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Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post Published: Friday, October 26, 2007
Vincent Gray has begun a second career as a climate-change activist. His motivation springs from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body that combats global warming by advocating the reduction of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. Dr. Gray has worked relentlessly for the IPCC as an expert reviewer since the early 1990s.
But Dr. Gray isn’t an activist in the cause of enforcing the Kyoto Protocol and realizing the other goals of the worldwide IPCC process. To the contrary, Dr. Gray’s mission, in his new role as cofounder of The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, is to stop the IPCC from spreading climate-change propaganda that undermines the integrity of science.
“The whole process is a swindle,” he states, in large part because the IPCC has a blinkered mandate that excludes natural causes of global warming.
” The Framework Convention on Climate Change (FCCC) 1992 defined ‘climate change’ as changes in climate caused by human interference with atmospheric composition,” he explains. “The task of the IPCC, therefore, has been to accumulate evidence to support this belief that all changes in the climate are caused by human interference with the atmosphere. Studies of natural climate change have largely been used to claim that these are negligible compared with ‘climate change.’ ”
Dr. Gray is one of the 2,000 to 2,500 top scientists from around the world whom the IPCC often cites as forming the basis of its findings. No one has been a more faithful reviewer than Dr. Gray over the years — he has been an IPCC expert almost from the start, and perhaps its most prolific contributor, logging almost 1,900 comments on the IPCC’s final draft of its most recent report alone.
But Dr. Gray, who knows as much about the IPCC’s review processes as anyone, has been troubled by what he sees as an appalling absence of scientific rigour in the IPCC’s review process.
“Right from the beginning, I have had difficulty with this procedure. Penetrating questions often ended without any answer. Comments on the IPCC drafts were rejected without explanation, and attempts to pursue the matter were frustrated indefinitely.
“Over the years, as I have learned more about the data and procedures of the IPCC, I have found increasing opposition by them to providing explanations, until I have been forced to the conclusion that for significant parts of the work of the IPCC, the data collection and scientific methods employed are unsound. Resistance to all efforts to try and discuss or rectify these problems has convinced me that normal scientific procedures are not only rejected by the IPCC, but that this practice is endemic, and was part of the organization from the very beginning.”
Dr. Gray has detailed extensively the areas in which global warming science falls down. One example that this New Zealander provides comes from his region of the globe: “We are told that the sea level is rising and will soon swamp all of our cities. Everybody knows that the Pacific island of Tuvalu is sinking. Al Gore told us that the inhabitants are invading New Zealand because of it.
“Around 1990 it became obvious that the local tide-gauge did not agree — there was no evidence of ’sinking.’ So scientists at Flinders University, Adelaide, were asked to check whether this was true. They set up new, modern, tide-gauges in 12 Pacific islands, including Tuvalu, confident that they would show that all of them are sinking.
“Recently, the whole project was abandoned as there was no sign of a change in sea level at any of the 12 islands for the past 16 years. In 2006, Tuvalu even rose.”
Other expert reviewers at the IPCC, and scientists elsewhere around the globe, share Dr. Gray’s alarm at the conduct of the IPCC. An effort by academics is now underway to reform this UN organization, and have it follow established scientific norms. Dr. Gray was asked to endorse this reform effort, but he refused, saying: “The IPCC is fundamentally corrupt. The only ‘reform’ I could envisage would be its abolition.”
— – Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and the Urban Renaissance Institute.
http://www.urban-renaissance.org
CV OF A DENIER:
Vincent Gray is a graduate of the University of Cambridge, with a PhD in physical chemistry. He has published more than 100 scientific papers and authored the book, The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of ‘Climate Change 2001.’
Dr. Gray has participated in all of the science reviews of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and in 2006 was a visiting scholar at the Beijing Climate Center.
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/
UNFOLDING: ANOTHER FIASCO FOR THE GOP
Anybody following the unfolding Medicare fiasco? You know, where MDs are refusing to serve new Medicare patients? The MDs say that new cuts in Federal reimbursements rates make it unprofitable to take on new Medicare patients.
The House has voted to restore the reimbursement cuts, but Republicans in the Senate are blocking the same vote there. As a result, the cuts went into effect last Tuesday, July 1.
Also, Augustus Stupidus has said he’d veto any legislation restoring the reimbursement cuts. (bet THAT shocked ya! :wink: )
Anybody care to guess why this is happening? :D
Hint: it’s the clearest example I know of illustrating the effect of insurance middlemen on health care prices. The relevant number in the debate is 13%….
By the way, TEXPAC, the Texas Medical Association PAC, has withdrawn its support for Sen. John Cornyn over this.
This has the potential to become a HUGE festering political sinkhole for the GOP, one that can only get worse the longer it’s allowed to go on! (So my guess is that we’ll see the usual per political life under Augustus Stupidus: the GOP will cave on this but only AFTER it’s incurred the maximum political damage!)
Let’s ALL make it a point to search for every tidbit of news (I predict searching will be necessary as there will be a bright and shiny trivial news item keeping MSM busy). Let’s bring it up, share it, not let it get hidden. If it has the potential for being “a HUGE festering political sinkhole for the GOP,” let’s HELP make it so!
We can’t afford any more of bush! McCain has NO new ideas and we must be vigilant to make sure he isn’t elected!
Thought for the day:
“You can’t do great things, only small things with great love”
Mother Theresa
Pedant-
Please provide a link. I have no doubt about what you say, I want to see who is voting how. I’ve long thought that the way to reduce the corruption in medicare is too simply permantly ban the practitioner from medicine at the least, to throwing them in jail for a good number of years. REducing the reimbursement is just stupid. However, it does point out one of the concerns about govvernment sponsored/paid for/provided healthcare.
“Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.”
Good. The Time to start is now.
What I’m finding (to this point) is that before leaving for the July 4th break the issue was blocked in the Senate. In response, ad campaigns by AMA were launched over the holiday urging Senate Republicans to reverse that decision. Looks like the issue will get further attention as they return to work this week.
“Just before the Fourth of July recess, the House passed a bill to prevent the Medicare pay cut by a vote of 355 to 59. In the Senate, Republicans blocked efforts to take up the bill, so the cut took effect on July 1, as required by the formula. But the Bush administration has delayed processing of new claims to give Congress time to come up with a compromise.”
http://tinyurl.com/5syy5q
Here’s a bit more explanation at AMA’s website.
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/6583.html
lj-
Here’s a start.
thehill.com/leading-the-news/senate-democratic-medicare-bill-stymied-2008-06-12.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/health/policy/07medicare.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1215439467-Wp3SKCW78iIFqzTW1TxW8Q
socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2008/06/cornyn-loses-doctors-endorsement.html
This has nothing to do with corruption..although I’m sure it could be spun that way. Instead the GOP argued that the proposed increase would be funded by reimbursement cuts to Medicare Advantage insurance carriers (private insurers). The Senate bill died on a cloture vote.
The AMA bought tv and radio time in markets served by 10 Republic Senators over the holiday weekend, trying to hold some feet to a public fire. I doubt the AMA wants to kill all private insurance companies (hardly), but neither do they want to keep on life support Medicare Advantage plans that are simply not providing the cost cuts they promised.
(btw, WordPress demanded I edit the http links above)
And, here’s how the Senate voted:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00160
Brownback voted to block efforts to take up the bill.
Roberts voted to allow the discussion of the bill to proceed.
Thanks- I will look at all those in depth when I get the chance, including the text of the actual bill. Quick glances reveal, at least if I read it properly, that :
THere would be a net decrease to federal budget
One Harry Reid, senate majority leader and Democrat, voted against the bill for cloture.
In my opinion, it should only only take a simple majority for cloture, and all bills should be voted on. Period. No voting to allow voting. BOTH PARTIES NEED TO QUIT PLAYING GAMES AND DO THE PEOPLES BUSINESS! I am sick of them both!!
Reid voted against cloture only because that bit of procedure allows him to bring the bill up for another vote. And his count was correct: cloture only had 59.
Not sure what you mean by “decrease to federal budget.” If you mean less spending, then yes. It wasn’t revenue neutral, though, since the increase in spending (ie, the original vote to increase reimbursement rates by 10+%) was to be offset by a reduction in spending elsewhere. Namely in the Medicare Advantage reimbursement rate.
My prediction is that the GOP is going to lose on this one. The only question is how bad. If the bill goes forward soon and the reimbursement cuts to Medicare are restored, the GOP will only have egg on its face over stances taken during the Medicare Part D debates. If it goes on to November, though, then the GOP will lose BIG TIME.
sorry, meant to write that “it WAS revenue neutral” despite being a spending increase.
Hank Price,
IPCC reviewers are self-selected. Anybody who wants to be a reviewer can be one, by asking to be given drafts of the reports.
CV OF A DENIER:
Vincent Gray
No peer reviewed climate science
Classification: Coal Researcher
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1215
“Petroleum and Coal
A search of 22,000 academic journals shows that Gray has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change. Gray has published peer-reviewed scientific work on coal with the last article being published 17 years ago.
Gray and the NRSP
Listed as a member of the Scientific Advisory Committee for the Natural Resource Stewardship Project (NRSP), a lobby organization that refuses to disclose it’s funding sources. The NRSP is led by executive director Tom Harris and Dr. Tim Ball. An Oct. 16, 2006 CanWest Global news article on who funds the NRSP, it states that “a confidentiality agreement doesn’t allow him [Tom Harris] to say whether energy companies are funding his group.” ”
‘NRSP Peddling Deceptive Statistics About IPCC’
http://www.desmogblog.com/nrsp-peddling-deceptive-statistics-about-ipcc
“The IPCC had indeed rejected a lot of comments in this section, but 90 per cent came from a single reviewer: NRSP insider Dr. Vincent Gray, a New Zealand chemist and coal expert who has never published peer-reviewed work on climate science and whose last peer-reviewed publication on any topic appeared 17 years ago.
And a large number of rejections came because the input was grammatically or logically insensible.”
And Hank. . .
Thank you, for again proving that you deniers do not have anything credible to refute the AGW consensus.
But the fact remains: Medicare payments can’t go on as they are without tax increases.
beber
Posted July 7, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
But the fact remains: Medicare payments can’t go on as they are without tax increases.
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Not so sure about that. Medicare could conceivably be paid for by drastic spending cuts elsewhere, I think.
For example, do we really need to maintain the US Air Force? In this day of asymmetric warfare against non-state sponsors of large-scale acts of terrorism? Gutting the USAF could probably pay for Medicare long enough to allow the program to survive the baby-boom pig in US demography’s python.
Conceivably paid for, but admittedly not likely.
point taken, pedant: i was assuming all things being equal. However, your idea has merit. We could start training out own suicide bombers, the ultimate “smart” bomb.
Pedant
Posted July 7, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink
beber
Posted July 7, 2008 at 10:32 am | Permalink
But the fact remains: Medicare payments can’t go on as they are without tax increases.
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Not so sure about that. Medicare could conceivably be paid for by drastic spending cuts elsewhere, I think.
For example, do we really need to maintain the US Air Force? In this day of asymmetric warfare against non-state sponsors of large-scale acts of terrorism? Gutting the USAF could probably pay for Medicare long enough to allow the program to survive the baby-boom pig in US demography’s python.
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Yeah, then the U.S. could should ship supplies and personnel overseas by boat just like in WWI and WWII.
Good thinking.
:roll:
Yeah I like it. I just wish it were more conceivable.
By the way, WWI and WWII are apples and oranges to what we face today and in the foreseeable future. The biggest threat to us nowadays are LTA’s.
You don’t need an USAF to counter LTA’s.
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…But how you see the world determines how you will respond, and the administration has greatly inflated the threat, casting it as an existential and imminent danger. As a result, we’ve massively overreacted. Bush and his circle have conceived of the problem as military and urgent when it’s more of a long-term political and cultural problem. The massive expansion of the military budget, the unilateral rush to war in Iraq, the creation of the cumbersome Department of Homeland Security, the new restrictions on visas and travel can all be chalked up to this sense that we are at war. No cost-benefit analysis has been done. John Mueller points out that in response to a total of five deaths from anthrax, the U.S. government has spent $5 billion on new security procedures.
Of course, this is actually what Osama bin Laden hoped for. Despite his current weakness, he has always been an extremely shrewd strategist. In explaining the goal of the 9/11 attacks, he pointed out that they inflicted about $500 billion worth of damage to the American economy and yet cost only $500,000. He was describing an LTA, a leveraged terrorist attack. But by the same token, the 9/11 attacks caused an economic swoon because of their scope, and because they were the first of their kind. Since then, each successive terrorist attack—in Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Turkey, Spain, Britain—has had a much smaller effect on the world economy.
–Fareed Zakaria
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http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/fareed_zakaria/2008/07/true_or_false_we_need_a_wartim.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Good morning cosmos!
Good to see you up bright and early today!
Let’s continue our discussion on water vapor! It represents 95% of the green house gases. CO2 represents such a small part of the remaining green house gases that it is insignificant.
Why does the UN IPCC report, chapter 9, refuse to address it?
Hank,
What is “good” about another morning of your posting lies about climate science?
‘Water vapour: feedback or forcing?’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/04/water-vapour-feedback-or-forcing/
‘Increase In Atmospheric Moisture Tied To Human Activities’
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070918090803.htm
“More water vapor — which is itself a greenhouse gas — amplifies the warming effect of increased atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide. This is what scientists call a “positive feedback.” “
Hank,
re: Water Vapor
It’s because it would be impossible to build a computer climate model that has the relative humidity of all locations at all altitudes that is accurate within 1 percent, less 10 percent.
Relative Humidity has a direct affect how temperature is distributed across a range of distributed climate regions.
Not only do scientists have a small understanding of how RH works on a large scale, they have little clue into how cloud physics in general work in regards to physical and chemical effects of gases and water vapor.
It’s one of the main reasons why probabilities are used in weather and climate predictions, instead of making a definite forecast.
They can never really know the constant changing effects of RH, water vapor and ever changing cloud dynamics of a region, much less the entire planet.
“The atmosphere’s water vapor content has increased by about 0.41 kilograms per square meter (kg/m²) per decade since 1988, and natural variability in climate just can’t explain this moisture change.”
Is there anyone one either side who can explain what is wrong with this quotation from cosmos’ source? If not, shut the phuck up about climate.
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beber
Posted July 7, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink
“The atmosphere’s water vapor content has increased by about 0.41 kilograms per square meter (kg/m²) per decade since 1988, and natural variability in climate just can’t explain this moisture change.”
Is there anyone one either side who can explain what is wrong with this quotation from cosmos’ source? If not, shut the phuck up about climate.
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roflmao!
Yeah, just shut up everyone, the Alarmists can’t get their agenda through.
First of all, the greenhouse gas effect through natural variation is non-linear. That is, in each type of climate region (desert, mountainous, plains and etc.) there can be no set of averaged temperature numbers that would work across the different regions.
Water vapor content studies by Oltmans and Hofmann were only done in one climate region and do not address any other climate region.
To draw any conclusion from this single study is ludicrous.
The study by Santer, et al, doesn’t address multiple climate regions, nor does it address water vapor studies over the largest areas, that is oceans.
Humidity is not only controlled by air temperature but also by the temperature of sea surfaces and tropopause. Since higher water vapour contents are not measured in troposphere in recent decades. NCEP/NCAR-analyses show decrease of relative humidity on different levels and the evidence raised above are just so tiny, that reported changes in most climate regions are insignificant for co2 enthusiasts to make any claim at all.
A careful study of Soden’s work has been disproved.
A quote:
The (IPCC) AR4 Section 3.4 is breathtaking in its misrepresentation of the evidence. It falsely claims are that “the available data do not indicate a detectable trend in upper-tropospheric relative humidity”. While acknowledging variation in the literature, and the contradiction of direct evidence, it goes on to use false assumptions to make obviously false claims. No qualification. It should be noted that Brian Soden (who has published a guest commentary at RealClimate.org), the cited reference for the bogus claim in the passage above, is a lead author on the chapter.
See the downward trend of water vapor here in a chart form.
http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-thermodynamics-of-water-vapor-and-the-ipcc/
False claims from limited data sets appear to be the only consistent theme that the IPCC contributing scientists have in common.
So beber, no we won’t STFU to bad science.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Since you like the uncontrolled CO2 “experiment” that humans are doing to Earth, let’s try another experiment.
Try to increase (or decrease) global water vapor levels.
‘Regular’ will have to do it quickly — in a week or two, the water vapor levels will return to close to the previous level.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 7, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Since you like the uncontrolled CO2 “experiment” that humans are doing to Earth, let’s try another experiment.
Try to increase (or decrease) global water vapor levels.
‘Regular’ will have to do it quickly — in a week or two, the water vapor levels will return to close to the previous level.
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The alarmist and Goracle worshiper has no answer to the bad and incomplete words passed on as ’science’ by his IPCC idolaters.
cosmos is not a scientist.
cosmos does not understand what is wrong with most of the IPCC published theories because they are misrepresentations of science and make false claims drawn from limited studies.
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’,
According to landshape.org . . .
Hank,
You also posted the coal chemist last Wednesday.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-630-2/#comment-376204
” “IPCC “reviewers” are self-selected — a person can become a “reviewer” by simply requesting to be given a draft copy.
“Dr” Vincent Gray is a coal chemist. “
“…(desert, mountainous, plains and etc.)…”
I believe those are more correctly labeled as Geographic regions — not Climate regions… IIRC from Lower level Geography class…
Cosmos, why dont you SEND Regular a form to request a draft copy?? Then he can be a “reviewer” and join the other non-scientists??
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Chas
Posted July 7, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink
“…(desert, mountainous, plains and etc.)…”
I believe those are more correctly labeled as Geographic regions — not Climate regions… IIRC from Lower level Geography class…
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The climate dynamics in and above each of those geographic regions differ greatly – therefore, they are distinct climate regions.
How water vapor reacts to the atmosphere in a desert is much different in regards to rate, dispersion and interactivity than that of a forested region.
Chas,
Multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is very confused about climate science. ‘Regular’ is so confused that he is unable to even recognize that he is confused.
For example, he believes that global CO2 was around 400 ppm in the 1940’s.
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It’ll be a few years before IPCC starts their next report.
More evidence Republicans lie even when they don’t have to, just to keep in practice –
From wonkette.com
As we all know, racist old colostomy bag Jesse Helms bravely died on the patriotic anti-gay July 4 day of American Independence … or did he? Our sources in North Carolina say there’s an insane nursing-home cover-up engineered by the Jesse Helms Center’s goons to make gullible racist Americans believe Helms died and went to Hell in the early hours of July 4, when his rancid body actually expired on the night of July 3!
Sure, you’re an elitist communist and you’re thinking, “Who could possibly give a s#it when Jesse Helms died, except that he should’ve died forty or fifty years ago, when it might’ve made a difference?”
Well, the kind of ignorant white trash who just love Jesse Helms are not having a real good time of things right now. They are poorer than ever, deeper in debt, their jobs were long ago shipped off to China, and they can’t even afford a gallon of gasoline so they can ride their quad in circles around their shack, which is their main recreation after watching NASCAR and eating sixty-packs of Hot Cheetos. Also, a nigrah is about to be president!
As we learned this weekend, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams and Jesus all died on the Fourth of July, proving their Super Patriotism. If Jesse Helms also died on July 4, that would give special comfort to the bitters, while also making slavery retroactively legal again. But this is what we’re hearing from our southern operatives:
“It appears that the little s#it, Helms, might actually have died at 10:30 p.m. on 7/3 and the nursing home faked the records.”
We asked for details, proof, linkage, and about all we’ve learned for sure is that this rumor appeared in the comments of a New York Times post about Helms’ death and then the comments were disappeared, the same way Helms’ right-wing death-squad boyfriends in Latin America disappeared their freedom-loving enemies!
Today, we’re hearing through a “contact” at the Mayview Convalescent Center in Raleigh — where Helms died and spent his last rotten years — that the nursing home deliberately falsified the time of death, probably on orders from the Jesse Helms Center.
If true, this proves that Jesse Helms actually went to Hell on the gay-lesbian-black Marxist July 3 holiday, “Juneteenth.”
I’ve heard they’re expecting a huge turnout for Helms’ funeral. Like they say in Hollywood, “Give the people what they want!”
One can read for themselves about long term co2 measurements. The results of these papers have won several Nobel prizes and are the basis for accurate co2 measurements for many scientific text books.
http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/180_years_accurate_Co2_Chemical_Methods.pdf
Still mighty quiet.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/
“This is an unofficial extract of E-G Beck’s comprehensive draft paper and is…”
Poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is very, very confused about climate science.
Graphs of CO2 data from towers at different heights in North Carolina and Wisconsin. Lower heights show the diurnal changes.
http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccgg/diurnal.html
CO2 measured at Barrow, Mauna Loa, Samoa, and the South Pole. Except for different seasonal variations, the trends are very similar.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
Senator John McCain is pledging once again to balance the budget by the end of his first term in 2013, his advisers said Monday, reverting to an earlier pledge he had abandoned in April when he proposed a series of costly tax cuts for corporations and high earners and said it might take two terms to balance the budget.
It is unclear how Mr. McCain plans to balance the budget, given that fiscal analysts who have examined his economic plans say that his calls to extend the Bush tax cuts while cutting corporate and other taxes would likely increase the deficit.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/mccain-reverts-to-balanced-budget-pledge/?hp
The demented old fool didn’t lie, he just forgot!
Welcome to dreamland.
“‘The atmosphere’s water vapor content has increased by about 0.41 kilograms per square meter (kg/m²) per decade since 1988, and natural variability in climate just can’t explain this moisture change.’
Is there anyone one either side who can explain what is wrong with this quotation from cosmos’ source? If not, shut the phuck up about climate.” — beber
I thought not. A square meter of atmosphere cannot contain anything since it has no volume. I love it how you guys debate climate change, and don’t understand the basic units. This is likely a misprint, or at the least poorly stated. The writer may have meant a unit a meter on a side through the entire column of the atmosphere. Who knows? However, in that case, the column would contain many cubic meters of atmosphere.
“The climate dynamics in and above each of those geographic regions differ greatly – therefore, they are distinct climate regions.” [Regular]
PROVE IT JAMES — LINK!!
“WASHINGTON — Sen. Edward Kennedy is midway through a six-week course of radiation and chemotherapy treatments for brain cancer, and other than some fatigue and sh1tting himself, his wife says he’s doing well.”
BEBER — I think maybe the key word you are having a problem with there is a square meter… My hunch is that should read “cubic meter” which would have the same content as the rest of the atmosphere surrounding it… It is a measurement tool… Think plane geometry, Beber… eh??
beber,
There is nothing wrong with the quotation.
http://disc.gsfc.nasa.gov/techlab/giovanni/G3_manual_parameter_appendix.shtml
“Total Column Water Vapor (microwave)
The total integrated column water vapor burden, with units of kilograms per square meter, estimated with microwave wavelengthe measurements only.
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Total Column Water Vapor
The total integrated column water vapor burden, with units of kilograms per square meter.”
cosmos_originally: Good catch on outing the Coal Industry Shill…
cosmos_originally: Good catch on outing the Coal Industry Shill…
cosmos_originally: Good catch on outing the Coal Industry Shill…
In an e-mail to supporters, the Obama campaign announced this afternoon that the senator will give his acceptance speech Aug. 28 at Invesco Stadium at Mile High in front of 75,000 people.
What could McSame possbily do to top that?
“Gay Incest Gay Cumshots Gay Jock”
mmmmm, gay incest.
“Wait til your father gets home, young man”!
Stay classy, eagle/beacon!
DavidB,
Credit goes to DeSmogBlog.
They’ve got a list of many of the AGW deniers.
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1272
It’s a scientific term beber, but no one expects you or the other non-scientist cosmos, to understand such things.
Watts per square meter is the standard methodology used in measuring radiative forcing.
Pressures are measured by Pascals ( )
Atmospheric pressures are calculated in hectopascals. Millibar is the old term used for pressure measurement.
Pressure expressed in a formula is Force/Area.
Common usage is to determine your tire pressure.
In regards to water vapor, the equation involving the methodology to figure evaporation, expansion and distribution of said, is done in kilgrams per square meter (kg/m2).
One can determine the vapor pressure of free flowing air for example, by plugging in know quantities.
Pressure has a known constant relative to altitude. This is necessary for calculating atmospheric conditions such as water vapor, cloud density and other phenomena.
Analogies is like saying your car tire pressurizes to 32 PSI (pounds per square inch.) Translated that to modern day metric system means about 6.89kPa (6.89 kilo Pascals)multiplied by 32 (one psi equals 6.89kPa.)
Atmosphere at sea level is about 14.7 psi.
It’s why high altitude pilots must wear pressure suits the higher they go in altitude. (pressure of the human body internal fluid dynamics match the sea level pressure but does not as they go up in altitude)
Pressure in regards to altitude and in this instance regarding the measurement of water vapor is done if referenced columns of standard pressure measurements which uses kilgrams per square meter or pascals or millimeters of mercury or PSI or millibars.
There has to be a linear measurement for the existence of volume, otherwise the existence of volumetric measurement becomes meaningless in regards to comparative relationships.
“fleettwood’s” eye, obviously, was attracted to –
“Gay Incest Gay Cumshots Gay Jock”
And added –
“mmmmm, gay incest.
“Wait til your father gets home, young man”!
Actually, in this forum the message would be:
“I’m here waitin’ for you to come, boy.”
Chas,
You cannot expect anything rational from multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ re climate science.
‘Regular’ is so confused, he believes that CO2 was 400 ppm in the 1940’s.
‘More Nonsense about CO2′
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/10/more_nonsense_about_co2.php
‘Hissink, CO2 and conspiracy theories’
http://timlambert.org/2005/01/hissink3
“It just isn’t possible for the CO2 concentration to change by that much in one year —- the difference corresponds to about 500 billion tons of carbon which is about the same amount of carbon in all plants in the entire world.”
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Chas
Posted July 7, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
“The climate dynamics in and above each of those geographic regions differ greatly – therefore, they are distinct climate regions.” [Regular]
PROVE IT JAMES — LINK!!
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You have Google Chas.
Google it and look for atmospheric dynamics above each of the regions you mentioned. You will find they differ greatly.
cosmos resorts to blogs for his sources.
Does cosmos have peer reviewed papers contesting the measurements of co2 of over 20,000 locations over 160 years?
Nope, he doesn’t.
cosmos thinks science comes from blogs,not actual measurements using scientific methods.
Mult-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Thank you for proving my point that you cannot post anything rational re climate science.
Maybe ‘Regular’ cannot post anything rational about anything?
Graphs of CO2 data from towers at different heights in North Carolina and Wisconsin. Lower heights show the diurnal changes.
http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccgg/diurnal.html
CO2 measured at Barrow, Mauna Loa, Samoa, and the South Pole. Except for different seasonal variations, the trends are very similar.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/insitu.html
cosmos once again cannot contest the data, so he posts measurements from other locations at other times which have nothing to do with the data collected over 160 years at 20,000 instances of collection points.
cosmos might as well posted collection samples of sperm for snake farmers. It will still be irrelevant, but so is cosmos’s post of irrelevant and meaningless comparisons.
cosmos is not a scientist.
On a lighter note, we’ve finally after 5 weeks come up with a name for Nikki, our Beardie puppy.
The breeder’s kennel name is Pentangle, so that has to be part of the registered name. We’ve registered her as “Pentangle’s Stand Back”.
That particular song by Stevie Nicks captures the spirit of a Beardie girl!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHlIq319UMc&feature=related
Nikkie is much better for the name. Calling out Pentangle with great frequency might necessitate an enhanced beverage to be imbibed often with liberal application. :)
Mult-nic’d ‘Regular’,
Thank you for again proving my point that you cannot post anything rational re climate science.
cosmos the non-scientist
Thank you again for proving my point that you post irrelevant topics unrelated to what is being discussed and you cannot defend the reactionary collaborations of the climate alarmists who only seek to increase their grant money and not advance science.
We are a country at war — with a host of serious problems to be resolved —– why are we allowingg congress to take the summer off? we pay them a lot, give em lots of bennies —— get them back to washington and dont let em go until their work is done —– dod doesnm’t have a problem extending the tours of soldiers in Iraq —– get back to work
Hey Regular,
Nikki will stil be her ‘call name’. Pentangle’s Stand Back will be her registered name.
The breeder wanted everyone to try and name their dogs ofter songs using the kennel name first.
“Pentangle?”
Isn’t that… Satanic?
“HLP” trains Devil Dogs!
“HLP” must be the Antichrist!
And “Nathaniel” is
SonBoy of Antichrist!We’ve got a graphic novel in the making!
The gullible Sedgwick Count grand jury investigating Tiller’s criminal abortion mill was misled by DA Foulston and her pro-abortion cohorts into believing that the following crimes could not be prosecuted under the Kansas ban on post-viable abortions, which allows exceptions only for substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function caused by continuing a pregnancy a few more weeks until birth:
Five women who were coerced or forced into unwanted late-term abortions by boyfriends or family. All regretted their abortions and suffered mental pain as a result. One woman who had an abortion because she didn’t want to ruin the effects of her “tummy tuck” cosmetic procedure. One woman who had a late-abortion for financial reasons. One woman who went ahead with a late-abortion even though her insurance provider evaluated her condition and determined than an abortion was not medically necessary and therefore denied her coverage. Numerous women who had late-abortions for fetal anomalies. Once instance where a woman who was approved for an abortion at WHCS due to fetal anomaly, changed her mind and gave birth to a perfectly healthy child without adverse affects to her physical or mental health. One instance where a woman who was approved for an abortion on a healthy baby at WHCS changed her mind and later gave birth without any adverse affects to her physical or mental health.
. . .
In fact, DA Foulston personally told the grand jury that Kansas laws restricting post-viable abortions, abortions not tolerated elsewhere, are unenforceable, indicating that any indictments would effectively be discarded, as long as she is DA.
The only justification Tiller and the Sedgwick County DA need for a post-viable abortion is cash-in-advance.
Will Kansas be ruled by the laws enacted by our elected legislators, or by abortionist quacks who bribe and buy up bureaucrats and judges to nullify and discard our laws?
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“The foundation of every freedom and right that we have is that we will be a nation of laws and that government will act to enforce those laws and use its powers to enforce those laws no matter how powerful or wealthy or what cultural reach a criminal defendant has. But if we send a message that political clout and money can buy court rulings and prosecutors then we have struck a blow to the heart of this nation’s promise.”
. . . Johnson County DA Phill Kline
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Legalized abortion, over the last 3 decades, has caused a sharp increase in premarital fornication, and more disregard for the use of contraceptives, since abortion was supposed to cure all the problems caused by such behavior. Many women have refused to commit abortions, finding some human decency in their soul, and illegitimate births have soared. Men no longer feel obligated to marry pregnant women, since abortion was their choice, so without many adoptions or obligated weddings, single-parent families have increased sharply. The disadvantaged children of single mothers have been more likely to become dropouts and criminals.
So, overall, abortion causes a decrease in educational achievements and an increase in crime. Any elimination of unwanted babies through their mangling, dismemberment, poisoning, and beheading is more than offset by the societal and economic disadvantages of the increase in single-parent families.
The NEA is strictly in favor of more abortions and more abortion mill profits, by the way.
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CBS News Monday morning casually dismissed complaints about a teenage California girl paralyzed after a Gardasil injection, as well as numerous complaints about fainting and dizziness, suggesting that no one can prove that Gardasil is responsible, and lots of girls faint from getting a shot, anyway. [But foam at the mouth, too??]
In this blatantly irresponsible reporting spot, there was no mention at all of the 10 deaths that have been attributed to the dangerous vaccine since September, a total of 18 to 20 deaths, 3 dozen life-threatening complications, and 140 serious complications, including 10 fetal deaths due to spontaneous abortions and half a dozen cases of paralyzing Guillain-Barre Syndrome. [I suppose that the FDA and CDC will say that a few young girls will become suddenly paralyzed or fall victim to pancreatitis, anyway.]
Perhaps this news segment was written by Merck & Co., the vaccine’s manufacturer, who has advertised it heavily since being forced to give up pushing for mandatory taxpayer-funded applications of the very expensive and very painful series of injections, given rushed FDA approval after inadequate testing in order to beat a European competitor to market, and complete ignorance of long-term effects, in 2006.
Doctors are not required to report all adverse effects from Gardasil to the blinders-wearing FDA, so the complaints may be underreported.
Next up: injections for young soon-to-be-promiscuous boys that will be carrying HPV infections from girl to girl, placing them at risk for later genital warts and cervical cancer.
The ONLY candidate our City Council interviewed for City manager has backed out! Guess ONE person looked at this situation objectively.
parkay
Posted July 7, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
“The NEA is strictly in favor of more abortions and more abortion mill profits, by the way.”
Do you have ANY proof to this assertion?
Put up or shut up Newman.
Poor multi-nic’d ‘Regular’ is so confused and clueless about climate science, he cannot understand that I refuted Beck’s CO2 claims upthread,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/07/open-thread-77/#comment-379605
So tell us multi-nic’d ‘Regular’, what caused those wild global carbon swings in the the 1940’s, and earlier?
Impress us with your science(sic), ‘Regular’.
Or just do some more wild arm flailing, and ad hominems. LOL!
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/beck-to-the-future/
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/amateur-night.html
You’re confusing pressure with content, Regular.
Cosmos, you have no idea what you are talking about.
“Absolute humidity is the quantity of water in a particular volume of air” — Wikipedia
“Absolute humidity ranges from 0 gram per cubic meter in dry air to 30 grams per cubic meter (0.03 ounce per cubic foot) when the vapour is saturated at 30 °C.
Note Regular, “grams per cubic meter.”
A statement that something contains an additional.42 kg per square meter is nonsense. Without volume you can’t have mass or content. A statement that something has an additional pressure of .42 kg per square meter is correct.
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beber
Posted July 7, 2008 at 6:07 pm | Permalink
You’re confusing pressure with content, Regular.
Cosmos, you have no idea what you are talking about.
“Absolute humidity is the quantity of water in a particular volume of air” — Wikipedia
“Absolute humidity ranges from 0 gram per cubic meter in dry air to 30 grams per cubic meter (0.03 ounce per cubic foot) when the vapour is saturated at 30 °C.
Note Regular, “grams per cubic meter.”
A statement that something contains an additional.42 kg per square meter is nonsense. Without volume you can’t have mass or content. A statement that something has an additional pressure of .42 kg per square meter is correct.
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Then pounds per square inch when inflating a tire is nonsense. :)
I don’t think I’m the one confused here beber.
I was also on an 8PSI Study funded by NASA which took place in an altitude chamber. It was the pressure experimented with to determine what PSI the ’space suits’ that the shuttle mission specialists would be wearing while in space.
But NASA is probably wrong too when it refers to atmospheric pressure eh beber? :)
No it’s not; it’s the pressure exerted against the inner surface of the tire; it has nothing to do with the mass of air inside the tire. If it did, a lawnmower tire would have as much air in it as a tractor tire, given the same pressure.
Actually, a bike tire typically utilizes more pressure (in psi) than a car tire. :)
“Google it and look for atmospheric dynamics above each of the regions you mentioned. You will find they differ greatly.” [Regular]
Not gonna Google it, dumbkopf… YOU made the claim… YOU prove it!! I am not playing your silly game anymore… You dont run this Blog, and I am fed up with your lousy attempts to constantly disrupt even the simplest of conversations… So, go fly a kite!! (in a thuderstorm)
beber,
Are you claiming that a 1 meter square vertical column, extending from Earth’s surface thru the atmosphere, is not a “volume”?
If so, please tell me what it is.
“Are you claiming that a 1 meter square vertical column, extending from Earth’s surface thru the atmosphere, is not a “volume”?” — cosmos
Of course not. I said so basically in my first post. I know what you are getting at. That in a column of air one meter square through the atmosphere an increase in pressure of .42 kg = an increase in content of .42 kg of water in the entire column.
However: from the Wikipedia:
“At the same temperature, a column of dry air will be denser or heavier than a column of air containing any water vapor”
Thus the more water there is in the air, the less atmospheric pressure. Can you see now that something has to be mis-stated in your quotation. An increase in pressure (kg per meter square) means a decrease in actual water in the air. (grams per cubic meter)
More than likely, whatever the statement meant, it has nothing to do whatsoever with atmospheric pressure anyway. However no matter how you slice it, a measurement with out volume can not contain anything.
Just got the word on how it went, but the youngest said he would make his first jump today. And training is boring and he is sore. Somehow the thought of airborne being boring is odd to me. He said his first landing was soft but the second one he landed hard.
I told him the sign of insanity is jumping out of a perfectly good air Plane! My son the airborne!
Two more jumps tomorrow and then Wednesday a night jump, funny the boy did not seem insane but then he is my son it may have rubbed off.
Thanks for sharing, dog! You sound happy and rightfully proud when you’ve just heard from him. ;-) It does sound like the nut didn’t fall too far from the tree and I know how strong and stable that tree is! Thinking the best of thoughts — for ALL of you!
Scared to death by damn proud of him, jumped from 1250 feet. I use to work at an air port and know that that is not that high!
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beber
Posted July 7, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink
More than likely, whatever the statement meant, it has nothing to do whatsoever with atmospheric pressure anyway. However no matter how you slice it, a measurement with out volume can not contain anything.
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Here you go, put in 32 for PSI, which is standard tire pressure for a lot of American car tires and see the results expressed in different units. :)
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-pressureunits.htm
We can all stop speculating on one potential VP choice.
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Breaking news: Now, Jim Webb takes himself off Obama’s VP list
Jim Webb, the Virginia senator and former Republican who packs his own heat most places, has withdrawn himself from consideration as Barack Obama’s Democratic vice presidential running mate.
In a statement released moments ago, Webb said: “Last week I communicated to Senator Obama and his presidential campaign my firm intention to remain in the United States Senate, where I believe I am best equipped to serve the people of Virginia and this country.”
“Under no circumstances will I be a candidate for Vice President.”
Webb also promised to campaign hard for the Democratic presidential ticket this fall.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/07/jim-webb.html
If Nathan is around, I need some Marine info. If he isn’t, anyone who is familiar can answer.
What is the average or typical enlistement time for the Marines? (U.S. Marine Corp)
Does that time include boot camp/basic training?
Is boot camp/basic training 13 weeks?
Would the above information have been the same 20 years ago?
TIA I couldn’t find the answers I needed online and calling a recruiter might result in getting me signed up. :O
I see HLP is still desperately trying to prove something he doesn’t believe in is not something that’s real.
HLP is a wacky nutcase.
I wonder if he’s managed to find someone to kill with his concealed weapon.
Good luck HLP, perhaps tomorrow you’ll get lucky!
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Predestined
Posted July 7, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink
If Nathan is around, I need some Marine info. If he isn’t, anyone who is familiar can answer.
What is the average or typical enlistement time for the Marines? (U.S. Marine Corp)
Does that time include boot camp/basic training?
Is boot camp/basic training 13 weeks?
Would the above information have been the same 20 years ago?
TIA I couldn’t find the answers I needed online and calling a recruiter might result in getting me signed up. :O
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13 weeks sounds about right.
Back in the Nam days, I think they were pushing cannon fodder through at 9 weeks. Not sure about 20 years ago.
I think enlistment time is dependent on your career field as an enlisted. The more technical it is (the longer the tech school) the longer the enlistment is. Some schools that are highly technical, can be 18 to 24 months long with lots of post tech school training. (NUKIES in Navy have long tech schools)
Used to be 3 year enlistment for Marines, I think and 2 years, back in the Nam era.
Could be wrong, memory is fuzzy and decades have passed. :)
Check this out from Wonkette!
Thomas Jefferson invented July 4, by writing the Declaration of Independence for “Independence Day,” and later writing the Constitution, and then patriotically dropping dead on July 4. This is why George W. Bush went to Jefferson’s famous slave brothel, Monticello, to read a July 4 speech that quoted Jefferson except for the part of the quote where Jefferson said Christians were idiots.
Here’s what Bush tried to read while everybody heckled him:
On the 50th anniversary of America’s independence, Thomas Jefferson passed away. But before leaving this world, he explained that the principles of the Declaration of Independence were universal. In one of the final letters of his life, he wrote, “May it be to the world, what I believe it will be — to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all — the Signal of arousing men to burst the chains, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government.”
Shrub left out the best part!
The actual letter says this:
May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government.</i?
Predestined,
“What is the average or typical enlistement time for the Marines? (U.S. Marine Corp)”
It is 8 years for the initial enlistment contract for all branches. Most often that is 4 years active and 4 years in the IRR. In a more technical MOS where school can be a year long, the time active would be 5 years and 3 inactive.
For reserves it is 6 in the SMCR and 2 in the IRR.
“Does that time include boot camp/basic training?”
That time starts the moment you sign your contract. The day you set foot at boot camp is the day your active time starts. The day you sign your contract your IRR time starts.
So if you sign your contract and don’t go to boot camp for X amount of time, then X will be subtracted from your IRR time after your active service.
“Is boot camp/basic training 13 weeks?”
For the Marines yes. Then you have 2-3 weeks of Marine Combat Training after that. Then you have your MOS school.
“Would the above information have been the same 20 years ago?”
To my knowledge, yes.
Thanks, Regular and Nathan. I appreciate you both answering.
Mr. Limbaugh, please dispel the ugly pedophilia rumors once & for all.
As you know Mr. Limbaugh, there are several liberal wacko websites that have nothing better to do than spread ugly rumors about you. I know that no one is perfect, I too once had problems with pain medications, and I’ve had a few skeletons in my closet, just like you do, but please, address these ugly rumors that you go to the Dominican Republic and elsewhere to go on ‘child sex’ tours, and that you were stopped coming back to the U.S. with a suitcase full of viagra.
I feel that if you simply address the ugly smear campaign leveled at you by the liberals, it will stop immediately, once the truth is finally told and the lies challenged.
The internet is a wonderful tool for spreading the message of compassionate conservatism and safety from terrorism, but the awful liberals are using it to spread lies and propaganda, so please, don’t let them get away with it Mr. Limbaugh, look them straight in the face and tell them in no uncertain terms, ‘I ABSOLUTELY DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THOSE CHILDREN’, and I’m sure the ugly rumor mill will shut down, and we can concentrate on conquering the world for the God fearing republicans.
Please Rush, only YOU can stop these nasty lies and smears, only YOU can put the liberal liars in their places, so do it, and do it quick, cause irreparable harm is being done to your stellar reputation.
Just say it Rush, just say it, “I did NOT have sex with those children”
This is a most interesting site — :-)
http://www.chasclifton.com/blogger.html
A long Monday…. So….
Good night; good luck; God bless —
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
Oh, I see….
So, women who commit abortions have no human decency.
My ex was plethorically promiscuous before January 1973; yet somehow, some way, Roe V. Wade is solely responsible for his moral delinquencies. Are those Supremes responsible for the nearly-34-old child, now residing in Indiana, for whom this pig has taken no responsibility, financially or otherwise?
Okay, just what in the #$%% WAS I back in 1975? I THINK I was human; I certainly didn’t look bovine at 6 feet and 120 pounds.
Gee thanks, Parkay.
You’re a real prince.
Gosh, Film Fan, your posts are most interesting even when you’re flaming mad!! You keep it up, girl!! Love your style!!
Chas, I’m trying to exude some restraint (Christian or otherwise) this fine morning.
Parkie and certain other right-to-life activists aren’t all bad. They aren’t ALWAYS offensive. The world doesn’t begin and end with Big Bertha here…..But…………….
Between Margarine Messiah’s post above – and the bombast and overweening arrogance that befouled the Pharmacy blog, there’s steam comin’ out me pores.
But I’m tryin’ to be good…..I really and truly am…..
‘Cause when I’m bad…..I’m oh, so bad……