to get away from dependence on oil..

110. HLP
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

     cosmos! son!

     It ain’t going to happen for you! There’s no political will to do anything!

     Soon, when gas is $10 a gallon, you have to get your ration card punched to pump it and an extra corn tortilla at Chico’s costs you a dollar extra even the dumbest among us will realize the the liberals are nuts!

     Then, it won’t make any difference that the greenies are feeling a little warmer.

111. Pedant
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

     MaxGrobnik
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
     N-I-N-E ! The DEMOCRAT CONGRESS rates a N-I-N-E !

     Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for First Time Ever

     Tuesday, July 08, 2008

     The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job.

     WORST CONGRESS EVER!!!

     http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america
     —

     :lol:

     yeah, the problem with that poll is that the Dems are gonna wipe the Congressional slate come November (both houses according to the GOP) (and to some predictive polls I’ve seen), which if true means that the Dems gotta be above a plurality individually…which in turn means the it’s the GOP and only the GOP with individual approval ratings generally and on average lower’n whale crap in the Marianna Trench. :

     I believe your boys are just about solely responsible for draggin’ things down to that 9%. D

     But. Truth be told it ain’t really your boys responsible for that 9%. I believe this result will be something you can truly blame you know who (after all, take a look at your the polls you cite, you really think it’s the Dems and Clinton or Obama or even Kerry behind that 9%? :wink: )….and I gotta admit that gives me more than a little satisfaction.

     If we can’t have frog marchin’ in DC, at least we’ll get some elephant vamoosin’ come November….but you guys coulda seen far fewer elephants vamoosin’ come November had you pushed for a little more frog marchin’ a handful of years ago.

112. BlueJay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

     Isn’t it beautiful when one problem can bring about 2 solutions?

     We’re going to alter our lifestyles AND we are going to move away from fossil fuels.

     Personal benefit, I get to deny my son getting a car til he’s at least 18.

113. Apophis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

     Sorry Troy Newman, you are just plain LYING about the NEA Resolution pertaining to Family Planning.

     Here is the text:

     I-15 Family Planning

     The National Education Association supports family planning, including the right to reproductive freedom.
     The Association urges the government to give high priority to making available all methods of family planning to women and men unable to take advantage of private facilities.
     The Association also urges the implementation of community-operated, school-based family planning clinics that will provide intensive counseling by trained personnel. (1985, 1986)

     This resolution was adopted as printed to the National Education Association Representative Assembly on July 6, 2008 in Washington, DC. I know this for a fact because I was there as a delegate and I voted to retain the current language.
     Newman, if you want to try to SPIN the language of the resolution, go for it. I don’t see anywhere in the three sentences the word “abortion”. You’re just making inferences.

     Your assertion that the NEA invited Dr. Tiller to speak at a conference is also a lie. The conference you are referring to was NOT an NEA conference. The conference was an independent group who had traditionally been granted space to hold their conference at the NEA headquarters. I wish that had not allowed this to happen, only because it gives fools like you fodder to spin more lies.

114. Apophis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

     “BY the National Education Association Representative Assembly”

115. American
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

     “Missing Link” Is Missing Some Parts

     by Frank Sherwin, M.A.*

     http://www.icr.org/article/3945/

     On the heels of other “missing link” stories comes an Associated Press (AP) report on a “365-million-year-old” fossil uncovered in Latvia. Ventastega curonica is supposedly “the most primitive four-legged creature in Earth’s history.”1 Evolutionists are excited because they believe it is an evolutionary link from fish to tetrapods. However, like virtually all fossil discoveries, this one is incomplete–and an apparent “evolutionary dead-end.”

     The skull, shoulders, and part of the pelvis of this alleged water-dweller were unearthed and described in detail in a June 2008 issue of Nature. However, one should keep in mind that Darwinists “don’t think four-legged creatures are directly evolved from Ventastega.”2 Indeed, much of this news story is speculative. Lead author Per Ahlberg was quoted as saying, “I imagine this is an animal that could haul itself over sand banks without any difficulty.”2 There is an obvious danger in making an imagination-based observation regarding a scientific discovery. Creation scientists would never be forgiven for this kind of assumption.

     University of Chicago biologist Neil Shubin, who was not part of the study, remarked, “Ventastega is the most primitive of these transitional animals, but there are older ones that are oddly more advanced.”1 Is evolution going forwards and backwards? It would seem that evolution is so plastic that there’s nothing this philosophy cannot do.

     Also, why has this been given “transitional” status when it does not have any transitional features, such as a half-fin/half-foot? This is supposedly a key point in “the evolutionary transition from fish to animals that eventually walked on land.”1 A big problem with this assertion is that they found “limbs, not fins!”1 Evolutionists have yet to find a fossil that documents a fish with quasi-feet where their fins used to be.3 Indeed, the author of the AP report admitted, “One question that scientists are trying to figure out is why fish started to develop what would later become legs.”1 That is a good question.

     Another question would be why those fish with transitional “flegs” were not quickly eaten by their more fit fully-finned friends. This is just one more evolutionary roadblock: how could such awkward intermediate stages survive amidst their specialized neighbors? Being at a disadvantage, natural selection would cull out these individuals.

     “Even though Ventastega is likely an evolutionary dead-end, the finding sheds new details on the evolutionary transition from fish to tetrapods,” the AP report stated.2 However, since this extinct creature, being a “dead-end,” was not even in the imagined mammalian lineage, all this finding really does is serve as a platform for evolutionary imagination and provide another opportunity to reiterate evolutionary dogma. The use of words such as “probably,” “likely,” “seem,” “deduce,” and “theorizes” reveals the speculative nature of the reports surrounding this incomplete fossil find.

     The reports also exclude the possibility that there were no evolutionary transitions at all. More than a century of fervent searching has not revealed the hundreds of clear examples of gradually morphing transitional forms that Darwin’s theory predicts.

     What do creation scientists make of the “evolutionary dead-end” Ventastega? We would call it an extinct animal with no half-fins, just fully-formed, functional feet–and therefore, no transitional features and no evidence supporting macroevolution.

     References

     Borenstein, S. Fossil of primitive 4-limbed creature found. Associated Press, June 25, 2008.
     Ahlberg, P. E. et al. 2008. Ventastega curonica and the origin of tetrapod morphology. Nature 453: 1199-1204.
     Sherwin, F. Tiktaalik: Our Ancestor? News. ICR.org. Posted April 11, 2006.
     * Mr. Sherwin is Senior Science Lecturer.

116. Political_mama
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

     Pedant, unfortunately I don’t quite agree. Republicans have brought the country down and the people know it…however, I’d also rank the dems low because they REFUSE to fight back effectively enough.

     Once we do clean their clocks after the election….I do expect to get a WHOLE lot of stuff done.

117. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

     Hank Price’s answers to my questions upthread,
     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-78/#comment-380292

     Are: insulting me, by calling me “son!“.

     Hank proves that he doesn’t know the difference between science and ideology, and make an ad hominem attack,

     “the dumbest among us will realize the the liberals are nuts!”

     Hank ignores the current and predicted warming trend, and thinks(sic) only one group is/will be warmed.

     “that the greenies are feeling a little warmer.”

     Hank Price is a typical AGW denier — confused, misinformed, ignorant, and unable to rationally defend his opinion.

118. Political_mama
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

     Informed consent is fine, but Parkay leaves out all that he wants to be informed. Most doctors when you go into surgery they tell you the basics, the most likely side effects…they don’t go into this long complicated and expensive diatribe that goes far beyond normal ‘informed consent’.

119. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

     #
     Political_mama
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

     Informed consent is fine, but Parkay leaves out all that he wants to be informed. Most doctors when you go into surgery they tell you the basics, the most likely side effects…they don’t go into this long complicated and expensive diatribe that goes far beyond normal ‘informed consent’.
     ————————
     Actually, they do. It’s written on the surgical release and other accompanying forms.

120. Political_mama
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

     The mcdonalds…yeah that’s classic. My gay cousin and his 20 year long ONLY and monogamous relationship with his partner are both execs for McDonalds Europe.

     The ignorance in the responses…sounds like they came directly from inbred West Virginia (who knew they had internet!).

     Wait, yesterday the cons were all saying that businesses had the right to do what they want…if someone thinks you are sinning with birth control pills, we should just thank them and move along. But today, McDonalds hired ‘the gays’ and now THEY want to tell them how to run their business.

121. Political_mama
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

     READ regular READ…that’s what I said.

122. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

     WHY DON’T THE MCCAIN PEOPLE LIKE BUSH? ::

     Librarian with ‘McCain = Bush’ sign charged with trespassing at public campaign event.

     July 7, 2008 5:24 PM

     “Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was in Denver, CO, today for a town hall meeting. The event, at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts, was billed as ‘open to the public.’ Yet Carole Kreck, a 61-year-old librarian carrying a ‘McCain=Bush’ sign, was taken away by police [on orders from McCain's security detail] for trespassing. A police officer told Kreck:
     ‘You have two choices. You can keep your sign here and receive a ticket for trespassing, or you can remove the sign and stay in line and attend this town hall meeting.’
     Kreck received a ticket for trespassing and her court date is July 23.”*.

     Reminiscent of the expulsion of three people from a 2005 George W. Bush event.

123. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

     Why didn’t Hank Price provide a link to the long copy/pastes he posted?

     “Declaration” at 6:09 am
     188 names at 7:23 am
     (most of above names also included below)
     503 names at 7:26 am
     54 names at 7:30 am
     Repost of the “Declaration” at 9:27 am

     Maybe Hank does not want it known that the chairman of his source was connected to an anti-AGW group that was secretly funded by oil?

     R. Timothy Patterson
     “Friend of Science”
     http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1475

     Patterson and the oil-backed “Friends of Science”
     Patterson is listed as a “advisory board member” of a Calgary-based global warming skeptic organization called the “Friends of Science” (FOS). In a January 28, 2007 article in the Toronto Star, the President of the FOS admitted that about one-third of the funding for the FOS is provided by the oil industry.

     In an August, ‘06 Globe and Mail feature, the FOS was exposed as being funded in part by the oil and gas sector and hiding the fact that they were. According to the Globe and Mail, the oil industry money was funnelled through the Calgary Foundation charity, to the University of Calgary and then put into an education trust for the FOS.”

124. Political_mama
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

     Good to know freedom of speech ina town hall meeting only applies to supporters.

     See, McCain really DOES equal Bush.

     And you’re right…why are they so against it, they’re so much alike.

125. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

     #
     Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

     WHY DON’T THE MCCAIN PEOPLE LIKE BUSH? ::

     Librarian with ‘McCain = Bush’ sign charged with trespassing at public campaign event.

     July 7, 2008 5:24 PM

     “Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was in Denver, CO, today for a town hall meeting. The event, at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts, was billed as ‘open to the public.’ Yet Carole Kreck, a 61-year-old librarian carrying a ‘McCain=Bush’ sign, was taken away by police [on orders from McCain’s security detail] for trespassing. A police officer told Kreck:
     ‘You have two choices. You can keep your sign here and receive a ticket for trespassing, or you can remove the sign and stay in line and attend this town hall meeting.’
     Kreck received a ticket for trespassing and her court date is July 23.”*.

     Reminiscent of the expulsion of three people from a 2005 George W. Bush event.
     ——————————-
     Like it or not meetings are affairs where protest is not allowed, it is considered disruptive. If protests were allowed, no meetings could ever take place anywhere under any circumstance.

     So boo hoo for the protestor for being a dumb ass.

126. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

     If it was her sign that had to go why wasn’t it the sign tht was charged with trespassing?

127. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

     #
     lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

     If it was her sign that had to go why wasn’t it the sign tht was charged with trespassing?
     ———————-
     The same reason your car isn’t ticketed for speeding.

128. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

     What was she protesting, that McCain = Bush how is that protest? Are you saying that being like Bush is a bad thing — she wasn’t she was in line to enter — not making a disturbance —– did they assume she was gonna protest?

129. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

     sorry” …. she was in line to enter…..

130. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

     Hank Price’s “Declaration”,

     “Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method;”

     E. G. Beck, who signed Hank’s “Declaration” did not use the “scientific method”.

     http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future
     “So what does the new CO2 “reconstruction” look like? For example, within 15 years CO2 levels rose from about 290ppm (1925) to about 470ppm (1942). Worse, within only 10 years these huge CO2 levels were absorbed again and came back to boring mainstream values of about 300ppm.

     The list of arguments against such variability in the carbon cycle is too long even for a post on RC but here are a few of the main ones:”

     See RC link for arguments.

131. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

     No others with signs were ticketed for tresspassing — why?

     McCain folks jumped the gun —- if she were to become disruptive in any way fine haul her out — don’t assume she was a protester …. geesh 61 y/o librarian — maybe they should a tassed her —- why are they afraid of little 61 y/o woman — typical mindset of the gop —-

132. Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

     Now you got it nailed Indie… its that “mindset” thing — and that’s why they are so potentially dangerous… Can anybody say “thought police”??

133. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

     DENVER — Republican presidential candidate John McCain held a rousing and sometimes raucous town hall meeting on Monday, fending off calls to impeach President Bush …..

     .. sounds like they missed a couple of protesters ….

134. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

     I know Regular. It was a really lame attempt at humor, that came off stupid. sigh

     Didn’t the people escorted out of the bush event seek legal recourse and weren’t they found within their rights? I hope this lady explores her legal options. With any luck someone will help her.

135. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

     If McCain had any class he would call her up, apologize and ask her how he could get her vote — thats what a town meeting is supposed to be all about …

136. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

     If he can’t handle a 61 y/o woman whats he gonna do during his weekly press conferences when Helen Thomas smacks him up side the head with some reality …..

137. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

     IF

     If all the little raindrops
     Were lemondrops and lollipops
     Oh, what a rain that would be!
     Standing outside, with my mouth open wide
     Singing La la la la, la la la,

     If all the little snowflakes
     Were candy bars and milkshakes
     Oh, what a snow that would be!
     Standing outside, with my mouth open wide
     Singing La la la la, la la la,

138. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

     McCain will just call her a c**t and a trollop in public — that’s how he deals with women.

139. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

     Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

     If he can’t handle a 61 y/o woman whats he gonna do during his weekly press conferences when Helen Thomas smacks him up side the head with some reality
     ————————-
     I doubt McCain even saw or knew about here.

     It’s most likely a city ordinance as police officer arrested her.

     Even Helen Thomas knows when to shut up in a conference.

140. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

     here=her

141. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

     #
     lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

     McCain will just call her a c**t and a trollop in public — that’s how he deals with women.
     ———————-
     what the…

     (shakes head)

142. BlueJay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

     Heh

     I bet you if george bush shows up at a McCain event he would get much the same treatment!

143. StevenEDavis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

     “If all the little raindrops
     Were lemondrops and lollipops”

     Linda,

     I know I’ve heard this before, where does it come from?

144. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

     http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/raindrops.htm

     Ya know, Steven, I put myself in “time out” for a crude and unnecessary remark. Only YOU could have tempted me to respond. Now, back to time out or maybe this time to bed. I’m tired.

145. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

     It’s most likely a city ordinance as police officer arrested her.

     reread regular — she wasn’t arrested she was taken away from the event and ticketed at the request of McCains security detail ..

     “…was taken away by police [on orders from McCain’s security detail] for trespassing…..”

     “Yet Carole Kreck, a 61-year-old librarian carrying a ‘McCain=Bush’ sign, was taken away by police [on orders from McCain’s security detail] for trespassing. ”

     McCain couldn’t handle tough questioning — in helen thomases case he’d make some crude statement about how his mother would never …. (fill in the blank)

146. lindainks55
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

     We always sang it in girl scouts. In another lifetime I was a teacher for the local council office — I taught songs and games! Not exactly the talent many of you have, but I do remember some really good camp-fire songs.

     Good night. See you all tomorrow.

147. Indie
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

     The debates will be interesting —- I say keep any sharp objects away from McCain for when Obama upsets him —–…..

148. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 8:42 pm
     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/uranium-not-evidence-of-active-wmds-program/#comment-380387

     “You appear to be a minority of 1 because you can’t defend your false alarmist science.”

     Hank Price,

     Your buddy, multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, seems to be volunteering to help you defend the completely bogus CO2 claims from your biologist, E.G. Beck.

     http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future

     But. . . multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has FAILED to defend Beck many times before.

     And. . . multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ has FAILED to defend his false, anti-AGW nonscientific nonsense.

     So Hank. . . I would not count on multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s help(sic).

     His few science classes, taken long ago, while getting an Industrial Hygiene Engineering degree, aren’t very useful re real climate science.

149. StevenEDavis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

     Thanks, Linda,

     It was either the Barney program or something from girl scouts. My 13 yr old daughter is still involved with the Girl Scouts. I knew it jogged a memory. Thanks again.

150. Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

     “Industrial Hygiene Engineering”

     Would that be the cleaning of urinals in industrial manufacuturing locations?? LOL

151. Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

     Steven — That reminds me….

     I hate you; You hate me;
     I shot Barney happily —
     When the shots rang out,
     Barney hit the floor….

     No more purple Dinosaur!!

     LOL

152. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

     Ignorance is bliss eh Chas? Here is a pretty good definition for you.

     Industrial hygienists are employed by large industrial manufacturers, insurance companies, public health agencies, and consulting firms. Some spend An industrial hygienist conducts a training session in which he informs workers about the dangers of particular chemicals. Most of their time in laboratories, where they analyze air samples, determine the effects of exposure to certain chemicals, or run tests on the reliability of health equipment, such as pacemakers and respirators. These professionals are sometimes called industrial hygiene chemists.

     Other hygienists work on-site, where they confer with plant management, labor organizations, government officials, and in some cases environmental groups to establish health and safety programs that satisfy the different needs of all these groups. Industrial hygienists who specialize in pollution problems may help devise systems for the safe storage or disposal of toxic wastes from an industrial plant. Those with backgrounds in engineering may conduct detailed plant surveys to locate and correct work hazards. These professionals are called industrial hygiene engineers.

     Industrial hygienists keep companies and labor groups informed of federal, state, and local health requirements. They prepare hazard communication sheets and interactive computer software to ensure that workers understand the dangers of the chemicals and equipment they use. Industrial hygienists are sometimes called on to testify at governmental hearings on product safety, working conditions, and environmental pollution. They also may be asked to represent their employers in workers’ compensation hearings.

153. Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

     “…environmental pollution.”

     That would be MAN Made pollution, created in the work place by HUMANS… Anthropogenic pollution of the work place…

     Hmmmmm Earth is also a work place… Guess humans could pollute it as well… And thus, we get AGW!! Thanks for clearing that up James!! :-)

154. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 10:06 pm
     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/uranium-not-evidence-of-active-wmds-program/#comment-380423

     “My certificate for completion of the study was signed by Carter Alexander, PhD, my Division Chief. You can look him up on the Web.”
     ————–

     Is that the same “Carter Alexander”, who used multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s TypePad link,

     http://republikan.typepad.com/environmental_thoughts/2007/04/welcome_to_envi.html

     when he made this really dumb comment at RC?
     http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/08/musings-about-models/#comment-50311

155. StevenEDavis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

     “Industrial hygienists are employed by large industrial manufacturers, insurance companies, public health agencies, and consulting firms.”

     Are you so employed, James? If not, why not?

156. BlueJay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

     That’s what an “industrial hygienist” does James?

     Um

     What do you do?

157. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

     Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

     “…environmental pollution.”

     That would be MAN Made pollution, created in the work place by HUMANS… Anthropogenic pollution of the work place…

     Hmmmmm Earth is also a work place… Guess humans could pollute it as well… And thus, we get AGW!! Thanks for clearing that up James!!
     —————————–
     Not all pollution is man-made. Pollutants depend on the energy, physical, chemical or radiation source and it’s interference or inhibition of an organism of any type.

     CO2 is not a pollutant in my book. It’s part of the Krebb’s cycle all you people who paid attention in biology should know. It’s also part of photosynthesis. It can also generate from natural chemical process.

     Knowing the difference between a LD/50 dose and trace amounts is key to understanding. :)

158. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

     Well all my certifications have lapsed while moving around and some unfortunate incidents occurring. Poor health is the primary reason, but surely as I say that it will be lain open for the compassionate (cough) libs to take advantage of.

159. Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

     :::BIG Sigh:::

     How do you get natural pollution in an industrial setting?? That pollution is MAN made…

     Thus, if planet Earth is also a work place, then it only stands to reason that HUMAN beings cause environmental pollution in the work place of humans — Earth!!

160. StevenEDavis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

     “Industrial hygienists are employed by … public health agencies.”

     Wouldn’t that be pretty “socialist” as your retarded (apologies to those truely disabled) brother Max would say?

161. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

     #
     Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

     :::BIG Sigh:::

     How do you get natural pollution in an industrial setting?? That pollution is MAN made…

     Thus, if planet Earth is also a work place, then it only stands to reason that HUMAN beings cause environmental pollution in the work place of humans — Earth!!
     ——————————
     Encroachment of a natural source is the usual suspect for contamination by natural sources in an industrial setting.

     Water is by far the most common problem. Vector borne diseases to workers, depends on occupation. Toxic plants, infra red dissipation; particles of varying size (microscopic, dust and dirt), etc.

     It’s a complicated world out there.

162. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

     #
     StevenEDavis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

     “Industrial hygienists are employed by … public health agencies.”

     Wouldn’t that be pretty “socialist” as your retarded (apologies to those truely disabled) brother Max would say?
     ————————
     Not really, the Air Force and other services often used them as the Base Scientists because of their broad scientific training. They also performed evaluations on nuclear accidents (never seen one though) called broken arrow, bent spear, etc.

     There are several that are used in Research because they have the knowledge of collecting samples (Air, Water, soil, contaminants) and usually don’t require further training.

     Yes there some that do work in the public health sector. Most are privately employed and do consulting work by contract.

163. StevenEDavis
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

     Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink
     Well all my certifications have lapsed while moving around and some unfortunate incidents occurring.
     *****

     Ask Max, proudman, and others: ‘time to pick yourself up by your bootstraps’, man. Sorry stories do not equal a pass on your responsibilities.

     Or is it, responsibility is the purview of the non-repubs – methinks that just might be your narrative.

164. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

     Just your usual passing attack eh Steven Davis?

     Do you really think anything you write bothers me?

     Or are you just that delusional?

165. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ posted July 8, 2008 at 10:37 pm
     (On uranium thread)

     “Your first link is broken cosmos”
     ————–

     Oooops. . . here’s my “first link”, again.

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted April 13, 2007 at 4:39 pm
     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_12-10/#comment-254414

     “Added a new blog for Environmental things. You can add comments, just read or ignore. You’re(sic) choice.”
     http://republikan.typepad.com/environmental_thoughts/2007/04/welcome_to_envi.html
     ———–

     Is multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ unable to even remember his blog, that he “added” himself? That’s pathetic.

166. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

     I guess cosmos wasn’t satisfied enough getting owned on one thread, he had to try for two threads.

     cosmos, there is no link to that because I own the blog and the blog no longer exists and hasn’t existed for quite some time.

     Now, tuck in your delusional hopes and head off to bed like a good lad.

167. BlueJay
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

     Busted again Jimmy mac.

168. Chas
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

     ???

169. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted April 13, 2007 at 4:39 pm
     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_12-10/#comment-254414

     “Added a new blog for Environmental things. You can add comments, just read or ignore. You’re(sic) choice.”
     http://republikan.typepad.com/environmental_thoughts/2007/04/welcome_to_envi.html

170. Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

     Amazing,

     cosmos keeps linking to an empty Website, that no longer has any content.

     How do I know?

     Because I own the blog he is trying to link to.

171. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

     Hank Price,

     Is “Carter Alexander”, who used multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s TypePad link when he posted at Real Climate, the Carter Alexander, PhD, at NASA?

     If so, perhaps Dr. Carter Alexander can help Hank defend the completely bogus CO2 claims from the biologist, E.G. Beck?

     Or not. . . LOL!

172. WSClark
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink

     What time is that appointment with the publisher tomorrow, McCluer?

     I want to get up early so I can be looking good.

     You might want to consider taking your monthly bath before we meet up, JM, and you might try even using deodorant.

173. WSClark
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:17 am | Permalink

     Sorry, JM, but I have heard that you REALLY, REALLY need a healthy dose of industrial strengthen BO repellent.

174. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:21 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican posted at 10:43 pm

     “CO2 is not a pollutant in my book. It’s part of the Krebb’s(sic) cycle all you people who paid attention in biology should know.”
     ————————-

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican, will now explain the how the Krebs cycle explains the metabolic processes involved in burning HUGE quantities of fossil fuels, that HAD been safely sequestered underground.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican will explain, in very careful detail, the biological metabolic processes of coal-fired plants, internal combustion engines, etc.

     And if multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot explain it, maybe Hank Price can?

     Or Dr. Carter Alexander, at NASA? LOL!

175. StevenEDavis
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:24 am | Permalink

     Regular
     Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink
     Just your usual passing attack eh Steven Davis?

     Do you really think anything you write bothers me?

     Or are you just that delusional?
     *****
     No, James McCluer, Jimmy Bisoni, Republican, Kahn, Kansas, etc., etc. I am pretty sure you are delusional. No proof from me is required, just read this joker’s numerous posts under various nics. This man is not a little crazy, he is seriously nuts! But thanks for adding your contributions, James. QED…

176. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:27 am | Permalink

     WSClark,

     Maybe multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican, can bring his friend, NASA’s Dr. Carter Alexander, to the meeting, as a character reference?

177. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:27 am | Permalink

     Jimmy Bisoni eh? That’s a new one I haven’t seen.

178. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:33 am | Permalink

     Amazing what one can find on the web three decades after it happened. heh

     Here’s an old photo of Dr. Alexander. I guess when he applied to NASA’s program in 1977?

     Not much information on him, some sort of a database on astronauts and cosmonauts.

     http://www.spacefacts.de/bios/candidates/english/alexander_carter.htm

179. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:42 am | Permalink

     Volunteered as a participant in the 8-psi spacesuit study at Brook AFB, TX and participated in development of the AX-5 hard spacesuit at Ames Research Center, Sunnyvale, CA.

     http://www.astronautix.com/astros/puz.htm

     Ah, a blast from the past – ol’ Puz :D One of my old compadres from the 8 PSI study I was on.

180. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:52 am | Permalink

     What year did you do the 8 PSI study??

181. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican, will NOW explain the how the Krebs cycle explains the metabolic processes involved in burning HUGE quantities of fossil fuels, that HAD been safely sequestered underground.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican will explain, in very careful detail, the biological metabolic processes of coal-fired plants, internal combustion engines, etc.

     And if multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot explain it, maybe Hank Price can?

     Or maybe Dr. Carter Alexander, at NASA? LOL!

182. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:03 am | Permalink

     #
     Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 12:52 am | Permalink

     What year did you do the 8 PSI study??
     ——————-
     Well, I did the one at Brooks AFB and didn’t do the follow up at Aames Labs like the others did.

     Started in 1983 and finished my part in early 1984. 83 dollars a month for Hazardous duty pay, heh.

     Then I went on as a flunky assistant to help Ron Holden, et al with the onboard oxygen generating system used in the Air Force inventory on the B1.
     The Navy used the OBOG’s as well, but I believe they did their own independent testing in Pennsylvania at their centrifuge.

183. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink

     Hank Price,

     I realized that I should explain why I’m not wasting my time debunking the TV meteorologists, engineers, et al in your “Declaration”.

     1) You seem 100% unable to understand the HUGE difference between scientific methodology — and “opinions”, “petitions” and “declarations”.

     2) Your AGW deniers will be debunked in the future.

     3) Your opinions are your responsibility. . . AND like you say Hank, “you’re in the book”.

184. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:11 am | Permalink

     cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican, will NOW explain the how the Krebs cycle explains the metabolic processes involved in burning HUGE quantities of fossil fuels, that HAD been safely sequestered underground.
     —————————
     Here you go cosmos, an explanation of the Krebs cycle.

     It’s quite obvious you never learned this or you wouldn’t have made such a ridiculous statement as you did.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle

     cosmos is not a scientist.

185. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:14 am | Permalink

     And your ol’ buddy Puz, who was in the Space Program 1982 – 1990 worked that 8-psi study with you??

     Yet, all that while, Puz was working on….

     “Master of Science in Space Operations from the Air Force Institute of Technology, Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, OH, in 1982. Also completed Air Force Air Command and Staff College in 1984…”

     Right??

     Now, Puz is off working on his MS degree in Dayton, OH; and onward to USAF Air Command/Staff College in 1984….

     And YOU were working on that 8-PSI study down in Texas?? Brooks AFB, TX

     You sure about all that now, right??

     Hmmmm Maybe they had a reverse engineered Transporter Beam installed back then….???

186. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:15 am | Permalink

     Hank Price,

     Is “Carter Alexander”, who used multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s TypePad link when he posted at Real Climate, THE Carter Alexander, PhD, (who worked at NASA in the mid 1980’s)?

     THE same Dr. Carter Alexander, who multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican, knew back in 1983 and 1984?

     If so, perhaps Dr. Carter Alexander can help Hank defend the completely bogus CO2 claims from the biologist, E.G. Beck?

     Or not. . . LOL!

187. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

     http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-78/#comment-380505

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle

188. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:19 am | Permalink

     Go read the link again Chas. I know you won’t but if you want to verify it, you can. I’ll put the text here. Puz wasn’t assigned to Brooks AFB as I recall, forgot exactly where his home station was now. He was sent there TDY (Temporary Duty) as he was an active candidate for the Space and Shuttle program.

     The text in bold, don’t think it gives dates, but with a name like Puz, who can forget. :)

     Re: Craig Puz
     NASA EXPERIENCE: Selected to operate the complex STARLAB ATP experiment aboard the Space Shuttle and received NASA-specific payload specialist training. Interfaced with NASA astronaut crew, NASA centers, experiment developers, and contractors as on-orbit expert for experiment hardware and software. Participated in RC-135 Zero Gravity Aircraft flights to refine Starlab hardware and procedures as well as Neutral Buoyancy Simulator (MSFC), Weightless Environment Training Facility (JSC) payload development simulations, and Rockwell International Shuttle simulations. Trained on the Manned Maneuvering Unit simulator at the Lockheed/Martin training facility outside Denver, CO, and the Remote Manipulator System/Satellite Servicing Simulator at the Grumman Aerospace facility, Bethpage, NY. Volunteered as a participant in the 8-psi spacesuit study at Brook AFB, TX and participated in development of the AX-5 hard spacesuit at Ames Research Center, Sunnyvale, CA.
     http://www.astronautix.com/astros/puz.htm

189. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:29 am | Permalink

     That’s right Chas, 1983-1985 was the length of the study. I don’t know the dates when Puz was there, but do remember him. 1983 most likely as it was the hotbed year (everyone wanted to get in on it)

     Sometimes, the protocol officers for the project wouldn’t call you for several months because they were testing just equipment or biological media and other scientific instrumentation/calibration.

     It was an easy experiment, at least for me. You put on a positive pressure breathing mask and did mild exercise (lifted small weights, turned wrenches and etc) to see if anything physiological would go wrong or right and to get baseline measurements of the human body under said conditions.

     But whatever Chas, I was there, it was another experiment among the tens of thousands that the Air Force had done, I was a very small sliver on a large peg in one instance in time.

190. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:37 am | Permalink

     Oh yeah, it was done in an altitude chamber, commonly referred to as a Hyperbaric Chamber. Not a hypobaric chamber, that simulates diving.

     The section was called, ummm, trying to remember, Aerospace Physiological Training, I think.

     They did altitude tests, had flight simulators and did disorientation medical tests on pilots and flight crew members. Was an important place for pilots to get medical problems sorted out to see if they would remain on flying status.

     The early astronauts went there as well, I think in the Saturn era programs to get examines.

     There is a funny picture that someone drew that hangs on the wall near the centrifuge room called the “Order of the Elephant.” I think it was where the astronauts were lying on a couched seat and took 15g’s. That means 15 times the force of gravity or 15 times your own body weight pressing down on you. Must have been painful . Anyway, I guess if they passed, they got that certificate. :)

191. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:37 am | Permalink

     Well, James, i dont know what his job was at Brooks… But in the years you listed as being there, your ol’ buddy was up in Ohio working on his MS degree at Wright/Patterson…. And then off to the Air Force Air Command and Staff College, in 1984…

     Just thought I would mention that… :-)

192. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:38 am | Permalink

     And the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican doing the 8 PSI study in 1983 and early 1984 makes him a credible climate scientist in 2008? LOL!

193. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:42 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican,

     Please explain, in detail, the biological metabolic processes of coal-fired plants, internal combustion engines, and other sources that produce anthropogenic CO2.

194. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:43 am | Permalink

     Well, I guess thats enough of this for one night..

     Good night; Good luck; God Bless —
     Whatever you conceive God to be!!

     Blessings ALL!!

     So mote it be!

195. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:44 am | Permalink

     Well Chas, I’m lucky you weren’t one of the researchers on the project, as your faulty data might have killed both me and Puz.

     Read it again Chas.

     Master of Science in Space Operations from the Air Force Institute of Technology, Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, OH, in 1982.

     Also completed Air Force Air Command and Staff College in 1984.

     What year is missing Chas?

     How about 1983 Chas?

     Get a grip on reality Chas.

     And, of course Puz wasn’t stationed there, he was TDY. But I already told this to you Chas.

     Do try and pay attention Chas.

196. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:47 am | Permalink

     #
     cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:38 am | Permalink

     And the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican doing the 8 PSI study in 1983 and early 1984 makes him a credible climate scientist in 2008? LOL!
     ———————–
     I just did bring up the OBOG study cosmos.

     But hey, I can understand you not being a scientist or even a person who has a clue about what scientific research is about, you would have great difficulty in understanding what real science looks like when you see it.

     Poor cosmos thinks science comes off the Web, in the form of blogs and magazine articles.

     cosmos is not a scientist.

197. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:49 am | Permalink

     But James, if he completed the Air Force Air Command and Staff College in 1984, he must have been WORKING on that during 1983… eh?? He didnt just waltz in there, and complete it in 1984, without DOING something to complete it… He was also in training for Star Lab and flying a Shuttle, sometime between 1982 – 90…

     And yes, James… I read the entire Link!!

     Dont start your damned spinning now… You have been doing pretty good so far!!

     Good Night!!

198. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:58 am | Permalink

     Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 1:49 am | Permalink

     But James, if he completed the Air Force Air Command and Staff College in 1984, he must have been WORKING on that during 1983… eh?? He didnt just waltz in there, and complete it in 1984, without DOING something to complete it… He was also in training for Star Lab and flying a Shuttle, sometime between 1982 – 90…

     And yes, James… I read the entire Link!!

     Dont start your damned spinning now… You have been doing pretty good so far!!
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     You’re the one spinning Chas, because you don’t have a clue about what you are talking about.

     There are several phases to Air Command and Staff College. They also have distance learning courses where one can take the academics of the course, complete it and be able to enroll into the next phase, when they reach grade (rank.)

     For those type of correspondence courses, one can be a non-resident student anywhere.

     The more challenging aspects of the various phases that involve applying for graduate level credit hours must be done in residence.

     You’re a dufus Chas, admit it. You speak out of your ass more often than not.

199. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:03 am | Permalink

     http://www.kansas.com/news/story/458407.html

     RUSUTSU, Japan – President Bush and leaders of the world’s richest nations pledged Tuesday to “move toward a low-carbon society” by cutting greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2050, the latest step in a long evolution by a president who for years played down the threat of global warming.

200. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:07 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican,

     Thank you, for again confirming that you cannot refute the very strong science that supports AGW.

     All that the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican can do is attack me with false ad hominems.
     ———–

     Hank Price,

     Too bad the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ cannot help you defend the 100% bogus CO2 claims from E. G. Beck.

     And I doubt that the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s “friend”, Dr. Carter Alexander, will help you.

201. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:14 am | Permalink

     cosmos is not a scientist.

     cosmos uses Internet blogs and online magazines to get his science.

     cosmos does not know how scientific research is done because cosmos is not a scientist.

202. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:28 am | Permalink

     James, I am tired of saying this, BUT —-

     If cosmos is not a scientist, PROVE IT!!

     Your “Jimmy one note” on this matter is most annoying!!

203. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:29 am | Permalink

     Industrialized nations forge global climate pact
     BY SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
     New York Times

     “But the emissions reduction goal is extremely weak; the language in the communique is almost meaningless.”

     The White House painted the document as a victory.
     http://www.kansas.com/news/story/458407.html

204. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:32 am | Permalink

     #
     Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:28 am | Permalink

     James, I am tired of saying this, BUT —-

     If cosmos is not a scientist, PROVE IT!!

     Your “Jimmy one note” on this matter is most annoying!!
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     You prove it.

     cosmos has already admitted on this blog that he has take a “few science courses.” To me, that means he is not a scientist.

     Why don’t you ask cosmos directly Chas? He avoids direct questions from everyone else.

     If he avoids answering you or is evasive, then it means he is not a scientist, but another Internet bullshyt artist.

205. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:35 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican,

     Thank you, for again confirming, on July 9, 2008 at 2:14 am, that you cannot refute the very strong science that supports AGW.

     Are the mother and father of multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ PROUD of his lies, and his clueless, very dumb posts on this blog?

206. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:41 am | Permalink

     So cosmos,

     Are you a Scientist?

207. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:42 am | Permalink

     Are you a scientist cosmos?

208. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:42 am | Permalink

     cosmos, are you a scientist?

209. Regular
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:43 am | Permalink

     ARE

     YOU

     A

     SCIENTIST

     cosmos?

210. cosmos_originally
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 2:57 am | Permalink

     Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ aka Republican,

     Thank you, for again confirming that you cannot refute the very strong science that supports AGW.

     And. . . can you hear the multi-nic’d ‘Regular’s mother and father PROUDLY bragging about their son’s lies?

     OUR son LIES about climate science on the WE Blog.

     OUR son LIES about posters.

     OUR son LIES about what caused the New Orleans levees to fail.

     OUR son LIES about the Air Borne missle defense system.

     The multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ represents(sic) the true “Kansas values” of his mother, father, and long Kansas heritage.

211. Chas
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 9:54 am | Permalink

     Can somebody say, M-E-L-T-D-O-W-N ???

     LOL

212. SolDevVB
     Posted July 9, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

     Yeah, cosmo melted down. ROFL LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA